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Game 131 Open Thread: August 28, 2005

this morning's boston globe asks: "Do you ever find yourself secretly wishing the Red Sox had lost last October?" and i'm thinking what a stupid question, of course i do -- and not so secretly. but reading on i find, to my surprise, that the question is directed not at me but at the cult of the red stocking. here's a whiff of the article:

Before 2004, the basic Red Sox mode was that of tragedy. ''The Sox remind us that life is a trial; that it raises hopes only to crush them cruelly; that it ends badly," wrote Rand Richards Cooper last summer in a brilliant essay in Commonweal. . . . ''By now Red Sox suffering surpasses an individual human life span. It is a cathedral of loss and pain. It is holy."

But if this suffering no longer surpasses a human life span--if, in fact, it is no longer suffering--is it any longer holy?

gack. sorry to lay that tripe on you 1st thing sunday morning, but it flew across the desk and i sure as hell wasn't going to hold onto it a second longer than necessary. let's just say this: it would be in keeping with the generous nature of the stl franchise if we play the sox again this october and restore the sense of tragedy that's been missing from new england's self-image since last autumn.

as for our own sense of tragedy, i hope it departed for good with jason marquis' two-hit shutout yesterday, ending that tortured pitcher's quarrel with win #10. we all knew he had it in him; indeed, he pitched nearly as well in at least two of his losses during the long winless streak. the big diff'nce yesterday, as danup points out, is that he threw strikes -- 61 of his 91(!) pitches, and nary a base on balls. he induced 10 swinging strikes and a dozen or so foul balls; guys just weren't making good contact. and if jason had had his typical game with the bat, his own hit total would have equaled the nationals'.

so now that jason has reached the blessed double-digit win plateau, we can stop focusing on the minutiae of ev'y outing and ask more pertinent questions, like:

a) do we want him on our playoff roster?
b) do we want him in our rotation next season?

assuming they don't trade him in the next four days, he's got to be on the postseason roster -- he's one of their best hitters off the bench. and i say that completely without sarcasm; it's simply a fact. the better question is whether we want him in the postseason rotation -- and that, in turn, is really a question of: who do we want to start game 4 of a given series, marquis or suppan? before yesterday, the obvious answer was suppan; jason was simply too messed up in the head, and his manager was trying so hard to snap him out of the funk that he prolonged it. but let's just put all that stuff off to the side and pretend it never happened: taking their seasons as a whole, which one profiles as the more trustworthy postseason pitcher? which one is most likely to go 6 innings and keep the game close; which is least likely to lose a game singlehandedly? to the numbers:

marquis suppan
starts 27 26
quality starts 14 14
yielded 5+ er 7 4
went 6+ inn 18 17
went 8+ inn 7 2
went less than 5 inn 4 3

those numbers still say suppan, by a whisker. and yet . . . . on any given day, marquis is capable of pitching like he did yesterday. he yields 1.1 fewer hits per 9 than suppan and 0.6 fewer baserunners; also is slightly less prone to the gopherball. and when you factor in his bat . . . . . in my opinion, it's his spot to lose. at the very worst, it's a toss-up. that makes his five or six remaining starts among the most important games left on the schedule.

as for the second question, next year . . . . well, he's making $3 million this season and can go to arbitration this winter. based on his stats to date he's probably going to get bumped to at least $4.5 million -- and in my mind he's nowhere near worth it. per baseball prospectus, marquis this year has been just 5 runs better than a replacement-level player -- ie, five runs better than adam wainwright or chris gissell. his strikeout rate (4.1 per 9 innings) is easily the worst of his career -- 2.0 k/9 lower than his career mark coming into the season. his batting avg, obp, and slg avgs allowed are all right at his career rates; ditto his walks per 9 and hr per 9. there's no improvement in a single phase of his game. i'd just as soon have the cardinals non-tender the guy, give his spot to wainwright -- who will likely pitch almost as well -- and put the $4 million into signing matt morris or an outfielder. (i'm assuming, by the way, that anthony reyes will take suppan's slot.)

so while i'm very happy for jason -- who has pitched better than his w-l record shows -- i'd be happier still if his shutout yesterday convinces some team to trade us a hitter for him before august 31. jason might -- might -- be marginally better than suppan this october, but there's a much bigger margin in adding a hitter. and you know who might want to take a flyer? the nationals. they're 15-26 since the all-star break, now 5th in the wild-card race and fading. they have some players who could improve our bench and who might be available -- preston wilson, brad wilkerson, and junior spivey among them. nick johnson isn't signed for next year; he'd make a hell of a pinch-hitter and a hell of a world series dh.

c'mon, it's sunday morning and the summer's almost over; let a guy dream . . . .


mulder               halama
15-6, 3.74          1-1, 5.33

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While we're dreaming
It would be interesting to see a fantasy version of Jason's season, with, say, half of the worst games since June wiped out, kind of like taking out your high score in computing your golf handicap. In other words, what would he be capable of without the demons in his head? You could do the same for Suppan. My guess is on form, Marquis is a much better pitcher than Soup-can. Having said that, the fear factor with Jason is just so great right now. Would you want to make book on a game with Jason starting, even against a weaker team?

With respect to next year, I can't say I see two rookie pitchers in the rotation. LaRussa is famous for distrusting youngsters with the mound. I would think one would be about all his constitution could stand. Anybody in the pen who could take that slot? Thompson maybe? (Granted he's a youngster, too, but at least he has some seasoning.)

by Red in Chicago on Aug 28, 2005 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

the official site
is saying Eldred is on the hill today. man, I hope this is just a ploy for Mulder to avoid another day game. the last thing they need is for him to start having chronic neck ailments.

by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2005 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

as for the
red sox fans' "post-championship depression"--I've had two sox fans (actual ones, not Flubfans who bought their 1st sox hat just for the WS) tell me much the same thing, that they've been disappointed their whole lives haven't changed for the better because their team won. Poor babies. Too many Jimmy Fallon/Ben Affleck movies, I guess.

by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2005 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Never seen so many Red Sox hats
in Chicago before. They started popping up about 10 minutes after they won the World Series. Anyone who ever walked through Logan Airport or took the T to Cambridge is suddenly their biggest fan.

Say this about the Scrubs supporters: at least they can't be accused of being fair-weather fans. Bipolar perhaps, but fair-weather, no.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 28, 2005 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not so
sure about that--when I lived in Chi (84-90), I could easily get tix anytime for any game (including Cards games) without paying one cent more than face value. Try that since 03 (tho it really started with the 89 season). And there seem to be an awful lot of empty seats at The Holy Pile Of Bricks in the last couple of weeks, as well--even their announcers have been commenting on it. One more season of Dusty Baker and fan-levels there will be back to pre-03 days. I've also noticed far less Flub gear on my overwhelmingly Chicagoland-based students since school began last week. Another good example is the Flub Blog Army--go down the list and see how many sites have gone idle in the last couple of months. There will always be plenty of die-hards (and them I give some respect), but their massive influx of newbie fans is about over. The "lovable losers" just aren't as cool when they really lose big.

by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2005 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is
all we need...jeez, albert.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

What caused it?
Cardsrul, sorry for the dumb question, but I'm reduced to "watching" the game on Gameday.  -- what led to Albert's ejection?

by cyclone on Aug 28, 2005 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was picked off
but beat the throw to 2nd. ump called him out when the treplay clearly showed he was safe. I've never seen AP so upset. TLR brought in Diaz to play first, btw.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

why diaz?
where's mabry?
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 28, 2005 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

probably
because halama is a lefty. if they get into the nats pen and a righty comes in, i fully expect to see Mabs in there as a defensive replacement.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely a "smal ball" lineup now...
Edmonds must feel like Jack Clark out there

by cyclone on Aug 28, 2005 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add another ...
.. to the cleanup hitter list. Does Marquis own a first-baseman's glove? Keep him tired!
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." - Jim Bouton

by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Aug 28, 2005 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Cal
did a very nice job today. good call by Tony.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

nice outing by eldred
2h 2Ks 1BB in 4 innings...bullpen is holding up their end of the bargain, now its time for the bats to wake up.
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 28, 2005 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

3 innings
i meant.
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 28, 2005 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

halama out
he looked very good, too. here's where we might see mabry come in at 1B.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

walker
might not have been a bad spot to bring him in as a ph. i guess j-rod didnt screw up though.
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 28, 2005 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

nice baserunning!
j-rod finally did something useful on the basepaths
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 28, 2005 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

double steal
might have cost us jimmy..stay tuned

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

seabol in
at 1B in jimmy's place. so in CF, j-rod in left.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

if the nats lose
to this lineup and this group of pitchers . . . . how good can they be feeling about their playoff chances?

by lboros on Aug 28, 2005 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

they haven't
scored since the 5th inning of friday's game...

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Better
Knock on wood, you. ;)

by bellyscratcher on Aug 28, 2005 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was
banging on my desk there in the 9th... :-)

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't have the game on
was jimmy hurt on the double steal?

by lboros on Aug 28, 2005 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

yes...
not sure if it's his knee(looked like he and bennett might've banged knees) or whether it's because bennett landed on him.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

this is
looking like a little league game where everryone on the team gets to play. walker is the only one left who hasn't been in the game yet.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay
I'm ready to call that one of the weirdest games of the year...  good result, though.

by cyclone on Aug 28, 2005 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout dat!
No Larry, no Scotty, no Reggie, no Albert, No Jed, and not even a regular starting pitcher--yet they produce another decisive shutout. They heating up nicely for october. Any word on Jed? He didn't look so good.

by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2005 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

none yet...
i'm listening to the call-in show on kmox.com, so hopefully they'll say something. also, brian walton from the birdhouse is going to be on, and he supposedly has some news. stay tuned, cards fans...

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Jim Ed
banged up his knee, but he said he'll be ok.

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

whew!
hope that's the straight poop.

by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2005 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

brian walton
said he talked to weinberg and edmonds after the game. no wrap or anything on the knee...

by cardsrul on Aug 28, 2005 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay,
No Albert after the 1st inning, replaced by Einar Diaz!!??  No "real" starting pitcher, so Good Old Cal Eldred goes out there to take one for the team... YADIER MOLINA steals TWO bases (so they were the back end of double steals, so what?), Jim Edmonds has to leave the game after banging into the catchers shinguards in the sixth... and the Cardinals win 6-zip????

I saw it... and I still don't believe it!  Pound that Budweiser and get 'em again ta'morra, guys!  (I keep hearing Mike Shannon's voice in the back of my mind, shouting, "BRUMMER'S STEALING HOME!!!"  Some things are not statistically quantifiable....)

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 28, 2005 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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