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make mine the phillies

baseball prospectus has st louis, atlanta, and san diego as locks for the playoffs, with only the wild card in doubt. and not by much: BP gives houston a 65 pct chance of winning that honor, with philadelphia at 24 percent and the marlins just 8 percent. why the pronounced houston lean in such a tight race? just a matter of scheduling; the astros play just 2 games vs winning teams down the stretch (at st louis next week), while the marlins have 9 (including 6 against the braves) and the phillies have 6. but not so fast: houston plays 9 of its final 13 on the road, where they have played .417 ball this season. the baseball prospectus computer has the astros going 7-6 down the stretch, with the phillies and marlins each going 6-6 . . . . . such is what passes for a "pennant race" in the wild-card era.

the cards' last chance to affect the outcome comes next tuesday and wednesday, when the astros make their final reg-season trip to busch stadium. the likely starting pitchers: morris and carpenter for the cards, roy oswalt and brandon backe for the 'stros. there's a persuasive case to be made that cardinal fans should be rooting for houston in the wild-card contest, but i'd just as soon see stl eliminate those guys before october. they have both a better rotation and a better bullpen than the cardinals; we have owned that team all year, but it will mean nothing come the nlcs.

so i am rooting for the phillies, who have been outhomered by their opponents this year 149-174. they rely heavily on the stolen base and the walk, both of which the cardinals lead the n.l. in preventing. and their top left-handed bat, bobby abreu, is 2 for 15 lifetime against ray king with 0 hr and 6 strikeouts . . . . for good measure he's 0 for 3 against randy flores with 2 ks. the phils' bullpen is weak, their rotation weaker. they're a tougher 1st-round opponent than san diego, but not drastically so -- and if facing them is the price of avoiding another confrontation w houston, i'll gladly pay it.

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Glad to see...
someone feels the same way I do.  You've got the stats to back it up, of course, and I was just going with my gut.  But Clemens, Petite, Oswalt and Backe are a pretty tough rotation to face in the anything-can-happen playoffs, especially when backed by Lidge.  Houston's the only NL team I really don't want to see.

by cyclone on Sep 19, 2005 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hhhmmmmnnnn....
those Philly numbers and tendencies aren't what I expected. and you're right about previous performances not meaning much in playoffs. I think you guys may be on to something...

by rockin redbird on Sep 19, 2005 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Philly
...although if we want to be champs we should be able to take on all comers, and with some swagger.

by salvomania on Sep 19, 2005 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I gotta say
that the trio of Abreu, Burrell, and Utley scare me a bit; that and the fact that they took 4 of 6 during the season. But, of the top three Wc contenders, they have the weakest starting rotation, so the boys could tee off on them if everything falls into place.

by cardsrul on Sep 19, 2005 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My only concern...
is that in the bandbox of a stadium, crazy things happen.  Then again, I guess the same could be said about the juice box, the park formerly known as corporate crook park.  

by Brock20 on Sep 20, 2005 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last year we could have knocked the 'Stros out
but lost 5 of 6 in the final two weeks and almost came to regret it.  

But do we fear the Astros more than the Braves?  A houston wild card means a Braves-Houston match-up in the first round.  Any other wild card means Braves-Padres and a likely trip to Atlanta in the NLCS.

by Mad Lithuanian on Sep 20, 2005 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm not so sure
the braves will beat the pads --- five-game series, anything's possible. but if the choice is betw houston and atlanta, i'll take my chances vs the braves; weaker starting pitching, far weaker bullpen. better lineup than hou, but in my eyes it still comes down to the arms.

by lboros on Sep 20, 2005 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a mistake
to consider the question as an option between Houston and Philadelphia.  Rather, the option, as far as the Cardinals are concerned, is between San Diego and Philadelphia.  Then, in the second round, the option is between the Braves and any team that plausibly might beat the Braves in the NLDS, i.e. Houston.  

I don't have to disagree with LBoros regarding whether the 'Stros would be a tougher opponent than the Phillies.  That's not the option.  Teams from the same division cannot meet in the NLDS.  Rather, the question is whether the Cards want the Padres in the first round, or whether they want the Phillies/Marlins.  

I know who I'd choose.  And then, if the Astros knock off the Braves for the second year in a row--that's great.  I rather face the Astros than the Braves.  

But I'm open to persuasion on the matter.  Hey LBoros, what's your assessment of Houston vis a vis the Braves?

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Sep 20, 2005 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your point is well taken
but i'd still rather face the phillies. san diego has a bona fide ace starter and a very tough bullpen; the phillies don't have a single shutdown pitcher except billy wagner.

by lboros on Sep 20, 2005 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the thing about
the Braves is their decent combo of starting pitchers and hitting. Guys like Jones and Jones can really take you apart, if their clutch which is more of a ? with Andruw, in a time of year where power hitting is increasingly important. Smoltz in their starting rotation makes them a much better team than the Braves of OCT 04. (Jaret Wright against Clemens in the playoffs, are you on drugs?) Hudson has been mediocre down the strech, but he can't be counted out at all. No other potential opponet is as well balanced as the Braves.

by VanRam on Sep 20, 2005 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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