Game 127 Open Thread: August 25, 2006

by lboros on Aug 25, 2006 6:10 PM EDT in News Comment 208 comments

suppan mateo
9-7, 5.03 1-1, 3.79

and just in time to cheer up we cheerless st louis fans: a look back at the mulder trade, from a bay area perspective:

"The way Mulder pitched in the second half [of 2004], he was awful down the stretch," [says an anonymous source]. "His delivery was way short in the back and way short in the front. That normally means a bad elbow. He kept denying it and denying it, but they kept sending him out there, and they paid for it.''

''The thing is, his velocity during the 2004 season continued to go down, even in spring training,'' said A's advance scout Joe Sparks, who was hired by the club in 2003 after eight seasons as a Cardinals advance scout. ''We played a game in Surprise (Ariz.) and his velocity was 85-86 (mph). I remember the first time I scouted him in the Instructional League he was 93-95. That's a big drop-off.''

hoo boy.

more lhp news: chris narveson pitched another beauty last night at memphis -- 6 shutout innings, 2 hits, 0 runs. thanks to milb's nifty new player pages, i can tell you that narveson has allowed just 2 runs over his last 22 innings. that stretch has pulled his overall era down to 2.65 in 68 triple-a innings this year. i don't for moment suggest that he should go into the st louis rotation . . . . but i also don't think a person would have to be insane to propose such an idea. this guy has thrown 700 minor-league innings, 370 of them in the high minors (ie, double and triple a). he's almost 25 years old --- not a baby. and he certainly could do no worse than the crippled left-hander who started on tuesday.

like i said, i'm not an advocate; i think reyes is a better (albeit not left-handed) and more logical rotation alternative. but in some organizations -- yes, even contending ones -- narveson would actually be regarded as an option, worthy of serious consideration . . . . .

see this diary for more narveson chat.

last item: i don't know where i read this ---- somebody help me if you saw it --- but in the last day or two i saw an article about how the 1958 chicago white sox stand as the worst second-best team in baseball history. that is, no league has ever had a weaker 2d-best team than the american league of 1958 . . . . until, possibly, this year. the cardinals, at 66-60, still have the nl's 2d-best record, with a winning pct (.524) lower than that of the '58 sox (.532). st louis is currently on pace for 85 wins; the nl's 2d-best team --- whoever it is --- must reach 87 wins to avoid "beating" the '58 white sox.

see? the 2006 cardinals really do have a chance to have a historic season.

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More love from ESPN

From Rob Neyer chat:

Mike (St. Louis): Travis Hafner is the best hitter in baseball every season???? I think Albert Pujols might disagree with you.

Rob Neyer: If Pujols played in a real league he'd be lucky to bat .260 with 20 home runs.

by eeyorethedog on Aug 25, 2006 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he's kidding

right? Right?

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Rob Neyer

Whatever it is, I want a hit...

END OF LINE...

by iron duke75 on Aug 25, 2006 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Aug 25, 2006 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

neyer has to be kidding

He's not stupid. I mean, reasonable people can debate about who the top 3 hitters are, or something like that, but he's trying to say the reigning NL MVP doesn't even qualify as an All-Star. I can't imagine why that could possibly be up for debate.

Then again, maybe Neyer's trying to do Al a left-handed favor....hopefully TLR pulls a Mike Martz and posts that in the locker room....we all know how AP does when he's pissed off.

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, I just lost a lot of respect for Neyer.

If Pujols played in Fenway he'd hit .350/50/140 EVERY YEAR.

What a dumbass.

by matt reeder on Aug 25, 2006 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mabry and Sanders...

John Mabry traded to the Phils for a PTBNL

Reggie Sanders has to undergo season ending surgery.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sweet

I can cheer for Mabry again.

by aet15 on Aug 25, 2006 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I may be wrong...

about Mabry. I read it somewhere earlier today, but yahoo has Mabry listed in the lineup for cubs tonight.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Narveson...

didn't he undergo some sort of surgery? Was it Tommy John?

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it was

shoulder surgery --- at least, that's what blake hawksworth said in my Q+A with him. hawksworth said he used narveson as a sounding board / support group when he (hawksworth) was rehabbing his own shoulder

by lboros on Aug 25, 2006 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Outstanding

That MiLB improved their individual player-pages. Between their goofy javascripts and the bad old player pages, I can't say how much time I've wasted putting together gamelogs for a player.

by liam on Aug 25, 2006 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So, here's my question

What impact has the outcome of the Mulder trade had on Jocketty? Has it made him more conservative & unwilling to offer too much, resulting in 1) not getting Burnett, and 2)the current crop of DFAs we've picked up?

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha

Just noticed that Narveson had the second highest batting average in Memphis' starting lineup last night.

by liam on Aug 25, 2006 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How did we end up with him

Didn't we send Naverson over to the Rockies in the Larry Walker Trade?

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 25, 2006 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hmm

Rule 5?

by aet15 on Aug 25, 2006 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Narvie

Traded to the Red Sox, arm went bad, they released him.

by liam on Aug 25, 2006 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Narveson

I think he was released by the Rox, the Red Sox had him for a while and released him too.

Looking at his peripherals, he's been a little lucky with his high strand rate. Hasn't given up very many hits and is getting a decent rate of K's. like to see him cut down his walks.

i'd certainly take him over mulder right now.

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

liam is right

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

another caution flag

courtesy of these nifty new MILB player pages. narveson's era is more than a run lower in memphis' pitcher-friendly park than it is on the road

by lboros on Aug 25, 2006 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Still

His ERA at Memphis is better than Mulder's ERA at Memphis!

by tdawg on Aug 25, 2006 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cards line up

miles SS
duncan LF
pujols 1B
Rolen 3B
Edmonds CF
Encarnacion RF
Belliard 2B
Bennet C
Suppan P

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 25, 2006 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is that by chance a Major League ready...

...lineup we are using tonight? Must be a mistake. I'd imagine Speizo, Taguchi, Viscaino and Preston to be back in the lineup tomorrow.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haa

Doesn't that line-up look pretty? And has anybody else realized that Bennett has actually had a hot bat lately? A homer in each of the past two series. That's gotta be a record for that guy.

by aet15 on Aug 25, 2006 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who is with me on riding out both games tonight?

Cards/Cubs then Giants/Reds?

This is a pennant race people. I realize we suck, but it doesn't mean we have to give up on our team.

(I wasn't calling anyone out...so, no hate mail please)

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Me!!!

If I can stay awake...

Staying awake all night because your best friend and sister is leaving for college is all well and good until the next day.

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Aug 25, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

I am with you guys.... will be at it all night.. :-D

by stlcardi70 on Aug 25, 2006 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm in

unless I am summoned to a drinking establishment. I'm usually up all night anyway.

I'm ambivalent about the whole pennant race thing....on the one hand it's nice to have meaningful baseball to watch in the 2nd half, which the lack thereof may be what caused the October implosions of the 2004-5 juggernauts....on the other hand it ain't doing my stomach a lick of good, between the ulcers and the higher alcohol intake requirements.

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pennant Races

... are overrated. I preferred having a team that wins 100 games/season.

by Murrel on Aug 25, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Superstition?

Sure, why not?

Superstition for me says the Cards will pull it together.

Okay, call it hoping that the Cards game outcomes run parallel with significant events in my life.

after a week of stressing out about school, things are finally coming together, I tracked down a textbook much easier than I thought I would be able to, and I may actually have time to accomplish everything life is throwing at me this year.

So, since the Cards are 2-0 when I attend their games, I figure that I must have some strange psychological connection to them and if things are coming together for me, they'll come together for them.

Or maybe I just need more sleep?

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Aug 25, 2006 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You're going to the game tonight?

And you haven't left yet?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol, no. Not to the game

My crazy schedule for school is finally settling down after a week of stress and tracking down textbooks and e-mailing people insessantly (sp?) to try and figure things out. I was just hoping the Cards start working out things and winning because my head is finally stopping its mad spinning journey.

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Aug 25, 2006 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll jump onto the superstition bandwagon

My 3 year old son just brought me his little Scott Rolen jersey and held out his arms so I could put it on him.

It has to be a sign...look for a big night from Scotty...

END OF LINE...

by iron duke75 on Aug 25, 2006 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dammit

He just ran by with no shirt on again...

I still think it was a good sign though...

END OF LINE...

by iron duke75 on Aug 25, 2006 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

I decided to deck myself in Cardinal's gear for watching the game tonight. Maybe that'll help too.

by aet15 on Aug 25, 2006 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is it

with little kids always taking their clothes off. My two do that all the time. Weirdos.

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Viva El Weirdos!

n/t

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have my Marshall Faulk jersey on tonight

strange things happen when I wear this jersey....it's the wrong color but the Cards need some heart....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So..

"What the heck's the use of trying?
Why should we curse?
We gotta get better cause we can't get worse!
And to add to it...we've got heart!"

Don't ask. Just because I have that line from Damn Yankees stuck in my head does not mean I generally go around singing it.

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Aug 25, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just cus

you said that, i'm putting mine on too.

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sweet!

I'd put on a Cards jersey but I don't have one....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm at work

so I can't wear jerseys, but I am rocking the red suede Pumas and red argyle socks.

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

red argyle socks

they better be up to your knees....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They are now

:-D

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lineups

chc

pierre cf
bynum 2b
ramirez 3b
jones rf
cards killer (barrett) c
mabry 1b
pagan lf
cedeno ss
matro p

stl

miles ss
dunc lf
AP 1b
rolen 3b
jed cf
enc rf
BELLiard 2b
bennett c
soup p

EDMONDS!.......but i still wish tony would put his very best lineup out sometimes.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2006 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

edmonds had better be healthy

If he strikes out three times and drops a popup because he either can't see straight or is dizzy or woozy or whatever, it is on TLR's shoulders....he needs to be responsible enough to keep the unfit players out of the lineup....

Anyway, re the lineup itself, two things: 1) that's not a bad lineup, and it's pretty much as good as we got right now, with no Eck and no Molina (I don't think we lose too much with Bennett, honestly, since they're fairly comparable offensively). And 2) the most important man in that lineup for the Cards' chances is batting ninth....the offense has been a first place offense, more or less...it's the frigging pitching that needs to step up.

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahh

your right, i forgot about molina. the only change i would like to see is vizcaino (or however the hell you spell his name) playing instead of miles.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2006 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hardcore

Ill keep an eye on both, but im cheating I live in WA state.

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm in it 'til the end.

Seriously. It's been an excruciating season, but there's still a pretty good chance this team makes the playoffs.

In other words, I'm going down with the ship.

by matt reeder on Aug 25, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes!

it's good to see edmonds back in the lineup. even if he doesn't hit, he'll make the plays in center that the others couldn't in his absence.

by jdub176 on Aug 25, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DOY!

err, dunc gets off the hook for that one, his first real bad mistake in a new posistion.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If I cry "overflow"

is that like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?

Also, where do the Cardinals stand in regards to infield popups this season? Maybe it's just me, but they are CONSTANTLY getting jammed.

by ryanisforever on Aug 25, 2006 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Albert seems to be popping up those shoulder high

fastballs alot now. I wonder why?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Because he stinks

Rob Neyer said so.

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In case anyone missed it..

...Eck says he doesn't think 15 days will be enough for his injury. The muscle was pulled completely off the bone and it's just going to have to be as long as it's going to have to be. No way to speed it up or help it along.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

linky linky

here

At least he's being honest....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, both teams are getting a foot

off the plate. Jeff Suppan must be wetting himself with that much black to work with.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fine by me

a pitchers' duel would be a nice change of pace....however big the zone is, hopefully the ump just stays consistent.

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

I thought Mabry was traded.

by aet15 on Aug 25, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sno Cones again...

courtesy of Bennett.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wasn't it mateo

that was tipping his fastballs last week?

not last night, that one i know...

Rabid Redbird

by gthedamned on Aug 25, 2006 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i mean night before last

all of these sorry games are blending together...

Rabid Redbird

by gthedamned on Aug 25, 2006 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Juan Mateo

has to be the only person other than Kevin Mench who has a bigger head than me...or maybe his is just fat

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why did he swing at first pitch

???

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Already 4 LOB

And we're not into the 3rd inning. Grr

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm tellin' ya

one of these days, Dan and Al are just going to snap and kill each other in the booth. Could those guys hate each other more

by ryanisforever on Aug 25, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The sooner the better

because I hate listening to both of them.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

way to pitch around the leadoff BB

2 sacs and a GO.

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lil Dunc,

Forcing Tony to play him. Attaboy.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

leadoff 2B for Dunc

okay Albert, do it....do it for Rob Neyer....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha

If Albert were in a real league, he wouldn't have even been able to move the runner over on that at bat.

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was Whitey ball

from the 3 Big Boys. Impressed with Duncan scoring there because I never thought in a million years he would go.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

beautiful

they don't seem to have been playing much small ball lately....seems like they've only been scoring via XBHs....or am I mistaken?

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Juan's going to launch one

I'm calling it....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fuckity

it was worth a try, I spose....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

al

if al herbosky managed a major league team, how many games would that team win?

by truemun12 on Aug 25, 2006 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice

dp turned by rolen and belliup. miles never would've got out #2

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Now this is a classic idiotic statement

Hrabrosky just said that, "Most times when you challenge the other team at the Major League level, they will make a mistake because they are just not fundamentally sound." Well, how the hell did they get to be Major Leaguers, you idiot?
He was referring of course to Duncan scoring on Jacque Jones attempt at the plate.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well

i'm stuck with Brenley and whoever the other Chicago guy is. I got the radio on.

There is a reason why he's called the "mad" hungarian...

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Whitey in the dugout tonight?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn, hit and run and another SNO CONE

I think Bennett likes giving out these hell's kitchen sno cones. I'll have a rainbow flavored one myself.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

if I had a sno-cone stand

I'd think Gary Bennett merits his own honorary flavor

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

did Soup bunt too hard or something?

what happened?

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Straight sac

not a squeeze play.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 25, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh.

gotta score w/oppurtunities like that. :(

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Up to 7 LOB now

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perfect Whitey ball

if Miles gets it anywhere else. I swear, I want to at least see if Vizcaino can play.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Miles is 7 for his last 18...

..I believe. He's earned his right to play.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dunc

oy, that's just terrible defense. he better keep hitting.....

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm listening on the radio...

...but it can't be any worse than Taguchi has been.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I got you Hardcore

but you really do need to factor in quality of those hits and when they come and what they give you. He's not fast enough to get away with the typical slap hitter style and he doesn't have the power to do mach else.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

don't look now

but Soup's given up 2 hits thru 5.....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

From what I gather ..

....those two should have been caught by Duncan?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be correct.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn I wish I was watching this on TV

did Edmonds just blow a hit-and-run?

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No... Rolen was running

on a 3 and 2 count. Edmonds thought he held up and walked but the 3rd base ump rang him up. There was no throw to 2nd.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes Encarnastyon

comes through. I'd like to see him try to steal 2nd now.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2-out RBI for Enc

good stuff....keep it going Belly, let's get to the bullpen....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

shit

looks broken, welcome miles at 2nd and vizcaino at ss.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 25, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mateo is an idiot...

...he has no control and with his velocity, he's going to kill someone some day.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can we please

drill Cedeno in return? I know it's pointless and stupid, but so is high school.

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 25, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"What's the score?"

"Nothing-nothing"

"Who's winning?"

"The Bears"

by Solanus on Aug 25, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

9 runners LOB so far

I hope Suppan continues to cook in Supp's Grill tonight. That's the name of his restaurant out here in So Cal so us left coast folks like to say he's cooking in Supp's Grill tonight when he is throwing good.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good to see a ground ball to Belliard

No problem.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The only thing Duncan is missing tonight

is a volkswagon full of midget in clown makeup.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What was wrong with that last dive?

Obviously other than missing the ball? He made a good effort on trying to catch it...I don't fault him for that. Juan might want to see what that looks like and take notes.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He made a nice attempt

I'll give you that but I was commenting more on the fact that he has a target on his chest out there tonight. The tough plays seem to be coming at him. I love the kid and I want him to be in there everyday regardless so don't take my comment wrong. Sometimes when it rains it pours.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he should have cut it off

the problem with the dive is that he probably shouldnt have done it. just get in front of it and let them have the single. if you dive and miss its a double. i like the effort but that doesnt make it the smartest decision.

by dmb60614 on Aug 25, 2006 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't see the game

Are you saying Duncan should have had 3 errors tonight?

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 of the 3 were legitimately tough plays

The first one should have been an error. He just misplayed it so poorly that he didn't come close to touching it...ergo double.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

edmonds

duncan didnt it read it right, but the interesting thing was that edmonds had him move in for bynum's at bat. he probably would have been fine had he stayed in his original spot.

by dmb60614 on Aug 25, 2006 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No...

...he's just misplayed 2 balls and missed on dive for the third.

The first one was a ball he broke in on, then started to go back for but couldn't get his feet out of the sand to actually get back for the ball.

The second one, he took the wrong shoulder to turn towards and the ball one hopped over the wall.

The last one was a sinking liner that just missed his glove as he dove forward for it. I don't know that it was a poor decision because the pace that was on that ball, the worst it was going to be was a double.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really

the mistakes he made arent called errors. he misplayed three balls. the first one he started off in and then was not able to go back quick enough. the second one went over his head and he was kind of twisted around the wrong way. i was only half watching on that one. they said it was hit kind of hard. not sure if it would have gotten over his head had he played it right. the third one i thought it was an ill advised dive but thats just my opinion. they were mistakes/misplays but they arent usually called errors.

by dmb60614 on Aug 25, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, thanks

I guess he's just not having an easy night.

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not easy to say the least....

...It's like the guy at practice who drops the first one hit his way, and then the coach just keeps hitting them harder and harder until you just have to either catch it or say 'Uncle'.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

has he been that bad?

like recent Taguchi bad, or Jose Canseco bad?

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im hoping they

get more runs...like 5 so they dont have to go to izzy like 3 or so

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well now is the time

2 on, nobody out. Heart of the order coming up. We've GOT to make this a big inning. I'm sick of stranding all these runners.

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bah

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Before you say anything Hardcore

I bow to you in reference to Miles. He is hitting the baseball so I'll shut up.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds...

isn't making a strong case for that optuion to be picked up.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

or that he's healthy

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why?

by atotheron on Aug 25, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

dammit

that's a lot of fuckin baserunners that haven't scored tonight....ten hits, two walks, one HBP, and only two runs?

On the plus side they're seeing lots of pitches early in the series....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

you know this has got to come back and haunt them. you just can't do this.

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Soup

6 innings - 68 pitches

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Soup

7 innings - 77 pitches

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But obviously JEd is NOT hitting

How many is that he has LOB with his Ks tonight?... At least 5. I'm starting to get that uncomfortable feeling

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh God, Taguchi in left...

...if you thought Duncan was an adventure....

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i used to love gooch

but when he both hits and fields for crap, I really can't defend putting him in the game. Even if Duncan fields for crap tonight, he can still hit for more than decent.

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I too was a big So

fan before this year. He's really taken a nose dive as of late.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

amen

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

next time So is up to bat in clutch

can soup bat for him...? Hey hes a vet right?

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what should

be 4 errors and a billion runs stranded. suppan deserves a medal if he wins this game.

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

gold star

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Before those of you on Gameday blast Miles...

..Rolen acted like he was going to get it, then left Miles hanging out to dry.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thx for the info

I've been trying to be positive about Miles....he isn't half bad, for a fill-in....

I take it that was just Rolen's Wrigley syndrome....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Soup pitches around it again anyway

he's been Houdini tonight....not overpowering but just good enough. If he could just do this more consistently we'd be in better shape as a team....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I'll back you on that Hardcore

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just got back

Had to work. Looks like Bennett is doing a fine job as catcher.

Go Cards!

Dang So...

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by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The most impressive thing tonight

has been Supp pitching around fielding mistakes. NOW GET HIM SOME RUNS!!!!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Belliard's hand is obviously fine

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dammit, more Sno Cones Bennett!!

They are running out of shaved ice in hell.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was just thinking

Satan probably needs to refill the ice shaving machine about now.

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

UN-B-lievable

get a run across!!!!! can't do this again!!!

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PS

CIN @ SF is getting underway....it's Harang v. Matty Mo. Ol' Abner has his hands full tonight....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bennett!!

How does he keep doing this?!? Way to go! Score some runs!!

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Batters 7, 8, 9 and 1

are 9 for 21.

Runners 2 through 6?
3 for 17.

Which ones do you think get paid more? Which ones do you think could possibly have thought WEREN'T the target of managements statements?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DAMMIT!!!!!

14 runners LOB!!!!! Does anyone else smell a fluke hit and a HR coming for the Cubs?!!!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Soup allows a run

gets out of the inning with the lead. Izzy comes in, walks the first batter he sees, gives up a homer on a cutter and the crowd throws trash on the field, rabid fans jump out on the field and kidnap izzy.

he's next found somewhere in south dakota trying to hitch a ride in his undees...

there's my pessimistic prediction.

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOB

I just checked, the NL record is 18, and the Cards have done it 3 times! Do you reckon they are going for it?!

The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time. - Catfish Hunter

by klcard on Aug 25, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What happened to Belliards hand?

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hit By Pitch

Looked bad but obviously wasn't.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bennett out to talk to Soup...

...."You know Jeff, the rest of these puds aren't going to hit the ball. It's you, me, and the middle infielders. I guess we gotta bear down and win this one on our own."

"Ain't that right T-Bone?"
Belliard: "Fo Shizzle!"

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That is frigging hilarious!!!! Spit food out.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank God Joe Buck has joined them in the booth

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That way there is a witness?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Second round of corn out my nose.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

would anyone believe

Cincy is up 1-0 on a Griffey HR going to the bottom of the 1st? Off Morris?

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Griffey homered

1-0 Reds, fyi

aka "the Rev"

by erik on Aug 25, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Positions 1-2-6-4

are the heart of this team right now. Who would have ever thunk it?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone want to argue about

Belliard's fielding abilities anymore? That was kickass!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This Belliard guy

is growing on me more and more.

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Soup gets out of this with a pitchcount of 95-

does he get to come back out in the 9th?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind...

..it ain't happening.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa, Joe Buck is semi-dissing Izzy

as far as what should happen in the 9th.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

say what?

What exactly is he saying?

Redbirds Fun
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by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bonds is batting

with 1 out and runners on 1st and 2nd

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

tied up

I hate to root for Bonds, but oh well....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sooo......

...that strike zone, did it get cold?

Significant shrinkage.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Soup

Looks like he's starting to lose it. Runners on first and second.

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by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Squeezed

Soup was getting ridiculously squeezed. Time for Flores, good bye lead.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

a round of applause for Soup is in order

he certainly did his job, when we badly needed it

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sounds like

he got a nice round from those in attendance

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hot Damn great pitch Flores!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Flores...

proves me wrong. He has looked better his past couple outings.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Jacque Jones were on the Cardinals...

...he wouldn't know what a LHP looked like.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lovely

Flores used to be the pitcher that I feared most on the squad but he seems to have gotten his act together recently....now hopefully TLR doesn't leave him in for the 9th....

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it sounds completely ridiculous and maybe it is

I want to do some fact-checking on it but Flores' up & down-ness has seemed to coincide with his brother's respective absence/presence in the majors. Maybe it wears on him mentally? Maybe he just periodically sucks? Maybe the Flores family is only allotted a certain amount of success that has to be shared between the two of them? Who knows.

I bet Jered's presence weighed on Jeff Weaver, but his job security was in jeopardy with his lil' bro. The main point is Flores isn't scaring the peewater out of me at the present.

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who thinks we need some runs

considering what awaits us in the bottom of the 9th?

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

so

start learning to hit better

Redbirds Fun
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by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What's that??? Izzy's warming up?

NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Isn't it strange that Pujols cannot hit the Cubs?

He is 0 for 4 tonight and they said he was hitting .214 against them this year before this game started.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rolen reaches on an E for the 2nd time tonight

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy

Needs to scoot up closer to the plate, every pitch thrown to him is away.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

10 million?

Yea right. I love Jimmy, but he isn't worth that much.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has missed a huge chunk of the season...

...and until 2 games ago was second on this team in homeruns.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2006 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds with 4 Ks

hmmm

by nota bene on Aug 25, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Golden Sombrero

Sombrero for Edmonds.... ouch.....

by stlcardi70 on Aug 25, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy is still groggy

That is 3 strikeouts with 6 runners LOB. That won't help down the stretch.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who has the stomach to watch Izzy?

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 25, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

say your prayers

burn your candels and all that stuff its izzy time

by punchinjudy on Aug 25, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

190 comments

by Elle on Aug 25, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, after Izzy blows the save,

At least we have the bottom of the line-up coming up in the 9th. They've been the ones that have produced anyway.

by calico30 on Aug 25, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm scared

Izzy is in

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by cardsfan84 on Aug 25, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

please

anything but the cutter

by atotheron on Aug 25, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

CATCH OF THE YEAR

OH M Y HODGODddd

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Description???

by sdesserman on Aug 25, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

a pop fly foul

long run for rolen and miles, miles runs into rolen, the ball pops up in the air going away from rolen and he barehands catches it. it was hilarious and great at the same time.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 25, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs