somebody else's meche
gil meche's agent says gil meche is a hot commodity --- half the teams have made contact, blah blah blah. @#$##$ agent-generated buzz. . . . but we do hear from other sources that the cardinals might be interested in this guy. meche is cut from the carpenter mold: big boy, throws hard, nasty stuff. like carp, he was drafted high (22d overall), reached the big leagues young (20) with ace-like potential, struggled, and got hurt --- blown shoulder. that injury required two surgeries to fix and kept meche sidelined for a year and a half; he has stayed healthy since his return four years ago.
if the shoulder is fixed, the pitcher still is not; here the similarity to carpenter ends, and the likeness to jason marquis begins. after nearly 150 big-league starts, meche still apparently lacks a plan for getting hitters out --- either that, or he's unable to execute one. jeff sullivan at the great mariner blog Lookout Landing recently posted an excellent review of meche's 2006 season; excerpts:
He finished the season even worse than he started it, and fans who had been swayed by his run of good pitching in the middle of the summer swore off ever believing in Gil again. He concluded the year appropriately enough, walking five batters in Oakland's AAA lineup and needing 125 pitches to get through six innings. Classic Gil. The second he got pulled, Mariner fans everywhere breathed a deep sigh of relief, armed with the knowledge that they'd almost certainly never have to watch Gil trot his sorry ass out to the mound in a Seattle uniform ever again. After more than a decade of underachieving, the Gil Meche Era was finally over.
| ip | h | bb | so | w-l | era |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 29.1 | 20 | 5 | 24 | 2-0 | 1.84 |
probably meaningless; he was pitching pretty well against al clubs too at that time. in any case, the month of interleague play (june) was the only one in which meche managed to keep his era under 4.00; he was at 4.78 or higher in 4 of the 6 months last season.
another fine mariner blog, USS Mariner, seems to have spoken for the majority of seattle fans in this post:
one other item: ken rosenthal reports that baltimore is shopping rodrigo lopez, a pitcher the cardinals reportedly tried to get at the trade deadline last year. lopez had a terrible year --- 5.90 era in 189 innings --- and hasn't been very good his whole career; had one good season, whoop de doo. he is in his last year of arb eligibility, so he won't come cheap (prob about $4m) and can walk at the end of the season. the orioles have a hole in the outfield; the brewers supposedly have offered kevin mench for lopez. one can imagine st louis offering encarnacion for the guy, but i hope they don't; lopez looks like another problem, rather than a solution. the orioles (who, with the acquisition of jaret wright, now have six starting pitchers) also might dangle kris benson; he's sort of the pitching equivalent of juan encarnacion --- a reliably, hopelessly average player. benson is under contract for $7.5m this year, with an option at the same price for 2008; we'll have to see how the market develops, but he doesn't look like much of a bargain at this point and hence doesn't seem to meet the cards' needs.
i doubt the orioles would view encarnacion any more favorably . . .
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Does anyone have any rumors
Good Information, LB.
by TNFan32 on Nov 14, 2006 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When are the GM meetings?
by sdrone on Nov 14, 2006 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe
by Alxfritz on Nov 14, 2006 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually they started yesterday
i'm not making that up: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061113&content_id=1740222&vkey=hotstove 2006&fext=.jsp
by lboros on Nov 14, 2006 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meche
Home: 88.2 IP, 88 K, 3.76 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .235 BAA, 9 HR
Away: 98.0 IP, 68 K, 5.14 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, .275 BAA, 15 HR
Outside of pitcher-friendly Safeco, he got shelled.
I say pass.
by matty fred on Nov 14, 2006 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
According to mlbtraderumors...
One supposes the Pads would have to either pick up some $ or accept lesser prospects in return. This would free up Enc to bring a Rodrigo Lopez type...
by guayzimi on Nov 14, 2006 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Jennings
I suppose Juan Encarnacion is wishfull thinking, and Reyes is probably too much, right?
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
reyes for jennings
by cards4life on Nov 14, 2006 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
starter for a starter...
As far as the why of it all...
The organizations mantra has been groundball....groundball...groundball.
Reyes induces groundballs on 34% of pitches hit into play to go with 47% flyballs and 19% line drives.
Jennings induces 44% grounders, 37% flyballs, and 19% grounders... not exactly an extreme split, but he's definatley a groundball pitcher.
The organization as recently as 2 years ago traded away a young arm in Haren for a young-veteran groundballer in Mulder. Its possible. Probably not wise, but its possible.
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my fault:
sheesh.
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to look at it
by Zubin on Nov 14, 2006 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
is that the same as 63% grounders, 37% flyballs?
j/k - couldn't resist
by _pistol_ on Nov 14, 2006 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If meche will command
What is someone like V-Padilla going to get? If it takes a 3yrs at $27-35 mill, I think that would be much better use of payroll. I kind of recall Padilla being a bit of a hothead though.
Has anyone heard any discussion on his price or which teams have shown interest?
I'm thinking alot of teams are waitin for the big-spenders(Yanks, BosSox, Mets) to zero on their targets. When these teams show interest in a FA, it seems to automatically push the more frugal teams (Cardinals, Cubs's, etc) towards the remaining FA's. Perhaps once the Yanks go after & sign Suppan, then the real competition for the FA starters will commence.
by _pistol_ on Nov 14, 2006 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
by Toddius396 on Nov 14, 2006 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say again
by JMedwick on Nov 14, 2006 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eaton
If he truly is under the radar, he's a perfect Jockety target.
by cardzfanbub on Nov 14, 2006 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
1st tier:
Schmidt
Zito
2nd Tier:
Menche
Lilly
Wolf
Padilla
Suppan
(Weaver in some places, thought not as much)
Easton's name is never brought up in previews of the offseason pitchers avalible.
He is either under the radar or some team has the inside track on signing him, because no one is talking about Eaton.
by JMedwick on Nov 14, 2006 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have heard
by lboros on Nov 14, 2006 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Eaton
by elderj on Nov 14, 2006 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign for Jose Cruz
by Valatan on Nov 14, 2006 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis' Agent
by elderj on Nov 14, 2006 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
the devil rays want him
i've also read the phillies are interested.
by lboros on Nov 14, 2006 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
Now that I think about it - not many. He'd get mauled by a few dozen angry fans by the All-Star break.
by Robb on Nov 14, 2006 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have wondered
by JMedwick on Nov 14, 2006 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some team might take a chance
by Valatan on Nov 14, 2006 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the devil rays also
"Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman didn't waste any time. He called Clifton the day after Mulder filed for free agency. When Clifton brought Tampa Bay up to Mulder, the agent said Mulder responded positively, saying that the Rays had a core of good young players and that things seemed to be turning around in Tampa Bay."
by 26thMan on Nov 14, 2006 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is being posted
I just made all of that up. Could you tell?
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering Marquis, that's funnier than you think
by Valatan on Nov 14, 2006 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know exactly how funny that is...
ilillillli out!
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More on Eaton vs. Meche
Career K/9 K/BB G/F
Eaton 6.96 2.18 1.08
Meche 6.35 1.58 .96
I look at those numbers and see in Eaton a pitcher who could thrive with Duncan. Good stuff, good strike out rate, already slightly more of a ground ball pitcher, lower walk rates. A good fit for a Duncan guy.
The only concern with Eaton is health, he has missed some time over his career.
by JMedwick on Nov 14, 2006 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I no longer want to sign Meche...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 14, 2006 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I still like Meche
Of course, he isn't worth the kind of money Burnett got last year - and if he ends up with a deal like that - I'm sure StL won't bite.
I think they obviously have a pretty good system for picking guys to take chances on in StL.
by Toddius396 on Nov 14, 2006 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody excited...
GIVE IT TO CARP, BABY!!!!
by Matty I on Nov 14, 2006 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
by Number47 on Nov 14, 2006 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was listening to Rome ...
by Timbo02 on Nov 14, 2006 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Post and Gonzo
As much as I could care less about JuanE, at least he could hit the occasional lefty hard and that's a bit too much production/salary to platoon.
by wannabeGedman on Nov 14, 2006 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well deserved

by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Oswalt...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 14, 2006 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The voters....
by BleacherBum on Nov 14, 2006 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
pop-ups
There's no spyware or adware on my machine.
by 26thMan on Nov 14, 2006 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep, i do want to hear these
by lboros on Nov 14, 2006 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eaton v. Meche
Eaton has better mechanics, still not great, but not a big fan of his stuff. I can't look up his stats right now, but I'd guess he has a huge lefty/righty split. Curve bends away from right handers Weaver circa July-style and I haven't seen a changeup. That's asking for trouble.
The guy that I've still seen that has the best bargain combo of stuff/mechanics is Kip Wells. Coming off an injured season (blood clot in arm, not structural) but he's good and will be especially cheap. I say re-sign Mulder to incentives and sign Wells as a great risk/reward replacement till June if he is bad.
by joker24 on Nov 14, 2006 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eaton Vs. Kip Wells...
Adam Eaton
K/9 BB/9 HR/9 GB/FB IP/YR*
6.96 3.20 1.17 1.04 122.0
Kip Wells
K/9 BB/9 HR/9 GB/FB IP/YR*
6.55 4.09 1.02 1.62 152.0
*average of last 5 seasons.
Eaton get's more K's and walks fewer, but is more prone to the flyball, and as a result has a harder time keeping the ball in the park.
Overall I think they're each a better match for the Cardinals than Meche is (considering both dollars and predictable performance). I can see both being servicable options for the 4th/5th slot in the rotation. Overall I think the Cardinals tend to side with groundball pitchers more (Wells) . And although Eaton stikes out more and walks fewer than wells, he gives up more long balls.
Both would be OK, neither would be great. The biggest argument that could be made against either is that neither one truly posesses a durable arm... something the Cardinals tend to value.
Is this as good as it gets?
I think a trade is in order this year, I don't know how, but these FA options are none too enticing.
by ilillillli on Nov 14, 2006 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that BB/9 rate is ugly though
I'm not convinced we are going to be able to find 3 pitchers better than Narveson. The pitching market is so thin; I'm really interested to see what Walt does.
by azruavatar on Nov 14, 2006 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re: Wells
That said, when he was completely health and in rhythm, he was a great #2 in '02/'03 (bet you didn't know that); that can't be said of any of the other bargain options.
Especially if we plan on resigning Mulder which means we have to get 6 pitchers, Wells is the clear option in my mind. If he bombs, we only have to deal with it for 2 months tops, if he Duncans (it should be in the dictionary) himself into '02/'03, we've got a legitimate #2 with a 120-130 ERA+. The risk/reward is very, very good in my mind.
Signing MarKip Mulderells to a guaranteed 5-6 million with the upside of getting two #2 quality pitchers is the best option for the fifth slot.
by joker24 on Nov 14, 2006 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
Those two years look an awful lot like an aberration. Wells doesn't have particularly good stuff and relies on keeping the ball down. I think you could see Suppan-like results from Wells, i.e. 4.00 ERA, 180IP, mediocre strikeout rates. He just screams league average at me. I think if Duncan can help him spot his pitches and throw low in the zone he could be decent.
I also think you are underestimating the pitching FA market. I think that it is going to be shocking and ridiculous. I think that Walt may be best served by pursuing guys like Wells and Woody that are low cost, low committment but I still think Wells gets 4 million per year and at least 2 years. I think the market is just that crazy.
Then again, I could be wrong.
by azruavatar on Nov 14, 2006 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neither wells
by erik on Nov 14, 2006 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's why it isn't ideal
by ilillillli on Nov 15, 2006 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Benson?
by simba on Nov 15, 2006 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
currency jokes kick ass!!!
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