Game 77 Open Thread: June 28, 2006

carpenter westbrook
6-4, 2.97 6-4, 4.36
if the cardinals happened to have a scout at the metrodome game today to evaluate los angeles lhp odalis perez --- and i'm not suggesting that they should have --- there wasn't much to see: odalis gave up a grand slam in the 1st and exited in the 5th with his team in a 6-0 hole. . . . . nor would any scout have liked what he saw of another los angeles pitcher who's on the block, jeff weaver --- the rockies mashed him last night . . . .
other transactions that aren't happening: the tigers called larry walker to see if he might be interested in playing a little left and doing a little dh'ing down the stretch, maybe take one last shot at a ring. he passed . . . .
here's one that i missed from a few days ago: peter gammons thinks the braves may deal andruw jones. you don't suppose . . . . . ? jones' contract has one more year to run, at $13.5m. he's hitting .282 this year with 18 hr/65 bi, and an OPS of .867. he's 29 years old. . . . . i really hesitate to bring this up, because you and i both know it prob'y ain't happening. but it makes for a more pleasant discussion topic than the manifold woes of the team, dunnn't it? i'll leave it to all of you to figure out how we pry andruw loose without giving up either reyes or wainwright. the payroll relief alone might be worth something to atlanta . . . . .
speaking of gammons, here's an update on his recovery from brain surgery. he's doing as well as can be expected. if you follow this link, you'll find another link at the destination page, which you can click to leave a get-well message for pete and family.
colby rasmus cracked the top 10 list on baseball america's latest prospect hot sheet, released two days ago. also appearing there, in the honorable-mention section --- ex-missouri state righthander (and current marlin farmhand) brett sinkbeil. . . . .
the albert pujols club is open for bizness (hat tip deadspin) . . . .
if the cardinals fail to win tonight and friday against the royals, it will be the la russa regime's first month with fewer than 10 wins. the last time st louis won fewer than 10 in a month was july 1994, when they went 8-20.
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I'm first!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 28, 2006 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
What would lead you to believe this?
Place your bets!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullish on the Cards
Odalis Perez sounds just like our type of guy....
This update from the Albert Pujols mancrush club (consisting of me)
He is 8-20 with 1 HR and 2 RBIS. As much as we blame the pitching staff for this losing streak, Albert has come up in plenty of situations during this stretch with a chance to give us a win or tie it in late innings and hasn't come through. Other than his meaningless homerun against Chicago, he seemingly has had a power drain, returning to that 'Singles hitter' he likes to classify himself as.
That's not good, especially since we already have a really, really good high paid singles hitter in Scott Rolen.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Pujols
by dayimetmusial on Jun 28, 2006 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't...
by Quietude on Jun 28, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Rolen, High Paid Doubles Hitter
Additionally, Rolen is on pace for 19 HR and 51 doubles. The 51 doubles would be a career high and would have led all of baseball last season (D-Lee and Miggy Tejada each had 50 two baggers). The 24 doubles he already has is tied for 4th in Major League Baseball (Michael Young leads the way with 27).
I'm not saying he is chopped meat...
What I am implying is that he has his equal share in the teams losing streak.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
now just a second
man, you're even tougher on them than i am . . . . . hardcore, i thought you were more forgiving than that??
by the way, i have
It's the ARod factor....
For his career, APu is a monster in crucial situations. However, a few during this stretch that are off the top of my head:
first game back against Jenks in a 1-0 game, doesn't get it done
Against Cleveland, runners at 1st and 2nd, two outs...grounds out to 3B.
Against Cleveland, runner at first in a 3-1 game, flys out to center.
Against Detroit in a game that ended 4-1, bases loaded, doesn't get an RBI.
Obviously, Albert Pujols is the greatest in the game right now, I wouldn't begin to question that. It's just that he has to shoulder some of the blame right now too in this losing streak. Say it's just setting the bar too high for our best player, which it probably is. However, he's come to the plate in key situations that had an impact on the outcome of the game and wasn't able to get it done.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The 0-4 ChiSox game...
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't assigning any blame to Rolen...
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Patience with Pujols
I predict a win. We WILL pull out of this funk on the backs of Carp, Pujols, and Rolen.
Maybe the Braves will take the Gooch, J-Rod, JEnc, Timo, Spivey, and Tankersly for Jones. I'd give up that part of the farm for him! I don't think he'd be a great clubhouse fit, though.
by dspeer on Jun 28, 2006 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
jones
but i'm not suggesting for even pulling for a trade, the price would be too steep. you can always dream though...
by stlsportsfan on Jun 29, 2006 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
WE WILL WIN
By the way, what do you folks think of this Ken Rosenthal blurb? "Right-handed sinkerballer"...Could the Cards resist? He sort of puts out this notion that Westbrook may be on the block (which makes absolutely no sense to me) and then retracts it:
"The Indians likely will trade only players under one-year contracts if they become sellers, but contenders that play in hitter-friendly parks -- the Rangers, Reds, Phillies, etc. -- would perk up if right-handed sinker-baller Jake Westbrook became available. Westbrook, 28, has recovered from a rocky first two months to post a 2.27 ERA in his last five starts. The Indians probably wouldn't trade Westbrook, though -- they hold a $5.6 million option on him for 2007."
Andruw Jones
Then, move Edmonds to right to give his legs and back a break, put Enc in left. That would make the lineup something like
SS eck
2b luna
1b pujols
cf jones
3b rolen
cf edmonds
lf enc
c molina
this would basically require the cards to take on Jones's entire contract, so it would almost certainly preclude any pitching help, but I'm not convinced that the staff as is isn't built for the postseason provided that you have a lineup as good as the one above. Certainly, as is, you can ride the patchwork through to a NL central title. Then, you have Carp and Reyes up front. Ponson can be moved to the pen (his stuff probably translates best to bullpen work, I think). Then, take the best two of Suppan, Mulder and Marquis down the stretch. The first two will give you a chance to win, and the second two will keep you in the game, and you only use the fourth starter once in a 7 game series, anyway.
If two of them haven't stabilized by then, then start conditioning Wainwright to be a starter sometime in early to mid August and plug him in as the 3rd or 4th starter, and let Ponson take over his role in the 'pen.
That team has at good a shot at the series as any, methinks. Really, we are a couple of band-aids or one impact signing away, even with this putrid interleague disaster.
i think
by brock on Jun 28, 2006 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know
Really, I think some other contender (DET, for example) could easily put together a better package.
look who's batting 2d
CLE
sizemore cf
belliard 2b
peralta ss
martinez c
broussard 1b
holl'sworth lf
boone 3b
gutierrez rf
westbrook p
STL
eck'n ss
edmonds cf
pujols 1b
rolen 3b
en'cion rf
rodriguez lf
molina c
miles 2b
carpenter p
looks like a win for the cardinals to me . . .
As down as I feel right now....
Go Cards!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
im stuck at work tonight....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Warning track...
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
No probelm...
Making me nervous.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly...
It's not a left right thing (Miles: .245 .310 .305 .614 vs. Right, Luna .288 .329 .425 .754), it's not a who's hot thing (Miles .232 .280 .319 .599 Luna .297 .342 .378 .720 in June). It's not a what-did-you-do-yesterday thing, or a what-did-you-do-the-last-two-games thing-----I don't get it. He's better than Miles in every way. More range, faster, better hitter, stronger arm, more power, better OBP...everything.
Not blow scoring opportunities....
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
balderdash...
plus, TLR defended him in the post-game, saying that Luna didn't see the ball off the bat. it happens to everyone at some point or other, and it shouldn't cost him time.
Tony also said Mulder was healthy, didn't he....
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I might take Tony's defense
I think Tony will rally 'round the flag for the media and the public, but privately, I'm sure he was displeased. He looked it last night. That was simply a boneheaded play.
That said, I hope Luna sees more time as well, but mental lapses like that and Juan's loping on the single turned double drive me crazy.
by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 28, 2006 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hey...
but if he's benching an obviously superior player for that reason, then he's an idiot.
i think there's some other reason. a match-up, perhaps. something. that one play shouldn't erase 3 months of good play.
It hasn't been 3 months of good play...
I don't think it's a long term thing, but if he benched him tonight for that, I have no problem with it. He screwed up in a 2-0 game, and luckily he was bailed out.
When you've lost 7 games straight (at that point), not scoring when given opportunities will land you in Kangaroo Court.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
and of course Luna is scary in the outfield... he's a damn infielder! plenty of the guys we've tossed in the OF haven't been real good. but many of them are playing out of position.
there is no advantage to having Miles in the line-up. His defense is no better, and Luna has power potential, is the only real SB threat on the team (other than Gooch, i guess), and has played well enough these three months to deserve it.
Maybe it is a preference of Eckstein's...
I don't really know. I'm not defending Miles at all. I assume there is a reason though. As far as today, I think Kangaroo Court makes perfect sense.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Have I mentioned
It's nice to feel confident of a victory when you see someone's name in the lineup. Pujols is phenomenal, but the pitcher controls the action.
Here we go again...
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
Amusing telecast
Barely masking his disdain...
wow is carp struggling with his command??
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Singles..singles....singles....
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Good call
For the love of Pete
Trying to be greedy...
Wow
I can't believe I'm writing this, but...nice hustle!
It was a WP
by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 28, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And now it's 1-0
Excuse me...
Couldn't tell for sure
by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 28, 2006 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo hoo...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
SINGLE!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 28, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, I'm not picky
yeah but...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
From your lips
by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 28, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of those
I like the tailing movement, Mr. Carpenter.
Nice 8 pitch inning
SCOTTY RO BABY!
wow 8 pitch at bat for Juan...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
What happened??
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
So....
I've already first-guessed it, if it happens...
Dod Rodriguez look a little odd
Or am I just being paranoid?
nah
by stlsportsfan on Jun 29, 2006 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
looks like thats it for carp
quite a chorus of
all the game day sites have stopped....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Or stunned silence and paralysis
Speaking of
have we ever figured out who la russa was talking about when he said "someone I previously thought was unavailable" last month? That would be a heck of a july 31 comeback.
tlr's comment
I wonder if Timo and Nefi are brothers....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Shocker...
by Dick Pound on Jun 28, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Braden the laden maiden....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
That'd be too
by Dick Pound on Jun 28, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Huh?
Because....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
see....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Eduardo Perez to PH...
Fine.
Except for the guy they'll probably turn to now.
I'm glad
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
Damn I wish...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Nice...
Are they
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
Here we go Izzy....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
I have to think that
well lovely
Last 9 game losing streak:
Jesus.
H.
Christ.
well...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
In defense of the pitching moves,
Oh yeah, also: crap. poop on a stick.
by isaac on Jun 28, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
Now we need....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
Somebody tell Albert
If there were ever a time we needed El Hombre....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
I'm Going
by 317 cards fan on Jun 28, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Can't ask for much more than he did
If I was the stadium DJ
by Pujols for MVP on Jun 28, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
Is it over yet???
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe Carmona...
hey maybe...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
SUCKIEST BUNCH OF SUCKS WHO EVER SUCKED!
don't worry
to ground into a double play.
well at least...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Good thing
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
If....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
OR..
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
or crawl to second,
Wouldn't you be too?
Hrabosky said earlier that nobody's more frustrated than the players. I disagree. Nobody's more frustrated than the fans that paid to see this garbage.
I guarantee you nobody left the stadium madder than I did when Eric Milton shut the Cards out earlier this month...because I didn't pay for a section 148 ticket to see that.
You know what sucks....
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Let's see...
Our pitchers can't pitch when our offense is performing.
And our bullpen can't pitch. Period.
We're a triple threat!
Wickman vs Ponson vs Sabathia
Sabathia
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
woo hoo..
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
WTF!!!!!!
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
So!
I have a bad feeling we're about to see a botched hit-and-run turn into a caught stealing.
by isaac on Jun 28, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
I bet...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
Thank Goodness
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
What a slugger
Haha
by ryanisforever on Jun 28, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
theres no way...
Please God Let the answer be a resounding YES!!!!!
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
you know ...
way to go shrimps!
by isaac on Jun 28, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
if he walked the bases loaded...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
LUCK!
by ryanisforever on Jun 28, 2006 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SEAT CUSHIONS!!!!!!
error or no error, i don't care!!!!!!!
wahoooo!!!!!!!!
anyone see the replay at the end of the game
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Holy crap...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Wow don't do that AL
is it a lucky promotion
What a horrible win
God must have turned off the plague machine.
by ryanisforever on Jun 28, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Whew!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 28, 2006 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
TLR's managing...
and they handed us the game.
TLR is a m-f genius.
Now we have
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jun 28, 2006 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Is it wrong
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 28, 2006 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
NOPE
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Jun 28, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't wipe this smile off my face
by ryanisforever on Jun 28, 2006 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions




















