act I, scene I
[STAGE bare; hushed VOICES heard from behind curtain]
VOICE 1: I can't say it.
VOICE 2: You have to.
V1: I can't.
V2: Why not?
V1: I'm afraid it'll -- you know.
V2: Conjure forth?
V1: Yeah.
V2: Uh huh. Since when have you believed in witchcraft?
V1: I'm not sure . . . . since the Denkinger call, I think.
V2: Oh, for -- buck up, man. Come on. Don't censor yourself.
V1: I just don't think I should. It could really poison the atmosphere.
V2: The atmosphere is big. The atmosphere will dilute the poison.
V1: [thinks] . . . . I suppose that could happen.
V2: Have some faith.
V1: Well . . . . . . . alright. I guess.
BLOGGER steps through curtain, STAGE RIGHT; single spot.
BLOGGER: [clears throat] So -- been a while since they had one o' them there 8-game losing streaks, eh?
END ACT I
ha ha ha; i kid. . . . . mostly, i kid. i mean, they could lose 8 in a row, right? with this pitching staff, anything's possible. the team is not hitting, the bullpen's in flux, they don't play well on the road . . . . but no, i don't think they're going to choke a 7-game advantage away. even after all the late leads they've blown this year, i don't think they're going to blow this one.
something tells me, though, that the way st louis lost last night -- ie, on a big blow in the other team's last at-bat -- is the way they'll ultimately get knocked out of the playoffs. that has been a running theme since the first weekend of the 2006 season; they just haven't put games away. i hope i'm wrong of course, but any time a late-inning threat should arise in a playoff game we, as fans, are going to anticipate failure. we'll be trembling; we'll know it's coming. there has to be a sense in which the players will share that sense of impending defeat. they'll fight against it; maybe they'll overcome it and hang on to win the close ones. but it's just one more obstacle confronting the 06 redbirds.
as the 8th inning unfolded last night, numerous commenters in the game thread were calling for the IBB to berkman, so they have every right to question the decision to pitch to him -- they called it in advance and are not just 2d-guessing. in my mind, it was a very tough call. obvious argument for pitching around him -- he's the astros' best hitter by a longshot, particularly in that building, so why give him a chance to beat you? berkman's their version of pujols -- and we'd question the sanity / competence of any manager who pitched to pujols in that situation. very persuasive argument. on the other side, there's the ageless baseball rule that you never, ever deliberately put the winning run on base; make them earn every baserunner. the argument's summed up well by joker24 in this exchange from the postgame thread: berkman needed a homer to beat st louis, whereas luke scott -- who would have batted with two men on base after an IBB to berkman -- would merely have needed an extra-base hit. scott gets an extra-base hit about twice as often as berkman hits a homer, so pitching to berkman with one fewer man on base was the safer play. for that matter, the odds of scott and the next hitter both getting singles also were vastly higher than the odds that berkman would jack one in that situation. a walk there would have opened the door to all sorts of trouble. as joker24 points out, all the win-probability evidence strongly supports the decision la russa made: pitch to him.
the decision was surprisingly, and pleasingly, out of character for tony; he usually ducks confrontations like that one, and it always irks me when he does. i don't want my ace pitcher backing down from anybody; i don't want the manager managing out of fear; and i don't want decisions to be governed by the assumption that my team's best players aren't good enough to beat the other team's best players. well, let me qualify that: if my "best" is greg mathews, then maybe discretion is in order; but not when my best is chris carpenter. la russa challenged berkman, but more important he challenged his own player to rise to a big occasion. i think that's an essential part of how you win championships. carpenter may very well face just such an at-bat in the playoffs, ie the other team's stud hitter in the box with men on base in a tight late-inning spot. and it might be a situation where the IBB is not an option; might be you have no choice but to pitch to the guy. i don't want carpenter looking for a safety net in that situation; i want him to know how it feels to step onto the tightrope unsecured -- and feel steady in himself. he made some good pitches to berkman, but the one false step cost him a lot -- the game, and maybe the cy young award. hopefully he learns from the mistake and pitches the next guy a little tougher, a little more self-assuredly.
as for the cy young: webb also took a loss but pitched a better game than carp, yielding 3 runs in 7 innings. john brittain of the hardball times thinks webb should get the award -- and that was before last night's results. he doesn't have a vote, though . . . .
changing gears: the mets are facing the same playoff-rotation question that vexes the cardinals, pitting an "established" veteran pitcher with a high win total but no other redeeming statistics -- steve trachsel -- vs a rookie pitcher who is demonstrably better but "unproven" and hence "riskier" -- john maine. trachsel (15-7, 4.96) is cast in the jason marquis role; he's actually better than marquis, but just go with it. and maine (5-5, 3.42) is the mets' answer to anthony reyes (5-7, 4.92); he, too, is better than his stl counterpart. anyway, the Baseball Crank gives a very cogent take on the situation; different team, different fans, same basic sentiments. be interesting to see if randolph and la russa come down on the same side. . . . .
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Carp
by Edmonds is baseball on Sep 22, 2006 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
Or...
Normally, in that situation, Tony turns Berkman around and makes him face a lefty. Last night, because is WAS Carp, he left him in. Too bad.
I'm not saying, of course, that Flores would have gotten Berkman out. My point is that, usually, Tony makes the move in that situation. (I would have also liked to have seen a fresh Wainwright come in for a four out save attempt. Kids got to face that type situation sometime, better now with a 7.5 game lead than in the playoffs..)
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 22, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cy Young
Ah, yeah, checked the Hardball Times - he was talking through the eyes of the likely voters (not himself).
I'd say Web has an edge
Always puzzling
I agree, however
Tony's comments
Thats the best you can do at taking responsibility for bone headed decisions tony? you "think" it was a mistake. This guy is a joke. What an insult to cardinals baseball.
by jojo5492 on Sep 22, 2006 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
I actually
Tony has said many times
This is Carp. This isn't Marquis. If Carp pitches to him and loses the game, I can live with that.
I agree
That Carpenter with less than his best stuff was a better option against a man who "has his number" than the LOOGY in the BP is a testament to the utter disaster that is the left-handed side of our bullpen more than evidence of a manegerial lapse.
If we had a decent lefty, it would have been a much easier decision to pull Carp right there and turn Berkman around - he's clearly more dangerous from the left side. I'm not sure it's really an issue of walking Berkman vs. pitching to him - it's a matchup question.
As sdrone said, this is Carpenter out there. If he pitches to Berkman and loses, I can live with that.
I think if you
first off, you all are saying carp was the best option. that's debateable. he was having an off night, no question about it, and chris carpenter on an off night is not the cardinals best pitcher, especially after he's already pitched 7-8 innings.
second, and more importantly, this game was a meaningless game. the cards have 1st place locked up. there's no reason to send a struggling carpenter out after he's already pitched 100 pitches. pitchers get hurt when they're tired.
so basically, la russa's decision was to send out a tired carp, riskign injury, on his off night when there were other options in the bullpen who were clearly as good, if not better. in a meaningless game.
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 22, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
my point is
Wainwright or Hancock might have been better options - I remember AW striking Berkman out with that wicked curve earlier this year - but the option Tony had available, Randy Flores, probably had less of a chance out there than Carpenter.
IIRC
by Just Rope Ball on Sep 22, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
meaningless game
when tony pulls levers and intercedes too forcefully, he gets bashed. last night he stood aside and just let the players play.
it was a defensible decision that didn't work out. it might just as easily have backfired if he'd walked berkman.
sometimes there's no "right" or "wrong" decision, only a close call between two unpalatable options. you pick the one you can live with and let it play out. i think this was one of those times.
losing that game
larussa always seems to leave carpenter in much longer than he would other pitchers. ie. if jeff suppan was on the mound going into the 8th last night instead of carp, I think we would have seen a reliever instead of supps. Im not trying to equate suppan and carp, Im just saying that when carp doesn't have his best stuff, hes not always the best option. though if this were a post season game and larussa left carp in, no complaints.
as for you saying that it was a good test for the pitcher, that logic would be fine for reyes. but carp's an established veteran with post season experience, he doesn't need to be tested at this point.
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 22, 2006 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
NOT a meaningless game!!!
For both of these to happen the Cardinals MUST finish with a better record than the West winner, and Philly must not win the Wild Card. The latter is out of the Cardinals' hands, but the team can certainly influence the former...
Don't know about the rest of you
Dunno; maybe it's just me.
we've had our moments this year...
the teams just isn't as good this year, so the highs are sometimes drowned by the lows.
don't know if the game thread mentioned this..
Yadi immediatley ran out to the mound, tapping his chest ("It was me who called it") and Carp seemed ticked off.
So Carp has to do it all over again, gather himself up, face into the hitter and go into that wind-up to propel the possibly game-saving or game-losing pitch.
Agreed...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering all the holes...
The hitting is irrelevent. Catchers suck at hitting, and if they don't they soon become first baseman. Bengie posted ops of .649, .739, .660, and .596 his first four seasons, only reaching the 780's the last two years. Yadi so far has posted a .684, .654 and a .607.
The kid comes cheap until 2010 with a decent chance of all around improvement. Bengie is the encarnacion of catchers...
mano y mano...
Marquis vs. Reyes in game scores
Reyes 82
Marquis 76
Reyes 73
Marquis 73
Marquis 69
Marquis 67
Reyes 66
Marquis 64
Marquis 64
Reyes 61
Marquis 61
Marquis 60
Marquis 60
Reyes 58
Marquis 58
Reyes 57
Marquis 54
Marquis 53
Marquis 52
Marquis 52
Marquis 51
Marquis 51
Reyes 50
Reyes 49
Reyes 48
Marquis 47
Reyes 43
Reyes 42
Marquis 38
Reyes 37
Marquis 36
Marquis 36
Marquis 32
Marquis 32
Marquis 31
Marquis 31
Reyes 30
Marquis 27
Marquis 27
Reyes 26
Marquis 25
Marquis 24
Marquis 22
Reyes 16
Marquis -7
Marquis -11
I'm surprised to not find Reyes a clear winner there. I guess Marquis has pitched some very good games this year as well. Those two negative numbers stand out a bit, but both were after blowout losses when the pen needed some rest, and there would surely be a quicker hook in the post-season.
you're right
I wonder if
Nah, we'll pull a Cubs
Wainwright
Hell
But, ya... I'm not looking forward to this offseason one bit...
I'm looking forward to it...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Like most everything else in life, though; for us there's nothing more we can do than shrug our shoulders and say "we'll see"
lb,
your stage directions echoes the internal dialogue i carried on with myself this morning.
no matter how we dissect the berkman ab in the 8th, the bottom line is that, in a game in which we were gifted a number of runs and had our ace on the mound with an opportunity to win, it didn't happen.
i second that (or third that)
on pitching to berkman
that's where carp's to blame. For god's sakes, if you do pitch to him, your #1 responsibility is to not leave a pitch there! Walk him if you have to, hit him if you have to, throw it a foot over his head and see if he'll swing. My preference was in the dirt. Of course, Carp didn't mean to throw the pitch there. That's not the point. If he was going to make a mistake, it had to be away from the zone rather than in the middle of the zone. A better mistake would've been to miss yadi completely and throw it to the backstop!
Carp
Idle Chatter - Peralta
Peralta is a 24 year old shortstop (at the start of next season). He had a down year this year, but was better than just about any national league shortstop last year and has the ability to be a "cornerstone" type shortstop.
Baseball reference lists his top comp (for his age) as Ernie Banks and the list includes: Shawon Dunston (#2) and Yogi Berra (#7). If Peralta is trade bait (i.e. like B. Phillips). I would be ecstatic to pull him off the scrap heap. Anyone else intrigued?
-K
Eckstein...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you...
UTIL
they may criticize him but
don't think he's getting moved.
Girardi is almost a Cub..
How bout
Michael Young...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My Problem
Qualification
Michael Young= Big contract
Michael Young
I'll also pass on those home/road splits.
at 6-1 200lbs...
well...
They don't do...
That's not true exactly
Johnson
My bad..
ummm i think young is signed through 07
I'm all for stealing players but I don't know how the commish would take to that.
okay...
You wouldn't think so...
Of course the Braves had a streak to maintain.
Did you know...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
And forgot
To beat a dead horse
- Mulder for Haren, Calero, Barton
- Rolen Trade
- McGwire Trade
- Edmonds Trade
- A.J. Pyrzinski Trade
so...let me ask you...
I think so...
However, it's all about the money nowadays, stuff like that really doesn't matter.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree...
True....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
"Rich history" of a team
keeping Edmonds and Rolen...
they also signed Izzy outright and extended McGwire. hell, i think signing Tino was probably a "bigger" move at the time it was made.
i see your point, but this team simply can't afford to make more than one or two "blockbuster" signings in any given period of time. the fact that we've got Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, Izzy, and Carp all at the same time is the aberration, not the rule. and i'm enjoying it.
Depending on Liriano's health...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 22, 2006 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
*sold* to the yankees...
Anybody know...
He was injured over the summer, the A's sent him AZ once he got better, he played in one game going 1 for 5, then nothing since...
AZL not Arizona Fall league
It at least looks at this point though that he's never going to develop the power to make him a valuable 1B but who knows.
oops...
Yeah...
Not sure why he can't be a right fielder... No arm maybe...
If you thought last night was bad...
Ouch!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Over under for Berkman's total bases is...
Today he will not double in the 8th.
Over.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 22, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Berkman kills the birds
none has mentioned it that I saw, but ESPN did(wow)they didnt go to lidge..I wonder if they will at all this series. If by some straneg turn of events both teams make it to playoffs and play eachother that would be funny, cause at some point hed have to use him when the other arms were tired..maybe they can move marquis and and some polish sausage(since they didnt have that and craute but one stand in TX)too them for lidge
Maruis tonite
by elhombrestlcards05 on Sep 22, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Marquis Scratched
Wild guess: 5IP 4H 2BB 6K 2ER
Awesome...
That 47 pitch monstrosity on 9/13 was a fitting cap to his career in STL.
Wild . What's Narveson got?
Now I HAVE to watch. heheh
Narveson's stuff
hahah. So he's got
Apparently Eck is back too
by dontEATnachos on Sep 22, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
back spams back schmasms
Marquis scratched........
No reason
Give Narvie a shot. He certainly can't be worse that Marquis was his last start.
by dontEATnachos on Sep 22, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
izzy effect...
whether or not TLR would pull Carp to put in AW is anybody's guess, but he clearly doesn't have confidence in Flores, certainly none in Looper against lefties, and has more in AW. so, perhaps, because AW is being held back for the 9th, the team loses it in the 8th. or because AW is being held back for a potential extra-inning lead in Milwaukee, the team blows it while tied in the 9th. discouraging, heading into Oct.




















