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Birdos_avatar_tiny by lboros on in News Comment 530 comments

very strange start by reyes; he was ahead 0-2 or 1-2 against 7 of the first 11 hitters in this game, but went to 3 balls on 5 of them . . . . could it be something as simple as shaking off rust? kid has only thrown to 6 batters in the last 3 weeks.

whatever. not a good start, not a disastrous one. wise move by la russa to take him out.

Update [2006-10-15 21:51:29 by lboros]: or not . . . . [end update]

2-2, top of the 5th.

Update [2006-10-15 23:52:48 by lboros]: mets even the series, 2 up. both teams have won a game via shutout and one vs the opposing team's bullpen . . . . pretty even series. cards are not badly positioned despite the loss; only two wins away from the world series, with carp and suppan still to pitch.

i'll take my chances with that. . . .

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Thompson,
this oughta be interesting

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Should have had more faith in A. Reyes.
This is a joke. Reyes did a great job. He gave up two dingers with nobody on. I can deal with that. They made an adjustment and had him pitch from the stretch wich worked out great. He held beltran in check. Tony lost the game when he took Reyes out. Anybody with half a brain can see that is when the cardinals lost control of the game . Should have stuck with the kid and had confidence in him and we would probably be playing on Monday with a chance to clinch. But, now we have to do it drama style. Love the boys and Larussa but I wish he would have had more faith in Reyes.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Preston Wilson there?
With LaRussa's lefty/righty obsession and Wilson's great split against lefties, why not use him there? It's not like we're saving him for the bullpen - they only have 1 lefty besides Wagner.

I'm proud of Tony for not going "by the book" but there needs to be some limitation to this.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by far
the most important inning thus far!
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

curious
Hate to beat a dead horse, but did anyone see if he was throwing the 4 seamer tonight? the loss in velocity has me wondering again

by TICY on Oct 15, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
his velocity was just down.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh
meh
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch
Not used to seeing that from someone who has been near flawless.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon thompson
show us what you're made of against the heart of the order.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i speak too soon
yikes
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shoot.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dpdpdp
come on double play!
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Bradley
Make Dixie State Junior College proud.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

does
he always look so nervous?
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ack@

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uh
why is reyes not still in there?
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was tipping all of his pitches
n/t

Tony even admitted it in the interview.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, that hurts
This Delgado guy can apparently hit.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe reyes
wasn't doing so poorly after all . . . .

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well
that was depressingly predictable.

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit
The TLR magic went poof...

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thompson was not going to get Delgado out
Bad time to switch out Reyes and not the right guy.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch!
I mean I know we all hate to lose, but gosh I hate losing when the only runs the other team scores are off of homeruns. God I hate it!

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me
I said the Mets were going to blow up in this inning.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you say that every inning
don't you? like, in every game?

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.
It just seems like I do. ;)

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Belliard doesn't make that error
this doesn't happen. I think it shook Thompson.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, settle down Brad
We can come back on Oliver

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cheese on rice
get someone else up.  at least the hr is typically a rally killer.

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is going to be a good series
guess what? It's only the 5th inning.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Good-bye, Thompson.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's an excellent question
why not bring him in to pitch to beltran / delgado?

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered that myself
Maybe TLR was afraid to have him pitch to LoDuca?

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as i think this through
heart of the order is probably gonna bat 3 more times --- 5th, 7th, 9th. cards only forestall that if they're extreeemley efficient and yield almost no baserunners. if TLR burns flores here, he loses his matchup leverage for later, higher-leverage situations . . . . . .

different inning if belliard doesn't make the error

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad
My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You
What was that little experiment worth? Oh wait...
3 Mets runs

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok pujols
needs to break out of his funk

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
Has 0 rbi's this NLCS.  This game ain't over.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cards will score
AT LEAST 3 more runs, book it.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Help me understand this?
5th inning. the big guys are up. 3 of the 4 are either lefty or switch-hitters w/ weaker numbers from the right side (Beltran)

Why not bring in Flores? Use him to face this stretch of lefties, saving Johnson for the 7th/8th inning when they come up again. (Wainwright of course in the 9th)

At the very least, why not use Hancock or Kinney - both of who are appreciably better vs. lefties than Thompson?  

I hated the idea of Brad Thompson going through the heart of the order before he was brought in, and seeing what eventually happened makes me even more perplexed.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant
The 3 Stooges have tken over

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These are the Cardinals
that bumble around to 4-1 NLCS losses. Good to see them show up right now.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't start celebrating yet
baldy. I'm talkin' about you, Delgado.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok just get perez
and then i'll go crawl into a bottle

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's getting questioned constantly
about his bullpen use, isn't he?  I wonder if he's just REALLY paranoid about tired arms.

Though, as idiot announcer number 2 said, now isn't hte time to worry about that.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe that Randolph...
let Perez hit. I hope this comes back to haunt him.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

god damnit
were all being pessimists again and talking about the cardinals laying down, cmon guys this game ISNT OVER BY A LONG SHOT!!! so cut the shit.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My fault
Coming back up to school after a weekend at home...I parked with the score 1-0, gathered an armload of stuff, carried it up to the room, flipped on the TV, and it was 2-1 Mets.

After the fourth inning I went back for a second armload...

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear lord
Flores, just throw a strike!

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here's an idea
randy,

it's the flipping pitcher.  throw STRIKES!!!

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perez
couldn't hit a ball off a tee; throw strikes, Randy!

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
If Flores walks Oliver Perez to get to Reyes...
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for the O
to go "boom."  this ain't hardly over...

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's right
Wipe that smile off Delgado's face.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the Cardinals pitching the way they are
it doesn't feel like we're just beginning..

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pump your fists, Randy!
You just struck out a tough out.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok
I used to buy the 'park is more open' excuse for why it's not as loud at this Busch stadium, but I don't buy it any longer.

Every single fucking time they pan over the crowd, there's like two people making noise, and 50 others sitting there calmly watching the game as if it were a Broadway show. There's NO life in the stands.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sadly enough,
this has seemed to be an annoyingly common occurence as far as I can tell. I grabbed a couple of games at the end of the year (i'm now a student at indiana university but a redbird nut, really) and even then the crowd wasn't impressive by any means. And I've seen it over and over again this postseason. i've seen fans help win games games over and over... plus, why the hell are they there if they're not gonna cheer?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." -Bob Gibson GO YOUNGINS!

by realRED429 on Oct 15, 2006 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't over
now is the time to beat the shit out of Perez.  My rally shirt is on.  Good mop up job by Flores.  

Go cards!

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This isn't over....
Pujols jacks a 3-run torpedo onto Clark St.

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoever threw the HR ball back
should've been ejected from the stadium. This ain't Wrigley Field, dude. Show a little respect.
The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I didn't really care for that much...

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That drives me nuts
It's bad enough at Wrigley.  I've wanted to get a bleacher seat just so I can keep the ball.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AP will
pick em up this inning

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eek
The Knuckle Dragger is bad news.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to make excuse, but -
three Met home runs do tend to quiet a crowd down. Only the Cards can bring them back to life. This is the inning. Ollie Perez is the pitcher, fer crissake.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BOOMSTICK BABY
Little Eck!

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My Pug is asleep making
crazy barking/yelping noises.
A sign???

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
It's a sign hes chasing a rabbit.  Hes telling you to be prepared for his next walk.

Pet Psycho... er Psychic, my bad 8-)

Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet
Eck puts it deep. Long way to go, let's not relent.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Ecks

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good idea
just didn't get it done

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap..

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is an Amazing Stat
The Mets have scored in seven innings. We score in the next inning five times.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't a clutch
enough situation for Speez

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hah. Don't you wish Willie Randolph would
be honest and say "yeah, damn, they don't hit lefties well, do they?"

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poo looks so uncomfortable
I know he's not hitless or anything, but he doesn't look like himself.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5 won't win this puppy
Albert has been kidnapped, please return him.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna say it
Pujols sucks in this series.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch...

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

darn it
come on pujols

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
is trying too hard. He never chases like that

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I swear
Oliver Perez is missing the target so badly he's putting it in a a spot that is hard to hit a lot.  I don't know how that works.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahahahahaha
That was great... Marquis take notes.
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
between him and jose reyes i'm going to puke
"Go Crazy, Folks! Go Crazy!"

by erik on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is perez doing that goofy
jump over the foul line deal?

put one in his ear

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 run game....
12 more outs for NY, plenty of time.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well...
after the 5th, it's 5-3 in favor of the Mets. It ain't over yet.
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...
we're headed for a 3-run walkoff in the ninth by Taguchi. Calling it now.

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perez has really stepped up tonight.
Wish Reyes could have given the same.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Met sluggers -
are leaving Albert in the dust and making it look easy. It's money time, AP  - c'mon, crank it up.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Have Faith, Have Faith
This game isn't over and other people, as they have all series, have to pick it up for Albert. He carried the team for most of the year, so now it is time for them to payback ... and they will before the night is over.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh...
isn't a Game 5 overflow a bit premature?

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha
Didn't notice, but no wrong in being prepared...
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Lidge when ya need him?
Alberts new bitch? 1 William Wagner.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes is coming up for the fourth time
and it's just the sixth inning.

Ugh.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

9pm and we're in the 5th inning
and I was gonna get to bed early tonight. Right.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brad Thompson has that look -
reminiscent of some other unsuccessful Card hurlers in October ... bug-eyed, sweaty, spitting uncontrollably. (Magrane?)

It's not a good look, especially tonight.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So...
Do you plan on throwing a strike now, Mr. Hancock?

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My g/f called it
yesterday: this series is going 7 games.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hancock in
reyes gets a base hit

three bullpen pitchers now

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I Hear How Good Reyes
is one more time this series I might actually vomit.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's the greatest player since Joe Morgan...
I'm just surprised Joe Morgan didn't say it first.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats why i hate Reyes leading off
he's too damn fast
he'll be crossing the plate b4 u know it

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep
He's about to come in now.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this stinks
but we're going to come back

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As I Said Last Night
We need somebody w/ speed like that next year on our team. Speed fuc*ing kills.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 straight strikeouts
i can feel it

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is going on?
Someone please tell me what La Russa is thinking with his pen tonight? Thompson was hurt by poor d, but at the same time Flores has done a good job multiple time going through the heart of the Met order.

So what does LaRussa do? Start with Thompson, who gives up the lead. Follows that with Flores, who gets out of the inning. AND THEN, AGAINST A TEAM WHO STRUGGLES AGAINST LEFTHANDED PITCHING, pulles flores and goes to Hancock again the heart of the Met lineup.

In general, LaRussa has done a good job this post season, but tonight LaRussa has done about the exact oposite of what he needs each and every time. Just crazy...

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did we do all this wacky 2nd baseman
positioning before Belly got here and I just never noticed it?  

MAN he always plays way deep and often way to the right.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hancock stinks
Delgado's gonna..umm...double play!

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this different
than the bad feeling watching Reyes go to 3-2 on everyone?

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on guys
we can't do this and expect to win

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
WTF is with these fucking pitchers? 0-2, walk. 0-2, walk, 1-2, walk. ???????

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this guy doesn't even stand during
the National Anthem
Yep. I hate him

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I may need to add this guy to the list.
Beltran.
Schilling.
That damn tarp.
Denkinger
Delgado.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, this game's over.
I hope Glavine sucks on 3 days rest, but with the fact that lefties are Cardinal killers...

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Say good-night to the Cardinals
Hancock sucks. You can't count on this guy for anything.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank God 4 the
Ground Rule Double

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not available?
who is unavailable to pitch today

gosh, i blame my folks for not letting me watch on the larger TV.

this is pathetic.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone
from the looks of things

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how the f*ck can
you let Delgado hit it over your head????

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey
there's still no one out!

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we don't see Hancock next year
I'm not going to care.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does he know where
Molina glove is

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh. Yes.
It's "someplace I can't throw."

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR
What the hell is he thinking with this bullpen management? Flores should have pitched the 5th AND/OR the 6th, and yet... the Mets kill Thompson and Hancock instead.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not very impressive night
For us.  I know it's October and this is for a shot to the WS, but the level of play just doesn't seem that high.  I mean, Perez v. Reyes is no pitching matchup for the ages....just sort of feels like either the Mets or the Cards will be lambs to the slaughter against the Tigers.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Try to Stay Positive, But I Tend
to agree with you. The level of play/energy just doesn't seem to be there. The error where Albert still almost got thrown out is a perfect example.

And I don't think the Mets/Cards stand a chance against the Tigers. The AL is so superior to the NL that it is hard to comprehend.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there anybody up
in the bullpen???
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is a very disappointing game
but we've got Carp and Suppan coming up - and tomorrow's a crapshoot. At least we won't be facing elmination with eithe Reyes or Weaver on the mound.
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poors fans at the Busch
They stop selling beer in the 7th

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what I hate about playoffs?
You can't go to bed even in a blow out

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Watch me
I'm tired as crap.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know ;)
God this game sucks.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just thinking. . .
was TLR even watching the game???
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So.....
it's just our rookie bullpen pitchers that are great in the postseason?  What a mind-blower for LaRussa.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
If we lose, it's better to lose a blow out than a close one in my opinion.  If Albert comes up and hits some worthless solo shot I'm going to be somewhat upset.

Delgado is showing Albert up in a huge way.  Beltran likewise with Jimmy and Scott.  That's the difference in this series right now to me.

But regardless, at the worst it's tied 2-2.  I am still confident we can win this thing.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Delgado
has also been up with men on nearly every time he's been up. Albert bats with the bases empty nearly every time.
MY GOD!! THAT's ADAM WAINWRIGHT'S MUSIC!!!

by Rob Rabies on Oct 15, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
I agree with you.  I am not bashing Albert NEARLY as much as I am saying Delgado has been sickening.  It probably came off wrong, my apologies.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we get outta this
And we'll win the game
Bank it

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to it
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay
Someone found the regular season team and returned them to Busch stadium tonight.

by Robb on Oct 15, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The loss.....
itself doesn't end the series, but the damage psychologically and on our pen puts the Mets well situated in the driver's seat....

by stanchar on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

again....
The worst thing about this is we are using our bullpen before Weaver works on short rest.

The mets bullpen should be pretty fresh.

This sucks...and McCarver sucks....god...when is the MLB contract up with Fox.

by armitagecard on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cardinal bullpen -
certainly stinks real bad tonite. Real bad. But I guess this game was coming after so many effective innings over the past couple weeks.

The true test will be whether this is the new (negative) trend, or just a hiccup as they rediscover their form in the big games to follow this one.

One thing for sure, this potent Met line up has rediscovered their mojo. Our big hitters must produce like theirs. Tonite they certainly have not.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes = 2 runs
Bullpen = 9
The kid didn't look that bad after all

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i feel a new NLCS record coming up
first series to allow a team to go twice through the order in one inning.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is up with Tony tonight???!!
A series of questionable decisions....
  1. Yanking Reyes after 4 innings: only 3 hits, and 2 ER - - was he "on?" Nope, but he was competing and was in no worse shape than Perez.
  2. Using Duncan instead of Wilson. Can't even begin to understand why a guy who adheres so vehemently to the lefty/right splits would try to use Duncan there. Was he saving Preston Wilson to face Wagner?!?!
  3. Using Thompson to face the left-heavy heart of the order. Why not start the inning w/ Flores? Again - just baffling that someone who loves to play the matchups went against them over and over tonight.
  4. Letting Hancock face Delgado w/ the bases loaded. It's painfully obvious that our right-handed strategy of pitching him high and away is not working. Johnson looked great against him the other night - why not bring him in?
Overall, just a series of very disappointing (and illogical) decisions by LaRussa. Not saying we would've won tonight, but geez, at least we would've had a chance.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree with the pulling of reyes
he hadn't done well vs beltran / delgado --- walked them both in the first, gave up a homer (beltran) and a flyout on a fat pitch (delgado) in the third . . . . prudent to get him out of there.

but i agree with the rest of your criticisms. totally illogical use of his bullpen.

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
Yea, he struggled with them - - but remember that was when he was "tipping" his pitches. Would love to see how they fared with him having the element of surprise back in his favor.

I just don't see why you yank him when your next choice is Brad Thompson.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
And when Reyes is going to go 3-2 on every damn batter, heading into seeing the same games for the 3rd time you gotta know they are sitting dead red on 1 single pitch and 1 single pitch only.  I have no problem getting Reyes out when TLR did.  

I am more confused on how Reyes ever 1 hit the Sox hehe.  

I dunno why I'm not freaked out about this loss.  I just have a blah feeling.  I tihnk Albert is due for a 4-5 rbi game is why maybe.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh
games = guys....that was pathetic typing

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen use
It might have been unrealistically optimistic, but TLR must've figured that Thompson could give you an inning or two—get you into the crucial late innings with the game close.

Didn't work out, obviously, but I can see the reasoning.

Nice dinger, Edmonds!

by liam on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony said...
that Reyes was tipping his pitches. That's why he took him out.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he left him in to pitch 2 more innings
He was tipping his pitches when Dunc went out in the 2nd inning - - he made it through the next 2 without allowing any runs (and no hits either, right?)

A slightly used Reyes is still > fresh Brad Thompson.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re point #2 above
yes i think he was saving preston wilson for a higher-leverage situation. too early in the game to burn preston wilson

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What higher leverage situation is there though?
The only guy in the lineup that you might pinch-hit for is the pitcher. The Mets only have 1 lefty in the pen besides Wagner.... You've got Gooch and Bennett still on the bench, and realistically, who else are you going to pinch-hit for the rest of the way besides the pitcher? Rolen? Edmonds? Belliard? Red-hot Yadi? That was our shot to really get at Perez when it mattered and we didn't take it.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would depend on the situation
of the cards were down 2 or 3 late in the game and had a couple of guys on, needed a homer to tie it up, i can imagine wilson pinch-hitting for half the lineup --- molina, belliard, maybe even eckstein . . . . .

in any case, the selection of a PH in the 4th inning of a tie game with two outs and 1 man on base is hardly a make-or-break decision.

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not a make/break
But as I mentioned - we'd threatened Perez all night and that was one more good chance to really get to him and put all the pressure on the Mets as we roll into the late innings....

Not neccessarily mad at any of the decisions in particular, but collectively it just looks like LaRussa went on auto-pilot there for awhile and quit playing his beloved stat matchups.

Kinda reminds me of LaRussa saving McGwire (and his balky knee) for late-inning situations that never materialized against the Mets in 2000. Sometimes the most important opportunities or matchups are in the middle innings.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now they are going to have to burn
a useful reliever for 2-3 innings, making him unavailable for tomorrow . . . .  probably looper for 2 innings and wainwright or kinney for 1. that should keep all the important guys available for tomorrow . . . . .

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez
We just got beat by the pitcher who had the highest ERA ever in a NLCS.

I'm glad it's a blow out however, because if this team has any heart we will be pissed to high heaven tomorrow.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This loss
can be pinned on the pen, but LaRussa, who so often prides himself on excelent matchups completely blew it tonight.

It's the 6th and both of the long men (Thompson and Hancock) are gone, both of the lefties are gone (Flores and Johnson). Just non-sensical managing to me. The Mets core struggles against lefties and yet LaRussa throws Hancock and Thompson out there. Why did he lift flores for Hancock? It makes no sense. It is always sad when a winnable game is given away by poor managing. I just hope that this does prove the teams undoing tomorrow, when Weaver going on short rest, or in the future, with the pen realizing its own failures.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well LaRussa
May not be able to save his bullpen, but I am saving my late nights.  To sleep, perchance to dream of a 9-run rally.  Anybody in DC want to watch the game tomorrow, drop me a note.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The bullpen sucks
But I'm saying it, this loss is on the shoulders of one Mr. Tony La Russa.

Thompson should NOT have started the 5th. Flores should have.

Hancock should NOT have started the 6th. Flores should have.

These moves TLR made boggle my mind. I'm headed to bed - night all.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh. Yeah, because
our bullpen NORMALLY pitches the way they have the prior 6 games.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good news
We're tied 2-2
This could of happened with one of our good guys going
We got a shot at Glavine on short rest tomorrow
We got a Carp start and Soup start left
Pujols has to wake up sooner or later

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of Course This Begs
The question, what can we do in the off season so we have a tested and successful group of arms in the bullpen next year?

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this might be it for today
but tomorrow is only a day away

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was it worth it
For Jimmy to hit the wall so hard when down by 8? Nice catch.

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget
Despite his failures on 3 days rest, Glavine is a left handed pitcher. We might as well forfeit and hope for Carp and Soup to win the series for us.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God bless Jim Edmonds
What a ballplayer!

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Ballgame!
Better get started on that improbable comeback, gentlemen...

Sucks that the bullpen is being taxed so heavily here.

by liam on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A comeback from this
Would go down in the annals of postseason history, for sure.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, I should have done this earlier...
after the bases got cleared, I went and trimmed the playoff beard.  Instantly, we got out of the inning.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope, just cleaned it up.
It was trying to creep down my neck, and it was just annoying me.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I changed shirts too.
And Jimmy hits a homer.  We may not be done yet.

/considers cracking a cold, frosty Budweiser.

Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get why everyone gets so
excited about Glavine on short rest.

I like that Weaver has been doing better...but he still has to pitch on short rest as well. There is some fear that the Mets lefy heavy lineup has seen enough of him to know what he is throwing.

by armitagecard on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok this next inning
single, single, double, single, pinch hit hr, walk, single, hr

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tomorrow
I was originally thinking a rainout tomorrow would help the Mets more.  now I'd say that's changed.

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On his message board, Bernie M didn't sound
wildly optimistic that tomorrow's game would be played because of the weather. While I hate that it would allow Glavine to go on full rest, perhaps Weaver and the pen could use the extra recovery time.

by steve in georgia on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

didn't it seem like he had time to turn around?
there was a moment when i thought "oh, he's gonna rob it"--then a pause, then "oh, he still did the willie mays bit." trying to get a little fire going perhaps.

by brock on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad news
It's gonna rain tomorrow, Glavine will go with full rest
These guys are really good, especially for Puppy Kickers
Weaver is, you lnow, Weaver
Pujols doesn't HAVE to wake up, an may not.
We have to go back to Shet Stadium
Rolen

Not to worry - this is OUR year.

Cards in six.

HEY - Rolen popped up!!

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please,
someone tell Scott Rolen that this is BASEBAL
not GOLF!!!!!!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
This possible loss does beg some other questions:
  1. Pujols has had a very quiet series. If we are going to win, he is going to need to eventualy wake up. And when I say wake up, I mean make the Mets fear him.
  2. Perez has been decent tonight for the Mets, but he has hardly been dominate. It is sad to see that the team never had the plate diciplin or timly hits to push Perez off the edge, because there were a few times in the early innings where another hit or walk might have made all the difference. Oh and BTW, on TV the crowd is silent. I also think a bit more noise might have helped fray Perez's nerves at the right momement.
  3. Reyes was medicore. La Russa pulled him at the right time. La Russa just followed it up with crazy moves.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, That Pisses Me Off
Spiezio totally gave up on that ball. Sad.

And what a catch, yet another reason Jimmy is my favorite player.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my favorite too
love the uppercut HRs as well as the catches.

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I Kind of Hope
He is reminding people of that in the dugout as we speak.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Jimmy doesn't really think this is over

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jimmmmmmmyyyyyy!!!!!!
AND against a lefty, too!

Paying attention, TLR???

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously
he thinks we're going to win this game.

I'm willing to listen to his argument...

It's nice to see someone actually stepping up and putting the team on his back.  This isn't a knock on anyone else, just a compliment to Jimmy.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was afraid Beltran would rob that
But Jimmy is carrying the weight on his ailing shoulders

by KeepOnRolen on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone remember?
A game last year in Cincy?

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we could just get....
Jimmy up to the plate 8 more times tonight...

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, nighty night guys - Cards will lose 12-7
I hope tomorrow's game is played and I hope we knock Glavine around - otherwise, I don't like our chances.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sniff Sniff Sniff
I smell a comeback... can you smell it? Can you smell it?

by KeepOnRolen on Oct 15, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MOLINA!!!!!!
Albert, are you watching this????
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's your duty, Judy
It's your turntocare, Yadier

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And then
2 in the 7th, 3 in the 8th, 2 in the 9th to win.

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, guys
Keep.

Hope.

Alive.

Keep.  

Hope.

Alive.

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now
will t