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Game 156 postgame

i'm really, really happy i don't have to write about this team tomorrow. Valatan --- have at it, buddy.

i do think it's funny that it's up to ol' reyes to break the streak.

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Hey
the streak hasn't reached 8 games yet!

So, Thursday vs. Milwaukee?  We'll win and hold on to that 1/2 game lead, however tenuously...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Sep 26, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Tomorrow...
The bats are going to explode.  Houston will lose, and we will start a 4-5 game win streak.

Count on it.

by Pujols for MVP on Sep 26, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope not
History dictates that the Cardinals play prety well after eight-ame losing streaks.  With any luck, they will win their next fifteen after that.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 27, 2006 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love
the lingering sense of optimism here even in the darkest hours!

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 26, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

hip-hip!
hoo-ray!!
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Sep 26, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

you said it larry
i got sunday, and i'm dreading it should things continue to be ugly. good luck valatan!
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 26, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

My engine of hopefulness
has finally sputtered to a stop and the tank is sitting on empty.

This team is fucked in the head. They've all morphed into Jason Marquis. I think they all expect to lose and it is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. And with each loss, they slide a little further down the slope...

Tonight, for the first time, I really expect them to lose the division...

"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Take it to the bank, boys
Reyes gets SHELLED tomorrow, but Houston loses.

We win first 2 against Pitts, clinsh on Sat with a loss, and lose Sun in a who cares game.

Uh, but tell SanFran to keep their uniforms around - just in case.I had a feeling when the (ch)Umps called that one that it was a giant hex.  (Pun intended)

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 26, 2006 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

um
we play the brewers. put me down for being optimistic...or at least trying to be. i predict we salvage a game from the series, take 2 of 3 verse the brew crew. i feel another albert hot streak. but this team needs to cheer up, somehow. I don't know how, maybe they need to do the drinking along with the rest of you guys.
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 26, 2006 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh...
We're playing the Brewers next
Now the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together...it's Arrested Development.

by Bowen on Sep 26, 2006 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

juvenile diabetes PSA
On the radio back-to-back

Too much

Made me think: "Make it so these Padres go away, and I won't have to lose every day anymore."

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 26, 2006 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

uh
Right.  Brewers, not Pitt.

Good thing they're like, you know, red hot.

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 26, 2006 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry
but I'm not really sure it matters who we play at this point...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere...
the 1964 Phillies are silently cheering on the Astros.

by Quietude on Sep 26, 2006 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

"Perhaps the baseball gods
figure the Cardinals owe them one, to balance history's ledger."

SOB stole my line...

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/9/24/225959/385/71#71

(just kidding, it's easy enough to think of)

by Nate811 on Sep 26, 2006 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Bernie does visit here regularly...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm
Not sure how to feel about the prospect of being e-plagiarized by Bernie Miklasz...

by Nate811 on Sep 26, 2006 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw fuck it
I say be honored by it...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 27, 2006 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Bernie
can easily plagiarize the Bipolar Betty and Sophie nicknames, so I guess my legacy is secured.
Oh, the burden of stupid people.

by Solanus on Sep 27, 2006 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you just FEEL it?
When the Cards are done scoring.  Somewhere in the 5th or 6th (or 4th or 3rd)?  There's just a "clunk" sound and we are DONE.  It's all pop-ups, foulouts, K's and groundballs 1-6 after that.

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 26, 2006 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

IF......
If we do blow this lead... do you guys think TLR gets the axe?

by TNFan32 on Sep 26, 2006 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

no
Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 26, 2006 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only way...
he's not back next year is if he quits, and I don't see him quitting.

2008, though, will be the start of the Secret Weapon Era.

by Quietude on Sep 26, 2006 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The owner only care about 1 kinda score
3 million butts-in-seats

Those Country Day boys LOVE Tony, and won't change 'til he quits, or we quit going.

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 27, 2006 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The collapse
has reached ESPNews Bottom-Right-Hand Corner status...

by Nate811 on Sep 27, 2006 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

On the bright side
With each passing beer, I feel better about the situation...

Think I can stay drunk until April?  :-D

"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 27, 2006 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Edmonds went
2 for 5.   I'm wondering if the rest did him some good.

Luckily, I had a beer before I knew any of this crap.

by sdrone on Sep 27, 2006 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know whether to laugh or cry
The sudden collapse of this team, not only in terms of the current division lead, but also in comparison to 2004 and 2005, would for me count as one of my more disappointing Cardinal moments because the team has lost its greatness (for now and the intermediate future) similar to the way the Rams fell apart after the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots. If the Cards don't make it, this year might be the first in which I don't bother to watch the baseball playoffs.

On the other hand, this team is still somehow in first place!  I don't know about the rest of you, but I would find it incredibly hilarious if the team managed to have three eight game losing streaks and still win the division.

by bailorg on Sep 27, 2006 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Anthony Reyes ...
those of us who've hoped he'd be in the playoff rotation have essentially gotten what we wanted. & a week early, to boot.

i'll be rooting for him tomorrow night more than i've rooted for any player since the top of the ninth, two outs, two on, in Game 5 of last year's NLCS.

that hellhole, Houston. oh, sweet, dear, good lord, for all that is holy, do not grant them this. i am here deep in the rotten heart of Texas. this dump. it rains mud. the creatures are violent & weak-minded. the women are all right. it is a sprawling factory of crap. the stink is getting unbearable. the air is black with the foul exhalations of football fans fat with sportsfan entitlement. they are like stupid, spoiled children! they ask out loud why a leftfielder would ever even think to start running to back up third in any situation! their Qualls are Wheelers; their Lukes are Burkes. they run Old West homages to Russ Springer on the Jumbotron.

Russ Springer, my brothers & sisters.

oh, yes, i was there this weekend. barely survived. i escaped back home to a slightly more safe & civilized place, but they have operators standing by here, as well. who do we play tonight?, they ask. how many games are we out? WHAT???? AWESOME!!!!!!! NO WAY!!!! GO STROS!!!!! CARDS SUUUUUUCCKK. POO-HOLES WHO?????

draw the goddamned line. i am a fan, & i demand it. enough is enough.

summon the young angelic hurler clutching the spiky crown bareback atop a great yellow-beaked red beast alternately galloping & soaring across the sacred game's frontier, tearing the already scorched Texas earth with its talons. release the water of life from the soil of the high-school football fields! rip the roof off of Minute Maid in a bad way! that is to say, do not raise it a la the good way!

do it! hearken, hearten, etc.!  

please, Anthony Reyes, heralded rookie, do your thing. that Southside Chicago thing, in fact, would be real nice right about now. anything close to it. f**ing flat-iron those f**ers, young man. stir us up! DO YOUR THING, KIND SIR. come on, kid, do it. shut down the Padres & shut up the Astros.  do your thing.

meanwhile, LBoros, on the occasion of my first post after a year-plus of visiting nearly every day, thanks for doing yours. truly excellent work. we have been blessed with not only the Cardinals' overall performance these recent seasons, but also with the best beat bloggers around: namely, you & Brian Gunn.

to the rest of my fine, feathered friends: i offer our community my beginner's luck when i say it's time for this team to get hot. & that i know it will.

come on, you Redbirds.

put the proverbial pedal to the proverbial metal.

flip the switch.

turn up the heat, so that it might be, dare i say, on.

get going. i beg of you. go forth & conquer. win like the winners we know you can be.

(insert preferred battle cry)

ps: Ron Belliard rules. also, sorry to carry on.

by redbadger on Sep 27, 2006 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

you are lucky
at least you dont have to live in ohio.
From THE MAN, to Gibby, to The Wizard, to Albert the Great. Cardinal Tradition lives on.

by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2006 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez
Somebody hit the gin extra hard
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2006 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Like
someone crossed H.S. Thompson with recent vintage K. Olbermann...

by glennrwordman on Sep 27, 2006 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remarkable:
*The '06 Cardinals are already the first team to endure two 8-game losing streaks while staying in first place and they seem likely to make it an amazing three 8-game losing streaks tomorrow night.

*In a matter of a week, not only have they jeopardized the security of their play-off berth, but Chris Carpenter has all but taken himself out of the Cy Young debate and Albert Pujols has seriously diminished his MVP chances.  (If Houston wins, Berkamn is hands-down the MVP.)

* There is hardly a precedent for a Cardinal collapse during the regular season.  While Cardinal fans have watched more post-season catastrophes than any other team in recent memory ('85, '96, and `04), most fans, like me, can't remember the Cardinals losing an even somewhat close divisional race, much less utterly falling apart.  The closest things we can recall are '89 when the Cards really faded by early September (after getting as close as 1.5 games on September 4th) and 2001 when the Astros tied them on the last day of the season and the Cardinals were awarded the wild-card seed in the play-offs.  One must go all the way back to 1974 when, as Larry Boros recalls, "[the Cardinals] came to the last day of the season tied for 1st place, took a 2-1 lead into the bottom of the 8th vs. a weak expos team, and lost on a 2-run homerun --- off bob gibson. the pirates won the division."

The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 27, 2006 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

uuhhh...what about
late Aug of 2003?  that whole cubs series thing?  I think that qualifies....
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Sep 27, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait...correction
that might have happened in Sept of 2003....I am confusing myself with the title of Tony's book....
I probably think about this stuff too much......

by cardsnutincali on Sep 27, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was September.
That was the only time I've ever just plain not followed the Cardinals.  After that, I didn't watch anymore, I didn't go to the website to see how they did, I just plain didn't care.

I haven't watched as many games down the stretch this year, but that's more beause of my job.  That said, I haven't been as able to keep watching a game and not do something less depressing like play my PS2 or watch something else.

by whopperman on Sep 27, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

weird, bad moment tonight
I was at the game and was spending the 7th inning glancing between home plate and the out-of-town scoreboard while chewing off fingers...

Carp got a gift third strike in the Branyan AB, the place got noisy, and then he got Cameron to 0-2.  Place got real noisy, Carp got one up, the lead was gone...and then Carp didn't even have time to throw two pitches to the next batter before the Houston/Pittsburgh game went final.  

Some time after running into that iceberg, the engineers on the Titanic sat down and did the math.  Once water crept to, and filled, a certain compartment in her hull there was no turning back: the damage was done, her demise mere formality.  Passengers, cradled comfortably by the notion that the boat was truly unsinkable, felt that the worst-case scenario was that help would be on the way before real danger threatened their well-being.  

I couldn't escape the feeling tonight: the deed is done.  And that moment was the tipping point.

youneverknow

by meat on Sep 27, 2006 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

good luck valatan
I didn't even attempt to analyze the post-Carp Cardinals in my entry today. All catharsis, all the time.

by DanUpBaby on Sep 27, 2006 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Curse of Keith Hernandez
I am telling you it is the Curse of Keith Hernandez.

Need I remind you that Keith Hernandez wore #37.

And that this is the 37th aneversary of 1969, when the Cardinals failed to win a pennant after two successive first place finishes.

And that our best pitcher in the second half, who just went belly-up in his last start also wears #37.

Need I remind you that this is the 42nd anneversary of the '64 Phillies historic collapse?

And who was on the mound when the Cardinals last won the World Series and with #37 at first base?  Yes, #42 Bruce Sutter.

And what team is widely regarded as the best in franchise history?  Yes, the '42 St Louis Swifties.

The baseball gods giveth and they taketh away.

The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 27, 2006 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

ha you are reachin' bro!
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 27, 2006 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

42-37=5
Our magic number in perpetuity.

by Nate811 on Sep 27, 2006 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sugar, we're going down swinging
Go down fighting boys. Go down fighting.

Rage, rage aginst the dying of the light.

From THE MAN, to Gibby, to The Wizard, to Albert the Great. Cardinal Tradition lives on.

by gdm426 on Sep 27, 2006 6:29 AM EDT reply actions  

This makes me a bad fan....
but part of me wants this collapse to complete. I figure, the complete and utter embarassment the organization will feel because of this, is surely enough to cause some shakeups/big offseason moves, right??
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 27, 2006 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Not Deserving
As much as I want the Cardinals to win the division and do well in the playoffs this team really doesn't deserve to be there.  No team with a sub-.500 division record should be in the playoffs (considering they play in one of baseballs weakest divisions).  No team that after today will have put together three 8 game losing steaks should be in the playoffs.  Negative?  Sure this post is negative, but what do you expect when I am left to cheer for a team that hasn't earned the cheers this year.  Really it started long ago.  It started with the half hearted effort by ownership and management to put a winning product on the field back in November 2005.  I don't completely blame the players for this years debacle.  They are what they are-not good.  But through out this season nothing of substance was done to improve the fortunes of this team.  It was all done on the cheap with the DFAs.  That by the way is another teams unwanted junk, but is gold to the Cardinals.  In the past the Cardinals were lucky using this means to shore up the club.  That luck ran out this year and big time.  So when the retooling starts in the off-season some serious thought also must be given to the direction the team will be taking in the future from the front office to the way it is operated on the field of play.  No other manager in team history has been allowed the opportunity to guide the ship this long without winning at least one World Series game.  And with this epic collasp only two days away should he be allowed to continue?  Those are all questions this disgruntled fan is finding himself asking.  And there are more.

by TexasCard on Sep 27, 2006 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Cyonara?
Did anyone here really think, before these last two disastrous starts, that Carpenter wouldn't edge out upstart Brandon Webb for the big pitching award? Well, it's happening.

Webb pitched last night and got a ND (thanks to shoddy DBack defense) but allowed only 3 hits in 8 innings and lowered his league-leading ERA to 2.88. Carpenter was torched for 12 hits in 7 innings ... the most he's ever given up. And now it looks like he'll have to take his tired arm and pitch one more time to save the sinking ship.

by Urban Pawnee on Sep 27, 2006 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Has anyone heard...
about a player going off in the clubhouse? We know LaRussa's kinda a pantywaste, but where are our vets? Someone should have taken a bat to a cooler about a week ago and fired some people up. I don't put much of the blame for this season on the players, but I do put a smidgen of it. I'm about sick to death of this "professional attitude" we've all prided ourselves on for the last few years. I don't think it's a fluke that the last three champions have been 1. Freewheeling youngsters (Marlins) 2. Idiots (Red Sox) and 3. the followers of a madman (the White Sox and Ozzie Guillen).

If there has been a come-to-Jesus, someone please set me straight. I just figure I would have heard about it here.

by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 27, 2006 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Beg to differ
I do hold the players mostly responsible for this mess. They're the ones who are failing at the basics of baseball: hitting the ball, pitch the ball, catch the ball, etc. There's a core of that lineup that floundering around the .200 mark for September, there's an entire bullpen that's pitching worse that they did all season, most of the starters who can't seem to make it past the 6th inning, and thereby putting the pen in danger of overuse. True, Tony is making increasingly bizarre tactical moves as the ship sinks deeper. And, while I wouldn't mind hearing of an angry veteran taking a bat to the clubhouse widescreen (to mirror the emotions of fans like me), I doubt that do much.

by Urban Pawnee on Sep 27, 2006 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify...
I DO hold the players responsible for this September nightmare, but not the three months or offseason that led up to it. I've got more thoughts on LaRussa as a manager, but I'll save those for a time when I'm not quite so emotional.

by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 27, 2006 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Autographs
I should have thought of this a LOT earlier.  What are the odds of getting an Edmonds autograph by sending a baseball card to him c/o Busch Stadium?

by sdrone on Sep 27, 2006 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Good luck
I'm still waiting to hear from Carp, Morris, Rolen, Edmonds, Bo Hart, and Pujols.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 27, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has any team made the playoffs
with 3 8 game losing streaks in a season.

I'm am PISSED OFF.  This team is not playing with a heart.

Ronnie wants to win.  He gave us the lead and we blew it.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 27, 2006 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm
fairly certain they all "want" to win.

We've known since June that this years team has a whole lot of flaws. This is the third time that they have offered more than proof of that.

It sucks, but we're just not that good this year.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2006 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

law of attraction
this philosophy states that we attract more of what we put out to the universe. so why don't we list our top 5 things about this team and generate some positive energy?

I'm not good with specifics, numbers and such, so mine are more impressions. But these are the moments that made my grown sons pick up the phone and call me.

  1. Pujols v. Lidge, Act II
  2. Rolen's game-winning RBI against Cincinnati
  3. Carpenter's game face
  4. Molina picking off runners
  5. The surprise of Duncan
Go Cards!

by thatsawinner on Sep 27, 2006 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Albert's
Easter and Buddy Walk games.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 27, 2006 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

As my daughter would say..
This sucks monkey butt!

I wasn't at my computer posting while watching the game last night, too worrried then depressed to go upstairs to sign on.  But, really now, does anyone believe that an obviously utterly and completely gassed Carpenter was our best chance there?  Did no one learn a lesson in Houston?

Al noted (before he made the completely idiotic statement that "this is fun"), that Carp has exceeded 100 pitches in his last NINE (9) games.  When did Tony turn into Dusty Baker or Grady Little?  No wonder he's not done so well his last three starts.  Even if, and every day it appears less likely, we do win, those two victories we've all been counting on from Carp in the 1st round are likely to not be there 'cause he's worn out.

When do pitchers and catchers report again??

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 27, 2006 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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