Jason Marquis

by azruavatar on Nov 25, 2006 7:07 PM EST

Glancing through some sports columns I looked at this one on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15858674/

It's about bargains on the market. Marquis is listed and the article says this
"On the plus side, he is 28, has averaged 14 wins and 201 innings over the last three seasons, and has an excellent curveball."

Excellent curveball? I'd be hardpressed to say that Marquis has an excellent pitch but a curveball??? He's got his bread and butter sinking fastball but I've never seem him throw anything that was more curve than slurve.

Also, can a pitcher that posted a 6.02 ERA with declining statistics for three years really be a bargain. Hopefully he's a bargain for the cubs...

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Yes!!

Hopefully Jim Hendry will see that and JUMP. I want to see Betty in the blue pajamas so bad I can taste it.

by rockin redbird on Nov 26, 2006 3:11 PM EST reply actions

What a joke

Excellent curveball? Chris Carpenter has an excellent curveball. AJ Burnett has an excellent curveball. Ben Sheets has an excellent curveball. Jason Marquis has an average curveball at best, and he doesn't even use it as much as his slider. I love it when writers just make stuff up.

And put him in a good environment, "A National League Pitcher's Park". Duh. That's the best environment for any pitcher.

by Baseball addict on Nov 26, 2006 3:28 PM EST reply actions

and

that's another example why MSNBC is definitely not my choice for sporting news.

Acquire Barry Zito!

by aet15 on Nov 26, 2006 3:57 PM EST reply actions

Somebody is just confusing a sinker

with a curve.

And for the record, if he can be had for one or two million for one year (maybe even three mil in this market), I'd say he is a good pick up for any team but the Braves and Cardinals.

Think about it, his past three years compare pretty damn well to Weaver, and most of Cardinal nation is drooling over that possible signing.

I have nothing against the guy. He was good to us in '04 and decent in '05. I wish him well against anybody but us.

by Zubin on Nov 26, 2006 6:51 PM EST reply actions

Yeah

and the kid can hit!

Acquire Barry Zito!

by aet15 on Nov 26, 2006 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

I dont think he's been

anything like weaver. Weaver was said to have tons more potential early in their careers, and Weaver can still toss a gem. Most of Jasons starts this year after the beginning of the season were consistantly bad. I think his game against the white sox sums up his season. His time with the Cardinals is past.
Buh bye jason

Meche.

by Dttl89 on Nov 26, 2006 7:48 PM EST up reply actions

Actually, in terms of results,

They are quite similar. From Baseball-Reference:

Jeff Weaver versus Jason Marquis

They have both been durable .500 pitchers, tho Marquis has overall been on better teams and logged a few fewer innings. Their ERA is similar as has been their WHIP. The big difference I see is that Weaver is much more inclined to strike someone out and that Marquis is much better at handling left-handed hitting. Marquis' 3year left/right OPS is 782/805. Weaver's is 897/639. This of course explains the similar results despite Weaver's additional strike outs.

by Zubin on Nov 27, 2006 1:59 AM EST up reply actions

My problem with

Betty has mostly to do with his attitude. He'll be a 12-15 game winner for somebody--and that is valuable, but the public whining when he was put in the pen (and then turned in an excretable performance when called upon, which he then proceeded to whine about even more) turned me off completely. Weaver seems (or seemed at first) to be a potential Whiner King as well, but at least he obviously has the capacity to rise above and toss a great game when needed. I have no faith Betty can do that--at least as a Cardinal. He got a ring that he contributed to in a marginal way, so I wish him neither bad nor good luck--I just wish him to be in another uniform, preferably blue.

by rockin redbird on Nov 27, 2006 2:17 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe I am oblivious or maybe I don't read

the right sources. But I was unaware of the extent of Marquis' whining. Most every regular position player or starter (pitcher) whines a bit when benched or set to the bullpen. (Need I remind that ScoRo refused yto talk to TLR over being benched in a single game.) His performance this year also put me off, but I can remember when he was prety decent for us for a few years. What does anoy me is when people accuse the guy of not wanting to win or not caring about his team. I find such comments, frankly, a bit immature if not delusional.

Anyway my oringinal point is that Marquis isn't a bad pick up if a team gets him for a few million over a year. The big problem I saw with him this year is he seems to think he has better stuff than he does. If he gets back to his game and pitches to contact, he will consistantly eat innings away and be a good mid to back of the rotation guy. And that would be a a bargain on most any team.

by Zubin on Nov 27, 2006 3:50 AM EST up reply actions