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Game 111 Open Thread: August 7, 2005

when jason marquis was left in for 132 pitches in a 2-1 loss to the padres on july 27, a few of you called la russa on it -- ie, with jason at 100 pitches through 8 innings, and the bullpen well-rested, you thought it was a mistake to send him back out there for the 9th, in which marquis yielded a walkoff single to robert fick. at that time i didn't think it was such a terrible move by tony, but you guys were right: in his two starts since that game, marquis' velocity has been down significantly. i went back and looked at his last several outings on mlb.tv (which archives the broadcasts). in the game vs san diego he was hitting 93, 94 on the gun with his fastball, still at 90-91 in the late innings. but monday night against florida he topped out at 89 and was consistently at 87-88; then yesterday he was consistently at 86-67, only hit 89 for one pitch. the pitch andruw jones spanked for a grand-slam was an 85 mph fastball. . . .

i went back and looked at a few earlier starts just to make sure -- it seemed to me that jason always used to top 90 with his fastball, and indeed he routinely did hit 93-94 until the last couple of starts. even on july 21, in a sweltering day game at busch, marquis -- though not pitching well and obviously uncomfortable in the heat -- was getting it up there at 91 all afternoon.

not only has his velocity been down in both of these last two starts, but so has jason's stamina -- he's hit a wall in the 6th inning both times out, after only 80 pitches on monday and about 60 yesterday. it is only two starts, and there may be some other explanation for it -- but in his determination to get marquis win #10 that night in san diego, la russa may have committed a serious blunder. we'll learn more next time jason throws -- next thursday afternoon at wrigley field. here's hoping the wind is blowing in . . . .

it was nice to see terry pendleton taking down the countdown card yesterday (tag-teaming with buck o'neill). TP has always been one of my favorites; indeed, he's the main reason i became an admirer of the braves in the early 1990s. incredibly smart, even-keeled player -- quiet but hard-nosed, never a hot dog, never intimidated. i believe pendleton was one of the wellsprings of the braves' remarkable consistency and professionalism through the 1990s. when he signed with the braves in 1991 they were coming off a last-place finish. they were talented but young; pendleton taught them how to win. he was named nl mvp that year as much for his leadership as for his statistics; the braves claimed the first of their 14 consecutive nl east crowns and have never looked back. pendleton left the team after 1994 and bounced around a few more years, rejoined the franchise as a coach several years ago; but his influence and approach, i believe, have been passed down through the successive generations of atlanta's long-running juggernaut.

i've always thought his limited availability in the 1987 world series (he couldn't swing the bat right-handed due to injury) cost the cardinals the series . . . . anyway, all my affection to you TP. great player, great person.


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You're spot on as far as Marquis goes.  The good of your analysis would be if Tony realizes it and lets him pitch 5 and then pulls him regardless of the score on Thursday.

Now is the absolute critical time to get some of our starters some rest.  I swear to all that is holy in baseball, if David Eckstein is not given the day off Sunday, there is going to be hell to pay - I love him, but he needs some rest if he's going to be 100% in October.  Nunez or Luna can play short at least once a week the rest of the year, and possibly twice a week on occasion if we're facing a particular pitcher that's been tough on Eckstein.

by STLEdge on Aug 7, 2005 5:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Alternately,
why not play with the rosters a little, and give Anthony Reyes or Kevin Jarvis a start in the bigs to give Marquis (and the rest of the rotation) a little extra rest, and then send whichever one of them back down afterward?  They've both been owing AAA opposition, and I don't see how it'd hurt to expose them a little to major league opposition (though I guess adding them to the 40 man might be a problem)

by Valatan on Aug 7, 2005 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Err...
I withdraw my previous comment re: Eckstein

by STLEdge on Aug 7, 2005 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now
would be the time for TLR to pull out a couple of his bullpen starts. Maybe start Thompson or Al Reyes, and let them go 3,4 innings. I know, in the past, he's done it because of injuries, but this time, it may be necessary to do so for the health of his starters.

by cardsrul on Aug 7, 2005 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Per the P-D...
TLR is looking to rest his starters over the next couple of weeks. Here's the link: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/CEB9C357A8AABE718625705700175E0F ?OpenDocument

by cardsrul on Aug 8, 2005 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap...
the link isn't working. Let's try this one:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/cards

Scroll down a wee bit to get the story.

by cardsrul on Aug 8, 2005 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

anbody watching this?
it is maddening --- we keep hitting the ball hard, getting guys on base, but can't score

i imagine it's how other teams feel after mulder beats them . . . .

by lboros on Aug 7, 2005 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy shit!
sorry for the expletive, but...OH MY!

by cardsrul on Aug 7, 2005 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I've been talking about!
This is the kind of win that made last year's team so magical...

by Mad Lithuanian on Aug 7, 2005 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

ZOMG POWER!
How many teams have fear struck in their hearts by...

Nunez, Taguchi, Luna, Seabol, Eckstein (GRAND SLAMMEH!)?????

SWEET!

by SirVLCIV on Aug 7, 2005 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

he went up there to swing the bat
not to work the count. looking for a fastball he could drive, and damned if he didn't get one. smart, sweet piece of hitting. that was looking like a loss, and a very tough one to swallow

by lboros on Aug 7, 2005 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Eckstein
Starting to look as if he's the heart and soul of this team.
matty fred is a weblog.

by matty fred on Aug 7, 2005 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

i am so glad
tlr didnt give eck the day off...

by cardsrul on Aug 7, 2005 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

and i'm so glad
luna didn't get that damn bunt down in the 9th.  you're down two runs, you have three outs left --- don't give one away. absolutely hate that play. but it all worked out . . . .

by lboros on Aug 7, 2005 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

R&R
Why not let the kids in Memphis come up for a start or two? Looks like Matty Mo could use a little rest too.

by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 7, 2005 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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