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OOZ and Ahs: glove stuff

I love the Hardball Times. I literally could spend hours wading through stats there, and they just  keep improving, this time adding defensive stats by John Dewan. Dewan, former CEO of Stats INC and owner of Baseball Info Solutions has an improved version of his Zone Rating metric. For those of you who don't know, and I'm quoting this almost verbatim from THT's definitions, ZR basically is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. A fielders "zone" is considered to be the areas on a ball field in which at least 50% of batted balls are handled for outs. Zones are standardized and defined separately for each position. The revised version of ZR lists balls handled out of the zone separately and doesn't include them in the calculation, and also doesn't give players extra credit for double plays. These new improvements are believed to have improved ZR quite a bit.

I thought it would be interesting to note how Cardinal fielders faired in this system compared to their peers.

The "glider" Juan Encarnacion glided his way to a .642 ZR, good for a tie for 3rd highest in the NL with Brian Giles. He also made 15 plays classified as out of his zone (OOZ), the 5th highest mark in the majors at his position. His touted strong arm didn't make much of a difference, he was at the bottom of the pack when it came down to holding and cutting down advancing base runners. Unfortunately, Jim Edmonds, Chris Duncan and P-Dub didn't log enough innings to qualify for the system, so I don't really have anything to say about them. I'm sure most of you by now have seen some of the other metrics out there regarding how they fared. It would've been interesting to know how they did in this system, especially for all the fans out there who are fretting over Duncan's glove.

Scott Rolen continues to be the golden standard at third and the stats agree. His .767 zone rating was the highest in the NL for third-sackers and 2nd to only Brandon Inge out of all MLBers. His 66 plays out of his zone was the most of any third baseman and 4th most out of any major league player regardless of position.

David Eckstein has been more then adequate at short, his .841 ZR was 7th overall for major league SSs. His 43 plays out of the zone was middle of the pack. He also started and turned 42 double plays.

Adam Kennedy was a tic below average with a ZR of .817. His '05 campaign was much better when he posted a .843. '04 his ZR was .821. I've heard everything from AK is well below average to brilliant at the keystone. ZR says he's average, and usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. We'll find out in time. Don't discount the Jedi Master Jose Wan Oquendo factor, who's always taking on young padawan infield learners and has helped the game of many.

Albert Pujols had the 2nd highest ZR of any NL first baseman with .831. Nomar Garciaparra had an .835. But what really stands out is Albert's 93 plays that he made out of his zone, the most of any player at any position in the game by a whopping 25 plays. Any thoughts on why that is? I know he plays somewhat far to the right of the bag and all, but that's just nuts. The 2 players behind him are Willy Tavares (68) and Juan Pierre (67), both speedster center fielders. Albert's amazing, maybe that's the explanation. I have an email out to Studes asking what's up.

We know Yadi has a rocket arm, but I didn't know how good he was at blocking the plate. His wild pitch plus pass ball per game percentage was .28, 2nd in the majors behind Brad Ausmus (.21). That's in an improvement from his .39 in 2004 and .32 in 2005, and not a far cry from Mike Matheny's '04 rate of .27. His '05 caught stealing percentage of 55% is far and away the highest of any catcher's cs% in the last 3 seasons, and his 41% CS last season was the 2nd best in the majors behind Pudge Rodriguez. He held runners in check, they only attempted .55 steals per game, the best in the NL. His 77 assists was the best in the majors. Now if he could hit at least as well as he's projected to...

Bottom line, any free agent pitcher is nuts for passing on coming to the Lou, because the supporting cast is terrific. It's a big reason why the Cardinals year in year out win despite having a pitching staff with less then dominant stuff. (Carpenter aside, of course.)

Update [2007-3-4 10:15:20 by lboros]: baseball today, cards at marlins: gameday link. anthony reyes gets the start; lineups / notes at Birdland.

Update [2007-3-4 18:35:51 by erik]:I got my email reply from Studeman re: Albert's OOZ (that just sounds so wrong), he said it seems like a statistical blip and he said we fans would know better then he. lboros has some interesting input in the comments. Goold at Birdland is mulling the same things, and I quote his theory::
Helton has multiple Gold Gloves and Gonzalez is the true challenger to Pujols and Derrek Lee as the National Leagues best defense first baseman. But how to explain the startling gap between Pujols’ OOZ and every other position player? One obvious possibility is the tighter zone assigned to first base, meaning any first baseman who strays just a bit from his designated zone can accumulate OOZ. The other is that Pujols is channeling his inner All-Star debut and plays a little second base from time to time. Already this spring we’ve seen him move to his right, cut in front of the second baseman and make the play. He often dashes over to glove and start a double play. He’s quite deft at doing it, and quite eager to do it.

Between larry and derrick's (and his other brother derrick?) answers, I'm satisfied.

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I thank the baseball gods every day for pujols and rolen at the corners and jimmy and yadi (and matheny before that) up the middle.  thanks for the numbers, erik.

by mdarshan on Mar 4, 2007 2:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

na
2 theories with regard to Pujols.  First, his raging style with regards to bunts could give him a good 10-15 plays "outside of the zone."  Moreover, when he plays deep at first, maybe he sometimes is going just outside of the zone there knowing that his pitcher will pick him up (it's not like we ever have a "boomer" on the mound.  I know I've seen him range far to his right as well when he's deep knowing the pitcher is covering.  

just a couple of suggestions.  I guess maybe he has some foul ball range too, but would think of the other two suggestions over that one.  

by HoosierCardFan on Mar 4, 2007 3:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

3rd theory
anybody an idea how many bad throws to first base AP is scooping from the dirt the whole time?
Maybe this is part of the enigma...

by Johnny64 on Mar 4, 2007 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice post erik
i'll be interested to hear what studes' answer is.

david pinto has a fantastic resource
at baseball musings, wherein he charts players' range against average, broken down by batted ball type and by fielding location. click here to get albert's charts.

the "zones" in pinto's charts do not correspond to the zones used in zone rating, so we have to guess which plays constitute "OOZ." to help you read the charts: the axis marked "2B" corresponds to the vector that runs between home plate and 2d base; balls hit along that vector are charted on this axis. the line marked "1B" corresponds to balls hit right down the first-base line; and the line marked "RCF" corresponds to balls in the hole, about 50 feet from 1st base and 40 feet from 2d base.

even guessing conservatively, it looks like albert made a minimum of 55 OOZ plays on plain old groundballs --- he got to 10 balls on the RCF axis (right into the hole) and another 45 balls on the neighboring vector --- ie, about 25 feet to his right (~40 feet away from 1st base).

by these charts, albert might have had another 15 or so OOZ plays on bunts (nice call, hoosier cards) and about 15 on popups ("i got it! i got it!" ---he's a take-charge infielder).

so our conservative guesstimate tallies up to 85 OOZ plays, which is in the same general neighborhood as what dewan counts --- and most of them are just on groundballs.

not long ago albert was a competent big-league 3d baseman, and he's still in his mid-20s; it stands to reason that he would have superior range for a 1st baseman.

by lboros on Mar 4, 2007 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And he wasn't a bad OF
either.  He's not a speed demon by any stretch but he is a good athlete for a man his size.  He handled LF capably before being moved to 1B permanently.  It's not a surprise to me that he became a good 1B.  I am, however, a little surprised at how good he's become.

by chuckb on Mar 4, 2007 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, honestly
I never though much of A'Pu in the outfeild, but I did think he was an average-ish 3rd baseman.

by Zubin on Mar 4, 2007 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fun With Acronyms
I like how the "out of zone" plays are called OOZ.  In a way, it's oddly onomatopoetic...

by sjoshi on Mar 4, 2007 3:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

and that's what happens...
when we post without reading the titles.

by sjoshi on Mar 4, 2007 3:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And if you DO read the titles...
and have a twisted mind like mine, my first thought after reading the explanation of what OOZ was, was, "Hmmmm... wonder what Oz's OOZ was, lifetime?"

Kidding aside, Ozzie was the best defensive shortstop I've ever seen, or ever hope to see. He was "protected" (to some extent) from having to make too many plays "in the hole" by the excellent glovework of guys like Ken Oberkfell and Terry Pendleton at 3B... but that just allowed "The Wizard" to make a boatload of OOZ plays to the right of second base!

And Albert just may be the most aggressive 1B in the game today... the combination of El Hombre and Yadi's Jedi mind-trick pickoffs at 1B are beautiful to watch, Master Jose-Wan!

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Mar 4, 2007 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On outfielders' arms
"His touted strong arm didn't make much of a difference, he was at the bottom of the pack when it came down to holding and cutting down advancing base runners."

Erik (or anyone else), I'm wondering if you could shed light on how these advanced defensive metrics measure the holding/cutting-down of runners by outfielders.  I remember my days in Boston when somebody would tout Manny as having led the league in outfield assists that year, and then somebody more knowledgeable would come along and say, well, of course he does, because everybody knows they can run on him and thus try more often.  So does the 'reputation' factor figure at all in assessing outfielders in the way Juan is above?  Perhaps along with guys noting the 'zone' to which every ball is hit they also have people noting depth (and runner's speed?) on every fly ball.  There just seem to be so many external factors in keeping guys from taking the next base (cut-offs on actual hits and on sac flies, e.g.) that crediting an outfielder for holding runners seems difficult at best.

by jfs on Mar 4, 2007 9:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Note the drop in Yadi's CS%
along with a massive drop in people attempting against him--people like Scott Podsednik and Dave Roberts are the only guys trying against him anymore.

by Valatan on Mar 4, 2007 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point
the best measure is the fact that so few people attempt to steal off of him.  The fringe baserunners plant themselves right off of first.  Only the true speedsters even attempt it.  He won a game that Izzy was about to blow vs. San Diego last year by picking Brian Giles off first w/ 2 outs in the 9th.

by chuckb on Mar 4, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
Since a major league team, on average, will steal bases inefficiently, having Molina behind the plate effectively makes a good baseball decision for the other team.  It encourages them not to steal, and only steal in selective situations (where the sb actually has value). There's a tipping point as to where a high CS rate over fewer attempts equals a moderate CS rate over more attempts.

Obviously you can't tell Molina to not catch base runners so to encourage more tries, but the lack of attempts technically hurt the defense when you consider the price of a stolen base attempt below that magical 70-somthing% success rate.    

by Jonathan23 on Mar 4, 2007 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow... that is an interesting point
I am hoping LB or maybe someone at the hardballtimes does some analysis on that.

by Zubin on Mar 4, 2007 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't a reduced 'attempted stolen base' rate
lead to also a decreased 'runners in scoring position' total as well?  I would imagine that it would balance out, especially for the Cardinals pitching mentality.  Pitch to contact needs runners to not be beyond 2nd base to be effective, especially with less than 2 outs.

Molina's arm causing lower base stealing attempts increased double play opportunities, decreases sacrafice fly or runners advancing to third on flyballs and also decreases the number of 1st to 3rd or home on singles to the outfield.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good question
the methodology is explained here.  http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/cannons-and-popguns-rating-outfield-arms/

hope that helps, it's an interesting read and something i'm sure will develop further

by erik on Mar 4, 2007 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan Edmonds etc.
The other guys are in there, you just have to change qualified to "both".

Duncan got a .640, which would have been good for middle of the pack if he had qualified, only 2 OOZ plays though. Edmonds got a .803, towards the middle-bottom for CFers. P-Dub  got a .585 in LF for Houston and a .620 for RF for us. The .620 in right is middle-of-the-packish, so if the LF number for Houston. Anybody know if ZR takes park effects into account, if not the short porch in the juice box may have hurt his rating. The Gooch got a .796 in center, another middle-bottom of the pack number. Miles get a .816 at 2nd, once again slightly below league average for full qualifiers.

by mikedallas23 on Mar 4, 2007 10:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's disappointing to see Edmonds
so far down the list. Wonder if leaping ability is captured in the OOZ measure?

by Red in Chicago on Mar 4, 2007 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

AP's D
Does it make sense that he's so proficient at moving and diving to his right because he's a relocated 3B--He just naturally dives more and more accurately to his right because he's hard-wired to do so? If so, can we expect that to diminish as he ages? It seems most players who are "converted" to 1B do it at a much older age than AP, when they're less apt to dive anyway.

Just a thought.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Mar 4, 2007 11:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is a super post
It's so difficult to find good defensive metrics.  Most people's opinions on defense is strictly anecdotal, as you allude to with your "glider" comment about Juan.  We learned long ago that errors wasn't a sufficient metric b/c of the Ozzie factor -- he got to so many more balls than everyone else did, he was bound to make a couple more errors.  The same is true of Rolen -- hell, he probably hurts Eckstein's defensive rating by taking 15 or 20 balls away from him every year.

It also helps to explain why the powers that be are so concerned w/ getting ground balls from their pitchers.  Of course, homers hurt worse than singles but our infield turns singles into outs, and sometimes into 2 outs.  They would have saved Suppan and Weaver half a run on their ERA at least.  If Wells pitches enough to appreciate it, he's going to have a pretty good season.

by chuckb on Mar 4, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Outfield Assists
Good Post Eric.  It's clear that jed's number of assists has dropped considerably, but not exactly why. There certainly is a difference between trying to extend a single, or trying to score, and where those assists are recorded is not easily found.  Few CF's can cut down runners at home plate without a relay, and we love jed for that.  Finding attempts or chances is impossible.
For Yadi it's obvious that CS is by and large at 2B, and that play is not provoked by a batted ball or based upon fielding positions.  From '05 experience, many fewer attempts on Yadi were made in '06, and yet he still had an outstanding rate. Still, the greatest play is caught stealing at 1B with 2 outs in the 9th.  How often does that happen?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Follow-ups
Thanks Eric for your follow-up above on Pujols' OOZ. Spurred by your post, i went to Hardball Times looking for more on OF assists, and found this from John Walsh:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/best-outfield-arms-of-2006/
Nice to see jed rise in the CF rankings accordingly.  If he could go back, I think it would show how much better jed had been in 05 and before.  
The same rankings for RF put jenc not surprisingly near the bottom, just above jd drew, and below jacques jones.  great stuff.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other news
Can't get enough?  Shopping for me news I found the following yesterday:

From the Treasure Coast a daily story appears from each camp from Jupiter to Vero. Today's post updates eck.  If you scroll down at the bottom you can find previous day's articles.

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/pro_baseball/article/0,,TCP_24442_5392962,00.html

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Howard's Swing
Interesting piece in the times breaking down Howard's swing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/sports/baseball/20070302_HOWARD_GRAPHIC.html

Funny thing is, it looks like he missed the ball.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 1:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's funny how all it takes is one season
for people to switch from saying Pujols' swing is the most feared to Howards' is.

Anyone having trouble getting the link for Gameday Audio to work?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel
Another piece in the times on Ankiel's comeback.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/sports/baseball/02ankiel.html

I'm rooting for him, and hope he can have a full season in Memphis, build the case that he has it, and make his claim to get back to the show in '08.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bases Juiced in the 2nd
for Sno Cones.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Speezer scores on Wild Pitch
Scott Olsen apparently missed church services this morning.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SnoCones walks
Ryan hits into a 6-4-3, scores a run.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gooch pops out
inning over.  Only push across 2, 1 on a wild pitch, another on a DP. It feels like 2006 all over again. :D
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gameday Locked up again
How are you getting the game feed?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gameday Audio
and it's on XMRadio.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gameday Audio doesn't work either
Found it at 560am.  Finally.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 4, 2007 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes it does, just go to 'scoreboard'
and click on the Audio tab above the scoreboard for that game.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes is pitching to a lot of contact
I wonder if he is using the 2-seamer or not.  Other than the leadoff walk, every batter has put the ball in play.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 4, 2007 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lots of balls in the air, though
he only got 2 groundballs, by uggla and cabrera in the first; ev'ybody else hit the ball in the air, a couple of flyballs and a couple pop ups. the popups probably came off the 4-seamer or the change.

i've got shannon on; it sounds like reyes is throwing a lot of breaking pitches, ie that slider/slurve thing of his.

by lboros on Mar 4, 2007 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

an incomplete picture
what does zone rating measure?  the percentage of balls hit into a player's fielding zone that are turned into outs.  sounds pretty good on the surface.  a player that does that should be pretty good, right?  unfortunately defense is a little more complicated.

runner on first and a ball gets hit into a corner....the outfielder races over, picks it cleanly, fires it into the cutoff man leaving runners at second and third.  seems like a good defensive play to me, but zone rating doesnt account for it because it is out of the zone and no outs were recorded.  runner on first and the ball gets hit into the corner.  this time the outfielder bobbles the ball/watches it bounce around, one run scores and the other runner is on third base.  seems like a bad defensive play to me, but zone rating doesnt account for it.

a runner on second base and a soft liner is hit into a player's zone.  one outfielder dives for it and misses.  the ball rolls around.  one run scores and the base runner takes an extra base.  zone rating gives him no outs and one opportunity.  one outfielder doesnt dive but stays in front of it.  he fires the ball back to the in field.  one runner at first and the other at third.  zone rating gives him no outs and one opportunity.

one outfielder catches a lazy pop up without moving more than a few steps.  zone rating gives him one out and one opportunity.  one outfielder is playing deep because a slugger is at bat and has to race in to catch a little flare off the end of the bat.  zone rating gives him one out and one opportunity.  the degree of difficulty isnt equivelant, but zone rating treats it the same.  zone rating assumes it will all even out over the course of enough at bats.  will it?  might this be one of the reasons zone ratings dont always match up year to year?  encar was .642 in 2006, 7th among all qualifying right fielders.  encar was .614 in 2005, 16th out of 19 qualifying right fielders.

many of those little things that a good outfielder does that make him a good outfielder arent accounted for by zone rating.  zone rating basically just measures the percentage of plays that a fielder makes that he is reasonably expected to make.  thats useful, but it isnt the whole picture.

by dmb60614 on Mar 4, 2007 7:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

very true dmb
there's so many variating factors when it comes to defense and there is no perfect metric out there. i'm glad they are trying, and it's an improvement to where things were at not long ago. when it comes to defense, sometimes you just gotta trust your eyes.

by erik on Mar 4, 2007 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

your points are all valid
and your last word on ZR --- "that's useful, but it isn't the whole picture" --- applies to every defensive statistic. but you'd also have to agree that it applies to all baseball stats (hitting, pitching, and defense). just as ZR credits an easy defensive play equally with a difficult one, so batting average / slugging average credit a line drive that one-hops the fence equally with a bloop double that drops while all the fielders stand around waiting for somebody to say "i got it." a pitcher gets credited with a third of an inning whether he induces a dribbler back to the mound, or a smash down the line that scott rolen spears; he can the same win for throwing 6 innings and allowing 7 runs (mark buehrle did that last year) as the guy who throws a no-hitter.

so you have to put all stats into context. you could say of every single one --- "that's useful, but it isn't the whole picture."

defense is the toughest part of the game to measure on an individual basis because it's the most team- and context-dependent (as you note in your various examples above). but well-designed stats can still tell us part of the story.

we have to treat defensive stats with the same skepticism that we treat all stats with. we have to try to use them to piece together a composite portrait that's consistent, that looks the same from different angles and by different forms of evaluation.

by lboros on Mar 4, 2007 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A good lesson to keep in mind with all numbers
not just baseball ones.  Whether it's someone's zone rating, a measurement of the mass of the electron, or the President's approval rating, you can't blindly listen to what the number is without considering the context.

by Valatan on Mar 4, 2007 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you are right
i almost added that you could say the same for most stats.

"we have to treat defensive stats with the same skepticism that we treat all stats with."

i completely agree.  i hear many people say juan has a good ZR so he must be a good fielder.  i dont agree with that.  i think its like saying someone who has 100 rbi must be a good hitter or someone who has 18 wins must be a good pitcher.  maybe they are good, maybe they arent.  at least with batting and pitching stats we have a lot more data to work with.  we can look at era, whip, k, bb, ip, babip, etc and get a better idea of whether or not a pitcher "earned" his wins.  unfortunately i dont think we have the same tools for defensive stats.

by dmb60614 on Mar 4, 2007 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem.
The problem I've found, esp. on this site, when dealing with statheads is that they won't listen to reason.  They'll use their SABR formulas as the end all be all of an argument which is insane.  I'd be surprised if most of them watch actual baseball games.  If they did, they'd know Juan Encarnacion is  hardly one of the top outfielders in the NL.  His arm isn't that impressive, his range is poor, and he lacks the ability to run to his shoulders.  Then again, I WATCH a few hundred baseball games every season thanks to Extra Innings.  What would I know? =
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Mar 5, 2007 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I didn't actually read your post, STLCardinalsFan, but based upon a detailed analysis of your most recent posts on this forum as well as your lifetime OBP ("Off Base Post") numbers, I calculate that you really only had about a .308 chance of being correct anyway.

So, sorry...but you're wrong.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 6, 2007 2:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously...
Obviously.  The numbers never lie...
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Mar 6, 2007 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just wanted to point out
that few of us come here for this reason, but d. goold, in his discussion of el hombre's ooz refers to veb in his blog today as "the seminal Cardinals' fan blog."

not too shabby larry, erik and val.

by sdesserman on Mar 4, 2007 9:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised Eck doesn't have more OOZ
plays, since he seems to play farther toward 2nd because Rolen has good range.   Then again, that could simply be because he's not that fast.

by sdrone on Mar 4, 2007 10:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great game
today. It was such a joy to listen to Moonman and Rooney on my 2.5 hour trip from Metro East to home. Everybody sure seems ready to play this year. How bout Bradboy? 9 up/9 down. Nice. It's OT, but did anybody catch this yesterday:

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/cubs.asp?id=286992

Does that guy's big mouth ever stop flapping? Can you say "jinx"? Priceless.

by rockin redbird on Mar 5, 2007 1:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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