Game 153 Open Thread: September 23, 2006

marquis oswalt
14-15, 5.82 14-8, 3.05
if i thought the cardinals were truly a good team, and that these ugly september stumbles were marring an otherwise handsome season or imperiling a potentially beautiful october, i might be distraught by these last couple games. but what, really, is at risk here? at best, they make the playoffs as longshots. at worst, they confirm what we've known for nigh on 4 months -- they ain't got the pitching.
for me, that takes the horror out of watching the team drift closer to the precipice. if they should ultimately go over the falls, big deal -- they're not that high off the ground to begin with. it's not a long way down.
and i still think -- less'n they panic -- they are not in great danger of missing the playoffs. houston and the natti are both 75-78 at this writing; if either one goes 9-0 down the stretch, they can post an 84-78 record. to beat that, st louis would have to go 5-5 (including the makeup game). so, in a worst-case scenario, they can solve all their problems by playing .500. given the (cough) possibility that houston or natti might actually lose a game or two in the last week-plus, a 3-7 record will probably suffice. that is, say houston goes 7-2 and finishes at 82-80; to beat that, st louis simply has to go 3-7 and they can march into october as proud nl central champs, at 83-79.
like i said, if they go over the falls, it's not a long way down.
we can't blame last night's loss on is'hausen, and we can't blame it on la russa. oh, there are folks trying to; the theory has been advanced that the cardinals would've won if tony had pitched looper for the 7th/8th and wainwright for the 9th, but that seems like a rather desperate stretch. somebody show me a little evidence -- like, show me that wainwright has consistently pitched more poorly in his 2d inning of work than in his 1st inning -- and i might consider that notion. i think a better explanation for what happened last night is that the cardinals are a bad road team with an undermanned bullpen playing an outstanding home team that's fired up for its last stand as defending nl champions -- and playing its last series of the year in its own building.
the cardinals did everything they reasonably could have done to win that game -- had the right players in the right situations, and got 100 percent effort out of those players. as for today's game -- well, that might be a different story. if marquis doesn't pitch well, i'm gonna wonder: would anthony reyes have pitched better? some kick in the nuts for the rookie: 1st he misses a turn because his coaches tell him he has a tired arm; now he misses one because marquis has a sore back.
whatever; it's tony's team. he gets to make these decisions, we just get to live with'm.
perfect segue to the news that jeff luhnow got a big promotion, adding the st louis farm system to his sphere of responsibility; he previously had been in charge of the amateur draft and international scouting. it's a logical move; the farm system is now full of guys he drafted over the last two years, and they're just beginning to ripen. at least one of his draftees (nick stavinoha) will probably open next season at triple A, and the double A roster will be jammed with luhnow picks -- jaime garcia, colby rasmus, chris perez, john jay, and mitch boggs for starters; maybe tyler greene, cory meachem, mark hamilton, randy roth, and/or bryan anderson by this time next year.
miklasz sees luhnow's promotion as a watershed moment for the organization, a significant power shift with implications at the managerial level:
DeWitt may try to spin it differently, but Luhnow's promotion signals a definite shift in philosophy in the Cardinals' baseball operations. What will be different? Young players and pitchers will be developed, and they will get a full chance to succeed at the major-league level.
bears watching.
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nothing has fired me up more
there were a lot of things that went wrong with this season, but the reyes situation ticks me off the most. oswalt verses marquis....why don't we just concede to the sweep now?
sorry, still burned up about the last 2 losses..
I dunno if they hate him...
Ponson-Marquis-Weaver can't be trusted to do this either, but to substitute Reyes for one of the above is not necessarily in the best long term interests of the team.
Like someone pointed out, he's a Boras guy so we'll have him for 6 years. Better the clock starts ticking when he's a polished product so we get the best 6 years of his career. If his demotion in August keeps him from super-2 status the club will save millions.
Other clubs do similar stuff, I think the blogger pointed out in June the Angels sent down Jared Weaver after he had gone 4-0 with a 1.37 era in his first four starts.
As for the 2 seamer controversy, I can't really speak to this other than saying it is likely Dave Duncan knows more about becoming an effective starting pitcher than most of us. I understand the team would be better off in the short term if Reyes pitched to his immediate strength, but, barring a highly improbable October run, this season is largely a failure no matter what he does. Better to manage Reyes with long-term objectives in mind.
i really like the sounds of luhnow
by jojo5492 on Sep 23, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
Regarding last night:
Perspective. And through it, peace of mind.
Sure, I get upset, and frustrated, in the moment as I watch Wainwright, and then Looper cough up multiple runs to blow yet another tight game (why can't we get Orklando Palmeiro out?).
But I've seen enough games this year, and over my lifetime, to know that incredible, thrilling victories come along with ugly, disappointing losses, and that, if all teams were equal and the law of averages worked out, the Cardinals would be World Champs once every 30 years.
We're going to lose a lot---65 to 75 times in the average Cardinal year these days---and you just have to take a mental step back and realize that a loss is a loss, and this team---no matter how flawed or uninspired they may seem---will be playing postseason ball in October.
Think about that: Fans of 80 percent of the teams will not be watching their favorites after next weekend, but we will. Again.
They ran a graphic last night showing the Cardinals recent yearly results, and since Pujols' arrival the Cardinals have failed to go to the NLCS just once, in 2003.
We all want the championship, and as fans, really, none of us will be satisfied, especially with some of the great players we have, until we get one.
But some might say that you're not really satisfied until you're dead or you just don't care.
So yes, I might get "negative" when the team blows a late-inning lead, but come on, how bad is it, really? Bad enough that I actually get ANGRY, angry enough to type four-letter words and broadcast to the world the depth of my anger?
And if I'm that angry about a baseball game---something that I supposedly enjoy and choose to spend chunks of my life following---how do I feel about TRULY upsetting things, and what is my reaction to those?
If I justify my anger BECAUSE I spend so much time following the team, and I CARE so much that when they do poorly I get upset, then maybe I need to change my hobby to something in which my side always wins---like closed-range "hunting" or playing Scrabble against my 9-year-old niece.
Nobody likes to lose when you play a game, but handling losing with dignity and perspective is part of playing (and being a fan), and if you can't do that, that's your right, but it sure is unpleasant to be around you.
It does get to be...
On the whole though I think you can just chalk it up to fans that likely can't remember '68, or '78, or maybe even '88. Better too much passion than too little, I guess...
You think it's bad here?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Viva and Bernie's Pressbox
I really used to enjoy reading people's comments and thoughts both here and in Bernie's Pressbox but it has gotten so personal and negative that I rarely do it anymore.
excellent post salvo
and handling disappointment with grace isn't just part of being a fan; it's part of being an adult.
btw, i have lost to my niece at Scrabble before . . . .
In agreement
I know from time to time I can be guilty of overreacting to losses, but I rationalize that by telling myself it's just a character I play on my blog when I make such posts.
And inside the body of this obsessive Cardinals fan beats the cold, unfeeling heart of a copy editor: The Cardinals didn't make it out of the NLDS in 2001, Pujols' rookie year.
by 26thMan on Sep 23, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The '68 WS tore my heart out...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes
He's thrown 162.2 innings this year between Memphis and St. Louis, and, as we've all seen, there have been a fair number of high-pitch innings in there. Previously, he'd never thrown more than 142 innings (last year). Whether or not he really had a tired arm, there's reason for concern that he might wear down. If he's starting a game in the playoffs, there is some logic behind resting him a bit now.
I agree, but
fair point
I really do not agree....
Manager Years Average Wins% Made Play-offs
LaRussa 11 88 45%
Torre 5 79 0%
Herzog 10 85 30%
Schoendienst 11 85 18%
LaRussa include this year w/ 84 wins
Torre average wins without 1994
Herzog average wins without 1981
Sorry about the poor format, did this in excel then pasted it here. Now looking at the data, why would you be ready for a new era of Cardinal baseball? One that makes the post season as much as 45% of the time? Breaking down these numbers you can argue that it is "easier" than ever to make the play-off since Herzog and Red did not have the ability to make the wild-card and Torre was given an 89 cent team from an AB ownership that enjoyed the net income and did not care about winning, but seriously, LaRussa looks good here. Give Red and Whitey a nod for a WS win each, and Whitey another for 2 other WS appearences, but again, the LaRussa era Cards have had their chances.
Good WS chances:
1996 - up 3-1 games over the Braves and the Cards get greedy at home (or stupid) and pitch Todd on 3-days rest, result: loss 14-0. Cards get outscored 18-1 over the last two games (oh god was that hard to watch) and crush my dreams of a WS (and yours too)
2004 - do I need to recap this? Swept like a dirty floor...ug.
Others - lost 2005, 2002, and 2000 NLCS (or worked in those series however you want to put it)
So, to get to the point here...is it Tony that has lost us these chances or got us there?
The great debate.
by riescher on Sep 23, 2006 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
The WC isn't the only thing that makes it
I'm really excited...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
Give anyone
They'll average 88 wins and make the postseason.
Granted, not every TLR team has had those exact ingredients, but they're routinely stocked with at least a handful of superstars and benefit from an above-average payroll.
Most teams in baseball do not enjoy those advantages.
What has TLR and Co. brought to the table to complement the advantages of superstars and high payroll that then translates into increased success beyond what you'd expect, given what you start with?
I'd say, not much. For every amazing Dunc success story, like Woody Williams (subsequently mismanaged horribly), there is a failure, like Sid Ponson. There's the great trade, like Edmonds for Bottenfield/Kennedy, but then the duds like Mulded for Haren/Calero/Barton.
I know that TLR cares a lot about winning, but his micromananging and button-pushing results in, I believe, players who are reduced to pawns at the mercy of the great puppetmaster. The players perform without joy or emotion (save the pandemonium of the occasional walk-off hit) and find themselves by the end of the year drained of the energy, fire and enthusiasm that seems to characterize many successful October teams.
The team reflects the personality of the manager, so they become uptight, neurotic, paranoid and afraid of failure.
That is the mark of a TLR team. That they win 88 games a year and make the playoffs can be mostly explained with one word: Albert.
the Phil Jackson effect
Take the Yankees. The George could have anybody he wants managing that team. It goes without saying that if he thought somebody could do it better than Torre, he'd fire Torre in a heartbeat and not think twice about it. It seems to me that an owner who's got the money to build a powerful team and the will to spend it is going to have good players; but it's certainly possible to have a high payroll and a team stocked with talent with a shitty manager (cough the Cubs cough cough).
Is TLR Teh Genius? I dunno. Is he going to the Hall of Fame? Well, sure. Does he deserve it? Hard to say. I don't think the sabermetricians have come up with a way to accurately rate managers yet (Player-Independent Managerial Skill? Isolated Managing? who knows), but I bet they will eventually. I think you'd find that guys like TLR and Bobby Cox and Joe Torre would come out of that looking pretty good.
Look at it this way....a driver won't win a race without a good car, but that car isn't going to drive itself.
Two other things:
- I think you're spot on about emotion on this club. They only rarely look like they're having fun, but maybe that's a byproduct of winning 100 games two years running and then dropping off to about ~85 or so.
- I still think trading for Mulder was a great idea, and it's easy to forget that he pitched pretty well for us before he got hurt. It's not Jock's fault he continued to pitch long after he was ineffective (just like Izzy), and that's something that can be held against TLR IMHO. It sure would be nice to have Haren still, but them's the breaks. It would be nicer IMHO to have vintage Mulder back, because we really need a dominant lefty starter.
you're dead on about larussa
I agree with you
Let's see what you've got, Jason. I almost hope that you get shelled, so that there is no chance that you're gonna sniff the postseason.
I agree with every word
That's the big black mark on the season to me: Mulder, Izzy, and also Edmonds playing when they clearly should not have. Very strange; any one of those cases in isolation wouldn't be remarkable, but all three in one season? Inexplicable, and not the usual TLR brand of inexplicability.
And in that context, I am very nervous about Rolen....I have the feeling that his production is going to be make-or-break for the Birds in October....he had better be healthy if he's being run back out there in these quasi-meaningless games.
oh i would
I rewatched last night game
Not to take anything away from Palmiero's hit but those are the kind of bad breaks we seem to KEEP catching ALL THE TIME this season.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
Incredibly unlucky...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oquendo in '08?
Like it was said earlier, "look forward to a new school of Cardinals baseball"... so why not put Oquendo at the helm.
by SethWestern on Sep 23, 2006 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
Rooting for Buerhle to stink....
- Carpenter
- Buerhle
- Reyes
- Suppan
- Wainwright, or if he is going to stick to the bullpen/closer role, then a Gil Meche/Ted Lilly/etc... type guy.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
me, too
That rotation might not be too bad...
Look, I consider Houston to be similar to us as a "small" market team. If they can have Oswalt, Clemens and Pettite, I think we should be able to afford (at least) one more Howitzer at the top o' the pitching staff.
I'm just not sure Buehrle is that second top gun.
Buerhle
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
is anyone else concerned by these stats
04 5.58 - 6.05
05 4.87 - 5.67
06 4.82 - 4.33
k/BB
04 1.69 - 3.24
05 1.59 - 3.73
06 1.43 - 2.13
Thats Mulder vs. Buerhle. Now I will say that Buehrle's other peripherals aren't as alarming and PECOTA still likes him for the next 5 years around 8mill a year. I'm just worried that Buehrle is exhibiting the same characteristics as Mulder circa 2004. Declining strikeout rate, heavy workload for the last few years. Maybe it's just me but I see a breakdown in Buehrle's future.
i wouldn't touch him
i've never been that high on the guy; this year raises serious concerns.
let someone else gamble on him.
Buerhle.....
METS...
Good...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I strongly disagree with that
not twice each
in my mind, a 5-game set is easier for the cards. if you go to 7 games, you're adding 2 games to the series without adding any carpenter starts -- he'll start 2x in either a 5-game or 7-game series. so going to 7 games merely imposes a heavier responsibility on the underbelly of the rotation.
At some point..
More interesting developments....
"Jeff Gordon reported today on his 1380 radio show that a very close friend of TLR's told Gordo that "TLR is toast" meaning burnt out from this season and could be ready to take a long hike back to the Bay Area (San Fran Giants perhaps?)! "
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
if he is toast
Pesonally....
I still think the Met's pitching is pathetic, not unlike our own. To me, that means it's a toss-up, and I think anyone that can decently hit the ball has a great chance of beating them in a 5-gamer.
Besides, I think Albert liked playing at Shea....
Perspective...
In 2004, that all changed for me, forever. In the span of 2 1/2 months, I lost my job, my apartment, my dog, and worst of all, my mother. Baseball no longer meant everything to me, and I still feel the same way today. I still love the Cardinals, don't get me wrong; if they win, great, if not, oh well. It's just a damn game, afterall.
I hope that since 2004
But you're right, it is a game---we're supposed to be able to enjoy the playing of the game, win or lose. Winning is more fun, but you can enjoy and appreciate the game either way.
it's funny
Oh good
That worked out well last time...
However, I have a feeling that we're about due to rough up RoyO a little bit. Hopefully we won't be in too big a hole after the first inning...
Tonight's predictions:
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
Well, this is an interesting lineup
C. Duncan rf
A. Pujols 1b
S. Spiezio 3b
J. Rodriguez lf
R. Belliard 2b
S. Schumaker cf
G. Bennett c
J. Marquis p
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
lineups
Eck SS
Dunc LF
Albert 1B
Speeeez 3B
Johnny LF
Belly 2B
Schumaker CF
Bennett C
Marqy-Mark P
Hou
Biggio 2B
Ensberg 3B
Berkman 1B
Scott, LF
Huff, RF
Burke, CF
Everett, SS
Ausmus, C
Oswalt, P
Nice to see Rolen get a day off. Let's hope that Schumaker does well in today's start. Enc on the bench today--is Edmonds availible? I heard that rumor
Alberts K's
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
Horton called that one well
He was looking good until that pitch, too.
Nice effort by Skip on Biggio's single... Good to see him get a start.
God, it would be nice
Horton's on a roll today
I know a lot of people don't like Rick, but outside from Orel Hershiser, Jon Miller, and Joe Buck, he's probably the only commentator on TV that adds anything to the game.
Wonder if they'll see if Marquis and Reyes can combine to pitch nine innings every fifth day from here on out. Give the bullpen a rest and get Narveson stretched out.
Very happy to see Skip get that hit to the outfield. Big fan of the kid.
ugghhh
by thefordhamflash on Sep 23, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
Nice work Oquendo...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
Game over...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
with 1 out in the 3d
do you know what his 2nd half ERA is?
On July 23rd
Since then, the best outing he's had has been 2ER in 7 innings...
his 2d half era
his era since the 2d half of last season --- that is, 2d half of '05, and all of '06 --- is 5.34. that's the worst in the national league over that period of time (min 250 ip) and the 3d worst in mlb.
and still tony and dave think he's going to get it turned around . . . . .
oh, guess who the 4th and 5th worst
#4 is matt morris: 5.16.
#5 is jeff weaver: 5.10.
the best pitcher in baseball? johann santana, 2.41. carpenter's 2d best (best in the nl) at 3.03. webb's 3d, zambrano 4th, oswalt 5th.
suppan is #14, with an overall era of 3.65 in 266 innings
I'm sure they've seen
That B^$#^&% Bonds..
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
Did he just throw Berkman another change-up?/
Rooney...
by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
whew
Seems like Albert has
Wow those numbers from Shannon are sobering
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
He basically just reeled off a bunch of stats
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
Does this Schumaker have any value at all?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
He
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This start
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Woot woot
Loss #16 for the Quister.
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
He's been really awesome since he changed up
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No way!! Ensberg's on ahead of Berkman
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
BTW
A good reminder to be happy to bite one's nails watching this team....much better than having to ignore a team that will probably lose 100 games for I think the fourth time in five seasons.
Until last night
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice job Hancock
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Oswalt is dealing today
dealing?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to go So
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
Let's go Duncan.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
What'd I say people????????????????
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The only positive note lately...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
Lil Dunc...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Nope...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw you Crawford Boxes...
MWHAHAHAHA
:D
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Duncan
Now that stupid Quister is off the hook, and our bullpen gets to blow another one.
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
wouldn't it be huge
2 k's for Apu today...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Sarcasm aside.....
To put that into perspective, Howards has 74 RBIs in 156 at-bats with runners in scoring position. Albert Pujols has 81 RBIs in only 118 at-bats with runners in scoring position and 9 strikeouts. Howard has had 38 more opportunities with runners in scoring position, drove in 7 fewer runners and struck out 6 times as many (46 more strikeouts) in that situation than Pujols.
Ryan Howard actually has more strikeouts in situations to drive runs in than he does hits.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
24-7
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
But, but, but just the other day...
ND--the most consistently overrated team in history.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That whole 'you have to be smart'
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You obviously don't..
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
very nice
It's a lot easier to say that now that the offense has tied it up.....
That being said I still don't trust Marquis to start in the postseason.
I don't trust Marquis
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I said the exact same thing
Sosa
Damn.
by levistahl on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
His name is
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
brad thompson
josh kinney
braden looper
the 1st two batters were lefties --- why not randy flores?
this isn't pitching
Wow....this team is so hard to like
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
It's like
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Phew
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Did they move tomorrow's game to ESPN?
Nice Enc!
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
putting sosa in
by fandomismasochism on Sep 23, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
i was just
Bottom of the 9th
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Tony must think there is NO way
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY????????????????????????????
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what a give up!
I don't believe what I just saw
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
I dont care
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well, vizcaino proved just about everyone wrong...
God
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
he butchered it!
Mother of Christ! thank you.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
stuff it ryan! you're really getting on my nerves
by snortyclaus on Sep 23, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
unbelievable
by fandomismasochism on Sep 23, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
WTF?
Could we seriously go on a postseason run? I'm not ruling it out, given how crazy and bizarre this year has been.
by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it's water under the bridge
It went out with
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't spiezio really good with 2 outs this year?
Can anyone else believe
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
get your mojo outta here
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't tell if you're serious
I'm not serious
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
BB to the Soul Patch of Doom
Phew
Way to pull that pitch on the outside corner.
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
What?
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you're venting negativity
I can't believe using Jose Visciano as a PH
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
i just pulled up gameday
by jojo5492 on Sep 23, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols stopped running
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am turning off the TV
by DimitroffVodka on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Argh
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Baby steps, baby steps...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I've just never seen anything like it
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
man...
by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
and...
It's unbelievable though. We're going to go home and clinch the division after having won 2 games at MOST on the road trip.
Unbelievable.
What a season.
Go Cards.
by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
chicken or the egg?
i'm not so sure you can fault larussa
That didn't happen
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
And the Astros
by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There really
by postsupervisor on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
hahaha
not to bitter, but acknowledging the sad reality of another tragic late game loss.
In an attempt to be civil
the logic for johnson
you would NOT want looper pitching to either man, since left-handed hitters murder him, and tony was saving wainwright for a save situation -- which everybody screamed at tony for not doing on friday night.
the logical options for that inning were flores and johnson. ty johnson pitched great friday night, got the cards out of a very tough jam and preserved a 1-run lead against the heart of the houston order. he's not very good, but he was as good for that situation as anybody else they had.




















