round n round she goes
by lboros on Aug 7, 2007 9:42 AM EDT
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Printi have a minor quibble with bernie's column yesterday, in which he asserts that the cardinal rotation is one of the worst in franchise history. the flaw in that statement is that it assumes the cardinals have a rotation. what they have are rotations, plural --- each cycle through is a little bit different from the preceding one. in early may, after the team settled on brad thompson rather than keisler as a 5th starter, the team went through 4 conseuctive cycles of wainwright / wells / looper / reyes / thompson; a fifth cycle followed the same pattern but omitted thompson (due to an off day). that was a rotation; it lasted until about memorial day. since then the cardinals have moved reyes out of and back into the rotation two times; thompson has yo-yo'd back and forth; wells got dumped, then came back; looper missed a few turns on the dl; maroth and wellemeyer contributed their skills to the endeavor; and now piniero's aboard. a bicycle wheel doesn't have this many spokes.
surprisingly, one contending team has labored along with a rotation that's almost as disorganized as stl's. the yankees have used nearly as many starting pitchers (12) as st louis (13) --- and just as many bad ones. they've received 27 starts from pitchers with a current era of 6.00 or higher; the cardinals have received 22 such starts. (wells's outings no longer count in this category, as his era has come down into the mid-5.00s.) another contender, seattle, has an even worse rotation than new york. the mariners have used only 7 starting pitchers this season, but 3 of them (including jeff weaver) currently have eras of 6.00 or higher. the rotations, statistically:
| IP | ERA | AVG | OBP | SLG | W-L | |||
| cardinals | 600 | 5.46 | .288 | .355 | .455 | 30-50 | ||
| mariners | 628.2 | 5.07 | .294 | .353 | .452 | 37-42 | ||
| yankees | 625.2 | 4.68 | .284 | .342 | .440 | 39-36 |
ironically, the team that has ended up with the rotation profile we all hoped the cardinals could muster is the team they are (ostensibly) chasing, the brewers. milwaukee has 4 starting pitchers with eras hovering around 5.00 --- #4/#5 types --- with an ace at the top holding things together (ben sheets until he got hurt; rookie yovanni gallardo at the moment). that's the formula the cardinals tried to apply this year, but the ingredients just didn't gel. the brewers are 8th in the league in runs allowed and on track to yield 741 runs --- about the figure i guesstimated for the cardinals way back in january, while messing around with PECOTA. (ha ha ha; PECOTA projected the cardinals to have the 2d-best pitching staff in the national league.) milwaukee's rotation is no great shakes, but it's good enough to contend in a weak division.
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busch iii is playing as one the most hr-suppressing parks in the national league this year. in 51 games there this season, the cardinals and their opponents have combined for 79 homers ---- 1.55 per contest --- vs 2.17 hr/game in 58 road games. so the ballpark is quashing hrs by 29 percent so far this year. compare that to the two parks best known for suppressing homers, the padres' petco and the nats' rfk:| hr/g home |
hr/g road |
pct decr |
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|---|---|---|---|
| busch iii | 1.55 | 2.17 | 29 % |
| petco | 1.43 | 1.87 | 31 % |
| rfk | 1.44 | 2.00 | 39 % |
last season busch iii suppressed home-run output by about 14 percent --- not nearly as large an effect as we've so far this year, but not insignificant. the outlines of a trend are beginning to emerge. when we contemplate the abrupt decrease in power from the 2004-05 cardinals to the 2006-07 era, the ballpark has to be taken into account. it's not as big a factor as age / infirmity, but it's probably a strong second. on the flip side, though --- how awful would the 2006-07 pitching staffs look without that ballpark effect?
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G'Mornin!
You know, Larry, your point brings up an interesting tangent in my mind.
IF Bush III is suppressing homeruns, then why push for extreme groundball pitchers?
I was reading the posts last week following one of the entries here, and the commentor (sorry, but I don't remember who you are) noted that a ballpark like Texas's or Cincinnatti's would demand grounball-type pitchers. However, a ballpark that suppresses power by its very existence would not predicate such a necessity, would it?
1 more thing!
If you aren't with Bernie
Not to get into a Bernie-bashfest, because that isn't what this blog is about, but for all his 'The Cardinals are Nixonian about information', he uses 'Kool-Aid drinker' like the current administration used 'freedom hater'.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Bashfest
I don't understand it, because he's a smart guy, a good writer, and one of the more respected media personalities in town. I guess he just enjoys fighting with pre-teens on the internet because nothing good or productive comes of it. Some of the people who post comments in his blog and his forum are way over the top, but he's at least partly to blame for it with the hostile and predictable manner that he reacts.
It's a disappointment. When he started the Extra Points thing, I thought it would have a different tone, but it's just the Pressbox with longer, better thought out entries and an open sewer tainting it all.
Not to participate in a bashfest, though.
His job is to sell papers
I don't agree with the style, but it seems to be working for the guy.
Good Morning Everyone
I had no idea Busch III was suppressing home runs wow hadnt noticed that at all.
Maybe we should bring back Marquis maybe then he wouldnt give up 30 home runs lol.
Bernie
Did anyone see him on the FSN Post game last night?
he was a jerk!
I would much rather see Rick Horton on the post game at least hes more optimistic.
We already know things are bad why would we wanna hear Bernie being a jerk about it?
some call it negativity
negative? or the truth?
Not sure "truth" is the right word...
I vote reality.
by SmashedAtoms on Aug 7, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
You can be a realistic optimist—I consider myself to be one. But there's little more annoying that unrealistic pessimists, people who are too quick to give up, who always are looking for signs the sky is falling, who can't wait to point out how smart they were when they said that bad times would eventually come.
You'd think they would have wised up a bit after last season, when all looked lost (in spite of being in first place in the division) and somehow that group of cast-offs, rookies, and old, broken-down men brought home the first World Series since '82.
This isn't last year and the likelihood of this team closing the gap and winning the central are thin, but it's arrogant to imply that anyone who allows himself to hope for this team to somehow beat those odds or to even play winning baseball down the stretch is a fool cutoff from reality.
I think it's a better way to be than constantly complaining and ragging on the team. This isn't the best Cardinals team we've seen, but these players are in now way unworthy of us as fans.
i think there's not much to argue about here
that's the truth, and nobody seems to be in disagreement about it. at least, i haven't heard anybody argue that bernie has misrepresented the team's prospects.
the disagreement is only about whether, in stating that reality bluntly, bernie was being "negative." that's just a matter of opinion. i didn't think so, but others did --- i think because you (and they) are aggravated by what you describe as unrealistic pessimist. i don't think that description fits bernie, but again --- just my opinion. and i would also make the case that an unrealistic optimist (and i'm not talking about you liam, because i accept your self-definition as a realistic optimist) is no less aggravating than an unrealistic pessimist. bernie came on pretty strong in attacking the unrealistic-optimist view, and that's probably what set people off today. . . .
anyway, the difference of opinion doesn't seem to be about what reality is. it's about the appropriate tone in which to address and discuss that reality.
Agreed
My rant wasn't so much directed at Bernie as it was at my fellow fans bitching and boasting on forums and in blogs. Bernie's job is to write things that will get read. It'd be nice if he'd aspire to Hummelian understatement but that's not his style.
agreed on chris perez
re brendan ryan, i think it's a tossup --- he certainly didn't look overwhelmed when he was up, and it might be argued that the cardinals are a better team with him in the lineup, as opposed to eckstein (who clearly is limited by physical ailments). there's a case to be made that ryan is the better player both in the short term and the long term; i'm not entirely convinced of that yet, but i could be.
re ankiel --- i think he needs every day of development time he can possibly get. let him play out the season in memphis and spend the last 3-4 weeks in st louis.
i do think there could be a taker for eckstein, although the return probably wouldn't be great. if guys like mark loretta, jeff cirillo, and jack wilson are finding homes on contending teams' rosters, then surely somebody would take eckstein. likewise, surely some team out there would consider troy percival or kip wells to be an improvement. out here in denver, the rockies are desperate for pitching of any type, and they have some minor-league depth from which to trade. a farmhand who's useless in their well-stocked system might have some value in our thinner one.
my apologies...
I was meaning, and probably could have explained myself better, was that I liked Bernie's article, and felt it's been a long time coming, and that it's about time somebody said it -- my opinion only. In other words, if it barks like a dog, looks like a dog, smells like a dog, etc... chances are it's not anything else -- or, the reality of it would be: it's a dog.
Don't get me wrong. Past posts in the last few months will show I was/am as optimistic as anyone in my rooting for the Cards (blindly rooting and not worrying until the All Star Break). I was glad of the Carpenter extension, the Edmonds extension, and so forth. I thought last spring that we'd have a pretty competetive team.
Now, with the events that have passed, while I still cheer, I'm also looking to the future. It's obvious that I was mistaken from my thoughts last spring. Many were. This team needs some help in starting pitching, youth, speed, and offense (sure, last night's victory was great to watch, but in our 5 game losing streak, I believe the number of men left on base was around 60 - no link for that, mentioned either by Shannon or Rooney. On top of that, getting singles and base hits are just fine when you string them together, but when you have one or two per inning, it doesn't help much).
Do I agree with everything Bernie said? No... I'm with you and Larry on the Chris Perez mention, as well as Ankiel - he needs as much time as possible to develop (when he does come up, it'd be nice if he stayed a while). Hoffpauir probably still needs time to develop a little more, I could be on the fence with him. And Ryan - call him up and lets give him an extended period to see what he can do.
To end, I'm a huge supporter of the Cardinals, always giving them the benefit of the doubt. I do not constantly complain and rag on the team. However, I do feel this season has reached the point where someone needed to take a step outside the box, look at it objectively (non-biased) and call it like it is. My opinion only. No offense was ever meant to imply that those who think otherwise are foolish.
Perhaps I should refrase my above post. I vote for the objective perspective.
Again, my apologies.
by SmashedAtoms on Aug 7, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
None necessary
Always glad to be in the company of Cardinals fans.
Bernie has credibility
Example: when Bernie warned about clubhouse dissent and Tino Martinez's negative influence back in 2003, the organization jumped all over him. But then over the winter the club moved Tino and let Vina go, and suddenly the clubhouse was a more harmonious place.
He also gave plenty of warning signs before the big La Russa/Rolen dustup last October.
Even though I don't always agree with his opinions, I'm usually pretty confident that they're grounded in something real, unlike so many of the other talking heads out there.
I vote truth too...
I like Horton
He's fun to listen to and does his job well, imho.
His bright and cheery demeanor might turn people off, but it doesn't rub me as some kind of "the Cardinals are still gonna win the WS this year," it's more of a "bad day at the ball park beats a good day at the office" kinda thing.
I will give Horton this...
You know who I miss, Bob Carpenter. I always liked his play by play, even if his color guys have been awful.
Bob Carpenter was bordering on hysteria
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely
"bad day at the ball park beats a good day at the office"
I`ll need to remember that its a good saying.
Bernie's good at what he does
I don't fault him most of the time as he's writing for the general populace and not a bunch of geeks in basements -- he's got a task that I don't think I'd particularly want to take on.
AMEN
I don't disagree with what he says I disagree with the face he puts on it.
He acts like a total snot when hes on air and like hes the only person who knows anything.
I seriously think hes still mad about that fight him and Tony had.
There is a difference between negativity and truth you can tell the truth without being negative about it.
Exactly...
by rockin redbird on Aug 7, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
bernie
but for me, if i wanna read sportwriting, i stick to blogs or BP. not 100%, but there's just so many blowhard sportswriters who do shoddy work, or just inflame issues and beat them to death.
Lotta good stuff on the intartubes
Ballpark Factor for Ks
I assume...
I made it to my 2nd Cards game of the season last night. That place was rocking in the fifth inning!!!
Agreed.
If anything, it seems like Bernie's change in tone has been driven by the Cardinals' unwillingness to deal with criticism from the media this year. There's always a fair (and natural) amount of tension between the ballclub and the media, but the team has been noticeably defensive this year and Bernie, as a result, has been visibly frustrated with the increased difficulty behind doing his job.
To me, it seems like the organization feels that they should deserve a free pass on criticism since they won the World Series last year and, while they may be right up to a point, they seem a little too willing to take advantage of it, in my opinion.
Whether the Cardinals want to own up to it or not, it has been an embarrassing season, on and off the field. And, even though Miklasz has actually went to lengths to defend the team through some of the unfortunate events that have occurred this season (LaRussa's DUI, siding with TLR/Duncan on Reyes), they've still felt the need to be overly defensive because he's balanced those points with valid criticism of the team's effort and lack of activity through the offseason, both of which have directly resulted in a season that I would consider one of the more painful World Series follow-up seasons since the Great Marlins Fire Sale in 1998.
Maybe I'm "drinking the kool-aid", but I understand the frustration.
by The Man in Blak on Aug 7, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernie doesn't really defend TLR/Duncan
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I agree.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2007/5/28/125952/816
I think he's turned the corner a bit recently (these events all happened before the column that you linked), but that doesn't change the fact that he was actually out in front, defending the coach when the controversy started.
by The Man in Blak on Aug 7, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Bernie revisited his original
Bernie is a smart guy who
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 7, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Pitching Depth
The Carpenter injury was a mortal wound, no doubt. But even if he remained healthy, we still would have likely seen this not-so-merry-go-round. You have to assume that at least one member of your rotation will go down to injury, so even if it wasn't our ace we'd still be seeing Thompson, Keisler, etc. Reyes and Wells still would have struggled, opening the door for Wellemeyer, Maroth, et al.
Stepping back in time, you had to assume at least one pitcher would get injured. I think you also had to assume failure from either Looper or Wells, both of whom were clearly "projects." It's clear now that, however those chips fell, we had no Plan B whatsoever.
How does he want to retool though?
2008 Opening Day
Mark Mulder
Adam Wainwright
Anthony Reyes
Maybe
Braden Looper
Brad Thompson
So what FAs does he want the Cardinals to commit to? Carlos Zambrano is off-limits. If he hits FA, the metropolis teams are going to throw tons of cash at him.
So who?
Curt Schilling (41)
Jason Jennings (29)
Koji Uehara (33)
Freddy Garcia (32)
Kenny Rogers (43)
Jon Lieber (38)
Bartolo Colon (35)
Joe Kennedy (29)
Tomo Ohka (32)
John Thomson (34)
Kip Wells (31)
Wade Miller (31)
Livan Hernandez (33)
Randy Wolf (31)
Paul Byrd (37)
Jeff Weaver (31)
Kris Benson (33)
Jaret Wright (32)
David Wells (45)
Eric Milton (32)
Kyle Lohse (29)
Matt Clement (33)
Rodrigo Lopez (32)
Josh Fogg (31)
Byung-Hyun Kim (29)
Odalis Perez (31)
Brett Tomko (35)
Do you see anyone on that list worth paying $8M to? Don't be suprised that if Kip Wells keeps up what he has been doing this last month, to see him get a contract from the Cardinals.
The only other option is acquiring someone via trade. Who is going to trade decent starting pitching in this market? The Kyle Davies, Mike Maroths, Kyle Lohses of the world are the only ones moving.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at that list.
This is of-course the reason the Cards need to be looking beyond 2008 when thinking about their rotation and team. What is wrong with the franchise cannot and will not be fixed in one off-season without a healthy helping of luck and opportunity.
I don't know
It's a good point that the FA market may be thin, but in answer to your question, I think that several of those pitchers, IN THIS MARKET, are worth $8 million. What are the alternatives?
Several of the guys listed are league average starters. It's not sexy, but league average is a lot better than the junk we've been able to scavenge.
But however we piece together next year's roster, we've got to realize that we'll probably give 20% or so of our starts to the 6th, 7th best pitchers at the beginning of the season.
The safety net was
Chris Narveson (injured)
Ryan Franklin
and I believe
Josh Hancock (killed)
Of course, that safety net was to replace the #2 - #5 pitchers, not the best pitcher in the National League over the last 3 years.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Some might disagree with me saying this
If Carpenter doesn't come back healthy (and ace like), the organization could be fubar for a long time.
you're not wrong, AZ
pujols is the best cardinal hitter since musial, ie the last 45 to 50 years.
What?
Johnson, Maddux, Glavin, Clemens, Pedro, he is not.
If you meant "top 5 for the cards" I might have to agree.
Its amazing to think that as good as the Cardinals
Team versus Player
Historically, player sallaries
In fairness to teh Cardinals, they basically gave away two HoFers early in their careers: Steve Carlton and Mordeci (3 finger) Brown. Also Bob Caruthers probably deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
i agree w/ you hardcore
a. mulder
b. unnamed trade-for guy ---- in other circumstances, matt morris would have been the perfect safety-net addition at the trade deadline.
and, as you said, the safety net was designed to protect against the injury / failure of #2 through #5. the only protection for the loss of #1 would have been to sign (ouch) barry zito or jason schmidt . . . . .
If I had to pick two
Jeff Weaver
Wolf would probably cost some cash, but with the season Weaver's having, it would be buy low time again. Of course, if Dave D. isn't back next year, it probably would behoove us to pass on Weaver.
What about Schilling?
And if he's wearing the B-O-B,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 7, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry we'll see more of the same next year
Who on that list is durable?
And if they wanted Joe Kennedy, they could have had him as he was picked up on waivers. Not too many teams with waiver numbers lower than ours.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
waiver claims begin in the league
One year park factors
by Leo on Aug 7, 2007 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Marquis?
Having Marquis and Sosa in the same place
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe weather?
However, weather clearly does vary from year to year, and maybe differences in humidity affect HR frequency. Short of playing in a dome or a humidor, that's an unavoidable location-based factor.
That's what I was thinking, too
Correct me if I'm wrong on the weather. I spend too much time on VEB to also spend it on weather.com. :)
not sure what your point is, leo
what do you find strange about that?
Testy!
One explanation might be the weather, another might be the competition (teams like the Cubs and Pirates haven't hit a whole bunch of HRs in Busch because they don't hit many HRs, period) and yet another might be the fact that the Cards themselves really only have 2 legitimate power threats anyway.
Worth mentioning: Wainwright, Looper and Reyes have each given up more HRs at home than on the road, each in a fairly even split. I haven't looked at the innings, so I don't know what the rates are. Just throwing that out there. Thompson, as we all probably know, has given up a ton more on the road... so apparently the Busch suppression is working for him.
That's not how park factors work
a good discussion of park factors
I stand corrected
Year 1 + Year 2 = more accurate than Year 1 alone
But in any case, for a brand new park in its first year, there's not much data. I think an average of the year 1 and year 2 numbers is going to be a more reliable indicator park value than the year 1 indicator all by itself, just as the average of the rookie year and year 2 numbers for a player are a better indicator than the rookie year numbers alone. This holds true even if the year 2 numbers are similar to the year 1 numbers. Many of us though Chris Duncan was not as good as his rookie year numbers indicated, but the fact that his year 2 numbers are almost as good as his rookie numbers means he likely IS that good, more or less. (One of the few pleasant surprises of this year for Cards fans...)
by psteinx on Aug 7, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The 4 cycle rotation
...fell apart because:
Wells - mechanics went to pot (now fixed)
Looper - shoulder tightness (still not really effective)
Reyes - OPTIONS but still wasn't a world beater
Thompson - Uhh...I still don't know why he got removed from the rotation.
The Thompson thing, he has been bad during stretches, but those usually come after he has been moved back to the pen then back into the rotation.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
The sad thing
Pitching Depth
(Also that comment about Marquis was a joke in case you didn't get it I never wanna see him as a Cardinal again)
Retooling
I would think that if we had one more big bat that the team would be in contention in the central next year. A solid 300-30-100 hitting would go a long way to improving the team. Who that is, well, I don't know...
I agree
I also agree we need a hitter maybe Rolen will get his Shoulder cleaned up and he'll be that hitter we need so badly.
Rolen has looked good lately if his shoulder gets better he will be the Rolen of old hes not washed up hes just been hurt.
A-Rod, anyone? I hear he can still
If they signed A-Rod
A-Rod's a great player, but no homie is worth $36 mill/year.
LOL
But its not impossible I mean A-Rod might want to play with Pujols they are very good friends.
But we would never spend 30 million for a player but if we did I would bow down to the power of WJ.
Having Pujols and A-Rod in the same lineup has been a dream of mine but it`ll never happen.
Well, I've been on the Zambrano bandwagon
All Star game?
I only included Beltran since I think the NY fans will vote him in even if there is a better guy out there. I just can't imagine a pitcher that would want to face that lineup.
Padres Announcer Blasts St. Louis.
by frazerJames on Aug 7, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
Wow!
Thanks, LB for the effort and all the work you do here to make this site not what the Padres' fans have to endure. I say fans b/c it is plural -- 4 different people have added posts this morning.
Padres announcer
HA!
Let's give'em another asswhoopin' tonite. Just for "shits and grins" (as my proud hillbilly ancestors would have said).
by rockin redbird on Aug 7, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabbing a fair ball, though
It's not the worst thing fans do, but two dudes dove over the rail for a fair ball.
Yeah--
by rockin redbird on Aug 7, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when Vasgersian was part of
I always pretended he'd come on and say:
"Hey Vin, did you know I lick my own armpits?"
That's why I became an MVP fan.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, i'm a little torn about this
i guess it just goes show you that even "professional" can be snobby jerks when they are getting their butts handed to them by a team with a poorer record. it's in poor taste,and is shows a lack of intelligence to insult a city & its fans when your team is losing. lets just hope the Cards guys are never caught trashing another city on the air.
indeed
Hey Now--
by rockin redbird on Aug 7, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical of Vasgergian..
He is a minimal talent, but some how he's risen in the baseball world from Milwaukee to San Diego.
However, being a Los Angeles native, he COVETS Vin Scully's job. In fact, I'm told by insiders, the current contract he signed with Cox Communications only allows him to break the contract if a broadcast job open up in the "LA Market." (I'm not talking Angels....)
Of course, that doesn't keep him from insulting Dodgers fans/Cubs fans/Giants fans, etc, etc.
If this is the new generation of baseball announcers, we are NOT in for good times.
I may also add that the behavior you saw at gaslampball is pretty standard. All childish crap.
I gave up posting there, because what's the point of discussion? Intellegent discussion with the skateboarders who run that shop? Impossible..........dude.
Visiting For Bleed Cubbie Blue
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 7, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I love it there`s nothing better in my opinion then Missouri`s 100 degree heat with 1000% humidity.
Actually--
http://www.alhrabosky.com/
(click on 'Media Clips', then 'Photos' for proof).
by rockin redbird on Aug 7, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I read it as this:
Baw: Please respond in a manner that makes your posts fit into comment threads. That way it's easier for everyone to understand what you're referring to and read your comment in the context it was created.
Calhoun: No, I believe it would be best not to associate my replies with the comment I'm replying to.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 7, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO CARES?
WHO CARES????????????????????
I do
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Accident twice?
Unless I have someone else in mind, you actually do it quite a bit.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hardcore
Ok
That's all.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall of Famers
by wannabeGedman on Aug 7, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Haha...
It's 10 posts up
I'm certainly not the arbiter of what does or doesn't belong here -- maybe this should have been in a diary, not sure -- but since you weren't sure if it had been posted, you could have looked before posting it. That way it would have contained the comments on this article to one section and provided a better flow for comments on the daily thread -- on the pitching staff or on Busch III's park factor.
Again, I'm not trying to be a dick here and I hoping I'm not coming across as such, so I apologize if I sound that way. But it's easier to get a good discussion going on the topic(s) of the daily thread if these extraneous posts are combined together when possible.
You being mean? No way!
Anyway back to Baseball.
Byrnes gets extension with Arizona
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0807brynes-ON-CR.html
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know
by Hammondsbird on Aug 7, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrnes
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
we don't have enough to get Quentin
I've loved Quentin since I saw him play in college but I don't think we can get him.
Reyes
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and unless he can play SS next year
man that sucks
from the sound of that article the snakes are dying to trade quentin. since Jimmy's up for a trade, why not start from there and see when things go? or Juan? if there's one position the Cards are not poor in it's outfielders. with DUNK, LUD, Ankiel, SKIPPY, and the list goes on. do we really need Quentin? i dont know a lot about the guy so thats why i ask. do the Cards really need Quentin with all the outfilders they have?
Not now
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 7, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Hater Of Out Machines (Dallas)
Good to see the experts
That would be me
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
From the same chat
Bryan Smith: First 2007 Draftee Relief APP: Jess Todd
First 2007 Drafee GS: David Price
First 2007 Draftee Hit: Brandon Hicks
First 2007 Draftee Home Run: Matt LaPorta
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How good do you think Todd really is though? Also Ankiel is no longer the MiLB leader in HRs he is 1 off the lead.
erik and I both liked him at FutureRedbirds
I think Casey Weathers beats Todd to the majors (because Colorado will move Fuentes or lose him to FA at the end of 2008) but Todd has the stuff to be a late inning reliever, possibly a closer. He's at Batavia right now with fantastic K rates (~30% = 10K/9), low BB rate (6%=2.2BB/9) and he's getting groundballs (57%). This is against questionable opposition in Batavia but Todd's "stuff" is there.
asdrubal cabrera
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/08/cleveland_indians_call_up_infi.html
by all in the cards on Aug 7, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
Lineups
Kennedy 2B
Duncan LF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Reyes P
Miles SS
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Giles
Blum
Cameron
Gonzalez
Greene
Mackowiak
Kouzmanoff
Bard
Peavy
I'm not that upset about Duncan being moved up, simply because with the pitcher batting 8th, he still gets RBI chances.
Bah
"Notes from Dan Kriegshauser of 1380: wellemeyer 25 throws from flat ground, feeling better, thinks he can start a rehab next week...Padres have recalled OF Termel Sledge and optioned P Mike Thompson to AAA...TLR says he wants to give Franklin another day of rest; Izzy can go 2 if needed....Boomer Wells still with Padres... Tony Gwynn spent about 20 minutes signing autographs for fans near the Musial statue (good guy)."
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by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 7, 2007 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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