NLDS Game 1 Open Thread: October 3, 2006

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15-8, 3.09 11-14, 4.09
la russa doesn't waste any time, eh? nary a pitch has been thrown, and already he's got half the fan base screaming bloody murder. in case you haven't heard, jason marquis is on the playoff roster; anthony reyes isn't. should have seen this one coming . . . . . obviously they've already decided to go with three starters in this series, with weaver going on short rest in game 5. if we assume that's the case, and that neither reyes nor marquis would have gotten a start under any circumstances, then the surprise sunday outing for reyes -- he didn't even know he was going to pitch until he got to the ballpark -- must have been intended as a simulated "bullpen appearance." tony/dave weren't looking for a starter, they were looking for a reliever -- and they wanted to see how reyes would respond when called into a game on short notice. reyes failed the test, so they went with marquis, who has experience coming out of the pen.
that's the only way i can make sense of the thought process here. marquis is a dreadful baseball player and has just the type of head (ie, hot) you don't want in a tense situation; he sucks the life out of the team every time he takes the mound. i pray we never see him -- not even if the cardinals are leading 10-0.
too bad la russa doesn't trust the rookie to make a start in this series, though. he has pitched his best games when the cards needed him most -- staunching the bleeding at comiskey, breaking the 2d eight-game losing streak, winning a big game at cincinnati the day after a devastating walkoff loss, and above all calmly quieting the padres last week to help break the 7-game losing streak. with the rest of the team sporting that deer-in-the-headlights look, reyes pitched with considerable fortitude --- more than jason marquis has ever shown at any point in his career. certainly more than marquis showed last thursday, when he lay down meekly before a weak milwaukee lineup.
whatever. it's la russa's team; he gets to make the decisions, we just get to bitch about them. with that, i turn over the floor to The Rev, who accepted my invitation to weigh in with a few pre-postseason thoughts:
As "the Rev," I guess I'm supposed to be the voice of conciliation and comfort, and give an optimistic report here. My reasons to be optimistic: Chris Carpenter could possibly get 2 starts, and last year he showed he could flip the switch when he needed to in the postseason after a bad September. Jeff Suppan has a 2.39 ERA in the 2nd half, and even Jeff Weaver in September looked like he could actually do something right. Adam Wainwright has the look of a good closer, and best of all . . . we have the Great Pujols. In April, Pujols took this mediocre team and made it look like a great one. Plus, with the whole "underdog" factor, maybe a team that usually looks uptight in the playoffs can relax and enjoy October, with a go-get-'em mentality.
Okay, now on the REM "losing my religion" side of things. The Cardinals have to face some dominant starters in Peavy and Young and a soft-tossing lefty in Fatty Wells. To go with a pretty solid starting core, the Padres have the best bullpen in the National League and an improved lineup thanks to some pretty good offseason moves from GM Kevin Towers. The Cardinals really haven't been hitting all that well in the last month or so, outside of Spiezio and Pujols. Rolen and his creaky shoulder has taken away much of Albert's protection, and I'm not sure strikeout-prone, all-or-nothing guys like Belliard, Encarnacion, Duncan and Wilson are up to the task of facing this San Diego pitching staff. Somehow, Spiezio should be worked into the lineup, and here's hoping Edmonds gets a few cracks at things. And to pile on, the bullpen has been pretty awful since Izzy went out.
Purely from an observational standpoint, I don't see this Cardinal team getting out of the NLDS, let alone contending. Honestly, I see them 3 and out and having to punt. I suppose it's human nature to make judgments based on what you saw someone do last, so perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic. If they can steal a game in San Diego, maybe they have a chance. Nobody in the NL looks like they could run away with it; my pick to represent the NL in the Series is the Friars, and I can't say that with any level of real confidence. If you believe in ESP or whatever, my wife correctly predicted the outcome of every series last postseason. (Not too happy when she prophesied gloom on my Birds!) She picked the Cardinals to win this series at least; I do hope she's right. I'll try and walk by faith here, and not by sight -- anything can happen over a short series. So I'll be root, root, rooting to see the Birds pull off the upset.
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Go Cards
I don't buy the explanation
it may not be true
the knee-jerk explanation may well be the true one --- but i just don't want to go there.
I had this thought
If that was really the case, LaRussa deserves to be fired, purely for the sin of seriously mis-managing one of any organization's most useful assets (young starting pitching). I have a hard time believing that was the case...but I also don't know and haven't heard any other plausible explanation.
i don't agree with 3 starters
You would think
That's a bad decision
TLR needs a monkey
And the monkey needs a hammer, and whenever TLR has a "eureka moment", the monkey hits TLR on the head with the hammer.
That would be darn good television.
Only,
Nah, just one shot
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
you sure about that?
Reyes
Oh well, we're playing with house money this offseason. Go Cards!!!
For Anthony Reyes's sake
The disconnect
by brdsnbt on Oct 3, 2006 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live
First of all, Marquis was never bumped from the rotation despite having possibly the worst season of any starting pitcher in recent memory. And then, just when it seemed that TLR and DD had finally had enough and that we would never have to suffer through another one of his appearances, he reappears - in a place that he seems particularly ill-suited for.
When in the world has Jason ever given anybody any reason to believe that the pressure cooker of a postseason bullpen is a place for him? Hopefully, he will only be used when a game is out of hand one way or another. That said, I don't really trust TLR's playoff pitching decisions, and it wouldn't shock me to see Mr. Marquis be called on in an important situation.
by steve in georgia on Oct 3, 2006 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
that was a hilarious
i agree w/ your last point --- i'm bracing myself for la russa to call marquis in to preserve a 7th-inning tie, while kinney and thompson sit on the bullpen bench in their warmup jackets.
You just know it's coming.
by steve in georgia on Oct 3, 2006 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
I would say the same about Reyes..unproven and they already have two unproven rooks coming out of the pen..a 3rd is not a good thing and one who has not pitched outof the pen all yr....
I disagree about Reyes. He obviously hasn't lived
Just off the top of my head, I can't remember Marquis doing that at any point this year, but perhaps my memory is faulty at the moment. It's been known to happen before.
by steve in georgia on Oct 3, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont
Ok
Marquis' value
by wcheuk on Oct 3, 2006 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
actually
by jojo5492 on Oct 3, 2006 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone just catch the ESPN
As long as he...
I hope Girardi does win NL Manager of the Year now.
by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont believe in the whole curse
You know what
he'd be less likely to accept it
by dontEATnachos on Oct 3, 2006 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not buying it
But why do bats go silent
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
UH
Your first post
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Today's Game
Hell, I have no idea what I'm trying to say.
Go Cards
by AtlantaBird on Oct 3, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
It's probably
by 26thMan on Oct 3, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what I've been saying ...
agreed
Sat the top 4 guys were getting it doen and the bottom half sucked..
the manager can't control
as for why the cards' bats go silent every postseason -- it's because good pitching beats good hitting. a cliche, but 100 pct true. the cards ran into great pitching the last two postseasons and they stopped hitting. no mystery.
the way you beat that is to outpitch the other guy . . . . all comes back to the pitching.
Oh wise one . . .
If we whack JAKE around like a rented mule, which we WILL, is that good hitting or bad pitching?
All I'm saying is, hot bats CAN win games in October. We've got talent, and streaky guys, and this IS October.
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 3, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's both ways though
Sincerely,
Confused
Agreed
Oakland & Minnasota
Frank Thomas...
Make that 3 for 4
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What a great pick-up
I follow the Orioles,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He who will not be named.
And for the record if it goes 5 games I can't think of a more appropriate pitcher than JM to start. Doesn't it make sense that this most schizophrenic of teams starts its most schizophrenic pitcher when the season is on the line?
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BTW, ESPN announcers are talking about "Genius Tony." Yuck!
I only wish he had been named ...
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland wins 3-2
I'm a bad person...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
First time they've lost since sometime in '05
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Enhanced Gameday
Go Cards!
Noticed that as well
by Just Rope Ball on Oct 3, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate your calming words, Rev...
"It's all over people! We don't have a prayer!"
by 26thMan on Oct 3, 2006 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
hancock
Oct. 2
News: Hancock's MRI Saturday for an abdominal strain did not show anything amiss, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.
I completely missed this- when did he injure himself?
crap berman and orel
Cardinal radio pregame
New lineup per ESPN broadcast:
eckstein, ss
duncan, lf
pujols, 1b
edmonds, cf
rolen, 3b
encarnacion, rf
belliard, 2b
molina, c
carpenter, sp
Righty,lefty,righty,left,righty.
According to Kruk, Pads only have 1 lefty in the pen.
Is that Vernon Wells?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
Yup
by stlmapman on Oct 3, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wells...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, bellyaching's over
I'm a fan. I use my heart . . . only. If they want to pay me to run the team, THEN I'll use my head. Til then, I want the guys with the B-on-B jerseys to win, and I DON'T CARE who's wearing them. If Carp lays an egg today, I'm mad at him - for today. If "that guy" throws 3 shutout innings in relief and/or gets a pinch-hit, he's a hero to me - for today.
I'm not an analyst, I'm not a manager, I'm not a player, I'm not a sportswriter, I'm not an agent, and I'm DEFINITELY NOT a "baseball fan." I'm a G*dd*mn CARDINAL FAN and I root for the ones with the B-on-B.
Now let's buckle down and lay great big crooked number on these *ssholes in the first inning. I don't like Padres, and I don't like guys named JAKE. Ballparks should be named for BEER, not a damned pet store.
I need some help from Belly and Rotten and JEd and all them whats taken the summer off. That's fine, don't know why anyone wants to win by 40 games when 1.5 will do anyway. But it's NUT-CUTTING time and there's only two kinds left: them that cut, and them that gets cut.
So CMON!! and LET'S SCORE SOME D*MN RUNS!!!!
Uh. Er. That is all. Carry on.
Big Brother
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 3, 2006 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
EL Duque
As Hunter Thompson would say...
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
The BEST way to watch this game
by stlmapman on Oct 3, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
I dont know if I can handle a full game of Berman
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
TLR
Sometimes...
by brianp88 on Oct 3, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Here goes nothin...
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
Okay - so "Enhanced" Gameday
Kind of like upgrading from Windows 95 to 98?
Overflow threads
biggest upgrade I see is...
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Go to hell, MLB.com
Next time anyone meets someone who has a position of authority for MLB's online media, please kick them in the balls for me.
MOJO
4 sweeps
EVERY home team has LOST today! (Ok, it's only one game, MINUTE lost)
Edmonds after Pu?
the last pitch of the inning
cards in 4
yeah, lot of pressure. you gotta rise above it. you gotta harness in the good energy, block out the bad. harness energy, block bad. feel the flow, happy. feel it. it's circular. it's like a carousel. you pay the quarter, you get on the horse. it goes up and down and around. circular. circle. with the music. the flow... all good things.
let's go boys. all good things.
frame...
i was gonna say the same.
all i'm saying is we better get those calls also
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
not a good start
This ump's strike zone
by 26thMan on Oct 3, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ummmm....
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
That's a generous strike zone
by stlmapman on Oct 3, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
At least the were pretty patient at bats
Looks like
What is the best site for a gameday?
enhanced gameday
This uses the ESPN K-zone system instead of the regular gameday coders who simply plug in where they think the pitch is.
WTF
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 3, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
mlb.com audio
Thanks...
We need a non dwarf shortstop! haha
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Peavy's
Could it be Roberts?
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Cmon Carp
carp
That was hot
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
YADI !!!!!!!
NIce turn by Eck,
that's $99.99!
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Carps got the BIG hook workin' early
Brian Giles has great #'s vs Carp I think..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Actually..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
IB
Just kiddin!
deffinetly
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 3, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
abstl
We keep him leading off innings and batting with no one on and we are gonna have a few off days before the NLCS!
pitch breakdown
7 fastballs, 4 for strikes -- 1 base hit
8 curves, 5 for strikes -- 1 out (the dp)
1 straight changeup, 1 strike -- 1 out (the k)
He got
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 3, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah...
That wasn't one though.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Peavys pitches...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
JEd hit the ball...
Jimmy
radios about 5 secs ahead of TV
Walk rate
Patience boys...
Rolen popped it up...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
It's good that the offense is so in tune with Carp
Doeshe way Juan flails at low and outside pitches,
This strike zone is ridiculous.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Is it that bad?
He's getting 3 or 4 inches
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We are screwed
JAKE
dang, and I paid the guy $50 bucks, too
The Pads
Blister on peavy!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Jake Peavy
by ryanisforever on Oct 3, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Blister
How about a 'Hanger Banger' from Yadi?
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 3, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
5 pitch inning for carp...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
I know
AND JAKE PEAVY IS THE NEXT ROGER CLEMENS.
by ryanisforever on Oct 3, 2006 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
blister
was that JAKE with a blister?
I'm serious
They've got to pull him. It's irresponsible for the manager to leave him in with that grotesque injury. It could scab over, and the scab fall off and fly up in his eye! You never know.
They've got to lift him -- for the children
Ryan is right (and forever)
Do it...
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
BASE HIT BELLIARD
Ooh yeah
You're still the next Clemens, Peavy.
by ryanisforever on Oct 3, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
Mini-Manny
by tudor rooter on Oct 3, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
btw...
Is it fair to say his rookie-reign has been foiled by scouting reports and pitching stategy?
pretty sure
I made that post...
works like a charm....
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Roberts is such a pesk...
opinion
by esteban on Dec 4, 2006 12:25 PM EST reply actions



















