Game 21 Open Thread: April 26, 2007
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pujols' walk in the first inning was almost as encouraging as the opposite-field base hit that won the game in the 8th. after falling behind 0-2, albert took four pitches juuuuust off the outside corner at the knees --- the type of pitch on which he's been grounding out to short and third all spring. albert didn't bite on any of'm. either he's starting to see the ball better, or he's starting to have a little confidence in the guys hitting around him --- specifically, the one hitting directly behind him. a few days ago, when rolen was hitting .190 and only had 2 extra-base hits all season, maybe pujols would've chased one of those pitches and tried to do something superhuman. with rolen now at .290 and hitting the daylights out of the ball, perhaps albert felt he could allow himself the luxury of waiting for a strike.
pujols laid off the same pitch in his decisive 8th-inning plate appearance. in the hole 1-2, he protected the plate with a couple of two-strike fouloffs, the second of which came on a fastball in on the hands. on the next pitch (the 6th of the at-bat) saarloos threw one shin-high, just off the corner --- the type of bait that a messed-up anxious hitter can't resist (especially with two strikes) but a relaxed, confident one can. albert took it for ball two. saarloos tried again on the next pitch but got it into the strike zone --- pretty much had to, as he could ill afford to let the count go to 3-2 in that situation. so albert's discretion forced the pitcher to come to him --- you know, like it usually has for the last 6 years. it was a pretty good strike, didn't get too much of the plate, but albert didn't try to do too much with the pitch, just went with it and found a gap. on both those at-bats he looked more like himself --- ie, smart and patient --- than he has all spring.
to dwell on those last two pitches for a moment longer: if he swings at the low-outside bait on pitch #6, he probably hits a grounder to the left side (likely a double play). same probable result if he attempts to pull pitch #7. lots of us at VEB have observed albert committing both those mistakes all spring --- chasing outside the strike zone, trying to pull too much --- and the batted-ball numbers at fangraphs support our impressions. even after last night's game, he's hitting 47 percent of his balls in play on the ground, 7 percent above his career norm, while hitting just 13.5 percent for line drives, or 6 percent below his career norm. last night he laid off the groundball sucker-pitches, waited for one he could hit for a line drive, and put the proper swing on it. a little more of that type of hitting, and the anomalies in albert's batted-ball mix will disappear --- along with, presumably, the anomalies in his batting line.
while we are talking about patience and plate discipline: was anybody aware that rolen's walk last night was only his 3d one of the season? and it was intentional --- he's only taken 2 non-intended walks all season, or 1 per 32.5 plate appearances. his career ratio is 1 unintentional walk per 9.4 plate appearances. good to see him slugging the ball again, but apparently he, like pujols, has been chasing pitches he oughtn't. rolen's strikeout rate is perfectly normal, and he has now elevated his batting avg to its typical level; but maybe his low walk rate and low (for him) slugging pct are not unrelated. if you don't force pitchers to come into the strike zone you see fewer mistakes, fewer pitches you can clout. or maybe it's the other way around in rolen's case: when you don't slug the ball, pitchers attack you with impunity. maybe scotty's recent hot streak will force hurlers to pitch him a little more carefully, resulting in a few more bbs.
looper continues to win admirers and make his pitching coach look smart. he crossed the 100-pitch threshold for the first time in his career last night and looked strong doing it; after yielding a homer on pitch #70, he mowed down 6 of the next 7 reds without encountering anything resembling trouble. for the season, he has yielded a .242 / .324 / .424 line on the 3d time through the opponent's batting order and a .236 / .317 / .353 line after pitch #50; those of us who doubted looper's stamina appear to have doubted for nothing, at least so far. the longer-term measure of stamina remains to be taken; will looper still be able to go deep into games after he's put another 10 or 15 starts on his arm? i'm not convinced that he will, but i'm sure not going to bet against it.
while we're admiring reclamation projects, cincinnati has done a nice job with today's starting pitcher, kyle lohse. the cardinals had some interest in lohse last off-season, when it looked as if the twins were going to non-tender him. minnesota ended up making him an offer, but then traded him to the reds at deadline time after lohse put up a 7.07 era in 64 innings. lohse has benefited greatly from the league switch; his strikeout rate has jumped from 5.6 per 9 innings in the al to 7.3 per 9 innings in the nl. lohse also has achieved a mild decrease in his walk rate, so his k/w ratio has improved from a pedestrian 2 to 1 in the american league to about 3.5 to 1 in the senior circuit. he looks like the kind of pitcher who'll shred the cardinals' current lineup; i hope keisler can get the first pitch over today.
maybe it'll rain.
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When Gagne hit the DL
I would....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
On a positive note....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
A Pu
His 8th inning AB was vintage Albert though. And he made a point to to take that ball the other way.
I feel a power surge a comin'.
Scotty also hit the ball very hard last night. That walk stat is staggering, Larry!
I felt very good about Pujols after Sunday
Last night he saw a lot of pitches on the outer half -- rarely did they even try to come inside on him. The more line drives he hits to CF and right-center, the more they're going to have to try coming inside and he'll take advantage.
O/T
And Tim Hudson
(Surmised this from the box score this morning. Hope it's all accurate.)
by Youneverknow on Apr 26, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hudson should've been out of the game
You forgot to mention that
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 26, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
so said will carroll
All I can say is WOW
fantasy surprise
by nybirdgirl on Apr 26, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwell at will, larry
Very encouraging.
He hit it like he knew it was coming
by IC Cards Fan on Apr 26, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
as encouraged as i was
as we discussed many times here last year, i thought that he might have that 'look'. frequently last year, when he was frustrated, he took it out on the ball. last night, he subsequently grounded out to 3rd.
Pitches.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Addition
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd also tend to revisit
Chicken or the egg?
Duncan's OBP this year is .394. Pujols has had guys on in front of him - he just hasn't had protection behind him for most of this year. Rolen's hitting now, and so is Pujols. Coincidence?
Interesting idea
to add to this
Whats funny is last yr Ap was carrying the team alot now everyone cept maybe duncan is grinding it out..It would be nice to see Rolen and AP tear ir up at same time its been afew yrs and we are waiting for that.
Two things about Albert
Also, Albert is still expressing his dislike of a lot of called-strikes. Strikes that look like strikes to me. Is this an act? Does he really think all those are balls?
by redbird2006in on Apr 26, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
Getting Yadi going -
'04 - .685
'05 - .656
'06 - .595
'07 - .613
Not exactly trending upward and onward. Yadi will always be remembered for his October clutch hit in '06. It'd be nice to have something else to put on his resume. But ... maybe this is what it is.
k, few things
- yadier molina is never gonna ops .750. but it looks like his batting stance is legitimately better than it was last year (until the playoffs). this year will almost certainly be better at the plate for him than last year.
- his AB total doesn't include the 10 walks he's got already this year, against only 11 Ks - which would be his best ratio ever.
- BP has him listed at 1 Batting Run Above Replacement already thus far this year. The best he's ever done was 1 for an entire season, in 2004. In 2005 and 2006, he was below replacement.
- his RBI totals are only tangentially related to his "firepower." they are much more closely related to the fact that the cardinals have had terrible hitters in the spots in front of yadier molina this season. his slugging percentage is down, true - but his on-base percentage is up, over .350, which would be the highest of his career.
- it's a cliche at this point, but yadier molina is a really really sick fielding catcher. this means that even if he is a bad hitter, he's worth about 4 wins per year above replacement - which equates to about an $8 million player.
- his ops so far this season is better than the following players: aaron miles, preston wilson, david eckstein, adam kennedy, skip schumaker, jim edmonds. it is also .013 worse than scott spiezio's. and that is not even considering the fact that ops really undervalues obp relative to slg. assuming we're not counting bennett or kip wells, yadi has the third-highest obp on the team right now (behind duncan and spiezio).
That's breakin it down ...
by Urban Pawnee on Apr 26, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you and me both
WOW
I like sabermetrics. They do confuse me at times, but I am also too lazy to really really study all that is out there as well. Thanks for breaking it down.
one stat you forgot:
It's a direct result of inferior outfield defense.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
In Cincy...
OF Assists
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 26, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
duncan
don't know
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols limping
If they don't pinch run for him...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like when...
Or when Mulder was starting last May/ June when nothing was wrong.
Or how about when Edmonds coulnd't figure out where he was in July 2006, but of course nothing was wrong.
Call me crazy, but I just don't trust LaRussa and company when we are talking about dealing with injured star players.
That's probably why...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
The fact that there are many times when LaRussa has pushed his star players farther than perhaps he should have, to the determent of both the player and the team (all of the above being examples of that) does matter. That gives me pause when talking about injuries to Pujols and whether he should be playing.
Now clearly part of LaRussa's success is that he does an outstanding job getting the most out of all his players. Maybe we just have to take the good (getting the most out of players, particularly scrubs) with the bad (sometimes over-pushing his injured stars). I am comfortable with that trade off up to a certain point, particularly given the Cards success with LaRussa at the helm.
That being said, I would be lying (and frankly pretty naive) if I wasn't at least somewhat skeptical when someone says something like "If they don't pinch run for him then it's nothing to worry about."
Pretty sure that was tongue in cheek
lol
he did great in AAA
dang it
This ain't the Buccos kid
It would be nice if
World Series hangover
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong but
It does....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
Exciting players bring excitement
But seriously... there are a lot of very non-exciting players on both sides of the fields today.
by redbird2006in on Apr 26, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Our announcers
I watch a lot of games on Extra Innings and its embarrassing how lame, especially, Al is. He is such a complete and utter apologist for the team and the players.
After Eckstein's error in the 9th last night, Al says, "Nobody feel worse about than David, and he'll be the first one to tell you that he should have had it." Maybe a little analysis---like why he's made 4 errors already this year after making only 6 all last year---would be welcome there instead of making sure that viewers don't think poorly of Lil David.
i have marty and thom
Nothing new here
I would be fine with a nice pair like Carpenter and McLauglin.
what the?
randy kiesler
Let's see if he complains again when
I'm no expert
How's Narvie been looking?
I don't know about
I've got some
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
5 hits
weather
apparently it's raining red homers...
by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 26, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles
Yesterday
"The club backed off from Chris Narveson this spring and Blake Hawksworth has done nothing to change organizational opinion that he is not ready for this level. Mike Smith received consideration when Keisler was promoted."
Given that ML hitters have figured out Keisler and that a switch should be in order if Carp isn't read, I can only guess Mike Smith would be next.
But can anyone explain why no Narveson?
Why no Narveson
Brian Lawrence is available after the Rockies DFA'd him. He gave up a bunch of homers in ST and his rehab assignment, but he'd cost league minimum and was a solid starter a few years ago. I'd guess that if Carp's elbow swells up again after pitching off the mound this weekend we might look at him.
SKIP!
Wow, a line drive
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
And wow
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols
Did they just say Chris was out today
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Yahoo says:
Dunno about Chris, but that may have been what you heard.
dang it
Oquendo had no business sending him
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
are we the only team in the league
In this AB
Then he shoots one the other way.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
Not close
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not watching the game...
hamilton is red hot
What's the story with Troy Cate?
by CardFaninVA on Apr 26, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
crap
Actually
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
rally time
duncan
Haven't Heard
This should mean that he'll be in the lineup against Rich Hill this weekend.
yikes
ST LOUIS LEFT FIELDER CHRIS DUNCAN WAS SCRATCHED FROM THE STARTING LINEUP DUE TO A HEAD INJURY.
duckin' duncan
by thatsawinner on Apr 26, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
working...
Well, historically,
oh
kennedy
Oquendo has learned
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
So...
miles
they didnt say what miles did though
SKIP!
And Pujols is coming up
Who is this team
by BTown Birds fan on Apr 26, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Schumaker
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Nice.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols grounds into DP
scotty ballgame
s'ok
no LOOGY warming up in Reds pen
inning over
and what did i say about that rally :)
Geesh
Good inning.
Hitting the ball hard
A little flick and the ball's carrying deep into the outfield. He gets a good look and puts the hips into it and he'll tear a ball into the stands.
He's looking good.
can anybody describe albert's at-bat to me?
Fooled bad on a changeup earlier
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse
look at the espn fantasy notes
Love the rally, love the fight
That hurts just a bit.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
I'd like to see
Bullpen game next week with Thompson starting.
i agree with CardFaninVA
if you're jerry narron
speezer!
John, who?
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't know...
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice!!!!
My yahoo box score is broke
by redbird2006in on Apr 26, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
about that
7 hits in the last 1 plus innings
will you effing look at this
WOW
what's going on?
bad news
LaRussa is a chimp
the hitter is batting over .400, including a hit his last time up aginst this pitcher....
...and TLR has him bunting!!!!
How many outs has this team given the opposition so far this year with our various offensive "plays," and for how many runs?
Shannon
Now for a K...
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
at least
That must have been one magic breaking ball
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
preston
lohse at 100 pitches!
miles flies out
Yeah, at a breaking pitch
I'd have to assume the camera in CF isn't adjusted right or the ump blew the call.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a 3rd option
:0
I'd love to see an analysis
Someone should show Tony a chart of our multi-run innings this year, and point out that none of them has featured a "small ball" play.
If you play for 1, that's all you'll get, unless you're the Cardinals, in which case you'll probably get zero.
bring in johnson to face dunn?
by willievinceterry on Apr 26, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
stretch time
i stand corrected
by willievinceterry on Apr 26, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Mystery solved
Good to see our middlefielder
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
SKIP!
Todd Coffey to come in and face Pujols
if
by Birds on the Matt on Apr 26, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Against Marquis tomorrow
Dunc-Edmonds-Skip
Skip batting second and Duncan moved to an RBI spot?
Let's see if
Skip must not like Memphis
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
So Contributed today, too, though
With the outfield set in Memphis, I wonder if they'll try to use Skip down there as he'd be used with the big league club... Use him as the first bat off the bench/defensive sub. It would be something of a demotion, but would let him develop the habits he'll need to stick around next time.
fielder's choice
thom thinks it may be interference
every time i see coffey sprint in from the bullpen
by willievinceterry on Apr 26, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
edmonds at bat
rolen flirting with .800 ops
imperial!!!
14 hits
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
you know you don't
by jojo5492 on Apr 26, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
aw man....
wow
In case anyone missed it....
ESPN isn't covering it, so I can't find video.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
article on it
Sucks to end a 12 game hitting streak that way.
by dontEATnachos on Apr 26, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Walked off under is own power.
Hockey Interlude
He got off the ice, a trainer sewed his lip back on. Meanwhile, Tony Twist beat the snot out of the guy who'd slashed him.
In the third period, Pellerin comes back with his face put back together and scored a goal.
That was a great game.
No AB
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
noone
by longhornscardinals on Apr 26, 2007 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
I'm feeling the same way.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 26, 2007 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as
by longhornscardinals on Apr 26, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
We need an emergency catcher
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
Well, I believe Yadi would have
I just get disgusted seeing teams run on the Redbirds when Yadi is on the bench.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
franklin
so glad we got that run back.
by thatsawinner on Apr 26, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like it'll be izzy time
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
salomon Torres
Does anyone know
say it again raisin!
Duncan is so good
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
duncan
Nice.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
duncan scores
Cards.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
and
by Birds on the Matt on Apr 26, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"when carpenter and mulder are healthy"
just sayin'.
Ugh.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 26, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
rain
Duncan had a head injury?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
hit his head on an overhang
Shannon
given what i've heard of him
by jojo5492 on Apr 26, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hotel room?
by rjg001 on Apr 26, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Bernie:
It wasn't a hotel...his apartment...
He was rushing down the steps and there's an overhang and he forgot to duck and it gashed the top of his head. they shaved the area and gave him 12 stitches.... he arrived at the ballpark at noon.
--B
never thought of this
mlb4u.com
http://www.mlb4u.com/team.php?team=St.%20Louis%20Cardinals
Sweet, just what we need....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 26, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Uh-oh!
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Flores threw for
by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 26, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time...
Not really
Hamilton took forever to get out to the plate, he was in the dugout for some reason delaying his at-bat. Wouldn't be suprised if it was a Narron stalltactic.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
Tarps out, light rain
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this better end soon
But what does Joe Buck
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually,
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know
I can't believe
so yeah
I get to save the Tums
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 26, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Oh those cubbies
The Cubs on the other hand have an expected record of 12-9.... 4 games off of their real 8-13 record.
A 12-9 cub team would look a lot more intimidating.
by redbird2006in on Apr 26, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Rematch!
by Birds on the Matt on Apr 26, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
A sad sad day today
Got to give it to the guy
Hard to believe
A sweep
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 26, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions






















