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Game 153 Open Thread: September 23, 2006


marquis             oswalt
14-15, 5.82        14-8, 3.05

if i thought the cardinals were truly a good team, and that these ugly september stumbles were marring an otherwise handsome season or imperiling a potentially beautiful october, i might be distraught by these last couple games. but what, really, is at risk here? at best, they make the playoffs as longshots. at worst, they confirm what we've known for nigh on 4 months -- they ain't got the pitching.

for me, that takes the horror out of watching the team drift closer to the precipice. if they should ultimately go over the falls, big deal -- they're not that high off the ground to begin with. it's not a long way down.

and i still think -- less'n they panic -- they are not in great danger of missing the playoffs. houston and the natti are both 75-78 at this writing; if either one goes 9-0 down the stretch, they can post an 84-78 record. to beat that, st louis would have to go 5-5 (including the makeup game). so, in a worst-case scenario, they can solve all their problems by playing .500. given the (cough) possibility that houston or natti might actually lose a game or two in the last week-plus, a 3-7 record will probably suffice. that is, say houston goes 7-2 and finishes at 82-80; to beat that, st louis simply has to go 3-7 and they can march into october as proud nl central champs, at 83-79.

like i said, if they go over the falls, it's not a long way down.

we can't blame last night's loss on is'hausen, and we can't blame it on la russa. oh, there are folks trying to; the theory has been advanced that the cardinals would've won if tony had pitched looper for the 7th/8th and wainwright for the 9th, but that seems like a rather desperate stretch. somebody show me a little evidence -- like, show me that wainwright has consistently pitched more poorly in his 2d inning of work than in his 1st inning -- and i might consider that notion. i think a better explanation for what happened last night is that the cardinals are a bad road team with an undermanned bullpen playing an outstanding home team that's fired up for its last stand as defending nl champions -- and playing its last series of the year in its own building.

the cardinals did everything they reasonably could have done to win that game -- had the right players in the right situations, and got 100 percent effort out of those players. as for today's game -- well, that might be a different story. if marquis doesn't pitch well, i'm gonna wonder: would anthony reyes have pitched better? some kick in the nuts for the rookie: 1st he misses a turn because his coaches tell him he has a tired arm; now he misses one because marquis has a sore back.

whatever; it's tony's team. he gets to make these decisions, we just get to live with'm.

perfect segue to the news that jeff luhnow got a big promotion, adding the st louis farm system to his sphere of responsibility; he previously had been in charge of the amateur draft and international scouting. it's a logical move; the farm system is now full of guys he drafted over the last two years, and they're just beginning to ripen. at least one of his draftees (nick stavinoha) will probably open next season at triple A, and the double A roster will be jammed with luhnow picks -- jaime garcia, colby rasmus, chris perez, john jay, and mitch boggs for starters; maybe tyler greene, cory meachem, mark hamilton, randy roth, and/or bryan anderson by this time next year.

miklasz sees luhnow's promotion as a watershed moment for the organization, a significant power shift with implications at the managerial level:

Luhnow is one of a new generation of thinkers in baseball. He didn't play the game. He hasn't coached or managed. He uses evolved methods for evaluating players. This isn't La Russa's way of doing things. La Russa is old school all the way. And Luhnow is anything but old school.

DeWitt may try to spin it differently, but Luhnow's promotion signals a definite shift in philosophy in the Cardinals' baseball operations. What will be different? Young players and pitchers will be developed, and they will get a full chance to succeed at the major-league level.

we've already heard statements from dewitt about the organization's need to commit to young players; the personnel changes are consistent with those remarks. i wouldn't think this affects la russa's status for next season, but his contract runs out after 2007 -- just as the first of luhnow's babies are ready to hatch. la russa has been sounding weary lately . . . . .

bears watching.

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nothing has fired me up more
then the completely inane way they have handled young anthony reyes. from the "he can't be successful with out the 2 seamer" debate, to keeping him down in AAA while the rotation was imploding, to begrudgingly bringing him up only when Mulder went down, to the "you have a tired arm" routine and now this. if they hated the kid so much, why didn't they trade him when they could've got the most in return for him?

there were a lot of things that went wrong with this season, but the reyes situation ticks me off the most. oswalt verses marquis....why don't we just concede to the sweep now?

sorry, still burned up about the last 2 losses..

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Sep 23, 2006 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno if they hate him...
so much as not trust him. And really, he can't be trusted to do what LaRussa wants: 7 innings, 3 runs or less.

Ponson-Marquis-Weaver can't be trusted to do this either, but to substitute Reyes for one of the above is not necessarily in the best long term interests of the team.

Like someone pointed out, he's a Boras guy so we'll have him for 6 years. Better the clock starts ticking when he's a polished product so we get the best 6 years of his career. If his demotion in August keeps him from super-2 status the club will save millions.

Other clubs do similar stuff, I think the blogger pointed out in June the Angels sent down Jared Weaver after he had gone 4-0 with a 1.37 era in his first four starts.

As for the 2 seamer controversy, I can't really speak to this other than saying it is likely Dave Duncan knows more about becoming an effective starting pitcher than most of us. I understand the team would be better off in the short term if Reyes pitched to his immediate strength, but, barring a highly improbable October run, this season is largely a failure no matter what he does. Better to manage Reyes with long-term objectives in mind.

by guayzimi on Sep 23, 2006 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

i really like the sounds of luhnow
i admittedly don't like la russa and think he's lost his touch as a manager, but even beyond that i think the organization is reaching a point where it just needs a fresh change. 10 plus years managing one team is a really long time for any sport. i'm ready for a new era of cardinals baseball.

by jojo5492 on Sep 23, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Regarding last night:
I'm a long-time Cardinal fan (barely remember losing the '68 series) and have been through the pennant races of the '70s ('73 and '74 went down to the last weekend), '80s, '90s and now the oughts, and one thing I have acquired over time is:

Perspective. And through it, peace of mind.

Sure, I get upset, and frustrated, in the moment as I watch Wainwright, and then Looper cough up multiple runs to blow yet another tight game (why can't we get Orklando Palmeiro out?).

But I've seen enough games this year, and over my lifetime, to know that incredible, thrilling victories come along with ugly, disappointing losses, and that, if all teams were equal and the law of averages worked out, the Cardinals would be World Champs once every 30 years.

We're going to lose a lot---65 to 75 times in the average Cardinal year these days---and you just have to take a mental step back and realize that a loss is a loss, and this team---no matter how flawed or uninspired they may seem---will be playing postseason ball in October.

Think about that: Fans of 80 percent of the teams will not be watching their favorites after next weekend, but we will. Again.

They ran a graphic last night showing the Cardinals recent yearly results, and since Pujols' arrival the Cardinals have failed to go to the NLCS just once, in 2003.

We all want the championship, and as fans, really, none of us will be satisfied, especially with some of the great players we have, until we get one.

But some might say that you're not really satisfied until you're dead or you just don't care.

So yes, I might get "negative" when the team blows a late-inning lead, but come on, how bad is it, really? Bad enough that I actually get ANGRY, angry enough to type four-letter words and broadcast to the world the depth of my anger?

And if I'm that angry about a baseball game---something that I supposedly enjoy and choose to spend chunks of my life following---how do I feel about TRULY upsetting things, and what is my reaction to those?

If I justify my anger BECAUSE I spend so much time following the team, and I CARE so much that when they do poorly I get upset, then maybe I need to change my hobby to something in which my side always wins---like closed-range "hunting" or playing Scrabble against my 9-year-old niece.

Nobody likes to lose when you play a game, but handling losing with dignity and perspective is part of playing (and being a fan), and if you can't do that, that's your right, but it sure is unpleasant to be around you.

by salvomania on Sep 23, 2006 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

It does get to be...
a bit much... absolutely love the site, but a certain doomsday mentality seems to take over the in-game threads every now and again...

On the whole though I think you can just chalk it up to fans that likely can't remember '68, or '78, or maybe even '88. Better too much passion than too little, I guess...

by guayzimi on Sep 23, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think it's bad here?
Try reading the bernies pressbox/cards talk forums (on stltoday). They make this place look like optimist central.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viva and Bernie's Pressbox
Well said Salvo.

I really used to enjoy reading people's comments and thoughts both here and in Bernie's Pressbox but it has gotten so personal and negative that I rarely do it anymore.

by indakind on Sep 23, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent post salvo
thanks very much for expressing those sentiments. i would amplify the thought in your last sentence: in my opinion, handling losing with dignity and perspective is not just part of playing and being a fan, it's the most important part. because it's something 95+ percent of the players and fans --- all but the lucky ones who play for and follow the eventual world champs -- have to handle.

and handling disappointment with grace isn't just part of being a fan; it's part of being an adult.

btw, i have lost to my niece at Scrabble before . . . .

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In agreement
You're exactly right in that it's pointless to get so worked up about losses. After Biggio's game-winner last night, my co-worker let loose a string of colorful metaphors. I had to remind him he was being very un-Dude.

I know from time to time I can be guilty of overreacting to losses, but I rationalize that by telling myself it's just a character I play on my blog when I make such posts.

And inside the body of this obsessive Cardinals fan beats the cold, unfeeling heart of a copy editor: The Cardinals didn't make it out of the NLDS in 2001, Pujols' rookie year.

by 26thMan on Sep 23, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The '68 WS tore my heart out...
...and so while I still get momentarily upset, I cool down quickly, because there's always tomorrow.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes
Just for the hell of it, let me see if I can defend the decision to bump Reyes.

He's thrown 162.2 innings this year between Memphis and St. Louis, and, as we've all seen, there have been a fair number of high-pitch innings in there.  Previously, he'd never thrown more than 142 innings (last year). Whether or not he really had a tired arm, there's reason for concern that he might wear down. If he's starting a game in the playoffs, there is some logic behind resting him a bit now.

by DCGreg on Sep 23, 2006 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree, but
if he is starting to wear down, he shouldn't have been the scheduled starter last night anyway.  call it a bullpen game or whatever but the fact that he was scheduled to go last night seems to indicate that they're not as worried about him wearing down now that they held him back once.  I don't get it.  If he's tired, he should sit.  If he's not, he's better than Marquis and should be out there.  You can't have it both ways.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair point
It's hard to see this as part of a well-thought-out plan. But if Reyes is getting a postseason start -- and that still seems to be a possibility based on what TLR said after his last start -- I'm not sure I see this as a bad thing.

by DCGreg on Sep 23, 2006 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really do not agree....
Lets look at a few statistics since we love 'em so much:

Manager         Years  Average Wins% Made Play-offs
LaRussa           11      88           45%
Torre           5      79            0%
Herzog           10      85           30%
Schoendienst   11         85           18%

LaRussa include this year w/ 84 wins
Torre average wins without 1994           
Herzog average wins without 1981           

Sorry about the poor format, did this in excel then pasted it here.  Now looking at the data, why would you be ready for a new era of Cardinal baseball?  One that makes the post season as much as 45% of the time?  Breaking down these numbers you can argue that it is "easier" than ever to make the play-off since Herzog and Red did not have the ability to make the wild-card and Torre was given an 89 cent team from an AB ownership that enjoyed the net income and did not care about winning, but seriously, LaRussa looks good here.  Give Red and Whitey a nod for a WS win each, and Whitey another for 2 other WS appearences, but again, the LaRussa era Cards have had their chances.

Good WS chances:
1996 - up 3-1 games over the Braves and the Cards get greedy at home (or stupid) and pitch Todd on 3-days rest, result: loss 14-0.  Cards get outscored 18-1 over the last two games (oh god was that hard to watch) and crush my dreams of a WS (and yours too)

2004 - do I need to recap this?  Swept like a dirty floor...ug.

Others - lost 2005, 2002, and 2000 NLCS (or worked in those series however you want to put it)

So, to get to the point here...is it Tony that has lost us these chances or got us there?

The great debate.

by riescher on Sep 23, 2006 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

The WC isn't the only thing that makes it
easier to reach the playoffs in the modern era--the three division format makes it significantly easier, as well.  Twice as many teams make the playoffs now versus 1994, and four times as many teams make the playoffs now versus 1968.  Red's playoff % is absolutely insane given that last fact.  

by Valatan on Sep 23, 2006 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really excited...
if what Bernie says is true. He also mentioned that Luhnow may be getting groomed to be Jocketty's successor. I look forward to a new school of Cardinals baseball, even though it may be 3 years before it comes into effect. Young players instead of aged veterans sounds great to me.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Give anyone
two or three of the best position players in the league and a Cy Young winner and a payroll that's in the top 3-4 in the league.

They'll average 88 wins and make the postseason.

Granted, not every TLR team has had those exact ingredients, but they're routinely stocked with at least a handful of superstars and benefit from an above-average payroll.

Most teams in baseball do not enjoy those advantages.

What has TLR and Co. brought to the table to complement the advantages of superstars and high payroll that then translates into increased success beyond what you'd expect, given what you start with?

I'd say, not much. For every amazing Dunc success story, like Woody Williams (subsequently mismanaged horribly), there is a failure, like Sid Ponson. There's the great trade, like Edmonds for Bottenfield/Kennedy, but then the duds like Mulded for Haren/Calero/Barton.

I know that TLR cares a lot about winning, but his micromananging and button-pushing results in, I believe, players who are reduced to pawns at the mercy of the great puppetmaster. The players perform without joy or emotion (save the pandemonium of the occasional walk-off hit) and find themselves by the end of the year drained of the energy, fire and enthusiasm that seems to characterize many successful October teams.

The team reflects the personality of the manager, so they become uptight, neurotic, paranoid and afraid of failure.

That is the mark of a TLR team. That they win 88 games a year and make the playoffs can be mostly explained with one word: Albert.

by salvomania on Sep 23, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

the Phil Jackson effect
Is the Zen Master that great of a coach? Or is he just lucky enough to be surrounded by superstars? It's a good question, but to my mind it comes down to this....anybody, in any sport, who coaches/manages for decades and consistently fields a competitive, if not dominant, team year in and year out, has to have something going for them other than luck.

Take the Yankees. The George could have anybody he wants managing that team. It goes without saying that if he thought somebody could do it better than Torre, he'd fire Torre in a heartbeat and not think twice about it. It seems to me that an owner who's got the money to build a powerful team and the will to spend it is going to have good players; but it's certainly possible to have a high payroll and a team stocked with talent with a shitty manager (cough the Cubs cough cough).

Is TLR Teh Genius? I dunno. Is he going to the Hall of Fame? Well, sure. Does he deserve it? Hard to say. I don't think the sabermetricians have come up with a way to accurately rate managers yet (Player-Independent Managerial Skill? Isolated Managing? who knows), but I bet they will eventually. I think you'd find that guys like TLR and Bobby Cox and Joe Torre would come out of that looking pretty good.

Look at it this way....a driver won't win a race without a good car, but that car isn't going to drive itself.

Two other things:

  1. I think you're spot on about emotion on this club. They only rarely look like they're having fun, but maybe that's a byproduct of winning 100 games two years running and then dropping off to about ~85 or so.
  2. I still think trading for Mulder was a great idea, and it's easy to forget that he pitched pretty well for us before he got hurt. It's not Jock's fault he continued to pitch long after he was ineffective (just like Izzy), and that's something that can be held against TLR IMHO. It sure would be nice to have Haren still, but them's the breaks. It would be nicer IMHO to have vintage Mulder back, because we really need a dominant lefty starter.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting
I think you may be onto something Salvo...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're dead on about larussa
some people will blame him for anything.  Rolen pops up, it's larussa's fault.  izzy blows a save, it's larussa's fault.  At some point don't we have to hold the players accountable.  If Wainwright and Looper can't get 2 IP w/o giving up 4 runs to the likes of Eric Bruntlett, Orlando Palmeiro, and Adam Everett, how is that LaRussa's fault?  He puts the players out there and they either make plays or they don't.  Hell, Looper gave up 2 ER in less than 1 IP.  Why do some think he could've done better if had gone 2 IP?

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you
Though it should be said that if Izzy blows a save because he's run out on the mound while injured, it is La Russa's fault.  If an obviously injured Mulder is repeatedly taking the mound and giving up 5 ER in a start, then it is La Russa's fault.

Let's see what you've got, Jason.  I almost hope that you get shelled, so that there is no chance that you're gonna sniff the postseason.

by Valatan on Sep 23, 2006 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with every word
of both of these posts. Both Wainwright and Loop stunk last night.

That's the big black mark on the season to me: Mulder, Izzy, and also Edmonds playing when they clearly should not have. Very strange; any one of those cases in isolation wouldn't be remarkable, but all three in one season? Inexplicable, and not the usual TLR brand of inexplicability.

And in that context, I am very nervous about Rolen....I have the feeling that his production is going to be make-or-break for the Birds in October....he had better be healthy if he's being run back out there in these quasi-meaningless games.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i would
never say that marquis has no chance of starting in the postseason. he's a veteran who competes right?

by The Butcher on Sep 23, 2006 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I rewatched last night game
and we just got INCREDIBLY unlucky in the 9th inning.  Palmeiro's hit was such a flukey hit.  A ball letter high and off the plate shot down the chalkline?

Not to take anything away from Palmiero's hit but those are the kind of bad breaks we seem to KEEP catching ALL THE TIME this season.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Incredibly unlucky...
in my opinion, is the way to describe this whole season. I truly believe if Eck and Edmonds hadn't went down, and Mulder had been healthy all year, we'd be nearing 100 wins again this season.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

100 wins
if Eck, Edmonds, Mulder don't get hurt? Only if Izzy's hip doesn't disintegrate too.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oquendo in '08?
Wouldn't that be something?!  Hell, I bet he could still be a player/manager.  He could put himself in as a defensive replacement late in games, or call for, set up, and execute suicide-squeezes all by himself!  

Like it was said earlier, "look forward to a new school of Cardinals baseball"... so why not put Oquendo at the helm.

by SethWestern on Sep 23, 2006 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Rooting for Buerhle to stink....
I'm hoping he continues to have trouble the rest of the year. I really think the guy still has alot of talent, just having an awful second half. Therefore I don't want the ChiSox to pick up his option, so he can come to the Cardinals. I think he could do good here, especially with as weak as the NL is compared to the AL. A rotation of:
  1. Carpenter
  2. Buerhle
  3. Reyes
  4. Suppan
  5. Wainwright, or if he is going to stick to the bullpen/closer role, then a Gil Meche/Ted Lilly/etc... type guy.
I think that could be a solid starting rotation, especially if Suppan can start off next year like his second half this year.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Buerhle
reminds me of 2004 mulder
Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2006 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

me, too
and the more he stinks, the more he's going to keep reminding me of mulder.  Yet, the only way that Chicago won't pick up his option is if he stinks.  It would widen the pool of potential free agents thus perhaps bringing down the cost of Schmidt or Zito a little.  But I'm not sold on Buehrle for 4-5 more years at all.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That rotation might not be too bad...
but I'd like to see the Cards have at least 2 top guns at the top of the rotation (perhaps Schmitt {sp?} as mentioned here previously), as opposed to one top gun and the rest pop guns.  

Look, I consider Houston to be similar to us as a "small" market team.  If they can have Oswalt, Clemens and Pettite, I think we should be able to afford (at least) one more Howitzer at the top o' the pitching staff.

I'm just not sure Buehrle is that second top gun.

by philbobilbo on Sep 23, 2006 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Buerhle
Buerhle is a legit #2 starter, and just as good as Schmidt, in my opinion. Besides, we won't be getting Schmidt (probably won't get Buerhle either)
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

is anyone else concerned by these stats
k/9 - Player A vs. Player B
04 5.58 - 6.05
05 4.87 - 5.67
06 4.82 - 4.33

k/BB
04 1.69 - 3.24
05 1.59 - 3.73
06 1.43 - 2.13

Thats Mulder vs. Buerhle. Now I will say that Buehrle's other peripherals aren't as alarming and PECOTA still likes him for the next 5 years around 8mill a year.  I'm just worried that Buehrle is exhibiting the same characteristics as Mulder circa 2004.  Declining strikeout rate, heavy workload for the last few years.  Maybe it's just me but I see a breakdown in Buehrle's future.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't touch him
the k-rate drop, at his age, is a classic sign of decline, a la mulder + matt morris. his home run rate also is way up.

i've never been that high on the guy; this year raises serious concerns.

let someone else gamble on him.

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed completely
and he only becomes available the worse he gets.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buerhle.....
Oh, I think he would be a nice fit for this team.....he is from this area, he really might like to be a Cardinal at some point in his career.  The Cardinals had better start developing their own starting pitching.  There has been plenty free agent pitchers who sign big contracts then forget how to pitch.  Or have their elbow, shoulder, labrum or rotator cuff explode.  Better to develop your own.  Then you also need a manager that is willing to go with the homegrown talent.  This scouting director guy has actually but some good talent into the system the past two years.  But Tony doesn't really want to pitch Reyes.  He doesn't want to pitch Kinney either.  They both have pitched well enough--rocky on a few outings, very good on others.  Run with 'em!

by jillsinmo on Sep 23, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

METS...
guess who is in line to play them in the first round now.... assuming we still make it that is.

by Timbo02 on Sep 23, 2006 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good...
The only chance we have of beating the Mets is in a 5 game series. Might as well get it over with. Besides, i'd rather face them then the Phils.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with that
The only hope against them is in a 7-game series--in a 5 game series, we face Glavine and Pedro twice each, which, IMO, is a recipie for disaster

by Valatan on Sep 23, 2006 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not twice each
for that to happen, the mets would have to pitch pedro and glavine on short rest in games 4 and 5. more likely we'd face pedro in 1 and 5, glavine in 2, el duque in 3, and either maine or trachsel in 4.

in my mind, a 5-game set is easier for the cards. if you go to 7 games, you're adding 2 games to the series without adding any carpenter starts -- he'll start 2x in either a 5-game or 7-game series. so going to 7 games merely imposes a heavier responsibility on the underbelly of the rotation.

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

At some point..
..if the Cardinals are ever going to be successful in the postseason, they won't be able to benefit from a favorable match-up and they'll actually have to go out and beat a supposedly superior team.

by salvomania on Sep 23, 2006 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

More interesting developments....
Take this for what its worth:

"Jeff Gordon reported today on his 1380 radio show that a very close friend of TLR's told Gordo that "TLR is toast" meaning burnt out from this season and could be ready to take a long hike back to the Bay Area (San Fran Giants perhaps?)! "

Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

if he is toast
do you really think that he'd be happier rebuilding w/ the giants.  They're going to pretty much have to start over after this year w/ so many geriatrics and free agents.  If he really is burned out (and after this season, most of us are), I'd think he'd be more likely to take a year hiatus or quit managing altogether.  

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pesonally....
I would rather see the Met's in the LDS. I think a 5-game series gives us a good oppurtunity to knock them off, and may help us get really rolling if we do.
I still think the Met's pitching is pathetic, not unlike our own. To me, that means it's a toss-up, and I think anyone that can decently hit the ball has a great chance of beating them in a 5-gamer.

Besides, I think Albert liked playing at Shea....

by fuegophil on Sep 23, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Perspective...
I've been a Cards fan literally my whole life, all 54 years of it(family tradition), and I used to live and die by this team every summer. In fact, my former co-workers could tell by my mood if the Cards had won or lost the night before. I've never been married or have any kids, and relationships have not been my strong suit over the years, so the Cards have pretty much been it for me.
In 2004, that all changed for me, forever. In the span of 2 1/2 months, I lost my job, my apartment, my dog, and worst of all, my mother. Baseball no longer meant everything to me, and I still feel the same way today. I still love the Cardinals, don't get me wrong; if they win, great, if not, oh well. It's just a damn game, afterall.

by cardsrul on Sep 23, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope that since 2004
things have worked out a little better for you.

But you're right, it is a game---we're supposed to be able to enjoy the playing of the game, win or lose. Winning is more fun, but you can enjoy and appreciate the game either way.

by salvomania on Sep 23, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's funny
the cards get me so worked up sometimes and I hate it when they get knocked out of the playoffs.  But when they do, I really enjoy the other series and, of course, the world series.  Even if i decide to root for one team, I'm not completely invested in them as I am the cards and I can really relax and enjoy baseball.  It really is a beautiful game when you're not watching your favorite team.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh good
I see we've decided to go with Marquis instead of Reyes vs. Oswalt tonight.

That worked out well last time...

However, I have a feeling that we're about due to rough up RoyO a little bit. Hopefully we won't be in too big a hole after the first inning...

"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Tonight's predictions:
Albert reaches career highs in HRs and RBIs.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, this is an interesting lineup
D. Eckstein ss  
C. Duncan rf  
A. Pujols 1b  
S. Spiezio 3b  
J. Rodriguez lf  
R. Belliard 2b  
S. Schumaker cf  
G. Bennett c
J. Marquis p

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

lineups
StL

Eck SS
Dunc LF
Albert 1B
Speeeez 3B
Johnny LF
Belly 2B
Schumaker CF
Bennett C
Marqy-Mark P

Hou

Biggio 2B
Ensberg 3B
Berkman 1B
Scott, LF
Huff, RF
Burke, CF
Everett, SS
Ausmus, C
Oswalt, P

Nice to see Rolen get a day off.  Let's hope that Schumaker does well in today's start.  Enc on the bench today--is Edmonds availible?  I heard that rumor

by Valatan on Sep 23, 2006 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Alberts K's
are even with his HR's now I think. He needs another HR tonight.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Horton called that one well
He said, "Berkman's just waiting for a changeup." Bennett got shook off on the curveball, put down three fingers, and Horton came pretty close to saying, "and he's just dumb enough to throw it."

He was looking good until that pitch, too.

Nice effort by Skip on Biggio's single... Good to see him get a start.

by liam on Sep 23, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

God, it would be nice
to not give the run right back occasionally...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horton's on a roll today
"The good thing about Marquis is that he works hard. The bad thing about him is that he makes pitching look like hard work."

I know a lot of people don't like Rick, but outside from Orel Hershiser, Jon Miller, and Joe Buck, he's probably the only commentator on TV that adds anything to the game.

Wonder if they'll see if Marquis and Reyes can combine to pitch nine innings every fifth day from here on out. Give the bullpen a rest and get Narveson stretched out.

Very happy to see Skip get that hit to the outfield. Big fan of the kid.

by liam on Sep 23, 2006 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugghhh
i will be so glad when marquis is gone
hit em where they aint

by thefordhamflash on Sep 23, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work Oquendo...
Oh wait, no it wasn't. Come on now, do you really  think we can waste opportunities in a game vs Oswalt?!
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch.
marquis' 34th HR ...
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Sep 23, 2006 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Game over...
and houston creeps another game closer. Not that I really expected us to win this game, with MArquis pitching for us and OSwalt for them.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

with 1 out in the 3d
marquis' era is 5.89. the all-time franchise high for an era qualifier is 5.93 --- set in (i think) 1929 . . . .

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

do you know what his 2nd half ERA is?
Seems like Marquis hasn't had one of those 8 inning 1 run games in a while....he used to come up with one every so often.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

On July 23rd
Jason went 8.0 innings and gave up no runs...

Since then, the best outing he's had has been 2ER in 7 innings...

"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

his 2d half era
was 6.27 before tonight.

his era since the 2d half of last season --- that is, 2d half of '05, and all of '06 --- is 5.34. that's the worst in the national league over that period of time (min 250 ip) and the 3d worst in mlb.

and still tony and dave think he's going to get it turned around . . . . .

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, guess who the 4th and 5th worst
pitchers are?

#4 is matt morris: 5.16.

#5 is jeff weaver: 5.10.

the best pitcher in baseball? johann santana, 2.41. carpenter's 2d best (best in the nl) at 3.03. webb's 3d, zambrano 4th, oswalt 5th.

suppan is #14, with an overall era of 3.65 in 266 innings

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suppan is #14?
I would never have thought that. That's pretty cool.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they've seen
"alot of positives" in his performance tonight...
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That B^$#^&% Bonds..
...with a huge  *  just became the NL's HR king surpassing the classy Henry Aaron. Damn you Balco barry.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Hitting them hard, but
the bad karma at Minute maid continues

by Podlol on Sep 23, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Did he just throw Berkman another change-up?/
If he did he should be put in stocks and whipped by guys on steroids.

by fuegophil on Sep 23, 2006 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Rooney...
Can barely contain his disgust for Marquis. As the game wears on it becomes more and more apparent.

by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

whew
no more damage....top of the order coming up in the top of the 5th....feels like the Cards need to have a bat around to win this game....

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like Albert has
a lot of first pitch pop ups lately. Anyone have stats on his  average or slug % on the first, second third strike pithc for him?

by Podlol on Sep 23, 2006 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

He basically just reeled off a bunch of stats
about how bad we've been on the road in the 2nd half.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oswalt
hasn't been particularly good tonight, but the Cardinals are a lousy situational hitting team, so what can you expect?

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

He
has plus speed, plus defense and walked and singled.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This start
will cement Jason Marquis as the #3 starter in the playoffs.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope you're wrong
"Paging Dr. Kenneth Noisewater..."

by iron duke75 on Sep 23, 2006 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woot woot
Tony has seen enough.

Loss #16 for the Quister.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He's been really awesome since he changed up
his socks.  What a complete dick.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way!! Ensberg's on ahead of Berkman
JM's over 100 pitches pull him!!!
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW
Detroit over KC 15-0 in the 5th. Oof.

A good reminder to be happy to bite one's nails watching this team....much better than having to ignore a team that will probably lose 100 games for I think the fourth time in five seasons.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Until last night
I believe the Royals had a better record in the second half (or maybe Aug/Sept) than the division leading Tigers.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job Hancock
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt is dealing today
he's on pace to throw a complete game, again, against our struggling offense

by lawman3842 on Sep 23, 2006 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

dealing?
he's been mediocre at best. We just have no timely hitting.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go So
wouldn't want to slide under the tag there slick.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's go Duncan.
This homer will break Alberts Cardinal rookie second half record.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

What'd I say people????????????????
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only positive note lately...
how about Ecks hitting since he came back? That break helped him out a ton. He's on fiyaaa
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Lil Dunc...
did that hit the fair pole?
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope...
just a good ole fashioned crawford box cheapie, Duncan must like minute maid.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncussion!
I like this kid.
and it did hit the pole, yeah

by mattybobo on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunc!
There's one vote for the Crawford Boxes, five hundred against.

by DanUpBaby on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan
does it again.

Now that stupid Quister is off the hook, and our bullpen gets to blow another one.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

wouldn't it be huge
if we could have a guy in our lineup who regularly takes advantage of those cheap homers in Houston?

by lawman3842 on Sep 23, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

2 k's for Apu today...
I think he officially has more k's then homers now? OMG TRADE HIM!!!!! :P
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 23, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Sarcasm aside.....
....Ryan Howard has struckout 55 times in 156 at-bats with runners in scoring position.

To put that into perspective, Howards has 74 RBIs in 156 at-bats with runners in scoring position. Albert Pujols has 81 RBIs in only 118 at-bats with runners in scoring position and 9 strikeouts. Howard has had 38 more opportunities with runners in scoring position, drove in 7 fewer runners and struck out 6 times as many (46 more strikeouts) in that situation than Pujols.

Ryan Howard actually has more strikeouts in situations to drive runs in than he does hits.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!
Michigan St. just intercepted Brady Quinn and returned it 19 yards for a TD.

24-7

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

But, but, but just the other day...
...we were told they were #2 in the country. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

ND--the most consistently overrated team in history.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously don't..
...understand how the admissions process works at ND. This is just another one of their great myths that the press slobbers over and repeats ad nauseam.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

very nice
Marquis off the hook....5 1/3 IP 3ER 3BB 1K, Hancock pulled his bacon out of the fire in the 6th, but (deep breath) overall Marquis didn't do a bad job.

It's a lot easier to say that now that the offense has tied it up.....

That being said I still don't trust Marquis to start in the postseason.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't trust Marquis
to use a child-proof lighter.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh
Sosa is in.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

sosa ????
are we trying to lose?

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I said the exact same thing
When they brought in Sosa. Said to my girlfriend, "Every Cardinal fan out there is shaking their heads right now, wondering why we're doing our best to give this one away."

by liam on Sep 24, 2006 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!
Good call, Tony!

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

now that's on tony
no excuse for putting that pitcher on the mound in that situation

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Sosa
I'm with you, lboros. I see no reason not to put any other reliever out there. I know we ran through a lot of pitchers last night, but there's got to be one non-Sosa pitcher out there.

Damn.

by levistahl on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

His name is
Brad Thompson. He hasn't pitched in a few days, and has more of a future than Sosa.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

brad thompson
anthony reyes
josh kinney
braden looper

the 1st two batters were lefties --- why not randy flores?

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe
larussa threw darts at the list of bullpen names and it landed on sosa?  

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has more of a present
than sosa does, too.   (or maybe not)

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't pitching
it's like a frigging slot machine....you never know what you're gonna get, but the odds of you enjoying the outcome are just not very good....

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow....this team is so hard to like
i really can't take much more.  Say what you will about the 100-loss Royals.....at least there's no tease.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

It's like
Tony is just winging it on a PS2 now. "Tie game and a chance to lower the Magic Number to three? Eff it, I'll just go with the guy that's given up almost 30 home runs in less than 130 innings.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Phew
Here comes some assurance..Encarnacion.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Did they move tomorrow's game to ESPN?
(haha right after I say I can't take any more)

Nice Enc!

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

putting sosa in
in that situation is absolutely inexcusable. even more baffling, he sent him in to face two lefties. i can't complain about the bullpen management last night, but this one is another in a string of horrible recent moves (including leaving izzy in vs. the nats and putting sosa in against the d'backs) that just defy common sense. it has to be demoralizing for the other players.

by fandomismasochism on Sep 23, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Man
you guys must be depressed...

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

i was just
thinking the exact same thing.  btw, i am!  i didn't have much hope coming into the game but dunc's pop up homer changed that.  then came sosa!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Bottom of the 9th
Will we see Rolen or Edmonds here for Bennett/Kinney?

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

should see rolen
and either wilson or miles, i'd say.

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm hoping
 he's planning on bunting miles to 3rd!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wheeler
 has been deadly since the all-star break!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

what a give up!
i know he (tony) didn't really give up but it sure does seem like it.  used damned near every scrub we have.  let sosa blow the game.  vizcaino here w/ rolen in the dugout!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont care
i still hate the fact he was hitting there.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viz 2B
the man with the hot hand is up.....

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

God
Eckstein can't get a RBI to save his life. He's been miserable this seaon.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

good!
flores is getting loose.  too bad we can't turn back the clock 2 innings!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally
a break!

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

tie game!
eck just got an rbi... maybe a gun was at his head?

by mattybobo on Sep 23, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

he butchered it!
hot damn!  if he just plays it on the hop, vizcaino has to stop @ 3rd and they still have a chance at the DP!  what an f-ing break!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Mother of Christ! thank you.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

unbelievable
i can't figure this team out. if we win this, it will be the biggest emotional 180 i've gone through in recent memory. if not...then i'm used to the feeling given the recent games. please albert, come through here.

by fandomismasochism on Sep 23, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

180?
more like a 540, at least....

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?
This team...they might suck half of the time, but hey, you never know what you are going to get.

Could we seriously go on a postseason run? I'm not ruling it out, given how crazy and bizarre this year has been.

by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garner
smartened up.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

unlike larussa
verses berkman
aka "the Rev"

by erik on Sep 23, 2006 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

but albert isn't
the go-ahead run . . . . . . .

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's water under the bridge
but i still woulda liked to have seen berkman given the open base...
aka "the Rev"

by erik on Sep 23, 2006 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't spiezio really good with 2 outs this year?
i don't know how many, but doesn't he have a lot of his rbis with 2 outs?

by mattybobo on Sep 23, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

OK
Eck on 2nd, Pujols on 1st, Speez at the plate with two out....are we going to see Lidge?

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Can anyone else believe
that they will lose ELEVEN one-run games in a row, and FOUR in one week?!

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

get your mojo outta here
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey
you should be thanking me.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't tell if you're serious
i mean, you couldn't really be serious . . . . what kind of person would be glued to the set watching a team he disliked so much?

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not serious
Don't worry, Boros, I'm doing my very best to jinx the Astros.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god
Juan'cion in a tight spot?

HA!

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

your turn juan
how about a blooper!  and remember, you don't have to swing at the 1st pitch!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

BB to the Soul Patch of Doom
This is still the regular season, right? Cause it sure feels like a playoff game....

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Phew
great AB, Juan...

Way to pull that pitch on the outside corner.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

you're a drag dude
why not take the rest of the night off?

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?
Boros, what did I say? That was a lousy AB.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're venting negativity
we know you have lost faith in the team; we know you are sure they're going to lose. you don't need to say it 25 times

by lboros on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe using Jose Visciano as a PH
worked.  I mean, that seems beyond the realm of comprehension.  

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

i just pulled up gameday
and eckstein scored on a 2 out groundout to third? how does that work

by jojo5492 on Sep 23, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

never mind
gameday posted the score wrong

by jojo5492 on Sep 23, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

bouncer to 3rd
ensberg ran and stepped on the base!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols stopped running
so he didn't get tagged, but then he was forced out at 3rd anyways...so Eck scored, Juan reached first, but the force out wiped all that out.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am turning off the TV
I don't feel like watching the Cardinals lose for the 4th night in a row in the ninth inning.

by DimitroffVodka on Sep 23, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

bad luck
but leadoff walks late in the game are killers!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh...
this seems all too familiar.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 23, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Argh
Balls bouncing underneath a padding, Berkman sawing off of a good pitch, their luck is just nil right now.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Well
at least it wasn't by one run...

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Baby steps, baby steps...
...however, couldn't manage to even get one out.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think i can take
this much heartbreak night after night. criminy
aka "the Rev"

by erik on Sep 23, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

... i can't frickin' believe it...
what do we need to do, sacrifice a live chicken?

by mattybobo on Sep 23, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I've just never seen anything like it
Four walk-off losses in one week. How is that even possible?

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

man...
MLB audio is slow tonight. I'm still waiting for the top of the 9th and Mike is talking about wanting a "grand salami" into the Crawford boxes.

by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

and...
Because it's slow, yet Gameday is updated, I don't need to subject myself to the torture of hearing the bottom of the 9th. Good riddance.

It's unbelievable though. We're going to go home and clinch the division after having won 2 games at MOST on the road trip.

Unbelievable.

What a season.

Go Cards.

by matt reeder on Sep 23, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

chicken or the egg?
does larussa always seem to call on the wrong guy at the wrong time or do we have no one in our bullpen who can get anyone out?  johnson -- 3 left-handed batters, 3 baserunners, 3 earned runs!

by chuckb on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm not so sure you can fault larussa
baseball is just a b*&#! sometimes. if anyone, fault oquendo for sending pujols early in the game...but do you want the bad karma that comes from finger-pointing at the secret weapon? goodnight gracie.
aka "the Rev"

by erik on Sep 23, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this 5 out of 6?
5 games lost out of our last 6, and all in the other team's last AB.

wow.

by kindred on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

That didn't happen
Good jesus
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

aw shit
Every time we scored in the top of an inning, Houston answered in the bottom. Ugh.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

And the Astros
are supposed to be a lousy offensive team.

by ryanisforever on Sep 23, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There really
MUST be a memo from the commissioner's office to LaRussa every September requiring him to let the Astros back in it so Clemens can pitch in the post season.

by postsupervisor on Sep 23, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha
i enjoyed that one.  

not to bitter, but acknowledging the sad reality of another tragic late game loss.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 23, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we turned Luke Scott
in to Babe Ruth....2 HR and 5 RBI.

by nota bene on Sep 23, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

In an attempt to be civil
I do not understand larussa's judgment. Johnson ceremoniously gave up a home run in the ninth in milwaukee and now he's our best option. Very frustrating. I was just saying how these losses don't bother me like they did beginning of July or against the Cubs, but this is an entirely new level of ineptitude. What is the logic for bring in johnson?

by Brownale on Sep 23, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

the logic for johnson
is that he's left-handed. you would want a left-hander to pitch to the 2d man up in that inning, berkman --- a switch-hitter who is much weaker vs lefties --- and to the 3d man up, luke scott, who is a left-handed hitter.

you would NOT want looper pitching to either man, since left-handed hitters murder him, and tony was saving wainwright for a save situation -- which everybody screamed at tony for not doing on friday night.

the logical options for that inning were flores and johnson. ty johnson pitched great friday night, got the cards out of a very tough jam and preserved a 1-run lead against the heart of the houston order. he's not very good, but he was as good for that situation as anybody else they had.

by lboros on Sep 24, 2006 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

TLR
Needs some new note cards on his LOOGY Tyler Johnson.....he pitched like Weaver does against lefty's.  That might not be fair to Weaver, since he did get plenty of the lefty Brewers out, and maybe he's turning a corner.  Let's not forget that 3 lefty's, 3 hits, 3 runs happened last night.

by jillsinmo on Sep 24, 2006 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

to be fair
before that inning, ty johnson had held left-handed hitters to a .197 average. he struck out luke scott the previous night and had him way off balance.

by lboros on Sep 24, 2006 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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