weekend thread: project the astros
herewith a compressed preview of the astros, who are -- lest we forget -- the defending nl champions, and very deserving ones. as i've pointed out elsewhere, the astros' unremarkable 89-win total last season misrepresents that team's true quality. they opened the season without their four best hitters from the previous year -- kent and beltran gone via free agency, berkman and bagwell out with injuries -- and hence, not altogether surprisingly, struggled a bit to score runs. they hit rock bottom on may 24, when they stood 15-30 and were dead last in the majors in runs. berkman had just returned to the lineup shortly before that and needed some time to shake off the rust; he started to hit right around june 1. from that point forward -- the last four full months of the year -- houston played .630 baseball and had the best record in the majors at 70-41 (the cards were 67-44). their offense picked up somewhat -- they scored the 6th-most runs in the nl from june 1 forward -- and their pitching remained incredible, as it had been since opening day.
the entire team that staged this impressive four-month display -- and followed it up with convincing wins in the first two rounds of the playoffs -- returns intact . . . . sort of. one big piece, the rog, will not be in uniform to start the year, and he may not pitch for houston at all; we're all supposed to hold our breath until he makes up his mind. but that's only one guy, albeit an extremely valuable one. the 2005 astros, however, survived the loss of three guys (kent beltran bags) whose combined value was much greater than roger's. houston still has a solid 1-2 in the rotation, along with a deep bullpen; they also have some attractive trade coin (including jason lane and two well-regarded triple-a pitchers) with whom they might be able to purchase jose contreras, bronson arroyo, or one of these other mid-rotation starters that has been cycling through the rumor mill for months. (read some fresh houston trade gossip here.) and you can't count the astros out of the running for barry zito's services, should beane decide to trade him midseason. if clemens doesn't return and the stros can't land a decent starter via trade, they may be in some trouble; but if one or the other works out for them, they should be no worse than a top-4 nl staff this year.
i think houston's offense will be improved; berkman will be healthy all season, and preston wilson -- not a great player by any means -- is an upgrade over taveras. no lineup that features brad ausmus and adam everett is going to lead the league in runs, but the 'stros should be solid 1-6 and will have some good options on the bench (burke taveras palmeiro). i think they can bump last year's 693-run output up to 730 runs or so.
since the nl central was created 12 seasons ago, the astros have finished lower than 2d place only 1 time, in 2000 (4th). clemens or no clemens, they'll find their way into the mix this summer -- and may yet give the cardinals fits.
that's all i got time for; please project houston's won-loss, runs scored, runs allowed, and place in the standings for 2006. here's how they have fared in all four categories the last four years:
| record | finish | scored | allowed | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2002 | 84-78 | 2d | 749 (5th) | 695 (6th) |
| 2003 | 87-75 | 2d | 805 (4th) | 677 (3d) |
| 2004 | 92-70 | 2d | 803 (5th) | 698 (4th) |
| 2005 | 89-73 | 2d | 693 (11th) | 609 (1st) |
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26 comments
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my fearless forecast
3d place
730 runs
680 allowed
by lboros on Mar 18, 2006 1:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Same as last yesr
2nd place
713 rs
646 ra
by Zubin on Mar 18, 2006 3:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Without Clemens?
82-80
4th
715 rs
680 ra
by Neuronix on Mar 18, 2006 6:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe the Astros actually had a losing record
by Zubin on Mar 18, 2006 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes more of a difference than
And I just don't think it's realistic to say a pitcher with 211 innings, 185 K, and a 1.87 ERA doesn't matter to a team??? Regardless of his W-L record thats a hard statement for me to swallow.
by azruavatar on Mar 18, 2006 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clemens had a winning record
by Zubin on Mar 19, 2006 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That still doesn't convinve me
I don't think your talking about a 10-12 game loss JUST due to Clemens, but I think you could see a significant 5 game loss simply from his absence. Using Runs Above Average for pitchers, Wandy has a -18, Astacio a -14 and Clemens has a 45. Even granting Clemens return to mortality that is a significant difference.
by azruavatar on Mar 20, 2006 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just losing Clemens
Right now the Astros site has Oswalt, Pettite, Backe, Rodriguez, Astacio as the rotation.
Clemens 1.87 ERA
Astacio 5.67 ERA
So unless they make another acquisiting, I still expect the Astros to hit massive trouble this year. They don't have a future star pitcher in triple A. Jason Hirsh might be OK for the future, but it's still way too early for him to get a spot on the major league rotation.
by Neuronix on Mar 19, 2006 3:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to play in upgraded NL Central
3d
700 scored
680 allowed
by knieriemd on Mar 18, 2006 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
astros
86-76
3rd
725 scored
667 allowed
by chuckb on Mar 18, 2006 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
projects
725 runs allowed
85-77 record
3rd place
by acr on Mar 18, 2006 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and you didn't even project Toronto
by vince eating tarp on Mar 18, 2006 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
by azruavatar on Mar 18, 2006 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we had projected toronto
by lboros on Mar 18, 2006 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
strizz'z
720 Runs scored
678 Runs allowed
by SethWestern on Mar 18, 2006 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carp
by BigMac545 on Mar 18, 2006 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter
How many starting pitchers (w/at least 20 innings or so) have ever ended the spring with an era of 0.00? How well did they end up pitching in the regular season?
I am just curious and thought I might throw this one out to the stat hounds. Info appreciated.
by Toddius396 on Mar 18, 2006 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Astros
Third
700 RS
685 RA
Was there a rule that we had to be consistent? Because I've now picked at least two different teams to finish third.
I'm just not seeing the big increase in runs. Ensberg's due for a slip, and Biggio's on the wrong side of 40.
On an unrelated note, guess which $55 million pitcher has a sore arm?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260318114
by DCGreg on Mar 18, 2006 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Astros Suck
82-80
690-680
They finish 4th.
by Titus Pullo on Mar 19, 2006 1:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How do we get guys like this?
"Once quoted as saying he'd rather be the game's most underpaid player than its most overpaid, Carpenter was ecstatic for his friend [Roy Halladay] but had no second thoughts about his decision last April."
I say to Carp, "Right on, man!" What a superb atitude.
Players like Pujols and Carpenter could give clinics not only on how to play the game, but on how star athletes should conduct themselves publicly. A-Rod, Beltran, and Renteria could learn some things.
by Titus Pullo on Mar 19, 2006 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Off year
This is mainly to be consistent with my suggestion that the Cubs and Brewers are finishing 2nd and 3rd. It's not like the entire division can be over .500.
I'm also counting on the fact that Lidge is now well aware of his mortality.
by STLEdge on Mar 19, 2006 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
two bonus games?
by DCGreg on Mar 19, 2006 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point they have to come back to earth
2nd place
700 scored
650 allowed
by jroman on Mar 19, 2006 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Houston we have a problem
2nd place
715 scored
690 allowed
lots of close games with Oswalt and Petitte with Lidge to close, lots of blow out losses with the other arms throwing.
by riescher on Mar 20, 2006 8:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Astros projection (Roger returns)
2d
RS 745
RA 635
I don't care for them, much, but their pitching is very strong (with Clemens) and they have lots of room to improve their offense.
by madridbend on Mar 20, 2006 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs



















