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Game 107 Open Thread: August 4, 2007--And a Rick rant

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Yet another humiliating thrashing, not much worth discussing. Pineiro seemed OK until the 4th inning and then ran out of gas. I'd have to think Mike Maroth will be released by the time most of you have read this post, or at least something will be done. Aaron Miles out-pitched three guys who have all started games at one point or another, and I have no idea what to make of that other then he serves as an object lesson that when you throw strikes good things usually happen. The mound put Miles almost eye level with each Nat hitter, which had to help. I can make that stupid wisecrack because I'm 5'6".

I'm sick of talking about this current bunch now, so let's talk about Rick Ankiel instead. La Russa has said just a couple days ago that he will be a September call up. AZ and I got into a little debate about what Ankiel can contribute at the major league level, me being an Ankiel groupie while AZ is skeptical, citing his low walk rate. That's fine and all, but 31 homers is more HR's hit by any professional ball player on this continent right now other then Alex Rodriguez, Prince Fielder and...um...Craig Brazell, who doesn't really help my case. Rick has gone yard once in every 12 at bats, a pretty fantastic rate. My argument with AZ was that while Ankiel could stand to take more walks then just 7% of his plate appearances, the dude could be another Dave Kingman, a monster slugger who hit a HR in every 15 at bats in his career but had only a career .302 OBP. Despite that poor OBP, Kingman had a .274 EqA, that's above average. His raw power helped to compensate for his lack of ability to hit for average and draw walks. "Kong" wasn't a world beater despite hitting 442 career homers, but he was for his 16 year career an above average ball player.

Doing some digging around I found it's best not to argue with AZ. He argued that he would make a decent bench player with some power, citing Ryan Ludwick. I stumbled upon Sean Smith's most MLE's for select AAA hitters, and as of 7/31 Chone has Ankiel at 24 homers and a .235/.273/.482 line. It just so happens "Bryan Ludwig" has a .241/.291/.451 line in 176 big league plate appearances with the Cardinals. Game azru.

Despite the translated numbers, I still can hold out hope Ankiel can be like Chris Duncan. We know that Duncan's MLE's never portended the player we enjoy watching now, they type-casted him as pretty mediocre, and look what's happened with that. It's a rarity, I know, but we're talking about Slick Rick here. How many pitchers can go 2 seasons removed from pitching (throwing out 2006 because of injury) and have an isolated power of .300 at AAA? Yeah, he needs to walk more, I get it. Like I said, he's only in his 2nd season as a hitter, so we should not shoe-horn him into a certain category of hitter because of his current plate discipline, IMO. It's not like he can't develop it at the big league level. It's not something you see a lot, but it can happen.

I think we are all telling ourselves this whole "his OBP sucks thing" because let's face it, Ankiel has been a gargantuan disappointment as a pitcher and we don't wanna get wrapped up rooting for again. I wonder that's why we view him with so much skepticism, we're afraid he doesn't have the mental fortitude to hack it at the big league level and we don't wanna jump on the bandwagon again after getting burned back when. People want to move on, they see this whole Ankiel turned hitter thing as a delay from turning the page and forgetting the whole fiasco. I can understand.

Brian Gunn, who could very well be reading this, typed up a nice piece at THT on Ank when he announced his decision to quit pitching and play outfield. He eulogized Ankiel's career as such---

...And let's face it, after Ankiel hangs up his cleats for good, he'll follow a career path not unlike countless Americans before him. I mean, very few of us get paid to follow our dreams. By the time we reach age 25, most of us have already set aside our ball gloves or our guitars or our paintbrushes and we've started looking for more practical ways to settle down, pay the rent, make do. In a very real sense, then, when we mourn for Rick Ankiel we may as well be mourning ourselves.
I think many of us can relate to that, but you know what? I'm rooting for Ankiel because I'm rooting for myself. I'm quickly hurdling towards age 30, 7 years removed from ministry school that I went to in order to learn about working with at risk youth. I dreamed that I would travel the country and preach to kids in juvenile detention centers, and do all kinds of heroic work like setting up after care programs to get kids out of garbage and into the good things I believe their maker intended for their lives. You may find that odd, or not agree with my personal beliefs, but that's besides the point. That's my dream. You know what I do for a living? I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I work in a call center, explaining to jerks and weirdos about how they have to suck it up, fulfill their obligations and pay their insanely expensive leases they have for copiers or stump grinders, or something completely uninteresting like that. The point is I absolutely refuse to just make due, I'm going to do what I believe I was born to do, and though I feel I'm far from it, and I'm not gonna mourn myself just yet. I've had some hard turns in life and things have happened that have set me back, but I'm not giving up. And neither should Ankiel. He's got a pretty real shot, and there's more to baseball then equivalents and projections, these people are human beings that every now and then surprise us by not being the failure or the joe average we had them pegged as. Hopefully, we all can exceed what the expectations of others have pigeon-holed us as. So therefore, I will keep rooting for Rick, because at least judging by all appearances the man was put on this earth to play baseball at the highest level. I wanna see him live that dream.

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by punchinjudy on Aug 5, 2007 2:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His OBP sucks...
Actually, I say Ankiel's OBP sucks because it does, not because I don't want to get my hopes ups again.

More to the point, I think you have it backwards.  The camp that would like to ignore the OBP is the camp that sentimentally roots for a talented pitcher gone haywire.  The camp that points to his below average OBP are just realistic about his ability and his chances.

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Aug 5, 2007 4:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can look at it two ways...
Yes, his OBP isn't good and his K rate is too high.  You can either look at the context of the whole season, or you can look at the fact that he's shown improvement in both facets as the year has went on.

I understand that he is 28, but if you look at it terms of experience...the guy is leading the PCL in HRS in his second full season as a position player.  That is quite a feat.

The optimism, for me, comes from the fact that he already has ++ power, ++throwing arm, +defense, and decent speed.  It's not out of the question, in fact it is likely that he will improve upon his plate discipline.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will see Memphis tomorrow
or later today, technically... hopefully Ankiel is in the lineup.  he fast became one of my favorites with his big rookie season, and then... yikes.  but I've always rooted for him.  I will be really happy when he gets called up probably next month, and I really hope he gets a decent shot at next year's club.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 5, 2007 4:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where are you at?
I'll be down at PGE too.  I'm over a few rows back from the visitors dugout along the 1st base line wearing a cards shirt and cap.  You should pop over and say hello.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, in some ways he's already
succeeded....isn't he leading the PCL in homers?

He's done it after missing an entire season with an injury.

I hope he makes it to the majors as an outfielder, but even if he doesn't he's got quite a story to tell his children.

by jillsinmo on Aug 5, 2007 7:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kong.....uh oh!
The excitement Ank generated at the plate here at the AA level is missed, not to mention some of the spectacular defensive plays he turned in....he hit 21 HRs and drove in 75 split between QC and Springfield in 85 games.

...so its no fluke watching him better his power numbers at AAA this year, the kid can hit...and if he can accomplish what he has so far, he might learn to be more selective and turn pitches he cant hit with power into singles vs. SOs or FOs.

If he wants to "live the dream" and start in the bigs, then he has to know OBP is the weakest link to the next step up and be working on that aspect of his game. Its pretty much up to him?! Injuries may be more a worry for Ank?

ANY talk about Kingman comparisons scares me! He struck out 1,816 times in 1,914 games....the 4th-highest total in history at the time. He was also traded, waived, had his contract sold and was released....all in ONE season. Not to mention sending a dead rat to a reporter and having his best season ever with the Cubs...Yow!

Wait a minute....I can see La Russa (and TWO Duncans) in pinstripes?

by cardschinmusic on Aug 5, 2007 7:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no worries
Ankiel has stuck out in 20% of his at bats in AAA, which is not really that bad.

by erik on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Livin The Dream
Awesome post erik. never give up your dream dude. if that's what you were put on this rock to do. then the good LORD will have you helping those kids sooner rather than later.

dont give up. dont ever give up.

Rick is doing what any one of us would be doing if we could. holding on for dear life to that deam of one day being a star in the majors. but unlike the rest of us, he has the GOD given talent to make that dream a reality. and you know what? one day soon he'll prove all the haters & doubters out there wrong. he will be a star. he has to be.

screw the "lack of options" and call him up NOW!

down with the haters & the doubters!

here's to those who wish Rick well! and those who dont can go to,,,,

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Aug 5, 2007 7:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...in baseball?
...are there actually Ankiel "haters" here?

....."haters" to be "down with"...This is OUR team we're talkin' about here, the Cardinals, right?

"There's no hating in baseball" Jimmie Foxx

by cardschinmusic on Aug 5, 2007 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not call him up?
Should be a roster spot open once Maroth is released...though Tony will undoubtedly want to fill that spot with yet another pitcher.  

But yeah, no downside to calling him up now.  You can keep him up the rest of the year, so no more worries about him not clearing waviers to be sent down or anything (maybe waivers is the wrong term here, but I recall something about how b/c Ankiel was on the original 40 man roster, the Cards risked losing him to another team if they called him up and sent him down again during the year).  

"Well, no one's perfect. Only one guy was ever perfect, Jack, and they nailed him to a tree!"

by lightbulb on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope, you were right on...
If the Cardinals call him up he has to stay up all year or else when they go to send him down they will have to try to pass him through waivers and risk someone else claiming him.

by lopey986 on Aug 5, 2007 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there is a downside...
If he is called up before Sep 8 then the team loses control of him for the '09 due to service time.  If not, they still hold his arbitration rights and he wouldn't be eligible for free agency until AFTER the '09 season.  I'd like to see him in the bigs as much as the next guy, but it's the smart move to wait until the 8th to give him the call.
"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true
however, if Rick Ankiel decides to walk away from the Cardinals after they have given him over $6 M in his career for nearly nothing to go along with the countless '2nd chances', then do they really want a guy like that?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
If the guy comes up and has back to back seasons of 30+HRs and they low-ball him with 3M a year...would you blame him for walking?

We can wait the extra few days to assure we get a good long look at him before we offer any multi-year deal.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyler Johnson
would take Maroth's roster spot.  I don't know where they'll get one for Ankiel before September.

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is the definitely the wrong time
time to call up Ankiel.  Most fans in blogs focus simply on his physicial capabilities but not on the elephant on the room--how will he handle being in the major league spotlight again?  That's the big question and making that transition smoothly for him is far more important than the possible increased hits he could give us in the short-term.  There are enormous expectations attached to Ankiel returning to the big leagues and lots of media attention concerning what he can do for the Cards immediately (both things he's said in interviews makes him nervous).  

Those expectations, I think, are harmful rather than helpful to him.  Look how long it took Ludwick to adjust, and he had been in the majors before as a position player, and he does not seem have any anxiety issues.  Ludwick was a leader in home runs in the minors but did not hit a home run for weeks.  He had to face suspicions--just as Schumaker did--as to whether he really could make the jump and be as productive as he was in the minors.

The last thing I want to do is to push Ankiel into a situation where he feels increased pressure (even though almost everyone else has given up, I think the team still sees themselves as making a last stand in the next few weeks and many people see their jobs on the line).  If the season is lost, then we should bring him up in August when the "contest" is over and when he can adjust without so much media attention and so much emphasis on his coming in and somehow saving the team or being an immediate success.  

You simply can't separate his physical talents from his problematic history of handling the pressures of fan's extremely high expectations and excessive media attention (or circus, from his perspective).  We all want him to succeed.  Why rush him by a few weeks when it might push him into exactly the wrong situation?
 

by nycardfan on Aug 6, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Maroth
St Louis PD says he is expected to go down to Memphis within the next day or two.

by lopey986 on Aug 5, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just do it!
Since the mirage of winning the division that was the Brewer series is obviously over, I would just as soon start getting info on who can help at this level next year...Bring him up!

My interest in Ankiel has more to do with trying to find somebody who can hit the damn ball NOW!  If he fulfills his dreams, then that's a good thing.

Good post, erik...the concept of not giving up, what ever you do, is one that should be taken to heart by all of us.

by tbell61 on Aug 5, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the added reason
in my opinion, for calling up (not only)* Ankiel is that... five of our next six series are against teams trying to get into the playoffs: SD, LA, Milw, Chi, {Fla}, Atl... in other words, a more pressured situation.
Watching Ankiel in September, when more than half of the games don't mean anything to EITHER club (featuring two series with Cincy and Pitt, and one series with Hous)is not only less telling about what the younger guys can really do, but might also turn out to be mis-leading.
Ankiel, specifically, is no pup, with whom it is best to ease him into success breeding success.  Throw him in the fire NOW, since for roughly 15 of the next 18 games the other teams is busting their butt to win.
The same 'truer microscope' value holds true for B Ryan also (at SS).  And while we are at it, why not extend the future building experiment (and I mean NOW) to CF and 2b as well {Rasmus; 'X'}

-- the possible 'loss on waivers' situation re Ankiel has a simple solution: namely, DON'T send him back down, no matter what, even if he K's 12 times in a row.

*? -- does this mean that I am giving up on Encarnacion, Eckstein, Edmonds and Kennedy for next year?  The simple answer is 'yes,' but the more measured answer is... I am certainly willing to consider it... especially if we experiment in the remaining two months with viable options.

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur DR.
Lets end the death rattle and bring on the new Birds.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Aug 5, 2007 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maroth
Since we are on the hook for a PTBNL to the Tigers, I would rather have him work out his issues in Memphis than an outright release.  I don't know why, but I think we can salvage something out of this guy.

by tbell61 on Aug 5, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful...
It's not like he is all the sudden gonna learn to throw the ball any harder than 85, i guess he could get his control back or something but it just seems unlikely. But i do agree, just send him to memphis since we are still on the hook for someone to go to Detroit, might as well just try to do something, teach him how to be the best waterboy ever.

by lopey986 on Aug 5, 2007 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ank, et al
Great post, Erik, it actually got me off my butt and registered with this awesome site.  Let me say, VEB has made this year more than passable.  I live in Portland and watch the Cards via Extra Innings--not money well spent at this point.

On the subject of Ank, I will be attending the Portland game on Tuesday (I hope) and will provide a report.  I'd be more excited to see a Springfield game, but this should be fun--I'm looking forward to seeing Mather and hopefully Perez play (and Ank, of course, if he isn't up by then).

I have to agree with your assertion that given more time, his OBP might improve.  Anyone else, five years younger with this power potential, would be quite the prospect...so, come on, Ricky, for all us thirty-somethings wondering where our dream went, get er done....

by jim of beam on Aug 5, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineup posted
Cardinals
SS Eckstein, David
3B Spiezio, Scott
1B Pujols, Albert
RF Encarnacion, Juan
LF Ludwick, Ryan
CF Edmonds, Jim
C Bennett, Gary
P Wainwright, Adam

No 2nd basemen is posted at the PD site.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting move by LaRussa!
I assume Miles is unavailable after yesterday's inning and he'd rather keep Kennedy fresh in case he has to pitch.  

by Big Red on Aug 5, 2007 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe no second baseman is listed
because,... uh... we don't HAVE one

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha
Miles is batting 9th and playing 2nd base.  Good decision.  With the righty on the mound and Adam Kennedy being the only source of offense last night, let's give him a day off.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NM
Chico is a lefty.  Interesting Edmonds gets the start over Taguchi.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn You!
stole my line!  Good one, BTW!

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In PJ Walter's news
Walters (1-2) allowed two runs on six hits and a walk while striking out two for his first win since being promoted from Class A Advanced Palm Beach. The 22-year-old right-hander went 9-2 with a 2.64 ERA in 15 starts with Class A Quad Cities and Palm Beach.

He put up this line:

IP   H  R  ER  BB  SO  HR  ERA  
7.0  6  2   2   1   2   1  3.50  

 With 10 groundouts to 8 flyouts.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

last night I posted my 'blame' list for '07
to pull out the other side, the good guy list, from my tired brain:

1  Franklin  2.  Pujols  3. Miles (I know that will be controversial)  4. Wainy  5.  Duncan  6.  Yadi  7.  {I can't believe I am saying this} Izzy  8.  Ryan  9.  Ludwick  10  Springer

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Miles more valuable than Duncan to this team??? Please tell me you are joking.

BTW, Yada-dada has an OPS+ of 72 and is quickly turning into a primadona who doesn't run out groundballs.  I think this guy is the most overrated Cardinal since I started watching baseball 20 years ago.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah
That IS Yadi running out grounders. ;)

by mtalken on Aug 5, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ank et al
Thanks Erik.  I've followed this story as everyone else, but never felt a need to be down on Rick if he couldn't hold up after a great rookie season.  That was already a lot accomplished.

A great natural athlete often gets forced into roles, positions or even sports, that they may not best be suited for.  Sometimes they can switch late without much problem, but injury has made this a particularly long haul for Ank.  His great arm could help lead in outfield assists, something we haven't seen jed do for a couple of years now.

I think he could have languished on tlr's bench this summer, or shown off his stuff with a full year in Memphis.  At this point there is very little to be gained by bringing him up until their season ends Sept. 3rd.  Let him have a shot to retain his league lead in hr's and bring him up then.  (Memphis is also trailing their division no thanks to all of the fabulous call-downs from STL.)

Once he has proven he has power, I think he can learn more plate discipline.  I also don't think enc would be dealt before he has accomplished a good April in STL, and any risk of new injury in the spring has passed.  He won't be given RF, but I think he will have a good shot at earning it.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Aug 5, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

about ankiel
arent his numbers comparable to chris duncan's year in triple A when he hit something like 12 homeruns (accept witch more homers)?  i mean, duncan translated into a major league hitter  and has become a lot more patient in the bigs and has matured a lot as a hitter. who's to say that ankiel wont do the same? also, i've always heard that "you dont walk off of the island, you hit your way off of the island", the island being AAA. just my 2 cents.
2007 season: dedicated to Josh Hancock, RIP.

by cards4life on Aug 5, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am a big believer in the
value of experimentation.  If you give someone a real shot to succeed, and he doesn't, fine, you move on ... but you have to give the guy a chance to be something.  And under no circumstances do you let that failure scare you into timid, no-risk moves.  There was a time when TLR had that kind of boldness, but I think it's gone now.

And there is NO better place to engage in some healthy experimentation than with a thoroughly failed team like the 2007 Cardinals.  This is a perfect nothing-to-lose situation.

And while you're at it, TLR, how about giving Lil' Dunc some PAs against lefties the rest of the year?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 5, 2007 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think
that ankiel stands a better chance of having a higer obp and batting average in st louis because in the majors it seems batters get thrown more strikes. look at brendan ryan, at memphis he was hitting like 260 and he comes up to st louis and starts hitting over 300

by truemun12 on Aug 5, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matty Mo
made his debut for the Pirates last night:

 IP H R ER BB SO  HR ERA
6.1 9 5  4  1  4  0  4.41

He also went 2 for 3 with a solo HR.

If we are going to watch Looper, Pineiro, Maroth, Reyes, etc pitch as poorly as Morris, I'd rather just have Matty Mo back in the BOB.  He'd atleast be able to eat innings.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but
not at the (ridiculous) price the Pirates paid for him.

by Jhusk on Aug 5, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are more than likely going to pay
Braden Looper $5.5 M next year, Joel Pineiro's mutual option is $4 M for 2009.  That is $9.5 M being paid to those two pitchers who may or may not equal the innings and productiveness of Matt Morris.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pineiro is $4M in 2008, typo alert
not to mention, if they create some stupid scenerio where they keep Mike Maroth, he'll make atleast $1 or $2 M...if they avoid arbitration.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's unlikely
that we'll pick up Pineiro's option and even less likely that we'll tender Maroth a contract.  Additionally, Looper's contract is a sunk cost.  It's not like taking on Morris' huge contract gets us out from under Looper's.

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Why is it likely the pickup Pineiro's option.

I'd say that decision is still well up in the air.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They gave Kip Wells $4 M last year
I really don't doubt that they will give Joel the same type deal.

Rotation
Mulder
Wainwright
Looper
Reyes
???

They want to move Looper back into the pen and seem to like to keep Franklin in his 8th inning spot.

The Cardinals spent $4M on Kip Wells, ~$1.5 M for Mike Maroth, and probably the same on Pineiro.  The 'saving money' Cardinals spent $7 M for some bad pitching.  They just did it creatively by giving it to 3 different pitchers.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is...
Wells and Maroth didn't have the benefit of Duncan "magic".  You know, where the organization thinks Duncan can turn any slug into a respectable pitcher.

If Pineiro doesn't pitch well...that blows that idea out of the water.

It is possible they pick up that option, but only if he pitches well.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just that...
but I'd love to have him for his bat...you bat him eighth and it makes sense!! LOL

by tbell61 on Aug 5, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, isn't the point to UPGRADE
the rotation?  How does plugging in another (even more highly paid) stopgap into this team make us better?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 5, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mets/Cubs game tonight
Of the three big milestones this week (A-Rod 500, Bonds 755, Glavine 300), the guy I'm most happy to see reach his milestone gets to try once more tonight after the Mets' bullpen blew his last win. And, he's going against the Cubs.... And, Marquis is starting for the Cubs.... I'll be rooting for the Mets tonight more than I can remember having done before.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 5, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very much with you on that
and even tho I get annoyed when we have to hit against him, Tom Glavine has always been a class act.

And he doesn't say "uh,' "you know" and "I mean."

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also handled the NLCS Pujols incident well
Instead of giving the media what they wanted (a verbal exchange they could play up as drama) he diffused the situation and played the whole thing down.

Go get 300 Tommy!

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen this, Erik?
http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2007/noangels/index.html

Perhaps you could start a complementary, juvenile-detention baseball league, and help get the best players on track to the Cardinals farm club---synthesizing your vocation and avocation.

by Don Zero on Aug 5, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey
that's pretty cool stuff.

by erik on Aug 5, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...
Who the devil is Rick Ankiel? Is he a new draft pick? I haven't even heard of this guy!
Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 5, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I get to see him today
Redbirds are in Portland for a 4 game set against the Portland Beavers and I'm seeing all 4 games.  First game is today in 4 hours. I'm going to try to get to the park early and see if I can convince rickers and maybe Brendan Ryan to sign a ball or something.

I'll post a diary about what I see from those guys.  Hopefully Ankiel will crank a bomb or two so I can report what kind of home run swing he has.

These AAA games will be loads more fun than watching the big club get swept by the Nationals.  Yesh.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be at 2 of the games
can't make the night games because I work nights.  it's a shame they only make it to Portland every other season.  the last time I tried to see them, the game got rained out, so I actually haven't seen them in 4 years.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 5, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 pitch leadoff walks are GREAT!
Bring on the sweep.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shannon sounds relaxed
and even having a little fun.  It's been a while (partly my fault) since I have listened to him.

It's like a little bit of a breeze on a hot day.  God bless him!

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad he got the 3rd out
but that was insanely high to be called a strike.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Aug 5, 2007 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did Ryan Ludwick just get a hit against a lefty?
Prepare for the rapture!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's no Luddite
... a waxing Mike Shannon actually came close to a criticism of the Cards' "veterans."
Luddy's HR make him segue to the "enthusiasm" the younger players have brought to the team... and said something like "while some of the veterans have been sluffing."

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bout time
Ludwick hit one...

Tony, if you are going to do this "pitcher in the 8 spot" thing with AW (instead of putting him in the 6 spot where he belongs), please don't have him bunt.  

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 5, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Wagonmaker
would look good in the 2 spot
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Aug 5, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many errors is that for Eckstein since
coming off the DL?  Anyone know?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm at work and can't actually watch this one...
except via fangraphs- which don't show an error- what error did eckstein make?  Was it on the "hit" by Chico?
"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 5, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was a grounder
to Eckstein's left.  Hit into his glove and fell right out.  The pitcher was running so he'd have had the 3rd out at 1st easily.  

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it wasnt the pitcher running
it was nook logan. that's a big difference...

by willievinceterry on Aug 5, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope...
It was the pitcher...

Two different plays.  He had no chance on Logan's ball.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Astoundingly
I think they called it a hit.  If so, that scorekeeper needs to be fired...now!

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the more errors for Eck, the better.
makes it more and more likely he won't return next year.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 5, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's with me that next year...
we have a NEW (different than) player at RF, CF, SS and 2B ... sans (Enc), (Jimbo), (Eck), and (Kennedy)

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Juan is going anywhere.....
and neither is Adam Kennedy.

But i'm willing to bet we'll have a different CFer and SS.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 5, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your realism...
but it wasn't a 'what's going to happen' question; it was a 'what do you WANT to happen' question.

Just trying to stir it up, hehe.

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in that case...
i'll take a new player at every position except 1st and LF.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 5, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy
If Juan and Kennedy aren't going anywhere then what makes you think Jimmy is.  He is the definition of unmovable.
"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Aug 5, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

give them all
cortisone injections.  they'll be fine.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 5, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Erik - My Ankiel Aside
I really appreciate the fact that you said what Rick Ankiel's oddysey signifies for you, on that note, for me it is very much the same....  so I will post my Ankiel aside...

I am a CPA and my job requires that I talk to various dignitaries at multi-billion dollar companies about their role for various reasons.  I have crossed paths with Larry Ellison, Charles Schwab and multiple other multi-billionairres along the way and at some point something in me snapped and I started developing severe anxiety - I would meet with these people and other people and would have to fight the shakes with my hands/voice, and various other malladies everyday (this is where I analogize to Ank trying to throw a damn strike).  

It got so bad that it wasn't just the big wig I couldn't talk to, it was the starbucks lady, my own family. etc. etc.  (At various points a year and two years in I never thought I'd get over it, just like I wondered if Ank would ever make it back)

It has been about three/four years since all this started for me and over that period of time I have fought through it, and am doing well on the job and in life once again (not perfect, but ALOT better),,,

but through my struggles, much like Rick I have been humbled - and Rick's comeback strikes a very deep chord for me much like others (and has served to increase my general compassion for others me thinks)...

Anyway - long winded way of saying - Great post and I am with you...Go Rick!

by Lawless on Aug 5, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lawless and Erik
Thanks for your posts today.  

by ncgostl on Aug 5, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think Ludwick is tired yet?
Gets drilled in the knee in the top half of the inning and the last 3 balls put in play were in his direction (Gap, Gap, Line)
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Erik
I'm a little late on this but I just wanted to thank you for the great post today.  Truly inspiring!

by eglasier on Aug 5, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
that was crushed.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 5, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Wainwright ought to bat 7th...or 5th.

by chuckb on Aug 5, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or 3rd..
Our best hitters are pitchers and our best pitchers are hitters.. Holy crap.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now if he was nly batting 6th as suggested....
Then it woudl have been  Grand slam, instead of the out that Edmonds made!
The St. Louis Lounge Singers (they have no sense of Pitch)....Best I could do since were no longer the "Judies"

by Podlol on Aug 5, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy cow
I wonder what the HitTracker is going to have distance on that one.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Aug 5, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Replay showed that was an out
but regardless I think Eckstein has proved that he has maybe a high school ready arm at short.  Maybe, might still be at middle school level
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Aug 5, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein has got to go
either trade him or DFA him.  He's cost Wainwrigt atleast 15 pitches on his pitch count and is doing nothing for this team offensively.

Get him off the field.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Carpenter
MLB.TV is showing the Nats' broadcast, and Carpenter is calling the game.  I'd forgotten how boring and homerish of a broadcaster he is.  

Hearing his "See...You...Later!" made me shudder though.  That strike three call to Ludwick made me shudder too.

"Well, no one's perfect. Only one guy was ever perfect, Jack, and they nailed him to a tree!"

by lightbulb on Aug 5, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we gonna win!
tony ejected
 here comes another streak!

by samael88 on Aug 5, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan was under that tag
You'll never be able to change my mind on that.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i told you!
we already tied it!

by samael88 on Aug 5, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give credit to Tony
He's still a competitor and will try to win every game.

We're not good enough for a Cubs-like turn around - but he made me feel like winning this game meant something - just to spite some cocky umpire.

by enoscountry on Aug 5, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's used Mike Maroth twice this week
clearly, he isn't trying to win every game :p
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think those games were lost
beforehand.  The Pittsburgh one was a definite loss.  I also think he had to do that though to justify cutting Maroth loose.    

Regardless, it's pretty well documented that Tony is more depressed about a Cardinals loss more than any one here.

by enoscountry on Aug 5, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night it was still 5-1
we have one of the best hitting teams in baseball after the 7th inning.

In the end, it didn't matter because we only scored 1 run, but how many runners did we have on after Maroth coughed up 5 more runs?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington
has the best ERA after 7 in the MLB.

by enoscountry on Aug 5, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dog, no offense, but...
Your argument simply consisted of the fact that we score a lot of runs past the 7th (which really doesn't seem to mean anything systematic to me - what do we have good pinch-hitters or are we so far behind the opponent lets up on us?) and that he should have put someone else in.

Who else?  Everybody was spent except Percival and Albert was out of the lineup - You would waste him or overuse Franklin/Springer for 4 innings down by 4? Against the best bullpen in the MLB?  That's your choice - and this board would have killed you today if this tie score continues and we had to use Maroth today.

If you think Tony likes to give up that's fine.  I think you're wrong.

by enoscountry on Aug 5, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can Brad Thompson be spent?
The guy has been conditioned as a starter/long reliever and we use him for 1 inning at a time anymore.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when Brendan Ryan came up
and they told him he should 'look to bunt for a basehit'?

Maybe Eckstein with his sudden uppercut swing should try doing that from now on.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

edmonds catch??
i need details, it shows on game day that the ball was out of the park.

by samael88 on Aug 5, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been noticing
Gameday seems to exaggerate the depth of balls hit this year.  A lot of doubles are showing up on gameday as landing in the stadium parking lot.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over the shoulder
400 feet out, 3 steps short of the wall.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good game Wainer. Way to be the staff ace.
"Well, no one's perfect. Only one guy was ever perfect, Jack, and they nailed him to a tree!"

by lightbulb on Aug 5, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

13 baserunners in 7 innings
Wainwright was playing with fire all afternoon.  The Ks are nice as are the groundouts but this wasn't a spectacular outing. He managed to strand a lot of baserunners fortunately.

by azruavatar on Aug 5, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein and the 1st base umpire
certainly helped with base hits.  What was again encouraging was that given Eckstein's blunder (should have been an error) and bad umpire calls, Wainwright never got rattled.  In fact, after the 2 bad calls by the first base umpire, he seemed to get even more determined and started to throw shorter innings.  

by nycardfan on Aug 5, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Tony making the calls from the clubhouse?
Wainwright makes better contact than Kennedy and Ray King (LHP) was warming up.

I'd rather see a struggling Ayala against Wainer than Ray King dominate Adam Kennedy.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or use him as a decoy
for Yadier Molina...who takes 1 pitch to get us out of the inning.

Yay!  No win for Wainwright!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Subterfusion
Just did that to get Manny to burn his loogy.  Molina comes into bat once King was announced.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES
best use of AK ever

by tomsteele on Aug 5, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By heroics, do you mean
"takes ball off the face" ?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it fails miserably.
Well, I'm off to watch the AAA club.  This game doesn't seem like it will end well.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 5, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the runner have to stay on the OUTSIDE
of the baseline, not on the inside of the chalk?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
Plate umpire has NO CLUE out there.

by Jhusk on Aug 5, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweep!
Break out the brooms, baby!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

shucks
I lost the feed again on the John Hadley post-game show on KTRS.  He has the same command of that venue as does Limbaugh.
This could be dangerous.

by CurtFlood on Aug 5, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best Post
erik, That was the best post I have read all year.  Thanks for the honesty and the insight.
Cards fan banished to NH

by t7rick on Aug 5, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not that it matters
Brewers blow a 6-1 lead, loss 8-6 in the 11th inning.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At home, too
It appears Cordero can screw up at home just as well as on the road now.

Too bad we got swept by the Nationals with two of our better pitchers going.

by liam on Aug 5, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that
but yesterday in a 1-run game, he gave up a game-tying HR...only to have it robbed by Corey Hart.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 5, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad movie
here my theory here http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2007/8/4/63311/33321/92#92

and heres a bad line: now yu will die...as shall you..after a really bad battle...crouching tiger hidden dragon

07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glavine and Wood
Glavine's pitching in the bottom of the 7th up 5-1 (all 5 runs charged to Marquis). He's already thrown 98 pitches, so presumably he won't be back for the 8th (if he finishes the 7th). But he's in good position for #300.

Also, Kerry Wood pitched for the first time this year - 1 inning (so far), 1 hit, 1 K. Here's hoping he has a good rest of the season that he can build on for next year; I've always really liked him (even though he's a Cub) and have been saddened by his never-ending string of injuries.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 5, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's great news for both of them.
It's difficult to stay around long enough to get to 300 wins-what an accomplishment.  Kerry Wood has had so many injuries/surgeries/rehabs that I'm with you there too.  I'm glad he got his inning in.

by jillsinmo on Aug 5, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many lump Wood and Prior together
But thats unfair.  Wood has been seriously injured a couple of times in his career.  He has done the rehab assignments and gotten himself in shape over and over.  He even took a low salary to stay with the Cubs because he said he "owed it to the organization".  Since then, he has swallowed his pride and taken a relief role twice.

On the other hand, Prior hasn't pitched well since Bartman.  His psyche was as fragigle as an eggshell and he's never recovered.  He even flaked on an appearance at a local business because everything wasn't perfect.  The business has since sued him since they had to refund eveyone in attendence.  Plus, no one knows why he's hurt!!!  That's the funniest thing.  He hasn't pitched in two years and has never been diagnosed with anything.

Personally, I can't stand Wood.  He's a Cub for cryin' out loud!  But, I can respect his hard work through some really bad luck.  It's not his fault he's been hurt, but he does what he can to get back.  Prior just sucks his thumb.

by Big Red on Aug 5, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about Prior's past but
I do recall that he started out in the minor leagues in the spring this year and was shut down shortly thereafter; he had some sort of shoulder surgery.  I would assume he's recovering/rehabbing somewhere.....I think he's still a cub.

by jillsinmo on Aug 5, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went ahead and looked Prior up---
he had labrum and rotator cuff repairs and is out for the 2007 season.  He is still with the Cubs.

by jillsinmo on Aug 5, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually
got to talk to Kerry Wood the other day, and he seems like a nice enough guy. I was definitely glad to see him get back out on the bump in a big league stadium. Hopefully he can stick. I'd love to see him in red, but a question I did get to ask him was if he'd done anything mechincally different to take the strain off of his elbow and shoulder. His answer, in short, was no, so I worry that we're not too long until another trip to the DL.

Check out the "Anthony Reyes, meet the MRI Machine" diary for a pitching mechanics rant by yours truly.

by Jhusk on Aug 6, 2007 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the local business served goat
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

weirdest thing ever
ump leaving the game afterfoul ball off the facemask...the gamer wanted to stay in but they making him leave..having eye problems..weird
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 5, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One out to go - c'mon, Wagner!
Apparently Luis Castillo also left the game, due to heat exhaustion. I'm in southern Indiana and it's miserably hot and muggy here; I assume it's worse in Chicago (and even worse in St. Louis).

1-2 count - one strike to go!

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 5, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really uncomfortable here and
the forecast is for mid 90's with humidity pushing the heat index over 100 for the next few days.  Muggy and miserable....  

by jillsinmo on Aug 5, 2007 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you in chicago?
I figured by your name you were in Missouri?  Anyway, yeah it's miserable here in Chicago.  It was pretty nice yesterday and I acutally slept with the windows open last night.  That is until about 6 AM when the heavens opened up.  Absolutely poured and wreaked havoc on the humidity.  It's like one of those St. Louis days where it's difficult to breathe.

As a matter of fact, I just went into the living room and all of the windows are fogged over due to the air conditioner and the humidity outside.  First time that's happened this summer.

by Big Red on Aug 6, 2007 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always weird...
...to read a sentence that begins, "Brian Gunn, who could very well be reading this," when your name is Brian Gunn and you really are reading this.  

Nevertheless... just wanted to say thanks, Larry, for the peek into your everyday life, although I'd quibble with your assertion that you're still somehow finding your way in life.  Oh, I'm sure, like most people, you feel like there are bigger mountains to climb, but in the meantime this blog sure seems like a mighty fine mark of success.

Brian Gunn

by briangunn on Aug 6, 2007 2:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Erik/Larry confusion,
methinks, but I'll add: everybody posting here in such great depth makes baseball meaningful to me in a way it's never been before.  Thanks to Erik, Larry, Val, and all.

by jfs on Aug 6, 2007 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
I meant Erik -- just a force of habit, typing too fast.
Brian Gunn

by briangunn on Aug 6, 2007 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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