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Game 99 Open Thread: July 25, 2006


carpenter           jennings
9-4, 2.83            6-8, 3.88

jocketty put the kaibash on this morning's rasmus/reyes for bob abreu rumor -- literally laughed at the very idea when miklasz asked him about it. that's as expected; i thought so little of the rumor i didn't even bother to link it. then why have the cards been scouting the phillies so much lately? miklasz thinks they're after rheal cormier, whom they could use. or maybe the tom gordon notion isn't such nonsense  . . . 'nother relief pitcher got traded today, by the way -- elmer dessens back to the dodgers for odalis perez. poor perez -- in the other league, but he'll still likely run into pujols once or twice a season.

while we're at it, i had a brief exchange late yesterday with colby rasmus' agent, paul cohen, trying to get to the bottom of the dontrelle willis thing. you may recall that this rumor gained credit because a) miklasz had sources on it, and b) rasmus' father was posting online that colby had heard directly from his agent about the trade. i finally got cohen on the phone at about 5 o'clock my time yesterday, after sev'l back-n-forth messages. i identified myself and my blog, and told him i was attempting to clarify the situation re colby's possible involvement in a trade for dontrelle willis. lot of speculation about it on the internet, i said; have you heard anything? "i can't really speak to that," he answered. "they tell us not to comment about trades. i really can't say anything about it."

hmmmm; not the hearty "hahahaha, that's a good one" response i'd been half-expecting. "i thought perhaps you had heard something, because colby's father posted a note on the internet which said he'd talked to colby, who -- "

"excuse me, can you hold on a second?" i hold; five seconds later he comes back: "i'm sorry, i've got to go -- one of my kids has a game."

end of call.

make of it what you will, folks; lot of ways you can interpret that. i'd like to interpret it as tacit confirmation that discussions involving rasmus and willis did take place between the clubs -- and that the cards may still be keeping a close eye on willis while looking for other ways to upgrade the pitching staff (and also closely monitoring mark mulder's recovery) . . . . .

then again, it could just be your typical player-agent caginess. can't trust anything these guys say, can you . . . .

i'm leaving for the ballpark soon. sky's looking kind of nasty, as it often does this time of day. doesn't look serious; i believe they'll play ball.

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I thought that
walt had put the kaibash on the Willis rumor too.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2006 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i didn't hear that
per this article three days ago, they "still had not dismissed a late run" at dontrelle . . . . .

by lboros on Jul 25, 2006 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
but I just like using the word "kaibash". Sounds like he gave you the slip lboros. I don't know what's going on, seems there is certainly something to the Willis trade talks and I just wish something would happen already. All these rumors are starting to make my head swirl.

by erik on Jul 25, 2006 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ottavino's line....
Five innnings, one earned run, one unearned run, three hits, one BB, and seven Ks.  He gets a no decision.  

Oh, and I'm going to see him pitch Saturday!!!  

WHOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Brock20 on Jul 25, 2006 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i spoke too soon....
All they have are lawn seats.  Never mind.  #()%@)##$@()@#)%))#)(*%()#

by Brock20 on Jul 25, 2006 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Willis trade rumor
Im liking this trade less and less the more I think about it. Duncan is looking like he might be an everyday player in left. IF we could fill our LF position with him next year and expect 25 HRs with a .280 ave and a .340 OBP I would be content then take the money saved and try to make a run at Soriano to play second or Jason Schmidt. I dont like trading Rasmus and im liking the idea of trading Duncan less and less... even if it means getting Dontrell

by BigMac545 on Jul 25, 2006 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

has he shown that kind of pedigree
in the minors though?  I had always thought (never really bothered to look) that he had meager plate discipline but some tremendous power.  Never really hit for a high average either.  Maybe I'm wrong...

Seems like he is a classic sell high canidate though.  Not sure he pans out long term but I love what I've seen the past few weeks in the bigs.

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2006 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dunc
has changed his swing with McRae's help, and since then he has an 88% contact rate. But yeah, I think I was too high on him and this trade makes a good deal of sense to me.

by erik on Jul 25, 2006 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, Reyes is no Willis....
...Not to pass judgement on him so quickly, but he has been less than impressive since his Chicago start.  If this is as good as he can be (with minor upgrades of course), he'll be nothing more than a #3 pitcher.

Wainwright is looking more like the better of the two each time Reyes takes the mound.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2006 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's too early to
label what spot Reyes will fill in a future rotation.  He's shown that he's better than his recent starts in both the minors and his Chicago start.  Do we decide whether Marquis is good or bad based on 5 starts? Nope because we'd be switching every 5 starts.  

Anthony Reyes is a rookie.  I think he has the potential to be good but he's a rookie.  He may improve with time, he may not.  I'd hate to try and box him into a corner based on such a small sample size.

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they tell us not to comment about trades
That line tells me that Rasmus has been involved in whatever negotiations there have been.

by 26thMan on Jul 25, 2006 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's my thought too
ie, a thing exists about which one must not comment . . . . if there were no trade under discussion, there'd be nothing about which not to comment

i could be persuaded by other interpretations too, but that's the one i like . . .

by lboros on Jul 25, 2006 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the agent realized
he had "said too much" when he asked you to hold, then suddenly "remembered" that he had his kid's ballgame to go to.

Um, yeah.

by 26thMan on Jul 25, 2006 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
his kid really did have a game...

Okay, I don't buy that one either...

"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the other hand
maybe it's just the standard line. Something seems to be up, though. That isn't the reaction you would expect, but it seemed like he was rushing to get off so he wouldn't have to answer any other questions..ie there IS something to hide. i dunno.

by erik on Jul 25, 2006 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that the wife that called...
...to prompt putting lboros on hold, to remind the agent that, "Hello, YOUR KID has a game and it would be nice if you could show up for a change and be a father to the kid!"

I dunno. The 'I have to go 'cuz my kid has a game' has to rank up there as one of the lamest excuses to get out of an interview or get off the phone I've ever heard.

Sounds to me Rasmus doesn't have the smartest agent in the baseball yellow pages.

Baily

by Baily on Jul 25, 2006 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How smart is his dad?
"Sounds to me Rasmus doesn't have the smartest agent in the baseball yellow pages."

Sounds like his dad's elevator doesn't reach the top either.  How does his posting the whole thing on the internet help Colby? His agent said
'they tell us not to comment about trades.'  Maybe Rasmus the elder is out of control?  

by amante tarjetas on Jul 30, 2006 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elevator is going up
how does his dad posting on the internet help colby  hhmmmmm.........let's see now......pop posts it on the internet....newspapers write about it.......sports sites pick it up.......bloggers post it......everybody (including you) is talking about it......question is how much money would that much publicity for his son cost.......maybe his elevator reaches the ...say.....6th floor....hmmmm?

by cardinalsin on Jul 30, 2006 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or...
he doesn't want to talk to the media about things and get his guy in trouble which will result in a poor position come negoiation time.  Common tactic, make the other guy the bad guy.  

by Brock20 on Jul 25, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize
that Carp has never started at Coors Field before.

This should be interesting. Hopefully not too interesting...

"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan benched tonight...
Tony must be really mad about that error last night.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 25, 2006 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's also really windy
may have something to do with it...

by SleepyCA on Jul 25, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disappointing...
Especially after TLR's comment in the P-D today about the lineup during the last two months of the season. For a minute, I thought TLR FINALLY saw the light and was going to limit Taguchi to his true capabilities--coming off the bench as a non-starter.

Even if Duncan needed a rest (and at his age, I doubt it), I'd have prefered Spiezio get the start and perhaps Taguchi come in later.

Baily

by Baily on Jul 25, 2006 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take it how you want but here are some tid bits
This morning, on a local St. Louis radio station (KFNS), Jim Hayes had some interesting info that he had gotten from WJ in Los Angeles. As some of you might already know Jim is the Cardinals pre-game broadcaster on FSN. Anyway, he stated earlier this morning that he had a conversation with WJ and straight up asked him if a big deal was going to happen. The response was a smile and a "we will just wait and see." He then followed that question with, "Is it someone that we will expect?" Walt then answered wiht a resounding, "NOPE."

Take it how you want but those answers lead me to believe that a deal involving a Willis type will be in the works during this week  

by Poooo Daddy on Jul 25, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exciting!
I like the sound of those comments.  Jocketty has a secret deal that has alluded the media.  I like it.  How big I wonder.  Only 5 days left to finalize it Walt!

by Toddius396 on Jul 26, 2006 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice start
Eckstein was looking sharp getting back to 2nd on that Pujols lineout to short. Last night that would've been a DP.

by liam on Jul 25, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bases loaded for..
Juan'cion. The LAST guy you want in this spot.

by ryanisforever on Jul 25, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is why
I asked about Juan batting ahead of Jim last night. I'd much rather have Edmonds hitting there.

by rob is back on Jul 25, 2006 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else
have the game dropped from their EI package?

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't get in.
n/m
8/13/79- Lou Brock 3000 hits

by lb3000 on Jul 26, 2006 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did Helton start batting so low?
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 25, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well...
... injuries, illness, aging, and humidored balls.

by kindred on Jul 25, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Humidored balls
Is that anything like tennis elbow?
"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their last series in az
hurdle dropped helton to 5th and moved the red hot (as we witnessed last night) atkins up to 3rd.  

by sdesserman on Jul 26, 2006 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Graffanino
to the Brewers...

by busch bird on Jul 25, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In exchange
for Jorge De La Rosa, left handed pitcher.

by busch bird on Jul 25, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how deep
was jennings Fball? im on gamecast

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to the base of the wall...
... but it looked deeper than that. i thought it was way out off the bat. terrible pitch.

by kindred on Jul 25, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp's allowed at least 1 baserunner
every inning so far.  Not looking exactly "Carp-ish" so far.  Hope this isn't the case the rest of the evening.

by Dick Pound on Jul 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And we haven't had
a baserunner since the first...
"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think
he is just toying with them.  Teasing them.  Letting them get close enough to smell home plate, and then pulling them back by the tail.

by SleepyCA on Jul 25, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How in the world...
can the Cards be scoreless for 13 innings at Coors Field?!

Come on, get some runs!!!

by jdubya on Jul 25, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heavy balls?
That doesn't explain last night's performance by the rockies, but I suspect that those humidor'd balls help them more than us.

by rob is back on Jul 25, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadi Yadi Yadi
So how often is a base stealer caught so badly that they don't even slide without even a pitch out??

I was suddenly glad they hadn't stopped the game just to see that.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jul 25, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's that damn
HUMIDOR!!!

by Dick Pound on Jul 25, 2006 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Puddles on the field
wouldn't that be a sign as to issue a rain delay?
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 25, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If so
wouldn't that be like the 3rd consecutive game Carp pitches in and there is a rain delay?
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 25, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah
Gotta wait until the home team scores.

by SleepyCA on Jul 25, 2006 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I officially
hate my cable system. They don't carry the extra two channels(TEAM 1 & TEAM 2) on Extra Innings. I'm having to watch the game online...

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look up in the
channels for the NBA league pass.  The Cards/Rox & the Stros/Reds games are up there.

by Dick Pound on Jul 25, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, because
my effing cable system uses the same channels for baseball and the nba..

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That blows...
Who's your cable company?

by Dick Pound on Jul 25, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
I didn't realize they were still in business.

by whopperman on Jul 26, 2006 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, that was a nice play
by Scotty.
"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rolen perfection
wet slide and rocket toss.  incredible.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jul 25, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Albert
props for digging the ball out, too.

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thor Strikes Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 25, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Memo to Yorvit
when you swing at pitches out of the strike zone, don't complain when you don't swing at pitches in the strike zone.

by erik on Jul 25, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Giving the pen
some rest, maybe...

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Guess I don't see the point
in letting Carp throw in the eighth. It's not like he's facing the bottom of the Royals lineup.

by ryanisforever on Jul 25, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Flores??
Up by just one.  why here?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jul 25, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is the matter with David?
Two K's this game...the last one on three pitches...
"I grew up in Oklahoma, and once you start runnin' out there there ain't nothin' to stop you" - Johnny Leonard Roosevelt "Pepper" Martin

by iron duke75 on Jul 25, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has not been the same
since his concussion. He has K'd multipule times in a few games since he got dinged

by Poooo Daddy on Jul 25, 2006 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be exact
He's struck out 17 times in 270 AB's before the concussion. 19 times in 127 Ab's since then. Yamma hamma. I'm a little worried, honestly. David's the spark plug that gets things going, we can't have him turning into Aaron Miles or worse.

by erik on Jul 25, 2006 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no and they
bring flores in I dont complain about TLR too much but dont like that move

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

go look up the splits for Flores
against lefties.  They are hitting below .250 and sluggin below .300  Flores gets shelled by right handed hitters but dominates lefties.

TLR knows what he's doing.

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2006 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High in the zone to Helton.
That was close, now what?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jul 25, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope izzy
is good, or they add runs

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Getting off topic...
But what happened to 2004 Draft Pick Mike "feed" Ferris out of Miami OH? I thought he was supposed to be pretty good.

by KeepOnRolen on Jul 25, 2006 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or were you asking...
Why he hasn't turned out to be so good? I think Mark Hamilton might already be a better hitter than Ferris.

by liam on Jul 25, 2006 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izzy is in!!!!!
I feel sick to my stomach

by Poooo Daddy on Jul 25, 2006 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they're not booing...
... they're saying "Choo."

by kindred on Jul 25, 2006 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

necklaces
what are those necklace things that Izzy is wearing now? Edmonds also wears one... they have to be something cuz ive seen a lot of people wear the same necklace looking things.

by BigMac545 on Jul 25, 2006 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy has worn some kinda necklace
for a long time, at least off and on.  

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not like a real necklace thou
did you see it... its weird... Edmonds wears one the exact same

by BigMac545 on Jul 25, 2006 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Necklaces
I think you're talking about the titanium necklaces.  Supposedly they give you "extra energy, strength, and mental awareness".  Lots of MLB players are wearing them this year.  I think some Japanese company handed them out during spring training.  Edmonds definitely wears one.  I don't know about the other Cards.  Here's a link to an example:

http://www.fanwear.com/phiten-titanium.htm

by heart cards on Jul 26, 2006 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jeebus....
... you'd think that Al would've learned to pronounce "plantar fascitis" by now. i mean, the injury only ended Big Mac's career and has hampered El Hombre's.

by kindred on Jul 25, 2006 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

better
hide my cat then...

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my cat
is safe for one more day; thank you Izzy...

by cardsrul on Jul 25, 2006 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anybody is using MLB GameCast on ESPN
isn't Jamey Carroll's picture just about the ugliest mug you've ever seen??  Right about the same as Speez's pink soul patch...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Jul 25, 2006 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

guess Izzy...
... didn't want that match-up with the guy batting .188 (.120 in pinch-hitting ABs). guess he likes the guy with the .321 avg with the tying run in scoring position better.

seriously... why would any ever sac bunt with Izzy on the mound? just take the damn walk. same result, and you don't give up an out.

by kindred on Jul 25, 2006 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy
thank you...but can we skip the drama next time? k? Thanks!

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2006 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Isrinhausen...
master of the 20+ pitch 9th inning...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Jul 25, 2006 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

deja vu all over again
All's well that ends well, but more tension than necessary.

by madridbend on Jul 25, 2006 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole
"we give Carp more run support in his losses than in his wins" cracks me up.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2006 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just got home
looks like a well pitched game on both sides. 2 years ago a 1-0 game at coors would have been unheard of.
The St. Louis Cardinals: No Curses, No Excuses, Just Wins

by amettrick on Jul 25, 2006 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

again i say
have you guys forgot the Dave veres days? at least izzy can get some saves..lead nl i think..and i hope the reds die

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2006 11:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget Veres
anyone remember g/d Ricky Bottallico?  Dramatic but effective is better than just ineffective.

Anyway, I'm sworn from ever complaining about Izzy ever again--I made a promise to him before the ninth inning of game 5 last year--he gave me three drama-free outs, and I'm sticking to not bitching about his drama ever again.  

Anyway, as a cardinal he has posted a 2.57 ERA, a 1.13 WHIP, a 8.65 K/9, and converted 168 of 194 saves, all the while picking up 11 wins.  Unless you can figure out a way to get Mariano Rivera, you'll have trouble doing better than that.  

by Valatan on Jul 26, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off topic
but are there going to be any additions to the VEB store?
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 26, 2006 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Triple Crown, anyone?
After July 25th:
.327 avg: T-3rd place - .025 points back of Dirty Sanchez
33 HRs: 1st place
86 RBIs: 2nd place - 2 RBIs behind A. Jones and Fat Elvis

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2006 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Props
For that Dirty Sanchez comment.

by ryanisforever on Jul 26, 2006 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We root for him whenever we go to the games....
....getting the:

"Dur-tee, Dur-tee, Dur-tee" chants going while everyone else is chanting 'Freddy'.

When he gets a hit, he gets a loud 'Dirtay' from our little group.

Unfortunately for him, now I hope he doesn't get a hit the rest of the season.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 26, 2006 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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