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Game 122 game thread: Aug 20, 2006

Woody_guthrie_tiny by Valatan on in News Comment 401 comments


suppan             zambronhead
9-7, 5.00        13-5, 3.37

That was a satisfying game, as is any game where the Cardinals drop the hammer on the Cubs.  When I turned yesterday's game on, the score was 4-3, and I was nervously waiting my way through a tense pitchers' duel.  By the time we were done with the little wild ride, it was a rediculous blowout, but this time, one that did not leave me feeling empty inside after watching Marquis surrender 5 HR.

This effective start (if a 5.4 game ERA is effective) probably also guarantees that we're going to see yet more of Jason Marquis, while Anthony Reyes will get more of a chance to become aquainted with the attractions in Memphis.  Perhaps it was just a saavy move on the part of Jocketty based on Marquis' lack of options and Reyes pending super-2 status.  I can give a break to the brain trust if that's the case.  If it's some sort of irrational reaction to 'veteran' players or to Reyes' ineffectiveness, then my rage has no bound.

As far as our little cypher Jason, I looked up a cute little split for him that I don't think anyone else has looked at before for Marquis:

ERA K/9
Jason gets
on base		 4.44 4.60
Jason doesn't
reach		 6.45 4.20

However, given the progress in St. Louis music since 1987, combined with the wonderfulness of the 2004-05 teams, and the frustrating, but still division-winning nature of this years' team, I propose that this particular song is a much, much more fitting choice for an official 2006 Cardinals' anthem.

Because we've been in a deep rut.  

And it's been killing me

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I don't think Zambrano...
...has hit one of our guys this year.  He's way overdue.  

Any guesses on whom it will be?  

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I THOROUGHLY enjoyed
yesterday's game... during the pivotal third inning, I was inspired to (once again) recite my oft-used mantra, "Yep... they're still the Cubs!"

There are plenty of storm clouds on the horizon, however... the Cards will most likely be two men short today, with Eckstein definately out and Edmonds likely out.  As noted elsewhere in the threads here, post-concussion syndrome is an utterly debilitating injury.  The worst part is that exercise can make it worse!  Until Jimmy Baseball is able to feel good, go through a workout, and feel good again the next day, he won't be able to play.

Juancion is an adequate centerfielder, but the corner OF defense is going to leave something to be desired until JEd gets back.  Young Dunc is busting his hump in LF, but he's still learning to play the position.  P-Dub doesn't have great ratings defensivly, and Taguchi has had a poor year (for him) defensively.  This makes it even more important for the Cards' pitchers to get ground balls... if'n t'other guys don't hit it into the corners, it don't make no difference if'n you're playin' the Musial and Slaughter statues in the OF.  (The real Musial and Slaughter, however... ah, whatta dream!)

What to do at SS?  Unless they DL Eck (which they don't know they have to yet), ya send Miles out there and hope for the best.  Gooch might be the Birds' second-best option on the roster!  Dunno who's available on the waiver wire... but we might find out soon.

Who'da thought that with Prior, Wood, and Maddux on the staff, the ace of the Cubs would turn out to be Crazy Carlos?  Whether he can win the Cy Young with such a lousy team is immaterial... Z might just be the best pitcher in the league this year!  Here's hoping Soup goes into the "Souperman" role he took coming out of the All-Star break... or Z reverts to "Crazy Carlos."

Just remember, Birdfans... they're still the Cubs!  <grin>

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 19, 2006 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

despite the hype
in the media over Wood and Prior, Zambrano has been the best pitcher in Chicago (in both leagues) for a couple of years now.
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know he's crazy...
but i'd love to have Zambrano as a Card. Not only is he a fantastic pitcher, but the guy is the epitome of heart. He is the type of guy who can fire up a whole team.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't he also a stubborn head case?
At least that's always been my impression. If he's on he can shut anyone down, but if some small thing flusters him he can let things get out of hand really fast. He's a much harder throwing, more talented Marquis.

In fact, hopefully that's what we're doing to him right now. Way to go, Scotty!

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2006 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How to post links again
I am confused how to post links I am doing it in the format

I keep on getting the error

Your HTML has the following error :

    * Attribute &NBSP; for tag A is not allowed

It works fine in the preview but wont post

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scoop has been acting weird
It took me like 10 tries to get the table to come out right.  I don't know what I did different the last one.

for links, I just turn the [] brackets into <> brackets in the below to turn

[a href="http:www.vivaelbirdos.com"]Viva![/a]

into

Viva!

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein
I think we need to discuss Eckstein Injury and the potential that he could be going on the DL. Eckstein will be out indefinitely This is where the Luna trade starts to look very bad. I have looked around for all players this year that have played SS this year. I am going to limit it too NL teams because it seems hard to get an AL player through waiver wires. List Jose Vizcaino was DFA'd but he really sucks. Still an option. This could be the return on Spivey. Even though he really has little to none SS time. Hopefully they start to plug him in SS down in Memphis to at least prepare him for the possiblity. I want to hear what you guys think about all this.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh
I think we need to discuss Eckstein Injury and the potential that he could be going on the DL.
Eckstein will be out indefinitely

This is where the Luna trade starts to look very bad.
I have looked around for all players this year that have played SS this year. I am going to limit it too NL teams because it seems hard to get an AL player through waiver wires. List

Jose Vizcaino was DFA'd but he really sucks. Still an option.
This could be the return on Spivey. Even though he really has little to none SS time. Hopefully they start to plug him in SS down in Memphis to at least prepare him for the possiblity.

I want to hear what you guys think about all this.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait and see...
it's possible that the injury is a bruise, rather than a "pulled" muscle.  He's not been MRI'd yet (as far as I know,) so nobody knows how long he'll be out.

Bo Hart (!) is playing SS at Memphis... given the ground-ball tendencies of the Cards' staff, they'll need the best defensive SS they can find... whoever the hell that is.

As for this weekend, send Miles out there and root like hell for him...

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 19, 2006 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bo Hart
Bo Hard is currently batting under the Mendoza line in Memphis. I would rather have Taguchi playing short than Bo Hart.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
It's been SS by committee in Memphis.  Hart and John Nelson have gotten most of the time, with Derek Wathan playing there also.

I think I'd call up either Wathan or Spivey if I was getting a solution from Memphis.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I DO know...
Miles?...is NOT the answer.  I'm not saying he isn't the only choice right now. because he seems to be, but I'm telling you right now that if they just go with him at SS we are going to lose games because of his play there. Less obvious, but as big a problem, is who is the lead off man now?  Again logic says Miles or Belly...and I'm actually torn as to which of those two is the better choice...but it's going to have to be one of them don't you think? But I really feel its Time to beat the bushes for a player who can fill both those needs on some level Jock....

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rev
suggested Craig Counsell on another board.  Might be just as good, if not better, option as Vizcaino.  Probably not quite as easy to get, however.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
as long as we're spitballing guys we'd never be able to actually get, why don't we call Schuerholz and see if we can get Edgar back?
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Aug 19, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only Problem
Yeah Craig was the first guy I thought of too but he is on DL right now.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He went 2 for 5
at AAA last night on a rehab assignment.  Sounds like he'll be off the DL in a day or two.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you think it would take....
to get Lugo out of his outfield prison in L.A?...I'm sure WAY too much...but if we are going to wish?...lets go all the way...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lugo would be nice
But the Dodgers are in the middle of it too, so I imagine they'd hang on to his wife-beating ass.
The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 19, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups are up
Nice to Spiezer back out there, and reassurance Duncan will still get the time.

Miles SS
Duncan RF
Pujols 1B
Rolen 3B
Spiezio LF
Wilson CF
Belliard 2B
Molina C
Suppan P

Pierre  CF
Perez  SS
Murton  LF
Ramirez  3B
Jones  RF
Mabry  1B
Blanco C
Cedeno  2B
Zambrano  P

As much as we complain about the use of Miles, at least we don't have Niefi.  Anyone see that article at thehardballtimes awhile ago arguing Perez could be the worst offensive player of all time?

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineups...
STL:
Miles, SS
Duncan, RF
Pujols, 1B
Rolen, 3B
Spezio, LF
Wilson, RF
Belliard, 2B
Molina, C
Suppan, P

CHI:
Pierre, CF
Perez, SS
Murton, LF
Ramirez, 3B
Jones, RF
Mabry, 1B
Blanco, C
Cedeno, 2B
Zambrano, P

The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I kinda figured
someone else would have it up by the time I finished typing.

I'm not happy with the early signs Preston will be used incorrectly (getting ABs vs. righthanders).

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,
I didn't think anyone could look worse than Encarnacion swinging from the right side against a top-level righty starter, but now we have Wilson and we see that it's possible.
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Barrett?!
Wow...the cubs aren't playing Barrett against us, that's a pretty big break. I'm not quite sure why we are sitting Enc though, he has done well vs the Cubs for us this year.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

encarnacion
could still be sore from fouling that ball off his foot.. or what not...

lets go cards make it 3 in a row!

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...
it has more to do with Prestons numbers vs the Cubs. Oh, and Preston is hitting .421 off Z this year.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3/7
with all singles and no walks is not that impressive...

about as small of a sample size as you can get.

and, if you look at his career numbers, he's not done well against Zambrano at all.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes...Duncan in RF?
Those dives must have shown Tony a lot yesterday.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

spezio playing left...
duncan prolly has more range

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So long Sid
it's been good to know ya. Ponson was DFA'd today by the Yankees. Seems a bit karmic to me...

by cardsrul on Aug 19, 2006 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't MLB offer a single day MLB.TV package
I just want the game today, since I've got Yankees/Red Sox in my area.

On a brighter note, I just found on that I get Gameday Audio on my Sprint phone, so I can listen to the game ANYWHERE now.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a national blackout...
...each Saturday until 6 PM central time due to the Fox blackout. This is regardless of whether or not your area even has a televised game.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I knew about the National blackout...
...(thus all games not on Fox pushed back to night), however I assumed MLB.com was able to show the alternate feeds that aren't availible in people's areas.

You know, using technology and such.  I guess it's no mistake that MLB is the only of the Big 3 sports to not have a Cable network.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what
so they can overplay them sox/yanks rivalries??

i already get enough of that shit!!!!!

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it blows
My situation: I live in DC.  Fox, of course, never shows the Sat afternoon Cards games, even when there's not a Red Sox-Yankees series to pimp.  Yet my MLB.tv subscription blacks out the game, and my MLB Extra Innings package also doesn't carry the games.

So I'm sitting here with my XM radio inside the house listening that way.

(And yes, I do spend too much money following the Cards.  I admit it. But that MLB.tv subscription is GOLD(!) for weekday afternoon games when I'm at work.)

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.
You assume MLB is going to do what actually increases product circulation?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ahem

Sorry.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
"You know Fox turned into a hardcore porn channel so gradually, I hardly noticed."

Who are these announcers? Pinella and ?

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2006 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explain this to me
How do you get Gameday Audio on your Sprint. I have the SERO plan so I should be able to get this too. I know how to watch Baseball games on my phone but have been trying to figure out just to get sound.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw it
Screw it, I am not paying Spring $6 a month to listen to the game. I can watch the baseball game live on my Phone through Orb.com . I have seen guys eyes lit up like kids when I flip open my phone to watch the baseball game. Actually quite funny to see a bunch of grown men crowding around a Cell phone to watch a baseball game.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if you can watch it...
...it isn't worth the $6.00 a month.  However, I don't mind the $6.00 for the audio.  This after plopping down $160 to comcast for the MLB Extra Innings.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting note
espn.com has an interesting note on chris duncan courtesy of the elias sports bureau.

"Chris Duncan went 2-for-4 and now has 20 hits in his last 38 at-bats. The last Cardinals rookie with 20 hits in such a short span of at-bats was Terry Pendleton in 1984."

The St. Louis Cardinals: No Curses, No Excuses, Just Wins

by amettrick on Aug 19, 2006 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe someone actually approved this....
...stupid 'Chicago Cubs, the Chicago Cubs, everybody loves the Chicago Cubs' theme song.  Then again, this is the same network that lets Ron 'Yeah' Santo provide fishing stories as color commentary.

Better fire up Gameday cause lord knows they won't be telling me on the radio what is happening on the field.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And we'll get to follow it up with
"New York Mets, Our team, Our time" in a couplea days.  shweet

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles
should take 2 pitches more often!

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan....
....Freaking machine!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

98 RBIs for Pujols....
...I remember when I thought he'd finish with 100 more than that.  However, moves him to 10 behind Howard for NL lead.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First pitch swinging....
Apparently that's the book on Z for today.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spezio...
damnit
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dusty must not have
shown Zambrano Preston's splits!

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambranos pitch count..
has gotta be getting up there.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fox
Listening to Lou Pinella is worse than a dying horse.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnit...
I knew that was coming. LOB will haunt us
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea
Especially when Supp is on the mound

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen....the Birds waste a golden
opportunity, which will come back to haunt them. A couple of basehits that would get the cubbie bullpen into the game early would have been nice.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Molina, Suppan, Miles
Sure hope we can keep the pressure on Z next inning and not let him settle in.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we should have scored
more than 1 run in that inning.  good have been a much better start to this game.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 19, 2006 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I posted this about Niefi
when it came out, but it still cracks me up to read it over and over.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-real-chase/

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the only thing i know about
neifi is that he went grand salami on us last year to win a game.......

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And still
had an OBP of .308 and even less than his batting average in July at .298.

Do people still seriously look at batting average anymore?  I thought that went out with console television sets.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how else would u win a batting title....
which should be a hitters' dream....

neifi is mediocre at best... but im sure there are hundreds of other big leaguers who would die to hit .300 in consecutive months...

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many would be
DFA'd for those consecutive months of OBP.  I don't think anyone but Dusty Baker would be happy with Niefi's last 2 month's performance.

No one with an OBP lower than their batting average has ever won a batting title.  

Batting average with no power + no plate discipline is pretty much useless.  He's an equal hitter to Yadi, yet hitting second...and much less valuable defensively.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont remember
jocketty DFA anyone despite our off year at the dish... and i wouldn't even DREAM in my sleep someone like neifi picking up a batting crown...

u asked does anyone look at batting avg....

last time i checked, thats how u earn batting titles.. thats all

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
That was HUGE. Pierre on third, one out, and we hold him. That a way.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These Chicago beer commercials are insulting...
...I mean, truly insulting to even casual baseball fans, I would imagine.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Home Run leader
Although hes not pitching today, Marquis doesnt hold the lead for most HR in the majors.  Beckett (BoSox) does, and he just gave up #32.  It only slightly consoling...

by atotheron on Aug 19, 2006 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yadier!!!
Why couldn't he have been up with the bases juiced?!!?
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YADI!
Makes up for a defensive error.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woah...
Miles 2 for 2? Yadi a HR? Both off Carlos Zambrano? Now i've seen everything.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

when was the last time
we had two different catchers homer on consecutive days?....nice.

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if Miles and Yadi...
... and Duncan keep getting hits, Zambrano might completely lose it today.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good thing edmonds isnt in the lineup then....
cuz for sure he'd be the first zambrano would want to bean.... as their history would indicate...

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

game day...
is stuck again it would appear...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron Santo's sugar is a little low
Please send cookies.  Chocolate Chip if you've got them.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe someone will do better...
...and send him off to be with Chip.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
At least you're not listening to Lou Pinella on Fox. It'd drive you crazy.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Abreu is great...
..I'd love to have that guy leading off for the Cards.

Sorry, that was just a bit OT.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strike Zone
This is so BS. This Strike Zone is huge. This ump is giving both sides of the plate and the bottom. In the Dirt --- STRIKE!

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs announcers
bringing up the Ryne Sandberg game...

Maybe they'll bring up the Edgar game...3-run homer to win?

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

edgar is a stud
on a team with pujols, rolen, edmonds(40+ hr), larry walker, and reggie... i remember when tony called him our most clutch hitter...  which he was.

damn the redsox for mistreating him...

he's shining nicely in ATL

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay
Is it safe to call Pierre a Cardinal killer?

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no
I just don't buy sample size stats. may seem like it though. he sure does annoy me with his little chest pound i'm the pimp routine he does. probably only annoys me because of the C on his chest.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pierre is really coming around for them....
too bad its for the damn cubbies

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not home yet....
and two away...Supp....he'll get out of it..

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice, Suppan.
keep on getting out of those jams.

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the FOX announcers are so good
it muted the TV and turned the radio on
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to McCarver...
...Papi is better than Aaron, Mays, etc....

It is incredible that he is on the air.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, guys
put up some runs on Zambrano.  Help Carp out in the cy race and put this out of reach.

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard to do that
When Zambrano's getting a strike zone the size of Alaska.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This strikezone
is obscene. Basically out of the dirt or below brim of your hat. Reminds me of little league umpiring to encourage kids to swing the bat.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

apparently
the umpire has a crush on Big Z
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if that is true about the strike zone...
then what the hell is Belliard doing looking at a third strike...I'm just going off Game Day...but if it's as bad as you guys seem to think it is.....NO ONE should be looking at a 3rd strike today!

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's hard...
...to actually expect a pitch over the opposite batter's box to be called a strike.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found the Edgar game
Really it was the whole team.  Sunday game at Wrigley.  Waiting for Santo to remember it.

Enjoy!

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07280SLN2002.htm

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was driving
back to a friend's place in nj from cooperstown after having watched ozzie inducted in the hall of fame that same day and frustratedly listening to the game on the radio until edgar.  AWESOME!

humorous side note:  I went to the hall with two friends of mine.  One a cards fan and one a cubs fan.  It was a sea of red that day as the only other inductee was callas (philly's outstanding broadcaster).  My friend, the cubs fan, wore his blue jersey.  We're standing in the hof gift shop and someone walks up to him and says "What?  Did you lose a bet?"  My other friend and I rolled laughing.

by sdesserman on Aug 19, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ohoh..
I think Supp is not going to be able to get out of this inning unscored...damn...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Suggestion
Use ESPN gamecast, it's a heck of a lot better.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually prefer
CBS Sportsline's gamecast/day whatever it's called.  It keeps track of pitch counts.  ESPN's is pretty but doesn't seem to have much info.

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,
 I too think CBSsportsline is the best. Now their news department with its fabricated stories....ah, sorry.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on
Yadi, got to catch that.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
we're putting up with your .220 average so that that never happens

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How catchable
are these wild pitches?  I'm on radio.

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The second one was very catchable
I probably would've called it a passed ball

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
The first one wasn't really catchable, the second he should've had - just slipped underneath his glove.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why were we
treating blanco like Derrick Lee? We gave him a ton of junk when we could have just as easily gone after him.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If this fork...
would fit in my ear, i would poke my ear drums out so i wouldn't have to listen to pinella.

by gdowdy3 on Aug 19, 2006 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's
horrible. He pauses after every word. You have to wait tn minutes for him to finish a sentence. Modern day torture right here.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shit.
damn you, Ronnie

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles
You think Luna would've got that? It was a pretty tough play

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to tell
I doubt the throw would've beaten Cedeno anyway

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy Carlos!
hahahaha, crush that bat, buddy.

Stay crazy when you come out next inning

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

something tells me
i missed a sight to see

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That you did
He acted crazy on an order of 8 tenths of a Mesa

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he broke his knee
trying to break that bat over his knee.

He acts like a 3 year old when things dont go his way.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Concentrate Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus man! For real do something other than throwing it in the dirt and over the middle of the plate.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Suppan
Jeff is out of control. I'm so glad we got out of that inning before the bleeding became worse.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why have our pitchers become head cases
Is it that Duncan and Larussa wont let them breathe?

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
Worrying about their new contracts this offseason?

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

better stop worrying
and start pitching or they'll actually have something to worry about

by atotheron on Aug 19, 2006 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z
Zambrano used Pujols there.

by Rob H on Aug 19, 2006 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

abused...
..would be more like it

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
Good to see Pujols and LaRussa stand up on the strike zone.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How the fuck
does bubble butt score from first on a double to left???

by stltrav09 on Aug 19, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Neifi
Nice glove switch coming around third.

Tell him to throw one in the dirt, Dunc.

by Rob H on Aug 19, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i just can't stand it
when you see all the stupid little things go the Cubs way.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cards aren't going ....
...to score two runs on Crazy Z. If I was a fat lady I'd be singing.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game is stupid
we go from crushing the Dumbrano to making him look like Nolan Ryan. Very frustrating.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Suppan is beating
himself. Taking forever on the signs, trying to make the perfect pitch. Looking like he's skipping rocks with the wild pitches.

This game is on the Suppan and the HP ump

Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh great
now the fat lady has sung, Tyler Johnson coming in.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm putting Newcastle in....
...front of your name and skipping the rest of this crap.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt.....
the hook came because Carp is pitching tomorrow.  Anybody else going on Sunday and Suppan stays in.

by stanchar on Aug 19, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Soup has just be horrible today...
...hasn't had an easy inning yet.  

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else
as fond of the Hometown Heros ad as I am?  I wonder if they mention Pujols in all markets?

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Babe Ruth's Part
is the best part of it.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Rogers Hornsby on the list...
...tells you all you need to know about how idiotic this promotion is. He not only was the best Cardinal hitter, he was the best all-time hitter and a good 2nd baseman too. Try 1922 with 42 HRs in the deadball era while batting over .400, he leaves everyone else in the dust.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Modern world...
They don't appreciate a guy who played before 1970 or so... drives me crazy too.

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but
can u really go wrong with any of the other 5??

the mound is 6 inches lower today cuz of gibson!!

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stan the Man..
...is the best of the five with Gibby a relatively close second, but there is no better Cardinal than Hornsby.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to pick
someone you've never seen play. All you can do is go off numbers.
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point,...
....which brings me full circle to pointing out again how stupid this promotion is.

Christy Matthewson  was left out as was Grover Cleveland Alexander, two of the top 10 pitchers of all-time.

Can I get an AMEN from the bobble-heads?

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers that don't factor in the talent pool....
....without having to play against African American or Latino pitchers, and with the rules back then making a today ground rule double into a homerun, you also don't know how many of Hornsby's homeruns that year were simply 2 baggers.

*Originally, all batted balls that cleared the fence after a bounce in fair territory or on a fly were counted as home runs. The rule was changed by the American League prior to the 1930 season and was subsequently adopted by the National League on December 12, 1930.*

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that the 2nd highest total was 26 and the
...3rd highest was 17. Also, if you knew anything about the old parks, you'd know the walls were usually very high, not to mention they were spacious to say the least. It was only in the late 1920s, when the live ball era began, that parks with low walls came into vogue causing the GR2b rule to be changed.

If you insist on using a PC arguement, let's just throw out all records before what, 1952 or so. That leads to a problem now though because the percentage of blacks has fallen so low---so do we not count today's records either? And as someone pointed out above, the mound was lowered around 1966 or so, can't count any batting records after that can we?

PC baseball records, you gotta love it.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said you should throw out every record
before 1952.  However, to blindly hold on to what Hornsby did as merely raw natural talent and not a product of the era he played in is just plain silly.

You don't find it the least bit odd that in the season Hornsby hit 42 HRs, the AL leader did so in the same stadium?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunatly
For Hornsby, there is still a lot of talk about his involvment in the klan back in his playing days. Not that a lot of prominent white men in both the midwest and the south weren't involved w/ the klan back then, but it hardly helps to make his case to be a "hometown hero" in a city with a rather large african american population such as St Louis.

I guess what I'm saying is that Rogers winning the Hometown Heroes here would be akin to Ty Cobb winning it in Detroit.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about that?
Tyler Johnson actually was successful in a spot situation.  Feels like it's been a while...

by stanchar on Aug 19, 2006 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that's.....
the Preston Wilson we expected.

by stanchar on Aug 19, 2006 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think...
that unfortunately that is the Preston Wilson that Astros fans recognize; not the one of yesterday.

K and a GIDP. ugh.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

after the DP
preston gets lifted for SOOOOOO-SOOOOO Taguchi....

boy do i love our options

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great
7 freakin' pitches for Z in that inning. need to get him out of there.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if they show
the blue angels one more time over the next two days, i'm switching to radio
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not a rally team....
that is the thing I miss most from the Cards teams of -04-05....that wonderful feeling of ..."yeah...but we'll come back on them in the 8th or 9th and take this game"... this year if they aren't leading by the 3rd?...usually it's over.

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I'm kinda curious why we brought in So. It feels like we need runs, y'know, considering we're losing. We don't really need defense right now.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh
Keep it at 3-2 and see if you can stretch Sosa longer, since the pitcher spot was due up in the next inning.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a double switch
was the right move at that point....

i thnk we're all just emphasizing that SOOOOO is unfornuately our best option in OF..

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sosa grows on
me with each outing.  I really like our right sided bullpen.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep...
it's nice to have someone coming out of the pen who throws some smoke!...lacking in most of our relievers...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

93 pitches
hopefully last inning, but i doubt it
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Z routinely goes ..
...115-125 pitches. Dusty is trying to turn him into the next Kerry Woods.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yadi seems to fly out to right fielders
WAYYYYY too much....

seems like his bat is too big for his slow hands....

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many times?
Have we seen this scenario:  

Weekend day game.
Cards vs. Cubs.
Sox vs. Yanks.
Late August.
Cards, Yanks and Sox with playoff aspirations.  The Cubs without.
Tight games.
Awesome.

That's why I love this game.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and we go....
quietly into the night.....once again..

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they still have to pitch dempster
we still got a shot
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like top 8th
is our best shot at coming back...

duncan, pujols, and rolen...

zambrano at 108 pitches... wonder if he'll come back out...

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron says that last time out...
Zambrano went 120 pitches and it caused him no problems.

Ron understands why players have pitch counts as well as Dusty does.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll finish this game...
you can pretty well take that to the bank...he can go 120 easy...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He won't make it out of the 8th...
...3 run inning with runners left on.  Just you wait.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 more innings....
you're talkin 130-140 pitches... easy...

but whatever they want to do to kill his arm... by all means, we'll support dusty

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone warming up in cubs pen?
if its dempster.....

CRUSH that fooool!!

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just noticed
"Zambronhead" in the original post. Heh.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 19, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Sosa...
...give 'em the heater!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap...
...Jones and Pierre seem to be the two players we can never get past and guys who is up with 2 on?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i switched to ESPNs gamecast
and really havent any delay since i changed to it... at about 4th inning

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, here we go...
..I'd rather not rely on a 9th inning Yadier Molina homerun so let's try and get 2 here with Dunc, Pujols and Rolen up.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for the MVP
To add something to the line today....thrird time through on this guy now...lets tag him for a EBH.....

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

woops...
Howry in there now?

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
were talking about Duncan, right? ;-)

by cardsrul on Aug 19, 2006 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um....yeah!..
SURE...that is what I meant...you bet! LOL

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan for president?
I'd vote for him.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my god!
how does this kid keep doing this?

i swear i just saw TLR smile.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR smile?
nah, it had to be gas...

by cardsrul on Aug 19, 2006 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Baby Dunc
I love you. I love you so very very much.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Duncan
I could kiss you if your outh wasn't filled with tobacco juice.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what's impressive...
... is that Dunc laid off of a few tough pitches - esp. that high fastball - and didn't get himself out. fouled a few off, then got the one he wanted.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

duncan with 7hrs in aug...
who in the NL has more?????

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the amazing thing is
he still has 15-20 less at bats in august than everyday players...

in the beginning of the months, he wasnt starting regularly....

so most damage done in the past couple of weeks..

what a pleasant, PLEASANT couple of weeks...

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my.
That was a straight away SHOT.  

Rolen's heating up.  Duncan is hot.  If Albert can get his elbow under control, he could start putting up numbers at a monster pace again.

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
¡Viva el Dunc!

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i originally thought
that prince fielder, uggla or johnson for the marlins would win the rookie of the year.....

u really cant go wrong with duncan especially in the heat of this division race right now...

probably the reason why we're even still in 1st... cuz NOBODY can get him out

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A few others have 7
Ryan Howard Soriano Edwin Encarnacion August Stats

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah
Ah Sigh, again

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet
It just hit me that Zambrano no longer has a chance for the win. Now all we need is Carp to win tomorrow. . .

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And on FOX?
Not even an update that Duncan hit the homer to tie it....god FORBID they go away for even a second of the almighty Yanks/ Sox game..

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
Well, CLEARLY Wainwright should win with highest on-base percentage.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehe
had he not batted yesterday, it would be even higher

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops
OPS, my bad.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Duncan
a last years' Ryan Howard??

howard won ROY and only played 2nd half of the season....

i gotta say, even howard probably didn't bat .421 in august

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan would have to get to...
...20+ HRs, 50+ RBIs and his BA above .325...then ya, maybe he could pass up those other guys that have been playing all season.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still have all of sept...
and with this many teams in contentions, you'd have to think he'd get pitches to hit with pujols and rolen behind him.....

so i like duncans chances of keep producing...

remember a few years back when the cards won 22 straight games in SEPT.?????  

boy would that be wonderful...

MVP pujols
CY  carp
ROY duncan

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even with Duncan's HR...
..it's going to be hard to win this one.  Don't have much in the bottom of the order with much power.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

big K there...
... Sosa is looking better all the time.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question
Is anyone else confused as to why Sosa is still in? I know Wainwright is probably tired, but he's only gone 1.2 in the past 2 games. Then again, if he gets out of this inning. . . more power to him.  . .

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe they're
conditioning him for a starting role

</sarcasm>

The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevin...
scares me right here with Sosa...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK YOU TAGUCHI
Pardon my french, BUT FUCK  YOU TAGUCHI
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh
Where's Edmonds when we need him . . .

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

taguchi should retire
go away.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the ball game
No reason we shouldn't of won this game.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Play the Cubs
become the Cubs. No question in my mind Edmonds would have had it.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stupid
blooper to short center, belliard and taguchi got there a second too late
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks shu...
I had a bad feeling about Nevin...but it sounds like just plain bad luck...oh...and thank god that Tony put in that great "Defensive" player in So...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Encarnacion is available right?
what about edmonds?

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon
In all honesty, JEnc couldn't have got that either. We all know that. Edmonds would've had it though. . .

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tags was playing deep
with Nevin, probably as he was told to. I don't think it's his fault, but there's no question Jimmy would've had that ball, concussion and all. what a load of crap.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He looked
GREAT scoring on a double from Belliard

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's hope Jimmy...
... doesn't get lost on his way around the bases.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds walks....
...winning run comes to the plate.  Belliard, be a hero.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YAHHHHHHHHH
THAT A WAY !!!!!!

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
Granted, Jimmy probably can't remember what he just did

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE RONNIE
HES SO GANGSTA!
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah!!!
jimmy still remembers where home is, and Mini Manny comes through!

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SLIDE OF THE YEAR BY JIMMY!
HEALTHY AS A HORSE!
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very encouraging to see edmonds to be able
to play tho....

didnt sound anything like it a couple of days ago

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gooooo
Gooo Mini Manny!!!

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Timo?!
Isn't Juan available damnit.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

squeeze?
otherwise, why not Encarnacion?

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on SOOOOOO
we need this

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you know you're bad
when timo perez pinch hits for you

by jojo5492 on Aug 19, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

miles
uhhh, no dp
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, if Miles takes 3 straight strike...
...Dunc gets to bat with runners on.

I'll take that.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Timo walks
Aaron up. C'mon CARDS!!!

VERY encouraging to see them fighting, though. I didn't see anything like this in the last Wrigley series.

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter
we have Duncan on deck!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ryan dempster
fears timo.  go figure.

by sdesserman on Aug 19, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come you little shit
pardon my french. Get a hit

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on
is what i meant to say

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles better take 3 straight pitches here...
....or else, I'm going to right him a nasty little letter.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Santo
keeps muttering to himself.

"This is...bad..."

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More Santo
"You know Perez is going........OHhhhhhhhhhh man"

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santo...
.."Yeah, well...he's just....oooohh.....yeah"

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how does timo walk?
Jeez. Dempster sucks.

How does Edmonds walk, for that matter....what a nailbiter. Can Belly run fast enough to make a squeeze?

by nota bene on Aug 19, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im calling a Duncan double to take the lead
just throwing it out there

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I say...
... Duncan sac fly and Pujols singles in Perez.

by punditmoi on Aug 19, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
We're both wrong.

by punditmoi on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOO
Timo walks.  C'mon DUNC!!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

COME ON BABY DUNC!!!
YOU CAN DO IT!!!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh boy
think Dempster will walk Duncan?

by nota bene on Aug 19, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ryan dempster
fears aaron miles.  more figuring due.

by sdesserman on Aug 19, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lil Dunc's opportunity...
... to make a ROY push. national tv. a game winning hit would help.

i really just want a fly ball. nothing on the ground, please.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

National TV?
Only 21% of Fox stations are carrying.

But I like your thinking.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I've got the Yankees blowing away the Red Sox hopes here.  That's fun, too, though.

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still "national" tv...
... even if it isn't on the East Coast at all.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just can't believe
Dempster just walked Timo and Miles. Timo and Miles! Unbelievable!
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lefty in to pitch to Dunc
means they will hammer him inside and then he will gap one

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, can someone
start a continuation thread in their diary so lb's place doesn't melt?

by cardsrul on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAATT?
TLR. Is. A Moron.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I knew it...
I knew tony would pull Dunc for Juan...
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now our chances are
Juan in a million - who else expects a DP right here?
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what in the???
Why take the Red hot dunc out? For just a stupid platoon split!
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

figured this would happen...
... please, Loneliest Number, please no DP.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You got that right...
...TLR needs to ditch his little book on how to manage and keep a hot hitter in.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?
damn you larussa

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness FOX is showing the Yanks..
..kicking the Sox 13-5. It'd be a pity to have shown this game.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is freakin' ridiculous
We've been counting on getting to Dunc the whole time, and ENCARNACION, who is an inferior player in every way, is up there?
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What
You're kidding, Tony? Are you serious?

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

k

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
is thinking too hard....

by nota bene on Aug 19, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't
effing believe this...

by cardsrul on Aug 19, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we lose this game, Tony should be whipped...
...this is just stupid.  Would you take Pujols out in the 9th inning against the Cubs because he has bad splits in Wrigley this season?

No, you wouldn't.  

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan is gonna hit a sac fly....
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Aug 19, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR...
... i hope you learned a valuable lesson today.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what a confidence booster for the rookie
'hey rookie!! u can't hit lefties'

tony.. what the hell man?

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW
who didn't see that one coming

by jojo5492 on Aug 19, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and Juan strikes out..
on a pitch in the dirt. I hate you TLR
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many
pitches did he foul off in the dirt?

Enough to walk?  I wasn't keeping track, but he chased WAY too many.

by whopperman on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony
Wow, your genius move pays off. . . big time. . .

Dunc couldn't have done better than striking out, not a chance. . .

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A FUCKING STRIKEOUT?...
THE MOTHER F'er JUST WALKED MILES AND PEREZ for GODS SAKE!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS TLR THINKING?...PATHETIC ...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

different pitcher....
they took out Dempster, it was Ohman pitching to Juan.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...they're bringing in a righty
Maybe Marquis can pinch hit for Pujols

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is...
... thank the lord he didn't GIDP.

by punditmoi on Aug 19, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed
Church of Alberto

by barefootpirate on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here here
and now Alberts at the plate with nowhere to put 'em. gotta like the odds of something good happening here.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe albert told tlr
to take out duncan. maybe albert is getting jealous of the attention

by jojo5492 on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck you larussa
you should sub yourself for the rest of the year you idiot.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with all the PHs
the OF is going to look funny for the 9th, and (god forbid) extras if needed

by nota bene on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pathetic
Just pathetic. No reason Dunc should have come out there.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's Albert's chance
to prove that he is more "clutch" than Ortiz....
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Aug 19, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK YOU FOX...
WHY MUST I WATCH THIS WRETCHED YANKESS-RED SOX GAME??!!!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone better start another stream here...
or we are going to fry the server...

by Timbo02 on Aug 19, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, god.
i thought that shit was gone.

by kindred on Aug 19, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF
Church of Alberto

by barefootpirate on Aug 19, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay
I just created a Diary for everyone to let go of their thoughts on that idiotic pinch hit move.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The worst part is that Duncan can't hit again...
...today.  We've now taken one of our only two producing bats this month (Duncan and Rolen) out of the lineup.

Brill-fucking-iant.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DAMN. IT.
that has to be the most knife-in-the-heart stranding I have ever seen.

by Elle on Aug 19, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

REMEMBER
this is the world series for the flubs
Church of Alberto

by barefootpirate on Aug 19, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet..let's go pen!
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Aug 19, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to go take
Yeah sooo that kind of just put me over the edge. I was up screaming then landed into a ball of a crying man.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 19, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony "I'm a F'n Genius ...
Just Ask Me" LaRusso can just kiss my ass.

Maybe Duncan should start taking steroids...then the "Genius" would leave him alone and in the game.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know the splits
but that sure looked like a bad move.

by sdrone on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, remember...this is the same man that pinch hit
for McGwire with the game on the line in what would have been Big Mac's last AB.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!
if anyone knew that mcgwire, canseco, and giambi juiced up..... it would be TONY!!!!!!

he knew it... he probably encouraged it!!!!

for him to not know... shows u exactly what kind of manager he is....

seriously, what a heart breaker that was seeing him take duncan out....

dave ought to have a chat with his retarded buddy of his...

by cubHATER on Aug 19, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish
that I could see Pierre's ridiculous catch.  Santo can't shutup about it.  I hate the Cubs.

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wasn't that great...
you just didn't expect it. All he did was jump up. The timing was good, but it wasn't spectactular.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will lose this game
I am still in shock.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is there anyone left on the bench?
to play in the 10th?  

by Suzanne on Aug 19, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gary Bennett
...and Eckstein - technically.

by dccardsfan on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw...we still pull it out
...watch.  It'll be a Belly-lard RBI
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fuck
TLR is prone to over-thinking and given the man's long, successful, HOF career, I am usually inclined to give him a pass on things that seem unorthodox. However, pinch hitting Enc for Duncan MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and I hope Bernie or somebody asks him some very pointed questions after the game, win or lose. Stupid stupid stupid.

by nota bene on Aug 19, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa
can kiss my ass. That shit is something out of Dusty Baker's playbook.

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For those of us watching on Gameday
Did Pierre have to do anything heroic to catch Pujols' hit, or was it just a deep flyout?

by jfs on Aug 19, 2006 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He had to jump
it was high, if he didn't jump, it would have been off the wall

by Brownale on Aug 19, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really..
he had to time his jump, but it wasn't over the wall or anything. The timing and being in the brush, was what made it nice.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 19, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the way Izzy is pitching
this is a sure win if we cash in on either of the situations where we stranded the bases loaded
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 19, 2006 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

reminds me
of the simpsons episode when Mr Burns pulls Ken Griffey Jr. out of the softball game for Homer. Unfortunately, Juan is no Homer.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry, it was
Daryl Strawberry. Griffey was suffering from gigantism from too much tonic.
Reverend Redbird

by erik on Aug 19, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To extras we go...
At least we're fighting. But I'm so mad about Encarnacion that it's overshadowing everything else.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 19, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

figures
1-2-3 inning from izzy yet we somehow don't have the lead

by jojo5492 on Aug 19, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overflow thread up.
sorry, I was afk for a while.

by Valatan on Aug 19, 2006 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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