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Update [2006-10-3 12:57:36 by lboros]: just posted by bernie: marquis is on the postseason roster; reyes is not. also, no vizcaino. awaiting further . . .

and here's the whole roster. thanks, bernie.

PITCHERS
carp, supps, weaver, marquis, kinney, thompson, hancock, looper, wainwright, johnson, flores

BATS
molina, bennett, pujols, belliard, miles, eckstein, rolen, spiezio, duncan, edmonds, en'cion, wilson, taguchi, rodriguez

OFF
reyes, vizcaino, narveson, sosa, schumaker [end update]

the padres deserve to be favored in this series, but it's hardly a mismatch. san diego won all of 5 games more than the cardinals in 2006; big deal, right? they did finish strong -- 15-6 in the last 3 weeks -- while the cardinals staggered to an 8-14 record down the stretch. but history has shown that "momentum" of that type doesn't mean anything; teams that finished ice-cold have won just as often in october as fast finishers have. the pundit class is overemphasizing the teams' divergent records down the stretch, to the point that nobody at all is picking the cardinals to win. i'm not picking them either, but i do think they have a realistic shot. if they were to win, it'd be the mildest of upsets.

last october, stat gurus voros mccracken and james click -- the former renowned for propounding the concept of defense-independent pitching, the latter a (former) data expert at Baseball Prospectus -- both presented formulas for estimating the odds of a given outcome in any playoff series, based on nothing more than the participants' regular-season winning percentages. i won't bore you with all the math -- mccracken's post is here is you want to read through it, and click's is here, behind the baseball prospectus subscription wall. both formulas suggest that a .516 team like the cardinals has about a 40 percent chance to win a 5-game series against a .543 team like the padres. these formulas are purposely generic -- they don't account for specific team characteristics such as having the cy young winner on your team, playing good defense, having a great (or terrible) road record, and other team- or series-specific factors. i still think they're useful as baseline estimates; we can adjust up or down from there depending on which series-specific factors we deem significant.

a lot of factors we might normally deem significant are distorted by the padres' ballpark. for example, while the cardinals have outperformed the padres in every key offensive category -- runs, homers, avg, slugging, obp -- we can't trust those comparisons entirely because the pads' ballpark is so hostile to hitters. away from home, the padres lead the league in batting and on-base percentage and rank 3d in slugging and 4th in runs scored -- better than the cards in all those categories. san diego has no hitter who's even close to pujols -- no berkman or beltran -- but they have few automatic outs. only three position players on san diego's roster have OPS's lower than .730; the cardinals have 7 such players (ie, half the available bats), including three regulars (eckstein molina and belliard). take a look at the teams' respective OPS's by batting-order slot:

pads cards
.746 1st .701
.795 2d .764
.744 3d 1.091
.802 4th .910
.834 5th .846
.837 6th .652
.681 7th .704
.681 8th .682

the padres' offense runs 1 through 6; the cardinals', 2 through 5. the cards do have an opportunity to goose things a bit by taking liberties on the bases vs the padres. they did just that in last year's nlds, to great effect (particularly in game 2). san diego allowed 150 steals in 176 attempts this year, a ridiculous total and an even more ridiculous success rate. if whitey's teams played these guys, they'd destroy 'em. the cards have some baserunners -- taguchi, wilson, and encarnacion can all steal a base, and maybe skip schumaker ought to be added to the playoff roster for just that reason. i can't see edmonds or eckstein running, given their health status; pujols can swipe if the situation calls for it.

on the other hand, the padres have swift dave roberts, the type of pesky leadoff man who has bedeviled the cards in past series (see timo perez, tony womack, kenny lofton, craig biggio). roberts is a first-rate base-stealer, but even he may not run much against molina. he doesn't have to; he just has to get on base and activate the pads' offense, which -- more so than the cards' -- relies on sequenced rallies. roberts hit .381 vs the cardinals this year, with a 1.006 ops; if he keeps that up, forget it. game over.

san diego led the nl in era handily, at 3.87, while the cards finished 9th at 4.54 -- a whopping advantage for the padres. and it's not merely a ballpark illusion; looking only at road games, the pads led the league in ERA, opponent avg, and opponent obp; they were 2d in opponent slugging and 3d in home runs allowed. it's just a damn good pitching staff, top to bottom. they had the league's best starters (4.09 era) and 2d-best bullpen (3.42), while the cardinals were 12th (4.75) and 7th (4.06), respectively. of course, we know only too well that rotation depth don't mean nothing in a short series; with carpenter pitching twice and neither marquis nor mulder starting at all, the rotations are a lot closer in functional terms than the season-long numbers suggest.

ahh, but then there are the bullpens to consider. sd's trevor hoffman, scott linebrink, and clay meredith constitute perhaps the best late-inning trio in baseball. they've combined this season to hold opposing hitters to a .212 / .256 / .325 line, with an aggregate era of 2.44 in 188 innings. their late-inning counterparts on the cardinals -- wainwright, looper, and josh hancock -- have been pretty good too (.249 / .303 / .381, with a 3.60 era), but as we have seen they don't exactly lock games down. the padres' guys do. sure, they can be beat -- viz. albert's 900-foot homer off meredith just last week. but if the same circumstances arise again in the nlds, ain't no way el hombre's gonna see a pitch to hit. those will be very interesting at-bats to watch: will albert expand his strike zone and (likely) get himself out? or will he stay disciplined, take the walk, and trust his mates to pick up the team. pujols' approach to those at-bats might be influenced by how rolen and en'cion fare with RISP early in the series / early in games. i'll be paying attention to those at-bats, too.

why do i focus so much on the bullpens? nate silver's empirical studies at baseball prospectus have shown that, historically, strong bullpens and postseason success bear a statistically significant correlation. that conclusion passes the common-sense test: playoff baseball features good pitching and evenly matched teams, hence a lot of close, low-scoring games -- and a lot of high-leverage situations for the relievers. san diego's bullpen has excelled in those situations this year. according to baseball prospectus' win expectancy metric (WXRL), the pads' late-inning trio (ie, meredith linebrink hoffman) has been 13 games better than replacement level -- as a group, they're tantamount to an mvp-caliber player. the cardinal relievers, i hardly need remind anyone, have not exactly thrived under late-inning pressure. stl's closing trio (ie wainwright looper hancock) has been just 5 games better than replacement level per WXRL. to put this on a more immediate basis: san diego was 30-22 (.577) in one-run games in 2006; the cards were 22-27 (.449).

now here's a surprising tidbit: despite their superior pitching staff, the padres were just as bad as the cardinals in low-scoring games. when scoring 4 runs or fewer, the teams had nearly identical records -- 27-55 (.329) for the cardinals, 30-62 (.326) for the padres. i would have expected the pads to have an advantage in this regard, particularly in the 3-to-4-run range. but even within that narrow slice of the output spectrum, the teams are evenly matched: the cards went 16-27 (.372), san diego 16-26 (.381). with carpenter going twice for the cards and peavy young and wells getting most of san diego's starts, the 3d and 4th runs may very well decide each one of these games.

that's about all i got for now; don't know that much more needs to be said. we got pujols and carpenter; san diego's got all those other guys. my heart's with the cardinals; my head says the padres. they are better balanced than our team and have a broader array of weapons; above all they have better arms, and that usually tells the tale.

but it ain't a mismatch; not hardly. one last factor -- something that has bothered me about st louis all season -- ends up in the cardinals' favor: homerun differential. the 2006 cardinals ended up at minus 9 -- 184 hit, 193 allowed. terrible ratio. but the padres were even worse: they hit 161 and allowed 176, for a differential of minus 15. and if their three shutdown bullpenners have an achilles heel, it's the longball. we saw it firsthand when pujols took meredith deep; the dodgers found it out a couple weeks back when they hit 4 9th-inning homers in a row off san diego to erase a 4-run deficit; and the diamondbacks even exposed that flaw in the final inning of the regular season, whacking two bombs off trevor hoffman and nearly snatching the division title away. the padre bullpen lost 23 games this year, only 1 fewer than the cardinals' relievers. wouldn't it be funny -- wouldn't it be baseball -- if, when it mattered, the cardinals won because the other guy's bullpen screwed up?

let's hope to see it. i'll take my 40 percent chance and carp in games 1 and 4, and let 'em fall where they may.

back an hour or so before the 1st pitch with a game thread.

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Is Carp a lock for game 4?
What if we're up 2-1? I'd pitch Reyes and save Carp for 5 (or, ideally, game 1 of the nlcs).

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cla Meredith
lboros, you missed the fun of spelling Cla Meredith's name correctly.

That's like not spelling Jhonny Peralta's name right-it takes a teeny bit of the fun out of the world!

Go, Cards!

by levistahl on Oct 3, 2006 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i refuse
to honor spellings like that. dude's name is "clay"

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree
i am usually like which parent f'd up the birth certificate, and now the kid is screwed for life

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's in a name?
one of the funniest things i saw last week and i don't remember who wrote it (valatan?), but someone wrote after pujols' homerun that albert had just removed another letter from cla's name and he now had to go by cl. ;)

by thatsawinner on Oct 3, 2006 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
according to an article from the San Diego Union Tribune: "He grew up in Richmond, Va., the son of a high school football and basketball coach. Speaking of whom, that's where Cla got the name. He was born Olise (pronounced AH-liss) Claiborne Meredith III. Hence, the Cla without the 'y' at the end."

by john vb on Oct 3, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the Deadspin
comment about Meredith was funny last week - after surrendering that game-winning homer to Pujols, Deadspin stated that Meredith would now be punished by having to drop "yet another letter from his first name"

by lawman3842 on Oct 3, 2006 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too late
thanks for reminding me who it was. nice to laugh together too!

by thatsawinner on Oct 3, 2006 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luck be a lady
LaRussa's gamble to hold back Carpenter Sunday has been dissected here and elsewhere, and whether or not he made the decision for the right reasons . . . it turned out to be the right decision.

Luck is a great thing to have going for you. LaRussa has had his share of bad luck in the postseason. They say luck has a way of evening out. Wouldn't it be great if this year he turned out to be Lucky LaRussa?

by Youneverknow on Oct 3, 2006 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

another factor....mike piazza
the cards should be able to run all day on piazza...turn singles into doubles.  i just hope they can get some hits off peavy.

by dmb60614 on Oct 3, 2006 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lboros covered that....
in his write up. Whitey Ball would've eaten Piazza alive.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

150 steals in 176
attempts is INSANE.

by sdrone on Oct 3, 2006 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piazza's never been that goohas he?
I thought that his arm was one of the big stikes against him as a catcher, way back whenever.

Shoot, with numbers like those, maybe Yadi can swipe a bag!

by fuegophil on Oct 3, 2006 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
But MAN. The numbers make me shake my head.

by sdrone on Oct 3, 2006 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lineups are out
cards
  1. eckstein, ss
  2. duncan, lf
  3. pujols, 1b
  4. encarnacion, rf
  5. rolen, 3b
  6. edmonds, cf
  7. belliard, 2b
  8. molina, c
  9. carpenter, sp
pads
  1. roberts, lf
  2. giles, rf
  3. gonzalez, 1b
  4. piazza, c
  5. branyan, 3b
  6. cameron, cf
  7. blum, ss
  8. barfield, 2b
  9. peavy, sp
these were announced around 8 am on 590 from a fax from TLR to Jim Hayes and the crew on the Morning Grind

cards win today 3-1 (my prediction)

by cards4ever on Oct 3, 2006 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually...
the lineups were posted on the official cardinals website last night :) Good stuff anyways. Best possible lineup I think we could ask for.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our bench
Matches up well with the Padres bullpen. Miles has hit Hoffman and Linebrink pretty well, and Vizcaino and the Gooch have done well against Linebrink over their careers.

I'd link the batter vs. pitcher stats, but the Cardinals roster at ESPN currently only shows only Scott Rolen and Mike Lincoln as active Cardinals.

by liam on Oct 3, 2006 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thus proving my original claim
that Scott Rolen and Mike Lincoln could carry a team into postseason by themselves
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2006 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats
Alas, the Rolen stats are current on the ESPN site for the past 10 days:  3 for 35 with one double.  Ouch.  Completely out of gas.

I guess demoting SR to 5th in the lineup is appropriate, but in truth he is giving Molina a run for his money, offensively, for the 8 spot of late.

by brdsnbt on Oct 3, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roster for Padres series
According the PD this morning

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/B9872B4FD582B04C862571FC0015D021 ?OpenDocument

Tony has until noon today to post the Roster.  I don't think there is room for both Vizcaino and Taguchi.  With Edmonds such a question mark I would expect him to take Taguchi.

by wildman on Oct 3, 2006 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who do you see on the bench?
We take 11 pitchers and 14 fielders. On top of the lineup, I'd bring:

LF-3B-1B-2B Scott "Chin Troll" Spiezio (S)
C-1B Gary "Sno Cones" Bennett (R)
OF Preston "P-Dub" Wilson (R)
LF-RF John Rodriguez (L)
SS-2B Jose Vizcaino (S)
SS-2B Aaron Miles (S)
OF So Taguchi (R)

Wouldn't mind seeing Skip out there for some base-stealing Piazza mockery, though.

by liam on Oct 3, 2006 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunatly
you listed 7 bench guys. I hope they go with So over Vizcaino, but who knows.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drat!
Stupid numbers.

Vizcaino has gone .348/.375/.609 in 23 at-bats since donning the birds-on-the-bat. With Edmonds' fragility, you'd have to take So instead of Viz.

by liam on Oct 3, 2006 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

60%-40%....
That's about right in my estimation.  We need to hit and hit early for at least four runs.  Carp will be on and we can establish our presence early.  That should take the bullpen trifecta out of the equation.  

What's the math look like on a team who steals homefield advantage?  I think we can roll them in four.  Then again, we could also easily be swept.  

by Brock20 on Oct 3, 2006 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

establishing presence
[Crash calls for a curve ball, Ebby shakes off the pitch twice]
Crash Davis: [stands up] Hey! HEY!
[walks to meet Ebby at the mound]
Crash Davis: Why are you shaking me off?!
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: [Gets in Crash's face] I want to give him the heat and announce my presence with authority!
Crash Davis: Announce your fucking presence with authority?!? This guy is a first ball, fast ball hitter!
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: Well he hasn't seen my heat!
Crash Davis: [pauses] Allright meat, show him your heat.
[Walks back towards the box]
Crash Davis: [To the batter] Fast ball comin'.

by john vb on Oct 3, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops
I meant to censor that.  I know this is a family friendly place lboros.  Feel free to edit my comment if that's within your power as site admin.

by john vb on Oct 3, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries
you're covered under the "bull durham" loophole

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lb
at the risk of having sarcasm misunderstood in its written form:

i'm a little disappointed at the lack of depth and thoroughness in this post.  i would have expected better.  

in all seriousness - nice breakdown.  realistic, yet optomistic.  statistically strong.  every aspect broken down.  

i am, more than usual, rooting hard against the yanks, just so the suits as espn have to put some other series on in the evening.

by sdesserman on Oct 3, 2006 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, lboros
I love how you can take numbers to explain how I feel about the Cards past and expected performance.  Makes me feel more rational about the raw emotions this time of year!

Now, if we could just convince your lovely bride to take you away on a surprise trip so we could take this series from the Padres......

by wildman on Oct 3, 2006 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

With Weaver slated for game 2,
It wouldn't surprise me to see us allow only 7 runs for the series, and sweep away the Pad's ourselves. Probably won't happen, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

by fuegophil on Oct 3, 2006 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Logic be damned...
I'm optomistic about this series.  Playoff baseball (as we've seen the past several years, and not for just the Cardinals) is a different beast.  Pitching depth, vital over 162 games, is less so in a five- or seven-game series.  One's fifth starter is usually in the bullpen, and may not throw at all.  "Middle relief"... usually the soft underbelly of any pitching staff... doesn't get used nearly as often.  And one guy getting hot (Carlos Beltran in '05, f'rinstance) can carry a team much further than the regular season would indicate.  Yeah, the Padres proved they were better than the Cards over 162 games... but not that much better!

I really like Tony's decision to make Wainer the closer in the post-season... he's young enough not to "know" he shouldn't be able to do that, and he comes into the game all pumped up and excited about the opportunity.  Plus, he's got a "swing-and-miss" pitch.

Pujols, Speezer (aka "The Soul Patch of Doom") and P-Dub are swinging the bats well right now.  Rolen, JEd, and Young Dunc all have the potential to get hot, and pitching Weaver in Game Two on the road and Soup in Game Three at home should maximize their chances of pitching well.

Besides, how can a team featuring Gary "Sno Cones In Hell" Bennett possibly lose?

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 3, 2006 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beltran was in '04...
but I agree with the rest. Go Cards!
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

out of curiosity
Can someone explain how Bennett gets the nick "Sno Cones"?

by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...
it had to do with them serving sno cones in hell when Gary hit two walkoffs in two nights (one being the Grand Slam)
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mulder
anyone know if MM is traveling with the team? I know Izzy is supposed to...

that would be a good indicator if there is much chance in him comming back next year, but I figure he has to to get his paycheck

by lookit55 on Oct 3, 2006 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunno, but...
I saw him at the postgame locker room celebration Sunday.  I'd imagine he's with them.
youneverknow

by meat on Oct 3, 2006 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols vs. Peavy
In Bloom's recent MLB article, he has these quotes from Peavy...

<quote>Jake Peavy, the Game 1 starter for the Padres, said that Pujols "was obviously not human" and that he wouldn't balk at walking him every time in a critical situation.

"I mean Pujols is the guy you cannot let beat you in this lineup," Peavy said. </quote>

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20061002&content_id=1696385& vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp

Too funny.  Anyone else remember the ESPN interview with Peavy before the Cardinal series earlier this year?  I can't remember exactly how the interview went, but Peavy implied he wasn't afraid of Albert and wouldn't pitch around him.  I remember thinking he was talking a little crap towards Albert.  Albert promptly deposited him beyond the wall.  

Albert's batter vs. pitcher stats are so stark even a sample-size-nazi like myself takes not.  

by RedbirdRay on Oct 3, 2006 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't expect our boys
to go far this year, but I would like to see one series in which both Rolen and Edmonds get hot at the same time, just for old time's sake.  Is that too much to ask?

Don't answer that.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A year ago...
It doesn't mean that much I know, ...
but a year ago the top half of our line-up destroyed Peavy.   Carpenter pitched 6 good innings.   The STL bullpen tried to give the game away, while the SDG bullpen shut us down.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=251004124

We need someone to be "Reggie Sanders" hot again this year :)

by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will
go ahead and nominate Ronnie Belliard for the "Reggie Sanders Memorial Hot NLDS Player"
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2006 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i'll nominate
yadi molina. when you least expect it . . . .

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Edmonds
I'd like to see Jimmy get hot, for old time's sake, especially since this is probably his farewell tour as a Cardinal. Remember, Reggie came back very late in September last year, and didn't do all that well in the regular season.  Then, in the NLDS... wow.

Reggie posted a September 2005 line of .171/.286/.686 in 35AB.

Jimmy posted a September 2006 line of .200/.200/.600 in 15AB.

by sgfcards on Oct 3, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing that box score
makes me miss Reggie, Larry, and Grudzy.  My guess is for Rolen to come out on fire.  Him or PDub, if he gets any playing time.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 3, 2006 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're thinking along similar lines
I nominate Rolen and Preston Wilson as well.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 3, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plug for weaver
one of my sons and i were at the new ballpark for the first time all year for friday night's game, and i just have to say that i believe in jeff weaver. he may not look like he's engaged, but he was determined and gritty and bore down when he needed to. i also heard him on the celebration show on sunday, and he sounded thrilled and hungry for more. i'm betting he pitches well in california--he's gotta want to show his little brother a thing or two.

by thatsawinner on Oct 3, 2006 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
as much as he looks like he doesnt want to be there when things go wrong, at least he doesn't pretend as if nothing bad is happening and doesn't talk about how it just wasnt his night after he gets shelled.

Unlike some dude who wears #21.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2006 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
that comment doesn't really make sense, but I hope you're picking up what I'm putting down.

Stupid lack of an edit button.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2006 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention
which Weaver brother is in the playoffs and which one is sitting at home?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 3, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may sound like a dumb question
but what is it about PetCo that makes it such a pitcher's park?  If the homerun totals are down, then that would make the fences further, leaving more space in the outfield to get down a double.  Is there alot of foul ground?  Is there some sort of Pacific breeze that always comes in from the outfield?  What am I missing?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 3, 2006 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more space for doubles
but those would be homeruns also turn into flyball outs.

and a double doesn't garuntee runs like a HR.  pitchers can get around the doubles...not so much when the ball goes over the fence

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Oct 3, 2006 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PetCo..
I went to one of the Cards games there over the Memorial Day Weekend this year...( the only one they won by the way..) and it seems to me that balls just die in the ally's there...The park is located near the water...but not like in SF..and the playing field faces away from where the water is....so I'm not sure if the buildings around there just help to swirll the wind back in or something...but I heard one or two cracks of the bat that I was just SURE were goners...and they ended up staying in the park.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From ESPN.com
Second time around?

Sep 29 - The Indians will pursue second baseman Ronnie Belliard during the offseason, a player they traded to St. Louis in July for Hector Luna, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports. Belliard is eligible for free agency after the season.

"He'll definitely be in the mix of second basemen we'll look at," manager Eric Wedge told the newspaper. "We all feel strongly about Ronnie."

Will having this in the back of his mind motivate him or distract him?

by effin fisk on Oct 3, 2006 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HILARIOUS
This coming from ESPN.com, talking about each team's advantage at each position:

2B: Josh Barfield versus Ronnie Belliard
Ronnie Belliard was the Cardinals big acquisition at the trade deadline. So clearly this is a team with no holes if Ronnie Belliard was all they needed.
Advantage: Cardinals

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 3, 2006 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear god...
funniest thing espn has ever put out. i loved it.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJ Gallo...
is what we call a "satirist."

It's SUPPOSED to be funny.  :D

by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Underdog/and Kruk
I like playing he role of underdog, but still dont expect the cards to do a whole lot...But Im physced(sp) that JED and Eck are back..them being gone factored in the slide...and hopefully AW as the closer will be good...SP will be a key if they can go 6-7 and keep the pen limited that'd be great...

Kruk said Rolen will be a key to this series..i couldnt agree more..if i was a manager Id walk AP everytim to make the 4-5 guys beat me...hed walk everytime this series..I woouldnt care if there was two on one out..what has Rolen or Juan done..esp.Rolen...

I hope since im on west coast I get the cards and no the A's

by punchinjudy on Oct 3, 2006 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone Else Concerned
That Chris Berman is doing the TV play-by-play? Apply beltsander to face. Season liberally with lemon juice. Salt to taste.

Serves one.

by jimstllax on Oct 3, 2006 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh no
back back back gone??? i hate watching it when he says Del la come and you got to Delhome for panthers highlights..and his hair is terrible

by punchinjudy on Oct 3, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's terrible period....
Chris Berman is so cool he doesn't have to describe what's occuring in the game...

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're
 with me leather.

by eglasier on Oct 3, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post
LB.  I completely agree with your assesment.  My heart is with the Cards, but my head says San Diego will win.

The only thing I disagree with is to so discount momentum.  Even when you (rightfully) discount starting pitching in much of the Cardinals' recent woes, you still need to look at the line up.  The truth is, even with Pujols, as long as ScoRo ain't hitting and JEd/ Eck are still not 100%, the line up is average.  That basically accounts for the Cards "momentum" and I don't see those conditions changing.

==================================

BTW, did anyone catch this TLR quote in Bernie's column yesterday?
"It's a big relief.  I don't think anyone on this club wanted to be associated with mugging that lead. That's one of those historic things you'll never forget - you're aware that, if you mug that, what it's going to do to each guy in uniform, each guy in the organization. We didn't want to be part of that. We fought like hell to avoid it, and we avoided it."

I think that confirms the opinion of many of us, that late in the season, the Cards seemed to be playing for a negative.  i.e. not wanting to choke/lose.  It also seems that TLR (and probably some players too) think that that kind of historic colapse is something that could have hurt the franchise for a long time.  Management, players and fans would have all remembered and not want to be associated with it.
   

The '06 Cards- The New '05 Padres? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 3, 2006 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone got predictions for the Playoff Roster
So who do you think will be left off the Playoff Roster? We don't need 5 starting pitchers for no reason at all. I expect eithier Reyes or Marquis to be left off.

Pitchers:

  1. Carpenter
  2. Weaver
  3. Suppan
  4. Marquis
  5. Reyes
  6. Wainwright
  7. Looper
  8. Flores
  9. Johnson
  10. Hancock
  11. Sosa
  12. Kinney
  13. Thompson
Only 11 of them can be on the roster, leaves 14 positonal players

Catchers

  1. Molina
  2. Bennett
Infielders
  1. Belliard
  2. Eckstein
  3. Miles
  4. Pujols
  5. Rolen
  6. Spiezio
  7. Vizcaino
Outfielders
  1. Duncan
  2. Edmonds
  3. Encarnacion
  4. Rodriguez
  5. Schumaker
  6. Taguchi
  7. Wilson
Who will get the cut? One pitchers and 2 positional players.

I want Marquis to be cut for the pitchers. Than Vizcaino and Taguchi to be cut. It will probably me Schumaker though. Even though he is a better fielder than Taguchi and faster. It could even be Rodriguez.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 3, 2006 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Schumaker, Viz
and hopefully Marquis.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 3, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truthfully,
I'd actually like Marquis out of the pen more than I'd like Sosa

by Valatan on Oct 3, 2006 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like...
you typed "11" twice in the pitcher category, so two will have to be cut and I think/hope those two will be Marquis and Sosa. Marquis obviously cannot start, and it is impossible to make the case that he would be more effective out of the pen than Kinney or Thompson given their recent success.

Viz and Schu will be the other cuts... pretty easy to make that call.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way the Goocher will be left off
LaRussa loves him, and he has lots of post-season experience if you include his Japan-playing days.

Schumaker probably gets left off along with Vizcaino. The odd-man out on the pitching staff has to be either Kinney, Sosa or Marquis, since Thompson carved 'em up the other day.

IMHO, of course.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 3, 2006 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

kinney
all though way better than marquis right now (sept he was pretty solid i believe)will get left off

by punchinjudy on Oct 3, 2006 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MARQUIS IN, REYES OUT.....
If we make it to the NLCS, this could get ugly...
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also, no vizcaino
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

always
a couple seconds ahead of me, abstl.

One wonders how much worse Marquis would have had to have pitched to have been left off the roster.

by DCGreg on Oct 3, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This roster...
is only for the NLDS... Changes can be made for the next round, I believe.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...
well I still dont like it, but that is better i suppose.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
I would have left Marquis off the roster simply on principle, but I don't think it matters too much. The rotation will be Carp, Weaver, Soup, Carp, Weaver on 3 days rest.

LaRussa had said he is not going to bring the kid out of the pen... I expect to see Marquis not at all except as a pinch hitter and a mop-up guy after we fall behind by 12.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can, but
if a 6.02 ERA doesn't cause TLR to keep Marquis off the roster, what could Marquis possibly do in the NLDS to change anything?

If anything, the advantage of Reyes over Marquis is more pronounced in the division series. One small plus for Marquis is his (supposed) ability to pitch in relief. But there should be less need for an extra reliever in the NLDS, given the more spread-out schedule (5 games in 7 days, rather than 7 games in 9 days).

No, it sounds like this team will go only as far as Jason Marquis can carry them.

by DCGreg on Oct 3, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And let's be honest...
Dave McKay could get more guys out than Jason Marquis.

by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe TLR...
just doesn't want to play Reyes. I don't agree with that.

The other possibility is that he figures it's better to have Weaver and Carp on short rest than put either Marquis or Reyes out there. I'm ok with that. If neither fits in to the pitching plan, might as well have Marquis for the pinch hitting and running.

In the NLCS, either Marquis or Reyes (or the bullpen) will have to start OR Carp will have to go on 3 days rest twice, Supp once, and Weaver once (assuming your schedule is correct).

The NLCS, if we get there, will be the real test of TLR's willingness to go with the rookie.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pinch hitting
The problem with that explanation is:

(1) What happens if Weaver gets shelled in Game 2? In that case, is the team really going to send him out there on short rest? Surely, a rested Reyes would be a better option that that.

(2) With 14 position players on the roster, there probably will be relative few occasions for Marquis to pinch hit.

by DCGreg on Oct 3, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't argue with either of those points...
There's a conspiracy theory going around that TLR sent out Reyes on Sunday to fail... Maybe so...

Another explanation is that, after Ankiel, and given DeWitt's new-found appreciation for young (cheap) pitching, TLR doesn't want a rookie on the mound in a one-game playoff, or a game 5 of the NLDS. Sooo... No reason to have Reyes around.

Maybe we'll see him next round in game 4.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe we'll see him next spring
pitching for the devil rays . . . . .

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why...
are we bringing Tino Martinez back?

by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, hell
Bernie just now reporting that Marquis is on the roster and Reyes is off. Unfrigginbelievable.

He also says Vizcaino is off.

by DCGreg on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Post Season Roster announced
Pitchers:

Carpenter
Weaver
Suppan
Marquis
Kinney
Thompson
Hancock
Looper
Wainwright
Johnson
Flores

Position players:
Molina
Bennett
Pujols
Belliard
Miles
Eckstein
Rolen
Spiezio
Duncan
Edmonds
Encarnacion
Wilson
Taguchi
Rodriguez

Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not don't go crazy folks.....
but I really think that Jason Marquis ...is going to make one really positive addition in this series.....with His BAT ....of course...

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what dirt does Marquis have on TPTB?
Anyone? I'm open for all sorts of wild speculation, because I can't see any justification that Marquis somehow earned his playoff roster spot.

by bailorg on Oct 3, 2006 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing ....
 a little over 5 MILLION reasons......

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't that be outweighed by the added revenue -
from actually advancing to further rounds of the playoffs?

I'm not saying that Marquis means we won't advance further, but the chances of advancing are probably greater with him off.

by bailorg on Oct 3, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...
I was just kind of talking "toungue in cheek " there....but ...he has playoff experience and Reyes doesn't...and lets face it?  It's not like Reyes has pitched all that much better than him lately anyway...I guess I'm just saying that Marquis on the roster is the LEAST of the Cardinals worries against this Padre club right now. Hitting the ball consistantly when we have scoring opportunities would dwarf that issue in importance to me at this point.  He's not going to start a game anyway ...you watch...Tony will go with one of the others on short rest.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reyes helped break the last losing streak
6 innings of 1-run ball when the cards were in truly desperate straits.

he struggled, like all rookies did; bottom line, he's got more ability than marquis does. jason is simply a bad baseball player; the jury's still out on reyes

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
but he has also shown that he can get shelled just as bad as Marquis...Look, it's six of one or half a dozen of the other to me... Certainly not anything that is going to make or break this series in my opinion. I'd be more concerned with our OFFENSE showing up than worrying about some bottom of the roster pitcher right now.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not make or break
but the fact that la russa still thinks jason marquis can help the cardinals is not encouraging.

i give reyes a pass for sunday's game -- he didn't even know he was going to start until he got to the ballpark, and he was on short rest. as bad as he has been, he's still a full run better in era than marquis --- that's a big difference.

reyes came up big in several big games this year; jason marquis has never done that in his life.

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yabut...
given that neither Reyes nor Marquis is going to pitch in any meaningful situation, isn't Marquis the preferred choice? I mean, I'd rather have Marquis out there when we're down by 10 than risk another Ankiel moment with our best chip. Also, Marquis is a pretty decent 6th guy on the bench... His numbers this year are down, but he did make your Number 1 biggest win possible.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we need marquis for his bat
then it's much, much worse than i thought . . . .

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...
Jeff Fassero must have given him the pictures of TLR with the goat.

This may be the dumbest move we've made in quite a long time.  Even dumber than Haren-for-Mulder.

by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumber than Haren for Mulder?
This may be dumber than dumb. This may be really, uber dumb. I swear, the guy spreads the losing bug like it's avian flu, let's just hope AP and CC and others are the antidote.

Or, we could always hope JM pisses off Ronnie B, and Ronnie calls some of his boys to........

by fuegophil on Oct 3, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

game 5
Right now with the rotation set up the way it is, if we get to a game 5 we'll have a choice of weaver on short rest, or Marquis. We better win before then, or we're screwed

by cardsfan2222 on Oct 3, 2006 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm picking Eck
to be the Hero of this series.  He looked great when he first came back.  Here's hoping his hammy feels good and he has a big offensive series.

by OCCardsFan on Oct 3, 2006 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus
We all remember he hit at PetCo last year.

That was nice.

by dontEATnachos on Oct 3, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does...
... always seem like an underdog team has to have a major contribution from an unexpected source to win it all.  I'm picking Molina.  I think he's due.  Not only will he start hitting the ball well, but he'll get luckier than he has been.  Seems like a lot of his hard hit balls are right at someone.

by punditmoi on Oct 3, 2006 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget, it wasn't just Haren for Mulder
it was Haren and Calero and somebody else for Mulder.

Right up there with Ernie Broglio.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 3, 2006 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not even close..
to the Broglio trade. Lou Brock is a HOF, Haren / Calero / Barton will not = HOFers.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like
Willie McGee for Bob Sykes
The '06 Cards- The New '05 Padres? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 3, 2006 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a bad trade
in retrospect.  But Broglio for Brock bad?

No.

As bad as 1 year of A.J. Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser?

No.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 3, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What respect..
Just noticed that the espn.com homepage shows pictures of a stars of each series w/ their gametimes shown.  they don't even list the cards series.

by toris34 on Oct 3, 2006 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not to defend espn too much, but...
we're there....peavy and pujols on the far right
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Oct 3, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it
really matter? It's just a website.

by cardsrul on Oct 3, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what to think about Reyes
We know that Reyes is not really one who can come out of the bullpen. Marquis can, and he can pinch-hit.

The only time Marquis or Reyes would be used to start is either in a game 4 (with us up 2-1 in the series) or a game 5. Odds are with Reyes, I doubt Tony would use him in a pivitol game 5 and would use weaver on short rest. With Marquis, would Tony do the same? I don't know.

Assuming that NEITHER would be allowed to start a game, I can understand going with Marquis. Now if make it to the NLCS and Reyes isn't starting over Marquis, I'll completely loose my mind. Right now, I'm not 100% against this move, just 80% against leaving Reyes off.

by jimstllax on Oct 3, 2006 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Marquis
is the worst starting pitcher in all of baseball. To even think of using him in game five would be strong evidence of insanity or downright game-throwing.

At least we have low expectations of this whole series...

by lawman3842 on Oct 3, 2006 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

marquis sucks the life
out of the team every time he takes the mound. don't know why you would ever use him when it mattered.

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa is crazy
Jason Marquis completly gets owned by all the Padres  players. This is completly crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=4409&teamId=25&sort=OPS

Reyes pitched good against them. Marquis is a horrible 1st inning pitchers so how can he be any good coming out of the pen?

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 3, 2006 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep...
San Diego vs Marquis OPS 1.059
San Diego vs Reyes   OPS 0.482

by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes on Sunday
was a pre-text for what TLR did today. He put him out there on short-rest to further rationalize leaving him off the roster.

This is so stupid...I'm so pissed.

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sure looks that way
he ambushed the kid; reyes didn't respond well.

gives la russa cover for leaving him off the team.

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that is true at all...
with all respect...I just think that both Reyes and Marquis are about equal in what they offered this team for this playoff series pitching wise. At least Marquis has playoff experience. I wouldn't be any more confident with Reyes pitching than Marquis at this point to tell you the truth.  Marquis offers a extra quality bat off the bench also.. and I'm not so sure THAT isn't what got him the nod over Reyes in the end.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contrast...
Wed Reyes with Thurs Marquis's performance.  That is all you need.  Throw out Sunday...it was an ambush.

Both games were playoff-level-stakes. Marquis is DEFEATED. He has NOTHING. Reyes will compete...if he got into trouble, we'd have thompson/hancock waiting in the wings.

This shouldn't even be a debate. Marquis is an embarrassment. And this pitch hit/run bs doesn't pass muster either. That is what a BENCH is for..we have plenty of BETTER pinch runnners/hitters on the bench.

JEsus, just look at Marquis's numbers this year!

BAA .179     Obp .210     SLG.256     OPS .466

Nice bat off the bench, eh??!?!??

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moot point now....
He's on the roster..and that is that.  I would hope that the knowledgable and supportive Cardinal fans would now move past this and Support him if and when he does get into any game as they would anyone else with the Birds on their Chest. Is Marquis a good pitcher right now?  Hell no...he sucks ...absolutely. But we are in the playoffs, and every single big mouth ESPN / FOX etc...guy is telling the world that we don't belong here and are going to get our ass swept. So if Marquis pitches? I'm going to root him on the best I can, and that won't be easy..I know...but I want to beat the hell of them this series..and I have to believe that he does too..  

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, duh...
...of course I'll root for the cardinals. Of course, I'll root for Marquis. I'd love to be pleasantly be surprised to seem him hit a game winning walk-off pinch-hit HR in game 3, then pitch a 8IP, 1H, 0R gem in game 5 to send the cards to the nlcs.

But, we can still be critical of this decision. That is what this site is for right? Criticism...discussion...debate?

Not, rah, rah! Go team!

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen man..
I voiced my opinion....you voiced yours... I just don't see that freaking out about a last resort pitcher is that important of an issue at this point. But I didn't insult you with a " Duh" now did I?. And a little Rah Rah go team IS a part of this blog too isn't it?  I've seen it a Hundred times...so perhaps you could remember that I'm a Cards fan just like you, and have my own and differnt opinions on how to go about being a fan and leave the "Duh's" out of it.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the...
..."duh"...indeed, in poor taste.

I'm just really pissed about this decision.  Esp, after what Marquis did Thurs..

And it's not such a minor issue...in game 5 it could loom large.

Matt

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem Matt.
You are right...It could be a real problem. But if Rolen and Belli and perhaps even JEdmonds come out smok'in at the plate? We won't even have to think about Mr. Marquis and his increadible floating sinker...GO CARDS!!!!

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems a little...
difficult to believe... I mean, 3 of his last 7 starts were complete washouts, he wasn't really that good against SD last time... He plays and TLR's trying to get him, he sits and TLR is trying to get him...

Fact is, the kid has an era over 5, and when he is good he requires the bullpen to hold up for 3-4 innings. Weaver on 3 days rest is preferable, I highly doubt we'll see Marquis on the mound against SD.

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Marquis won't be on the mound...
...he shouldn't take-up a pitching spot on the roster.

See my above post for his stellar numbers at the plate this year.

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't want...
Reyes as a mop-up guy, and they don't want him on the mound in Game 5.

Given his track record, the best case scenario for a Reyes Game 5 is about 9 or 10 baserunners allowed over 5 innings and then pray for double plays and runners stranded. Worse case is another washout. If you think 10/2 shouldn't count, go back to the one on 9/8 three starts prior or the one on 8/16 two starts before that. A final game disaster is not what is needed given his importance this offseason as trade bait.

Marquis' hitting is better than this year's numbers indicate.

Who got on base before Albert on April 16th in lboros' biggest game of the year?

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is that a base-case scenario?
they pitched him in a must-win last wednesday and he gave the pads fits. see my game-thread post --- reyes has proven he's very capable of pitching well in the clutch.

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno...
if I would describe that start as giving them "fits".

He definitely pitched well... he set them down in order only once in 7 innings... They didn't get any xbhs, and he didn't panic when runners got on. He allowed 9 baserunners in 6 innings...

He'd be fortunate to match that start given the Pads have now seen him once...

by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, not "fits"
but that was an impressive start.

the crowd gave jeff weaver a standing O two nights later for going 5 2/3 and allowing 3 runs; and that start cemented weaver's status as the game 2 starter.

surely reyes' start was superior to that -- and it came against a much better team. they were both gritty starts, but reyes' was more impressive.

by lboros on Oct 3, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR
was not going to use Reyes in the rotation or out of the pen, so I don't know why everyone is surprised. Face it, the kid is not long for this team...

by cardsrul on Oct 3, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquis is the kind of pitcher who,
as Herzog would say, will get a manager fired.  I'm thiiiiiiiis close to hoping Jason is exactly that, in game 5 of this series.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I can think of...
... is that LaRussa expects a blow out loss in one of the first three games.  The only thing Marquis is good for at this point is to go out and take one for the team to save the bullpen. The only ways we should ever see JM is to PR, PH or to take us from down 6-0 to down 12-0 without using up arms from the pen.

I've never been on the dump LaRussa bandwagon, but this has me wondering.  I'm already at a point where I would not be at all sorry to see him leave and I'll start lobbying for it if Marquis starts a game.

by punditmoi on Oct 3, 2006 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bill DeWitt could
turn around a lot of fan anger if TLR lets Marquis start a playoff game and DeWitt responds by going all Steinbrenner on Tony in the papers.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was furious with this decision at first...
...but now I guess it may make a touch of sense.  Marquis/Reyes won't be starting a game in this series.  It's Carp-Weav-Soup-Carp/Weav.  I think they said in the past that Reyes can't be used in the bullpen.  I don't know why, but it's been pointed out.  Marquis can, effective or ineffective.  He can also hit.

So from that standpoint, he makes more sense.  However, if we advance to the NLCS and Reyes is left off the roster again, I'm writing a letter.  I don't know who to, maybe my congressman, maybe the Comish, who knows.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely AGREE...
in a SEVEN game series?...They better put this kid on the roster for sure...I just think that in this Five gamer Marquis or Reyes is a toss up.

by Timbo02 on Oct 3, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im disapointed like the rest
of you, but not shocked...JM over reyes is not dumber than the mUlder move, and it wont make or brake the series...unless Marquis goes today instead of Carp...People all yr have over valued Reyes..he has been decent, but still a rookie..Why is anyone shocked that he got left off? Maybe if reyes dazzled sunday hed be on..

hes not proven and TLR already has 2 rooks in the pen why add a 3rd? I would have liked ot see it, but if hes not gonna start i see the logic behind the move

by punchinjudy on Oct 3, 2006 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Reyes has been decent.  The same can not be said about Marquis.

We kept one the worst pitchers in the league over a decent pitcher.  That's still an egregious lapse in judgment.

Why add a 3rd rookie?  Because that rookie is capable of pitching well.  Marquis is not.

by Nate811 on Oct 3, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

marquis
I wish I could watch the same games of Marquis that LaRussa apparently does

by truemun12 on Oct 3, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Reyes out of the pen
Because of his past arm trouble, it takes Reyes longer to warm up than normal, so putting him in the pen is really not possible, given Tony's penchant for using relievers.

by cardsrul on Oct 3, 2006 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zito
... has a no-hitter thru 4 1/3.  A's lead the Twins and Santana 2-0 in the 5th.

by punditmoi on Oct 3, 2006 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Barry
Guess I jinxed him.  Rondell White just doubled to break up the no-no with 2 outs in the 5th.

by punditmoi on Oct 3, 2006 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quote
Regarding starting Reyes on saturday:

"It wasn't even a tough call," La Russa said. "I was surprised at how easy the call was. I did notice that there was some disagreement with the decision because they felt like it was a risk. Maybe I'm dumb about that. I didn't see the risk."

THEN WHY ISN'T HE ON THE PLAYOFF ROSTER!?

Acquire Barry Zito!

by aet15 on Oct 3, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

El Duque injured
won't be starting Game 1.

Sure would be nice to play the Mets in the first round.

Glavine
Traschel
Maine

The best money can buy.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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