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780 runs

i found this little gizmo on the web -- steve's lineup toy. you plug in any 9 players, and the thing generates a recommended lineup and an estimated scoring avg. here's what i got for the 2006 cardinals:

eckstein
encarnacion
pujols
edmonds
rolen
spivey
bigbie
molina
pitcher (suppan)

est scoring avg: 4.8 runs per game, or 778 total runs, down 25 from last season

that type of scoring drop would be expected to cost about three wins in the standings; sounds about right to me. of course, the problem with this little exercise is that the projection is based on 2005 numbers, and most of these players strayed far, far away from their established norms last year. eckstein and encarnacion both had career years with the bat; they're prob'y due to fall off. conversely, spivey rolen and bigbie all had career worsts; they'll prob'y be better in 2006. maybe those imbalances all balance out, collectively, in the end; i don't know. the other problem here is that the bench is entirely unaccounted for; la russa usually starts his full complement of regulars in less than half of the games, and we know that taguchi, j-rod, and some backup infielder (miles cruz or luna) is going to see significant playing time. so just what is a reasonable expectation for the cards' offense in 2006?

i did a quick tabulation based on PECOTA's projections for the individual players on the stl roster. this required certain assumptions, which i'll summarize as briefly as possible. i started with the following guys as the 13 core position players:

C: molina, bennett
IF: pujols, miles, spivey, eckstein, rolen, cruz
OF: edmonds, encarnacion, bigbie, j-rod, taguchi

maybe you think luna should be in there instead of miles; doesn't really make a difference. to that group i added 300 at-bats' worth of pitchers' hitting, plugging in last year's rates of hits, walks, etc etc. and to bring the total plate appearances up to a full season's worth, i assumed 400 at-bats' worth of generic bench play -- whatever hector luna, michel hernandez, john gall, prentice redman, and the like contribute. i set the rate of production for that parcel at 90 percent of league average -- rather generous, but what they hell. because PECOTA leaves out obscurata (new word??) like hbp and sf/sh, i also had to make assumptions on those (just used last year's numbers) to arrive at the following team projection -- 2005 data presented alongside for benchmarking:

ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi bb avg obp slg
2005 5538 805 1494 287 26 170 757 534 270 339 423
2006 (PEC) 5535 759 1480 288 26 171 724 548 267 340 421

right off the bat (no pun), something doesn't add up. the projected numbers are nearly identical to last year's actual numbers in all respects -- avg, on-base, slugging, homers, extra-base hits, walks -- but the team's run total is supposed to drop by 46, to 759. what gives?

for a quick n dirty check on this, i calculated the projected team's runs created, using the original vanilla formula (ie H+W+HBP x TB divided by AB+W+HBP). it came out to 793 runs. the 2005 team per this formula created 798 runs -- very close to their actual scoring total of 805. so we can't say the team outperformed its base numbers last year and is due for a drop; the cards' run total was very consistent with their on-base and slugging performance. so, to the extent that PECOTA projections mean anything, a target of 780 to 800 runs for this team seems more realistic than the 759 runs in the table above.

i have to admit, i thought the numbers would look worse. PECOTA is, by design, not a bullish projection system; its powerful center of gravity keeps it from spitting out wildly optimistic or pessimistic figures. for instance, it forecasts only 16 homers from rolen, only 15 from encarnacion, just 5 from yadi; it thinks spivey will bat .247, bigbie .272, eckstein .266. the one guy whose projection could be deemed a leap of faith is john rodriguez's: PECOTA credits him with 404 at-bats (he'll be lucky to get half) of .265 / .340 / .462 hitting, with 16 hr 59 rbi and 59 runs scored. also, PECOTA is definitely bullish on jim edmonds -- he's projected to stay in the lineup (464 at-bats) and hit the snot out of the ball: .285 / .407 / .582, with 34 homers.

but on the whole, i think we've ended up right back where we began with steve's lineup toy: just below 5 runs a game. i'd take that and be very happy with it.

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Lineup Toy
I plugged in the following nine, it gave me this lineup and estimated 5.3 runs, or 858.6 on the season.
  1. Eckstein, D.
  2. Rodriguez, J.
  3. Pujols, A.
  4. Edmonds, J.
  5. Taguchi. S.
  6. Rolen, S.
  7. Spivey, J.
  8. Molina, Y.
  9. Suppan, J.
What gives?  Not to mention I like this lineup a lot better, even given its wild inconsistencies (J.Rod's impatience in the 2 slot, Rolen at 6).

by STLEdge on Feb 24, 2006 9:46 AM EST   0 recs

Haha, or this one, for a few extra million $$
J. Rod
Edmonds
Pujols
Sanders, Reggie
Grudzielanek
Eckstein
Rolen
Molina
Suppan

This one delivers 5.6 runs a game or 907 on the year.

by STLEdge on Feb 24, 2006 9:48 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Taguchi action
Man, I think Bigbie has some great potential (and I like having him for a few years since he can play center) but according to a sportsline article Taguchi hit .407 with runners in scoring position.  

Damn.  

by sdrone on Feb 24, 2006 11:30 AM EST   0 recs

These might
be just a little inconlusive just because of the injuries that players had.I think Bigbie should bat 2 or jrod should bat there i just can't see a right handed hitter in the 2 hole.I just have a feeling about Bigbie.I had him in a fantasy league and the guy hit 300 and an obp of 385 i used the players we had on the 04 roster with the execption of walker and sander and no womack but thats just fantasy.

by sportsmanspark78 on Feb 24, 2006 11:30 AM EST   0 recs

more
And when I plugged in lboros' lineup, I got 5.1 runs, not 4.8. Dunno why.

This thing is sort of fun but totally frivolous. When you sub in Marquis for Suppan, not only does it boost the runs to 5.6 per game, it suggests Marquis bat fifth.  

Just for the hell of it, I tried this lineup:

M. Ramirez
Pujols
Bonds
A. Rodriguez
Teixeira
Tejada
Soriano
Varitek
Marquis

8.0 runs a game, not accounting for the fatter pitches Pujols will get.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 24, 2006 11:38 AM EST   0 recs

Look!
Neifi's hitting cleanup!

Womack (2b)
Sosa (of)
Erstad (1b)
Perez (ss)
Mondesi (of)
Patterson (of)
Seabol (3b)
Diaz (c)
Carpenter (p)

2.8 runs a game.

I'll get back to work now.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 24, 2006 11:51 AM EST   0 recs

Rumor
Heard a rumor on the radio this morning that J-Rod's cockiness is gonna cost him a spot on the team.  The veteran players have started calling him  "Ned".

First off...any truth to this that anyone knows about?

Secondly, what does "Ned" mean?

by thenerdhater on Feb 24, 2006 2:44 PM EST   0 recs

j-rod
I don't know what "Ned" means either. What I do know is that I'm not really a big fan of J-Rod and wouldn't be at all suprised if he doesn't make the team. Sure he flashed some power last year, and was a big help for a while, but I really don't see that continuing. His effectiveness and his power diwindled by september when pitchers found out that they could easily strike him out with a bunch of breaking balls, his defense was always iffy, and his baserunning was awful. I'll be more than happy for him to prove me wrong, but I just don't think he's going to make the team.

by amettrick on Feb 24, 2006 3:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

it ain't braggin' if you can do it
I have no idea what "Ned" means, but I gotta figure J-Rod's bat will determine his fate more than his mouth. Sounds like he was pretty cocky last year, too, and no one minded so long as he was hitting well. Might be a factor if it's close but otherwise no.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 24, 2006 3:26 PM EST   0 recs

Last year
Very nice toy!

One comment, for last year it suggest this line-up:
Walker
Edmonds
Pujols
Sanders
Grudz
Eckstein
Nunez
Molina
Carp

for 5.2 (835 to 850 runs)

by Neuronix on Feb 24, 2006 3:38 PM EST   0 recs

Don't let
Dusty Baker see this--it makes up much better lineups than he does (not that it would really matter much).

by rockin redbird on Feb 24, 2006 4:25 PM EST   0 recs

Funny Lineup toy
Gave me this lineup when I tried to field a team of stars:
  1. Ortiz
  2. Pujols
  3. Bonds
  4. Rodriguez
  5. Soriano
  6. Marquis
  7. I-Rod
  8. Ichiro!
  9. Rolen
Marquis should bat 6th.

by mll2k3 on Feb 24, 2006 6:53 PM EST   0 recs

btw.
Gave 7.2 runs per, by the by.

by mll2k3 on Feb 24, 2006 6:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Card's Bench
  1. Bigbie
  2. Luna
  3. Jenc
  4. So
  5. Cruz
  6. Miles
  7. Bennett
  8. Spezio
  9. Mulder
So Cleanup!  That gets you 3.3 in 27.  Swapping in JRod for Jenc and he goes in to #3 also, and no change.  The infield corners better stay healthy.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Feb 25, 2006 3:03 PM EST   0 recs

Better Way
you can mix and match players performance from different years. for instance you can make a lineup that is

eck 2005
rolen 2003 (more like career averages)
pujols 2005
edmonds 2005
encarnacion 2003 (more like career averages)
...and so on.

by TaiwanGuy on Feb 27, 2006 2:36 AM EST   0 recs

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