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health hath no fury

will carroll posted his stl team health report at baseball prospectus today. he calls the cardinals "a good team that is shouldering a considerable amount of risk; one injury to the wrong guy or the wrong spot could drop them back into the middle of an NL Central race."

and carroll?s ratings make it seem as if that the dreaded "injury to the wrong guy" is pretty likely to happen. all four of the cardinals? best players ? pujols, edmonds, rolen, and carpenter ? get a "yellow light" rating, carroll?s symbol for moderate injury risk. another key player, jason isringhausen, gets a red light (ie, high injury risk). so by this system, the odds are pretty high that at least one of these five irreplaceable players will miss some time.

if you?re not familiar with carroll?s system, here?s an article evaluating it. it is basically a way of assigning risk; a green light means a player has less than a 25 percent risk of injury; yellow equals a 25 to 49 percent risk; and red means 50 percent or above. it?s empirically a pretty accurate system: last year 51 percent of the players rated "red light" spent some time on the dl; 39 percent of the yellow lights did likewise; and 27 percent (an elevated figure) of the green lights were disabled.

a few excerpts from the stl health report:

  • pujols: "At some point, the chronic foot problem is going to catch up to him. I just have no idea what point that is. He?s played through that and a torn UCL in his throwing elbow. Short of kryptonite, I don?t think he can be stopped.
  • rolen: "Rolen came back from a similar injury before, so that?s a plus. It?s an all-or-nothing recovery, so that?s a minus."
  • edmonds: "He?s not injury prone anymore, but CFers age quickly and suddenly--see Griffey, Finley, et al.
  • izzy: "Thinking of Izzy like Mariano Rivera isn?t a bad idea--they both have one problem a year and are great the rest of the time."
  • anthony reyes: "Reyes is only good when healthy, which is seldom. His mechanics are worse than when he was at USC."
only one everyday player on the team gets a "green light" (ie, low risk) rating ? eckstein. junior spivey?s rated red ("a fragile player with a wrist injury"), ev?ybody else yellow.

i?m not sure, but i think this is a subscriber-only article; here?s the link, in any case.

the cardinals lead the braves 9-0 through eight innings in kissimmee. chris duncan has homered again, his 3d of the spring, and is 3 for 4 today; scott spiezio launched his 2d hr and has 4 rbi. edmonds and rolen each got 2 hits before departing. carpenter started for st louis and threw four no-hit innings; hancock, thompson, and nelson have since followed. deivi cruz started at 2b; luna subbed in at shortstop and is 1 for 2. spivey has the day off.

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Molina?
Why is Molina's age a factor against him?

Nice article about Spiezio in the St. Louis paper today.  

by sdrone on Mar 13, 2006 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get that.
Molina will be 24 years old in July.  Did Carrol confuse Yadier with one of his older brothers perhaps?
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Mar 13, 2006 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...
If you're not talking about increasing injury proneness (and he doesn't seem to be), how is Griffey an example of a CF'er who aged quickly? He peaked early, obviously, but he slugged .576 last year.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 13, 2006 8:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure but...
...last year was a "finally recovered, maybe" year for Griffey.

by sdrone on Mar 13, 2006 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but even before that,
When he was--I guess--falling so fast, he put up OPS+es of 128, 130, 100, 140, and 128 since joining the Reds, which to me doesn't seem like aging particularly faster than anybody else. I'm just not sure what he was going for, there; it would have made more sense if he had gone with Dale Murphy, but even then there are players at all positions who've suffered these kind of declines.

I get the feeling sometimes that Carroll comes to a conclusion like this, and then tries to shoehorn some players or cases into it, when it should probably be the other way around. I do it, too, but I don't get the same kind of scratch he does.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 13, 2006 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no Griffey fan but...
...what good are good stats for a position player who only plays half a year?

Games played...

1998 SEA 161
1999 SEA 160
2000 CIN 145
2001 CIN 111
2002 CIN 70
2003 CIN 53  
2004 CIN 83

And then the "recovery" in 2005.  We'll see how he does.

by sdrone on Mar 14, 2006 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is,
Carroll wasn't talking about health concerns, he was talking about skills decline. And aside from defense--which is driven by the injuries--he hasn't declined all that much, and certainly not any more than a usual hitter.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 14, 2006 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carroll's system
It's pretty much impossible for a catcher to get a green light in this system - at least in looking at other teams' reports. Even if you have a healthy track record, age puts you in the yellow/red range. Yadier probably has one of the healthiest futures out there (even with his DL stint last year).
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." - Jim Bouton

by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Mar 13, 2006 9:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does Miles play short?
If not, (and assuming that Coach Duncan makes good on his threat to carry 12 pitchers into the opener) doesn't that mean that Luna has to make the team?  Otherwise, who's our back-up shortstop, right?  So we end up taking Luna rather than Daubach or Duncun?  

On the other hand, if Miles doesn't play short, shouldn't we dump him, and keep Luna as the back-up middle infielder so as to make room for a bench player with more pop?

Just askin'.  I don't like Luna, but I hate the idea of dumping the guys who are having the best camps.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 13, 2006 10:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

deivi cruz
is the backup ss. so conceivably the roster could be

spivey
cruz
taguchi
rodriguez
duncan

but given spivey's injury history that makes for a pretty thin infield.

i'm still wondering if j-rod is going to be traded before opening day to open up a spot for duncan . . . .

by lboros on Mar 13, 2006 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

j-rod
i hope j-rod doesn't get traded.  he does have a bit of a cockyness about him, but hey, i would be pretty confident if i had a strech of 17 HR and 47 RBI's in just 34 games.  i think that j-rod should just be sent down to better develop his holes in his swing and to work on the fundamentals.  he has the raw potential to be a great outfielder if he put it all together.  i think the same should go with dunc.  he has a bunch of raw power, he just needs to channel it.
Albert Pujols is god with a lowercase "g". Let's go Redbirds, World Series '06 here we come!

by stlsportsfan on Mar 13, 2006 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

j-rod keeps doing stuff
to annoy la russa. he got picked off 1st base the other day; lazy, careless. tony hates that.

by lboros on Mar 13, 2006 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he still has more upside than some of
the other warm bodies that continue to occupy the Spring Training field.  *coughDaubachcough*

by azruavatar on Mar 14, 2006 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya
I wouldn't be suprised to see Scott Spezio steal that spot from Deivi

by Valatan on Mar 14, 2006 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Duncan hit left?
Because J-Rod's lefthandedness is definitely one of his assets to the Cardinals.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 14, 2006 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cruz-cruz
If we have to have a "Cruz," I would rather it was this guy than this one.

N.B.: Sucking in the Seventies was not just the name of a Rolling Stones album, as any baseball fan in his forties or older can tell you.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 14, 2006 11:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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