Three down...
The St. Louis Cardinals are now one game away from being Natinal League Champions. On the 27th of September, I wrote:
RIP, best Cardinal team I have ever lived to see. Maybe this will be a reverse of previous years, and we'll randomly see you show up when it most matters. But if not, I'll miss you.
It seems that they have chosen to randomly show up. This team seems to be built out of an entirely different stuff than the regular season team that we saw this year. The regular season squad would have simply curled over and died after the Mets put up two runs behind Glavine, especially after the soul-crushing loss that we witnessed on Sunday. I certainly felt a bit deflated afterward.
But then Albert hit a home run. Instantly, all the junior high school gossip about him was thrown out the window. Albert's not performing; this team needs it's best player; he better back up this stuff he said about Glavine: All gone.
That home run didn't even tie the game, but what it did do is let the Cardinals believe that they actually come back and win this thing. The successive at bats just seemed to look better after that. It never felt like the Mets were out of the game after that (they certaintly threatened to tie the game multiple times), but it felt like the Cardinals were in it.
There is a lot more praise to go around last night, of course. Weaver is beginning to look like the player that he was meant to be when he left Detroit (by the way, Jeremy Bonderman is one of the players Detroit got in return for Weaver, if you like those storylines). He deserves a lot of the credit for the team not deflating under pressure. There were a couple of points last night, where a lesser, not to be named, pitcher would have collapsed and let the game be opened up:
- He was getting squeezed in the 1st, and allowed a first and second, one out situation--he got Delgado to hit into a forceout, and then got a strikeout against David Wright with runners on first and third
- In the fourth, when the Mets put up their two runs, they were still left with a runner on second with no outs--Weaver worked through the back of the Mets order, and got the guys he should have, and stopped the bleeding
- In the fifth, he came to the mound, visibly starting to get tired, and got out the heart of the Mets order, and then came and got three more outs in the sixth
Weaver didn't look at his best last night, and his line of six hits, two walks, and one strikeout through six isn't exactly indicative of dominance, but he got his job done.
And again, what can you say about Adam Wainwright? The guy apparently is completely unflappable--he comes into the game, in a very debatable decision, and proceeds to get all four outs he needs with nary a baserunner allowed, and two strikeouts.
This team now has to take one win out of the next two, and they will have completed the most complicated, roundabout route to a World Series berth that I have ever witnessed. But for now, I'm going to bask in the glory of a hard-fought win.
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maybe it's a different team
by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Different closer?
(Izzy as a closer, makes a damn good cheerleader on the bench)
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
'87 ?
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's payback...
by tinstl on Oct 18, 2006 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly ...
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
need to win one
by punchinjudy on Oct 18, 2006 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One very small, cool thing:
I just think it's cool that Eldred is doing that.
by steve in georgia on Oct 18, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An interesting character has emerged
Now he's back in stride, driving in RBI #1 and providing a huge emotional boost, but it was still up to everyone else to account for runs 2, 3, and 4, and to keep the Mets' runs off the board.
Detroit's pitching looks to give Pujols fits, if we reach the next round -- they are similar in makeup to the Cubs' staff that Bert batted so woefully against -- so this team dynamic becomes increasingly important.
I have a notoriously poor memory, but how often has a team suddenly gelled like this, closing the gaps in their performance and raising their entire standard of play just at the right time?
by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those world champion
by matty fred on Oct 18, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call on the Twins
Hey Matty - hope Boston's treating you well.
by jasontoon on Oct 18, 2006 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an interesting comparison...
I think in a way this Cardinal team compares with the 1996-97 Yankees, just because they're winning with so many spare parts. The '96 Yankees had a bad rotation - young Pettite and old David Cone were about the only pitchers they could lean on, but they had Riviera/Wetteland in the bullpen and it was enough to win four of five very close games after being blown out 12-1 in Game 1.
The obvious difference is that those Yankees gelled a lot earlier in the season, but they also benefitted from the transition from the white-knuckle-tight managing style of Buck Martinez to the laid back approach of Joe Torre, which is paralleled in a way between bad Tony and good Tony...
by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was more thinkiing
by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you meant Showalter...
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thoughts on the duncan PH decision
the situation: cards up 3-2, one out, nobody on, and 9 outs to go. left-handed pitcher on the mound; RH batter seemingly in order.
two of the possible RH batters --- miles and bennett -- were off limits because they were the only backups at their respective positions. e.g., if tony had used miles there, he couldn't have double-switched later in the game. so those two were out.
the other two RH batters were spezio and taguchi. you might argue that both were too valuable to use in that situation. you want spiezio for a higher-leverage situation, ie possibly later in the game with men on base; if the mets had come back to tie it or take the lead, you'd still want the weapon on the bench. and taguchi is the team's best (only) outfield defensive replacement --- with the game heading into the late innings and stl clinging to a 1-run lead, maybe tony didn't want to burn gooch in that situation.
so that left only two options, duncan and j-rod. it was sheer luck that duncan hit the home run, and i don't think tony chose duncan because he believed dunc was the best hitter for that situation. he was simply the most expendable bench player to use in a low-leverage situation.
smart managing plus dumb luck = huge insurance run.
by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that
by MichiganBird on Oct 18, 2006 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thought
by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Duncan's eye
Also note that Feliciano is known for getting hitters to chase. Tony has really been impressed (as have I) at Duncan's improvements in taking pitches as the season's progressed (remember his first time around in June when everybody here called him KDunc).
Duncan looked a little eager early in the series but I was really glad to see that at bat. He did not get fooled on those outside off-speed pitches early in the AB and waited for a mistake.
JRods much more of a contact hitter but I never think of him as a tough AB able to grind out a reliever for a mistake.
by enoscountry on Oct 18, 2006 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice analysis
low risk managing plus dumb luck plus terrible pitch = huge insurance run
by sdesserman on Oct 18, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Italy we say...
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Oct 18, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Braves?
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for my english...
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Oct 18, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with the logic, but ...
Whatever, I guess.
by DCGreg on Oct 18, 2006 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
by lawman3842 on Oct 18, 2006 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis, Larry.
As far as Dunc coming up with the big fly, I think he anticipated the curve. I know that when Feliciano shook off the sign, I thought, "curve ball coming". He had Dunc swinging over one earlier, he was going to go back to it to try to finish him off. Dunc may very well have guessed the same and been waiting on that curve.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do we get -
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
p-dub
and inning later, he doubles to deep right-center for a much needed rbi.
thus endeth the "where's speeze" conversation.
i agree though, i'd like to see him in there. maybe tlr thinks it's best to use him off the bench? don't know.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speezer doesn't hit left-handers
by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jayson Stark
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2630284
by trogdor on Oct 18, 2006 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another espn writer...
So we don't care if the Mets' playoff rotation consists of Oliver Perez, Darren Oliver, Oliver Stone and Sir Laurence Olivier. This is one hardly anybody saw coming.
Is exactly why espn is sad. The Mets that won 97 games are without their "ace", and another of their best pitchers. They putting a rookie on the mount for games 2/6, and a kid who is 3-13 in game 4.
Instead of saying "oh, mets 97 wins, cards suck, mets win in 5 games", why not just take a look at the pitching matchups in the actual games.
Weaver has been hot ever since September. Carpenter is the reignning cy young.
Soup has 2nd best ERA since all-star break.
Mets have treaded water to get here. (Something like 15-15 in last 30 games?) Not exactly an amazing team down the stretch themselves.
Take those numbers, look at the actual pitching matchups and you gotta say that St. Louis has an advantage in 3 out of the 7 games, and the others are closer than you think.
Sit Rolen, Start Spiezo. Easiest coaching decision I can make.
by redbird2006in on Oct 18, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Treading water
Granted a closer look at pitching matchups made this a much more even series, but still this is more than just a little bit of a surprise to most
by Zubin on Oct 18, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And evidence that
by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup..
This said it goes against the cards winning this many post-season games. I am not complaining though...
by BigJawnMize on Oct 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice writup!!
im haveine one hellova time this year im so proud of the rookies in the pen and the one stat 0 for 30 with 2 outs and runner in scoring position!!! absolutely incredible!!! i remember 1982 now and what fun that was!! could this be the year!! pond scum die!!!! go CARDS!!!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eckstein/Wilson in top of 9th
by bdub78 on Oct 18, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright was living it up
All around him was one overpowering scene -- all 46,000 witnesses standing, white rally towels waving wildly, vocal cords combining to make a noise that sounded like something out of a heavy-metal jam. Adam Wainwright sucked it all in.
"I just needed to step back and kind of feed off the crowd a little bit," he said. "I just needed to take a moment to step back, feel it get loud and then say, 'OK, let's go.' "
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eckstein / wilson in top of 9th
by cardfan2 on Oct 18, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
by cardfan2 on Oct 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clearing that up
by bdub78 on Oct 18, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really expected
by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
team
i remember back in april and may that we were winning games at a nice clip. but we all knew why we were winning games. we were a mediocre club, playing mediocre ball, but winning alot of games because albert was carrying us. it was nice to see, sure. but there was still the marquis issue, the izzy issue, mulder, "instant breakfast," who's playing second today, what the hell is tlr doing, yada, yada.
as we stand here today on the cusp of, let's face it, the unthinkable nl pennant, i'm just really happy with the way we're playing right now. save for the kid, a-dub, and maybe speeze, i don't see anyone on our club that is just in the zone and playing great, great baseball right now. we got a bunch of guys just...sorry for the bluntness here....but they are just doing their fucking jobs.
starting pitching has been good but not "great." weaver, carp and soup have been rock solid. nothing flashy or great. well okay, soup was great in game 3. bullpen has done a really good job. been solid for us. the sticks? we're getting some timely hits, scoring a few runs, but nobody....albert including...is just murdering the ball. defense? very solid. not making mistakes. tlr is seemingly pushing all the right buttons. start pw over speeze last night? pw comes through with a big rbi double. leave weaver in to pitch the 6th? it works? pinch it dunc against the lefty? dunc promptly taters. it's all working. pinch hit gooch a couple of times and he homers a couple of times.
but then...maybe that's the point of it all. maybe it doesn't take mv3 or 100 wins. maybe it just takes everyone on the team doing their job and doing it well. nobody has to stand out. nobody has to be a world-beater. just 26 guys playing solid, mistake-free baseball.
and itsn't it been like that lately in sports? pistons winning the nba title, white sox winning the title last year, steelers winning the super bowl.... not a team full of stars. sure, there are some, but it's more about everyone on the team contributing at the exact moment that they are called on. coaches and managers included.
i don't know. i could be still high from the win last night. but something about this year just feels more satisifying. no singular heroes. just a bunch of guys doing their jobs.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
I think the Bullpen has completely stepped up. Edmonds and Eckstein are back semi healthy. Players are not being amazing but they are simply being clutch. They are getting the big hit when we need the big hit.
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely understand that...
i can't say that i disagree with you. you've probably hit on something very key there.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That said, when you're getting major offensive contributions from Molina, who is hitting 200 points better than his regular season line, and Spezio, who was out of baseball a year ago, there's an element of "amazing" to what this team is doing.
by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. We're not getting the
But I'm holding my breath every dang inning worrying about it.
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson
I know Eck is our leadoff, but look how he swings with 2 strikes. I think that is what a 2 hole hitter should do in front of Pujols. Swing hard until you get 2 strikes. They are going to keep the pitches close because they don't want to pitch to Albert.
But what do I know, he got the rbi and shut me up last night.
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
General Comments
- The Albert HR seemed to spark the team; not the first time, nor hopefully the last.
- On Duncan PH, it's either him or J Rod. And Duncan does have one attribute that J Rod generally doesn't; if you make a mistake, Duncan can hit it a long way.
- Did he stay too long with Kenney? Perhaps, but the pitch that Wright hit was down.
- In the game story it said that Valentin has 5 hits in a row batting RH. Perhaps that combined with a) Flores numbers against RH and B) AW's beautiful curve balls made the decision for TLR.
- I suspect it will be Duncan in RF and Spiezio in LF tonight.
by Sydney dave on Oct 18, 2006 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yipes
I don't think we need to load up with lefties against a guy like Maine.
I'd start one of them in left, and Juan/Wilson in right.
by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan in the field...
Lets just hope we can get the WS..and use Duncan as a DH
Eck
Dunc
Pujols
Rolen
Juan
Jimmy
speezer/wilson
Belly
Yadi
by birdsonthehat on Oct 18, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MAN that lineup confused me
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan won't DH vs Rogers/Robertson
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Speezer will DH against lefties.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi wouldn't bat 9th
by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most shocking thing of the game
After I recovered from my initial shock at the fact that she recognized him, I said "yeah, he's doing great!"
She then replied "He does need a haircut, though."
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haircut indeed...
It's working right now. I'd suggest he never cuts his hair again.
by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, I lost the WS Tickets Drawing...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I lost too
by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as did I
sigh.
by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hioooo....
There's too much bullshit going on in this series to write in an organized fashion, so here it is, in bullet form...
* Why THE F was Aaron Heilman completely buried this postseason? Since when do Guillermo Mota and Roberto Hernandez get the ball over him? What'd he ever do to you, Willie? I sure hope it's not a race thing, and there's a legitimate reason for him not getting innings this month. Game 7 is scheduled for tomorrow...and Aaron Heilman IS A STARTER. He should pick up a baseball, walk right into Willie's office if the Mets win Game 6 tonight, and DEMAND THE BALL FOR GAME 7. If he doesn't, 95-year-old Darren Oliver, who hasn't started a game in more than 2 years, will probably get the ball. Earth to Willie -- Heilman's DIRTY, and SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTING ALL SEASON.
* Could the home plate ump's strikezone have been any worse last night? He was calling balls a foot off the plate for strikes, and calling strikes in the lower part of zone for balls...sometimes...until he decided that a pitch that painted the outer black wasnt a strike, but another foot outside was a strike. It sounds lame to blame the umps for a loss, but home plate ump, Jeff Kellogg, was clearly wearing red last night...you can't even argue that, Cards Scum, so don't bother.
* Can Jose Reyes and David Wright PLEASE WAKE UP TONIGHT. You guys have both been awful. D-Wright, WTF are you swinging at? Weaver must have walked you 5 times last night, but you continued to swing at his CRAP until he got you out. TAKE A GODDAMN PITCH AND TAKE A WALK. And when you did swing at his fat garbage he left over the plate, you weren't even close. You smoked those pitches in April and May, how about doing something.
* Can Tony La Russa have gotten ANY luckier last night?? Failing to pinch hit for Weaver with the bases loaded and a chance to break the game open-->Weaver goes on to dominate for another 2 innings...Pinch hitting a LEFTY, who hits .170 against lefties, against Pedro Feliciano, who's given up 2 homeruns in 117 AB's to lefties this season, and the GUY GOES YARD...How about when La Russa took out his southpaw reliever and brought in the right-hander, turning Valentin around to his stronger side in the 8th, only to strike him out looking...I mean, come on. He couldn't have gone against "the book" any more than he did...and every stupid string he pulled that would have gotten him KILLED in the media had the Cards lost, ended up making him look like a frickin' genius. Tony La Russa is NOT A GOOD MANAGER. Apparently he and one of his star players, Scott Rolen, are not on "speaking terms." What kind of manager doesn't speak to his players? Even his own players know he sucks.
* WTF is wrong with the Cardinals grounds crew? They seemed almost as stupid as Cardinal fans themselves yesterday, taking 10 minutes in the middle of the inning to get the first base bag out of the ground and put in another base...that was absolutely pathetic.
* Are the mets really losing a series to a team that has a shortstop who throws like an 8-year-old girl, a pitcher who irons his hat, and a utility man who DYES HIS FACIAL HAIR PINK???
* Could David "my dead grandma throws harder than you" Eckstein be any more of a sissy-boy drama queen? Trainers had to come tend to him in the first inning after he dove for a ball, and then again late in the game for like 5 minutes after he completely botched a bunt-attempt and fouled it off his hand. Do you really need someone to come out every inning and kiss your boo-boos, Eckstein? Grow up already. Well, how about you try growing first...we'll work on the emotional side of things once you're big enough to ride the rollercoaster at Six Flags.
* Chris "I should've won my second straight Cy but I'm a choking dog and gave up 12 runs in my last two starts" Carpenter starts for St. Louis tonight. Against John Lame. I mean, John Maine. This series is all but over. Too bad nobody's beating the Tigers.
by yeahboy on Oct 18, 2006 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't usually contradict the opinions on here..
by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, classy Mets fans. Your team is choking
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Delightful Contribution
by liam on Oct 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The strike zone was all-around horrendous
Eckstein has been playing hurt all season, he just came back from the DL in the second half of september--he didn't call over the trainer, they ran out to check to see that he didn't re-injure himself.
Get Reyes to stop dancing around like an idiot in the dugout, and celebrating after every freaking run before you bitch about the behavior of the Cardinals.
by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
by blove121 on Oct 18, 2006 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
From the Funniest movie of all time...
by liam on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny movie quotes...
Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.
Applicant: I like rape
by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with.....
by Timbo02 on Oct 18, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(sniffle)
by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmmm....
cards fans are stupid? wow. that statement alone is evidence of the fact that you are not relevant to any legit baseball discussion.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike Zone
So calling on both sides was a little shady. I think Cardinals got the bigger calls though.
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 3-2 pitch belly struck out on
by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shea Stadium...
by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
squirm pond scum
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf, indeed
I really, Really, REALLY hope so!
Now more than ever.
by redrey on Oct 18, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nails
we as cards fans have dealt with the postseason injuries, and we know we SHOULD have won many series over the years, IF our best were healthy
1985-Coleman (dumbass tarp)
1987-Clark & Pendleton
1996-Lankford
2000-Mcgwire & Matheny & Stephenson
2001-Mcgwire
2002-Rolen
2004-Carp
2005-Rolen
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 18, 2006 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sucks
unreal.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let it go...
by cardsrul on Oct 18, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually like the guy and his show.
by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
patrick - pttttthp!
All he does is askhimself a question that someone else has already has posed, and then answers him self by rewording the convential wisdom
by tudor rooter on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are the Astros
by OKCardsfan on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros
Actually, considering the 2004 Astros threw Munro out there in Game 6, while the 2005 version used Oswalt - I'm going to say we're more like the 2005 version.
Of course, we don't have Clemens for Game 7.
by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but we do have the pitcher
by OCCardsFan on Oct 18, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Line-up Question
Eckstein (0-4, saw him for the first time in the NLCS)
Duncan (1-6, 2B, BB)
Pujols (4-7, 2HR, 2B)
Edmonds (1-3, HR)
Rolen (0-3, K)
Speezio (1-3, 2B)
Belliard (1-6, 1B)
Molina (4-7, 2B)
Carpenter
or
Eckstein
Wilson (0-5, doubt he is in against Maine)
Pujols
Edmonds
Rolen
Encarnacion (1-6, 1B)
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter
by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense
by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout So? or WIlson?
Taguchi (deserves a start in my book) or Wilson?
Pujols
Edmonds
Encarnacion
Rolen
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter
by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duncan in the 2-spot
by matty fred on Oct 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my lineup
duncan
pujols
edmonds
encanacion
spezio
belliard
molina
carpenter
Offense always wins imho.
by redbird2006in on Oct 18, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that Tony has the cujones ...
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't
I REALLY hope that this talk about TLR and Rolen not talking is just talk. I want Rolen to like it here and to want to stay.
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I voice my displeasure ...
(geez, this is starting to sound like a gay classified)
He's the greatest. I just want Rolen to be a difference-maker (not a promise-keeper)
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Market research survey
by cmat on Oct 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough already!
by sweet number 5 on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
many are called ...
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets go win a Pennant!
I just want to say that I think tonight is a "must win" if we want to have a chance at the World Series Title.
If we win tonight the rotation for the WS would be... Suppan, Weaver, Carp, Reyes, Suppan, Weaver, Carp. I think that gives us a fighting chance to win it in 7 games.
If we loose tonight then we will not have any of the "Big Three" (Thats what I am calling Carp, Soup, and Weaver now) ready on regular rest for game 1 of the WS. If we win in 7 there is a small chance gasp that we would have to activate Marquis for the WS at the expense of J-Rod.
Enough about that... we have a game to play tonight so lets enjoy last nights thriling win for now and try to drink some champeign tonight.
On a final note, I do not belive I like Brian Burwell. I read his article today and I dont belive that his conversation with Albert went EXACTLY the way he said it did.
Burwell makes it sound like Albert is spilling his guts to him, and begging for acceptance and the Judge Burwell says "I'm not sure I belive you Albert" if thats really how the conversation went then I think Burwell is the "Surley" individual here.
Thanks for reading my first post and I hope to become a part of this great VEB community.
LETS GO WIN A PENNANT!
by Born in 82 on Oct 18, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burwell -
We fans can, if we choose, avoid reading anything that's less than laudatory, keep our collective heads in an ostrich hole, and leave our heroes high atop their golden pedestals. If that makes being a fan more palatable, it's your choice. Pujols choice is whether to make himself available to the press and be pleasant, or be a surly pud. For the mega-millions they make, it's not unreasonable to expect a few bland quotes and a smile after a game. Barry Bonds is invoked by BB as an extreme example of the dark side of the spectrum. One has to be able to understand the nuance of his position, or else it becomes nothing more than a Dan Patrick screaming headline PUJOLS IS COMPARED TO BARRY BONDS, or some such twaddle.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UP...
I did have a problem with him introducing himself into the article. 19 times he used the word I. He comes across as condescending and purporting to be a better person than Albert. I got a big problem with it. It has not taken much, besides not giving sportswriters the proper respect they deserve, for sportswriters to vilify Albert.
Surly or not, the man, when not caught up in the competition, is a big hearted soul who does so much good for our community. I am disgusted at how Burwell presented his information. It was classless.
by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Valatan
remember all of you saying "we don't deserve to make it to the playoffs this year, in fact, I'm cheering against the Cardinals to prove a point."
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DO THAT.
Once you get to the playoffs you always have a shot, so you always want to make it, despite how underperforming the team is. We had several injuries to deal with, it wasn't like we were a crappy team. Now we have a chance to win the NLCS, and go to the World Series. And even if we lose, we'll go down with so much more respect than we would have if having lost our division. The playoffs are a whole different season, and once you make them, everything that happened before doesn't matter, and you can suddenly become the greatest in the world and no one will know otherwise. Just ask Yadier Molina.
On that note, let's go Redbirds!
by aet15 on Oct 18, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eckstein is "probable"
by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we win NLCS...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR in game 5
by oldbirdwatcher on Oct 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR managed well
by liam on Oct 18, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think several people commented
Don't forget that there were extensive post game comments in last night's overflow thread.
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Encarnacion
Just read this and in it the article notes that Juan Enc actually led NL right fielders in Zone Rating at .912--and while we are in agreement that defensive metrics are no true barometer, this must count for something. Not bad Mr. Encarcion.
by mdarshan on Oct 18, 2006 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
balls on the ground
Juan covers a good bit of ground, and he goes back on the ball well, but he has big trouble chasing and securing groundballs, especially in the corner.
Beyond that, I don't remember him making a strong throw all year.
by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting tidbits
- In the 1,164 postseason games played since the American League and National League champions first met in 1903, there have been only two other occasions on which a left-handed batter pinch-hit a home run off a left-handed pitcher. Johnny Mize of the Yankees hit one off the Brooklyn Dodgers' Preacher Roe in the 1952 World Series, and Arizona's Erubiel Durazo hit one off Glavine, then with the Braves, in the 2001 NLCS.
- 2006 postseason 2006 regular season
Opp. BA .232* .268
K per 9 6.8 6.1
*Held opponents to 0-31 with runners in scoring position, 2 outs in postseason
by sdesserman on Oct 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Red Underwear!!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tiger
by A4lex on Oct 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice thought
by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR's managing style
I unstand the Lefty-Lefty stats but Tony wanted to get his best guy out there with the game on the line. There is no reason to argue with that. If Flores had give up a hit there the game would have been tied. Adam Wainright is on fire and this is just a case of Tony riding the hot hand.
Stats are important, but Tony is a Hall of Famer becasue of decisions like this one.
by Born in 82 on Oct 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Valentine's a switch hitter
It's not a no-brainer move, though, since lefthanded batters hit .301 off Wainwright. Tony must have had some data that showed Valentin couldn't hit a curveball to save his life batting lefthanded, since that's all Wainwright threw.
by liam on Oct 18, 2006 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 6
She didn't like my idea of naming them Alberta and Christina.
Anyway, I'll be away from the internets for a spell but I've enjoyed reading all the posts over the past few months.
Go Cards.
by Okasa on Oct 18, 2006 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best of luck to you!
How about Spezia and Juanita, in honor of tonight's Cardinal stars?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Mrs. Okasa!
Seriously, though.... congratulations!
by liam on Oct 18, 2006 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no, it'll work!
Alberta
Veronica (nickname Bellie, since babies have a cute potbelly)
Rolena
Christina, Chrissy, That Tall Kid
"whatevernameyouchoose Ballgame"
"your little Instant Breakfast"
If he can't use El Hombre as a nickname, what would be the female equivalent?
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Female equivalent:
pronounced moo-HAIR. Like a furry cow.
Mom better have a sense of humor.
Congrats, Okasa.
by meat on Oct 18, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be ok...
by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
congrats to the new Card fans!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grats!!!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kryptonite lefties
Game 2: 3 runs against Wagner in the 9th
Game 4: 5 runs against Oliver Perez
Game 5: 3 runs against Glavine, 1 against Feliciano
I like the fact that our lineup with a lot of good right-handed hitters is finally showing signs of coming to life against lefties.
That being said, let's take Maine to the woodshed tonight and give Carp some breathing room. Don't give 'em a chance to feel like they're in the game.
by wildman on Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 more hours!!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Around the Horn
by cardsfan84 on Oct 18, 2006 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't depress me
by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea...
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All-Star game in Busch III in 2009
by wildman on Oct 18, 2006 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
question regarding the WS rotation
If we lose tonight and win tomorrow, who starts game 1? Weaver on short rest? Then game 2 will be Carp on short rest.
Marquis or Reyes could start game 1 and then everyone would have full rest after that.
...just kidding about that Marquis suggestion.
by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sure, sure...
by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get there, I'd hand the ball to Reyes
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup Posted at Stltoday:
- Eckstein, ss
- Spiezio, lf
- Pujols, 1b
- Edmonds, cf
- Encarnacion, rf
- Rolen, 3b
- Belliard, 2b
- Molina, c
- Carpenter, p
by OCCardsFan on Oct 18, 2006 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Edmonds...
Rolen could come into the game in the 2nd or 3rd once Maine is out of there.
by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
outfield defense
That outfield defense would have been just terrible.
by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone with score predictions for
I've got Good Guys 7 Pond Scum 3
by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I called...
by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Predictions
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JEd
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of throws from the outfield
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineup
Eckstein
Spiezio
Duncan
Pujols
Edmunds
Encarnacion
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter
Even though 3rd is normally the best spot for Albert, I would've batted him 4th because if he comes up with men on base, the Cardinals win. I'd like him further away from the bottom of the order and the three guys at the top all have good obp's.
by lerwin1 on Oct 18, 2006 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Different Attitude Then Years Past
by sdcardinal78 on Oct 18, 2006 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got a prediction for you....
That's my story, and I'm stick'in to it! ... :)
by Timbo02 on Oct 18, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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