Game 6 Open Thread: April 9, 2006

ponson marshall
0-0, 0.00 0-0, 0.00
michael barrett, not an experienced pinch-hitter, says he followed john mabry's example yesterday to get himself prepared for his 7th-inning at-bat vs josh hancock. . . . . .
both encarnacion and miles helped ryan dempster in the 9th inning by hacking at the 1st strike they saw . . . actually, it's debatable whether or not encarnacion ever saw a strike. a modicum of patience and he'd have been ahead 2-0 or 3-0 in front of albert. the free-agent outfielder class of 2006 hasn't distinguished itself so far:
- en'cion, 4 for 19
- jeromy burnitz, 4 for 22 with 7 strikeouts
- jacque jones, 0 for 12 with 6 strikeouts
- rondell white, 2 for 19
- matt lawton, suspended
- ken lofton, disabled
april. whatever.
ponson debuts tonight. i don't have such a good feeling; it's unfortunate that his official coming-out as a sober ballplayer has to take place on national tv. good luck to ya, sid.
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Jenc LOB's
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 9, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
I guess I just dont understand the worry wart nature. Its not me. Thank God. I realize he hasn't been good in the early going. I'm only upset that he isn't given the same benefit of the doubt as the other 24 guys on the roster are.
I also feel the Birds win tonight. Ponson goes six, gives up three runs. Cards bats wake up. Then you are sitting at 4-2 after road trips to Philly and Chicago, two of the better teams in the NL.
I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
by beanocook on Apr 9, 2006 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beano...
The similarities ARE there: glaring hole to fill, mediocre veteran whose production is suspect, long-term contract for a lot of money.
In both cases, most fans were against the deal upon its inception---not because they "dislike" a player, but because they recognize what appears to be a really poor fit. At $2 mil a year as a fourth OF, Juanc is fine. And now the early results--almost all negative, to the point where he's been really the most blatantly bad cardinal at the plate, on the bases, and in the field---seem to so overwhelmingly confirm most fans' firts impressions... well, it's tough to not feel down about the guy.
But I can guarantee you that EVERY Cardinal fan is pulling for the guy and wants to see him do well.
by salvomania on Apr 9, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wel put
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
miles
But yes, i do feel bad for Jinks. I am definitely rooting for him, because unless we can trade him, or duncan or rodriguez or someone else go insane with the bat, our season hinges on how well he performs.
And I'm not gonna cut him any slack at all when he does stupid things, trying to be a hero, that keep pujols from batting with the tying run at second.
by SleepyCA on Apr 9, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineups
STL
eck'n ss
encion rf
pujols 1b
rolen 3b
edmonds cf
molina c
taguchi lf
luna 2b
ponson p
CHI
pierre cf
walker 2b
lee 1b
ramirez 3b
barrett c
jones rf
murton lf
cedeno ss
marshall p
by lboros on Apr 9, 2006 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the big leagues, kid
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ponson's first inning:
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duh
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm listening on the radio
by lboros on Apr 9, 2006 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir Sidney
Not so good at bat :)
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early thoughts
Marshall is also throwing well for the Cubs. It helps that none of the Cards have seen him, but he's bustin the lower portion of the zone and getting a ton of ground outs.
And my thoughts on Encarnacion's 2 ab's so far ... he is 0-2, but has had a pair of OK at bats. Marshall is just making some solid pitches.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The curve
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Play
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeez...
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there's Ponson's first cardinal K
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ponson
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Sid gets out of a minor jam... NICE.
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Ray King!
by sdrone on Apr 9, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMI
Howard "Hotel" Hilton 6'3-230 ---> 28.7
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
El Sid > 225?
However, I thought Sid pitched reasonably well (although one mistake got clobbered), he justified the chance he's been given.
The bullpen, however........
by madridbend on Apr 10, 2006 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Buehrle a Cardinal in '07?
by MarcGldstn on Apr 9, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad link
I'd be happy to see Buehrle join the Cards, cept I'd have to learn how to spell his name. But if we could keep Carp and Marquis, bring on Buerhle and develop Wainwright and Reyes...that could be a nice rotation.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good AB, Jim
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy
Anyone else notice that?
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cont...
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's doing that...
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Play!
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey There Swami
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i the only one
by lboros on Apr 9, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chin Up,
Cheer up! (That's an order).
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, its not just you
another question - can the bullpen hold a one run game to Izzy?
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a failed squeeze?
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan's Time!
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Karma
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey - lookie lookie
I know, I know give him a chance...but I'd much rather see someone other than juancion right now
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
At least we can hope he doesn't hit into a DP so Pujols can get a crack at it with some guys on base for once.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K Zone
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juancion's K
Can't blame Juan for that one.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty bad
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al-bert Pu-jols!
(sung to the tune of the "Bob the Builder" theme)
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that pretty...
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds
Was their any sign in spring training that these two might struggle like this?
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy is real streaky
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
extremely
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
Don't give up on these guys too soon!
by SleepyCA on Apr 9, 2006 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yaddy
I'm not giving up, or panicking - we'll win the division again.
Go Cards!
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still like to see more from him offensively
I don't think he's gauranteed to make those numbers at all though
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pons
by MarcGldstn on Apr 9, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that ump sucks..
by amettrick on Apr 9, 2006 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was wrong..
by amettrick on Apr 9, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see
by erik on Apr 9, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
luna
by amettrick on Apr 9, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was some K
by erik on Apr 9, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Wainwright
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
by MarcGldstn on Apr 9, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
by stevenucla on Apr 9, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least that AB
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify "good"
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like a bad AB
by stevenucla on Apr 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Mabes
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of got lucky there
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we got a break there.
by matty fred on Apr 9, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As the ESPN announcers said...
by madridbend on Apr 10, 2006 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably a
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...it's Looper-time
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does this say about how La Russa feels about
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel pretty good about it right now.
by SleepyCA on Apr 9, 2006 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy?
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
by Dr Tom More on Apr 9, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An Opening Day Wish
by Baily on Apr 9, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
o god o god o god
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok ok ok
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...that was tons of fun
by cmat on Apr 9, 2006 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Glad
by glennrwordman on Apr 9, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony blew this
by Dr Tom More on Apr 9, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't say he blew it
He was only at 82 pitches
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My cats
by erik on Apr 9, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
watching that replay of the HR pitch
Izzy doesn't throw hard enough to just miss bats like that. I hope he isn't hurt because that was a reallllllly bad outing by him.
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disgusted
aaaghhhh
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
though I would still
But ugh, that was painful.
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it ain't over yet folks
by erik on Apr 9, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shut up dude, its ovah - just got swept in wrigley
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shut up dude it's ovah?
Anyway, you are probably right, anyway, one observation is Molina. He has sure let a lot of balls get away. Unfortunately, I don't have cable so I'm listening. Are the pitches that bad, or is he just letting 'em get away?
I'd prefer Yadi's arm over Matheny's ball blocking skill, but this is getting a little nuts tonight
by erik on Apr 9, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the pitches from Izzy
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no heart
I am/was only giving up on the game because the team already had. Where was that 'Play a Hard 9' attitude in this series? Where was any proof that any player on the field wearing the STL uni's gave two craps?
That is what has me so angry. Not so much the performance - bc these games, and series happen - but the apparent lack of desire and fight.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piling on
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, the only thing to do now
by Valatan on Apr 9, 2006 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I know this isn't the end of the season
It's hard to watch a series like this especially with the Cubbies.
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This series
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
by CougarCard on Apr 9, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't bode well.
I love the Card's, but I can just see it in them right now. Hopefully they can snap out of it and this series isn't a preview of things to come.. but man, they're giving up this game, just like that gave up last night. It's times like these where they're going to miss Sanders and Walker. I don't care if those guys are older and have lost a step, they wouldn't be sitting there quiet right now. They'd be getting on everybody, and the entire Cardinals team would be fired up right now.
I'm sorry, but even if new additions like Encarnacion manage to rebound and match the stats of last years departures, they're still going to cost the Card's some games.
This is a time where Pujols needs to become a great leader. I'm not saying he isn't a good leader, he is, but the last few years he's been surrounded by other guys that can fire up the team. He was a doing a good job during the Phil's series when everything was going the Card's way, lets see how he responds in times like this.
by CougarCard on Apr 9, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
change of roles
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.500
I'm disappointed in a lot of what took place in chicago, but remember: It's brutally cold, it's early april, and we made a few mistakes. The cubs made some great plays; miles was again robbed of a double in the 9th by a great play by a cubs defender, last night lee and tonight murton, and some good things DID come of this series.
We now know that Ponson CAN pitch against some of the best hitters in the league, and get them out, Scott Rolen can make a baseball go really far again, and Wainright looks damn good on the mound (ok, y'all might have known that before, but I've never seen him pitch on tv before tonight).
It ain't over and we're gonna win the division by 5 games or more (but hopefully less, so we're not so damn complacent come october).
by SleepyCA on Apr 9, 2006 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is early
Every season has defining moments. The make-or-break plays that determine where each team goes. Sometimes those moments come in September and October, and sometimes they come in April. Keep in mind that ballplayers are human just like us and probably have a lot of the same thoughts that some of us are having right now. It is very possible that this series will have an effect on the team from this point forward.
I won't be completely negative, they now have a chance bounce back from this. They could go in one of two ways:
1. They use this as a character building experience. True leaders emerge and carry them through the storm, the team meshes together, and we see just what kind of heart this team has.
or..
2. They sulk, they lay blame, and they give up. Or even worse, they quit giving a damn.
I know we all hope its option #1. The thing is, they need leadership. Like I said earlier unless guys step up in the clubhouse, we're going to miss Reggie Sanders and Larry Walker a lot more than we think. Those guys were strong personalities, and thats something I just don't see in this team right now.
And I might as well take this as an opportunity to pile more on Juan. I'm sorry, but the guy is the exact opposite of what this team needs. Everything I said about personalities and leadership... this guy possess none of those qualities. That might be alright if he was nothing more than a roleplayer, but if he plays as vital a role as Tony says, we're in trouble. This guy is a robot, I bet someone could walk up to him, kick him in the nuts, and he wouldn't even blink.
Maybe we can trade him to Tampa for junk.
Anyway, while I think what happened in this series is very important, how this team reacts in the next few games is going to be more important.
by CougarCard on Apr 10, 2006 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree 100%
by SleepyCA on Apr 10, 2006 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you note
That'd sure be handy.
by sdrone on Apr 9, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looper
by matty fred on Apr 9, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This series disgusts me
I lay it right at the feet of Jockety. Great job shoring up the pitching staff.
Man I can't stand this.
The good thing about Juan'cion's at bats? It means Pujols is coming up next.
Rolen sure is a positive, though. Home run, stolen base, defense.
by sdrone on Apr 9, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a sec
Maybe I should lay this at the feet of DeWitt. ANyway.
I'll tell you. As someone who watched a lot of Cubs games, Pierre and his speed hitting 1st plus Cedeno and his speed hitting 8th makes a HUGE difference in the Cubs lineup.
by sdrone on Apr 9, 2006 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by azruavatar on Apr 9, 2006 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this feels alot like...
Just bizarre and depressing and infuriating all at the same time.
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what happened to
by MarcGldstn on Apr 9, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
long live the mullet
c'ya.
by Zubin on Apr 9, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"MacGyver"
by 26thMan on Apr 9, 2006 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well. that's all she wrote for tonite.
by matty fred on Apr 9, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great segway into tomorrow
by bailorg on Apr 9, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the coming home
by TheFranchise9 on Apr 9, 2006 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
April
We get every october.
by Fitz on Apr 9, 2006 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, both clubs
by Zubin on Apr 10, 2006 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
150 comments...
by SleepyCA on Apr 10, 2006 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweep
by ankeith15 on Apr 10, 2006 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is terrible
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