Game 136 Open Thread: 6 September, 2007
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GAME TIME 7:10 CDT
As I stated in today's morning post, I strongly believe that this team is far more dependent on Mulder to be successful than it was when it traded for him in 2005. If this team is going to stay in the tick of things, and especially if it hopes to compete during the postseason, it needs Mulder to step up and to compete. That makes this game more exciting than any September pairing against the Pirates deserve to be. There's nothing too interesting in the batter vs. pitcher matchups, other than the fact that Marky has just absolutely owned Jason Bay in a pretty signifcant sample size of 20 AB.I won't get a chance to watch this one, but here's helping to a nice outing by Mulder that gives us a nice excuse to send the Baron Von Kippington on a one way trip to the bullpen.
| STL | PIT |
| Eck, SS | Izturis 3B |
| Natural, RF | Bautista, CF |
| Albert, 1B | Sanchez 2B |
| Jimmy E, CF | LaRoche 1B |
| Dunc, LF | Bay, LF |
| Molina, C | Pearce, RF |
| Branyan, 3B | Paulino, C |
| Swamp Gas, P | Wilson, SS |
| Miles, 2B | Armas, Jr., P |
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This feels as exciting
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Will they get it in?
they need to get it in
by jeff abs on Sep 5, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
it was also a commentary on how
Why Branyan again?
I know TLR loves veterans, but how can you knock Ryan out when he has done everything and more asked of him this year...
not sure what you read, but
from what i've seen, ryan is much better defensively at ss or 2b than he is at 3b. and offensively, both branyan and ryan are better than either eck or miles. i'd rather have branyan in as the full time 3b with ryan starting 5-6 days a week split between the two mi spots.
i'm actually quite relieved
Why is it
It's true the downer that Ryan wasn't in the lineup was nothing compaired to not seeing Cairo.
Ryan was reported as having a hurt heel so that might explain why he's not there...as for why we even have to think about Cairo.
Hell I'd say ask Tony but I'm afraid he might tell you.
I like it...
Punchless?
Ryan 2007:
AB AVG OBP SLG OPS
121 .331 .386 .479 .865
Branyan 2007:
AB AVG OBP SLG OPS
137 .204 .317 .474 .791
Ryan is actually slugging HIGHER than Branyan this year in about the same # of ABs. And Ryan's OPS is 74 pts higher. Ryan's got a MUCH higher AVG, MUCH higher OBP, and better speed.
Branyan may be better defensively at 3B, but Ryan is the better hitter so far this year...by a lot.
I agree with those who say Branyan is fine slotted at 3B, but Ryan needs to be in the damn lineup...either at SS or 2B.
Small sample size?
I would not argue...
.004 points is insignificant... especially with a small sample size. Branyan might hit the ball out of the park in any given at-bat and that's an attractive feature when you've already got singles hitters like Miles and Eckstein taking at-bats... not to mention Edmonds' diminished power.
I'm not convinced Ryan can really hit.
by JI on Sep 5, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not leave him in there
If they were really convinced he has the
Plus Branyan has been successful as a guy you can spot start and get some walks & power from. i don't see how mixing the two in could hurt us at this point.
by JI on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Kennedy is kind of a poor example.......
Mulder is a key
Even if the team isn't able to pass the Cubs and Brewers, I'm excited about seeing the new and improved Mark Mulder. We won't see it tonight, or likely, the rest of the regular season but I'm glad to see him back on the mound in a Cardinal uni. Down the stretch, if he just gives us reason to hope he might be good next year, he will have accomplished something!
seriously
Very true
if we see
My expectations are ratcheted DOWN -
The man has to learn how to pitch all over again.
His comment
This might as well...
If he can go 5 with 4ks and <3 ERs I'll be thrilled.
This game
"Hey come and see my one man play. It's Pulp Fiction. My take is that it takes place in this guys mind."
So you're like "Well I liked Pulp Fiction."
and you're thinking the whole time your driving to the Theatre. "Man I don't even know what to hope for."
You're hoping that it's good but at the same time you just don't want anyone to be embarrased.
This game has every possible emotion. Hope, fear, excitement, caring and much more.
haha, weird analogy, but i guess it works
Damnit
I believe he and Wainwright have a
Atleast, I think.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Photos
This Sh1t is for real
I mean, I don't think it really hit me until about 20 minutes ago but if everything breaks our way tonight, you could wake up being the fan of a 1st place ballclub, something that hasn't happened in over 157+ days.
I'll drink to that!
Looks like the heavy stuff...
What do people think? Can I morally afford the points I could get from his start tonight? I think I have about 10-15 minutes to bench him before my roster locks.
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
screw it...
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah hope, ah hope, ah hope...
Youneverknow, but I'm rooting for all I'm worth!
we WILL get the game in tonight
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 5, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting
I can't believe...
In a matter of a few months, they've gone from most reviled team since the '85-'87 Mets to eliciting something close to sympathy.
hold it there
Even when the Brew-Crew or Cubbies beat them, I can't help but smiling at the sadness felt by Berkman or Lidge or Oswalt....or Burke!
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fielder hits a 3 run bomb...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
that went off of Hunter Pence's glove
I just read a study...
And struts like a prick
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it's almost game time
come on Marky Mark. just go 5 or 6 innings of 2 run ball and the O should take care of the rest.
Gameday says warmup...
by PujolsFan4Life5 on Sep 5, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
already got one out in the top of the 1st
A groundball out at that!
here they go
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
great start
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
9 pitch first inning. . . SWEET!
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
wow
wasnt sure you could speak relative anymore
3 ground ball outs
keep your fingers crossed every one.
That's the marky mark
Once again great pickups Walt
Pinero
Branyon
Ryan
Ankiel
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
pointing out the obvious here
I don't mind miles
Mulder needs
by tori akai on Sep 5, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
well crap
Mulder hasn't been awful...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
Mulder
it's his first major league start
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mulder admits
What's he pitching in a game for then?
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
at least he isn't a righthander
the same guys who started "Retire 51"
Jack Wilson
Here we go
well, at least the bleeding stopped
Velocity
Looks like the surgery worked but Mulder is not quite conditioned enough.
Stretch vs Windup
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still encouraged
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
What the heck is Duncan doing out there?
Ugh.
being a below average baseball player...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan
it's at least
Ludwick or Schumaker
Brewers up 10-0 bottom of 4th`
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
if we cant hit tony armas jr AGAIN
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
super unlucky, Yadi
I'm beginning to say that name with the same tone that Jerry Seinfeld uses for 'Newman'
Ha ha
*The one where Newman steals a sample of Jerry's hair, thus getting Jerry busted by his barber. In fact, he was saying "Newman," as I read this.
Armas
OK Marky Mark
man
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nice rip on that single too
In play, no outs
Miles since the Juan accident...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
I have to believe
I'll do you one better
Agreed
i think it was but i'm not sure
make the switch Tony. make the switch.
We need Matty Mo!
Mark Mudler
Mike Maroth
and
Matt Morris!
maybe Mike Mussina? Could we turn Mike MacDougal into a starter?
Our rotation would be MMMMMMMMMM good!
by redbird2006in on Sep 5, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Or..........
Macay McBride DET P
Mark McLemore HOU P
Michael Megrew LAD P
Matt Miller CLE P
Mike Myers CWS P
Michael McNutt FLA P (there is a joke there I am sure)
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 5, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I
Well done sir!
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad inning there
Now Pujols needs to get off the stick and hit one over the wall.
if it wasn't for a few bloop ass hits...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
Nice.
by champion on Sep 5, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
Mulder is doing fine
Cards
Ankiel is great
This poses the question:
And that question poses this question:
What does it say about me if I have two man crushes?
what a terrible time for a bathroom break
Ripped an 0-2 pitch
saweeeet
Mulder showed a good curve in the third
He looks smooth and the velocity may well be there.
If a few more bats than Hobbs can pick it up, we're in this thing.
Meanwhile the stros and the dodgers are just packing it in, no help there.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Is it just me...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Last night
I DO BELIEVE
Rick Ankiel is the anti-Cardinal
If Mulder gets through the 4th
I think Mulder
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
i'm losing faith in Duncans ability
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sure
interestingly
The hardball times has him for 16.4 win shares batting and 1.5 win shares fielding. So there's little evidence I can find to suggest that he actually hurts the team defensively. Let's face it, it was just a single he allowed to fall earlier.
Even if those metrics are poor, I'm sure he adds more offensively than he hurts defensively, probably a lot more. Still, if Ankiel and Duncan add the same offensively, Ankiel will be better overall b/c of his defense.
Ronnie Paulino
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
I still think
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
F%&K
Tony get Welley warming up now. no use to let Marky Mark take a drilling on his first start back.
well, crap
I'm picking up on your sarcasm...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he had improved early in the year
This is not good
Mulder is just not able to get it down
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
yes almost every pitch is up
wheather he needs more innings or something else, i think this was a crap shoot to begin with. they had to see what they had. and now they know. Marky Mark needs more work.
Sweet ballplaying, gentlemen!!!!
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously we are all a little disappointed
Watching on gameday and listening to the radio broadcast it sounds as if Muldar has not been able to throw a pitch in the strike zone past the batters. Sometimes he gets an out on a pitch belt high and over the plate, but all too often those pitches get hammered. I haven't seen many pitches that are either on the corners or aparently have such wicked motion that they are unhittable over the middle of the plate. Comments from those watching on TV?
Nice play by Yaddie to save a run.
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
He is having a hard time keeping the ball down
HOW WAS THAT A STRIKE?
??Question
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
oh God no
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to plot games
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
That would be the only scenario
son of a B%$@H
when did the Cards lose the ability to beat the pirates? didnt they use to be our bitch?
At this point
ehhh
Better options now than then?
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive supported
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not playing much is what hurt Dunc....
A guy still learning to be an OFer does not benefit by that sort of treatment.
Agreed
And just now Edmonds does nothing to help us. Man it's sad how bad he has gotten in the last 2 years at the plate.
Tonight is pretty frustrating.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Even when he costs you runs?
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Little slow there
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotcha....
And trust me, when a fly ball goes to left I immediatly hear the Benny Hill theme song in my head when Duncan is out there. So I'm more with you on this topic than 100% disagreeing with you. :-)
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
HA, Nice Benny Reference!
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank You
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Likewise
We are counting on Maroth to SPLIT a home series with the damn Pirates. Unacceptable really. The Bucs have a new pitcher going tomorrow. I am fairly sure our boys will make him look outstanding and like a potential 20 game winner.
With that said...
I am positive we will win the Central.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It was said a few post before
And don't forget Ludwick. A powerhitter with above average defensive skills. Another strike against Chris.
He only hits for power?
he's 2nd on the team in WPA, Win shares, VORP, and 3rd in WARP1 (among hitters). His OPS is almost 70 pts. higher than Ludwick's. There's something to be said for people who hit for a lot of power, defensive shortcomings notwithstanding.
What was Oquendo thinking there?
Like a vintage wine
He's 11 for his last 50.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm afraid Jimmy is done
I'd sure like to see
He'll smile after his teamates pick it up
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to smile
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
18th on the team in VORP -- offensively
According to fangraphs, he is 10.25 runs BELOW average for the year and has a -0.96 WPA. In other words, he's hurt us more than helped us this year. He is clearly one of the biggest disappointments of the season. He probably shouldn't be starting and, almost certainly, shouldn't be hitting 4th.
Excellent analysis!
Thank you
Yeah
Still, good offense will beat bad defense (at least in LF) every time.
i guarantee you if DUNK wasn't in a slump
not sure what's going on with the dude. but he's deffinalty struggling on both sides of the ball.
we really need DUNK to produce.
desperately.
It's a case of the new toy outshining the old...
Right now, all anyone can talk about is Ankiel, Ankiel, Ankiel. Whenever Duncan does something good, it's ignored. When he does something bad, they pile on him.
outside of
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
The Pirates
Not looking forward to see how many hits/runs they can get off Maroth.
Can people PLEEEAASE stop!
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
I like VORP
but I would like to imagine that the regular contributors would patiently educate someone like MaskedMan (and he sorely needs it) rather than just flipping him off.
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he's doesn't want to be educated
Which reference
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks...
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
After reading such a rational
VORP is a valid and learned concept
Disappointing
The good thing is
vALUE oVER rEPLACEMENT lEVEL
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
Try this
It explains everything.
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You are clearly at the wrong site
it's relevant
How does McRae manage
Hell, I think even Odalis Perez shut us down once.
McRae should be the pitching coach, cause he seems to have a knack of creating a gameplan to turn terrible pitchers into Cy Young.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Wellenmeyer is looking good in his audition
Pick 1
Wells/Maroth/Mulder
Well
That wasn't meant to be a shot at you or your spelling ability, just a joke. I swear, I read incorrect spellings more often than correct spellings on this blog!
shots fired at GDM!
dead on Mr. Redbird.
i cant spell to save my life.
sorry you can't understand
It is the single STUPIDIST stat you can value, which is as hollow as the BA of Molina and Miles.
I ain't on that bandwagon, sorry for you.
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
the tone of your post
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
one other pet peeve
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps if you're going
If you have a well-reasoned critique of VORP as to why it's not a great measure of a player's offensive ability, that might make for a decent argument. But simply calling it the "stupidist" w/o explaining why it's the "stupidist" doesn't add a lot to your critique.
At least
true about Wellemeyer
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
guys, you have YOUR opinions
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
I was prepared to be patient
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we should
Value Over Replacement Poster
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
It's time to let the flame wars die!
who F'ed up the page?
Another reason to run FireFox over IE
I chuckled, shrugged, and then moved on.
This afternoon at work, while rereading yesterday's gameday post for the new comments, I noticed the width of the frame was completely FUBAR thanks to the long string of "!!!!11!1oneonesix" from our newest VORP fan.
I use Mozilla FireFox at home. At work we have to use Internet Explorer.
So there you have it, kids. As if there weren't enough already, here's yet another good reason to use the FireFox browser.
why are my comments flames?
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Learn from me Grasshopper
Honestly, this is a very forgiving forum with lots of thoughtful posters.
Cards vs Pirates, Last 8 Seasons
Take 2 (reformatted)
Someone earlier asked about the Cards owning the Pirates at some point. Here's the win-loss records for our Redbirds versus the Buccos (cribbed from retrosheet.org)
Year W-L (H, A)
2007 8-5 (4-3,4-2) through Tuesday night
2006 9-6 (5-1,4-5)
2005 12-4 (7-3,5-1)
2004 12-5 (5-2,7-3)
2003 10-7 (5-5,5-2)
2002 11-6 (4-3,7-3)
2001 14-3 (8-2,6-1)
2000 8-4 (3-3,5-1)
1999 5-7 (2-4,3-3)
1999 was the last time we finished behind them in the standings. 2007 is jaded by recency (our road trip through Pittsburgh and Washington and this home series). Except for last season, we were rocking in PNC Park.
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks dude
Why would any opposing manager
It's nice to see a Shortstop that doesn't
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
let it go!
Next time I would just suggest explaining why you don't like VORP or whatever rather than just blasting BUT
it's ridiculous to suggest that you're a Cubs fan or anything else just b/c you don't like it.
It's time for everyone to LET IT GO!
When you want to reply to a comment....
Give it a try tomorrow.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 5, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If we lose this game
We really can't afford to lose 3-4 from the Pirates.
I think Tony should strongly consider having Wellemeyer start tomorrow or at least be ready to pitch if Maroth gives up 3 runs early in the game.
Wellemeyer
Wellemeyer for 3 innings
I'm all for a Wellemeyer/Thompson tag-team from here on out.
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
the way we are hitting
through 8 and we haven't even picked up the three runs we dropped in the second. at this rate maroth could throw a 2 hitter, and we could lose.
meanwhile the brewers trashed a pitcher that blanked us last week, and the cubs are crushing the dodgers. close, but no cigar.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Brutal.....!
Some good lines, even though the guy is pretty annoying.
Nice
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2662083
VORP is a statistic
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
i know you're trolling
huh?
Bad night
Looks like we will be back to 2 games out here soon.
Flores
I thought the game was over
I gotta watch another half inning of this crap?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
I'm a little mad we're going with Maroth tomorrow
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
If we don't make the playoffs
crap - 2-4 or 2-5
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, as dreadful as the starting pitching has
I think they should at least pick up the phone and ask him what he wants.......
And I forget to hit the reply to this button and
To paraphrase Fred from 'Dirt Cheap' Liquors
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
the more she drinks the better you look
CHEAP! CHEAP! FUN! FUN!
"and remember, be safe out there."
ah its games like this that make me wish i still drank.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery...
I do agree he would be perfect. He would solve most of their problems. But it's just never going to happen.
ok ok ok
also i feel sorry for some father trying to teach his child how to fill out a scorecard with tonights line-up changes
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
re:ok ok ok
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well that game sucked.
gotta do what ever it takes to get the split tomorrow. Cards can not lose a series to the effing pirates. they just cant.
this time of year
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Actually
i agree we do better against better pitching
which is why, when lboros gave us that great rundown last week of which tough pitchers we would face in the second half of sept., i only half-jokingly suggested he do the same with the crap starters who would shut down our offense a la vanden hurk, albers, now armas again...
is there any other team in baseball that makes so many otherwise-ineffective starters look like flippin' cy young? just once, why can't someone make wells look like an ace? why?
Mulder could have been perfect after the second
but if we can't score, it won't matter.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
The part that
Two steps forward, two steps back
Moving Goals Forward
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Mulder's arm injury
He was already throwing up redflags as a pitcher but most of those were in regards to his back/hip. I wonder if that shot did any real damage to his shoulder.
Tonight, he still wasn't throwing free and easy. He still was herky jerky, but atleast it had better velocity. It wasn't a good start, but with a more than competent LF, Laroche's hit doesn't fall in and Paulino doesn't score when Duncan bobbles Wilson's double.
He was pitching completely to contact, not really missing many bats. He seemed to rush himself and lose his mechanics. He'd reach back and try to throw a fastball by someone and bounce it in the dirt.
Does anyone know what pitches he was throwing today? Curveball and fastball obviously, but was he ever throwing a changeup, slider, splitter, etc?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 6, 2007 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Steroids
Meh
Plus, he seems a bit young to be having steroid break-down issues.
Ahh, the double standard.
6 ER
8 H
1 BB
1 K
No way can that be called good. 9 baserunners in 4 innings. Thats BAD. Just one K while facing ~20 batters. Thats BAD. He wasn't fooling anyone and we were lucky to get the DP.
I don't know why we rushed him back, or why we are russing Maroth back tomorrow.
Neither of them represents an upgrade over Thompson/Reyes today, or likely before the end of the season.
Mulder will likely be better next year. His type of injury isn't one that many people come back from in under 12 months. 18 is more typical.
a couple things
You stat heads love your fringe stats...that's fine, I think they're stupid with the biggest offender of stupid stats being VORP. You can look to your adjustment of Value over replacement level player as an end all stat if you choose. It has nothing to do with what you see is happening and what adjustments are being made on the field in any at bat. Your right to judge thustly and is why I refuse to post on other Cards sites. People can't see without using THEIR metrics to analize what they are seeing. I'm fine with that, please use your stats to justify your analysis...I choose to use BOTH metrics with a heavier dose of what I'm seeing to come to my conclusions...doesn't make me a sCrUBs fan.
by MaskedMan on Sep 6, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
If you don't like VORP
masked man, if us stat geeks annoy you so much
of course, you're free to keep reading and posting if you so choose ---- and you're free to disagree with the stat geeks. but if you express your disagreement as obnoxiously as you did in this thread, then you won't get a courteous reception. you sowed animosity, and you reaped the same; the thread got hostile because you got hostile.
that sort of crap doesn't make this a better site or a better online community.
I think the real problem with Mulder...
He should have been taken out as soon as his velocity started to diminish. His problems were really more of an endurance issue.
IMHO, they should consider going with a 12 man rotation. Wainwright, Piniero, and Looper starting normally. Then for the other 3 games, have Mulder, Wellemeyer, Wells, Reyes, Thompson, Falkenbourg, Maroth, Cavazos and Jimenez throw 2 innings apiece.
Not the real problem
He opened the 4th with 6 straight pitches that didn't miss by much, and that put him in a hole. He came back to just pounding the zone, and it looked like batting practice. For some reason gameday lost the pitch data for the fourth so the review doesn't help much there.
So I didn't think it was an issue of losing velocity on the fastball. He didn't have good command of the curve, and he couldn't get either pitch down. I also didn't think he looked herky jerky either, he just couldn't locate. That's what spring training or extended rehab are for. Unfortunately, we're in September, and still have a shot in this race, and desperately could use an effective Mulder.
The real problem last night is that even if he only gave up 3 runs, which would have made many pre-game prognosticators happy, we would have lost since the bulk of the batting order went 0-fer, again. Hitting every other day is a frustrating way to play .500 ball.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 6, 2007 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions

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