Game 8 Open Thread: April 10, 2007
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randy keisler carries a 6.82 career era into his start this evening. the only other cardinal starting pitcher i could find with a career era that high (min. 100 innings) was travis smith, whose sad duty it was to replace darryl kile in the rotation in 2002. he made 6 starts over the ensuing month, four of which could be called acceptably good (at least 5.2 innings, no more than 3 runs allowed). in the other two, he got creamed --- lasted fewer than 3 innings, allowed more than 6 runs. the cardinals split those 6 starts.
a few other examples of 6.00+ bird-on-bat starters:
- mike busby, a highly regarded prospect who got hurt and was never the same; he had a 6.48 era in 82 innings (6 starts)
- brady raggio: 8.10 era in 46.2 career innings (5 starts)
- brian barber: also once highly touted; 6.77 era in 93 career inn (16 starts)
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sonofa...
Leach says that Spiezo who is not feeling good will play. At least it is the Pirates.
Think I'd rather see
Hopefully Speezer can jack a multi-run HR in the first to put us well out in front and Miles can fill in for him and continue his transformation into a switch-hitting super-sub.
I mentioned in the last thread that he's appeared in 28 games at 3B, including 1 game for two and a third last season.
Strikeouts?
IP: Push
ER: Over
H: Over
BB: Over
K: Fewer than walks
I'll cross my fingers for Cardnilly's Suppan start expectations: 6IP 3ER.
The Pirates have hit lefties hard so far in this young season, second only to the Marlins in slugging percentage.
Bringing back an old bit
I rooted for him last season... He had a real nice minor league career and wanted to see him do well.
Not so much today, though.
According to (old school link for those who don't like the new one) today's gameday, Rolen IS starting at third, Miles at 2nd, SnoCones behind the plate... And to the pleasure of others and myself, Duncan's in left.
lineups
duffy cf
wilson ss
sanchez 2b
bay lf
nady rf
laroche 1b
paulino c
bautista 3b
gorzelanny p
cards
eck ss
dunc lf
AP 1b
rolen 3b
wilson rf
bennett c
miles 2b
gooch cf
keisler p
hate the lineup. i thought someone said rolen was out. edmonds wont be happy about this one tonight either. john rodriguez for right field!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 10, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
Derrick Goold's Bird Land
Great stuff, as usual.
Miles and Bennett?
With Bennett and Miles starting, it sounds like Tony is definitely treating this game as the bonus "getaway day" game even though it's only #2 out of 3. Might as well put So in center and Wilson in right and make it official.
Oh...
Nevermind.
Mmm, that lineup is hacktastic
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 10, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert strikes out a lot in the first w/ 2 out....
Keisler had a lot
Keisler has huge eyes. He's scary, but not
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
We're gonna get creamed tonight
Whew
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 10, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
P-dub
compared to a "K"
compared to the ball he hit 398 feet to dead center last night, scoring 2 runs, not so much.
or not,....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope I don't jinx it by pointing this out,
After saying that, Keisler'll give up 8 in the next inning.
by CardFaninVA on Apr 10, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
i blame this on you...
Ha!
The meanest thing I ever heard out of the crowd was when a team, down by 10 goals, attempted a pre-planned breakout scheme with the Illini employing the NZ trap. The crowd started chanting, "Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack!"
I lost it.
The "gimme a..." [spell out the goaltenders name], "What's that spell?" "PUSSY!" cheer is pretty freaking hilarious, too.
just had to say it
now say something
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 10, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to,
dammit cardfaninva
Tom Gorzelanny
Nice grab, Gooch.
Gorzelanny
Baybee Ruute!!
In a related note, we are swinging the bat like One-Eyed Willie tonight
gah
It's not like we're facing
Gorzelanny is gonna be a good one. If he stays healthy he'll be a dark horse cy young candidate imho. Maybe not this year, but 2-3 years from now when he's pitching for the mets (after littlefield trades him for a bucket of balls).
Nobody Missed
If you did miss it, you might not know that "there will be a lot of teams involved in deciding who goes to the playoffs this year."
I have a feeling that people are sending in questions just to bait the guy, now.
FJM.....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
AROD going 2006 Albert on the AL...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
Aaron Miles
What's up with all the jinxing tonight?
Edmond fouls a liner just past LaRoche's glove. Hrabosky says, "If he were a right-handed 1B, that might have been a double play."
Next pitch is lined to LaRoche, who doubles off Miles.
well
Our offense is hurting my eyes.
bring up the gameday audio
In his defense...
He'd better, because Rodriguez bat is hot, and he played an uneventful CF last night, as you know.
This is the order of the universe
by orlando card on Apr 10, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Now Pujols homers
by orlando card on Apr 10, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
2 on for Albert...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
but no cigar....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
2 weeks from now
and sick guy just earned his 2007 salary!
nice call - close enough to go extras
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 10, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
P Dubble play
by BigRedZed on Apr 10, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
that was just mean
I swear
The Pirate announcers are having a meltdown
Yeah, big time
Oh, definitely
not just Pirates announcers
Speezer!
by BigRedZed on Apr 10, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
Holy COW
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
well....
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 10, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Naturally
C'mon boys! It'll be a big morale booster if you pull this one out from the jaws of defeat....
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Wonder why
i've been down on pdub
Do we have any OFs on the bench?
by CardFaninVA on Apr 10, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Assuming Miles can play third
by CardFaninVA on Apr 10, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
announcers are right about
C'mon Flores
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
free baseball!!!
nice job randy
Free baseball...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
icky thump's projection wasn't bad
6 ip, 1 er, 4 hits, 2 bb and 3 SO
real:
6 ip, 2 er, 5 hits, 1 bb and 3 so
For a spot starter
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought that throw was headed for CF for a second
Steadycam?
by JoeBoy on Apr 10, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Cards...one thing I must note.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
I would blame it on Wilson
RNK GIDP AB
1 Garrett Atkins, COL 24 602
Adrian Gonzalez, SDP 24 570
3 Matt Holliday, COL 22 602
Jose Castillo, PIT 22 518
5 Brad Ausmus, HOU 21 439
6 Preston Wilson, STL 20 501
Albert Pujols, STL 20 535
I would never thought Albert and Preston were about even.
Leave Flores in?
Brad Thompson... He can pitch a few innings, if need be. Just keep it on the ground, Wonderbrad.
Hmm
No, no, Eck.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
not sure that
Uh-oh
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
Sure looked like it
Nice play
If I were a Pirates fan, I'd be complaining about Eldred not being pinch-run for.
Bob Walk is tearing into the Pirates
Agreed...
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 10, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
solid recovery
Same Old Pirates?
Battlin'
Great job by Thompson
Nice job by Thompson
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
ok
He just missed
Does anyone know
the bigger question
I Love that Tony
2 on, 1 out for Pu.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
even in the 11th
'course, that walk will help, at least a bit.
I bet
That foul ball was close to being caught. Too close.
Is that a size 5 collar for Albert tonight?
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
No, just 4
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Fangraph's has AP...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's up to Speez again.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols?
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
Wasn't a bad swing
he hasn't swung at
If we can pull this one out
sunova...
Question
C'mon, let's be realistic here. He's in a slump, he's also Albert Pujols...you can start worrying in at least a month.
that's fine
"not tonight"
Hmm...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Let's go Thompson, you twelve year old
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Thompson
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Just a note
Just a minor quibble though. You don't seem to give a shit about capitalization or spelling. I'm not a grammar Nazi, but the apparent lack of concern about these things throughout your posts really make your information needlessly difficult to read.
If you are looking for readership, you might gain more readers by paying attention to these things so that you don't get ignored by the people who are looking for good information wrapped in a decent presentation. You are obviously very educated and intelligent, so I'm not attacking your intellect. However, just a little attention would make a world of difference.
Keep up the great work.
by DuaneGarner on Apr 10, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
If you've read VEB for a while
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
Just be ready to come up with actual examples if you're going to criticize a writer.
um...
if you're referring to the commenters, well, we're just lazy and/or simultaneously watching mlb.tv.
anyone else....
Lots of people comment on it...
it might be a problem.
by DuaneGarner on Apr 10, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of people bitch about lots of stuff
Really?
aesthetics
Using no caps is hard on the eyes...
kind of like Julian Tavarez.
by DuaneGarner on Apr 10, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting in late on this.
wow
I dont know if you saw
VEB was 6 i believe? Content wins championships.
It isn't real hard to follow his posts, adapt.
NOOOOOoooooooooo! I think we're done
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
oh my
just dribbled in my pants a little....
Two truly pathetic offenses going at it right now
A three-defender collision
this game is hard to watch
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Improvement for P-Dub:
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Red sox fans call this guy...
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 10, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
And in case you didn't figure it out....
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 10, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, hey
let's go
wow
Scared of the mighty offensive machine
IBB. Bases loaded, one out for... Skip.
Ooookay. Do something, shoemaker.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
please don't squeeze here...
by willievinceterry on Apr 10, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
wow was that lucky
Yup
by iron duke75 on Apr 10, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
SKIP!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
I love Gary Bennet
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
wow
Gameday was so stunned that the Cards scored
What exactly is going on?
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta love playing those Buckos!
by cardsfaninmass on Apr 10, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
paulino = awful
...especially if you're hitting .138?
what the heck's...
Got it...
How they work
Thanks...
Never used the Fox Game Trax
not this again
by willievinceterry on Apr 10, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
Izzy...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
APu
by adam21 on Apr 10, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
capitalization
come on izzy!!!
double play, cardinals win!!!
by Rentboy on Apr 10, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
WOOO!!!
Birds on the Bat win....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 10, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Double play!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 10, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
that's a winner
by willievinceterry on Apr 10, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
Redbirds deserved to win
That's a Winner!
And the game ending double play was turned just as close as the rest of the game.
.500!!!
I was wrong earlier
No numbers, just feeling. Bad start for the Keez.
In Albert we trust.
by Mr Redbird on Tue Apr 10, 2007 at 06:20:07 PM CDT
And I'm happy about it :)
That was fun
My stars of the game
- Aaron Miles
- Gary Bennet
- Andy Keisler
by theguuch99 on Apr 10, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
well, if you do...
Randy
sno cones
Totally off topic....
I had to share this because quite frankly I can't believe what I am seeing.
My hitting tonight...
20-40, .500 BA, 2 runs, 0 HR's, 0 RBI's, 0 SB's, 1 walk
My opponents hitting...
2-38, .052 BA, 5 runs, 1 HR, 9 RBI's, 1 SB, 6 walks
Why oh why do I put myself thru this torture every year?
Nice win for the boys tonight!
by Pujols for MVP on Apr 10, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
let me guess
Close...
by Pujols for MVP on Apr 10, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY
but looking at those pitchers they belong chained up in Igors basement.
Yeesh
Around the division
If the Snakes can come back (down 4-3 to the Reds) and the Marlins hang on, our beloved Cardinals will be sitting at .500 and tied for the division lead.
Gameday Audio
Snakes tied up their game with the Reds. It'd be nice to wake up in first place tomorrow and have a ballgame hours away.
Pythagora is spinning in his grave....
im too good for a subject ;-)
Its a topsy turvy day when Pujols goes 0-5 and JD Drew is your hero...
6/23 2r, 1hr, 5rbi, 0sb, .704 OPS
and everything was done by Drew (except 2rbi)
really nice win
see you romorrow. good night.
play 12
great fun. let's do it again tomorrow in the snow if need be.
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 10, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like Rain
If Spiezio's still sick and with Miles' 4-5 day (with a double), wouldn't surprise me to see Miles at short to give Eck his first day off of the season, Taguchi in center, .571/.571/.714 line against Maholm, batting leadoff.
funny funny
why are there fireworks going off in pittsburgh right now? is it pittsburg day?
by Rentboy on Apr 10, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
All in all ...
Earlier, I watched Jason Marquis pitch one of those typically frustrating games where he survives 5 innings, runners on base constantly, but gamely pitches just well enough to lose. (and made Santo groan loudly in the booth)
Bottom line: Cards win / Cubs lose
Am I the only one
"They just need a competent GM and
Well, there's the rub. You make that sound like it's just a little tweak, but hiring the right GM and signing the right FAs are very large tasks. IOW, don't hold your breath for the Tiger-fication of the Pirates.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 11, 2007 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game tonight...
The Pirate faithful is ready to kill both Torres and LaRoche for their terrible (early) play.
Albert seems off-balance at the plate, having seen it up close now. He's got his legs seemingly further apart this year and when he strides, he doesn't merely pick the toe up and put it back down, he is lunging at the ball.
Still, thought he ended that game in the Top of the 9th.
Speizio and Pujols are lucky the Pirates didn't Butcher Boy there on the bunt for Eldred to 3rd because both were past the pitcher's mound before the ball was even thrown. It looked like a break out play with all the infield shifting and such.
The fireworks were just one of the many post night game fireworks shows the Pirates provide, but it got pushed REALLY late because of the extra innings. This, I believe, is the second year in a row that a fireworks game went extra, extra innings.
As far as Rolen and Speezer, didn't both have back spasms and the flu this time last year when in Pittsburgh?
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 11, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
They're already turning on Torres?
LaRoche I can understand...he was supposed to be an impact guy for them and he's been absolutely awful so far.
Yeah, they have a new video board
I told my girlfriend, he must call this one lightening and that one fire.
He stops to tie his shoe during the inning and she said "With all that magic, you'd think the shoes would tie themselves"
So, he gives up the hit to Speezer and she says "Guess he better give up on lightening and try fire out for a while".
When Izzy came in, I told her, Jason likes to make things interesting, challenge himself, like walking the bases loaded and then going 3-0 to the next batter before he really 'bears down'.
So Izzy walks the first batter and I put my hands on my head and say "What the hell is he doing". She says to me, "Walking the bases loaded, like you said!". That certainly lightned the mood.
Here are some photos from the game:
The Keisler Era Begins

How did we get into this mess?

Skip Delivers!

Score another one of the Good Guys

This wasn't necessary, but we were proud of the win, too

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 11, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the pics Hardcore
by BTown Birds fan on Apr 11, 2007 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Great pictures
The A's just beat the White Sox
Surprised that no one else was playing it, I had to buy that song myself after the Cards won the WS last year.
Saw that, too
Yeah, but what really hurts
And it can't hurt Podsednik
First Place!
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 11, 2007 1:03 AM EDT reply actions
How about that...
That Brewers v. Marlins game was suspended on account of rain, though, so we're in second place—tied with the Reds at .500.
Brewers have a .429 W%
We are tied for first with the Reds and Pirates.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 11, 2007 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Just cruel, man.
Sorry, Pirates.
Weaver
Weaver (L, 0-1)
Innings: 2.0
Hits: 7
Runs: 7
ER: 7
BB: 2
SO: 1
HR: 1
ERA: 31.50
Looks a lot like last year, i.e. before the trade. (By contrast, Marquis's got a 3.23 ERA. Give him time; he'll come around too.)
birds on the HAT???
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 11, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Were you thinking
by Birds on the Bat on Apr 11, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
green eggs and ham
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