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The St. Louis Cardinals are now one game away from being Natinal League Champions.  On the 27th of September, I wrote:


RIP, best Cardinal team I have ever lived to see.  Maybe this will be a reverse of previous years, and we'll randomly see you show up when it most matters.  But if not, I'll miss you.

It seems that they have chosen to randomly show up.  This team seems to be built out of an entirely different stuff than the regular season team that we saw this year.  The regular season squad would have simply curled over and died after the Mets put up two runs behind Glavine, especially after the soul-crushing loss that we witnessed on Sunday.  I certainly felt a bit deflated afterward.

But then Albert hit a home run.  Instantly, all the junior high school gossip about him was thrown out the window.  Albert's not performing; this team needs it's best player; he better back up this stuff he said about Glavine:  All gone.  

That home run didn't even tie the game, but what it did do is let the Cardinals believe that they actually come back and win this thing.  The successive at bats just seemed to look better after that.  It never felt like the Mets were out of the game after that (they certaintly threatened to tie the game multiple times), but it felt like the Cardinals were in it.

There is a lot more praise to go around last night, of course.  Weaver is beginning to look like the player that he was meant to be when he left Detroit (by the way, Jeremy Bonderman is one of the players Detroit got in return for Weaver, if you like those storylines).  He deserves a lot of the credit for the team not deflating under pressure.  There were a couple of points last night, where a lesser, not to be named, pitcher would have collapsed and let the game be opened up:

  • He was getting squeezed in the 1st, and allowed a first and second, one out situation--he got Delgado to hit into a forceout, and then got a strikeout against David Wright with runners on first and third
  • In the fourth, when the Mets put up their two runs, they were still left with a runner on second with no outs--Weaver worked through the back of the Mets order, and got the guys he should have, and stopped the bleeding
  • In the fifth, he came to the mound, visibly starting to get tired, and got out the heart of the Mets order, and then came and got three more outs in the sixth

Weaver didn't look at his best last night, and his line of six hits, two walks, and one strikeout through six isn't exactly indicative  of dominance, but he got his job done.

And again, what can you say about Adam Wainwright?  The guy apparently is completely unflappable--he comes into the game, in a very debatable decision, and proceeds to get all four outs he needs with nary a baserunner allowed, and two strikeouts.  

This team now has to take one win out of the next two, and they will have completed the most complicated, roundabout route to a World Series berth that I have ever witnessed.  But for now, I'm going to bask in the glory of a hard-fought win.

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uno mas,
el birdos. Uno mas.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 18, 2006 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe it's a different team
i think what you wrote september 27 was spot-on --- goodbye, juggernaut team. the team we're watching now is a new one --- different closer, different rotation, less rigid managerial style.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Different closer?
Indeed! I'll drink to that.

(Izzy as a closer, makes a damn good cheerleader on the bench)

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully
Today hopefully is the year we finally get our revenge from the 87' Twins.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'87 ?
How about revenge for 2000, fer crissake?

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's payback...
to be had for 2000 and 1968, myself.

by tinstl on Oct 18, 2006 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly ...
If the Cards can't win one more with Carpenter/Suppan lined up against Maine/Oliver, they don't deserve to go. They can take that divisional series trophy and go home feeling partially satisfied at having played quite deep into October.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

need to win one
i think this would be great...No one gave them a chance, and even cards fans were skeptical...Ibeing one of them thought they could do it but never thought theyd be up 3-2

by punchinjudy on Oct 18, 2006 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One very small, cool thing:
Have you guys noticed that Cal Eldred has been in the bullpen for the home playoff games? I read somewhere -- either on stltoday.com or stlcardinals. com -- that he and Izzy have been acting as coaches/advisors/therapists for the baby bullpenners.

I just think it's cool that Eldred is doing that.

by steve in georgia on Oct 18, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

An interesting character has emerged
lboros' line all year, and it's been an apt one, is "You can beat the Cardinals but you can't beat Albert Pujols." But in this series, the Cards' role players have really stepped up and rebutted that point, especially as the Mets were getting the best of Albert many times.

Now he's back in stride, driving in RBI #1 and providing a huge emotional boost, but it was still up to everyone else to account for runs 2, 3, and 4, and to keep the Mets' runs off the board.

Detroit's pitching looks to give Pujols fits, if we reach the next round -- they are similar in makeup to the Cubs' staff that Bert batted so woefully against -- so this team dynamic becomes increasingly important.

I have a notoriously poor memory, but how often has a team suddenly gelled like this, closing the gaps in their performance and raising their entire standard of play just at the right time?

by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those world champion
Minnesota Twins teams come to mind.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Oct 18, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call on the Twins
I'm also reminded of the 1984 Padres or the 2003 Marlins. Hope our ultimate 2006 fate is more like the latter.

Hey Matty - hope Boston's treating you well.

by jasontoon on Oct 18, 2006 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an interesting comparison...
They were already a pretty damn good team, then they just put their heads down in that ALCS and did something incredibly stupid and impossible, igniting their run with a rally off Mariano Riviera in game 4.

I think in a way this Cardinal team compares with the 1996-97 Yankees, just because they're winning with so many spare parts. The '96 Yankees had a bad rotation - young Pettite and old David Cone were about the only pitchers they could lean on, but they had Riviera/Wetteland in the bullpen and it was enough to win four of five very close games after being blown out 12-1 in Game 1.

The obvious difference is that those Yankees gelled a lot earlier in the season, but they also benefitted from the transition from the white-knuckle-tight managing style of Buck Martinez to the laid back approach of Joe Torre, which is paralleled in a way between bad Tony and good Tony...

by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was more thinkiing
about the regular season squad--which spent most of the season in second place, and gelled at the last minute, after a few trade deadline deals, and came back to make the playoffs, and then fought through to the WS title.

by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you meant Showalter...
That's why I'm picking Texas to go all the way next year. Really, is it any less sensical than picking the Tigers?
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.
Showalter.

And if that works for the Rangers, then Showalter will suddenly become the hottest commodity among managers-you-can-fire-to-light-a-fire-under-a-team, supplanting Jimy Williams.

by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts on the duncan PH decision
it made no sense to me at the time; i think maybe here's why tony did it.

the situation: cards up 3-2, one out, nobody on, and 9 outs to go. left-handed pitcher on the mound; RH batter seemingly in order.

two of the possible RH batters --- miles and bennett -- were off limits because they were the only backups at their respective positions. e.g., if tony had used miles there, he couldn't have double-switched later in the game. so those two were out.

the other two RH batters were spezio and taguchi. you might argue that both were too valuable to use in that situation. you want spiezio for a higher-leverage situation, ie possibly later in the game with men on base; if the mets had come back to tie it or take the lead, you'd still want the weapon on the bench. and taguchi is the team's best (only) outfield defensive replacement --- with the game heading into the late innings and stl clinging to a 1-run lead, maybe tony didn't want to burn gooch in that situation.

so that left only two options, duncan and j-rod. it was sheer luck that duncan hit the home run, and i don't think tony chose duncan because he believed dunc was the best hitter for that situation. he was simply the most expendable bench player to use in a low-leverage situation.

smart managing plus dumb luck = huge insurance run.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
with everything you just said. More importantly, I'm just glad it worked out.

Also, aint it nice to have both Duncan and JRod (ie two left handed hard hitters) ready to come off of the bench?

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 18, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that
Spezio is a switch hitter, which could have really come in handy against Wagner late in the game.

by MichiganBird on Oct 18, 2006 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
That was pretty much my exact same assessment lboros.  I was in utter disbelief when Duncan hit an outside breaking ball. He looked completely fooled earlier in the a bat. Thank God this one didn't break out of the strike zone.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thought
I also thought that it may (slim chance) have been Tony wanting their left handed pitcher to remain in the game, and have Ducan work the count and make him throw as much as possible.  That way, the odds of Feliciano being used in Game 6 go down, while the odds of the Mets needing to use Darren Oliver going up - both of which could have a domino effect if there was a Game 7.

by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Duncan's eye
Agreed on the analysis.

Also note that Feliciano is known for getting hitters to chase.  Tony has really been impressed (as have I) at Duncan's improvements in taking pitches as the season's progressed (remember his first time around in June when everybody here called him KDunc).  

Duncan looked a little eager early in the series but I was really glad to see that at bat.  He did not get fooled on those outside off-speed pitches early in the AB and waited for a mistake.

JRods much more of a contact hitter but I never think of him as a tough AB able to grind out a reliever for a mistake.  

by enoscountry on Oct 18, 2006 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure
that's exactly why he was used.  It was too early for Spiezio or Taguchi or JRod for that matter.  It was Duncan or Miles and Miles might have been (of course, was) needed later on.  The announcers said that it didn't really make sense.  To me, it did, based on the situation.  

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice analysis
that's pretty much what friends and i had come up with when looking thoroughly at the situation althought i would suggest your last line might read:

low risk managing plus dumb luck plus terrible pitch = huge insurance run

by sdesserman on Oct 18, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Italy we say...
... that Lady Luck helps the braves, so my kudos to Tony for challenging lady luck without trying to fool her!

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Oct 18, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Braves?
I didn't know Bobby Cox and crew were still playing.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry for my english...
... with "braves" I meant couragious ones.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Oct 18, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with the logic, but ...
... isn't it strange, then, that Taguchi never did enter the game as a defensive replacement? If TLR was so concerned about keeping So handy to be a defensive sub, where was he in the 9th when Preston Wilson (who had just made the last out in the 8th) was still roaming left field?

Whatever, I guess.

by DCGreg on Oct 18, 2006 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
Taguchi was being saved so much as a defensive player as he was being held back to face Wagner if the situation arose

by lawman3842 on Oct 18, 2006 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm ...
... the lightning-might-strike-twice-you-never-know theory.

by DCGreg on Oct 18, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis, Larry.
I thought along the same lines, mostly, last night.  Hold Speezio for a RBI opportunity, save Gooch for a later defensive sub, can't use Miles ..etc.

As far as Dunc coming up with the big fly, I think he anticipated the curve.  I know that when Feliciano shook off the sign, I thought, "curve ball coming".  He had Dunc swinging over one earlier, he was going to go back to it to try to finish him off.  Dunc may very well have guessed the same and been waiting on that curve.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do we get -
Spiezio back in the line up tonight? He is, after all, Mr. October.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

p-dub
my brother and i were discussing that last night during the game.  where the hell is speeze?  why is tlr playing p-dub?  

and inning later, he doubles to deep right-center for a much needed rbi.  

thus endeth the "where's speeze" conversation.

i agree though, i'd like to see him in there.  maybe tlr thinks it's best to use him off the bench?  don't know.

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speezer doesn't hit left-handers
all that well. we might see him tonight against the rhp

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another espn writer...
His comment:
So we don't care if the Mets' playoff rotation consists of Oliver Perez, Darren Oliver, Oliver Stone and Sir Laurence Olivier. This is one hardly anybody saw coming.

Is exactly why espn is sad.   The Mets that won 97 games are without their "ace", and another of their best pitchers.  They putting a rookie on the mount for games 2/6, and a kid who is 3-13 in game 4.  

Instead of saying "oh, mets 97 wins, cards suck, mets win in 5 games", why not just take a look at the pitching matchups in the actual games.

Weaver has been hot ever since September.   Carpenter is the reignning cy young.
Soup has 2nd best ERA since all-star break.

Mets have treaded water to get here.  (Something like 15-15 in last 30 games?)   Not exactly an amazing team down the stretch themselves.

Take those numbers, look at the actual pitching matchups and you gotta say that St. Louis has an advantage in 3 out of the 7 games, and the others are closer than you think.

Sit Rolen, Start Spiezo.  Easiest coaching decision I can make.  

by redbird2006in on Oct 18, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Treading water
With due respect, if the Mets were treading water before the playoffs, the Cardinals (and the Tigers fo that matter) were bust bailing out a sinking ship.

Granted a closer look at pitching matchups made this a much more even series, but still this is more than just a little bit of a surprise to most  

The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 18, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And evidence that
the late-season "momentum" meme is junk

by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup..
...I picked the Tigers to win the world series.  Generally I think you want to pick the team that has been the best for most of the year.  Every team is going to be inconsistent and have cold and hot runs.

This said it goes against the cards winning this many post-season games.  I am not complaining though...

by BigJawnMize on Oct 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very nice writup!!
 i must admit of all the news i could gobble up this morning to relish in our current situation this article put chills down my spine!!
                      im haveine one hellova time this year im so proud of the rookies in the pen and the one stat 0 for 30 with 2 outs and runner in scoring position!!! absolutely incredible!!!  i remember 1982 now and what fun that was!! could this be the year!!  pond scum die!!!!  go CARDS!!!!

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein/Wilson in top of 9th
I was out in the leftfield bleachers last night and saw something peculiar. Wainwright was on the mound after warming up and the crowd was going wild.  He was getting set to throw the first pitch of the 9tha and Eckstein started making arm motions that looked like he was trying to calm the crowd down.  Preston Wilson did the same thing.  I noticed that Wainwright got up on the rubber and then stepped off and kinda took a moment to gather himself.  The crowd did quiet down for about a pitch and then was up rocking it again.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

by bdub78 on Oct 18, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wainwright was living it up
As he stood on the rubber in the ninth, one out away from closing to within one victory of his World Series dream, Wainwright suddenly threw his transmission into reverse and backed off behind the mound, staring toward his final victim, Jose Reyes.

 All around him was one overpowering scene -- all 46,000 witnesses standing, white rally towels waving wildly, vocal cords combining to make a noise that sounded like something out of a heavy-metal jam. Adam Wainwright sucked it all in.

"I just needed to step back and kind of feed off the crowd a little bit," he said. "I just needed to take a moment to step back, feel it get loud and then say, 'OK, let's go.' "

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein / wilson in top of 9th
I too was in left field last night and saw the same.  They were trying to position Wilson, if you looked in the dugout after Wainwright stepped off one of the coaches was moving Wilson in and toward the line a little bit.  So basically Wilson was paying attention when they tried to position him the first time.
Cards in 5

by cardfan2 on Oct 18, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops
I meant was not paying attention
Cards in 5

by cardfan2 on Oct 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for clearing that up
I was thinking something to that effect, but when I saw Wilson make arm gestures, I was confused.  (I am sure the Bud Lights did little to aid my interpretation of those events).

by bdub78 on Oct 18, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really expected
LaRussa to stay w/ Flores last night and for Randolph to turn to Franco to pinch hit.  Needless to say, it didn't matter since we went to Wainwright.  Maybe that's what LaRussa expected also and he thought that Wainwright vs. Valentin was better than Flores vs. Franco.

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

team
there's something really satisfying about the way we're playing right now.  sure, a large part of it being the are consistently on the good end of the scoreboard, but that's not entirely it for me.  it's that we are getting bigtime contributions from all aspects of our club.  seems like every win we have is a "team" win.  everyone contributing.

i remember back in april and may that we were winning games at a nice clip.  but we all knew why we were winning games. we were a mediocre club, playing mediocre ball, but winning alot of games because albert was carrying us.  it was nice to see, sure.  but there was still the marquis issue, the izzy issue, mulder, "instant breakfast," who's playing second today, what the hell is tlr doing, yada, yada.  

as we stand here today on the cusp of, let's face it, the unthinkable nl pennant, i'm just really happy with the way we're playing right now.  save for the kid, a-dub, and maybe speeze, i don't see anyone on our club that is just in the zone and playing great, great baseball right now.  we got a bunch of guys just...sorry for the bluntness here....but they are just doing their fucking jobs.  

starting pitching has been good but not "great."  weaver, carp and soup have been rock solid.  nothing flashy or great.  well okay, soup was great in game 3.  bullpen has done a really good job.  been solid for us.  the sticks?  we're getting some timely hits, scoring a few runs, but nobody....albert including...is just murdering the ball.  defense?  very solid.  not making mistakes.  tlr is seemingly pushing all the right buttons.  start pw over speeze last night?  pw comes through with a big  rbi double.  leave weaver in to pitch the 6th?  it works?  pinch it dunc against the lefty?  dunc promptly taters.  it's all working.  pinch hit gooch a couple of times and he homers a couple of times.

but then...maybe that's the point of it all.  maybe it doesn't take mv3 or 100 wins.  maybe it just takes everyone on the team doing their job and doing it well.  nobody has to stand out.  nobody has to be a world-beater.  just 26 guys playing solid, mistake-free baseball.  

and itsn't it been like that lately in sports?  pistons winning the nba title, white sox winning the title last year, steelers winning the super bowl....  not a team full of stars.  sure, there are some, but it's more about everyone on the team contributing at the exact moment that they are called on.  coaches and managers included.

i don't know.  i could be still high from the win last night.  but something about this year just feels more satisifying.  no singular heroes.  just a bunch of guys doing their jobs.  

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
I think the reason we are doing so good is that we don't have any one dragging us down. Like Marquis, Mulder, or Izzy. If we take out their performances and replace them with our current stock of players than this team wins a few more games during the regular season.

I think the Bullpen has completely stepped up. Edmonds and Eckstein are back semi healthy. Players are not being amazing but they are simply being clutch. They are getting the big hit when we need the big hit.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely understand that...
...theory.  addition by subtraction.  i get it.  

i can't say that i disagree with you.  you've probably hit on something very key there.

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
It's as though it took the entire the regular season to boil the team down to its essential parts, and to finally discard the crap that other teams could easily exploit. Moreover, we are getting Eckstein and Edmonds healthy at exactly the right time.

That said, when you're getting major offensive contributions from Molina, who is hitting 200 points better than his regular season line, and Spezio, who was out of baseball a year ago, there's an element of "amazing" to what this team is doing.

by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. We're not getting the
"one player who blows up" that drags us down.  

But I'm holding my breath every dang inning worrying about it.

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson
I was glad to see him get the rbi, and I was just about to write about this before I saw your post, but stop with all the fly balls and pop ups. Wilson crushed that ball in right-center for a much needed RBI. But he nevers takes off his swing and takes what the pitcher is giving him. He swings hard everytime.

I know Eck is our leadoff, but look how he swings with 2 strikes. I think that is what a 2 hole hitter should do in front of Pujols. Swing hard until you get 2 strikes. They are going to keep the pitches close because they don't want to pitch to Albert.

But what do I know, he got the rbi and shut me up last night.

Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

General Comments
  1. The Albert HR seemed to spark the team; not the first time, nor hopefully the last.
  2. On Duncan PH, it's either him or J Rod. And Duncan does have one attribute that J Rod generally doesn't; if you make a mistake, Duncan can hit it a long way.
And thankfully he did.
  1. Did he stay too long with Kenney? Perhaps, but the pitch that Wright hit was down.
  2. In the game story it said that Valentin has 5 hits in a row batting RH. Perhaps that combined with a) Flores numbers against RH and B) AW's beautiful curve balls made the decision for TLR.
  3. I suspect it will be Duncan in RF and Spiezio in LF tonight.
Dave

by Sydney dave on Oct 18, 2006 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yipes
That would be one terrible defensive outfield, Dave.

I don't think we need to load up with lefties against a guy like Maine.

I'd start one of them in left, and Juan/Wilson in right.

by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan in the field...
Makes me nervous..

Lets just hope we can get the WS..and use Duncan as a DH

Eck
Dunc
Pujols
Rolen
Juan
Jimmy
speezer/wilson
Belly
Yadi

by birdsonthehat on Oct 18, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MAN that lineup confused me
Took a minute for "DH" to sink in.

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadi wouldn't bat 9th
You'd want a Miles type guy to turn the lineup over...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most shocking thing of the game
Along about the 5th or so when Weaver was working himself out of a jam, my wife leaned forward and said "Wow, this Weaver guy is doing pretty well the last week or so, isn't he?"

After I recovered from my initial shock at the fact that she recognized him, I said "yeah, he's doing great!"  

She then replied "He does need a haircut, though."

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haircut indeed...
I beleive it was Freddie Coleman on ESPN radio who asked the question before game 1 on the series.  "Who's gonna show up tonight? Jeff Weaver or Jeff Spicoli?"

It's working right now.  I'd suggest he never cuts his hair again.

by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damnit, I lost the WS Tickets Drawing...
From stlcardinals.com , looks I won't get an opportunity to get tickets should we get there. Laaaaaaaaaame.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I lost too
how many tickets were available? 250?  

by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as did I
And my mom, and my dad, and my little sister, and about 30 of my co-workers, most of whom didn't even know they had entered until I asked them if they heard anything from mlb.com.

sigh.  

You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hioooo....
  WTF IS GOING ON THIS MONTH?

There's too much bullshit going on in this series to write in an organized fashion, so here it is, in bullet form...

    * Why THE F was Aaron Heilman completely buried this postseason? Since when do Guillermo Mota and Roberto Hernandez get the ball over him? What'd he ever do to you, Willie? I sure hope it's not a race thing, and there's a legitimate reason for him not getting innings this month. Game 7 is scheduled for tomorrow...and Aaron Heilman IS A STARTER. He should pick up a baseball, walk right into Willie's office if the Mets win Game 6 tonight, and DEMAND THE BALL FOR GAME 7. If he doesn't, 95-year-old Darren Oliver, who hasn't started a game in more than 2 years, will probably get the ball. Earth to Willie -- Heilman's DIRTY, and SHOULD HAVE BEEN STARTING ALL SEASON.

    * Could the home plate ump's strikezone have been any worse last night? He was calling balls a foot off the plate for strikes, and calling strikes in the lower part of zone for balls...sometimes...until he decided that a pitch that painted the outer black wasnt a strike, but another foot outside was a strike. It sounds lame to blame the umps for a loss, but home plate ump, Jeff Kellogg, was clearly wearing red last night...you can't even argue that, Cards Scum, so don't bother.

    * Can Jose Reyes and David Wright PLEASE WAKE UP TONIGHT. You guys have both been awful. D-Wright, WTF are you swinging at? Weaver must have walked you 5 times last night, but you continued to swing at his CRAP until he got you out. TAKE A GODDAMN PITCH AND TAKE A WALK. And when you did swing at his fat garbage he left over the plate, you weren't even close. You smoked those pitches in April and May, how about doing something.

    * Can Tony La Russa have gotten ANY luckier last night?? Failing to pinch hit for Weaver with the bases loaded and a chance to break the game open-->Weaver goes on to dominate for another 2 innings...Pinch hitting a LEFTY, who hits .170 against lefties, against Pedro Feliciano, who's given up 2 homeruns in 117 AB's to lefties this season, and the GUY GOES YARD...How about when La Russa took out his southpaw reliever and brought in the right-hander, turning Valentin around to his stronger side in the 8th, only to strike him out looking...I mean, come on. He couldn't have gone against "the book" any more than he did...and every stupid string he pulled that would have gotten him KILLED in the media had the Cards lost, ended up making him look like a frickin' genius. Tony La Russa is NOT A GOOD MANAGER. Apparently he and one of his star players, Scott Rolen, are not on "speaking terms." What kind of manager doesn't speak to his players? Even his own players know he sucks.

    * WTF is wrong with the Cardinals grounds crew? They seemed almost as stupid as Cardinal fans themselves yesterday, taking 10 minutes in the middle of the inning to get the first base bag out of the ground and put in another base...that was absolutely pathetic.

    * Are the mets really losing a series to a team that has a shortstop who throws like an 8-year-old girl, a pitcher who irons his hat, and a utility man who DYES HIS FACIAL HAIR PINK???

    * Could David "my dead grandma throws harder than you" Eckstein be any more of a sissy-boy drama queen? Trainers had to come tend to him in the first inning after he dove for a ball, and then again late in the game for like 5 minutes after he completely botched a bunt-attempt and fouled it off his hand. Do you really need someone to come out every inning and kiss your boo-boos, Eckstein? Grow up already. Well, how about you try growing first...we'll work on the emotional side of things once you're big enough to ride the rollercoaster at Six Flags.

    * Chris "I should've won my second straight Cy but I'm a choking dog and gave up 12 runs in my last two starts" Carpenter starts for St. Louis tonight. Against John Lame. I mean, John Maine. This series is all but over. Too bad nobody's beating the Tigers.

by yeahboy on Oct 18, 2006 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't usually contradict the opinions on here..
But your comments on Eckstein are unfounded and juvenile.  YOU are idiot.

by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Delightful Contribution
Glad it'll be your last.

by liam on Oct 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

riiiight..
your last, nerdboy...

by yeahboy on Oct 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing!
oh wait.  

that was horrible.  

nerdboy?

by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Any moment now, Rome is going to step from the shadows and crown you king of the smack-off... :-)
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The strike zone was all-around horrendous
Weaver got squeezed just as much as Glavine.  The thing is, Weaver doesn't throw a 85 mph fastball.

Eckstein has been playing hurt all season, he just came back from the DL in the second half of september--he didn't call over the trainer, they ran out to check to see that he didn't re-injure himself.

Get Reyes to stop dancing around like an idiot in the dugout, and celebrating after every freaking run before you bitch about the behavior of the Cardinals.

by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see
Mets fans are taking this in stride, with their usual grace and sportsmanship

by blove121 on Oct 18, 2006 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha
"Life is filled with it's little miseries, each of us in his own way must learn to deal with adversity in a mature and adult fashion."

From the Funniest movie of all time...

by liam on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny movie quotes...
Blazing Saddles:
Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice.
Applicant: I like rape

by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go with.....
" Sounds Like Steam escaping in here"....

by Timbo02 on Oct 18, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(sniffle)
Would you like some tissue?
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummmmm....
i do agree with you that your writings are unorganized.  not only that, i don't see any merit in any of it.

cards fans are stupid?  wow.  that statement alone is evidence of the fact that you are not relevant to any legit baseball discussion.

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strike Zone
The Strike zone varied and I thought was crap on both sides. Anyone remember in the 4th innings the 3-1 pitch Molina that was WAY WAY WAY outside and was called a strike. They showed it on Fox little K-Zone and it was not even on the screen. It was that far out.

So calling on both sides was a little shady. I think Cardinals got the bigger calls though.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the 3-2 pitch belly struck out on
with Rolen running (turned into a double play) was awful too, as was the 2-0 "strike" thrown to Weaver with the bases loaded in the 4th.  Molina at least walked 3 piptches later, so the bad call worked in our faqvor on that one (forced TG to throw more pitches).
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shea Stadium...
Where the team is scum and even the tickets smell like piss.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

squirm pond scum
FUNNY THING IS I GOT BORED THIS MORNING AND CHECKED OUT A forum for mets fans!! oh my how depressing!!!! their all freaking out just like this lame pond scum!! love to see em squirm!!!

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wtf, indeed
"* Are the mets really losing a series to a team that has a shortstop who throws like an 8-year-old girl, a pitcher who irons his hat, and a utility man who DYES HIS FACIAL HAIR PINK???"

I really, Really, REALLY hope so!  
Now more than ever.

by redrey on Oct 18, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nails
this post makes me wish nails would come back and post, because he would at least have knowledge in what he was saying, to any of u fellow VEB'ers, would u ever go to the opponents blog and post shit like this? if the mets lose this series, all they have to do is point to the starting pitching and how two of their best were hurt, and know the better team (if healthy) didnt win, but that is how it goes at times

we as cards fans have dealt with the postseason injuries, and we know we SHOULD have won many series over the years, IF our best were healthy

1985-Coleman (dumbass tarp)
1987-Clark & Pendleton
1996-Lankford
2000-Mcgwire & Matheny & Stephenson
2001-Mcgwire
2002-Rolen
2004-Carp
2005-Rolen

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 18, 2006 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this sucks
dan patrick picked up burwell's article in the p-d on pujo yesterday where he was comparing pujo to bonds with the way he's been acting in the post-season.  dan patrick is now asking the question himself and is going to talk about it.  

unreal.  

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let it go...
Patrick is just a shit-stirrer. Besides, he works for that network that will remain nameless here.

by cardsrul on Oct 18, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i actually like the guy and his show.
i'm more upset about the fact that our own paper is writing stuff about our own team in such a negative light that it gets picked up by national media.

by busch league on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

patrick - pttttthp!
I used to listen to him - he was decent with Dibble. But man has his schtick worn thin.

All he does is askhimself a question that someone else has already has posed, and then answers him self by rewording the convential wisdom

Cormier? Really? Who new?

by tudor rooter on Oct 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are the Astros
in 2004.(at this point) This still scares me until they finish it.
I'm just here for the Bud Light...

by OKCardsfan on Oct 18, 2006 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Astros
We're also the Astros in 2005.

Actually, considering the 2004 Astros threw Munro out there in Game 6, while the 2005 version used Oswalt - I'm going to say we're more like the 2005 version.

Of course, we don't have Clemens for Game 7.

by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No but we do have the pitcher
Who beat Clemens in 2004 -- Soup

by OCCardsFan on Oct 18, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh
yes this is very true.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line-up Question
Go with power or defense tonight behind Carp? (against Maine in ())
Eckstein (0-4, saw him for the first time in the NLCS)
Duncan (1-6, 2B, BB)
Pujols (4-7, 2HR, 2B)
Edmonds (1-3, HR)
Rolen (0-3, K)
Speezio (1-3, 2B)
Belliard (1-6, 1B)
Molina (4-7, 2B)
Carpenter

or

Eckstein
Wilson (0-5, doubt he is in against Maine)
Pujols
Edmonds
Rolen
Encarnacion (1-6, 1B)
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense
We're up, and we're throwing our best at them.  Time to play for a 3-1 win, not some sort of 9-7 blowout.  

by Valatan on Oct 18, 2006 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bout So? or WIlson?
Eckstein
Taguchi (deserves a start in my book) or Wilson?
Pujols
Edmonds
Encarnacion
Rolen
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineup
I'd like to see Duncan starting.  It would be nice to have Pujols get at least one at-bat with a runner on tonight.

by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

duncan in the 2-spot
would be a good choice, imo.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Oct 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my lineup
eckstein
duncan
pujols
edmonds
encanacion
spezio
belliard
molina
carpenter

Offense always wins imho.  

by redbird2006in on Oct 18, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that Tony has the cujones ...
to "bench" Rolen again. Scott's about reached the league limit for pop flies, according to Stats Inc.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't
and I'm not sure I would either.  

I REALLY hope that this talk about TLR and Rolen not talking is just talk.  I want Rolen to like it here and to want to stay.

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I voice my displeasure ...
with the ongoing blind loyalty to Rolen, I want nothing more than his name in the line up, his potent thunderstick in the clean up spot, and his sparkling leather down at the hot corner.

(geez, this is starting to sound like a gay classified)

He's the greatest. I just want Rolen to be a difference-maker (not a promise-keeper)

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Market research survey
completed---pretty quick and easy, if anyone's wondering.

by cmat on Oct 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enough already!
I don't know about you guys, but I have had it with cruising message boards reading about this game/series.  I am losing my mind here.

by sweet number 5 on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets go win a Pennant!
Hello everyone.  This is my first post at VEB.

I just want to say that I think tonight is a "must win" if we want to have a chance at the World Series Title.

If we win tonight the rotation for the WS would be... Suppan, Weaver, Carp, Reyes, Suppan, Weaver, Carp.  I think that gives us a fighting chance to win it in 7 games.

If we loose tonight then we will not have any of the "Big Three" (Thats what I am calling Carp, Soup, and Weaver now) ready on regular rest for game 1 of the WS.  If we win in 7 there is a small chance gasp that we would have to activate Marquis for the WS at the expense of J-Rod.

Enough about that... we have a game to play tonight so lets enjoy last nights thriling win for now and try to drink some champeign tonight.

On a final note, I do not belive I like Brian Burwell.  I read his article today and I dont belive that his conversation with Albert went EXACTLY the way he said it did.  

Burwell makes it sound like Albert is spilling his guts to him, and begging for acceptance and the Judge Burwell says "I'm not sure I belive you Albert"  if thats really how the conversation went then I think Burwell is the "Surley" individual here.

Thanks for reading my first post and I hope to become a part of this great VEB community.

LETS GO WIN A PENNANT!

2006 Cardinals- An underdog story

by Born in 82 on Oct 18, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
 Burwell is unlikable.  To write this story in a way that judges another man and makes the columnist out to look like a hero is despicable.  I'm done reading his columns.

by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burwell -
whose columns I enjoy - is in the unenviable position of having to deal with these athletes off the field; encountering them when they've climbed down off their pedestal, warts and all. It's his job description. And we know that relationship between the paid entertainers and the scribes has only gotten worse over the years. More cynical types than me have thrown a blanket over the whole lot of professional athlete-dom and described them as "overpaid assholes" who don't care about me, you, or anyone. But, not me. It's not black and white.

We fans can, if we choose, avoid reading anything that's less than laudatory, keep our collective heads in an ostrich hole, and leave our heroes high atop their golden pedestals. If that makes being a fan more palatable, it's your choice. Pujols choice is whether to make himself available to the press and be pleasant, or be a surly pud. For the mega-millions they make, it's not unreasonable to expect a few bland quotes and a smile after a game. Barry Bonds is invoked by BB as an extreme example of the dark side of the spectrum. One has to be able to understand the nuance of his position, or else it becomes nothing more than a Dan Patrick screaming headline PUJOLS IS COMPARED TO BARRY BONDS, or some such twaddle.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UP...
I never had a problem with any Burwell article before today.  I did not have a problem with his article about AP yesterday.  He is surlier this year than last, the comparison to Bonds is more for shock value, and I do not have a problem with that either. He is selling newspapers..... I get it.

I did have a problem with him introducing himself into the article.  19 times he used the word I.  He comes across as condescending and purporting to be a better person than Albert.  I got a big problem with it.  It has not taken much, besides not giving sportswriters the proper respect they deserve, for sportswriters to vilify Albert.

Surly or not, the man, when not caught up in the competition, is a big hearted soul who does so much good for our community. I am disgusted at how Burwell presented his information.  It was classless.

by Schnake on Oct 18, 2006 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Valatan
for inspiring this point:

remember all of you saying "we don't deserve to make it to the playoffs this year, in fact, I'm cheering against the Cardinals to prove a point."

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DO THAT.

Once you get to the playoffs you always have a shot, so you always want to make it, despite how underperforming the team is. We had several injuries to deal with, it wasn't like we were a crappy team. Now we have a chance to win the NLCS, and go to the World Series. And even if we lose, we'll go down with so much more respect than we would have if having lost our division. The playoffs are a whole different season, and once you make them, everything that happened before doesn't matter, and you can suddenly become the greatest in the world and no one will know otherwise. Just ask Yadier Molina.

On that note, let's go Redbirds!

Acquire Barry Zito!

by aet15 on Oct 18, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we win NLCS...
TLR is manager of the NL All-star team next year right?
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR in game 5
I have looked thru today's posts, and except for LB's postgame post last night, NO ONE has commented on his decisions.  We all know he made a number of not-by-the-book calls last night--the Duncan PH vs. a lefty, keeping Weaver in for the 6th inning and thru the Mets power the third time, pulling Flores for Wainwright when he did, etc.  They all worked in the Cards favor.  Recent history says that if any had gone wrong, especially in a loss, there would be no end to the excoriation of Tony.  You can call his success dumb good luck if you want, but I haven't seen anyone calling his failures dumb bad luck.  So how about we give him credit when it is due?

by oldbirdwatcher on Oct 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR managed well
I wasn't sure about starting Kinney in the 8th but it ended up working out fine. Flores vs. a righthanded Valentin or Wainwright vs. a lefthanded Valentin makes sense to me. Valentin's a better hitter lefty, but Wainwright's better at getting lefties than Flores is against right-handers. Flores had done his job and shouldn't be facing right-handed batters with the game on the line.

by liam on Oct 18, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think several people commented
that his decisions went well.  

Don't forget that there were extensive post game comments in last night's overflow thread.

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Encarnacion
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/mlb/chatter_up/2006/2006/10/not-easy-being-green.html

Just read this and in it the article notes that Juan Enc actually led NL right fielders in Zone Rating at .912--and while we are in agreement that defensive metrics are no true barometer, this must count for something. Not bad Mr. Encarcion.

by mdarshan on Oct 18, 2006 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

balls on the ground
That doesn't count singles played into doubles and doubles into triples.

Juan covers a good bit of ground, and he goes back on the ball well, but he has big trouble chasing and securing groundballs, especially in the corner.

Beyond that, I don't remember him making a strong throw all year.

by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting tidbits
  1.  In the 1,164 postseason games played since the American League and National League champions first met in 1903, there have been only two other occasions on which a left-handed batter pinch-hit a home run off a left-handed pitcher. Johnny Mize of the Yankees hit one off the Brooklyn Dodgers' Preacher Roe in the 1952 World Series, and Arizona's Erubiel Durazo hit one off Glavine, then with the Braves, in the 2001 NLCS.
  2.         2006 postseason      2006 regular season
ERA          3.04                  4.54
Opp. BA      .232*                  .268
K per 9       6.8                  6.1
*Held opponents to 0-31 with runners in scoring position, 2 outs in postseason

by sdesserman on Oct 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Red Underwear!!!
ok the wife sais i gotta take the red underwear off after this game win or lose so i see Carp mowing em down tonight and my boxers getting washed!! i tell ya cardinal nation i just had my kid teach me how to use her computer so i could dig up cardinal information all day im tired of the anticipation!! its time to lock and load  4 hours to go and the team all of new york was hopeing theyed play((  yes from their own words!!)) the team they thought theyd roll over so easilly is now just 27 outs away from the greatest popstseason ive seen so far except 1982 that one can never be beat for me but i tell ya this one is a hellova ride!!  GO CARDINALS!!!

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tiger
If we win this thing I actually think the tigers are in a bad spot, how many days of rest will they have had till game 1 on sat?  It would be nice to give the pitchers a rest but talk about a way to kill a team when they are rolling.  They had 7 straight wins in the playoffs now i hope they have 4 straight losses

by A4lex on Oct 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice thought
I hope you're right, but the White Sox didn't miss a beat under the same scenario last year.

by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR's managing style
Tony is just going on instincts right now.  I have NO PROBLEM with bringing Wainright in to face the lefty Valentine.  

I unstand the Lefty-Lefty stats but Tony wanted to get his best guy out there with the game on the line.  There is no reason to argue with that.  If Flores had give up a hit there the game would have been tied.  Adam Wainright is on fire and this is just a case of Tony riding the hot hand.  

Stats are important, but Tony is a Hall of Famer becasue of decisions like this one.

2006 Cardinals- An underdog story

by Born in 82 on Oct 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Valentine's a switch hitter
So he would have faced Flores as a right-hander. He has an .291/.211 BA split batting left vs. right, but righthanders hit Flores at a .329 clip vs. .258 for lefthanded batters.

It's not a no-brainer move, though, since lefthanded batters hit .301 off Wainwright. Tony must have had some data that showed Valentin couldn't hit a curveball to save his life batting lefthanded, since that's all Wainwright threw.

by liam on Oct 18, 2006 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game 6
Tonight while most of you are gathered 'round your TV or at the local bar, I'll be at the hospital with my wife while she delivers our twin daughters.

She didn't like my idea of naming them Alberta and Christina.

Anyway, I'll be away from the internets for a spell but I've enjoyed reading all the posts over the past few months.

Go Cards.

by Okasa on Oct 18, 2006 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best of luck to you!
(and especially your wife)!

How about Spezia and Juanita, in honor of tonight's Cardinal stars?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Mrs. Okasa!
Just name the first wee 'un Ana Lucias (Sounds like NLCS) and the other one you'll just have to name "Clincher."

Seriously, though.... congratulations!

by liam on Oct 18, 2006 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no, it'll work!
Middle name/nickname suggestions:

Alberta
Veronica (nickname Bellie, since babies have a cute potbelly)
Rolena
Christina, Chrissy, That Tall Kid
"whatevernameyouchoose Ballgame"
"your little Instant Breakfast"

If he can't use El Hombre as a nickname, what would be the female equivalent?

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Female equivalent:
"La Mujer"

pronounced moo-HAIR.  Like a furry cow.

Mom better have a sense of humor.

Congrats, Okasa.

youneverknow

by meat on Oct 18, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll be ok...
every hospital room I've ever been in has a TV.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

congrats to the new Card fans!!
how about Whain and Wright??

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
I think you need to get your priorties straighted out... I am kidding. Congratulations.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kryptonite lefties
Are we finally coming to life against lefties?  I know that Glavine shut us down in game 1 and Oliver threw 6 zero's at us in game 3, but how about this:

Game 2:  3 runs against Wagner in the 9th
Game 4:  5 runs against Oliver Perez
Game 5:  3 runs against Glavine, 1 against Feliciano

I like the fact that our lineup with a lot of good right-handed hitters is finally showing signs of coming to life against lefties.

That being said, let's take Maine to the woodshed tonight and give Carp some breathing room.  Don't give 'em a chance to feel like they're in the game.

by wildman on Oct 18, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 more hours!!!
 man im really getting pumped!!! i just cant wait rto see what this team has in store for us tonight!!! i would like to say one thing after visiting a mets chat site i was shocked at their petty name calling to all of our team and fans  it was actually quite depressing they are really bumming out  one person even acussed Albert of steroids i almost threw in some serious pond scum taunting but i couldnt do that to cardinal nation  anyway im glad to be back here with the family!! ill be back on at 11 tonight to celebrate with everyone!!!

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Around the Horn
Mariotti calls it for us.  Tim Cowlishaw calls for a game 7.  Woody Paige says that TLR has outmanaged Randolph and that we'll win tonight. J.A. Adande thinks we'll lose.

by cardsfan84 on Oct 18, 2006 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't depress me
Mariotti is a scumbag.

by sdrone on Oct 18, 2006 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yea...
 i still got my red underwear on!!!!!

by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

question regarding the WS rotation
If we win tonight, I'd assume that Supp pitches on Saturday.

If we lose tonight and win tomorrow, who starts game 1?  Weaver on short rest? Then game 2 will be Carp on short rest.

Marquis or Reyes could start game 1 and then everyone would have full rest after that.

 ...just kidding about that Marquis suggestion.

by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's...
get there first.

by raisin on Oct 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure, sure...
but I'm tired of repeating the same discussions.

by _pistol_ on Oct 18, 2006 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we get there, I'd hand the ball to Reyes
drop Hancock from the roster and bring up Naverson.  Let Reyes go 90 pitches or so, or 3+ runs and then hand the ball to Naverson.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineup Posted at Stltoday:
  1. Eckstein, ss
  2. Spiezio, lf
  3. Pujols, 1b
  4. Edmonds, cf
  5. Encarnacion, rf
  6. Rolen, 3b
  7. Belliard, 2b
  8. Molina, c
  9. Carpenter, p
Looks good to me.

by OCCardsFan on Oct 18, 2006 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Edmonds...
batting cleanup, but I would have dropped Enc in favor of Duncan or JRod. In fact, one could argue that Speez should be at third and Duncan/JRod at the corners.

Rolen could come into the game in the 2nd or 3rd once Maine is out of there.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

outfield defense
I'd have considered Spiezio for Rolen, but there's no way I'd have started both Spiezio and Duncan (or J-Rod) in the outfield with Carp on the mound and a chance to clinch.

That outfield defense would have been just terrible.

by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone with score predictions for
tonight's game?

I've got Good Guys 7 Pond Scum 3

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I called...
last night's game 14-1 for the Mets, so I'll skip the predictions from here on.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No!
Don't stop.  I demand you predict a 20-0 Mets win!

by Robb on Oct 18, 2006 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predictions
I was pretty dang close last night so I will try agian. Cards win 9-3 with Carp going 7 2/3 and Maine getting yanked after a blow up in the 3rd.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JEd
I say 3 ribies in a 3-5 night and 1 bomb.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of throws from the outfield
How about the canon that Wilson is showing off in the last few games. Throwing out the runner at second and then keeping a runner from going to third. NICE!!
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lineup
I would've started Spiezio at 3rd base and Duncan in LF. I also would've batted Pujols 4th for this game only (although I know it would never happen).

Eckstein
Spiezio
Duncan
Pujols
Edmunds
Encarnacion
Belliard
Molina
Carpenter

Even though 3rd is normally the best spot for Albert, I would've batted him 4th because if he comes up with men on base, the Cardinals win.  I'd like him further away from the bottom of the order and the three guys at the top all have good obp's.

by lerwin1 on Oct 18, 2006 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Different Attitude Then Years Past
Have you noticed that the Cardinals seemed a little more loose than they have in years past.  That and they seem to be showing more emotion and more excitement. This could be attributable to a number of things, influx of rookies, guys playing who have never been in the post season before, being underdogs.  Whatever it is there has been a different fealing than in previous years, in particular the last couple of years.  In those years it seemed like the Cardinal players (and the cardinals fans) were playing not to lose.  This year it seems like they are enjoying themselves (mabe with the exception of Albert) and playing more relaxed baseball.

by sdcardinal78 on Oct 18, 2006 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I got a prediction for you....
I think Scott Rolen goes for at least TWO extra base hits....AND makes a defensive gem at the corner to earn the Game Ball......

That's my story, and I'm stick'in to it! ... :)

by Timbo02 on Oct 18, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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