Hall of Fame Discussion- Bert Blyleven
Hall of fame voting is just around the corner and I thought it would be fun to open a discussion on the canidates. There are 32 canidates on the next ballot. Two of them: Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn, are automatic enough that they are not worth discussing. In fact I'm sure pretty soon we will be reading about how great they were, ad-nauseum. At least twelve others don't seem to be very serious canidates, including: Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bobby Bonilla, Jay Buhner, Tony Fernandez, Wally Joyner, Scott Brosius, Eric Davis, Paul O'Neill, Bret Saberhagen, Devon White and Bobby Witt. Two more are likely black-balled for admited steroid use: Ken Caminiti and Jose Canseco. Of course, Mark McGwire has been discussed, and I am guessing LBoros will do a column on his candidacy sometime in the near future.
That leaves fifteen men worth discussing: Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Dave Concepcion, Andre Dawson, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage,
Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Lee Smith, and Alan Trammell.
Depending on how this one goes, once or twice a week, I'd like to post a new diary to discuss each of these men.

To start things off, I'd like to discuss probably the most interesting of these cases, that of Bert Blyleven.

The basic case for him lays in his career totals. Over 22 years he won 287 and lost 250 games for a good but not great winning percentage of .522. He was on a few winners, but generally played for mediocre teams. He spent some of his best years with the cellar dwelling Indians, including 1984 when he finished 3rd in the Cy Young for a 6th place team. Blyleven also had to pitch in some of the better hitter's parks: Three Rivers Stadium and the Metrodome. The overall records of his teams was .502 (1833-1821), which is of course about as mediocre as it gets.
Wins, of course, don't tell much as everyone in this sabermetric era knows. Blyleven's (adjusted) ERA+ is 118 for his career and his WHIP is 1.19. Both numbers are just outside the top 100 career leaders. His ERA averaged 0.59 better than the league. According to ESPN, twenty-one pitchers in history have thrown 4,500 innings and had an ERA a half a run better than the league average. Of these pitchers, all that are eligible are in the hall, save Blyleven. I tend to be skeptical of stats like these, but I didn't have any list for direct comparison. So instead I looked at some of his better contemporaries. Steve Carlton's was 0.48; Charlie Hough's was 0.23; Tommy John's was 0.35; Jerry Koosman's was 0.35; Jack Morris' was 0.18; Phil Neikro's was 0.60; Nolan Ryan's was 0.38; Tom Seaver's was 0.78; Don Sutton's was 0.26; Frank Tanana's was 0.21.
When he retired he was 3rd all-time in strikeouts (3,701) but has since been passed by both Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson. Everyone else in the top 20, save Frank Tanana(20) and Micky Lolich(17) is either in the hall of fame or is still active and will be at least serious hall candidates. It should be noted that that list is dominated by men who played in the past 40 years or so. Only two old-timers: Walter Johnson(8) and Cy Young(18), crack the top 20. Only four more old-timers are even in the top 40.
Bert Blyleven is also 13th in innings pitched at 4,970. All twelve men ahead of him are in the hall. In fact, of those eligible, only five players out of the top 31 are not in the hall. Two guys on that list, Tommy John(19) and Jim Kaat(26) are (or were) perennial HOF candidates. The others are a couple of 19th century near HoFers: Bobby Mathews, Tony Mullane, and a turn of the century Brownie great, Jack Powell. They provide for some entertaining digressions that you can read about in the discussion.
Bert Blyleven is 9th in shutouts. Everyone ahead of him is in the hall of fame and in fact you'd have to go all the way down to number 21, Luis Tiant before you could find a pitcher that isn't in the hall. Of the top 34, only Jack Powell, Doc White, who won the World Series clincher for the "hitless wonder" White Sox of 1906, and Tiant are not in the hall.
The case against Blyleven, can be best made using the Bill James' Keltner Test You can go through the mechanics of the test yourself, but it boils down to this: He simply was never really dominant. He was never the best player in the game nor was he ever the best pitcher in the game. He was the best player on his team only two or three times: in 1977 for the Rangers, in 1984 for the Indians, and in 1985 for the Indians again.
For the teams that needed him the most, the 1970 Twins, the 1978 Pirates, the 1979 Pirates and the 1987 Twins, he was pretty good but may not have even been the best pitcher on his team. Jim Perry and Jim Kaat were better in 1970; John Candelaria was about as good in 1978 and 1979. Frank Viola was better in 1987. Blyleven was a combined 50-36/ 3.38 in those years.
Blyleven was a good player but not great player past his prime. He had a good year for the Twins in 1987 at age 36 and a great year for the Angels in 1989 at age 38. But his worst year was sandwiched in-between the two and he dropped off a cliff after 1989.
Blyleven was only an all-star twice, though he should have made the team, perhaps four times. He was never close to an MVP and the closest he came to a Cy Young was 3rd place in 1984 and 1985. If he were the best player on a team, they wouldn't have been especially likely to win a pennant and he isn't historically significant other than what has already been mentioned. He was, however, known to be a prankster and good teammate, for what that is worth.
So what does everybody think? Is 2007 Bert's year? Does he deserve to be in?
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Since, the big knock against Blyleven is that he was never dominant, I thought it would be interesting to compare him to the last several starting pitchers voted into the hall of fame. I looked at the 12 starting pitchers, not including the Negro Leaguers, inducted since 1987: Nolan Ryan in 1999, Don Sutton (1998), Phil Neikro (1997), Jim Bunning (1996), Vic Willis (1995), Steve Carlton (1994), Hal Newhouser (1992), Tom Seaver (1992), Fergie Jenkins (1991), Gaylord Perry (1991), Jim Palmer (1990) and Catfish Hunter(1987). I compared their Cy Young finishes, MVP finishes as well as the number of their All Star appearances to Blyleven, Tommy John, Jim Kaat and Jack Morris. Here are the results:

Obviously, some of these guys are pretty irrelevant to Blyleven. Vic Willis was a turn of the century Red Sox and Pirate great and Hal Newhouser was a WWII era ace for the Tigers, but everybody else offers an interesting comparison. Looking at Cy Youngs, MVPs and All Star selections, there is quite a bit of truth to his lack of dominance, at least as seen by the writers at the time. In any case though, despite the lack of dominance, Blyleven has a pretty compelling case. Its hard for me to imagine that he stays out very much longer. If nothing else the Veterans Commitee (or whatever replaces it)will get him in.
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Bobby Mathews, Tony Mullane and Jack Powell
Tony Mullane(25) is another interesting 19th century player. He was one of baseball's first switch throwing pitchers, facing batters with both hands on the ball, and then use either one to throw presumably in an effort to confuse hitters. Like Bobby Mathews, he suffered from a bit of bad timing, leaving the St Louis Browns after 1883, just before we went on to win four consecutive pennants and a world championship or two. Had "Top-Dollar Tony" not been so money motivated, he'd likely have easily topped 300 victories and made it to the hall as a Brown (Cardinal), no less.
Number 30 on the list, Jack Powell is another player with a St Louis connection. He was a pitcher for the Cleveland Spiders team that in 1899 was folded into the St. Louis Perfectos/ Cardinals. He jumped to the 2nd place American League St Louis Browns in 1902, but unfortunately for him, they quickly digressed to the worst team in the league. Despite all that, he still appears on the leader boards for the Baltimore Orioles. He also has the distinction of having the most innings of any pitcher with a losing record. In fact, you'd have to go all the way down to number 54 for innings pitched to find another losing record, unsurprisingly by another Brownie "great", Bobo Newsom.
by Number47 on Dec 31, 2006 7:50 PM EST 0 recs
I don't think that Albert Belle can be instantly
But on Blyleven, I don't know. He's an interesting case. I guess by the criterion I put on the front page this Wednesday, I should probably say 'no.'
by Valatan on Dec 31, 2006 8:07 PM EST 0 recs
I think you are right about Belle
by Number47 on
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Ha!
BA: .295
Hits: 1726
Runs: 974
2B: 389
3B: 21
HR: 381
RBI: 1239
OBP: .369
SLG: .564
OPS: .933
Now, this would seem pretty impressive, and indeed these numbers are fairly similar to those of Jim Rice. What makes these numbers all the more impressive though, is that they were put up more or less in a ten-year span. You might remember that Belle was forced to retire at age 33 with an arthritic hip or something like that. He topped 100 RBIs in each of his last nine seasons and fell just short in the season before that streak. Over his last ten seasons before his early retirement, he averaged 37 HRs, 120 RBIs, and batted near .300. He had some truly awesome seasons, putting up a .357/36/101 season in strike-shortened 1994, a .317/50/126 in strike-shortened 1995, .311/48/148 in 1996, and an incredible .328/49/152 in 1998. Those numbers just cannot be discounted.
The knock on Albert Belle? He retired early sure, but his biggest problem is that he was one of baseball's all-time jerks. I've also heard whispers of steroid suspicions, but nothing was ever proven nor likely will anything ever be proven. The fact remains-had he stayed healthy, his numbers likely would have been too overwhelming to deny his entrance into the hall. Over the course of the 90s, he was truly one of the game's most feared hitters, an impressive accomplishment in a decade that included some of the highest offensive totals in Major League history.
As for Blyleven, I'm on the fence. I think that, judging on his numbers alone, he belongs in the hall, but he was never a dominant starter. But on the other hand, if you let Don Sutton into the Hall, whose numbers are comparable but who played for better teams, pushing him over the 300-win plateau, then you have to let in Blyleven, who had better stuff than Sutton, and pitched for worse teams.
Also: Andre Dawson and Goose Gossage belong in the hall too. No questions asked.
by matt reeder on
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Jack Morris up next
After that I may look at possible selection by the Veteran Commitee.
by Zubin on Jan 2, 2007 1:52 PM EST 0 recs












