so long to flaccid at-bats
here's how the cardinals began the 2d half last season -- slightly diff'nt situation, insofar as that game-winner brought the cardinals back from 1 run down, but i still like the parallel. the other big difference is that, at this time last year, game-winning feats hadn't yet become albert's forte. on the contrary, there was genuine concern about his pattern of taking bad at-bats in the clutch.
now we almost take it for granted when -- for the 2d time in 3 games -- he hits a game-winner in extra innings. that's just workaday stuff, nothing special. the real thrills were supplied by edmonds, whose re-animation is nothing short of miraculous. this 36-year-old, injury-wracked player rode a full year's worth of flagging play into july; his month-by-month slugging percentages:
| july 05 | .443 |
| aug 05 | .443 |
| sep 05 | .600 |
| apr 06 | .427 |
| may 06 | .329 |
| jun 06 | .443 |
profiles like usually mean that the player is slower and weaker, with a leaden bat and reflexes that no longer obey. so to see edmonds suddenly turning on pitches again and yanking them out of the park . . . . as i said a few days ago, i had concluded that we would never see that out of edmonds again.
back on june 30, after a maddening loss to the royals, TLR singled out edmonds (who'd gone 1 for 6) for his flaccid at-bats. since then, jimmy has delivered at least one rbi and an extra-base hit in 7 of his 9 starts. st louis is 5-2 in those games. for the month of july, edmonds is slugging .771 -- 2d-best in the league among players with at least 30 at-bats.
his confrontation with carerra last night lasted a full 5 minutes; nothing flabby about it. indeed, this was a particularly stout effort by the cardinals, tauter and tighter than the two close ones they won down in houston. they actually played well in the field last night, also pitched well. the whole game had the quality of that edmonds at-bat -- stay alive, extend the game, don't give in, hope the other guy makes a mistake before you do.
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a few more thoughts on the cincinnati-washington trade. this deal fascinates me for some reason -- i guess because it spits so fearlessly into the face of perception. if the trade works out for cincinnati -- if majewski and bray help pitch the reds into the postseason -- somebody will be compelled to go back and sift through the data to find some "tell" that krivsky must have spotted that ev'yone missed. maybe there'll even be some new statistics invented to explain what happened.
but i don't think this trade was based on statistics. i think it was an old-fashioned roll of the dice, a guy just trusting his gut. it vaguely reminds me of the december 1980 trade that got whitey herzog branded a genius -- the deal that sent simmons, fingers, and vukovich to milwaukee for lezcano, sorenson, lapoint, and david green. herzog dealt away the cardinals' best hitter, their best pitcher, and a hall-of-fame closer for a couple of journeymen and two totally unproven players. the cardinals gave milwaukee enough talent to propel that franchise -- which had never been to the playoffs -- into the postseason for the next two seasons.
but when the brewers got to the world series in 1982, the cardinals were there to meet them.
herzog inherited a team that was much like the current edition of the reds -- it could hit like crazy but couldn't do anything else. so he resculpted the roster, got rid of some extraneous hitting (and the hitters' reputations exceeded their actual ability anyway) and made the cardinals' weaknesses throughout the 1970s -- pitching and defense -- into their hallmarks in the 1980s. i see krivsky attempting to do a similar thing, with the same no-looking-back aggression. he's spent his surplus of slugging, one-dimensional outfielders to broaden the talent base on the pitching staff. the reds still have two 40-hr outfielders on the roster, plus denorfia and freel, so i don't think they're gonna miss kearns all that much. and now krivsky has created the payroll flexibility to go after zito or schmidt or one of those guys in the off-season. so by next year the trade may actually translate to: kearns / lopez for majewski / bray / schmidt.
which would be a pretty damn good trade.
another analog: two and a half years ago, the cardinals sent jd drew and eli marrero -- two young, established hitters not unlike kearns and lopez -- to the braves for a couple of unproven pitchers (marquis wainwright) and a journeyman middle reliever (king). lot of people thought jocketty was nuts. but the cardinals of 2003 didn't need bats, they needed arms -- and the deal yielded not only marquis but also jeff suppan, whose signing was made possible by the payroll space the trade created.
however it works out for the reds, i appreciate the risk-taking -- the willingness to let go of a known, and tolerable, but unsatisfactory thing and embrace something that is less certain but gives one an opportunity to advance.
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Walk Off Home Runs
someone said
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 14, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Bonds is the active leader...
Thome
Albert
Fast forward a half hour or so, and I was getting ready to leave the house and go into work. Unfortunatly, I had to leave right in the middle of the 14th, so I calculated my route and I figured I'd be on I-44, somewhere around Shrewsbury, when Albert would hit the game winner. And my calculations were incredibly precise.
The man is like freaking clockwork. Amazing.
(Also, if you were the car next to me on 44 when I started honking my horn like a madman, I'm sorry. I got excited.)
PLUS
ummm.. this time, just to keep it fresh, let's let him run past us and we can chase him. Everyone alright with that?
Did you see
Also
Losing Lopez would probably not make me happy if I was a Reds fan, but his defense was suspect at best and you've got to break a few eggs, ya know?
Your right L, this is one of those HIGH RISK/high reward trades that make fake-GMing fun. It very well could pay off.
Of course, if Walt made this move I would totally freak out.
The Money
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 14, 2006 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
arb eligible...
even still, you could look at this sort of the like the Nomar-for-Cabrera deal the Red Sox made a few years back. before the trade, they were a pretty good team. after the trade, they became World Series champions.
i'm not saying the Reds are now a World Series team. what i am saying is that they trading from their strength (offense) to improve their weaknesses (defense and pitching).
the prospects they got could be packaged in another trade or kept. the money they saved could be spent now in a big trade or in the off-season in a blockbuster move. they've already got a young SS (Castro) that they seem to like. they've got a couple of good replacement OFs (Dinofrio and Freel) that weren't getting enough playing time. it makes sense.
i still think that Nats got the better players. and it was the right deal for them to make. but i think this could end up being a savvy move for the Reds. maybe.
Well, except that...
If they traded those two for a group of good to very good relievers that'd be one thing, but I just don't see it.
The relievers aren't terrible, and they ARE an upgrade, I'm just not sure how much of one.
bill bray might be good
Ryan Wagner redux...
you might say that
wagner can't throw strikes. even in the minors, his k/w ratio was only 2 to 1. bray's k/w in the minors was 4:1. he's holding his own so far in the big leagues, while wagner has pitched himself out of the majors.
other than that, they're a complete wash.
"Closer of the future"
that's only a best-case scenario
but i think krivsky's being bashed for giving up a vast amount of value in exchange for middle relief, and i'm just saying he got back more value than that --- at least, more potential value.
and i guess i'm discounting felipe lopez to some extent. he's really not that good; has only had one good season in the big leagues (last year), and that was at least partly fueled by his home park. put him in a neutral park -- or a pitcher-friendly park, like rfk, where his power numbers will be neutralized -- and i'm not sure he's much better than an average ss.
but because of arbitration, he's going to be paid a lot more than a position-average guy, moving forward. he's going to be a lousy value. so it's no real loss to the reds, imho.
agreed
I dont think its as big a fleecing as I originally thought. Good for both teams probably.
re: lopez
My immediate thought...
The D-Rays
its my understanding...
Stabs at the unkown....
You got that right
by Baily on Jul 14, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why bring in...
in the 14th, you're not "going for it"
IF
Perez has been a starter, so he's the most logical choice to pitch multiple innings. If you take out Perez and pitch Baez against Pujols, you're committing your closer for the rest of the game... no matter how long it takes.
Of course, that final pitch Perez threw reminded me of an Ian Dury and the Blockheads song:
"Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick!
Hit me slowly, Hit me quick!
HIT me! HIT me!
HIIIIITTTTTTTT MMMMEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!"
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 14, 2006 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're right...
Even Sele could have been an option. He doesn't pitch until the 17th. I suppose they had to go with Perez at some point though... The Dodgers are really in a bind with him. He's their Ponson except he's owed another $12 million.
Baez was sick
Aaron Sele (their other starter) was sent to the bullpen to prepare to pitch if and when Perez ran out of gas, but Peres was the only guy left.
Why they didn't just walk Pujols is beyond my comprehension.
Baez is nothing special
Using Baez over Perez there wouldn't be "going for it" by any means. Just swapping one unhappy pitcher for another.
Speaking of unhappy, did anyone read Odalis's rant after the game? "I've been treated like trash," he says. Also, he says that Pujols hit ball four over the wall for that homer.
Goold Mulder Post
You can read the whole thing--which I recommend doing--at:
http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2006/07/mulder-update-mound-bound/
espn page2
cardinals have 2 on there, under worth every million and more...
Interesting
I'm not saying that the Cardinals should go and get him, but the dollar value of his absurd production is the reason that the Cardinals can never afford players like him.
Yeah, I may get hit with rocks but...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm......
but i will agree with you, with a qualification, that pay-rod is the best ball player, not named albert pujols, of his generation.
by busch league on Jul 14, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My main complaint is
Another way of putting it is: Is A-Rod worth five Juan Encarnacions? A team of A-Rod and four guys making the league minimum would probably beat a team of five Juans.
Marquis
Did a quick look of his numbers. If it weren't for those darned AL teams he would be having a solid year. Numbers versus non-devil AL Central squads.
11-6, 3.61 ERA, 1.34 WHIP
I mean, thats liveable right? Honestly, Marquis is the least of our worries, IMO.
when he only walks
he's just got to do that for more than 5 starts at a time. maybe this will be the time it finally sticks . . . .
control is the key
When does Weaver pitch!? I'm excited to see that.
by TheFranchise9 on Jul 14, 2006 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Beano, yer numbers are fuzzy
Andf he hasn't had that good of a year....
To arrive at the 3.61 figure, you apparently subtracted all the earned runs Marquis allowed in his 18 innings vs. the AL, and instead, substituted 18 shutout innings, lowering his era from 5.34 to 3.61.
But the right way to do it is to remove both the IP and the ER, which puts Marquis at 4.21. Not bad, but if you tale any crappy starter in the league and renove three bad starts, almost every one will have a decent-looking ERA.
correct
Im still saying, those numbers arent awful. As Ive said before, I dont think hes as bad as many on here think, and probably not as good as I think.
I like Marquis as a No. 4 starter...
by Baily on Jul 14, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan's Sore Wrist
"Right fielder Juan Encarnacion was not in the starting lineup Thursday as he continues to rest a sore left wrist. Encarnacion injured the wrist on a swing several weeks ago and has played through the ache, batting .220 over his last 10 games. Trainer Barry Weinberg said the wrist hurts him most on a bad or awkward swing."
So, um, does that mean it hurts him most on about 90% of his swings?
Link:
Terry Evans update 7/14
He may never stop hitting :).
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 14, 2006 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Reds trade...
I'm not sure why people are so down on this deal. Everyone wanted more, like Soriano or Guillen. Soriano would have been great but the Reds need pitching. Guillen is overrated and he is a head case - already played for 7 teams in his 10 year career and heading out of Washington.
Also, Majewski & Bray are not that bad. They are young guys with decent arms. Majewski is 26, Bray is 23. They could continue to develop if they learn to pitch in the band-box that is Great America Ballpark.
GAB
Its not a pitchers park by any means, but the numbers haven't proven that it is awful place to pitch. Hopefully I can find some data to back this up.
Yeah
And with the Reds of the near past in particular,
According to this site...
GAB has the most homers of any stadium in the NL. I'm not sure how many games have been played but GAB leads by a large margin over #2 Minute Maid (another band-box).
GAB - 138
Minute Maid - 121
Citizens - 114
Miller Park - 110
Turner Field - 108
Not the most scientific (number of games, home vs road, etc) but gives a snapshot.
This site has last nights HRs for the Cards, so it's up-to-date.
Coors field
But that's my point
Reds Team splits since 2003
Home: 286 G, 386 HR, .257/.335/.436
Away: 290 G, 342 HR, .251/.329/.416
by Just Rope Ball on Jul 14, 2006 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
so since no one has said it
so i wonder
well
by dontEATnachos on Jul 14, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Albert
link?
i'm assuming you are referring to him running from the mob at home rather than his typical bat flip. honestly...neither of which bother me.
by busch league on Jul 14, 2006 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
On the HR, he just tossed the bat, put his head down, and ran around the bases. I didn't think he watched that bomb for any unusual length of time.
by The Ol Goaler on Jul 14, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
read
sorr.
by busch league on Jul 14, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i wasnt
You may remember
yes i
If he want's to
He shows up perez just by getting in the box against him. he could take a Home Equity Line of Credit out on perez! he owns him.
nice
Did I miss something?
Didn't want to see him go all Gramatica or something.
by 26thMan on Jul 14, 2006 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no......
"Jim Molony, of MLB.com, reports the St. Louis Cardinals recently scouted Washington Nationals 2B Jose Vidro."
surely not. i mean....surely not. there's no way. right? please say i'm right. please.
or at least tell me that it could be part of a package deal. like we give the nats a handful of average 2 sackers, an average arm and a good young arm for soriano and vidro. (i just made that last part up.)
Thinking it would be a pacage deal
Cards get
Hernadez and Vidro
for
Nats
4 prospects
Worrell
Pomranz
Skip Shumacher
Carmen Cali
by Poooo Daddy on Jul 14, 2006 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What's Livan making?
He's not exactly a Cy candidate this year either..
In a pitcher's park.
Pitchers..
by Birds on the Matt on Jul 14, 2006 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Keith Law of Scouts Inc on ESPN
"St. Louis Cardinals
Starters needed: Three, and that's assuming Anthony Reyes keeps up his solid early work.
The Cardinals are a mess. It's hard to see this team within sniffing distance of .500 if it played in the AL East or Central divisions. The entire offense is wrapped up in three players (Albert Pujols, Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds), and the team is locked into suffocating contracts with nonproductive hitters in right field and at shortstop. Manager Tony La Russa still regularly benches his one good second baseman, Hector Luna, further handicapping the team's offense. Left field is the easiest upgrade here, in part because the players St. Louis has run out there -- mainly So Taguchi and John Rodriguez -- are so bad.
The rotation is in worse shape than the offense, which can at least still score runs due to the three monsters in the heart of the lineup. Chris Carpenter is having another All-Star caliber season, and Reyes is off to a good start. Jason Marquis has the next-lowest ERA among starters at 5.55, exactly a full run worse than the league's ERA of 4.55. Mark Mulder could come back from his shoulder problem, but is that even a good thing? Adam Wainwright could be the Cardinals' Aaron Heilman, filling a role but not filling the need for a No. 2 or No. 3 starter. "
This was linked yesterday...
However, can't say I completely disagree with the "It's hard to see this team within sniffing distance of .500 if it played in the AL East or Central divisions." comment.
Keith Law is an idiot...
What happens if our starters turn it around and pitch like they are capable? Marquis has already back-to-back quality starts. Suppan has not been good but I don't think he is done yet. What if Mulder comes back and is the old Mulder.
Will Keith Law eat his words? No, because ESPN is paying him to be a big mouth. Nuff said.
I keep remembering Andy Benes in 2002. I was at Bank One ballpark on April 15, 2002. Andy gave up 8 runs (or something) in a couple of innings and the Cards lost 14-5. I thought he was done. Low and behold, the Cards acquired Chuck Finley and he showed Andy a new pitch and Benes was one of the best pitchers for the Cards in the 2nd half.
Anything can happen. I don't think our rotation is that bad. We definitely need a solid #2 (hopefully that's Mulder). Let's see what they can do the 2nd half.
Don't Forget...
CNNSI edited an article...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 14, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
not to mention
ESPN.com article
One is ours
As for Looper, well, I might declare it a toss-up between him and Rincon...
That article...
That Can't Be Right
Somebody said...
Either way, I was always under the impression that if a released player signed elsewhere, his new contract replaced his old contract, but apparently the Yanks are only required to pay him league minimum for the rest of the season. The article I read about it said that would be $150k-175k. Ponson's base was only $1M, so that means by season's end, we'll have paid him about $825k-850k. What I wonder though, is what happens to his contract incentives? Is NY responsible for them, or do they go away?
They have to clear waivers
from a legal perspective
It will never happen but what if
Could you imagine how much better baseball would be if guys were actually earning their paychecks every game? You would rarely have the problem of over paying for a player like you do now. Free agents would still be a hot market but you could get a player by having signing bonuses so you still could over pay but it would be much less often. You wouldnt be paying guys for what they have done but paying them for what they are doing.
by Lonedawg on Jul 14, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Remember, this cuts both ways. Pujols made $1.7 million, COMBINED, from 2001 to 2003.
Now, he's getting paid for a combination of that and what he'll probably do in the future.
That's why it's so critical to have a strong farm system. The first three years of MLB service, you tell the player how much he'll make, he cannot negotiate. Then you get three more years of arbitration where you probably get him for less than the open market would give him. And if you're smart about it -- like the Cardinals were, you can buy out the arbitration years and a couple of years of free agency with an extension.
nationals sign luis matos
by cards4ever on Jul 14, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't call Matos
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 14, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
wasnt he
something
Here's where
i didnt say i liked
we would all
here is the cards list...i may have forgot some now this list may not be people who went to dl
Biggbie2x
Ponson..letf his magic on dl
Mulder
Pujols
Rincon
Carpenter
Edmonds dinged up early
Spezio
rolen
yadi
alot of those are key people..i think you have to take this into consideration when evaluating the cards this year..makes a huge difference
The trade analog...
Jocketty in '03 did better than Krivsky, but I think there might be some addition by subtraction going for the Reds. Especially if they can get Freel in the lineup more.
in value terms
wainwright was a more heralded prospect than any of the guys cincinnati got, i will agree with you there.
all the "experts" are bashing the trade -- baseball prospectus, hardball times, roto times etc etc -- so i should prob'y stop trying to defend it . . . . i just think people there are considerations that have been overlooked (chiefly the $$$$) that may, over time, balance out the deal somewhat. it's easy to bash krivsky, so people are lining up to take their shots. and if you strip the trade of context, it's obviously an imbalanced trade in the nats' favor. but placed within a broader context, i don't think it's so crazy.
Matthew Leach
http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/
I think he makes a good point that is just seems like the Reds could have gotten more. I would think if they had just given up Lopez for Bray/Majewski this trade would seem more balanced.
where is the market
stl has eckstein
brewers - jj hardy, better player
cubs - cedeno, younger cheaper better fielder
pirates - committed big $$$ to jack wilson
houston -- everett's a better value $$$wise
mets --- reyes
braves -- renteria
florida -- hanley ramirez
nats --- WE HAVE A WINNER
phillies -- rollins (long-term deal)
dodgers -- furcal
giants -- vizquel deal has another year to run
padres -- greene is a better player
arizona --- have stephen drew in minors
rockies -- could use him
so in the national league, that's only 2 or 3 teams that would really be improved by adding lopez --- and are in a position to do so. the situation is similar in the a.l. --- most teams either have an entrenched ss or are grooming one.
i think we're all overstating felipe lopez's value because he hit 24 hr last season, and not being realistic about his limitations as a player. the market for a player with those limitations is not very great.
you're right...
in subjective ways the Reds might come out on top in this deal. they are going for a "BoSox '04" kind of move. no one would argue that Orlando Cabrera in 2004 was a better SS than Nomar, but the Sox had a surplus in offense, a shortage in defense, so they took the gamble. the Cards did the same thing before the season with the Drew deal. both were "pretty good" teams before that, but the impact of those deals propelled them to be the two best. it worked pretty well for them. it may not prove to be the best for the Reds, but that remains to be seen.
not only that, but the Reds have capable guys to replace the ones they gave up.
but the reason why it looks lopsided is because the Reds are taking a gamble. the Nats aren't. it could end up good for both, or may end up being a huge blunder. time will tell.
Just off the AP wire:
Any trade that allows you to do that is defensible on some level.
An Excellent Point
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