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weekend thread: project the astros

herewith a compressed preview of the astros, who are -- lest we forget -- the defending nl champions, and very deserving ones. as i've pointed out elsewhere, the astros' unremarkable 89-win total last season misrepresents that team's true quality. they opened the season without their four best hitters from the previous year -- kent and beltran gone via free agency, berkman and bagwell out with injuries -- and hence, not altogether surprisingly, struggled a bit to score runs. they hit rock bottom on may 24, when they stood 15-30 and were dead last in the majors in runs. berkman had just returned to the lineup shortly before that and needed some time to shake off the rust; he started to hit right around june 1. from that point forward -- the last four full months of the year -- houston played .630 baseball and had the best record in the majors at 70-41 (the cards were 67-44). their offense picked up somewhat -- they scored the 6th-most runs in the nl from june 1 forward -- and their pitching remained incredible, as it had been since opening day.

the entire team that staged this impressive four-month display -- and followed it up with convincing wins in the first two rounds of the playoffs -- returns intact . . . . sort of. one big piece, the rog, will not be in uniform to start the year, and he may not pitch for houston at all; we're all supposed to hold our breath until he makes up his mind. but that's only one guy, albeit an extremely valuable one. the 2005 astros, however, survived the loss of three guys (kent beltran bags) whose combined value was much greater than roger's. houston still has a solid 1-2 in the rotation, along with a deep bullpen; they also have some attractive trade coin (including jason lane and two well-regarded triple-a pitchers) with whom they might be able to purchase jose contreras, bronson arroyo, or one of these other mid-rotation starters that has been cycling through the rumor mill for months. (read some fresh houston trade gossip here.) and you can't count the astros out of the running for barry zito's services, should beane decide to trade him midseason. if clemens doesn't return and the stros can't land a decent starter via trade, they may be in some trouble; but if one or the other works out for them, they should be no worse than a top-4 nl staff this year.

i think houston's offense will be improved; berkman will be healthy all season, and preston wilson -- not a great player by any means -- is an upgrade over taveras. no lineup that features brad ausmus and adam everett is going to lead the league in runs, but the 'stros should be solid 1-6 and will have some good options on the bench (burke taveras palmeiro). i think they can bump last year's 693-run output up to 730 runs or so.

since the nl central was created 12 seasons ago, the astros have finished lower than 2d place only 1 time, in 2000 (4th). clemens or no clemens, they'll find their way into the mix this summer -- and may yet give the cardinals fits.

that's all i got time for; please project houston's won-loss, runs scored, runs allowed, and place in the standings for 2006. here's how they have fared in all four categories the last four years:

record finish scored allowed
2002 84-78 2d 749 (5th) 695 (6th)
2003 87-75 2d 805 (4th) 677 (3d)
2004 92-70 2d 803 (5th) 698 (4th)
2005 89-73 2d 693 (11th) 609 (1st)

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my fearless forecast
87-75
3d place
730 runs
680 allowed

by lboros on Mar 18, 2006 1:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Same as last yesr
89-73
2nd place
713 rs
646 ra

by Zubin on Mar 18, 2006 3:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Without Clemens?
The way I see it the problem at the start of the season wasn't the lack of offense, it was the lack of depth in the rotation. A lot will depend on Clemens this year. If they don't keep him - and it's sure starting to look that way - I expect them to drop.

82-80
4th
715 rs
680 ra

by Neuronix on Mar 18, 2006 6:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I believe the Astros actually had a losing record
in games Clemens started.  Losing Clemens won't hurt them nearly as much as everyone thinks.

by Zubin on Mar 18, 2006 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it makes more of a difference than
you might think initially.  Even if they didn't do well W/L wise he was still pitching late into games as he kept the team close.  If a different pitcher goes out and gets smashed out after 4 innings thats a lot of wear and tear that falls onto bullpen arms.  

And I just don't think it's realistic to say a pitcher with 211 innings, 185 K, and a 1.87 ERA doesn't matter to a team??? Regardless of his W-L record thats a hard statement for me to swallow.

by azruavatar on Mar 18, 2006 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clemens had a winning record
at 13-8, but I believe in his starts the 'stros had a nominaly losing record.

by Zubin on Mar 19, 2006 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That still doesn't convinve me
that Astacio or Rodriguez is going to provide them with 211 innings.  Whoever you slot to fill Clemens spot is like to pitch somewhere around 30-40 fewer innings.  They just aren't good enough to keep their pitch counts down.  That's 30-40 more innings that bullpen has to pick up...not an easy task. Astacio had 14 starts w/ 8 relief appearances and totaled 81 innints while Rodriquez had 22 starts w/ 3 relief appearances for a grand total of 129 innings.  Those innings have to go somewhere and presumably they fall on the bullpen arms.  

I don't think your talking about a 10-12 game loss JUST due to Clemens, but I think you could see a significant 5 game loss simply from his absence.  Using Runs Above Average for pitchers, Wandy has a -18, Astacio a -14 and Clemens has a 45.  Even granting Clemens return to mortality that is a significant difference.

by azruavatar on Mar 20, 2006 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not just losing Clemens
It's not losing Clemens that hurts that much, it's who they have to fill the empty rotation spot.

Right now the Astros site has Oswalt, Pettite, Backe, Rodriguez, Astacio as the rotation.

Clemens 1.87 ERA

Astacio 5.67 ERA

So unless they make another acquisiting, I still expect the Astros to hit massive trouble this year. They don't have a future star pitcher in triple A. Jason Hirsh might be OK for the future, but it's still way too early for him to get a spot on the major league rotation.

by Neuronix on Mar 19, 2006 3:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

astros
Wilson is an upgrade over Taveras, but he wouldn't be replacing Taveras in the lineup.  He's going to play RF or LF while Taveras stays in center.  Therefore, he either replaces Lane or Bagwell and isn't much of an upgrade over either.

86-76
3rd
725 scored
667 allowed

by chuckb on Mar 18, 2006 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

'stros
84-78

710 RS
680 RA

3rd

matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Mar 18, 2006 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

projects
750 runs scored
725 runs allowed
85-77 record
3rd place

by acr on Mar 18, 2006 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sigh
I'm breathing a small sigh of relief at the moment that that isn't our $55 million that might have just hurt himself...regardless of the actual injury I don't want those kinds of concerns for our team right now.

by azruavatar on Mar 18, 2006 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if we had projected toronto
he'd be on the 60-day dl . . . .

by lboros on Mar 18, 2006 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

strizz'z
86-76 3rd place behind the Broo-has
720 Runs scored
678 Runs allowed

by SethWestern on Mar 18, 2006 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carp
How good is Chris Carpenter? He has still yet to give up a run so far in spring training after todays 5 scorelss innings. Is it possible that Carp is even better than he pitched last year? We may be looking at the best pitcher in all of Baseball. Good thing we already have the best hitter in all of Baseball!

by BigMac545 on Mar 18, 2006 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter
I don't know where the best place to post this question is, but:

How many starting pitchers (w/at least 20 innings or so) have ever ended the spring with an era of 0.00?  How well did they end up pitching in the regular season?

I am just curious and thought I might throw this one out to the stat hounds.  Info appreciated.

by Toddius396 on Mar 18, 2006 6:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Astros
82-80
Third
700   RS
685   RA

Was there a rule that we had to be consistent?  Because I've now picked at least two different teams to finish third.

I'm just not seeing the big increase in runs. Ensberg's due for a slip, and Biggio's on the wrong side of 40.

On an unrelated note, guess which $55 million pitcher has a sore arm?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260318114

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Mar 18, 2006 9:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Astros Suck
It's the simple truth.  Even with those stupid Crawfish boxes.   I'll give 'em two games over.

82-80
690-680

They finish 4th.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 19, 2006 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How do we get guys like this?
From the P-Dispatch:

"Once quoted as saying he'd rather be the game's most underpaid player than its most overpaid, Carpenter was ecstatic for his friend [Roy Halladay] but had no second thoughts about his decision last April."

I say to Carp, "Right on, man!"  What a superb atitude.  

Players like Pujols and Carpenter could give clinics not only on how to play the game, but on how star athletes should conduct themselves publicly.  A-Rod, Beltran, and Renteria could learn some things.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 19, 2006 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Off year
2006  82-82 4th 702 scored 689 allowed

This is mainly to be consistent with my suggestion that the Cubs and Brewers are finishing 2nd and 3rd.  It's not like the entire division can be over .500.

I'm also counting on the fact that Lidge is now well aware of his mortality.

by STLEdge on Mar 19, 2006 5:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

two bonus games?
Edge, do you mean 81-81?
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Mar 19, 2006 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At some point they have to come back to earth
83-79
2nd place
700 scored
650 allowed

by jroman on Mar 19, 2006 6:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Houston we have a problem
86-76
2nd place
715 scored
690 allowed

lots of close games with Oswalt and Petitte with Lidge to close, lots of blow out losses with the other arms throwing.

by riescher on Mar 20, 2006 8:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Astros projection (Roger returns)
90-72
2d
RS 745
RA 635
I don't care for them, much, but their pitching is very strong (with Clemens) and they have lots of room to improve their offense.

by madridbend on Mar 20, 2006 10:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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