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following up a few threads from yesterday:

junior spivey: he got his first hit yesterday and didn't strike out in five at-bats, but both matt leach and derrick goold write today that spivey's struggles, combined with a strong early showing by hector luna, have turned 2b into a wide-open race. spivey's track record probably still gives him the benefit of the doubt (as it should), and he's still drawing most of the starts at 2b -- 4 so far, vs. 2 for luna and 1 for miles -- but it sounds as if he better string a few singles together, just to make sure.

victor diaz: i checked his temporal splits and saw something i didn't like. young players often mash the ball their first time around the league, then go ice cold as the league figures them out (see bo hart and, to a lesser extent, john rodriguez). that didn't happen to diaz -- not entirely; he had an .804 ops before the all-star break, .787 after it. but look at his walk-strikeout ratio:

bb so avg obp slg
1st half
(124 at-bats)
24 36 .242 .369 .435
2d half
(156 at-bats)
6 46 .269 .293 .494

what happened here? it looks like the pitchers figured diaz out, and he failed to adjust. that may be what happened -- but there might be another explanation. after showing such great discipline early on, diaz got hurt on june 30 and spent the entire month of july and the first half of august on the dl; don't know what ailed him (anybody?). in his first game back, on august 12, diaz went 3 for 4 with 2 home runs, after which -- perhaps mistaking himself for babe ruth -- he apparently spent the rest of the season swinging at ev'ything, from his heels. typical rookie thing; happens all the time. so i'm gonna interpret the fearful bb-k numbers as evidence of a young player's immaturity -- ie, something he can grow or be coached out of -- rather than exposure of a fatal hole in his swing. it's not as if the pitchers dominated him, after all; he did slug nearly .500 for the half.

for fun i used pinto's lineup toy to gauge the impact a diaz acquisition might have, slotting victor into the #7 hole behind encarnacion (with spivey 2d). result: no change; the lineup projects to 5.0 runs a game, same as if bigbie plays. of course, the toy doesn't account for marginal effects like platoon splits and bench strength; if you could factor those in, you might see a few runs' advantage.

but diaz's main appeal isn't his ability upgrade the current-year roster; it's his ability to provide payroll relief moving forward -- ie to be a solid regular or semi-regular for a few seasons while playing for six figures. if you have him, maybe you can then offload encarnacion's salary next winter -- which, in turn, makes it easier to pick up edmonds' option.

it's not a strong rumor and prob'y won't go anywhere, but i do think a marquis-for-diaz deal (if offered) would be well worth the cardinals' consideration.

miguel cabrera: leave aside the question of whether the cardinals have really, truly begun looking into a trade for cabrera. let's examine the broader premise: are the marlins really shopping him for payroll reasons? a lot of people can't believe it. he's not even arb-eligible yet; his 2006 salary will be just $472K. but he will be arb-eligible this winter, and that's why the marlins are concerned: they don't want to be on the hook for the whopping raise he is certain to get. flash back to 2004, when a similarly precocious superstar -- albert pujols, cabrera's #9 comp at Baseball Reference -- got his first arbitration-eligible contract. he made $7 million in his first arb-eligible year -- and his salary was only that low because albert was in the first year of a 7-year backloaded deal. the following year another young star, adam dunn, made $4.6 million in his first arb-eligible deal; cabrera's a better player and will make more than that, and he's nearly as good as albert and will have four years of salary inflation to drive up his price.

now carry this forward: cabrera gets raised to, say, $8m in 2007; then $10m in 2008 and god knows how much in 2009. (another benchmark -- alfonso soriano is making $10m this season in his last arb-eligible year; cabrera is a better player and will have three years of salary inflation before he reaches that point, so he should be worth $10 million plus you name it.) now: does anybody think the marlins will be back in contention as soon as 2009? fat chance. by the time they're ready to contend again cabrera will be a free agent; hence he is of absolutely no use to them. it makes total sense for them to dump him now and get back some players who will still be affordable by the time florida cycles back into contention. it would be more surprising to see the marlins keep him than trade him.

but then -- wouldn't the same logic apply to dontrelle willis? he signed his first arb-eligible deal this year for $4.6 million, but it's an unusual contract -- the base salary plus bonus equals only $2.9 million, and the rest is either deferred money or incentive bonuses. that will enable the marlins to afford dontrelle for this season; if they can structure a similar deal next off-season, maybe they can still afford him for 2007. but they obviously will want to dump him before the deferred payments come due, and i don't know when that is. in any case, willis -- like cabrera -- will be a free agent long before the marlins get themselves back into contention. he's of no use to them. so fast-forward to midseason: if the cards offered, say, reyes mccormick and haerther for dontrelle . . . wouldn't florida at least have to listen? they just dumped another arb-eligible pitcher, josh beckett -- whose contract is similar in total value to dontrelle's, ~$4.5m -- to boston for a comparable package of prospects. maybe they'd insist on colby rasmus; if so i still think it'd be worth it. by adding dontrelle to carpenter, the cards would have the thing that has beaten them all these years -- the 2-headed monster at the top of the rotation, the schilling-johnson, schilling-pedro, clemens-oswalt type of pairing. with both pitchers locked up through 2008, the cardinals wouldn't have to fear any postseason foe for sev'l years; on the contrary, they would be the feared ones.

ah, sweet daydreams -- just what springtime is made for.

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I think pitchers are worth much more...
So I probably wouldn't trade Marquis for Diaz.  But I certainly wouldn't mind getting Willis!

by sdrone on Mar 9, 2006 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No ailment
He was playing in Triple A:

7/1/05 : Optioned OF Victor Diaz to Triple-A Norfolk and activated 2B Miguel Cairo from the 15-day disabled list.

8/11/05 : Placed OF Mike Cameron on the 15-day disabled list with a broken nose, multiple fractures of both cheekbones and a slight concussion; Recalled OF Victor Diaz from Triple-A Norfolk.

by Neuronix on Mar 9, 2006 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought that
I heard some rumor about them shopping Willis to the Yankees sometime this winter.  Could just be the insane NY media.

by Valatan on Mar 9, 2006 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mig Cab
Couldn't Cabrera expect a better deal elsewhere as a free agent?

Also, why would he want to be one of (what, two?) players with marquee value in Florida on a no-count team barren of talent?

by Red in Chicago on Mar 9, 2006 11:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

headliner value
normally, i'd say the Marlins would want to keep at least one of those guys just to give fans something to buy tickets to see. However, they don't seem to really have an interest in retaining the fan base, as ownership is pursuing a scorched earth policy with Miami because of their refusal to build them a stadium (a wise decision by the city, IMO). The owners want to get a lean franchise to make a deal to move somewhere else, if not perhaps sell the team.

ain't business grand!

by VanRam on Mar 9, 2006 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

moving/selling
willis and cabrera might prove to be valuable when moving or selling the team.  i know they will get expensive, but the marlins payroll right now is about 20 million.  willis and cabrera can get fat pay days and the team payroll is still going to be amongst the lowest in the league.  thats why i think there is a little bit more to it than money (although money is a factor).  they arent so sure they want to lock him up long-term, so they want to see what sort of players they can get for one of the best young hitters who will still be getting paid below market value for the next few years.

by dmb60614 on Mar 9, 2006 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt--
Cabrera AND Willis? Now that is a sweet, sweet daydream. They'll probably get neither, but even one of those two would calm my jitters considerably. Both would put me in a state of nirvana from which I'd never return. Won't happen, but it sure is fun to think about.

by rockin redbird on Mar 9, 2006 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whoa
The thought of Dontrelle wearing the birds on the bat makes me all woozy.   I would gladly give up that combo of prospects for the present and future stud.

by jroman on Mar 9, 2006 12:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ya, really
We'd have to amend the M3P talk to M3P times Cy squared.  

by Valatan on Mar 9, 2006 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Luna?
Younger, cheaper, same/better OPS last year than Eck/Grudz-Spivey...

by salvomania on Mar 9, 2006 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because he can't field?
Luna sorta scares me as an everyday anything.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 9, 2006 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

diaz
i am too lazy to look it up, but from what i have heard diaz has always been known as free swinging.  sort of an all or nothing type.  i am not so sure you can really change that kind of behavior, you can only hope he hits enough homers to make up for it.  

by dmb60614 on Mar 9, 2006 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Swingin' 'n' missin'
Here's his K/AB:

2002 South Georgia (A) : .198 in 349
2002 Jacksonville (AA) : .276 in 152
2003 Jacksonville (AA) : .190 in 316
2003 Binghampton (AA) : .183 in 175
2004 Norfolk (AAA) : .252 in 528
2004 Mets : .294 in 51
2005 Norfolk (AAA) : .276 in 170
2005 Mets : .293 in 280

by Neuronix on Mar 9, 2006 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay it's settled then...
We agree to trade Marquis, Reyes and Thompson, straight up for WIllis and Cabrera. Oh...what the hell, we'll toss in Spivey, too.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 9, 2006 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Crazy three way...
Marquis and Edmonds to the Mets, Diaz and other prospects (I'm sure Lastings Milledge would have to be included) to the Marlins, Cabrera and cash to Cardinals.
Cardinals get a young, cheap outfielder with a ton of potential.  We lose Edmonds, but Cabrera is a better long term investment.
Mets are a win now team, they already have interest in Marquis and could put Edmonds in right or left.
Marlins get the cheap prospects they want.  Only sticking point I see is how much cash the Marlins would send.  In exchange for no cash, we could send a lower caliber player (J-Rod?) to the Mets, Mets could send one less prospect to the Marlins, and we still get Miggy.  
The way I look at it, to afford Miggy after this season we have to lose Edmonds, so might as well do it now and leave some salary room to make a mid season pick up if needed.
Freezing in Wisconsin.

by WiscCard on Mar 9, 2006 3:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we
might all be disapointed when cabrera doesnt come to St. Louis, or ends up with the cubs...Felix Pie rumors are with this as every other rumored trade this offseason...

by punchinjudy on Mar 9, 2006 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

trade
To me it makes much more sense to pursue Willis or to see if we could spin Cabrera to someone else for a big time, young pitcher...maybe a Rich Harden or someone like that.  The problem is, I can't imagine anyone giving up a young (and cheap)#1 pitcher.  We wouldn't trade Carpenter for Cabrera.

We would score a ton of runs w/ Cabrera in left but I think we still need another pitcher at the top of the rotation to win the WS.  

That said, if the fish decide to make Willis available, everyone will come calling and someone is going to have more prospects (and better ones) to offer than us.  I think the same thing's true of Cabrera.

by chuckb on Mar 9, 2006 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

But
We can all dream though...
Freezing in Wisconsin.

by WiscCard on Mar 9, 2006 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Victor Diaz again
If we traded Marquis for Diaz, Cardinal fans would call for blood.  Again, .396 slg against lefties, high strikeout rate, and below average defense.  With quite a few lefties starters now in the central, the other half of the platoon would need to be better addressed on our roster.
Prospects of Diaz class are a dime a dozen and do you see Tony playing this guy on a regular basis.  Nady is even starting over him.
All my friends became Cardinal fans and grew up happy and liberal. I became a Cub fan and grew up imbittered and conservative." -- George Will

by wannabeGedman on Mar 9, 2006 6:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just For Fun
i thought it would be fun to use the trusty-ol' lineup toy ( http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py ) to see what effect cabrera would have in our lineup. using ZIPS projections, i got a optimal lineup of:

rolen
pujols
spivey
cabrera
edmonds
encarnacion
molina
pitcher
eckstein

which produced 5.919 runs per game. that pans out to 959 runs over the course of the season! i know its meaningless, but WOW.

by TaiwanGuy on Mar 9, 2006 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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