Game 5 Open Thread: April 7, 2007
Update [2007-4-7 18:45:0 by lboros]: lineups for tonight's game are here.[end update]
a groundball double play on a squeeze bunt? that i had never seen before; i don't think i had ever even conceived of it. it didn't look like wainwright fielded the ball so much as paddle it back to the batter's box; he re-bunted it, in essence ---- or maybe i should say un-bunted it. molina caught the throw (if that's what it was) and the baserunner all in one motion, then had the presence of mind to wheel and peg to first base to retire leadfoot ausmus. what an unbelievable, beautiful play. i appreciated it all the more after watching fly balls bounce off outfielders' heads for three games. the bats remain hollow, but at least the gloves are back to taking runs away instead of giving them away.
that play almost directly mirrored beltran's much-discussed throw to the plate on opening night to nail eckstein: in both cases, the fielder took a big risk in throwing home in the first place. the safe and proper play last night would have been to concede the run and take the out; that'd leave it 3-2 with one out and the tying run at second base. contrast that with 3-2, nobody out, and both the tying and winning runs on base --- which is the situation wainwright was courting in throwing home. he made a brilliant play, but one with a very high risk of failure. suppose he throws home and the runner's safe? damn near happened, even with a perfectly executed field/throw. suppose he doesn't get the call on a bang-bang play? suppose he fails to execute the barehanded grab cleanly --- or fields it cleanly but throws the ball away? keep in mind, wainwright wasn't trying to start a double play; he simply made a fielder's choice to try for the difficult out at home (and thereby save a run) instead of taking the easy out at first. i would submit that, on a play that difficult and that close, he had less than a 50 percent chance of success. and if he fails, where does that leave the cardinals?
probably at 0-4.
but --- and here, too, we hear echoes of the beltran play --- if the fielder made a questionable decision, the coach (or manager, in this case) made an even worse one to send the runner home in the first place. why call for the squeeze there? it's an all-or-nothing play, but even if it works you're still behind by a run; if it fails, you've screwed up a rally. now look at the circumstances last night: a tiring pitcher who has yielded a double and single to the previous two hitters; who's making his first start in over a year (and his first major-league start ever) and is almost at 100 pitches; who's backed up by a questionable bullpen. why was garner trying to give the cardinals an out? go for the jugular, man! he's got palmeiro, loretta, ensberg and lane sitting on the bench; should have sent one of those guys up there for ausmus and another for the pitcher (who was going to be pinch-hit for under any circumstances) and tried to win the game right there.
another point: the cardinals were playing the infield back and conceding the run, so almost any ball in play (anything but a popup or a caught line drive) would have gotten the runner home. they didn't need a risky strategy there.
if garner was worried about hitting into a double play there --- a reasonable concern --- then how about a safety squeeze? the runner stays at third but will still score on almost any subsequent ball in play, the tying run moves into scoring position, and you've got pretty much the same situation you were trying to achieve via the squeeze bunt --- a single ties it up.
garner didn't explain himself after the game, but alyson footer wrote at the astros' official site that "the offense has yet to produce, and the teamwide struggles in that department probably gave Garner reason to try the squeeze." she then adds, "The strategy was correct"; i can't agree with her. under no circumstances should garner have put that runner on third in peril. the fact that ausmus got the bunt down, and that it took an outstanding defensive play to nail burke at the plate, is beside the point. like oquendo on opening night, garner took a needless chance on a run that wasn't that important, where the benefit far outweighed the risk. he gave a good defensive team a chance to make a play and beat him.
anyway, back to wagonmaker: the guy pitches, hits, fields --- he has presence, no? if you appreciate jason isringhausen for nothing else, at least appreciate him for so diligently and determinedly rehabbing that hip of his. his swift recovery provided the brass with enough certainty in the closer's role that wainwright could be slotted into the rotation right from the start of spring training. that allowed him to focus on his new role and work on his arm and repertoire accordingly.
as for the cardinal bats . . . . wandy bleepin' rodriguez tamed them for 7 innings. only allowed 5 baserunners, and 3 of those were accounted for by duncan and wainwright. against oswalt tonight, hoo boy. . . .
now just watch. they'll hang 6 runs on him.
here's erik's minor-league report; good nights for stavinoha, brendan ryan, and chris lambert.
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Wow
by rockin redbird on Apr 7, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at my sister's house when it happened
by gibbons on Apr 7, 2007 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
And he can take the hometown boos without giving anyone the finger. He seems like a pretty good guy to me.
by guayzimi on Apr 7, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I predict an 80-85% conversion rate (solid not spectacular as we are accustomed to..). We just need to find an eighth inning guy...
by Lawless on Apr 7, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Hombre BP
Last night, I was there watching BP as usual. And I noticed a disturbing difference. Albert was pulling everything. He hit almost nothing to right. Everything was pulled to left. Seems as if he has lost his patience and is lunging because his is so far out in front of everything. Seems everyone is getting him out on a significant amount of off speed stuff. I am sure he will work it out. We have all heard the stories about how hard is in on himself, watching video, tee work, etc. Just wondering if anyone else is seeing the same thing?
by Cards67 on Apr 7, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed too
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Apr 7, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the strike zone
It's very scary if albert looks bad in batting practice though...
by SleepyCA on Apr 7, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bp, etc. ...
i will agree that his timing is off. he seems to be dragging his back foot a little bit & not driving off of that leg. & it was weird to see him get sawed off, speaking of plays that don't happen often. anyone see anything with his hands? i think he'll be fine. & defensively, he looks better than ever. really sharp.
by redbadger on Apr 7, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is up with cardinal pitchers
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 7, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am
by JMedwick on Apr 7, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garner's decision
As for the Cardinal bats. I thought Wandy pitched a really good game. Considering the fact that he has nothing in the way of stuff, he did a great job locating on the outside corner and at the bottom of the strike zone. He was also ahead of everybody and that makes it difficult on the bats. Rolen, however, had a horrible game -- had several pitches to hit and didn't.
All in all, though, Wainwright pitches great despite having trouble at times locating his fastball. Izzy gets back in there and pitches well, Rolen's error notwithstanding. Duncan gets 3 hits and has a 2.000 slugging % vs. lefties and Pujols does nothing and we win. It's a good start. Hopefully Oswalt's hard stuff will help Pujols get of the schneid.
by chuckb on Apr 7, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't overly impressed with Wandy
by azruavatar on Apr 7, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pujols
Now, after four games; FOUR games, it's Mighty Casey has struck out all over again. I don't understand; someone please enlighten me...
by cardsrul on Apr 7, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference is...
by Cards67 on Apr 7, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have the numbers
by gibbons on Apr 7, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall this game from 05...
by GOOCH24 on Apr 7, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
buster olney
wonder when the last time the league had a double play turned like that one! it was risky, but, wow!
molina threw so hard to first the cameraman lost track of the ball for a moment.
i lived in texas when pudge was breaking into the league, and never thought id say this, but yadi's arm is the strongest of any catcher ive ever seen. sorry pudge, you still get the nod as an overall catcher, but watch out if yadi starts hitting like he did last postseason!!
by Rentboy on Apr 7, 2007 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question about Reyes
by Hollywood15 on Apr 7, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Accent.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 7, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't so much hispanic accent
by Hollywood15 on Apr 7, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes
by heart cards on Apr 7, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonights lineup
Both Taguchi and Schumaker are 2/3 against Oswalt. And you know how much TLR likes success, even in small sample sizes.
The only regulars who have really struggled against Oswalt are Yadi, Wilson, and maybe you could say Rolen.
Does TLR dare bench Rolen and stick Spiezio at third? I don't think so.
Heres what I think TLR will do.
Eck
Dunc
Apu
Speez
Rolen
JEd
Yadi
AK
Reyes
by El Hombre on Apr 7, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Reyes
by Toddius396 on Apr 7, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox commentators
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I giggled a little bit when you said unbunted.
by geronimopena on Apr 7, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so tired, cant type
by geronimopena on Apr 7, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
giants game on fox
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Creepy
by OKCardsfan on Apr 7, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love google earth
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 7, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the way to
by calico30 on Apr 7, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New el Hombre
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcfarlaneonline_1945_17000678
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineups
eckstein ss
duncan lf
pujols 1b
rolen 3b
edmonds cf
spiezio rf
kennedy 2b
bennett c
reyes p
HOU
biggio 2b
ensberg 3b
berkman 1b
lee lf
scott rf
burke cf
everett ss
ausmus c
oswalt p
by lboros on Apr 7, 2007 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes throwing BP...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dint know
by only on tuesdays on Apr 7, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds is afraid to throw the ball
I think he may be afraid of hurting himself, especially on that one as it was a medium range flyball.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
28 pitches in the first
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Extra Innings / MLB.TV
so I started the free 5 day trial of MLB.TV "premium" and I can't say that this video feed looks any better than last year's.
also, I think Reyes's shirt is a size or two too large...
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have Comcast
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is unusual for the NHL
This same problem existed on my Time Warner San Diego System yesterday -- blank screens on 4 baseball channels. Tech people said they were hoping to correct the situation ASAP. By today, everything was up and running, and the NHL/MLB co-existed perfectly, on 15 channels.
And by the way, the Montreal/Toronto game tonight on the CBC was awesome. If games like that were shown on USA TV.....people would actually like the sport.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 8, 2007 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well this gameis
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else
by calico30 on Apr 7, 2007 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gameday
by only on tuesdays on Apr 7, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good quick move.
Reyes is getting knocked around hard. We'll be lucky to win this game (if this keeps up) 7-6.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll also be lucky
by sdesserman on Apr 7, 2007 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reyes debate
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice play by Eck going to his knees
Bear down here Reyes.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was hoping
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not just walks...
I would say it's only the 2nd innning, but it's some 45 pitches in already.
let's hope he limits the damage.
by HoosierCardFan on Apr 7, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That blows.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so was the cannon going off
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is 5 inning Reyes
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if he keeps this up
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Location, Location, Location...
by GOOCH24 on Apr 7, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit # 2936 and 2B # 638 for Biggio....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a terrible 'Time' call
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem here is the changeup
he's gotta change speeds to be effective.
by lboros on Apr 7, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
53 pitches in two innings...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aren't we being...
by gentry13 on Apr 7, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Biggio catches that ball
What is with the base coaches this year?
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Either drinking Wendell Kim kool aid, or.....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
base running
nice knock, Bennett!
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets go snow cones
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd night
by sdesserman on Apr 7, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan's offseason:
Larry Walker for fielding
Should have called up Vince Coleman and worked on baserunning.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonna be lucky if Reyes makes 5 at this pace
by CardFaninVA on Apr 7, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy there Speezer
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...just wow...
Is that possible?
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ya it was C lee
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
68 pitches after 3...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's going to need 2 10 - 13 pitch innings
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good start to the 4th
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 pitch AB there.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 pitch there
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reyes looks settled
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please...
by gentry13 on Apr 7, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the Astros practice
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you imagine how gibson would have responded...
by gentry13 on Apr 7, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ump blows that HBP call....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros announcers
"2002: Travis Smith and Mike Crudale"
and later...
"whatever happened to Bud Smith?"
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
79 pitches for Reyes, if I counted correctly...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speezer's back is hurting him pretty bad
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leadoff double...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sno cones comeon
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes should swing for the Downs
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just a sac fly
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oswalt at 52 pitches through 5
by CardFaninVA on Apr 7, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
between castaway
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry Walker must have taught Chris
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anthony 'announced his presence
He has only thrown more than this 5 times in his MLB career.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 for 13.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
12 AB of 1-2-pitches
by Johnny64 on Apr 7, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom of the order coming up....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 7, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its quiet...
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Apr 7, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros TV crew
by Solanus on Apr 7, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i just tuned in
by erik on Apr 7, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bizarro Cardinals
by madding on Apr 7, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is pathetic.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 7, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Double Plays are killing us
Pujols's first AB, and he takes 2 strikes over the middle of the plate, questioning the umpire about both and then reaches for one way outside. What is up? It's like he's lost the ability to see balls and strikes. This is not the same AP!
by redbird2006in on Apr 7, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by FunkeeC on Apr 7, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't making good hitters
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 8, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both u and I wish
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but
by StJimmy on Apr 7, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
by El Hombre on Apr 7, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From Bernie
by punditmoi on Apr 7, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run totals in first 5 games
1
0
3
1
That's nice.
by Mr Redbird on Apr 7, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Make that 4 in game 4
by Mr Redbird on Apr 7, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard luck Dan Haren
by BTown Birds fan on Apr 7, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
luv that guy
by punchinjudy on Apr 7, 2007 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always knew
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 8, 2007 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs





















