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Game 12 Open Thread: April 16, 2007

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in his mailbag at the Official Site today, matt leach was asked: "What will the Cardinals do with their fifth starter (assuming it's Anthony Reyes or Looper) once Mark Mulder comes off the DL?" here's matthew's response:

If everyone is healthy and pitching well when Mulder is available to return from the DL -- and that's a big, big if -- the best guess is that Looper would not be the odd man out. They have pretty well committed to this change for him. No one views it as an experiment; I do not expect him to go back to the bullpen unless the bottom completely falls out.
my emphasis added --- and you can probably guess why. if looper's not the odd man out --- and it's certainly not going to be carpenter (who, even if he's scoped, probably will be back on the mound for st louis before mulder) --- that leaves three other candidates: wells, wainwright, and reyes. . . . . not much doubt about which of those three has the thinnest margin for error. it'd probably behoove mr reyes to start stringing some good starts together.

pretty good discussion about anthony in this diary.

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Yeesh
I almost wish they'd trade the kid so he can have the chance to pitch his way in the big leagues. Too bad we wont be able to get much value for him, having driven his stock so low. Who wants to trade for a kid who we replaced with Braden Looper?

by TICY on Apr 16, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

He has his chance right now, and
It's up to him to go out and get it.

I like Reyes, he seems like a nice kid and a decent pitcher, but take away two of his MLB starts and... well... he still has something to prove. Go out and earn your job, Anthony.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is where i disagree
Ya, he can earn his job.. pitching entirely differently than the way that got him a scholarship at college, drafted, and the honor of being the system's #1 prospect. I feel like if we actually can find a taker to trade for him the first thing they will say to him is

"Forget everything the Cardinals taught you; Pitch like you did in AAA."

by TICY on Apr 16, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy had a
5.06 era and a 1.38 whip last year. he deserves a shot at a starting role, but I dont get why he should have a longer leash than anyone else.

The demotion is his to lose right now.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya
This has been heavily discussed and argued across the St. Louis blogosphere, and I agree he should not get a longer leash than anyone else. But for the love of god, don't put the kid back in the minors so he can reinvent the wheel and become a marginal groundball pitcher.

Trade him and end the madness.

by TICY on Apr 16, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree to agree and disagree
A change of scenery would probably do him some good... but I'll never understand an up and coming pitcher not doing whatever Duncan says to do. Yeah, a 93 mph fastball and good change can make him dominate AAA, but that's nothing special on the MLB level. He gets a killer 2-seamer, and he actually has an aresenal to work with. Maybe he has to saty in AAA for another year (last year, if it wasnt for the craptastic MLB staff), but it prolongs his career by years.

Apples to oranges comparison: I, at the age of 26, get a Junior Network Admin job, working for one of the best Network Administrators the world has ever seen. As he tries to help me out more and more, I take in what he's saying, but I don't fully process it b/c damn it, I've been a net admin for six years now and I'm already damn good at my job.  Yes, I (re: Reyes) will still be able to do my job, but why won't I listen to my legendary boss (re:Duncan)? B/C we're hard headed idiotic 20 somethings.

I really just don't wan him to go marquis on us.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

change up
it's not just "a change up" it's the devastating change of death. batters had the lowing batting plus slugging of it then any other change in the league. what's worrisome is how it's gone awol.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

er, small sample...
... Kid Reyes hasn't even gotten around the league once yet. let's not crown him their heir apparent to Hoffman's changeup just yet.

by kindred on Apr 16, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was exaggerating
but it is a very, very good pitch when it is working, one of the better ones in the game. and how many pitchers wish they could even throw a change up?

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another Thing...
It also hasn't helped that he has been jerked around so badly by the management and front office when he has been in the big-league rotation.  He is always given fifth-starter status, meaning he never pitches on a regular schedule.  Then he gets rained out the other night and moved back again.  The kid, to me, has just never seemed to be able to catch a break when it comes to being a regular rotation member.  If indeed Mulder does come back and is healthy and effective (not holding my breath on that one), I'd say Reyes would be a prime candidate to be traded for a bat...

by moser34 on Apr 16, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also noticed in his last start that he had Bennett
Was that the case for both of his starts?  Seems like you should have Yadi out their for the starters who need the most help, but that hasn't really been Tony's strategy the last couple of years.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 16, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm starting to skip
Reyes starts in favor of "date night". i really like the guy, but he's such a freaking enigma I can't bear to watch anymore. If he throws another 100 pitch 5 inning game with 3 or 4 walks my head grow into a replica of Don King's.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

re reyes
maybe baby reyes just isnt that good? that is a possibility. i have never quite understood the hype around him. his k/bb rate in the minors was fantastic, but he seems to have trouble even throwing strikes in the big leagues. he rarely gets past 5 innings.

to be a starting pitcher takes consistency. maybe he just isnt very consistent.

i also dont see how getting taught a new pitch, would ruin a pitcher. he can wave off yadi anytime and throw whatever, whenever he wants. he may have tlr and dunc to answer to, but if he dominates, that should be an easier conversation.

you dont think dunc has said to the kid, do it your way, and if you can get past 5 innings then we wont bother you.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

easy now...
... there isn't a chance in hell that everyone is "healthy and pitching well" when Mulder is able to come off the DL. and i'm including Mulder in that consideration. IF Carp is healthy, and IF Mulder is healthy, and IF Wells hasn't gotten crushed by injuries again, and IF Reyes is still healthy (he still hasn't pitched more than 160 innings in a season, right?)... well, all of them won't be pitching well.

and if they all are, Wainwright might be the one to get moved, if Izzy goes down or if the bullpen scuffles at all. TLR/Dunc wanted to leave Wainwright in the pen this winter, but Jock couldn't sign any starters besides Wells, so they were mostly forced to move him into the rotation. if one of the five has to go to the pen, i'm guessing it's him.

by kindred on Apr 16, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm willing to bet
that by the all-star break, Wainer is one of the top 30 starters in the NL. I really think he's gooing to be something special.

Moving the new, work fast, pound the bottom of the zone Looper to a set-up role or even a closers role in the pen would make sense. the guy, for the first time in his pro career, has learned to pitch. And he looks effective and confident.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

15 teams in the league
best two starters each... But I guess you;d subtract the Nats, Mets, Pirates... carry the denomonator...
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree...
... but if everyone is healthy and pitching, i'd bet he's the one to get put in the pen. that's all.

by kindred on Apr 16, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kid just can't miss bats
He gets a head in the count, but can't seem to put them away.  The four seamer just doesn't have enough movement and the 2 seamer doesn't change speeds enough to keep a batter off balance.  I hope he peppers that change all night, seems like its his only hope...

by Jonathan23 on Apr 16, 2007 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm seeing a lot of good arguments here,
on both sides of this. I think AR is at the point now where he's got to grab his opportunity by the throat and hang on. After four or five more disappointing starts even his greatest defenders are going to cool down a little bit.  There IS an answer to all these questions about him, and its his time to sink or swim.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

this isn't so much about reyes
as it is about the organization. the days of building the rotation via free agency are over --- the cards have to grow their own pitching from now on. getting reyes established should be a very high priority; is he's forced to prove his worth with every start, and has to take a back seat to pitches like braden looper, that's not good for the long-range health of the organization.

most of the best teams in baseball right now are built on young pitching. look at the 4 lcs participants of last season: athletics, tigers, mets, and cardinals. the a's and tigers have their young pitchers in place, and the mets and cards are both moving in that direction. notice how even the spendalot new york teams passed on overpriced veterans this winter? they're filling their rotation holes with cheap youngsters like wang, maine, pelfrey, and hughes. the chisox dumped one big contract (garcia) for cheap young arms, and they're going to let buerhle go too; they're putting their future into the hands of gio gonzalez, john danks, and gavin floyd. the angels will sink or swim with saunders and santana and weaver the younger.

all the smart and successful organizations are moving in that direction, and it's the way the cardinals have to move if they're going to keep up. anthony reyes can help them get there ---- the organization needs create the conditions in which he can succeed.

trapping him behind looper and mulder is not the way to get there.

by lboros on Apr 16, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100 percent. But if I'm advising AR
himself, at this point I'm telling him he's got a nice chunk of starts coming his way in the next 2-3 months and dammit, now is the time to figure this shit out!

It doesn't help him that Wainwright, with about the same ML exposure, seems to have things working pretty smoothly.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, anthony might make or break
his career in st louis over the next 2 months.

but 2 months is too short a time frame. danny haren took longer than two months to get established --- a lot longer. alan benes hadn't shown anything after 2 months, nor after a full season.

reyes is being given a 2- to 3-month make-or-break period. but what if he needs more than 2 or 3 months to get it all figured out --- will the organization have the patience to let him develop?

i hope they will. they're gonna need pitchers like him to step forward.

by lboros on Apr 16, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to look back at
what we were saying about Haren BEFORE the trade to Oakland. Because at this point, Reyes has had the same number of starts in his ML career as Haren did with the Cardinals when he was traded, and Haren at that time had just a few more innings than AR does now.

It seems to me that a lot of the howling about the Mulder trade took it as a given that Haren was already a hot commodity; now you're saying, in essence, that Haren wasn't developed at the time.  (I'm not accusing you personally of flip-flopping on this, I don't know what you were saying at that time.)

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never have flip-flopped
i was wrong about that trade from the start. i thought the cardinals were in a win-now position in 2005 --- they had an aging team that was ready to win, and i felt it was rational to play for the short term at that time. jocketty had one last chance to win with the walker / sanders juggernaut lineup, and he went for it --- a bold gamble. it backfired, but sometimes you just gotta go for it.

this is not one of those times. the cardinals won 83 games last year, and they're even older now than they were in 2005. taking a short-term view no longer makes sense; they have to plan for the future. that might mean we have to stay with some youngsters while they struggle.

by lboros on Apr 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's possible to be right about
something even if things turn out badly later, IOW, the Mulder move was a good one, given what we knew at the time.  And yes, I liked it as well.

We're essentially in agreement. I love the idea of rebuilding with youth, going so far as to be accepting of mediocrity for the short term to build for the long term.

As for AR, I think his critics and his defenders both got some data tonight.  The half-full glass is the fact that he settled down in innings 2-5.  And he still has his own future in his hands.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be interested to see
The pitch-by-pitch data for this game that you guys are compiling this year.

And don't envy whoever's task it is to figure out which pitches Reyes is throwing.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

SilentBob re: Ryan
They've only been showing clips of BJ Ryan, but he really was dropping his arm slot from what he was before and hitching his arm action...and still not doing anything with his lower half.  Strained ligament my ass, he's blown that out Liriano style.
Pujols < .200

by joker24 on Apr 16, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

dont get me wrong tho
i like reyes and am rooting for him. he certainly has potential. he has had success galore in the minors. he has also had some great pitching performances in the majors. the 1 hitter against the white sox comes to mind.

i just dont think we have seen enough to know whether or not he is a AAAA pitcher or a big league one, regardless of 2 seamers or pitching gameplans.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

guess that ends the greinke slobfest
wow, did everyone LOVE HIM after two starts.

tonight he was removed after recording two outs and four earned runs in the bottom of the first.

he could still be pretty good, but let's tone down the praise-o-meter a bit.

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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.
That I-Rod grand slam was hit into next summer over the centerfield wall...
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 16, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other news
eric milton has thrown 55 pitches to the brewers through 2 innings. suffice to say i am not a big believer in the cincinnati reds.
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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't really buy
this argument of reyes being AAAA. maybe it would bear some research on finding guys who had 4-1 k-bb rates and struck out a batter an inning who wound up as busts/AAAAers. i'm sure it resembles more of an infirmiry list then it does anything else. there is no reason for reyes not to be successful as at least a #3-4 starter based on his MLE's.

he's either a) hurt b) out of whack mechanically, and think the video jeff albert did proves that's probably not the case. c) being messed with by some goofy coaching.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Solid.
Solid lineup for the Cardinals tonight.  It might be the best everyday lineup they can put on the field right now.

D. Eckstein ss
C. Duncan lf
A. Pujols 1b
S. Rolen 3b
J. Edmonds cf
S. Spiezio rf    
A. Kennedy 2b    
Y. Molina c

Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 16, 2007 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

i was just
thinking that. not sure how that could be improved upon, given the current roster.
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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 man rotation
why not a six man rotation? it would protect all the arms from pitching too much, which seems like a big concern given our contracts with carp and mulder and our young arms. if everyone is doing well, why would we have to demote anyone. of course, if reyes puts up a 5.0 plus era, then he kind of forces the choice. but i see no reason why we should demote a pitcher only to have to bring him back up the next time someone blows out his arm. you know that none of these guys are exactly safe bets given their histories. instead of bullpen sessions, the pitchers could hold out for long relief roles or the like, replacing hancock's psuedo role.

by johnstonburg on Apr 16, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wells
He's only signed for a year.  If he continues to put in good work between now and the time that Mulder comes back, I would think that he would be the most logical piece to be put on the block.  It would make sense for the Cards, who would have him under control for only a few more months and who have shown a disinclination to give guys like Wells the type of multi-year deal he is working on "earning" this year.  And it would make sense for the trading partner, which would be more interested in getting a veteran arm for the stretch run than, for example, a guy with a lot of potential but with whom LaDuncan have some problem.  

by tdawg on Apr 16, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

One consideration
Wells chose St. Louis and is quoted multiple times as saying Duncan was a huge part in that choice.  Just saying, you never know...
Pujols < .200

by joker24 on Apr 16, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm..
our "goofy" coaches just won us the world series. sorry, if reyes would just perform all these excuses wouldnt be needed.

i pray he pitches well so the reyes apologists and conspiracy theorists can just stop. it's ridiculous. he hasn't proven anything yet, so we should fire dunc and tlr to make room for the kid?

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

and i love them for it
and am certainly not stupid enough to say TLR and DD are bad coaches. They are great coaches, TLR is deservedly headed for the HOF. Doesn't mean they are perfect, and favoring Reyes for Ponson last spring, then favoring looper for Reyes this year (as it appears they will at least) is goofy. taking a power pitcher and telling him not letting him pitch to his strengths is goofy.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

er
not letting him pitch to his strengths that is. i write too fast and forget to proofread sometimes.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the coaches wouldn't have won anything
without reyes' performance in game 1 of the world series. you might say that since reyes just helped win us the world series, he ought to be given a certain amount of trust.

and nobody's suggesting tony / dave should be fired --- no matter what happens with reyes. but they are not infallible.

by lboros on Apr 16, 2007 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they also wouldnt have won
w/out Reyes, Supp and Weaver being lights out and Yadi being the the clutchest HR hitter ever. thats major devis advocate/
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 16, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's ridiculous.
  1. not sure to what extent the coaches won the world series. i think the players, particularly the pitching staff, had quite a lot to do with it.
  2. one of those pitchers was, in fact, anthony reyes, who pitched eight superb innings to win game 1.
  3. many people, here and elsewhere, have noticed that tlr seems to develop emotional affinities for certain players (e.g., so taguchi) and disdain for others (e.g., anthony reyes) that appear not to make sense based on the numbers. doesn't mean there's not some other basis for them, but just not by the numbers. and this frustrates people who would make different personnel/playing-time decisions (e.g., demote/cut so, stop jerking reyes around/making him insecure in his rotation spot).
  4. reyes was a stellar pitcher in the minors throwing a four-seam fastball; duncan has more or less required him to learn a two-seamer as a prerequisite for making the rotation; the process of learning and incorporating the two-seamer has coincided with reyes struggling more than some people expected, leading them to believe the addition of the two-seamer has hurt reyes' progress rather than helped.
  5. pointing out 3 and 4 does not really make anyone an "apologist," and certainly not a "conspiracy theorist."
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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes ad nauseam
So what do you do from here? Allow Reyes to struggle? Try to change his approach? Compromise? At what point does one of these two very strong willed parties give in? I say that neither will yield.

by bdief on Apr 16, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not saying they are infallible
i didnt agree with the ponson/reyes situation last year, but so far braden looper has outpitched reyes.

i guarantee you reyes has had games where they let him do whatever he wanted, and it was probably the 100 pitch 5 inning performances..the theory is most likely to get him to pitch to more contact with a 2 seamer so he can go more than 5 innings.

he would have had a chance to come up as wainwright did but he is too "fragile" to pitch out of the bullpen, even.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

If we could get an outfielder?
I would trade Reyes tomorrow. Seattle may be willing to move Suzuki since he is a free agent to be. I know he is mainly a singles hitter but there have been a lot of innings this year already that I would have loved to have a singles hitter coming up instead of who did bat that inning (Wilson, Schumacher, etc,). Juan E. may be back later but he should be a fourth outfielder anyhow. He would still get a lot of AB's with Edmond's health issues and giving days off to the others.
As far as replacing Reyes starts, I'd be happy with most anyone from our AAA staff. I'm just not as sold on Reyes as others are. I say deal him while someone else is sold on him.

by deanj on Apr 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure reyes gets ichiro, but:
ichiro
duncan
pujols
rolen
edmonds
kennedy
eckstein
molina

that actually doesn't look as good as i thought it was going to before i started. the bottom of the bottom half of the order still looks awful. helpful to remember that by moving eck down (which i don't think there's any question would be the right move in this case) adds 25 points of OBP to the leadoff spot (and 100 points of SLG).

ichiro's ops is only about .800, but that's a moderate improvement over instant breakfast, and his defense would be better as well.

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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"bottom of the bottom half"
or just the bottom half. this update brought to you by the dept. of redundancy dept.
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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd flip out
If Jocketty traded Reyes for Suzuki.

Reyes still has some development time and huge upside. He's only been in the system three years.

Ichiro's going to test free agency this coming winter.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont think he ever had a chance to just pitch?
read 3 nights in august, tlr couldnt get stephenson to not throw fastball after fastball.

your argument that the coaches played no part in the win, but yet have so much control they can single handedly ruin the career of a pitcher, doesnt fit..

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing I like about Reyes
is his demeanor on the mound.  Unlike B.Betty and Weaver (at times last year), Reyes doesn't make you feel like he needs to be slapped sometimes.  Even with the circus socks he looks like he means business.  

by bobeans on Apr 16, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's go guys
Win one tonight.

ESPN is reairing last year's HR derby since they were set to air the Mets game.  Why couldn't they just get bonus coverage instead?

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

What's going on?
My ESPN GameCast froze at 1-2 to Sanchez, after like 4 foul balls.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 16, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Badness
Sanchez singled, LaRoche singled. Bases loaded, one out. Boo.

by six on Apr 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes is the weak link this year...
without a doubt. The kid just doesn't seem to have it.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 16, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

25 pitches with 1 out
that is his problem.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Dan said it..
ON FSN "Need a strikeout here or a double play" This is where a new/different "out" pitch is needed.

by bdief on Apr 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

He's getting every batter to 1-2
but can't put em away.  This is really frustrating.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 16, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

When he misses, he really misses
He just needs to start firing some strikes.

by El Hombre on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you have in mind
to pitch the rest of the game?
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol
nice
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by nycbirdo on Apr 16, 2007 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, come on, Reyes
Walking in a run in the first? Not good.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
I think he has the stuff to get it done. But much like Wainwright, stuff only took him so far. At some point you must invest in learning and mastering the mental side of pitching. I mean look at Reyes, as was his problem last year, he gets 2 strikes, but doesn't know how to get that third strike.

by JMedwick on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh
Reyes...please get an out
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

he just can seem to get them to go after his
pitches. So i say just let him go out there and start throwing fastballs.

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

he gets them
to hit it into the ground but it keeps going for a hit....

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm putting my hopes on Yadi
coming up with a new strategy on the fly tonite.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Well,
at least the walk to Bay got my two points for my fantasy team.

Oh... heh. Sorry. Cards fans.

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Apr 16, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know why
LaRussa would have Hancock warming. I say let Reyes try to pitch his way out of this. He needs work, plain and simple. Taking him out and putting even more time between his last start and the current time is not a good way to get him into a groove.

by JMedwick on Apr 16, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...
Well, at least Reyes has a cool brim on his cap...
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

eh, I never liked it
Whenever I see Reyes' mug, I always yell at his picture, "Bend your hat!"
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

GAAAH!
I hate the way he wears his hat. It offends my delicate old-school sensibilities.

But Adam Wainwright... now there's someone who knows how to wear a cap.

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Apr 16, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far reminds me
of those Mark Mulder games last year. Painful.

by enoscountry on Apr 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

maddening
you cannot, just cannot, justify your position on a major league roster if you cannot throw strikes with the bases loaded. no excuse for walking in a run. or for starting the next guy with 3 straight balls.

i want him to succeed, i do. but he's not. do we really think narveson would do worse than reyes at this point? cause reyes ain't even earnin his paycheck, much less justifying sticking around when/if mulder comes back.

dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Apr 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

finally an out
after 41 something pitches
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

the ump wants it down the middle
and when he puts it there they either foul it off or get a seeing eye grounder

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't blame the ump
he has the most 'liberal' strikezone (ie: Pitcher's ump) in all of baseball.

Reyes is just sucking REALLY REALLY bad.  Pathetic is the word that comes to mind.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

he didn't
that last inning.  When the announcers comment on it, with the degree of snark they used, you know there's a problem.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINALLY
Took long enough.  At this rate, he goes 2 and 1/3 innings
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

this is painful
a marquis-esque first inning. 30 pitches in the first would be standard reyes; 50 pitches, 8 batters, and a crooked-number deficit after one inning is marquis territory. not good.

by willievinceterry on Apr 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess TLR knows more than us...
and this is why Reyes doesn't have the faith of the skipper.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 16, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

as long as snell
has to hit that same strike zone, we'll be fine.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

That is
Granted we don't just come up to the plate hacking. I've seen that wayyyy too much with this team. No reason to not work the count & not make Snell look like a stud.

by Pujols Is A God on Apr 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems
the Pujols at bat proved that wrong.

by ajo080s on Apr 16, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile.....
Jason Marquis is shutting down the Padres through 2.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh no...
There is nothing yet that can make me be nostalgic for Betty. Things have to get A LOT worse, which they aren't, before I start waxing wistfully for the dearly departed mental Marquis...
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess the offense
Will have to actually score some runs in this one.

Thompson pitched in the last two games, so these middle innings will have to be eaten by Josh Hancock.

Unless Reyes starts getting a whole slew of first-pitch popups.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

i swear
reyes is hurt. this just doesn't add up.

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

dang it
two away.  can albert keep us in the game?
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Only
if it was a Sunday.

by cards fan in colo on Apr 16, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
It doesn't look like Snell and Reyes are throwing to the same strike zone so far.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Apr 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Now if Albert can hit a grand slam wiht no one on.
... well be ahead after one just like after the first yesterday...

by Podlol on Apr 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

it seems
like the umpires expect him to we wild so they don't give him the border pitches.

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

GGGGRRRRRR I hate 1 pitch outs
esp with runners in scoring position.

by Podlol on Apr 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

your kidding me....
this will be a long year for reyes

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Long year for us
Too much like 2006 Marquis for my taste.

by madridbend on Apr 16, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

man i dont wanna go see Reyes on Saturday
...at least i might see Marquis implode

by adam21 on Apr 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I was at the game Reyes pitched in Houston
and it was the same, he'd get to two strikes, but then had no out pitch. It was just foul foul foul till they hit or walked. Did he have an out pitch last year?

by Podlol on Apr 16, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

That was
going to be my question. I'm just watching on Gameday. He may not be getting a lot of calls, but what do his pitches look like? Are they flat or is Pittsburgh just putting good wood on the ball? Seems like he cant put them away, I agree Podlol.

by Pujols Is A God on Apr 16, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

have no fear
don't worry. I just got to my seats.8-1 record last year. And my bill on my WS hat is still flat. Goooooo Reyes!  P.S. hello all happy baseball to you all

by snortyclaus on Apr 16, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

well
the good news is Rasmus is starting to hit in springfield.

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Good question
in the minors, what was Reyes' out pitch?

by JMedwick on Apr 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

His changeup
but it was set up with his high fastball, which duncan is hell-bent against letting him throw.

He's let loose with it this inning and looked a lot better.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what's the optimal usage of high heat?
You obviously can't throw it constantly unless you are Nolan Ryan.  Is that a pitch AR should be using once per PA? Twice? Thrice for every 2 PAs?

Isn't high heat more effective as an out pitch than as something that "sets up" something else?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently the optimal usage
is the way Reyes was using it.

The problem is that he/Duncan have completely eliminated one part of the strike zone. So the hitters just have to look for something down in the zone.

I like Duncan, a lot, but his fetishization of the ground ball has got to stop when it's obvious a pitcher isn't made to pitch that way.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How was he using it? Help me out here,
I've got limited access to this game, what's a good pitch sequence?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh
I'm not talking in terms of this game so much as when he was effective in the minors and the majors. It sounds a lot snarkier if it's interpreted the way it apparently came out, so I apologize for that.

Anyway, in the last inning he was throwing it to get ahead in the count, and hitters were swinging and missing. (He also got it up to 94, which I didn't see in his last start.) I think that sets up the rest of his repertoire--his main out pitches are that changeup low and away and fastballs on the corners, and when there's the threat something high and tight and tough to hit the batters can't just sit on the outside corner and hold up on the changeup outside of the zone.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no out pitch
duncan, tlr, the umpires, all wont let him get guys out..

i think even wainwright is in on it, FSN cut to him and duncan talking while watching reyes throw.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Or maybe he thinks he can still throw 94 mph
with good location and can't.

Seems like he expects hitter to just swing at whatever he throws up there and they are not in the least bit fooled this year.

Scouting report is out: Be patient.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 16, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, just 4 more scoreless innings to keep our
string of 6 straight quality starts  going. & if they don't score for the rest of the game tehn it will be 7 consequtive games giving up 3 or fewer. Come to think of it, the last bad game was by....Reyes in Houston.

by Podlol on Apr 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

sanchez
i have him on my fantasy team.  i want him to do well but not at the expense of my cards
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

kennedy
is an awesome second baseman.  He just always seems to be set up in the right place.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Just as
His fellow ex-Angel. What a nice combination in the middle infield.

by Pujols Is A God on Apr 16, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

comeon cards!!
let us get one of the patented bottom half of the order rallies!!

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

darn
first pitch ground out
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

nice recovery so far by reyes
if he can turn this into a quality start that would be wicked.

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Nine pitch inning
He looked good. Up to 81 pitches, now.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reports of Reyes' demise
are premature. However, we still can't effing score on a day of the week not named Sunday.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the first inning of any value
I (at least was) am a big Reyes supporter, but he just doesn't throw strikes and when he does, he doesn't throw quality strikes.  All three pitches have regressed, and his command isn't nearly what it was in the minors, his callup in '05 or the beginning of last year.  I'm not saying he won't ever find it, in fact I believe he definitely will, but he is not a good pitcher in his current state.
Pujols < .200

by joker24 on Apr 16, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not good
but he can't get better if he doesn't pitch. he salvaged some positives out of the start; sopped up 4 innings and kept the team in the game. i'm not watching --- i'm listening on the radio --- but he needed fewer than 50 pitches to get through the last 4 innings. he has pitched only twice in the last 16 days; might've been rusty. or maybe he made an adjustment after the 1st.

1st inning was frustrating, and in the heat of the moment a lot of people sound ready to write the guy off. i'm not there yet --- not after two starts.

by lboros on Apr 16, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lil Dunc
have you guys noticed that his new song for this year is the Dukes 'O Hazzard theme? kinda fitting. He also runs his ass off on EVERY groundout, kind of nice to see. Reyes also looked very good the last half inning. Why does he tug at our heart-strings so?

by snortyclaus on Apr 16, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

soriano hurt.
saw he left the game. who had game 12 in the pool?
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 16, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

from yahoo
CHICAGO CENTER FIELDER ALFONSO SORIANO HAS LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING WITH AN APPARENT HAMSTRING INJURY.
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Not all that bad an outing by Reyes
Hopefully he'll pitch like he did from the second through the fifth from the first through the seventh next time, now that he'll be back on a regular routine.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i left for a second and
reyes seemed to get his quality start

by tnek5 on Apr 16, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

quality start 6 innings
so he wont get that tonight, pinch hitter for him in the bottom of the 5th

by Rentboy on Apr 16, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The K King
Please don't strikeout
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

ha ha
After watching that at-bat, you have to wonder if he even paid attention to the first 60 pitches that snell threw tonight.  

Cazana!  At least when he strikes out he knocks the catcher down.

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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know
I've said this before, and many of you have as well . . .

but I cringe every time PW comes to the plate.

It's come to the point where a strikeout is nearly a given. Can we please go after one of those D-Ray outfielders soon . . . please? Carl Crawford, I want you on our team.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 16, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

extreme lack of hustle
no excuse whatsoever for paulino to not be at second base on that one.

Good inning, russ!  

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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

and it's ridiculous
to give kennedy an error on that one...
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols
When did Preston Wilson starting wearing #5?

by RedByrd on Apr 16, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

With two on down by three
in the seventh inning, shouldn't the crowd be standing right now. Come on, people!
Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Apr 16, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

dunno about them
but i am... cmon yadi
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

time for kennedy's
first hr of the year?

by jojo5492 on Apr 16, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

What a god-awful bench
Preston Wilson wasn't available, so the Cardinals had to go with Skip Schumaker with the bases loaded and the game on the line. Carrying Schumaker and Taguchi is just terrible bench construction.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

BB
Yadi, Skip PH for TJ
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh
Schu is dead to me...

I am on the bandwagon, bring back JROD!

by OCCardsFan on Apr 16, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

gotta do something
to keep the NL Central race interesting.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not a squeeze
with Skip up and only one out?  There's a good chance he bunts for a hit, right?  Lefty with speed?

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Gawd
we gotta score...

come on eck

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

well,
the way skip lit it up in spring training, it figured they would give him a shot.

hooray stranding the bases loaded.

by longhornscardinals on Apr 16, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

dang it
Dunc, Pujols, Rolen

They can hit yard, right?

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

gameday is slow
it's time to take skip for a long drive in the country and let him free..

by erik on Apr 16, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

After the 3rd out of the 9th inning...
Skip should be banished to Memphis. He brings nothing to the table.

Call up J-ROD now.

by bgh on Apr 16, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

A starter who's been nails all night
is OBVIOUSLY tiring, so what's Schu's approach? Hack at everything!

Ya gotta have a little bit of brains to succeed in baseball, Skip.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 16, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Those were strikes
Whether he swung the bat or not.

I have no problem with using Skip there. He hit a nice line drive in his last AB. It sucks that he couldn't get the job done there.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think
the first two were.  Up and in and then low and in, though gameday only says the second one was "in".  The third one was a very, very nice pitch, probably an unhittable strike, which would have been completely take-able if he hadn't wasted his first two strikes.

Anyway whether it was snell or schu, he was massively overmatched.

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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

why
do you even give him a bat??  could maybe somebody have his third strike?

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

good job dunc!!!
the boy is growing up!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

holy cow duncan
that gold glove might yet be within reach!
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy Shit!
Chris Duncan!

Larry Walker is doing a dance around his living room right now.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan should start in center...
gold glove candidate?
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by _pistol_ on Apr 16, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

lil' dunc
makes the ESPN highlight reel.

of course if SoTag is there, he catches it on the run.

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

So gets to it on the run, sure,
but god knows if he actually catches it.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

on a bounce maybe
have you seen so play this year?
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually
I recall a few game saving catches by So.

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is it!!
lets go cards!!  we can do this!!  i love it when you make a great play and then up first the next inning... cmon duncan!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

holy sh*t
a 1-2-3 inning from hancock.   i am stunned (and pleased).

by sdesserman on Apr 16, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunc
Would've caught that.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan gets on...
I just may be sold on this kid.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

yes
first step: check

duncan is freakin' awesome.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

good duncan
no out
can pujols tie?
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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

yikes
pujols just seems OFF. can we call his wife in?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen,
gets things Rolling?

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

pujols
someone call pujols' wife and get her back to watching tape

by truemun12 on Apr 16, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

they did NOT
have Albert ground out to advance the runner, did they?  Down by 2 in the 8th????

by lordsummer on Apr 16, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

this is way off topic...
...and probaly doesn't belong in a game thread, but i was sitting here refreashing this over and over and was wondering about the update to this site. is there an update about the update?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

the look
albert dosnt have it... you can see it on his face...but he can find it... couple of good games and hes back...

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully so.
This team is truly sunk with both him and Rolen struggling like this.

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Jimmy
Tie this.  You're really, really due.

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen
His bat speed seems down to me also.

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

A walk
and a patented Speizio triple would go down smooth right now.

by lordsummer on Apr 16, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

jimmy
not much of a hit, but it looked like he was seeing the ball well--and that's the first time I recall thinking that about edmonds against a lefty in some time.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 16, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
he didn't chase horrible pitches.  That's about all you can ask at this point.  Come on Speezer

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

JIMMY!
Nice to see that!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

jimmy !!
we will take a bloop RBI...  good job!!!  come on speezer

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a nasty pitch
A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Apr 16, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

i guess there are weirder things
in baseball than a kennedy, molina, and somebody-not-named-schumaker rally

by lordsummer on Apr 16, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

somebody just saw
tony pitch skip into a cab....

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Which means that someone pitched
John Rodriguez in a cab going the other direction, right?

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

man
that really needs to happen!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get your hopes up
La Russa likes his pinch hitters to take aggressive at-bats late in the game.

And Rodriguez hasn't had a hit since April 8th.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly
if i was him, and got sent BACk to memphis, again, so that skip schumaker could start the season in STL, again, I would have gone on a 4 week bender.  
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is
not too bad. Now, in the bottom of the 9th, we can unleash the wrath of Aaron Miles. Mwuahahahaha.

by Pujols Is A God on Apr 16, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Kennedy, Molina, Miles/So/Bennett...
That's not looking good, if we can hold 'em.

by bgh on Apr 16, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh.
these days, I don't even know anymore.

A hit and a walk, and it gives Duncan a chance to do something.

And Saloman Torres has had issues with the Cardinals this year.

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So's track record in the 9th is pretty good...
its those other innings that are such a problem.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 16, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

You knew A Kenedy could go to the left
but did you ever see one go so far right?

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

incredible
i'm convinced... he's an excellent second baseman.  If he can put up average results with his bat this year i'll fill out 300 all-star ballots.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a joke
get it... A Kennedy going left or right versus a Kennedy (e.g. Ted Kenedy) going left or right.

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well played, sir.
totally missed it- the "no politics" part of the baseball blog culture made even something that obvious get by me.  in retrospect it was quite funny.

still, AK is a heck of a second baseman ;)

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by SleepyCA on Apr 17, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

obviously i don't know much baseball,
but if you've sunk all that non-hittingness into having a kennedy-eckstein double-play combo, shouldn't you pitch DOWN in the zone with one on???

by lordsummer on Apr 16, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Belli could have been had for 1-YR/$750K...
...Instead, we got Kennedy for 3-YRS/$10M...Wow.

by bgh on Apr 16, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh....
If Hancock doesn't hold them here, it won't matter WHAT our suspect offense does in the bottom half.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

hello!!!!
awsome!!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

once again
great play... up first...  come on kennedy turn it on!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

ah, the real
hancock rears his ugly arm and lucks into a dp.   way to put the runners on to set that up.

by sdesserman on Apr 16, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

we;ll take it!!!
way to make it happen...  here we go!!!!!!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Attaboy Kennedy, atta boy...
C'mon Yadi! Do it!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

whos hitting
in the pitchers spot?

by alecoholics on Apr 16, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

did the pirates
get the memo that you try and find ways to win and not to try and find anyway possible to lose?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure how I feel about the sac bunt
when we're going to have to get through the bottom of the order anyway. Miles hitting for the pitcher.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it.
Encourage them to walk Miles for the DP while avoiding the potential DP with the incredibly slow Yadi. Solid move, in my opinion.

by bgh on Apr 16, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
We're bad.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles is awesome in the 9th
reference the two games in Houston before the all star break last year.

by enoscountry on Apr 16, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one would ever expect
a chris duncan squeeze...
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles
Good and nice for Kennedy to reach on an error.

Let's go Eckstein and Duncan

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 16, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Eck....
You MUST do this. Just tie it. That's all we need right now.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

ground out dp?
I'm sorry, but our luck can't hold out.

by Zubin on Apr 16, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on!
Be positive!
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

duncan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can you believe this?????????????

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Bases loaded for Lil' Dunc...
It's what we wanted...

Hooooboy.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

what just happened with miles?
i'm listening over the internet and Mike Shannon paints a picture like Jackson Pollack.
"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Apr 16, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Hits a little grounder to third
It hits the bag and pops up and over the 3b's head.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That HBP saved torres
from Eck squeezing home the tying run.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 16, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get jittery, Dunc
Don't swing at crap.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

albert
if this dont get him going.....

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

pujols
i honestly still do feel good about this.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

AP
in night games 1 for 26

by cards fan in colo on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

all right Albert
MAKE THIS YOUR GAME.

no time for slumps

by Valatan on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay Albert...
This is about as big-time slump-busting as they come.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

you cursed it!
you just had to log on...it doomed them.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

..... What?
I've been here for most of the game.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, well
you hadn't commented in awhile. i needed something/one to blame. <insert bad humor tag>

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blame Dunc and Pu....
Love Dunc, think he's a superstar in the making, while Pu IS a superstar but sure as hell ain't playing like it...
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

second that about both
re pujols: his struggles are at least raising my eyebrow. i just don't think he's seeing the ball.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gahhh....
Neither Dunc or APu can get it done. They tease us with hope and then leave us flat.
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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 16, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
that was anticlimactic.
Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
Pisser. We coulda caught the

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urgh...
We could've caught the Brewers.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
Pirates did everything they could to give that away and yet....

by FunkeeC on Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

great scott!!
over as quick as it started...  i sure was hopin for some fireworks!!

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

man...
they owe eck a steak for getting hbp to set the table for them

by lordsummer on Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

guess I'll
open up a bottle of the good scotch and try to think of something pleasant.
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by SleepyCA on Apr 16, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

sunday
nice to see once the day changes back to non sunday we are back to our offensive slump

by truemun12 on Apr 16, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

continuing to swing at pitches outside the zone
wow that stings... I'm not going to sleep very good after that one

by thewizard3 on Apr 16, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not Sunday...
or a day game, or Easter, or....oh forget it.

by Pujols for MVP on Apr 16, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

had to watch gameday tonite
would kennedy have had any chance of getting home on the duncan fly?

by adam21 on Apr 16, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

no...
fairly shallow and about 10 feet off the baseline. High pop fly

by thewizard3 on Apr 16, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no.
of course with the pirates, anything could have happened with the throw/catch/tag.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 16, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

um, not likely
it was shallow, but he wasn't even holding at the bag, he was a few steps away in case the ball was dropped.

by Molina4MVP on Apr 16, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had one out already
If he'd been caught, that would've been the third out and we'd risk keeping Pujols from batting with the bags juiced.

It probably wouldn't have been a close play--can't expect Paulino to screw up the same play twice within a week's time.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glasses?
Does AP need glasses for night games?  He is now 1 for 30!!!

by cards fan in colo on Apr 16, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I know still have the flu
because i didnt just see #5 pop up weakly to 3rd with two outs in the bottom of the ninth and the bases loaded, down by 1 run to the pirates. did i? i'm having a bad dream right? he didn't swing at a pitch that far inside did he?

this offense is pathetic. no matter how good your pitching and D is, if you cant score, you cant win. and the Cards cant score to save their lives.

gawd, i feel like crap.

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by gdm426 on Apr 16, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't sweat it
Wainwright pitches tomorrow and he gives up fewer than 2 runs per nine. We'll win, eventually, in extras.

by liam on Apr 16, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no chance
 with left fielder coming in, he coulda ran up and tagged the slew footed kennedy...  but you never know..  i wouldnt have chanced it no matter how bad alberts slump is... we've saw albert come through more times than not... from my living room i would have squeezed with eck to tie

by bennythejet on Apr 16, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert's performance just goes to show
that American ball players just aren't that good anymore.
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 16, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

best line of the night on here
wasd by OC when he quoted Karate kid II saying SHumaker is dead to me  now i am dead to you grandfather...haha
Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 16, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

poor charlie
even when the bucs win he cant get a comment.

by adam21 on Apr 16, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

crooked numbers
Not to beat a dead horse, but:

(6-6) Cards offense:

Sundays                        .356    10.0 runs per game
M-T-W-TH-FR-SAT      .223      2.0 runs per game

All of Pujols' HR/RBI have occured on sundays (in the day light)

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 16, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I just knew someone was going to hop on that -
and poke a hole in my scantily-researched data. Drat!

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 16, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

In the wake
of the VA Tech tragedy today(I live 90 miles NE of B'burg), my mind was totally not on baseball tonight. Looks like I didn't miss much, especially with Reyes pitching...

by cardsrul on Apr 16, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes pitched well...
Considering he hadn't pitched in over a week and was getting the ulitmate squeeze job by the home plate umpire (amazing how those same pitches were called strikes late in the game).  

After struggling through 47 (yup, I said FORTY-SEVEN...and his name isn't Carlos Zambrano) pitches in the first inning, he settled down and held the Buccos scoreless over the next 5 innings.

Don't blame Reyes.  If the kid could ever get on some sort of regular rotation, he might do just fine.

by Big Red on Apr 17, 2007 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes
Those are strikes you earn by throwing strikes.  It's amazing what an ump will do when you consistently pound the zone instead of (rust) pick around the plate in all counts.  Carpenter gets more calls than any power pitcher because he just throws strike after strike after strike.  It may or may not be fair that way, but it's only human nature.
Pujols < .200

by joker24 on Apr 17, 2007 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no way
the strike zone should change that dramatically in a stadium equipped with Questec (or however it's spelled).  I'd be willing to wager that ump doesn't grade out very well.

Besides, what exactly has Solomon Torres done that would get him calls over Anthony Reyes?  

The strike zone is the strike zone.  Baseball has made an effort to promote and enforce this.  Just because some stubborn umpire wants to dictate the game, doesn't make it right.

by Big Red on Apr 17, 2007 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Believe me
I'd have gone to a straight electronic strike zone a long time ago because of the frustration of watching that crap.  I'm saying that it's always been that way and always will be that way when people are involved.  Reyes established that he wasn't going to throw strikes fairly quickly...so borderline calls go the wrong way.  It's age-old.
Pujols < .200

by joker24 on Apr 17, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

reyes only went 5 innings
so 4 scoreless after the first. he only went 5 innings total, not good enough, that will kill our bullpen if he keeps it up.

by Rentboy on Apr 17, 2007 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

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