eaton at his own game
lotta talk lately about adam eaton --- the more so after word got out that the cardinals met with eaton's agent. having looked more closely at his career stats, i'm less inclined to view him as a priority target. here's my chief complaint about him: his stats appear to be heavily ballpark-influenced. until 2006, he pitched his home games in two of the pitcher-friendliest ballparks in baseball --- qualcomm (nee jack murphy stadium) and the pads' current home, petco. both have park factors of about 91, meaning they depress offense by about 10 percent. (a 100 park factor is neutral; anything over 100 is a hitter's park.) because of that, eaton's seemingly decent era marks aren't very impressive; once you adjust for ballpark, eaton has beaten the league average in era only once in his career --- in 2000, his rookie season.
his career splits make plain the home-field advantage:
| era | ip | h | bb | so | bb/9 | k/9 | hr/9 | 2b/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| sd parks | 4.15 | 423.1 | 420 | 128 | 358 | 2.7 | 7.6 | 1.1 | 2.1 |
| all other | 4.65 | 437 | 445 | 178 | 308 | 3.7 | 6.3 | 1.4 | 1.8 |
note the differential in bb/9 --- eaton pitches far less aggressively away from the generously proportioned san diego parks. note also that, away from sd, his hr rate increases in the same proportion as his doubles rate decreases. that might help explain why he's more of a nibbler away from san diego: a certain number of flyballs that go for doubles in san diego get out of the ballpark almost everywhere else. with less margin for error, eaton pitches more tentatively; the strikeouts go down, the walks go up, and the runs score more freely.
this doesn't mean he's a lost cause; he still has two things going for him, viz. a high strikeout rate (even away from san diego) and an ability to pitch down in the zone. under duncan, he just might blossom. but i'm less apt to view eaton as a bargain than i was up to now --- particularly in light of rosenthal's report that he might command a four-year contract. pecota doesn't think much of him, and his comparables are nothing special; there's a distinct chance he could go the way of brett tomko, another talented pitcher the cards grabbed at about the same career juncture as eaton. compare eaton's to date vs tomko's through 2002, when the cards acquired him:
| w-l | era | ip | h | bb | so | bb/9 | k/9 | hr/9 | age | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| eaton | 54-45 | 4.40 | 861 | 865 | 306 | 666 | 3.2 | 7.0 | 1.2 | 29 |
| tomko (thru 2002) |
49-42 | 4.46 | 840 | 825 | 286 | 596 | 3.1 | 6.4 | 1.3 | 29 |
tomko didn't take the next step; in the four years since then, he has gone 40-38 with a 4.63 era. if you're paying $5.5m a year for that production, you're not thrilled but you can live with it; if you're paying $8m a year, you're pissed off. the way the market is going, eaton's labor will likely cost about $8m a year for the next four years. he might succeed where tomko failed, put things together and have a string of good years; i'd let some other team take that chance.
also of note today: miklasz reports --- straight from dewitt --- that the cards' payroll will likely increase into the $100m range. that's welcome news, particularly in view of the steep prices for pitching. given the extra margin, i gotta ask: why don't the cards simply pick out the guy at the top of their board and go sign him? leave zito and schmidt out of the equation; bidding wars might erupt over those guys, because there is such a small pool of front-end pitchers available. but below them, you've got maybe 8 or 10 pitchers --- the group including padilla, meche, lilly, eaton, supps, weaver, wolf, woody williams --- who are of roughly equal value. if you put in a bold offer --- say, $5 or $6 million (over the life of the deal) beyond what other teams are discussing --- maybe the competing suitors drop out of the bidding and turn to their next option, hoping to get a better bargain. as the field narrows, the urgency mounts to sign somebody before the shelves are empty --- and that's when you can end up paying a lot for a player you don't really want. that's exactly how st louis wound up with that sh*tty braden looper contract last winter; he was the last proven reliever out there, and when the phillies bid him up jocketty had little choice but to counter. walter likes to wait out the market, but with 3 empty slots in the rotation he can't afford to bide time this year --- not unless he's content to sign the 3 pitchers at the bottom of everyone's list. he's got the cash; he should start throwing it around, at whatever pitcher he and his scouts like the most. they might overpay, but at least they'll overpay for a player they actually want.
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Just my opinion
by Mugrad on Nov 16, 2006 9:14 AM EST reply actions
in other words
Signing usually happen like this
low salary guys
high salary (gold standard for that year)
mid range market guys
Though there are some outlying factors with every signing that could throw that off.
by Mugrad on Nov 16, 2006 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
in general you're right
another point
by Silent George on Nov 16, 2006 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Go get Ted Lilly
by Pujols4Pres on Nov 16, 2006 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
If they got $100 Million
I think Lily is our best shot cause we need a lefty in our rotation.
Weaver
by cardfan2 on Nov 16, 2006 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Weaver
Except for one fact - agent=Boras. That is a large, prohibitive factor.
Got me wondering... Have the Cards ever signed a Boras-represented FA?
Boras Clients
I agree
by Toddius396 on Nov 16, 2006 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dont forget about Mark Buehrle
Opening day payroll will probably be around 95MM because Walt will leave some budget room to work with for mid-season trades. With that kind of money to burn we should be able to pay a quality second baseman like Belliard and have enough money left to secure a great 4th outfielder like Jay Payton.
I trust Walt with all these decision and I am confident that he will put together a club that will get us back into the "crap shoot" next season.
by Born in 82 on Nov 16, 2006 9:31 AM EST reply actions
Miklasz said that the payroll for
by Mugrad on Nov 16, 2006 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Quality?
Sure, he was a little better than Miles at times, but c'mon... I wasn't all that impressed.
by sgfcards on Nov 16, 2006 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Really?...
I'm with you.
I'm reserving judgment on Buerhle
Waiting out
Pitching
Carpenter
Trade Pitcher (Clement, Lopez, Benson...etc)
Reyes
Low Level FA (Wells, Ortiz, other 4-6MM pitcher)
Hancock (Thompson, Narveson)
Mozelak mentioned Hancock specifically in a recent interview as a guy who would be a fallback if they can't acquire enough pitching. He also stated that Suppan is likely to get 10MM per year or more and Weaver a little less than Suppan...which means they are likely not going to be Cardinals next year. Boras clients (Weaver) tend to sign very late. He likes to play the desperate teams against each other to extract the highest price.
Both Jocketty and Mozelak have been using the word "acquire" when talking about pitching and "sign" when talking about hitting.
Excellent post...
Whatever he does, I certainly hope we don't actually end up with Benson or Lopez. Clement might be passable. But I think we're going to need a more consistent pitcher as our #2.
it'd be interesting
The Market Never Goes Down
Even in June-July, before he really took off on his post-All Star streak, Suppan was likely to command a $5-7M a year deal, based on his past salary and his career performance. His price has essentially doubled in a few months, and probably he will get a 3-4 year deal instead of 2 with an option, which is the most he could have expected at the time.
"Waiting," with respect to your own free agents, is a startegy that almost guarantees their departure.
Aren't you glad
by Toddius396 on Nov 16, 2006 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I've posted this before
"Eaton Vs. Kip Wells...
I'm just saying...
Adam Eaton
K/9 BB/9 HR/9 GB/FB IP/YR*
6.96 3.20 1.17 1.04 122.0
Kip Wells
K/9 BB/9 HR/9 GB/FB IP/YR*
6.55 4.09 1.02 1.62 152.0
*average of last 5 seasons.
Eaton get's more K's and walks fewer, but is more prone to the flyball, and as a result has a harder time keeping the ball in the park.
Overall I think they're each a better match for the Cardinals than Meche is (considering both dollars and predictable performance). I can see both being servicable options for the 4th/5th slot in the rotation. Overall I think the Cardinals tend to side with groundball pitchers more (Wells) . And although Eaton stikes out more and walks fewer than wells, he gives up more long balls.
Both would be OK, neither would be great. The biggest argument that could be made against either is that neither one truly posesses a durable arm... something the Cardinals tend to value.
Is this as good as it gets?
I think a trade is in order this year, I don't know how, but these FA options are none too enticing."
and Kip Wells has beaten league ERA twice. Both in a Pittsburgh park with a park factor of 1.008, so no advantage to the pitcher.
by ilillillli on Nov 16, 2006 10:08 AM EST reply actions
the 5-year arc
his line from 2004-06 is:
w-l 15-30
era 5.06
bb/9 4.5
h/9 9.7
k/9 6.6
that's covering three seasons and 365 innings; pretty decent sample size.
i can imagine this guy as a good back-end option if he'd sign a short contract with a low base and incentives --- a la carpenter. but he'd be risky to build around.
LB, would you do a revised 2007 roster matrix?
by SethWestern on Nov 16, 2006 10:12 AM EST reply actions
This off season is starting
Well
So, I'm going to withhold judgement on the Cards hot stoves transactions until Oct '07.
Well maybe,
Whadyathink?
Not to mention...
sure JMed
i think that was true at one point --- ie, eaton seemed to be getting overlooked. i certainly overlooked him because he pitched only 65 innings last year and has never had a bust-out year. (what a catastrophic trade the rangers made, by the way; essentially they gave up several years of adrian gonzalez and chris young --- who you'll recall shut down the cards in the nlds --- to get 65 innings of adam eaton.)
if it is still possible to get eaton at $4m or $5m a year, or on a low-base contract with incentives, i might be in favor despite the caveats i've raised here. but if eaton ends up getting almost as much as the meche / lilly / padilla cohort, i'd be leery of him.
frankly, of that whole group this year the only pitchers i'd really be happy to have are schmidt and lilly. i mean, zito would be great, but the contract he's going to sign could cripple a team if he gets hurt or loses effectiveness.
the more i look at these pitchers, the more i am convinced the team is best served to return adam wainwright to the rotation. . . . he carries far less risk, and has just as high a ceiling, as meche et al.
I would genearly agree
All in all, it is just a bad year for a team trying to reconstruct its pitching staff through free agency and the Cards don't have the trading chips to get those pitchers who could be had through trade. The more I think about it the more I like a rotation of Carp, Reyes, Wainwright one FA stater. With a payroll over $100 million, the Cards have the money to get one FA starter of their choice. Who that should be, I don;t know. If you are going to blow 9 million on a 2nd tier starter, then why not go after Weaver or Suppan. At least you know they will work well with Duncan. Of the two, I would lean toward Weaver.
The 5th spot is the big question for me. I like the idea of trading for someone like Maholm. It would give the Cardinals the possiblity of building a deep young group of 4 pitchers (Reyes, Wainwright, Maholm, and Narveson). But I think I would rather keep someone like Duncan than Juan E. And to get Maholm, the Cards probably need to trade Duncan.
Payroll
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 16, 2006 10:46 AM EST reply actions
Why Jocketty doesnt negoiate in season
Plus, if he would have re-signed Mulder to a big time deal early last season look at how screwed we would be right now. Hindsight is 20-20 so if Suppan walks we can just take the draft picks, thank him for his service here, and move on.
by Born in 82 on Nov 16, 2006 10:53 AM EST reply actions
contract year theory
not sure about that...
havent read that one but
Yes, Basball Prospectus etc.
BP?
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5274
Good citation...
Jocketty's proven himself over the long haul as an astute businessman, even if I was appalled last year at the Looper and Encarnacion signings.
But I'm sure glad, to the point above, that we're not stuck with some awful contracts overpaying for Marquis, Mulder, etc.
don't over-estimate the walk year effect
by wannabeGedman on Nov 16, 2006 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
the methodology
for example, some claim carlos beltran's 2004 as an example of increased performance by a player in a walk year. his 2004 was statistically better than prior years and he even exhibited a precipitous drop in 2005. his ops+ trend line so far is:
2001--119
2002--108
2003--126
2004--136
2005-- 95
2006--153
most studies generally stop the year after the contract year (2005 in this case). they would have identified 2004 as a "career year." however, when you add the 2006 data it looks more like a natural progression possibly related to the age of the player, like wannabeGedman said. by looking at the entire career you can determine if the walk year merely exhibits natural variation/progression, or is in fact statistically different from the other years. anything less is an incomplete analysis and doesnt really tell us anything.
You misunderstand
You'll notice that when they REALLY want to keep a player, Walt breaks this rule (Rolen, Carpenter).
I agree that in-season signings are a risk. You risk that the player gets hurt, like Mulder. But waiting carries its own risks: you might get stuck overpaying for mediocrity (Looper) or you have to keep picking guys off the scrap heap and hope it works out (Ponson, Weaver, Esteban Yan).
Also, I'm not sure it's a "proven fact" that players perform better in contract years. Conventional wisdom, maybe.
Manny?!?
With an influx pitching staff
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 16, 2006 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Manny
If you ever need proof that fielding percentage doesn't tell you the whole story, Manny's career fielding position in the outfield is .977, while Willie Mays' was .981.
hitting and defense
uh...
it isn't happening; he's not going anywhere, much less the Cards. they do this talk every year, and Manny always ends up with the BoSox.
but if it were real? hell yeah, i'd trade Duncan + prospect (Narveson? not Reyes or Wainwright) for 3 years of Manny. his salary would be under 15 mil/year, which is looking more and more like a total bargain.
He can hit...
Besides, would he even agree to come to STL? Think of David Wells and his snub of the Cards. I could be wrong but I think Manny might pull the same stunt.
I think we could get much better value in LF. I'd rather sign Luis Gonzalez. Gonzo seems like a good fit even if for only one year.
Adam Eaton doesn't excite me...
I would rather pay up for Suppan than get Adam Eaton. Or just go with Carp, Reyes, Wainer (maybe Narvie) and then take the dumpster diver approach.
My hope is that the Cards will re-sign Suppan or Weaver. Maybe with the increased payroll and a hometown discount, we can afford one of the two. My preference is Suppan. Too much risk that Weaver will revert back to his old ways. Besides, IMO Suppan is more of a Cardinal than Weaver. Seems like Suppan is well-liked on the team. Not to say that Weaver isn't but that Suppan is more so.
However, with Boston paying $51 mil just to talk to Matsuzaka, everything has been blow out of the water. Pitcher's will cash in this year. You can probably say goodbye to Suppan or Weaver. Just don't give me Eaton. Give me a dumpster diver guy for a million or 2.
agreed
i keep trying to bring myself to vote in the sidebar poll, but i can't muster enough interest in any of these guys to do so. i guess, if pressed, i could come up with some preference, but there's little difference among these guys. lets grab one cheap, see if he works out (a la ponson) and move on.
Excited?...no.
IMO the all the discussion over Eaton was more in the line that he might be had for $3-5 million a year less for a three year deal than guys like Supp, Weaver, et al, and is a comparable pitcher with more up-side.
I don't think there's a single FA pitcher out there (cept Zito and Schmidt worth more than $8 mil/year).
Wonder if we could get Woody for $4-5 mil per for a year or two.
If you're not a Cardinal,
Suppan
I also seem to remember when he pitched for the Red Sox at the end of a season and was a terrible pitcher. So it will be interesting if:
A. He goes to a big market team (just doesn't seem to fit his personality).
B. Just how poorly he will do without two or three gold glovers playing behind him and offense that has been pretty strong the whole time he has been here.
I just think Suppan has benefited from playing with some pretty good teams and if he is expected to be more than a .500 pitcher then whoever signs him is going to be disappointed. But he is a great good who will be good for any club house.
by cardfan2 on Nov 16, 2006 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
whoops
by cardfan2 on Nov 16, 2006 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
lboros old matrix
If payroll really does go to $105m, they've got $32.3m to spend.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 16, 2006 12:35 PM EST reply actions
32.3 mil
second, 32.3 mil sounds like a lot until you start looking at the holes.
a 2b, 2 starters (or 3 depending on the wainright/izzy gambit) and maybe an bench player for the infield...
on second thought maybe it is a lot. 10 mil each for a 2b and each starter with some leftover for the bench doesn't sound so bad.
True, even if they went full out into the Soriano
2007-14m
2008-15m
2009-15m
2010-15m
2011-15m
2012-16m
That would keep him paid less per year than Albert, offering him 1 more year and is better than the rumored Phillies offer.
Now, I don't think he'd accept that deal, however if he did, that would leave them with $18.3m for two starters, a secondbasemen and the bench.
So, Soriano seems still like a long shot with the increased payroll.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 16, 2006 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
if you get Soriano...
a few more million
They added Spiezo which takes the total up to
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 16, 2006 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
pitching-focused
but as we discuss all of the potential fa sp's out there, i believe we are all coming to the same conclusion....in my best arkansas language....the pickin's are pretty slim.
so why dump alot of cash on guys that we know are mediocre, just for the sake of spending money on pitching?
my proposal...let's go get an impact bat. let's use this money and go after soriano. i saw manny discussed above. i'd prefer soriano, but i'm not opposed to manny. dude can rake. bigtime. soriano is not nearly the defensive liability though. so let's focus on an impact bad and spend our big money there. and then we can let all of these fa sp's get big contracts that they don't deserve and we'll come in on the back end and scoop up a serviceble #4 or #5. we can move wainwright to the rotation and maybe use narveson or whatever.
not sure if that's plausible, but i just HATE spending our money on pitching when this crop of fa's are just mediocre at best. i'd rather go get a big bat.
Cubs pick up Cotts...
Good Trade
I worry that this positions the Cubs for a relief pitching for Westbrook trade, though.
2b starting
yeah, thanks a lot Hendry
DeRosa- 65 R, 10 HR, 53 RBI, .273 AVG, .735 OPS
LoRetta- 78 R, 8 HR, 61 RBI, .299 AVG, .765 OPS
Belliard- 82R, 12HR, 70 RBI, .275 AVG, .749 OPS
Kennedy- 71 R, 8 HR, 58 RBI, .280 AVG, .730 OPS
Durham- 107 R, 17 HR, 72 RBI, .281 AVG, .797 OPS
Just for reference:
Miles- 70 R, 4 HR, 46 RBI, .280 AVG, .682 OPS
Obviously Duhram is the best offensive 2nd basemen out there. His hamstrings scare the hell out of me though and he's going to get a hefty contract. No thanks.
As the same goes with LB's thought of going out and grabbing a mid tier pitcher now (Lilly please), I would say do the same with Belly or LoRetta. Bring Gonzo here on a 1 year contract and use the remaining for the other two pitchers (one of them on a 1 year contract) and the bench. You would only have to fill the rotation with 1 starter next year.
I'm fine with Gonzo being here on a 1 year contract as a starter in left. There are some good free agent names in the outfield next year (a. jones, m. bradley, v. wells, abreu).
Just my 2 cents.
by Pujols4Pres on Nov 16, 2006 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
3 years $45 mil
by newguy @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 16, 2006 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Brilliant
Peavy
by Toddius396 on Nov 16, 2006 2:30 PM EST reply actions
I'm going to make your day
I can't even imagine a better scenario.
Yeah...
by rockin redbird on Nov 16, 2006 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I see the Cardinals....
by Cylix3341 on Nov 16, 2006 2:38 PM EST reply actions
this is starting alot like
Edmonds
by cardfan2 on Nov 16, 2006 5:45 PM EST reply actions
The Cards re-signed Spezio
by Pujols4Pres on Nov 16, 2006 5:48 PM EST reply actions
me either...
- Cards got a BIG hometown discount. still don't see anything about the money.
- Spiezio will be the starting 2B, thus freeing up money to go after a big OF bat or a SP.
#1 wouldn't make...
They usually like to turnover the bench, but I guess not this year.
Next up: A $2.5mm contract for Preston Wilson. Yuck
i agree...
i don't know, maybe Speeze learned in Seattle that money can't buy you happiness.
and i agree that #2 doesn't make sense, because there are so many 2B options out there. they didn't have to opt for Speeze. but geeze, they signed him quick. maybe they thought that the longer they waited, the more some other team would decide to over-spend on him a la Philly/Nunez last year.
i guess we'll see when the money comes out. i'm glad to have him back, but not if it forces us to skimp someplace where we really need help.
I thought for sure...
People are pushing him as a super-sub, but he doesn't play the outfield well, and, though I've never seen him at SS or 2nd, I would bet he's pretty brutal there too.
He was good with the stick in '06, obviously, but I see a regression in his future.
2nd base? Why not left field and
Speezio's contract
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 16, 2006 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
bernie items
no word on the money yet...
also, making traction with Jeff Weaver...
had a meeting with Adam Eaton's agent...
definitely interested in Kip Wells, and he wants to come here...
trying to talk to Padilla's agent...
Luis Gonzalez ... leaning to LA...
Cardinals had interest in Lugo; he wants to play SS and make SS money... nothing going to happen there...
Jocketty exploring trades for starting pitchers who might be a short-term fill, like Mulder was -- a pitcher who has a year or two left before free agency.
--B
you just beat me...
i'll bet we end up with Wells (unfortunately). i think i'd like Padilla as well. it does seem like they are going after some guys; if they land two of the four mentioned above then AW will stay in the pen, and the 5-spot will be a retread or Narveson/Hancock.
no mention of a big OF bat, tho.
No
How important
This was a good move, IMO.
You'd think it'd be a lot...
If you were in the Rox's shoes, what would you want? Prob at least some promising arms in the mid minors (Hawksworth? Lambert?) and someone that you can plug into the major league roster (Duncan?).
Would you be willing to give up Hawksworth, Lambert, and Duncan for 1 guaranteed year of Jennings?
Weaver...
I don't think our pitching
Carp
Reyes
Wainwright
Narveson
Hancock
Now granted that's not great, but it might be. Think of it this way. Take out those last two names. Insert Marquis and Ponson. Essentially that is who you are replacing. (Beginning of season.) I'm going to call wainwright/mulder and reyes/suppan a wash, only on terms of what we know what we have in each individual.
Main point: DON'T SIGN SH*T, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I think we should get who we need however it takes to do it via trade/money/FA whatever.
Cards resign spezio!
"cards resign scott spiezio to a two year deal with an option for a third."
personally, i think this is great news! i really did not think that the cards could afford him after the great year that he had.
World Series Shares
by saladdin69 on Nov 16, 2006 7:20 PM EST reply actions
How about Clement?
I think he is out
Yep, from ESPN:
Nov. 12, 60-day DL, Clement (rotator cuff surgery) is reporting good progress in his comeback and hopes to return to action by the All-Star break, the Boston Herald reports.
SPIN: A return by the All-Star break represents a best-case scenario. Clement underwent surgery at the end of September.
by Just Rope Ball on Nov 16, 2006 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Stros
Offers to Lee and Soriano...I hope this is not going to work...thsoe to in the juice box? yuck..they could let soriano play 2b too but then would that make burke available? or would they move Willie T? neither one would go to a central team but just asking
Speezio's contract
At $2.25M/yr, I don't think have a problem with this contract. What did Speez make last year?
323k
Good Contract
Spiezio can play 3rd, OF, and 2B on a team where the OF and 3B are somewhat injury-prone. I think it's hard not to love this deal.
good point
I do wonder whether anyone in the organization is thinking Spiezio might be the everyday 2B.
Gotta love..
The Dry Humping
by DimitroffVodka on Nov 16, 2006 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
whew
by stlsportsfan on Nov 16, 2006 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
minor deal
hmm
I guess I missed that game when Spiezio started at SS...
I was at it
whoops, never mind
Then the next day it was luna at 2B and miles at short, leading off, which is what I was thinking of.
The Speez contract seems a bit rich
The big questions:
- Can he play second?
- Can he play outfield?
- Does LaRussa know that not all infielders can play outfield?
Kip Wells
by ilillillli on Nov 16, 2006 9:36 PM EST reply actions
Why does everyone think Duncan
He is the coach's son, after all. He's cheap, and he could have some really great long-term potential.
Since the Cardinals control his life, why wouldn't they want to ride the curve with him. I know he makes a mockery of right field, but he can hit.
because
by stlsportsfan on Nov 16, 2006 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I listen to Chicago sports-talk radio...
Well
I don't know if I like Spezio. He was good last year. But I wonder if we could have gotten Cattalanto for less.
Not a chance.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 16, 2006 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Here is an updated Matrix

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 16, 2006 11:13 PM EST reply actions
I would guess that Spiezio gets 2M
my controversial pick for 2b is...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Nov 17, 2006 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I like Walker
The downside is that he isn't regarded well defensively. His rate2 is a career 94 at 2b and he doesn't have a good reputation. I think his bat makes up for that but given the Cardinals proclivity for strong middle infield defense...not sure the front office would like him.
Not my first choice, but not opposed
by Baily on Nov 17, 2006 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Walker or Hairston?
deferred money
by Cylix3341 on Nov 18, 2006 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Targets
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