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Birdos_avatar_tiny by lboros on in St. Louis Cardinals News

very strange start by reyes; he was ahead 0-2 or 1-2 against 7 of the first 11 hitters in this game, but went to 3 balls on 5 of them . . . . could it be something as simple as shaking off rust? kid has only thrown to 6 batters in the last 3 weeks.

whatever. not a good start, not a disastrous one. wise move by la russa to take him out.

Update [2006-10-15 21:51:29 by lboros]: or not . . . . [end update]

2-2, top of the 5th.

Update [2006-10-15 23:52:48 by lboros]: mets even the series, 2 up. both teams have won a game via shutout and one vs the opposing team's bullpen . . . . pretty even series. cards are not badly positioned despite the loss; only two wins away from the world series, with carp and suppan still to pitch.

i'll take my chances with that. . . .

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Thompson,
this oughta be interesting

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Should have had more faith in A. Reyes.
This is a joke. Reyes did a great job. He gave up two dingers with nobody on. I can deal with that. They made an adjustment and had him pitch from the stretch wich worked out great. He held beltran in check. Tony lost the game when he took Reyes out. Anybody with half a brain can see that is when the cardinals lost control of the game . Should have stuck with the kid and had confidence in him and we would probably be playing on Monday with a chance to clinch. But, now we have to do it drama style. Love the boys and Larussa but I wish he would have had more faith in Reyes.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Preston Wilson there?
With LaRussa's lefty/righty obsession and Wilson's great split against lefties, why not use him there? It's not like we're saving him for the bullpen - they only have 1 lefty besides Wagner.

I'm proud of Tony for not going "by the book" but there needs to be some limitation to this.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

by far
the most important inning thus far!
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

curious
Hate to beat a dead horse, but did anyone see if he was throwing the 4 seamer tonight? the loss in velocity has me wondering again

by TICY on Oct 15, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
his velocity was just down.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh
meh
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch
Not used to seeing that from someone who has been near flawless.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

c'mon thompson
show us what you're made of against the heart of the order.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

i speak too soon
yikes
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

dpdpdp
come on double play!
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Bradley
Make Dixie State Junior College proud.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

does
he always look so nervous?
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 15, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, that hurts
This Delgado guy can apparently hit.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe reyes
wasn't doing so poorly after all . . . .

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

well
that was depressingly predictable.

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Thompson was not going to get Delgado out
Bad time to switch out Reyes and not the right guy.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch!
I mean I know we all hate to lose, but gosh I hate losing when the only runs the other team scores are off of homeruns. God I hate it!

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Me
I said the Mets were going to blow up in this inning.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.
It just seems like I do. ;)

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Belliard doesn't make that error
this doesn't happen. I think it shook Thompson.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

cheese on rice
get someone else up.  at least the hr is typically a rally killer.

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
Good-bye, Thompson.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

that's an excellent question
why not bring him in to pitch to beltran / delgado?

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered that myself
Maybe TLR was afraid to have him pitch to LoDuca?

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

as i think this through
heart of the order is probably gonna bat 3 more times --- 5th, 7th, 9th. cards only forestall that if they're extreeemley efficient and yield almost no baserunners. if TLR burns flores here, he loses his matchup leverage for later, higher-leverage situations . . . . . .

different inning if belliard doesn't make the error

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brad
My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank You
What was that little experiment worth? Oh wait...
3 Mets runs

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

ok pujols
needs to break out of his funk

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols
Has 0 rbi's this NLCS.  This game ain't over.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Help me understand this?
5th inning. the big guys are up. 3 of the 4 are either lefty or switch-hitters w/ weaker numbers from the right side (Beltran)

Why not bring in Flores? Use him to face this stretch of lefties, saving Johnson for the 7th/8th inning when they come up again. (Wainwright of course in the 9th)

At the very least, why not use Hancock or Kinney - both of who are appreciably better vs. lefties than Thompson?  

I hated the idea of Brad Thompson going through the heart of the order before he was brought in, and seeing what eventually happened makes me even more perplexed.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant
The 3 Stooges have tken over

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

These are the Cardinals
that bumble around to 4-1 NLCS losses. Good to see them show up right now.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok just get perez
and then i'll go crawl into a bottle

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

He's getting questioned constantly
about his bullpen use, isn't he?  I wonder if he's just REALLY paranoid about tired arms.

Though, as idiot announcer number 2 said, now isn't hte time to worry about that.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe that Randolph...
let Perez hit. I hope this comes back to haunt him.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damnit
were all being pessimists again and talking about the cardinals laying down, cmon guys this game ISNT OVER BY A LONG SHOT!!! so cut the shit.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

My fault
Coming back up to school after a weekend at home...I parked with the score 1-0, gathered an armload of stuff, carried it up to the room, flipped on the TV, and it was 2-1 Mets.

After the fourth inning I went back for a second armload...

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh dear lord
Flores, just throw a strike!

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

here's an idea
randy,

it's the flipping pitcher.  throw STRIKES!!!

by sdesserman on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez
couldn't hit a ball off a tee; throw strikes, Randy!

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
If Flores walks Oliver Perez to get to Reyes...
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Time for the O
to go "boom."  this ain't hardly over...

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

That's right
Wipe that smile off Delgado's face.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the Cardinals pitching the way they are
it doesn't feel like we're just beginning..

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pump your fists, Randy!
You just struck out a tough out.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok
I used to buy the 'park is more open' excuse for why it's not as loud at this Busch stadium, but I don't buy it any longer.

Every single fucking time they pan over the crowd, there's like two people making noise, and 50 others sitting there calmly watching the game as if it were a Broadway show. There's NO life in the stands.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

sadly enough,
this has seemed to be an annoyingly common occurence as far as I can tell. I grabbed a couple of games at the end of the year (i'm now a student at indiana university but a redbird nut, really) and even then the crowd wasn't impressive by any means. And I've seen it over and over again this postseason. i've seen fans help win games games over and over... plus, why the hell are they there if they're not gonna cheer?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." -Bob Gibson GO YOUNGINS!

by realRED429 on Oct 15, 2006 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't over
now is the time to beat the shit out of Perez.  My rally shirt is on.  Good mop up job by Flores.  

Go cards!

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn't over....
Pujols jacks a 3-run torpedo onto Clark St.

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Whoever threw the HR ball back
should've been ejected from the stadium. This ain't Wrigley Field, dude. Show a little respect.
The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
I didn't really care for that much...

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That drives me nuts
It's bad enough at Wrigley.  I've wanted to get a bleacher seat just so I can keep the ball.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP will
pick em up this inning

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Eek
The Knuckle Dragger is bad news.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to make excuse, but -
three Met home runs do tend to quiet a crowd down. Only the Cards can bring them back to life. This is the inning. Ollie Perez is the pitcher, fer crissake.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

BOOMSTICK BABY
Little Eck!

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

My Pug is asleep making
crazy barking/yelping noises.
A sign???

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
It's a sign hes chasing a rabbit.  Hes telling you to be prepared for his next walk.

Pet Psycho... er Psychic, my bad 8-)

Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet
Eck puts it deep. Long way to go, let's not relent.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

good idea
just didn't get it done

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That is an Amazing Stat
The Mets have scored in seven innings. We score in the next inning five times.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

It wasn't a clutch
enough situation for Speez

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Hah. Don't you wish Willie Randolph would
be honest and say "yeah, damn, they don't hit lefties well, do they?"

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Poo looks so uncomfortable
I know he's not hitless or anything, but he doesn't look like himself.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

5 won't win this puppy
Albert has been kidnapped, please return him.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm gonna say it
Pujols sucks in this series.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols
is trying too hard. He never chases like that

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I swear
Oliver Perez is missing the target so badly he's putting it in a a spot that is hard to hit a lot.  I don't know how that works.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahahahahahahaha
That was great... Marquis take notes.
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is perez doing that goofy
jump over the foul line deal?

put one in his ear

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

2 run game....
12 more outs for NY, plenty of time.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

well...
after the 5th, it's 5-3 in favor of the Mets. It ain't over yet.
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think...
we're headed for a 3-run walkoff in the ninth by Taguchi. Calling it now.

by 82celebrate on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez has really stepped up tonight.
Wish Reyes could have given the same.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Met sluggers -
are leaving Albert in the dust and making it look easy. It's money time, AP  - c'mon, crank it up.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Have Faith, Have Faith
This game isn't over and other people, as they have all series, have to pick it up for Albert. He carried the team for most of the year, so now it is time for them to payback ... and they will before the night is over.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...
isn't a Game 5 overflow a bit premature?

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha
Didn't notice, but no wrong in being prepared...
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes is coming up for the fourth time
and it's just the sixth inning.

Ugh.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

9pm and we're in the 5th inning
and I was gonna get to bed early tonight. Right.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Brad Thompson has that look -
reminiscent of some other unsuccessful Card hurlers in October ... bug-eyed, sweaty, spitting uncontrollably. (Magrane?)

It's not a good look, especially tonight.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

So...
Do you plan on throwing a strike now, Mr. Hancock?

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

My g/f called it
yesterday: this series is going 7 games.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

hancock in
reyes gets a base hit

three bullpen pitchers now

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

If I Hear How Good Reyes
is one more time this series I might actually vomit.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats why i hate Reyes leading off
he's too damn fast
he'll be crossing the plate b4 u know it

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep
He's about to come in now.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

this stinks
but we're going to come back

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

As I Said Last Night
We need somebody w/ speed like that next year on our team. Speed fuc*ing kills.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

What is going on?
Someone please tell me what La Russa is thinking with his pen tonight? Thompson was hurt by poor d, but at the same time Flores has done a good job multiple time going through the heart of the Met order.

So what does LaRussa do? Start with Thompson, who gives up the lead. Follows that with Flores, who gets out of the inning. AND THEN, AGAINST A TEAM WHO STRUGGLES AGAINST LEFTHANDED PITCHING, pulles flores and goes to Hancock again the heart of the Met lineup.

In general, LaRussa has done a good job this post season, but tonight LaRussa has done about the exact oposite of what he needs each and every time. Just crazy...

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Did we do all this wacky 2nd baseman
positioning before Belly got here and I just never noticed it?  

MAN he always plays way deep and often way to the right.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Hancock stinks
Delgado's gonna..umm...double play!

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

come on guys
we can't do this and expect to win

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
WTF is with these fucking pitchers? 0-2, walk. 0-2, walk, 1-2, walk. ???????

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

this guy doesn't even stand during
the National Anthem
Yep. I hate him

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I may need to add this guy to the list.
Beltran.
Schilling.
That damn tarp.
Denkinger
Delgado.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this game's over.
I hope Glavine sucks on 3 days rest, but with the fact that lefties are Cardinal killers...

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Say good-night to the Cardinals
Hancock sucks. You can't count on this guy for anything.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank God 4 the
Ground Rule Double

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

not available?
who is unavailable to pitch today

gosh, i blame my folks for not letting me watch on the larger TV.

this is pathetic.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone
from the looks of things

by Nate811 on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

how the f*ck can
you let Delgado hit it over your head????

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey
there's still no one out!

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If we don't see Hancock next year
I'm not going to care.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Does he know where
Molina glove is

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh. Yes.
It's "someplace I can't throw."

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR
What the hell is he thinking with this bullpen management? Flores should have pitched the 5th AND/OR the 6th, and yet... the Mets kill Thompson and Hancock instead.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Not very impressive night
For us.  I know it's October and this is for a shot to the WS, but the level of play just doesn't seem that high.  I mean, Perez v. Reyes is no pitching matchup for the ages....just sort of feels like either the Mets or the Cards will be lambs to the slaughter against the Tigers.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I Try to Stay Positive, But I Tend
to agree with you. The level of play/energy just doesn't seem to be there. The error where Albert still almost got thrown out is a perfect example.

And I don't think the Mets/Cards stand a chance against the Tigers. The AL is so superior to the NL that it is hard to comprehend.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

is there anybody up
in the bullpen???
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

this is a very disappointing game
but we've got Carp and Suppan coming up - and tomorrow's a crapshoot. At least we won't be facing elmination with eithe Reyes or Weaver on the mound.
The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Poors fans at the Busch
They stop selling beer in the 7th

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch me
I'm tired as crap.

by ryanisforever on Oct 15, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

just thinking. . .
was TLR even watching the game???
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

So.....
it's just our rookie bullpen pitchers that are great in the postseason?  What a mind-blower for LaRussa.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
If we lose, it's better to lose a blow out than a close one in my opinion.  If Albert comes up and hits some worthless solo shot I'm going to be somewhat upset.

Delgado is showing Albert up in a huge way.  Beltran likewise with Jimmy and Scott.  That's the difference in this series right now to me.

But regardless, at the worst it's tied 2-2.  I am still confident we can win this thing.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Delgado
has also been up with men on nearly every time he's been up. Albert bats with the bases empty nearly every time.
MY GOD!! THAT's ADAM WAINWRIGHT'S MUSIC!!!

by Rob Rabies on Oct 15, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

True
I agree with you.  I am not bashing Albert NEARLY as much as I am saying Delgado has been sickening.  It probably came off wrong, my apologies.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to it
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay
Someone found the regular season team and returned them to Busch stadium tonight.

by Robb on Oct 15, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

The loss.....
itself doesn't end the series, but the damage psychologically and on our pen puts the Mets well situated in the driver's seat....

by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

again....
The worst thing about this is we are using our bullpen before Weaver works on short rest.

The mets bullpen should be pretty fresh.

This sucks...and McCarver sucks....god...when is the MLB contract up with Fox.

by armitagecard on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Cardinal bullpen -
certainly stinks real bad tonite. Real bad. But I guess this game was coming after so many effective innings over the past couple weeks.

The true test will be whether this is the new (negative) trend, or just a hiccup as they rediscover their form in the big games to follow this one.

One thing for sure, this potent Met line up has rediscovered their mojo. Our big hitters must produce like theirs. Tonite they certainly have not.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes = 2 runs
Bullpen = 9
The kid didn't look that bad after all

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel a new NLCS record coming up
first series to allow a team to go twice through the order in one inning.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What is up with Tony tonight???!!
A series of questionable decisions....
  1. Yanking Reyes after 4 innings: only 3 hits, and 2 ER - - was he "on?" Nope, but he was competing and was in no worse shape than Perez.
  2. Using Duncan instead of Wilson. Can't even begin to understand why a guy who adheres so vehemently to the lefty/right splits would try to use Duncan there. Was he saving Preston Wilson to face Wagner?!?!
  3. Using Thompson to face the left-heavy heart of the order. Why not start the inning w/ Flores? Again - just baffling that someone who loves to play the matchups went against them over and over tonight.
  4. Letting Hancock face Delgado w/ the bases loaded. It's painfully obvious that our right-handed strategy of pitching him high and away is not working. Johnson looked great against him the other night - why not bring him in?
Overall, just a series of very disappointing (and illogical) decisions by LaRussa. Not saying we would've won tonight, but geez, at least we would've had a chance.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree with the pulling of reyes
he hadn't done well vs beltran / delgado --- walked them both in the first, gave up a homer (beltran) and a flyout on a fat pitch (delgado) in the third . . . . prudent to get him out of there.

but i agree with the rest of your criticisms. totally illogical use of his bullpen.

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

True
Yea, he struggled with them - - but remember that was when he was "tipping" his pitches. Would love to see how they fared with him having the element of surprise back in his favor.

I just don't see why you yank him when your next choice is Brad Thompson.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
And when Reyes is going to go 3-2 on every damn batter, heading into seeing the same games for the 3rd time you gotta know they are sitting dead red on 1 single pitch and 1 single pitch only.  I have no problem getting Reyes out when TLR did.  

I am more confused on how Reyes ever 1 hit the Sox hehe.  

I dunno why I'm not freaked out about this loss.  I just have a blah feeling.  I tihnk Albert is due for a 4-5 rbi game is why maybe.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh
games = guys....that was pathetic typing

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullpen use
It might have been unrealistically optimistic, but TLR must've figured that Thompson could give you an inning or two—get you into the crucial late innings with the game close.

Didn't work out, obviously, but I can see the reasoning.

Nice dinger, Edmonds!

by liam on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony said...
that Reyes was tipping his pitches. That's why he took him out.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he left him in to pitch 2 more innings
He was tipping his pitches when Dunc went out in the 2nd inning - - he made it through the next 2 without allowing any runs (and no hits either, right?)

A slightly used Reyes is still > fresh Brad Thompson.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

re point #2 above
yes i think he was saving preston wilson for a higher-leverage situation. too early in the game to burn preston wilson

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What higher leverage situation is there though?
The only guy in the lineup that you might pinch-hit for is the pitcher. The Mets only have 1 lefty in the pen besides Wagner.... You've got Gooch and Bennett still on the bench, and realistically, who else are you going to pinch-hit for the rest of the way besides the pitcher? Rolen? Edmonds? Belliard? Red-hot Yadi? That was our shot to really get at Perez when it mattered and we didn't take it.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would depend on the situation
of the cards were down 2 or 3 late in the game and had a couple of guys on, needed a homer to tie it up, i can imagine wilson pinch-hitting for half the lineup --- molina, belliard, maybe even eckstein . . . . .

in any case, the selection of a PH in the 4th inning of a tie game with two outs and 1 man on base is hardly a make-or-break decision.

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not a make/break
But as I mentioned - we'd threatened Perez all night and that was one more good chance to really get to him and put all the pressure on the Mets as we roll into the late innings....

Not neccessarily mad at any of the decisions in particular, but collectively it just looks like LaRussa went on auto-pilot there for awhile and quit playing his beloved stat matchups.

Kinda reminds me of LaRussa saving McGwire (and his balky knee) for late-inning situations that never materialized against the Mets in 2000. Sometimes the most important opportunities or matchups are in the middle innings.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

and now they are going to have to burn
a useful reliever for 2-3 innings, making him unavailable for tomorrow . . . .  probably looper for 2 innings and wainwright or kinney for 1. that should keep all the important guys available for tomorrow . . . . .

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Geez
We just got beat by the pitcher who had the highest ERA ever in a NLCS.

I'm glad it's a blow out however, because if this team has any heart we will be pissed to high heaven tomorrow.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

This loss
can be pinned on the pen, but LaRussa, who so often prides himself on excelent matchups completely blew it tonight.

It's the 6th and both of the long men (Thompson and Hancock) are gone, both of the lefties are gone (Flores and Johnson). Just non-sensical managing to me. The Mets core struggles against lefties and yet LaRussa throws Hancock and Thompson out there. Why did he lift flores for Hancock? It makes no sense. It is always sad when a winnable game is given away by poor managing. I just hope that this does prove the teams undoing tomorrow, when Weaver going on short rest, or in the future, with the pen realizing its own failures.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Well LaRussa
May not be able to save his bullpen, but I am saving my late nights.  To sleep, perchance to dream of a 9-run rally.  Anybody in DC want to watch the game tomorrow, drop me a note.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The bullpen sucks
But I'm saying it, this loss is on the shoulders of one Mr. Tony La Russa.

Thompson should NOT have started the 5th. Flores should have.

Hancock should NOT have started the 6th. Flores should have.

These moves TLR made boggle my mind. I'm headed to bed - night all.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh. Yeah, because
our bullpen NORMALLY pitches the way they have the prior 6 games.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news
We're tied 2-2
This could of happened with one of our good guys going
We got a shot at Glavine on short rest tomorrow
We got a Carp start and Soup start left
Pujols has to wake up sooner or later

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Of Course This Begs
The question, what can we do in the off season so we have a tested and successful group of arms in the bullpen next year?

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Was it worth it
For Jimmy to hit the wall so hard when down by 8? Nice catch.

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget
Despite his failures on 3 days rest, Glavine is a left handed pitcher. We might as well forfeit and hope for Carp and Soup to win the series for us.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Jimmy Ballgame!
Better get started on that improbable comeback, gentlemen...

Sucks that the bullpen is being taxed so heavily here.

by liam on Oct 15, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

A comeback from this
Would go down in the annals of postseason history, for sure.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, I should have done this earlier...
after the bases got cleared, I went and trimmed the playoff beard.  Instantly, we got out of the inning.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope, just cleaned it up.
It was trying to creep down my neck, and it was just annoying me.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I changed shirts too.
And Jimmy hits a homer.  We may not be done yet.

/considers cracking a cold, frosty Budweiser.

Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get why everyone gets so
excited about Glavine on short rest.

I like that Weaver has been doing better...but he still has to pitch on short rest as well. There is some fear that the Mets lefy heavy lineup has seen enough of him to know what he is throwing.

by armitagecard on Oct 15, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ok this next inning
single, single, double, single, pinch hit hr, walk, single, hr

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

tomorrow
I was originally thinking a rainout tomorrow would help the Mets more.  now I'd say that's changed.

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

On his message board, Bernie M didn't sound
wildly optimistic that tomorrow's game would be played because of the weather. While I hate that it would allow Glavine to go on full rest, perhaps Weaver and the pen could use the extra recovery time.

by steve in georgia on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

didn't it seem like he had time to turn around?
there was a moment when i thought "oh, he's gonna rob it"--then a pause, then "oh, he still did the willie mays bit." trying to get a little fire going perhaps.

by brock on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad news
It's gonna rain tomorrow, Glavine will go with full rest
These guys are really good, especially for Puppy Kickers
Weaver is, you lnow, Weaver
Pujols doesn't HAVE to wake up, an may not.
We have to go back to Shet Stadium
Rolen

Not to worry - this is OUR year.

Cards in six.

HEY - Rolen popped up!!

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

please,
someone tell Scott Rolen that this is BASEBAL
not GOLF!!!!!!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
This possible loss does beg some other questions:
  1. Pujols has had a very quiet series. If we are going to win, he is going to need to eventualy wake up. And when I say wake up, I mean make the Mets fear him.
  2. Perez has been decent tonight for the Mets, but he has hardly been dominate. It is sad to see that the team never had the plate diciplin or timly hits to push Perez off the edge, because there were a few times in the early innings where another hit or walk might have made all the difference. Oh and BTW, on TV the crowd is silent. I also think a bit more noise might have helped fray Perez's nerves at the right momement.
  3. Reyes was medicore. La Russa pulled him at the right time. La Russa just followed it up with crazy moves.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, That Pisses Me Off
Spiezio totally gave up on that ball. Sad.

And what a catch, yet another reason Jimmy is my favorite player.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

my favorite too
love the uppercut HRs as well as the catches.

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
Jimmy doesn't really think this is over

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

jimmmmmmmyyyyyy!!!!!!
AND against a lefty, too!

Paying attention, TLR???

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously
he thinks we're going to win this game.

I'm willing to listen to his argument...

It's nice to see someone actually stepping up and putting the team on his back.  This isn't a knock on anyone else, just a compliment to Jimmy.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I was afraid Beltran would rob that
But Jimmy is carrying the weight on his ailing shoulders

by KeepOnRolen on Oct 15, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If we could just get....
Jimmy up to the plate 8 more times tonight...

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, nighty night guys - Cards will lose 12-7
I hope tomorrow's game is played and I hope we knock Glavine around - otherwise, I don't like our chances.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 15, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Sniff Sniff Sniff
I smell a comeback... can you smell it? Can you smell it?

by KeepOnRolen on Oct 15, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

MOLINA!!!!!!
Albert, are you watching this????
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

And then
2 in the 7th, 3 in the 8th, 2 in the 9th to win.

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, guys
Keep.

Hope.

Alive.

Keep.  

Hope.

Alive.

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

now
will they stop talking about what a great job Perez did tonight?  5 runs in 5 2/3?  he "outpitched Reyes"?  really?

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

its always that last
Flippin double when u thought it was outta reach that does it.  I like this game with the Muts at 8

We can still get 'em!  Esp if Rolen takes himself out.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh
Barring a comeback that would go down in history (for sure), at the very least we get to use their bullpen.  We started making Oliver pay for those BS pitches up in the zone a little too late.
Pujols > God

by joker24 on Oct 15, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

it is hugely important....
to scratch and claw and make their bullpen work in this game
win or no win, they need to send up some hitters and make these guys pitch from here on out

weaver hasnt gone deep into many games
but hes been good lately

i want to see the cards put some men on base and give this bullpen more to think about

is that what they look like? psychos? let me tell you something...pyschos dont explode whhen sunlight hits them, no matter how crazy they are

by benstl on Oct 15, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

another question. . .
why are we pitching to Delgado?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Disturbing?
Homeruns vs NY

Jimmy - 2
Molina - 1
Eck - 1
Suppan - 1

Albert - 0

He is going to flat out explode on someone.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Oy vey
Thank you.....even worse.  That can't keep up.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

no
we switched him out with bengie a week ago

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

hhhhmmm
Dunc vs a lefty, Wilson vs a righty.

I'm confused.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I do NOT know how
Bradford hasn't blown his elbow 4 or 5 times.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Billy Beane still wishes he had this guy
How does his right hand not get filthy after an inning?

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we want a rain-out tomorrow?
To rest the pen and Weaver, or will the Cards be hopeless against a rested Glavine?

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Eeek
P-dub doesn't look like the ball's going to go very far even if he does connect.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Lights out inning by the pen
then a 3run blast by al and we are back

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Since he'd have to be the 10th..
...batter of the inning to do that, the Cards would have the lead!!!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 15, 2006 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was Yadi's...
first post-season HR. Way to go Molina!
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on
rally.  rally. rally.  Eck, speez and pujols in the 7th.  

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

worried about who is left on the bench
as far as a comeback goes

in the pen: Kinney, Wainwright (and starters)
on the bench: Bennett, Miles, Rodriguez, Taguchi

by madding on Oct 15, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Looper needs to go two scoreless
And a rally needs to start now.  If they can bat through in the 7th, that would make me a happy Valatan.

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on guys
we can do it. We have done it before and today we're going to do it again. So don't give up and help me cheer this team onto victory!

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

how about our LOOGYs?
They keep dealing. Can't ask more.

Can Braden?

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it me?
or is it that EVERY TIME Looper throws a ball he looks behind him like he didn't plant right?

by glennrwordman on Oct 15, 2006 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I like you
You're crazy.... but I like you.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

please,
what in the name of heaven are we throwing to these guys?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

the thing we really couldn't afford
Was to let the Mut bats wake up

No we have to hope they wear themselves out.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Beltran...
Cards killer.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Delgado...
Cards killer.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Looper...
Cards killer.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Aside from that pitch Beltran creamed
He located well against both of the Carloses.

If he can pitch another two or—ideally—three innings, we'll have gotten out of an ugly game without any of our best relievers having thrown twenty pitches.

Ideally, I suppose he'd pitch two and Wainwright would come in for the save, but I think I'll be spending the rest of this game looking for positives to bring into tomorrow.

by liam on Oct 15, 2006 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

man....
someone mentioned it a couple games ago...but the fact that looper is buried behind Kinney and Wainwright on the bullpen depth ....shows that it wasn't Walt's best signing.  That's a ton of cash for middle reliever who probably isn't even good enough to be a set up man.

by armitagecard on Oct 15, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I Am No "Moneyball" Expert
But when I look at our salaries for next year and who we have signed and how we don't, and it is shaping up to be a pretty interesting off-season.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps the Cards can activate Cody McKay
and let him eat up some innings with the knuckler of his.

by steve in georgia on Oct 15, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

whoa
delgado strikes out!!!
There is a God.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Bah
It's only a TD down now.  Although I am sure we can pull a Rams at the end.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we please
Just once - PLEEEEASE make Beltran hit right-handed? I know tonight it's too late, but please TLR, turn him around once/twice tomorrow!

Where have you gone Mark Mulder?

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch...
that 12th run will probably be the deciding run.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

update on edmonds...
he's now 9th all time in postseason home runs... 9th in xbh's (tied with Mantle)... 10th in RBI's (tied with Tino)...

What a ballplayer. Can only hope they extend him, then put him on the wall.

by guayzimi on Oct 15, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Hall of Famer?
Still think he needs 1 more BIG year to punch his Cooperstown ticket, but his postseason numbers certainly help him.

by Bubs on Oct 15, 2006 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faith, Hope,....
And Budwieser. Its what gets me through games like this
Faith, Hope, and Budweiser 3 things every Cardinal Fan needed this season.

by cyko42 on Oct 15, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

of the
thousand and one ways i saw this game going, this was not one of them. the sleeping giant has now been awoken, the perfect bullpen is now scattered with holes. and now our hopes rest on jeff weaver, who pitched pretty much like crap at home. i hope it does downpour tomorrow.
"Go Crazy, Folks! Go Crazy!"

by erik on Oct 15, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

ok
now it's our turn.

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez gave up 5, Reyes 2
so we're winning, right?

Rally cap went on, and Eck gets hit.
What a night

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch...
When are we going to throw some inside pitches to Beltran or Delgado?

by Yellow Dog on Oct 15, 2006 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I may be Old School, but ...
Whitey would never have been impressed with a starter that can only go 4 innings, and then get pats on the back. Even if he is a rookie.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Eck!
Way to take one for the team.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 15, 2006 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Birds don't have fur
they have feathers

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd think
that the ball needs to be more than 3 inches off the ground to be a strike. But I guess not.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

rain tomorrow?
go with Carp at home on short rest?  then Weaver at Shet?

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

that'd be nice...
considering carp is a much better pitcher in busch than anywhere else. 1.81 home era compared to a 4.70 road era.

by lopey986 on Oct 15, 2006 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

speez
swinging on ball four????
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, How Chessy Is Fox Going to Get
They mention "birds on a bat" and then there are bird sounds in the background. WTF!

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Lessons learned
  1.  One start/month doesn't work for a starter you are relying on... - Reyes = Rusty
  2.  Beltran/Delgado should only face either TJ, RF, Kinney or AW - starting as soon as the bullpen is available
  3.  Keep Looper in the rest of the game.  I like the guy, but as Beltran shows us, at best he is your fourth option out of the pen - if he can't pitch send in Gary Bennett!!!
  4.  Cards offense is battling - gotta love it
  5.  Speez can't play LF on this stage - it is obvious he is uncomfortable there and it will bite us
  6.  At worst we are in NY with Carp and Supp.  Worst case isn't so bad
  7.  Was anyone else yelling obscenities at Joe Buck for repeating over and over how well Olly Perez did?  Last I checked 8+ eras did not represent a "good" night..
Maybe I am just venting...but I think we can learn from this blowout...

 

by Lawless on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

All
is not without hope for future games. The Cards offense has been decent. They still have Kinney and Wainwright in the pen for future games and Johnson and Flores weren't horrible tonight.

If LaRussa is smart in the future with his pen, keeping it down to those 4 plus some decent starts, then the Cards have a shot. But clearly Hancock and Thompson are the last two out of the pen for the Cards.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

that sucks
cause berts going deep

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

speez
swinging on ball four TWICE???
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

sucks
that we have to put our rally caps on in the 7th.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

What
is up with Albert. Is he buckling under the pressure? Are the Mets pitching in really well? Is he just in a slump?

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHA
Always a fair answer to such a question. Though the Cards could sure use some old "godlike" albert.

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let Me Just Say This, Albert is the Man
But why did he swing at that pitch. There was nothing he could do w/ it. Does he just want to go home?

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

we're gonna have to deal with
the "Pujols problem"

and the "Rolen problem"

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

well guys
i'm going to call it a night for posting. I'm going to go curl up in a corner and watch the rest of the game crying.

by tnek5 on Oct 15, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm gonna make some grilled cheese
sandwiches to console myself.
Good night STL.

by GoGoCards on Oct 15, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

3-1 in LCS
hasn't been real good to us

this is much better

no, really, it's better

really, it IS better

ok, :-[

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 15, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose
 "I wanna wish you a Merry Christmas" Feliciano coming in the bottom of the 8th. I smell a comeback.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Game seven
a rematch of tonight????

I thought Suppan would be the pitcher.

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Joe Buck
there's no way you can call Oliver terrific.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

"Oliver Perez was terrific"
says Joe Buck.

Only because they scored 11 runs while he was pitching, Joe.

Really...let's think about this.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

FOX ANNOUNCERS
What in the living, sweet reality are these guys taling about?????
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Its called
fillar guys. With a 12-5 game in the bottom of the 8th, they can talk about whatever they want, because  no one is watching...

by JMedwick on Oct 15, 2006 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Buck
needs to stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

He needs to ride in that helicopter
with that guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

All right.
time to bat around through the order in the eighth.

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

It'll be totally sweet for someone's
win expenctacy added.

The cards now stand at .005

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

.004 now.
there's still a chance!

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I challenge anyone to say
that 0.004 is a number less than or equal to zero

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure you didn't mean
bat and get outs in order?

Time for So to add to his growing legend.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

in what universe
is what perez did tonight a good job
if we get any ....and i mean any pitching at all
we win this easily
is that what they look like? psychos? let me tell you something...pyschos dont explode whhen sunlight hits them, no matter how crazy they are

by benstl on Oct 15, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry, did I misunderstand. . .
these are PROFESSIONAL ball players, right???

Making how many millions per year?

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Somebody w/ More Info
Can explain to me why So doesn't get more playing time. He has speed, good D, and as he has shown here he can hit under pressure. I've always found it strange he doesn't get a lot more playing time.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Because his D has been worse this year
and his offense during the regular season was about 1/4 or less what it is in the postseason.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I Got That
But he didn't get a chance to play day-to-day for any period of time. It takes a pretty special player to be able to produce when you never know when you are going into the game.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players who can't produce when
playing part time don't get to play every day in the majors.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do Mets fans
do the soccer chant?

Does anyone know what's with that?

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not soccer
It's "Jose"

They got it from the White Sox fans who made it up to chant when Valentin played for them.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay
but I thought I've heard it in soccer games too.

Maybe I'm delusional...after tonight, it's a definite possibility.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's a common cadence, so you've heard it
the words/names just vary from team to team and player to player.

by sdrone on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
it seems like I've heard 'Ole' before.

Like in the movie, 'The Replacements'.

Nice way to make an out, Jose. :)

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last time
we won a game 4 in the lcs was in 1996.  Lost in 2000 to the Mets, 2002 to the Giants, 2004 and 5 to the 'stros.  We did win game 5 last year.  You may remember how that one ended.

by chuckb on Oct 15, 2006 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

now that DP was SWEEEETTT!!!!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 15, 2006 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Baserunning mistake by Reyes
Can only mean that an 8 run rally will follow in the bottom of the 9th.

by bailorg on Oct 15, 2006 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.,
the win expectancy finder still says the Cards win probability is nonzero.  

by Valatan on Oct 15, 2006 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic kinda....
I was just rereading some threads from the other night since Game 4 is looking like a loss.

Seems I went over the top in my posts to "Nails" (a Mets fan posting with us and perhaps another Mets fan that was visiting our hangout.)  

Anyway...

I want to apologize to both of them and to any Cardinal fans I embarrassed along the way.  As well as to Lboros.

Here is the thread I am speaking of.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/10/12/221245/71/396#396

My comments perhaps were out of line I can admit.  I just can't see the reason for a Mets fan posting numerous times here with no other reason that trying to stir the pot.  With that said, my comments were, as I said, over the top.  Some of you came to my rescue so thanks.  Trust me, my comments were VERY VERY tongue in cheeck.  It's very hard to detect my sarcasm thru text.

Anyway, I needed to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the drama, trust me I hate it more than you.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

And I didn't mean you Pujols4MVP
I was talking about the dancing ladies in the crowd...

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCarver, for once, had a good line:
"That's the first jitterbug I've ever seen where the lady was wearing a rally cap."
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No no no
I have most likely done that as well my friend.

Losses like this can tend to do that I suppose.

But no, I am 100% sober hehe.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love that our team isn't rolling over
as i've said several times tonight, this is going to be a good series.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Hancock
I just notice that his postseason ERA is 162.00.  That's hilarious, in a bad kind of way.  Now that's called a tough postseason.  Think we'll see him again except for a game like this?

by wildman on Oct 15, 2006 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

If we put up 7 runs...
we could see the vaunted "triple switch."
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 15, 2006 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The Revenge For the Massacre of 2000 ...
will be delayed by a game, it seems. But it will happen. It must.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2006 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

And after all this
I have to go to work tomorrow.

Lousy way to end a weekend...but get 'em tomorrow, boys.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

hooray for hindsight
Okay, so it probably wouldn't have been any worse if Reyes stayed in the game. Oh well.  At least now I can wash my clothes again.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Scary thing is.........
I can EASILY see Glavine pitching like he did game 1.

I can easily NOT see Weaver pitching like he did game 1.

I think everyone has pulled his weight offense wise so far with 2 exceptions.

Albert and Scott

I look to you both to win us game 5.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert and Scotty
have to come through for us to win this series. There's not time like tomorrow to start.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No time
not 'not time'.

I need sleep.

by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 15, 2006 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea
I feel bad saying anything about Albert.  I mean we aren't even here in the NLCS without him.  It's like so taboo to bash the best hitter in baseball (and most likely with good reason) but certain players should perform certain ways shouldn't they?  I ask that honestly.

Pujols and Rolen have done next to nothing this series to make a difference.  Albert got a big hit game 2, and Scott made a big defensive play with a 3 run lead in the same game.  I dunno I just look at those "huge clutch chances" and don't see much.

Can someone perhaps give me a deifferent perspective on it?  Am I missing something big?

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

careful
I'd prefer to keep A-rod syndrome out of St. Louis. No, they haven't been themselves. But pujols isn't a savior 162 games a year, it just feels like it sometimes. And Rolen's hurt. We didn't lose this game because of a lack of effort on the part of those two. we lost because of crappy pitching to the best offense in the league.

We're tied 2-2 right now. If they come back, that will just be the advantage we need to push us over the next hump. if not, we're still holding our own for the most part.

by effin fisk on Oct 15, 2006 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
It's just rustrasting to see Beltran and Delgado just dominate Albert and Scotty.  It's not even close.

At the same time pitching plays a big part in that I agree.  

On the bright side, those 2 Mets can't keep that pace up or can our 2 boys keep that lack of production where it is.

Suppan
Taguchi
Molina
Eck
Edmonds x 2

all have homered over Albert and Rolen (combined 0)

On top of that do either of them have an RBI yet?  I don't think they do.  Man, there is no way in hell that can keep up.  

Glavine, beware.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 15, 2006 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Tend to Agree With You
Hard to harp on Albert. I mean he is the best player in baseball. But this is a time where we need him to step up. I have a lot more to say about Rolen. We're paying him for his glove and BAT. And he has pretty much done nothing. They both need to step-up ASAP.

But there is a little part of me that thinks Albert carried this team most of the year, it is now time for others (like Rolen) to step up and help him. And I feel like more then a few have.

But of course we need more help if we're going to win this series.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, you are missing something big
no hitter can perform on cue; none can bat 1.000, or even .500. a player who comes through 1/3 of the time with the game / series on the line is one of the all-time greats.

i agree that pujols hasn't looked good in this series; he's chasing pitches out of the zone, and he's trying to pull every pitch. needs to be more selective and stay back more, go up the middle and the other way, use the whole field.

for this postseason (now 8 games old) he's hitting .310 / .406 / .517 ---- a .923 OPS against the two best pitching staffs in the league. if that's a "slump," he's still a mighty good hitter . . . . .

maybe he won't disappoint you tomorrow.

by lboros on Oct 15, 2006 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Want to Be Clear I Am Not
coming down on Albert. Rolen yes, Albert no. What you said worries me the most. "he's chasing pitches out of the zone, and he's trying to pull every pitch. needs to be more selective and stay back more, go up the middle and the other way, use the whole field."

I can't ever remember a time, even in his rookie year, where he looked like this. He is so darn good I guess it is glaring when he isn't playing like we used to him playing. That is all.

by tommyguniii on Oct 15, 2006 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a off the wall guess
I bet Albert had the lowest amount of opposite field extra base hits and HR's of his short career.

Just a crazy hunch.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 16, 2006 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa now... :-)
I never really said he disapponted me.  I was trying to say he is being out shined by Beltran and Delgado.  I went on to say a lot of that is due to pitching.  His numbers are right where I expected them to be to be honest with you.  Tonight he had some bad at bats, woop de do he does that once every 2-3 weeks it seems.  

But at the same time Pujols with 0 HR's and 0 rbi's thru 4 games of the NLCS is not good.  Has he hit with many men on base though?  No he hasn't.  I am not upset with Albert NEARLY as much as I am with Scotty.  It's takes a big mistake for Scott to get a hit now, versus Scott of the past getting s hit off a good pitch.

Jimmy has hit well enough for the Mets to take notice, this I am sure of.  So that 1 hitter ahead and behind him need to step it up from here on out.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 16, 2006 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh
My tone is just terrible sounding tonight, maybe it's because of the loss.

What I am trying so hard to say is this...

It's tiresome seeing Beltran do this to us.  Now on top of it is Delgado.  I am sure soon to come is Wright.  And all we have to look towards doing it back is Albert and Rolen and Edmonds.  Jimmy has done his part.  While I am hoping Scott and Albert still can.

But I am fully aware that the pitching is the biggest thing in the whole scenario.  I don't wanna come off as bashing those guys.  While I admit I think they have not played all that well this post season, I am able to give the Mets pitching the credit they deserve for what they have done at the same time.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 16, 2006 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that
 we were never in this game after the 5th inning but, if you told me we'd be 2-2 going to game 5 w/ Carp going in game 6, I'd take it.  I just wish our pen would've given us a chance to win this game.

by chuckb on Oct 15, 2006 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.
I will be screaming at Tony if Hancock steps foot on the mound again, that's for sure.

by Valatan on Oct 16, 2006 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well
saw the score had a hunch theyd lose and now things seem even, pen used by both teams...Hope mo-mentum hasnt shifted too much...thats why they play the games

by punchinjudy on Oct 16, 2006 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Is Willie Randolph an Idiot?
It was frigin cold out there and he kept his starting 8 in all 9. Does this guy want his starters to get hurt?  What about preventing his subs from getting rusty.

For that alone I think the Cardinals deserve to win the series.

by enoscountry on Oct 16, 2006 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Tomorrow
Mother nature doesn't seem inclined to allow our ballgame tomorrow night.

100% chance of T-storms...

by liam on Oct 16, 2006 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

anybody else...
not able to sleep tonight besides me?

by Matty I on Oct 16, 2006 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, me
It's not losing.  We"re still tied and we have Carp and Soup and blah blah blah

It's judt that it seems like all at once we're back where we were two weeks ago karm-wise - and we worked hard over that time to shake all this and prove we could play with and beat the Mutz.

I'm sure this is harder on us than the team.  And there's something to be said for everyone having a cr*p game on the same night, but damnit they were on the ropes.  Even into the 6th, we were one little rally from putting these guys away for good.  They wouldn't even bother coming out tomorrow.

But, it's back to the drawing board.

What worse, I have to put up with 42 hours (with the rainout) of hearing how the Cards are phonies, how "you'd have to be crazy to think they could win."

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 16, 2006 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bert 'n Scotty
Here's the thing.  I can easily so Puj goin 5-5, 2HR, 7RBI tomorrow.  Well. Maybe not easily, but it's possible.

Does anybody see ANY chance that Rolen will make a meaningful contribution to the offense?  Sit him.  Put everbody back to normal in the OF, Young Dunc in LF, JEd in CF and Jenc in RF, Speezer at 3d, and maybe Rolen can PH in a non-crucial situation.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 16, 2006 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

if we play Mon
and it's cold and wet, as it will inevitably be, watch for TLR sit Bert.  

Guy never gets a day off and, though NOBODY's ahead of me in Pujols idolatry, something just ain't right with El Hombre.  Not just his swing, but the guy's NEVER shot his mouth off like he has in this series.  His "press discipline" is even more fierce than his "plate discipline," but they've both gone AWOL lately.

Most managers wouldn't have to bones to sit an MVP, but Tony might see it as a way to shock him outta the slump.  Plus, as we've seen numerous times this year, the whole team seems to relax when the Big Guy gets an off day and very often that produces a lot of offense.

There's no way I'd do it, but TLR is at least $2 million/yr better at managing than me and he likes heat.  Monday isn't must win for us - as much as we'd like to think so.  It's a must win for the Mutz and maybe Puj needs a night on the bench - and a dramatic @: :3 to boot!  :-)

ps:  Tony manages to win series, not games.  You could see how desperate he was to win tonight.  It was one HE felt we HAD to have.  He didn't want to start Reyes, just didn"t have a choice.  Nobody here argued when he yanked him, and he just couldn't get guys warn fast enough when the dyke was failing in 5 and 6.  But, he had Monday penciled in as a loss all the way, so don't be surprised if Pujols gets "promoted" to PH.

pps:  if we rain out Monday, all bets are off and Puj plays Tuesday.  I think he'll start Carp on short rest at home, with Weaver and Soup to go in Shet for 6/7, though I think it's stupid and Carp'll get shelled, as all Cards not named Gibson do on short rest.

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 16, 2006 1:57 AM EDT reply actions  

UGH
ugly ugly ugly. this game was U G L Y.

I wish Tony would have at least let Anthony start the 5th. No way he does worse than the bullpen did.

Who among us saw the bullpen blowing up the way they did tonight? I almost bought into the hype that they were untouchable. almost.

I am sick of the nyc boys killing our pitchers. the only thing thats going to stop the merry-go-round of doubles and homeruns is for our pitchers to sack up and stop getting burned. how do they go about doing that you ask? simple, do exactly what SUP did saturday night. if all our pitchers are able to do that, no more games like tonight. the question is, can they do that?

I have been one of the loudest voices of benching Rolen. But I do see progress. Problem is what we all want and need to see right now is not progress. its homeruns and rbi doubles. the benching in game 2 woke up his glove. now its up to tony to find out what its going to take to wake up his bat. and then do that right away.

the only thing Pujols has not done is hit home runs and drive in RBI's. Off the top of my head I can think of only two times he has come up with a runner on,and not delivered. mostly he is hitting with the bases empty. getting singles and doubles and not being driven in. thats not his fault. its ECK,Baby Dunc, and Mookie. if they get on, good things will happen. ECK has done better tonight, but Albert went 0-4 tonight and didnt do what he normaly does.

Fact is, Albert is human. and for good reason the mets are scarred to death to give him anything close to the middle, to the middle-in part of the plate. all series long, all they throw him is away, away, away. tonight he got mad and tried to pull everything. hence the 0-4. once he goes back and looks at the video I am sure he will go back to being the godlike force we all know and love. at least I hope so.

so we are tied at 2 each. funny a week ago if you had told me that I would be happy. but not now. I think they blew a golded oppertunity to step on the mets throats and finish them off. unfourtunity, the baseball gods do not like this team this year, so they gave the mets two left handed pitchers to stop the bleeding. and thats what they did. perez held us back far enough till our bullpen blew up. and once they did, it was june all over again for the Cardinals. just like june, once the Cardinals gave up the big inning, it was o v e r.

now we all need to hope the rain passes and glavin gives it up just like our bullpen did tonight. oh yah, dream weaver goes 6 and only gives up 3. cross your fingers. pray to whatever god you belive in. its going to get awful bumpy around these parts before it gets any better.

but if glavin is on, everyone knows we are      d o n e. we go back to the nyc down 3-2. with all hopes on Carp to save us. honestly I dont see that happening. Carp has been less than Carp like for a month now. and we need Cy Young Carp now. not wornout and tired Carp. I dont think its his fault we need him so much and lean on him so much. we do the same to Albert,and look what happens when he goes a week without a home run or rbi. he gets ripped up and down. Carp has pitched so much the past two seasons. I just think his golden arm is tired. we need to give him a break, but we cant.

so once again we face a tough lefty, and dream weaver is our pitcher in which the season hangs on. twice now he has come threw so I will not do anything to stop that mojo from happening again. but I dont care if he throws a 1 hitter for 9. if glavin is on. there is nothing weaver can do. history has shown we cant hit lefties. and dangit if history didnt repete itself tonight. sure we got 5 runs on olie. but everyone knows with that junk he was tossing tonight, any other team would have knocked him out in the 2nd inning. but not this team. and not this year.

so get some sleep boys, and pray glavin just doesnt have it. i'm going to try and get some sleep tonight myself and hope tonights aboration, does not become a pattern.

good night veb. see ya'll tomorrow.

GO CARDINALS

From THE MAN, to Gibby, to The Wizard, to Albert the Great. Cardinal Tradition lives on.

by gdm426 on Oct 16, 2006 4:03 AM EDT reply actions  

One silver lining
and something that the fox announcers refused to point out whne contrasting the before/after wrt the bullpen: TLR managed to save Wanwright and Kinney last night.  Let's hope that they're the only relievers needed, except for perhaps Thompson/Flores.

Come on, Weaver.  Get us through the night.

by Valatan on Oct 16, 2006 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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