World Series Game 2 Postgame thread

Nice.

1. Don't know about the substance on Rodgers hand, but regardless, the Cards must be more patient at the plate. Few were taking the balls Rodgers threw and ever worse, few were content to take him the other way (Yadi being the one consistent exception).
2. Juan should not hit in the 5 spot in game 3. Keep Rolen, Pujols, and Edmonds together in the lineup. Really didn't make sense.
3. While the Cards did have a great opertunity in the 9th, I really think those middle innings, 5th and the 6th, turned the game soundly in the Tigers favor. In the 5th Edmonds led off with a walk and then Wilson and Yadi both stung balls the other way, if they fall in for hits, the inning might have really changed. In the 6th, Spezio leds off with a walk and Albert nails a liner to Monroe. Another good opertunity down the drain sadly, because if Albert gets the ball up or it carries a bit farther, then you are talking about a 3-2 game. The Cards had opertunities in the 1st, 5th and 6th and none turned into runs, some because of good pitching by Rodgers, some by poor hitting by the Cards, and some by a screw batting order (Juan in the 5 spot).

Caught so red handed yet he's getting off.

Whatever the case, we lost. Still there's hope. This means we have the potential to hurt him in game 6. Tony will have his hands checked and I bet the pressure will be on him to perform now that he has greater scrutiny.

did that make him unhittable? i don't think so. Cards hit the ball well at times, but DET made the plays.

what makes me mad is that if TLR brought it up while Rogers was on the mound, he's done for the game AND series. DET woulda been in a major bind. Instead, TLR goes between innings and rogers trots to the clubhouse and washes it off.

biggest mistake of the offseason by TLR so far and i am having a very difficult time understanding it. since when has TLR been tentative to have a ball checked? if this were the cubs, he woulda been out there...he afraid to offend his best buddy Jimmy Leyland???

crap.

I wouldn't favor the latter, but the former seems pretty fair. Even better would have been to actually follow the rules and toss Rogers after the 1st. Would have been nice to have the Detroit bullpen go 8 innings....

Pretty funny.

That is what I don't get, cause I am assuming the player has to be caught redhanded, not in a picture after the fact. This is what I don't get.

Its funny I been teaching my jr highers(from our church) on Morals and being selective...With the Miami fiasco and their laughable punsihments and FIU's swift punishments, and now this I have had plenty to use...Unfortanetly the message to kids is get a big name or attend a big school and your ok, but if that would have been Weaver out there or Thompson???

Somewhere George brett is charging someone again

That's from wikipedia - I went there to refresh my memory about the George Brett pine tar game, and some diligent soul had already updated the page for this game.

So I don't have any idea if this is true, but if it is, what the fucking fuck? It makes me think the wikipedia entry is bullshit (not suprisingly), because if it were true that would be such an egregious violation of the letter and spirit of the rules.

Aargh. This is infuriating. The fact is, he had a foreign substance on his hand. Should have been tossed. The fact that he's done this for several games and gotten away with it is just that much more infuriating and pathetic.

Another example, we all played pickup B-Ball games aginst friends and siblings. Didnt you want to beat those people more than those players you played aginst in organized ball? And if you faced friends or siblings in oranized ball, didnt you want to beat their brains in MORE for braging rights? Tony is the same way, even more. He wants to win this more than anything. ANYTHING.

I have to give him the benifit of the doubt on this one. He had to not know in the middle of the inning that kenny was cheating. That or the inning was over to quickly for him to do anything about it. Because if he DID let it go because Leyland is his friend, then it would mean Tony has lost his killer instict. And its time for him to retire and the Cardinals to look for a new mananger. And I just don't think Tony has lost anything yet.

Reporter: What was it on your hand in the first inning? How did you take it off? And, why?

Rogers: It was a big clump of dirt. And, I went and wiped it off after the first. I didn't know that it was there until afterwards. And, then they told me, and I took it off. No big deal.

Reporter: Did somebody complain?

Rogers: No. I just saw it. No. I saw it. I didn't it was there until after the inning. And, then I went and took it off. And, it was good.

Reporter: So the umpire didn't mention it all to you?

Rogers: No

Reporter: Kenny, you say you had a clump of dirt on your hand. How can you have a clump of dirt on your hand?

Rogers: Well, it's dirt and rosin and all that stuff. Whatever is put together. So, when it's moist out there, you're going to rub up the baseballs, and it left on my hand when I rubbed them up.

Even Steve I am an idiot phillips said well it looks like he had the same piece of dirt in all his starts

No sense in wasting some good lambasting on a technicality.

But what everyone here is saying is they can't possible believe that what was on his hand was dirt because it left a stain. Everyone is mad on how the situation was handled but we'll get over it by this time tomorrow. I hope you keep coming back here to tell us the perspective of the tigers during the rest of this great series.

Thats propably going to be verbatim the statement released by MLB tomorrow afternoon. SO as much has it pains me to say it, we all need to move on. Nothing will be done to punish Kenny Rogers or the Tigers. Fact is, he cheated, got cought by FOX, and got away with it with nary a slap on the hand. It sucks big time. And I am really really pissed. But there is nothing any of us can do about it. If there is one thing my dad taught me is that life is NOT FAIR. If it was, all the bad guys would be busted and punished. But thats not how it works. Sometimes, good dosen't always prevail. The nice guy doesn't get the girl. And cheeters DO prosper. As much has I hate this, I expect something weird to happen. For 3 decades now life in the postseason has been less than fair for our beloved Cardinals. And this is just the latest chapter. It happes. Deal with it. And MOVE ON. And thats what we all need to do. Move on. The sooner the better.

So go out and rout your hearts out for Carp to throw a perfect game on tuesday night, and albert, rolen, and scotty to go batshit crazy and hit 4 homers each. The odds are better for that to happen, than for anything to be done to kenny or Detroit. So lets to go out and cheer are Cards to a WS VICTORY. After all, thats really all any of us can do anyway.