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trey hearne speaks

mark mccormick came off the DL for quad cities last night and made his 1st start in more than a month. his return is most welcome, and he pitched pretty well -- 4 innings, 2 runs, 0 walks against dayton. the only downside for readers of this site is that mccormick displaced trey hearne from the rotation -- this despite the fact that hearne went 3-1 with a 1.98 era in 7 starts as mccormick's understudy. during that span he held opposing batters to a .211 average, struck out a man an inning, and had a 4:1 strikeout-walk ratio -- impressive numbers at any level, major league or minors. hearne did get into the game last night -- won it, actually, with 5 innings of 2-hit relief, to raise his season record to 7-2. but moving forward it's back to the bullpen for VEB's favorite under-the-radar prospect.

the 'pen has been hearne's home for most of his professional career, which began last season when the cardinals took him in the 28th round out of texas a&m-corpus christi. hearne was only the 2d big-league draftee in the history of that school -- the 1st, centerfielder charles carter, went 1 round ahead of him, also to the cardinals. hearne pitched well in short-season a last season (here's his stat line, college and pro), striking out nearly 10 guys per 9 innings and holding opposing hitters to a .181 avg, and he got off to a strong start this year coming out of the quad cities bullpen -- at one point this spring he retired 22 consecutive men, 5 shy of a piece-meal perfect game. in may he picked up a few spot starts, pitched well, was noticed by DCGreg about this time last month, and has been mentioned routinely on this blog ever since.

another VEB reader, stlnd (who writes the Luck o' the Redbirds blog), chatted hearne up from the stands when quad cities came to south bend for a series week before last. turns out hearne had no idea any st louis fans were even aware of his existence, much less diligently tracking his every performance. i followed up with an e-mail to quad cities broadcaster ben chiswick, who set up an interview for me last week. it took place last wednesday, a few hours before hearne went out and beat fort wayne.

here's the transcript; hope you enjoy it. if you're watching the All-Star Game tonight, i will have a game thread up this afternoon.

you pitched in relief last year and the first part of this year, and then about the end of may they moved you into the starting rotation. what was the reasoning behind that?
originally i was a long reliever -- we throw a lot of innings, and when a starter goes down and has to miss a start, we'll take a spot start.  they just throw you in there, because you can throw more innings than most other relievers. so they threw me in there when somebody went down, i can't remember who, and i had a couple of spot starts, and then mccormick got hurt. i took a couple of starts for him and i ended up doing good, and he was gonna be down for a while so they just left me in there because i was having some success. i guess they figured i was doing better at that than i was at relieving, which so far has been true. i had a couple of bad outings in relief. i just seemed to be doing better in the rotation.

do you like pitching out of the rotation better, or do you prefer relief pitching?
they're about the same, um --- i don't know, i can't say that. i like knowing when i'm going to throw. i like pitching every five days. relievers, we don't know when we're gonna pitch, gotta be ready every day. so mentally it's actually a little bit easier starting.

you were a starting pitcher in college?
yes sir.

it looks like you took a real step forward your senior year at corpus christi and were pretty dominant. the previous year you had done pretty well, but your era came way down and your strikeouts went way up in your senior year. did you do anything differently?
well, what happened was i've always played both ways -- i played in the outfield and i was pitching. and that took a toll on me on the mound. my arm was just tired because i had to go play in the outfield after i was done pitching, and my legs were tired. and my senior year, what they did was they just said, 'look, we just want you to pitch. we think you can help us out more on the mound than in the field." it freed up a lot of time. i had a lot of time to work on extra stuff and run a little bit more and do some other stuff to get in good shape as a pitcher. and that helped a lot, not having to worry about hitting and just being able to focus on pitching. i miss hitting, but i definitely wasn't as good a hitter as it turned out i was on the mound.

they started you out last year in the new york-penn league. what was that transition like, coming into professional baseball?
it was tough -- more mentally than physically. just being able to get yourself prepared every single day to go out and pitch was something that i had never done before. it was tough to get used to. i was real thankful to have had a good year considering all the changes that i went through to get ready for professional baseball.

you grew up in texas and then went to college there. was it a big change to find yourself playing professional ball on the east coast, in new jersey?
it wasn't that big a shock. i mean, everything's different, but i've traveled a lot for baseball, and really texas isn't all that different from anywhere else. so it wasn't that bad.

this year you're on a team that has some of the most talked-about prospects in the cardinal organization. colby rasmus -- until the last couple of days, he was your teammate. bryan anderson gets a lot of attention, mark mccormick gets a lot of attention. jaime garcia started getting talked about a lot this year. does that make it harder or easier for you to be surrounded by guys who are touted as some of the top guys in the cardinal system?
i don't know if it's harder or easier, but it makes it a lot of fun -- so i guess, really, it makes it easier. to watch some of the guys play, it's a treat. to watch rasmus, or to be able to pitch to anderson -- those guys are 19 years old, and they're both more mature baseball-wise than i would consider myself right now. it's just a lot of fun. i love baseball, and to see talent like that and to be able to see it every day -- really, it's a blessing. i enjoy it.

tell me a little bit about your repertoire as a pitcher -- what's your best pitch, what are you developing, what do you go to in a jam?
i throw a fastball, curveball, a slider, and a changeup. and it depends on what day it is as to which one's my best pitch. i consider my fastball probably my most valuable, because most of the time -- not every day, but most of the time -- i can put it where i want to, which makes everything else just a little more effective. but i need all of them. i don't throw hard, so being able to kind of trick batters is how i work. that's how i get guys out.

what do you top out at with your fastball?
i think this year the hardest i've thrown one is 88 or 89. i hit 90 or 91 last year, but that was out of relief. i don't throw hard, and if i try to throw hard, it seems like the harder i throw the more i get hit. my curveball breaks pretty good; it's easy to pick up but it's got a big break, so it's pretty hard for them to just crush it. but it's different for every batter that comes in there. it just depends on what they hit better, but the curveball is probably my out pitch.

i'll admit i'm a little bit surprised -- just looking at your stats, with all those strikeouts, i thought you were gonna tell me you threw it 100 miles an hour.
no, in fact if you go and watch me throw, you're not gonna think a whole lot. i'm not lighting up the gun or blowing it by anybody. i'm out there chipping away, trying to get outs.

you've been on a pretty impressive run since you joined the rotation -- an era in the 1.00s with a low hit total and a lot of strikeouts. is there anything in particular that you can put your finger on to explain why things are working out so well right now?
i couldn't say one thing, just trying to stay focused. when we play teams, i try to pay attention to what their hitters do [when i'm not pitching] and try to figure out how other guys are getting them out or how i think i could get them out. when i'm on the mound i try to stay calm, don't panic about anything. if i give up a home run or a double or whatever, just handle it as it comes. because if you start getting worried out there on the mound, that's when things really start going bad.

what are you working on in particular to try to get yourself ready to move forward in the organization?
i probably need to get a little more movement on my fastball. it's pretty flat, pretty straight. if i can add a little sink on it, that would be good. also being able to pitch inside a little more, keeping guys off the plate, keeping them from getting comfortable. there's always something. i'll never have this thing figured out; there'll always be something to fix.

how do you like working with bryan eversgerd, your pitching coach?
i like him a lot. he's not too controlling. he kind of lets you do your own thing, but he gives you advice. i've learned a whole lot about myself and about how i should pitch. it's been good. i've liked working with him.

is there a pitcher who you really identify with, or rooted for as a kid growing up?
probably greg maddux, just because of his style. the way he throws is a lot like i throw. of course, he's 100 times better than me, but he doesn't throw very hard, and he has to hit his spots. to watch him throw, it's amazing to see what he can do.

maddux of course is sort of the gold standard of precision pitchers. are there other guys in the big leagues from that same mold -- maybe not hall-of-famers, but guys who succeed without throwing it very hard -- who are sort of examples to model yourself after?
oh yeah, we talk about it all the time. it doesn't really matter how hard you throw. the guys who don't throw as hard have to be a lot more fine; you can't make as many mistakes, but you can still make it. a lot of these hitters would prefer a hard fastball as opposed to a slow one.

the cardinals drafted you in the 28th round. were you expecting to get drafted after that great senior season you had at corpus christi?
i really didn't know. to tell you the truth, going into my senior year, i thought that was it. i was starting to look for places to interview for jobs. the only scouts who talked to me were a guy for the astros and joe alvarez, the guy that drafted me for the cardinals. i didn't know what was gonna happen, to tell you the truth.

joe alvarez has gotten some notoriety lately because he's the guy who scouted jaime garcia, who's also from texas. did you know jaime before you guys became teammates?
no, i hadn't met him. but he's definitely a guy to watch. he's a big leaguer. if he can stay healthy, i really believe he'll be up there.

are you the first guy from texas a&m corpus christi to ever get drafted?
me and the guy that was drafted by the cardinals the round before me, a centerfielder. we were both drafted by the cardinals, and we the first two to get drafted out of corpus christi. he's at state college right now. his name is charles carter.

you grew up in astros / rangers country. did you root for those teams as a kid?
oh yeah. i'm a huge astros fan -- i probably shouldn't say that. . . . . my dad's a huge fan [of the astros], he probably doesn't miss a game the whole season.  i grew up watching biggio and bagwell, all those guys.

you must have seen a few games that darryl kile threw.
oh yeah. in fact, not too long ago on espn classic i watched one of the no-hitters he threw for the astros.

you were telling me a second ago about getting ready to do job interviews. if you hadn't gotten drafted, what line of work were you interested in going into?
to tell you the truth i had no idea. i was three classes away from getting just a business bachelor's degree, and was hoping maybe to get a job to help me go through flight school. i was kind of wanting to be a pilot. but i didn't really have a clue as to what i was gonna do.

thanks a lot trey, i appreciate your taking the time; best of luck.
hey, it's an honor to have you guys be interested. i was really surprised to hear that some cardinal fans were paying attention to us down here, and i really appreciate that. i had no idea, to tell you the truth. it's neat to have people who actually care and do pay attention, because you don't see that a whole lot.

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Thanks Trey!
Great interview VEB. Keep 'em coming.

by PhatAlbert on Jul 11, 2006 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the fact that
we get a chance to "talk" to possible future Cardinals here on VEB.  At the same time, I think it's great that VEB is able to let them know that us Cardinal fans DO care about them, and want them to succeed.  Trey's multiple comments about how he never thought any fans would be paying attetion proves this.  Welcome to the Birds Trey.  Maybe Astro fans don't care, but us Cards' fans certainly do (sorry Trey, had to knock the Astros).  I think it also shows what a great place this site is for Cards' baseball.

As far as the velocity goes, yes I'd like to see it up there, but he's young and will probably get stronger.  Don't forget that he can break 90, but he  gets hit harder.  See Kyle Farnsworth.  After all, how hard did Tudor throw?

Thanks for the interview LB

by stash3630 on Jul 11, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very nice
but where is the flat bill!?

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe
they can't afford irons in low-A ball.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Hat
Is it just me or is that HIDEOUS?  Powder blue with a ball flying out of a saxaphone?  What marketing genius came up with that?

Those guys must hate having to wear that thing.

OC Cards Fan

by OCCardsFan on Jul 11, 2006 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what does the rest of the uniform look like?
He looks to be wearing a St Louis batting practice jersey.

by Schnake on Jul 11, 2006 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night
Anybody watch the show on The Science Channel about Bill James and sabermetrics? I've been a big fan of his for a while and while I didn't see much that I didn't already know, it was kind of nice to see people talking intelligently about it.

Not so intelligent was the slip-up they had about 25 minutes into the program. They showed that the equation for on base percentage was:

OBP = (Hits + Walks + HBP)/At Bats

Idiots! You have a show basically about Bill James and you screw up one of the simpler formulas in baseball statistics. (Should be Plate Appearances, not At Bats) C'mon guys, we're not asking you to recreate the myriad of equations to determine Win Shares.

All in all, not a bad show. Although I could have done without the obligatory video of the 2004 World Series.

by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true, but
does the average science channel editor know the difference between a plate appearance and an at bat?
http://rabidredbird.blogspot.com

by gthedamned on Jul 11, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this follow the same rule
in Anchorman that Ron Burgundy will read anything put up on the teleprompter and can't think for himself?

I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly...

How hard would it be to have a fact checker look up the definition on-line?

by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI: It's on again today
at 2:00pm est.

I'm DVR'ing it.

by stash3630 on Jul 11, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I was wrong as well
It's [Plate Appearances - Sacrifice Hits]

by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James' All-time team...
I saw the program last night. It was very interesting and shed some light on a few of Sabermetrics rules that go against the grain of old-school thought.

For example, according to Sabermetrics, you should NEVER sacrifice bunt. The probability that your team will score goes down drastically with each out, so it's better to just let the batter hit away than sacrifice. Also, stolen bases are not important. The probability that you will score is not worth the risk of making an out for a stolen base.

One other factoid that I found interesting was the role of the closer. According to Sabermetrics, the best time to bring in the closer is when your team is down by one run or the score is tied. This is usually in the seventh inning. The reasoning behind this is if you are up by 2 runs or more in the ninth, it is a high probability that you will win no matter who you bring in. Can you imagine Tony bringing in Izzy in the seventh inning during a tight ball game?! Or maybe Josh Kinney in the ninth with a 2-run lead.

One last thing, there are no reliable stats or metrics for defensive play. Sabermetrics is not reliable for analyzing a player's defensive skills. Bill James said that defense is the next quest for Sabermetrics.

It was an excellent show. I learned a lot about Sabermetrics that I did not know.

Here is Bill James' all-time team:

C - Yogi Berra
1B - Lou Gehrig (no other player close at his position)
2B - Joe Morgan (James said that Morgan is one of the ideal Sabermetric players)
SS - Honus Wagner (no other player close at his position)
3B - Mike Schmidt (only hit .270 but high walks and HRs, excellent defense)
LF - Ted Williams (his hitting was so good that it made up for his poor defense)
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Babe Ruth
P - Roger Clemens

by jdubya on Jul 11, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bunting/stealing....
... can be convenient if your team is designed to do it. Of course, if you take averages, you take bad teams in as well... Just imagine an average of 2006 Cards with 1985 Cards, the outcome is that stealing/bunting would not be such a good idea, but it payed off very well for 1985 Cards...

Sabermetrics, as all statistics, must be handled with care....

GO CARDS!!!!

by SuperSeve on Jul 11, 2006 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bunting
isn't ALWAYS a sabermetric sin...

For instance, with a man on 1st and nobody out, while the PROJECTED AVERAGE RUNS SCORED will drop with a successful sac bunt that pushes the runner to second, the chance that AT LEAST ONE RUN WILL SCORE does in fact go up.

In other words, you increase your odds of getting that one critical run (say, if the game is tied late) but you decrease your odds of having a multi-run inning.

And, of course, this is all assumes average pitcher/runners/hitters, etc., wihtout taking in to account who's on deck, who's in the bullpen, etc., so any given situtaion may have specifics that would change the odds---like, say, if it's a pitcher batting (then a bunt is usually a good play).

by salvomania on Jul 11, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes --- that's the danger
of taking the one-size-fits-all, macro statistics as gospel. it's a situational game, and the risks/rewards of various strategies shift depending on the situation -- ie depending upon the inning, score, # of outs, hitter/pitcher matchup, etc etc.

by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but I will
always, always hate bunting after a leadoff double.  I can't watch that strategy used without having a small stroke.  It's shaving years off my life, I tell you.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 11, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Trading an out for the advance to third gives the defense more than it gives us, and even a terrible AB (e.g., Encarnacion in April, or Duncan at his worst) has a slight chance of bringing the runner home from second.

by madridbend on Jul 11, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The show did say that Sabermetrics
is just one factor in the decision making of baseball strategy. It's not the be-all end-all. James even reiterated this point and said that managers should use Sabermetrics to help their decision making. I should have written this in my original post.

Terry Francona said that he considers James & Sabermetrics to be very important but that he does not always agree with Sabermetrics.

by jdubya on Jul 11, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ironic,
isn't it, that one of the the most visible critics of the sabrmetric point of view, J. Morgan, is rated as nearly a perfect player from the sabrmetric viewpoint...

by jfs on Jul 11, 2006 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh great...
another reason for Morgan to pat himself on the back...

by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?
  1. He doesn't need a reason to do that, and
  2. he wouldn't trust it anyway, because a computer and a guy who never played the game said it.

by Quietude on Jul 12, 2006 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Very interesting interview, lboros. Thanks for doing it. I'm curious what you and others make of his description of his pitches. Like you, I thought he would be well into the 90s. When he said he topped out in the upper 80s, I thought, ``Well, he must have great movement.'' Then he said that bit about his fastball being flat. His control is certainly impressive this year -- 15 walks in 70 innings -- but wasn't as good in past years, and he was still striking out a batter an inning, both in college and the pros. So what accounts for all the strikeouts?

I'm disappointed to hear he's going into the bullpen. He seems too successful as a starter at this early stage not to keep giving him a starter's innings.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he described his curveball
as his out pitch, and at that level a lot of guys have trouble with a big-breaking curve. so my guess is that's how he gets all the whiffs.

it may be that the scouts think batters at higher levels will be able to handle that curve, which (if true) would weaken trey's most effective weapon. just a guess as to why he's going back to the bullpen, and why he's never talked about as a top prospect.

still, results mean a lot. if he keeps getting guys out, he'll get his chance to move up a level and see how well those hitters can handle him.

by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

modest
he seems like a pretty modest kid.  Maybe his movement is better than he says it is.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In watching the AL Central carve us up
I was really impressed at how radically a lot of those pitchers were changing speeds against us---I mean mid-60s, upper-80s, constantly varying. And it wasn't just the occasional slow curve---lots of more or less "straight pitches" (changeups, I suppose) were coming in at like 72.

I think that's one reason why our hiiters looked so bad--they'd take a straight change right down the pipe for strike 3 just because they were folled so badly.

Our guys seem to throw within a much more narrow range. I mean, Suppan should be throwing 60 mph every now and again---the typical hitter would be so far out in front he'd never be able to get good wood on it, unless he knew it was coming; and if it was THAT slow, he'd still probably be able to only foul it off.

by salvomania on Jul 11, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when mulder was on
early in the year, he was changing speeds well --- 87ish on the fastball, high 60s on his curve. and he was throwing em both with precision.

reyes also was changing speeds verrry effectively in his 1st few starts; not nearly as well the last 2 or 3.

by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lboros
i sure hope duncan isnt telling him the ole pitch-to-contact strategy is the way to go...his changeup looked beautiful when he was mixing it in often. it seemed like he just didnt even bother with it the past few outings.

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, where has
that changeup gone?

by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learned my lesson
on change of speeds this weekend.  I play fast-pitch softball and in an over 30 baseball leauge, got invited by a friend to play in his slow-pitch league. Hell I couldn't hit a thing, it took four atbats for me to dent something.  Changing speeds is huge.  

My point here is, I think this is something of a league thing.  American league pitchers traditionaly have thrown a higher percentage of off-speed pitches than national league pitchers.  It is a weird by-product of the DH.  I bet this correspand with how comfortable they are with those pitches.

by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Changing speeds
First post, lboros, and I love the site.  Great content thanks to you and the rest of the flock.  Keep it comin'!

I am convinced there is a lot to the importance of changing speeds - a hitter's balance is critical to taking a good pass at a pitch.  It's especially imortant to someone like Suppan who doesn't have electric or overpowering stuff.  I live in Atlanta and went to the Suppan et al debacle when we lost 14-4 (July 5th).  As I was trying to figure out what was going on with Suppan the first 4 innings, I kept one eye on the pitch speed indicator at Turner Field.  In the 1st and 4th, when they scored all the runs, every pitch looked the same - and the speed was 87-89 on every one.  It was batting practice for the Braves - same pitch, same speed.  In the 2nd and 3rd when he retired them in order he was varying speeds nicely - everwhere from 71 to 89 on the gun.  The pitches didn't look same and the Braves weren't sitting on every pitch like they did in the 1st and 4th.  I have no idea why he didn't vary speeds more in the off innings - the pattern was clear to me in the stands.

by wildman on Jul 11, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrific interview, lboros
Looks like the kid's got a good head on his shoulders.

Interesting that he says that Eversgerd, the QC pitching coach, isn't pushing him to change his repertoire...would it be better to start this process in A ball or wait (a la Reyes) to AAA to force him to learn to throw a heavy 2 seam fastball (as seems to be a requirement for Cardinal pitchers)?

by brdsnbt on Jul 11, 2006 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think
maybe he just means the pitching coach isn't forcing him to change his mechanics or anything, he is letting him do what works. like hearne said, he would like to get more movement on his fastball, as it is pretty flat right now. so im sure he is working on that as often as he can.

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

limitations
I hope he does good, but he described his limitations very well.  He has a not-to-fast fastball without much movement and an easily recognizable curve-ball.  I think he will get killed in double-A with these flaws.  He needs to start refining the curveball/fastball and ditch the rest of his pitches if he plans on making it as a reliever.

by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suppan
Hey, I'll take a Jeff Suppan in the 28th round every day and twice on Sunday. Even if Trey just makes it as a nondescript middle reliever I will be thrilled. Remember, league average performance for league min salary = more money to spend on difference makers.

by mikedallas23 on Jul 11, 2006 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff
Hey if we could develop a handfull of jeff suppans in out minor league system, think of how much money that would save them team.  A rotation with a couple jeffs at the back, a couple of hammers at the top, and a 3 starter that has a chance at winnning a playoff game is what you need to win a playoff series.

Anyone check the prospect hot sheet over a BA.  They got Ottavino school wrong, but he made the sheet. I am thinking "Doc Ott" for his nickname.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/hotsheet/261902.html

by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things
  1. Jon Jay is listed in the "In The Team Picture" section.
  2. Given how thoroughly he washed out of the majors several years ago, I had a mental image of Tatis as a 35 year old journeyman, bouncing around the minors, unwilling to let go of the dream. He is only 31! Not that I'm willing to take a flyer on him, but interesting nonetheless.

by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like
they got Ottavino's info fixed. It's good to see some Cards minor leaguers starting to get some national recognition. Maybe this is a sign that one of these days we won't have to hear about how terrible the Cards' system is anymore.

by stlnd on Jul 11, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Great interview, VEB.  Thanks.

by snakestl on Jul 11, 2006 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff
Nice interview lboros. From the few minutes I chatted with him, it was obvious Hearne's a great kid and very down-to-earth. Thanks for giving us all a bit more background on him. I'm sure I'll be one of many pulling for him to make it up to the bigs and have success.

Also, are we sure that Hearne is heading back to the bullpen for good? This article about McCormick's return from the DL says Hearne's bullpen appearance was a planned deal. The relevant quote was "Trey Hearne, who was originally scheduled to start the game, will take the hill after McCormick reaches his predetermined pitch limit." Could that possibly mean they just didn't want to throw off Hearne's schedule, and since they knew McCormick would only go a few innings decided to basically go with two starters? Just a thought, as I'm hoping Hearne continues to get a shot to show what he can do in the rotation.

by stlnd on Jul 11, 2006 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good interview
Not to be a stickler for details, but I posted briefly on Hearne a couple weeks before others.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/6/1/2314/93687/106#106
I'm not trying to be cocky or "hey look at me", just stating the facts.
Stuck in Packer hell.

by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry i missed that
but it's buried in comment #106 of a long thread . . . . DCGreg posted a diary.

by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang!
Does this mean I have to change the "Discovered Trey Hearne" line on my resume?
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

soriano
Newsday: "The Yankees, missing both corner outfielders with serious injuries, have interest in Soriano, but they don't believe they'll be able to meet the Nationals' asking price. The Angels and Cardinals could intensify their interest as the deadline approaches."

okay if it's too steep for Yanks, what could Angels or cards offer???

by punchinjudy on Jul 11, 2006 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

prospects
the angels are very deep with prospects. they even have another pitcher in triple a who should be in the majors right now, but they dont have anywhere to put him.

the yankees could easily have soriano if theyd give up hughes.

as for the cardinals...i have no idea. it'd take reyes, probably.

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

soriano
if it's reyes and reyes only, don't you have to do that deal?  i mean....soriano's issues are well chronicled.  i saw them up close here in dallas for a few years.  he's prone to concentration lapses.  he's defense is average at best.  but there is just no denying the guy's prowess at the plate.  he's a stud.  even when everyone was down on him and saying how he won't be able to hit up in washington, he's having probably as good of a year as he's had in the bigs.

color me as someone who would go after this guy hard.  they want reyes?  i'd do it right this second.  i have a small crush on reyes, but we have arms.  sure, maybe all of them are not "star" quality (understatement).  but soriano would solve some problems for us...either at second or in left.

man, i wish this would happen.  can you imagine soriano, pujols, rolen, edmonds in the heart of our order?  makes me feel kind of funny....like when i used to climb the rope in gym class.  

but i just don't see it.  he's too expensive and we are just way, way, way too cheap.  bring on luis gonzalez, i guess.

by busch league on Jul 11, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get...
the fascination with Soriano. He's a lifetime .279 .322 .505, a little better this year, a little worse last year. He plays in a pitcher's park, but does much better at home than away. He gets caught stealing so much he simply shouldn't try anymore. He's a young, wildly overpriced Reggie Sanders.

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes!
His career SB percentage is 79 percent, last year 94 percent (!!), and this year 74 percent. He certainly SHOULD keep running.

As for his home/away splits this year, he is indeed better at home.  And in a cavernous place like RFK, where run scoring is at a premium, that makes his run creation there even more valuable.  In other words, why isn't his performance at home a point in his favor?

I would take Soriano in a heartbeat over any season Reggie Sanders has EVER had.  He's an electric player.  Would I trade Reyes for him now, without any guarantee he would re-sign with us?  No, but for a sign-before-trade deal, I'd go for it without hesitation.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 11, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fascination...
i wouldn't exactly use the term "fascination," but i do get a bit giddy when i consider adding a guy to our line-up who has averaged 36 bombs and 100 rbi's the previous 4 years.  and is on pace to put down 50 and 120 this year.

i'll give you over-priced though.  but then, in the age of $55/5 to....excuse me....a.j. burnett, who the hell isn't over-priced???  okay, yeah...carp isn't.

and obviously, you don't give away reyes if you are only getting soriano for half of a year.  you'd have to lock him in for awhile.  no one would advocate giving reyes away for half a year.  that's just cooky-talk.  

 

by busch league on Jul 11, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't take Soriano
If I were a GM, I would not take Soriano right now for, and I wouldn't trade Reyes for him.  Reyes is the future of the club, and he has the potential to be a fantastic pitcher.  I would not give him away with that risk for Soriano who desperately wants to play in the American League, and will more than likely be playing in the AL for next year.  Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't trade the future for a rent-a-player.

by BigdJC on Jul 11, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have to ask
how much of Soriano are you getting.  The answer is: the rest of the year.  Then he's a free agent.  It's a salary dump for DC.  You don't trade your best prospect for three months of an expensive player.
8/13/79- Lou Brock 3000 hits

by lb3000 on Jul 11, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

miguel cabrera
Miguel Cabrera, the Marlins' talented third baseman who has been linked to trade rumors despite owner Jeffrey Loria's insistence that he won't be moved, said he would like to play for a Spanish-speaking manager. The Giants, and manager Felipe Alou, would love to acquire a hitter whose contract they can control. -- San Francisco Chronicle

lets get tlr some spanish classes, pronto!

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
speaks spanish very well actually.
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Jul 11, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad...
that even speaking Spanish, TLR still is a dick.
Stuck in Packer hell.

by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Larussa is...
a hall of fame manager that gets a lot of respect from his players and saves lost puppies.  It's either one or the other... :)

Can you imagine a LaRussa led team losing his players like Dusty?  

"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Jul 11, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's an interview
with TLR on ESPNDeportes.com that is done in Spanish. He's quite fluent...

by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...
He's fluent in Spanish.

That's why he's gone out to the mound instead of Duncan sometimes (well, not this year since there's no Hispanic pitchers on the staff).

Specifically, I'm remembering the Steve Kline flip-off game as an example of that.

by whopperman on Jul 11, 2006 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera's work ethic
I was at a Nats-Marlins game the other day, and someone on the Nats hit a grounder to the hole on the left side in the first inning. It sure looked like Cabrera could have gotten to it with a dive, but he didn't even make an effort and instead let the ball go through for a hit.

And if I'm not mistaken, a few days later Cabrera got in a confrontation with his pitcher after he lollygagged after a ball that had bounced off his glove.

No question he's got great numbers, but his work ethic doesn't strike me as being, say, Pujolsian.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cabreras play
the one where it bounced off his glove, it didnt really have anything to do with lollygagging...he just isnt a great 3rd baseman. i think he took his eye off it.

nice of his pitcher to try to smack him around for making a mistake in the field.

and he is 23...he can still get an attitude change...maybe playing with albert would help that out a bit?

by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw it only once, but
it seemed like he really dogged it after the ball went off his glove and bounced toward the stands. He just trotted over to retrieve the ball. which I think was a good 40-50 feet from him. Not sure, but it wouldn't shock me if that let someone take an extra base.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too much of a prima donna?
Cabrera may already be too much of a prima donna, but I think he would benefit immensely from having Albert Pujols and Yadi Molina to explain what professionalism means.

Of course, Manny Ramirez is still Manny Ramirez, so good examples are not always enough.

by madridbend on Jul 11, 2006 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a jerk
but a jerk who wins

by punchinjudy on Jul 11, 2006 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding...
what do you want? Mr. Rogers? The most important thing at this level is to win. If he was coaching my 7 year old it would be different.

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR...
I don't want Mr. Rogers, but my "dick" comment stemmed from the frustrations of having him continue to throw up Marquis, Suppan, Ponson and Mulder when there was Reyes and Wainwright.  I think judging players on experience rather than talent is a dick move.  

by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR's a number's guy...
...maybe the thought of putting someone on the mound with little to no statistical history in the Bigs gives him cold sweats in the middle of the night.

Sometimes, I think of TLR as a Howard Hughes/John Nash hybrid, locking himself in a room, looking at glowing numbers on the stat page of the local newspapers, mumbling under his breath and filling in imaginary rosters over and over and over...

Just wish Jocketty would force his hand every once in awhile.

*First post, but long-time fan!

by EckEqualsClutch on Jul 11, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
I'm not sure TLR is that neurotic. Then again maybe he is.  He is a pretty weird guy, but his track record shows he is a solid manager so I'll generally trust his judgement with baseball stuff (or saving puppies stuff, I guess).  Anyways welcome to the VEB communtiy EckEqualsClutch.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

26 Seasons...
2214 Wins, 4 World Series Appearences, 1 Ring.
TLR can get you to the promised land, you just dont' get the ring.  
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Connie Mack
won "only" 5 titles in 50 years, so what?

by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just using that to...
reinforce my belief that TLR is not the guy who can get us the ring.  No need to get up in arms, we all have opions, and I'm just stating mine.
If you like TLR, good for you.  I sincerely hope I am wrong about him.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot...
10 division titles. Not too shabby. He should have won more rings with Oakland, but consider: in 1988 and 1990 they ran into teams of destiny that were playing their best ball (Los Angeles and Cincinnati); and in St. Louis, he's made the best of teams that had little to no power pitching, a history of playing their best baseball in June, July, and August, and weak bats in the post-season.

Some of this, of course, is TLR's fault, but I don't think he's to blame for everything. Several of our division winners here had no business in the World Series (I'm thinking 1996 and 2002 in particular), and of all his teams here, I think only 2001 and 2004 (w/a healthy Carpenter) were the only teams that could have actually won a WS.

by matt reeder on Jul 11, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention
when they go and get re-treads or has beens for the guy...

Finley(even though he did well)
Suppan(journeyman...seeing why this yearIMO)
Ponson(ick)
Tomko
Kyle(who turned it around)but still they got him from Colorado
was
fernando Valezuela(was that TLR days?)
they do goo with re treads, but youd like to see them occasionaly get them a big arm...which we could all argue about this last FA year...if they could do it all over i would have them go after beckett..

by punchinjudy on Jul 11, 2006 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not surprising
but Yadi was the worst NL catcher for the first half of the season, according to baseball prospectus' VORP

by PGeorge on Jul 11, 2006 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does VORP....
take into account nailing Munson in the bottom of the ninth on Sunday or Giles a few weeks ago to end a game?

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Among NL catchers
with at least 70 at bats, there are 7 catchers who have WPA's worse than Yadier Molina (-64.6): Miguel Ojeda, Brian Schneider, Ronny Paulino, Sal Fasano, Danny Ardoin, Chad Moeller, and Brad Ausmus (-165.2, over 100 pts worse).

And that doesn't take into account defense, especially game changing plays like the two 9th inning pickoffs.

by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take
Yadi's bad offense and his stellar defense for the league minimum any day.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so would I.
I mean, I'd like to see more production out of him, but his defense makes up for his offense any day of the week.

by matt reeder on Jul 11, 2006 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it makes up for
.222/.269/.321. I know he's doing well lately, but if he's going to suck every April and May it doesn't much matter.

If he can get back to his 2004 marks, .267/.329/.356, it's a different story.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 11, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly would like
to see some improvement from Yadier, for him to be at mid-season form on Opening Day. But he is what he is and it's not really as bad as it may look.

According to WPA, he's outperforming these catchers:

Toby Hall, TB-LAD (.238 BA, 8 HR, 26 RBI)
Ronny Paulino, PIT (.308/.360/.396)
Rod Barajas, TEX (.263/.300/.411)
Jason Kendall, OAK (.264 BA, 26 Runs)
and 10 others

As a team, we're not that bad. Bennett and Molina combine for -118.7; below average, but better than these teams (the totals aren't exact as this includes at bats registered as a PH or at various defensive positions):

Pittsburgh (Paulino, Cota, Paulino: -140.0)
Washington (Schneider, LeCroy, Fick, Gonzalez: -153.9)
Houston (Ausmus, Munson: -219.0)
Tampa Bay (Hall, Navarro, Paul: -241.3)
Philadelphia (Fasano, Lieberthal, Coste, Ruiz: -245.7)
Colorado (Ardoin, Ojeda, Torrealba, Closser: -259.3)
Oakland (Kendall, Melhuse: -295.6)

As a whole, the American League averages out around -20 for the position, where the National League is closer to -70.

Molina certainly needs improvement, both in overall production and consistency, but he is an above average hitter in the clutch and, I think, the best defensive catcher in the majors, hands down. That combination makes him a league average catcher, making the league minimum; an absolute steal!

by Solanus on Jul 12, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, if you look at those comparisons,
doesn't it seem obvious that an NL team needs to put more of a premium on offense from a catcher?  I like Yadi fine, but damn, having 2 black holes out of 9 slots (3 when Miles is playing) in the lineup is a good way to get buried in the World Series.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 12, 2006 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

skewed
Most of the best offensive catchers I-Rod, Posada, Varitek, Mauer, Victor Martinez, etc. are in the AL that skews that stat considerably so besides those teams I'm sure the AL and NL catchers are about the same average.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 12, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wpa has almost no predictive value.
it's fine as to what he's done this season, but it doesn't mean he's got some sort of skill that makes him more valuable than people who are better hitters than he is.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 13, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think that
Molina has not put up the traditional numbers that you'd like out of a catcher, but has been relatively valuable. (Actually, more valuable than Hector Luna, according to WPA. Hector has the lowest batting WPA on the team - as a total, not on a per-at-bat basis; that goes to Bennett or Schumaker, among non-pitchers.)

If Molina can improve his AVG, XBH, & OBP marginally while maintaining the same focus in critical situations, he can easily be a break-even contributor to the ballclub, without factoring in his defense.

by Solanus on Jul 13, 2006 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the thing is
he's not likely to do that, because his "focus" is probably luck.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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