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Game 57 Open Thread: June 6, 2005


mattmo             wakefield
6-0, 3.81            4-5, 5.03

i never have been a huge fan of interleague play. well, let me rephrase that: i have always considered interleague play a cheap gimmick the owners foisted upon their fans in the wake of the strike. it pollutes the playoff races, and it interjects a misplaced "big-game" mentality into the regular season. we're meant to place great emphasis on this week's series against the boxos and yanks, as if winning them somehow means more than winning a series against, say, the dodgers or the braves. the only "big games" i care about this year are the ones against the cubs; and the next of those is still six weeks off.

there is only one thing that really interests me about this week's irregular matchups: edgar renteria's return to busch stadium. it's a big enough event that this morning's p-d had not just one but two articles on the subject -- both of them urging open arms and a show of appreciation toward a player whose departure injured many feelings in cardinal nation. all spring that chat rooms and sportstalk airwaves, edgar's struggles in boston have been discussed in tones of smirking satisfaction; his pain is bringing a lot of cardinal fans pleasure. even TLR has voiced opinions on the subject, drawing return fire from herr von schilling.

a petty spectacle all around, and one that does not reflect well on the so-called best fans in baseball. and unfortunately we've seen the like before -- long time ago, in 1982, when ex-card ss garry templeton first appeared at busch in a road uniform. templeton spent five and a half seasons as the stl shortstop and was arguably the most exciting one in franchise history up to that point. debuting with the cardinals in 1976 at the age of 20, he hit .305 over the next 5-plus seasons, stole 138 bases, led the league in hits once and triples three times, and appeared on two all-star teams. he had extraordinary range and a rocket arm and phenomenal speed; at the time he left the cardinals he was very well positioned to reach 3,000 career hits -- 911 on the books already at the age of 25.

the kid was a potential hall-of-famer, in other words. but he was dumb and immature, and an obscene gesture directed toward the box seats in late 1981 sealed his doom in st louis. whitey herzog literally banished him from the team for nearly a month, then traded him in the offseason to the padres for ozzie smith. a lot of st louisans hated the trade; smith was a career .231 hitter with absolutely no extra-base pop. but ozzie got off to a fast start in 1982, and so did the cardinals -- by the end of may they were 12 games over .500 and 2.5 games ahead of the field in the nl east. this was heady territory for a city that hadn't whiffed the postseason in fourteen years; our honeymoon with "whiteyball" was in full flower, and particularly with its signature practitioner, osborne earl smith. and we'd thought our old shortstop was a great player? hah! how cheap and unhealthy and childish that ex-infatuation now seemed. that was mere puppy love; this was the real thing. garry was only a boy; ozzie, a real man.

Star-divide

we let them both know it when templeton and the padres came to busch on friday night, may 28, 1982. templeton came up in the top of the first, batting third (and hitting just .246), and we flung ugly boos at him like villagers at a stoning -- likewise the malignant cheers we unleashed when templeton flied out to right to end a 1-2-3 first. ozzie was the very next hitter, leading off the bottom of the first (and hitting .279), and on him we showered adoring cheers of unconditional affection. there was a flash of anticipation when he bounced it to templeton -- maybe he'll boot it! -- then another ovation for ozzie as he trotted back to the dugout. we punished templeton with more boo-bombs when he led off the fourth inning; he smashed one up the middle of the infield, but ozzie laid himself out to his left and gloved the ball, popped up from his belly and threw templeton out by a step. when the ump punched him out, you'd have thought the cards had just won the world series, so delirious and loud and long did we roar our approval. the ovation lasted into the next at-bat and eventually morphed into a chant i had never heard before -- for all i know it was born that very night: oz-zie! oz-zie! oz-zie! the game itself (which the cards led 1-0 at the time) was completely forgotten; things had gotten personal, and we were reveling in it. oz-zie! oz-zie! oz-zie! -- take that, templeton!

the cards won the game 5-2; both shortstops went 0 for 4. the next night templeton reached on a force in the top of the first, stole a base, and scored on a single; he later doubled home a run, and the padres won 4-2. on sunday the padres took a 1-0 lead and held it when lonnie smith drew a walk with one out in the bottom of the fifth. the san diego pitcher, tim lollar, caught him leaning and threw it to first baseman gene richards, who wheeled and fired it to templeton as lonnie bore down on second base. ball and baserunner converged, and something went amiss; the throw struck templeton flush in the face and bounced away into the outfield. smith ended up on 3d base, templeton prone at his position; he left the game and was replaced by mario ramirez.

i wasn't there, so i don't know how the stadium felt. i would imagine there was some initial glee over the misplay and the humiliation of the now-despised templeton; then a hush as it dawned on the crowd that the injury might be serious; and then, i would guess, relieved applause as he walked off the field. must have been a chastening moment for those in attendance -- one moment wishing every ill upon templeton, the next moment horrified to see the wish come true. and to see the pettiness of their hatreds so starkly exposed.

this turned out to be a memorable game for other reasons: the cards tied it at 3-3 with three runs in the 9th, fell behind 5-3 in the top of the 10th, opened the bottom half with a couple of outs, then proceeded to win the game by going single-double-single-hbp-single. a second straight three-run rally and a series win. templeton's hurt proved not to be serious; he started the next day at wrigley and went 3 for 5 with 2 doubles. but he never fulfilled the promise of his stl youth; he regressed as a hitter and batted just .250 in the last ten years of his career. if you had asked me on may 28, 1982, if such would be a fitting trajectory for garry templeton's career, i would have said it was too good for the son of a bitch . . . . . but if you ask me today, i say it's a shame things didn't work out better for him. and a shame, too, that i and the other fans at busch on may 28, 1982, couldn't have welcomed him back with a little more class.

tonight's crowd will have a chance to show edgar that st louis fans really are the best in baseball.

* * * * *
cardnilly previews the series and has edgar on his mind, too; calls this "one of the messiest divorces we've had in recent history from a player." 'nilly will be in the ballpark; when edgar bats, whistle once or twice for me, willya scott? . . . .the birdwatch has an update on that other popular card-nation soap opera, as the rick turns -- rob saw ankiel play in fort wayne and files this report . . . yest'days denver post had some int'sting stuff on larry walker, who comes off as a weary old plowhorse just begging for a merciful bullet to the brain . . . . finally, cub fans are asking each other: do we dare hope? oh, the angst . . .

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I was at that game...
...and what you imagine is right on the money. The silence was deafening. And as I agreed with in a comment over at Cardnilly, I think the best way to express dissatisfaction in this case is to use total silence first. If you're mad at Edgar (which I am), treat him like you've never heard of him, like he didn't really matter, like he's just another Bosox player. THAT will communicate all your frustration without lowering yourself to the level of Bosox fans. I don't expect many to agree and join in the silence, but that's what I plan to do. Meanwhile, here's to Matty Mo silencing the Bosox bats and a whole lotta noise from our own!!

by rockin redbird on Jun 6, 2005 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

silence is golden ---
--- both as a means of venting displeasure at edgar, and of dealing with the boxo bats . . . . thanks for adding your memory to mine, rr. and think of it this way: at least edgar didn't sign with the cubs

by lboros on Jun 6, 2005 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's for sure...
...cause then I would make one classless ass of myself. I'm pretty good at controlling myself in these situations, but when it comes to the Flubs, well, let's just say my efforts at restraint and good taste fail miserably. My belief in taking the high road always ends with Chicago.

by rockin redbird on Jun 6, 2005 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta admit
I'm one of the guys who, earlier in the season, discussed Renteria's troubles in tones of smirking satisfaction.  Not because he left, but of how he left, with the references that equated $$$ to respect.  I find comments like that to be totally self serving -- "It's not my fault I'm leaving, it's management's".  If you leave for the cash, be man enough to say so.  Others have stayed for less $$$ because they appreciated the organization, the town and the fans.  They put a value on those non-monetary rewards and earned the fan's devotion.  

The respect comments still piss me off a bit (C'mon, what ballplayer doesn't understand market size and salary relationships?), but I'm mostly over it, thanks to the Cards' fast start and the play of Eck, Grud, etc.  I guess that's a long way of saying that, had this series happened in April, I would've booed like hell.  But now I like the silence idea.

by cyclone on Jun 6, 2005 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of respect...
or lack thereof, Cedeno was just DL'ed, and Skip Shoemaker was called up. Per the Renteria factor, the reception he will receive at Busch will be chilly, at best. The crowd could always do the "turn your back on the guy" routine, or the "reading the newspaper" schtick. It's light-hearted, but serves the purpose, nonetheless.

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

i still can't understand
the anger directed at edgar. his petulance and insistence on "respect" during the negotations showed that he is intensely insecure; if anything we should feel sorry for him. and i really do think it was all about "respect" (ie, how he wanted the club to treat him) rather than dollars; he wanted the cards to commit to him the same way they did to albert and rolen and morris, and when the cards had to think it over he got his feelings hurt and made an irrational decision to leave the team. edgar acted like a child; but we can be grownups about it. among other things, a warm reception would show him that, in fact, he DID have respect in st louis --- if only he'd been wise enough to see it. whereas a chorus of boos allows him to rationalize his decision: they never accepted me there, so i had to leave . . . . .

maybe it's because i'm raising two small kids right now. so much temptation to respond with anger; but if you do, then they've beat you. rise above, rise above . . . .

by lboros on Jun 6, 2005 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
is that a "Black Flag" reference?  If so, very nice...

by cyclone on Jun 7, 2005 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no anger
towards Edgar at all. He did what he thought was in his best interest, and I respect him for that. It's like I've tried to get convince all the reactionaries over at CCH; baseball is first and foremost a business, and he made a business dfecision. He gave the Cards six very good years, and for that, I'll always be grateful. It's a shame not everyone can see that.

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

you're both right...
...but I still see the whole thing from the perspective "cyclone" wrote above. I have no kids, so I reserve the right to act like one myself every once in awhile. But I won't actively boo the man...as you pointed out, he's not in a Flubs uniform.

by rockin redbird on Jun 6, 2005 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Who Am Watching?
...getting the game on ESPN2 here in humid New York...

Get to watch my man MattyMo...who is due for a dominating game after a couple of "getting by" outings...still, 6-0 is 6-0...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Is 2 second basemen legal?
ESPN has both Renteria and Bellhorn playing second...fire that Graphics guy...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Good 1st...
Great turn on the DP, Matty gets in Ortiz' kitchen and pops him up to left.  Don't miss in there, though...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and...
...two batters in and the Yankees are down 1-0 to the Brewers...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeez...
Albert K's on three pitches...must be a knuckleballer on the mound or something...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, Reggie...
Misplayed that one.  Ramirez hit a pitch that was 6" inside.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

hey word man

great to heart from ya. i can only do a quick drive-by comment --- was very heartened by the respectful reception for edgar. 1st class.

have a matty-mo story to share w you glenn, plus glowing marillion feedback . . . . if you're still watching in the late innings i'll prob'y be back online about the 8th or so. go cards!

by lboros on Jun 6, 2005 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Look Forward to it...
...switching between Cards/Sox and Brews/Yanks.

Talk to you later!

G

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too Damaged...
One run.  Coulda been worse.  That last curve to Mueller hung a bitsky...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Reggie...
...makes up for it a bit.  Little softball line drive swing.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow II
Larry Canada's down to .245.  Yikes.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I Wish
Sutcliffe would shut the f**k up with all the yakking about "Look at Varitek's passion!"  Methinks I detect a serious man-crush.  I mean, I respect Tek, but, Lord...enough!

Reggie has to hold on Larry Canada's sinking liner.  OK, Abe, knock 'em in.

...Abe does it.  Larry to third, first and third, 1 oot.  Pronounced as typed.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Call...
they called it a wilc pitch...I know a knuckler is tough to catch--having done so myself--but that one hit Varitek right in the glove.  His excess passion must have made it bounce out.

Oh; they just changed it to a passed ball.  But a passionate one.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely Perfect
...suicide squeeze by Matty.  Tough pitch, got it done.  Yeah.  I say yeah!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He was Safe.
Three out of three surveys said so...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Balls/Strikes
28 strikes, 9 balls so far for Matty.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Matty...
...has got it all working thus far.  Keep.  It.  Going.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Catch
...by King Albert.  Came away from the stands so cool, no one realized the caught the pop up.

I want to be him when I get younger...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Then Again...
...I changed my stance in softball--weight more radically shifted to my back leg, bat held further back and higher...and now I lead my team in RBI and XBH, so...

...a man can dream...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm watching
on EI, so I'm getting Joe and Al instead of Suckcliffe. I just flipped over to ESPN for a sec. Suckcliffe just said there might be something wrong with Eck's  arm. WTF???

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Eck's Arm
...on a ground ball last half inning, he bounced a throw which Albert snagged.  

There's nothing "wrong" with Eckstein's arm...except that it's Eckstein's arm!!  

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting...
Watching the K of Larry, it looked like the pitch dropped a foot.  Watching the replay, it wasn't that extreme...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on, Yady..
...just a fly ball now...OK, that'll work.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You Know?
The Cardinals are a good baseball team.  In case anyone was wondering!

That was one f**k of a play by Grudz on the SHORTSTOP side of second.  Great stretch by The King as well...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

There Goes That...
Walked Bellhorn in front of Renteria/Ortiz/Manny.  Here's the crux of the game...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

YES!!!!
Another double play!  Yes!!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Smart Play...
...Larry tags on a fly to Manny, who has a tendency to straggle after fly balls...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Mantei
14 walks in 17 1/3...yikes.

Mantei must be a Japanese words meaning "Free Pass."

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

big inning
for matty here. he's looking sharp so far(knock on wood)

Edit...nice play by Walker..wow

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I Think...
...he got a leeeetle lucky on the pitches to Ramirez and Nixon.

This should be it.  I'll take 7 inns, 4 hits.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great.
All right, Matty!

7 innings.
4 hits.
1 run.
1 walk.

Every.  Time.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Matt has only thrown
80 pitches so far. Lookin' good.

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...
...whaddya think?  Second half of the Sox order coming up, let it ride?

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

with those runs
he should

of course, his batting for himself make sthat clear

by Valatan on Jun 6, 2005 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off Topic...
Yankees load the bases with no one out in a 3-3 game...and get nada.

Life can be so beautiful...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

...of course
8 innings
4 hits
1 run...

is even better!!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Justice? Irony?
Edgar makes a two-out error, and his replacement, Eckstein, triples in two, and the rout is on...

Now, let's have Matty shut 'em down 1-2-3, so I can sleep!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

let's just hope
running the bases didn't sap matty's strength. i would love to see him finish this game.

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I Thought
...the same thing.  T'ank Gott there wasn't a play at the plate!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Guess
Boos are louder than claps...poor Edgar.

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Edgar
Just fouled off two nasty pitches.  And Matty overthrew the 1-2 pitch.  93 MPH.  Think he wants it?

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

97
on the gun in the 9th? wow

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

YEE-HA!
Complete game, 4-hitter, 7 and oh on the year.  

Lovely, just lovely.  Got tears, I tells ya'!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

What a sweet game
for Matt. I do believe he's back...

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm Looking Forward
...to LaRussa choosing him to start the All-Star game!!

(OK, there are others who have better numbers--Pedro, Clemens--but really--who's a better story?)

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, LBoros!
...the 8th inning is long gone!  Did you mean tomorrow night?

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
100%. This is the Matty Mo of old. Like I said after the game in Colorado, I've never seen him more determined.

by cardsrul on Jun 6, 2005 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

It Seems...
...he can win ugly (Colorado), or strike out a lot of guys (Mets, Nats, Braves) or just have hitters giving his D lots of pretty easy chances (tonight).

I'll be interested to see as the years go on, if he has more dominant games--you know, 7 innings, 2 hits, 10 K's--and if pitching through the pain (bless him) last year means that he won't break down, since he's still used to going 33-35 starts.

This could be a beautiful thing; in some ways, and it might sound weird to say about someone who won 15 games last year, but he should be considered a candidate for Comeback Player of the Year.  He won't, but perhaps he should...

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

determined
he is, cardsrul. as i put it below, his force of will is palpable. he could be downright scary come september / october.

by lboros on Jun 6, 2005 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Fearless Prediction
It's the third inning in L.A., and I will predict that Jeremy Bonderman will no-hit the Dodgers tonight...why the hell not!!

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha!
...and IMMEDIATELY Repko homers!

My jinx works (he faked, wildly).

by glennrwordman on Jun 6, 2005 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

payback (small but we'll take it)!
well, it wasn't a WS game, but it was sweet. Who woulda thunk last year that Matty Mo would be the bringer of the fire? Just like that first gNats game, his confidence seemed to get the whole team going. So many highlights--Matty Mo complete game, Edgar looking sad and ineffective, a flummoxed Bosox lineup, a decisive Cardinal win, and the Flubs even dropped back to 6.5. Life is good tonight!!

by rockin redbird on Jun 6, 2005 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

and here i come
straggling in long after the fact --- victm of not one but two slumber-proof kidz. i did manage to catch a lot of this game, tho not w access to my box. morris ---- does he not have the look of a guy who is ready for his closeup? the kiles are in the house -- matt is nails. the sox are in town for a rematch --- nails again. his force of will is palpable, and that's an incredibly good thing to have on your side (just ask the schilling-led sox).

loved the small ball and the opportunism too. i for one took no pleasure in edgar's miseries, but i guess he's a big boy. i was glad the fans did show their appreciation when he stepped to the plate in the 1st inning ---- an appropriate, even necessary gesture. after that he's fair game i suppose, like any other opposing player.

by lboros on Jun 6, 2005 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

and Walker
looked a bit determined himself. great base-running, sweet play on that hit by little papi..
i think he feels he's been letting the team down lately, and wanted to come out firing.

by cardsrul on Jun 7, 2005 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm with you
on Morris. I love the way he's bearing down this year, as opposed to last year. The fact that he hit 97 on the gun in the 8th inning shows me he might just have his stuff back.

by cardsrul on Jun 7, 2005 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

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