The FIP & the Pendulum: Jaime Garcia
Jaime Garcia burst onto the scene in 2010 with an excellent rookie season that saw him finish third in the National League Rookie of the Year voting. Garcia posted a 2.77 ERA (which was good for a 69 ERA-) with two-to-one strikeout-to-walk ratio. In his first season post-Tommy John surgery, the Cardinals wisely shut the southpaw down once the club had fallen out of contention during the home stretch of September. This decision limited Garcia to 163.1 IP for the season. Impressively, Garcia accrued 3.1 fWAR over those innings. Despite a BABIP that was very close to the MLB average for a starting pitcher in 2010, there was good reason to believe that his ERA would rise in 2011.
Below is a table showing stats for MLB starters as a whole in 2010, Jaime Garcia in 2010, and the difference between Garcia's numbers and the MLB average for starters. The stats shown are Earned Run Average (ERA), Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP), the difference between ERA and FIP (ERA-FIP), Expected Fielding Independent PItching (xFIP), the difference between ERA and xFIP (ERA-xFIP), Home Run per Fly Ball Rate (HR/FB), percentage of runners left on base (LOB%), and Batting Average on Balls in Play (BABIP).
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2010 |
ERA |
FIP |
ERA-FIP |
xFIP |
ERA-xFIP |
HR/FB |
LOB% |
BABIP |
|
MLB |
4.15 |
4.13 |
+0.02 |
4.10 |
+0.05 |
9.60% |
71.5% |
.293 |
|
GARCIA |
2.70 |
3.41 |
-0.71 |
3.62 |
-0.92 |
7.30% |
75.0% |
.292 |
|
DIFF. |
-1.45 |
-0.72 |
-0.73 |
-0.48 |
-0.97 |
-2.30% |
+4.5% |
-.001 |
Even though the theory behind DIPS--that a pitcher cannot control batted balls--has been eroded somewhat by the work of Mike Fast and others, FIP and xFIP still have a higher correlation to the next season's ERA for a pitcher than ERA. When one compares Garcia's 2010 ERA to his fielding independent pitching statistics, the precariousness of his ERA becomes clear. His ERA-FIP difference of -0.73 was the tenth largest ERA-FIP gap where a starter's ERA was lower than his FIP. Due to the small amount of innings Garcia has pitched in his career, his HR/FB rate being relatively low compared to the league average was another red flag. xFIP calculates a pitcher's FIP with a league-average home run rate and Garcia's 3.62; or, 0.92 points higher than his ERA.
Below is a table showing stats for MLB starters as a whole in 2011, Garcia in 2011, and the difference between Garcia's numbers and the MLB average for starters. It consists of the same stats as the table shown above for 2010.
2011 ERA FIP ERA-FIP xFIP ERA-xFIP HR/FB LOB% BABIP MLB 4.06 4.00 +0.06 3.96 +0.10 10.0% 71.6% .293 GARCIA 3.56 3.23 +0.33 3.31 +0.25 8.9% 66.8% .318 DIFF. -0.50 -0.77 +0.27 -0.65 +0.15 -1.1% -4.8% +.015
After a rookie season ERA- of 69, Garcia's ERA of 3.56 in 2011 equaled an ERA - of only 96, which is just a hair better than the MLB average. While his ERA rose considerably, his FIP was still exceptional as compared to his peers. In 2010, Garcia posted a FIP- of 88; in 2011, Garcia's FIP- was 86. This ranked him nineteenth in MLB behind teammates Chris Carpenter, who ranked seventeenth with a FIP- of 82.
In fact, Garcia's 2011 line is quite similar to that of Carpenter. Carpenter posted a K/9 of 7.24 to 7.21 for Garcia. Carpenter's 2.09 BB/9 was slightly lower than Garcia's 2.31 BB/9 (which the lefty lowered from 3.59 in 2010). Garcia's 53.6 GB% was seven points higher than Carpenter's 46.6% GB rate. While Garcia's 3.23 FIP was a bit higher than Carpenter's 3.06 FIP. The difference in their numbers is twofold: home run suppression and innings pitched. Carpenter's skill for suppressing homers accounts for him having a lower FIP than Garcia; both pitchers posted a 3.23 xFIP. Carpenter's 234.1 IP to Garcia's 194.2 IP make up the remaining difference between Carpenter's 5.0 and Garcia's 3.6 fWAR.
Garcia benefited from good luck in 2010 that caused expectations for his development in 2011 to be unfairly high. In his second big-league season, the pendulum of luck swung the opposite way and cost Garcia in the ERA column. Given Garcia's lowered FIP last season, there is good reason for Cardinals fans to be optimistic about the young southpaw's third season.
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The two tables are the same
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2012 7:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The RSS feed still has an older version with the right table:

by brackenthebox on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
For some reason, publishing this post was problematic for me yesterday. First, I inadvertantly published it when I thought I had it merely scheduled to post for early this morning. Then I published it with identical graphs. I changed the graphs.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
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The era - fip differential in the second table
Should be ,.033, I believe.
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by RiverRat on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
-.033
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by RiverRat on Feb 6, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's ERA-FIP.
His ERA is 0.33 higher than his FIP so it’s a +0.33 difference.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sorry, I hadn't had a cup of coffee yet.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
You can see above that I did far worse while attempting to publish this post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm feeling positive about Jaime too, but
I am a little concerned about the possible impact of his innings increase last year. He might be a bit vulnerable to the dreaded (and debated) Verducci Effect…
Garcia has always struck me as a show pony.
He’s pretty to look at and a damn fine pitcher, but I get this feeling he’ll always be high maintenance.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 8:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He wants you to buy him things?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was the one that whined and threw a fit last season
Jaime: I don’t want Theriot! I want a real shortstop.
MO: But look, he can make most of the routine plays and he looks like a real baseball player.
Jaime: NO! NO! NO!
MO: How about a nice new starter and a LOOGY and… oooooh Corey Patterson? He’s played on a lot of teams so you know he’s good.
Jaime: NO! I WANT A SHORTSTOP!!!!
MO: Ok, ok, ok. How about Furcal?
Jaime: (sniff) OK. (sniff)
MO: There. there.
Jaime: Can I have a second baseman too?
MO: Maybe next season
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Feb 6, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
Well done, sir
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What does it mean for a pitcher to be "high maintenance?"
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming he's talking about the perception
that he’s got a shaky psyche, like needing to pitch in a friendly environment (such as not pitching well on the road), needing everything setup just right for him, rather than being able to shut out and overcome adversity.
I have no idea if that’s true about Garcia, but there’s a perception at least that it is.
Thank you.
And yes, Garcia looks at least to me as fretful on the mound.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 9:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I was going to include a section on this in the post.
This argument is not at all supported by the numbers. Garcia strikes out more opposing batters on the road and walks fewer. His FIP on the road is 3.36 to 3.10 at home. The MLB average home FIP for starters is 3.82 and the average away FIP is 4.07. That’s a home/away difference of 0.25, which is higher than Garcia’s home/away FIP split of 0.23 in 2011.
His home/away xFIP on the road is 3.29 and it’s 3.34 at home. The league average home xFIP is 3.86 while the average MLB starter away xFIP is 4.03. That’s an average road xFIP that is 0.17 higher than the average home xFIP while Garcia’s road xFIP is lower than his home xFIP.
Garcia’s road BABIP is .369 while his home BABIP is .265. While his LD% is 3.6% higher on the road, that doesn’t account for a BABIP gap as high as Garcia’s. There is no reason not to expect his numbers to even out and his home/road splits to be closer to the MLB average for starting pitchers.
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by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, isn't Garcia's FIP split .26, not .23?
The difference is probably still meaningless, and the xFIP split is almost certainly meaningless. Though, if you look at it proportionally his split is somewhat larger than the average split. But that’s probably splitting hairs.
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Well, I don't like xFIP not only because not giving up homers is a skill
But the bulk of FIP is k:BB and HRs so if you “normalize” the HRs then you essentially have a glorified K:BB. For home/road splits though, it makes some sense because a home park may be pitcher or hitter friendly, and Busch is very pitcher friendly.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The ability to keep the other team from hitting homers is a skill.
I just don’t think we can really tell how skilled a pitcher is at preventing homers in a season or two. So, for Garcia, I think xFIP can be more insightful than xFIP for, say, Carpenter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So its a skill when you get someone to hit the ball 430 ft past the ferris wheel
instead of getting them to hit it 320 ft to the Crawford boxes?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Is giving up homeruns a skill too?!
I mean no one in baseball can grove a ball down the middle of the plate like Bronson Arroyo of the Reds. It takes real talent to be able to center the plate like he does. If Arroyo is in their starting rotation this year, we win the division easy. I wonder if Matt Holliday goes in the Homerun hitting contest at the All-star game, if he could request that Bronson pitches to him? Works for me!
There are pitchers who consistently give up fewer homers than average.
This suggests a skill at preventing them. As for the lack of skill associated with giving up more homers than average, it also exists.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ok, that makes a little more sense, I thought it normalized HR to league average
I guess then I’d really like it if it had LD% factored in, so since not all FBs are created equal I’m still a little leery on it
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I mis-subtracted.
The point of it all was that Garcia’s FIP splits aren’t that far out of line for the average MLB starter home/road FIP splits.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Right, the point is still valid
I was mostly just using the opportunity to make a “splitting” pun.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Perfectly understandable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If he's high maintenance
like Jim Palmer, that would be OK with me.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 6, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
As JWO, I also wonder about the effect of his innings increase
Without the post-season, his innings increased from 163 in 2010 to 194 in 2011, essentially the 30 innings increase Verducci says is OK. The post-season added another 25 innings. Hopefully, the fact these occurred in the post-season (and thus over a longer period of time) will keep the dreaded Verducci effect from occurring. Even so, this is a great entry, bgh. It emphasizes to me what an above-average pitcher Jaime is. In both 2010 and 2011, his fip and xfip are both well below the MLB average.
Verducci confuses me.
He wrote his annual red flag list in January. Is a 30-IP increase okay or not? Verducci includes a few pitchers who threw between 31 and 32 additional innings from 2010 to 2011 on his watch list. Is there a real, tangible difference between 29 IP and 31 or 34? I don’t think there is. I think that’s just Verducci’s arbitrarily selected cutoff.
I’ve been meaning to dig intot his for some time now. With the young pitchers the Cardinals have coming up, I wanted to see if Verducci’s system has a firm basis in data or if it is just an arbitrary system. I’ve read next to nothing on it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I suspect that at least some of it
Depends on the type of pitcher someone is. A flamethrower might be more or less affected by extra innings than someone who relies on “Uncle Snappy”, his 12 / 6 curveball or some other combination of pitches.
What particularly worries me is that Verducci (I think) puts some emphasis on whether innings were pressure-filled or fairly low-key. One would think that playoff innings, especially World Series games, would be nerve wracking. I guess time and games will tell. There’s not much more the Cards can do except send Jaime out there and see how he holds up. Just another possible argument for an extra quality starter tucked away somewhere…
I've always been curious about the "high pressure" part of the general argument
What, exactly, is supposed to make those innings contribute to injury more? Do pitcher throw harder during those innings? Do the extra “nerves” during those innings lead to less consistent mechanics? Does the extra adrenaline lead the pitchers to push their physical limits more than normal? Or some combination?
And furthermore, has any of the above actually shown up in the data? Do the higher pressure innings actually correlate with more injury?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I don't mean to attack JWO, I am just asking in general
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
No worries, dude
Like I suggested, I have no idea whether the whole “pressure theory” has much validity. Somehow, I think it must have some tangible effect though. I know I feel a lot more drained after a day of work where the pressure was on constantly, as opposed to breezing through comfortable tasks.
Yeah, I would imagine there is something to it
It’s just that I"ve seen it mentioned a lot without much explanation of what is going on “under the hood” so to speak.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I don't think high pressure situations necessarily are worse for a pitcher
But the more pitches thrown while a pitcher is laboring (regardless of the situation) probably are. I wouldn’t be surprised if some teams track that.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Ahh, didn't think of that
I.E., “high pressure” innings could correlate with more pitches thrown per inning? Making those innings “heavier” in their effect?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I may be using a different usage of "high pressure" than you guys
Like Game 5 of the NLDS was about as high pressure as it gets, but Carp was breezing, so I doubt those pitches were any worse for his arm than a normal start.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Yeah, this is part of my confusion
Logically I would think one would have to draw a distinction between physical “pressure” on the pitcher’s body and “box score pressure” or “baseball situational pressure” or whatever we want to call it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Wouldn't the pressure also depend on how the pitcher reacts and handles pressure?
Some thrive in it (Carpenter). Others crumble (Ankiel).
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I guess so, yeah
But thinking about that makes me even more confused about how we relate that to likelihood of injury. Theoretically, I mean. I’m certainly not gonna do any of this, that just sounds like a lot of work.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Dunc and TLR sure seemed to.
They alluded to it more than once, ie. Sure Carp threw 120 pitches, but they were an “easy” 120.
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I've yet to see any definitive proof that the Verducci Effect is a real thing
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Let's do an experiment
I threw no innings last year. I’ll throw 35 this year. I’ll let you know if I am injured afterward
by Cheeseballs on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And let me know how injured, plz
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Good call.
I also threw no innings last year. If the Cardinals pay me league minimum, I’ll throw 25 innings and report back as well.
I'll go pitch 25 innings in Springfield if they'd pay me for it
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to argue against it though...
in terms of arm strengthening and conditioning.
I agree that the causality hasn’t been fully defined, but I think it’s a pretty good “rule of thumb”-type guideline.
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Nolan Ryan isn't a fan of counting pitched innings
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Neither am I
But that doesn’t mean either of us are right. Not to mention, Nolan Ryan was a fucking freak of nature, so he probably shouldn’t be comparing everyone to himself. Very few pitchers have arms that could tolerate the kind of abuse that he put on his arm over the years.
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I tend to discount Nolan Ryan's opinions on pitcher injuries since he's a mutant.
(I’m only half-joking.)
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sir, i find your "mutant" humor decidedly unamusing.

i spent many years working with nolan to make him the man he is.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Also. . .
Ryan’s arm was not “abused” until he was much older. From an IP perspective, at least when compared to his peers, Ryan was relatively babied, and some have theorized that helped his arm become the veritable rubber band that it was.
Of course, the counterpoint to that argument is that Ryan may have still been throwing as many pitches in less innings, since he basically walked everyone in the ballpark: opposing batters, hot dog vendors, bat boys, etc.
The bigger point is that Ryan’s career is such an outlier in so many ways that it is probably not very instructive. Also, he beat the crap out of Robin Ventura when Ventura charged the mound, which is completely irrelevant, but very cool in the grand scheme of things.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
And he did it at age 44
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I'm not a fan of violence but that was damned funny, old guy kicking young guys, who charged the mound, ass
on live tv
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
somebody (Ventura) needs some Vivarin!
Dammit! Anyway, this article has a couple of nice action shots.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i knew it was ventura, but main point was i think it humorous that an old man took a young stud to task in such a matter of fact way
when ventura charged the mound on an older man and was handily dispatched
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I figured everyone knew it was Ventura, I just threw the disclaimer in there for the hell of it
the point I was trying to make is that Nolan Ryan used to pitch VIvarin
/thats the joke
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 7, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yes but something always kills me about using innings pitched for analysis
Pitch counts are kept now (Thanks TLR!) why don’t we use pitches thrown. If a guy throws 100 pitches 5 games straight but only gets through 5 each game, and another guy throws 95 pitches each game for 5 straight but throws 7 innings each, would the guy throwing 35 innings really be straining his arm more than the one throwing 25? I get that there are warm ups but wouldnt that be counteracted from the stress of guys in and the more arm centric motion of pitching from the stretch?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BtB had a frontpaged fanpost link to something
Debunking the Verducci effect a few days ago.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the overall theme is correct....
but I think the emphasis on innings pitched is wrong. Does that make sense?
There’s no account for side sessions and simulated games thrown, nothing to account for long toss or off day throwing, leg conditioning, etc.
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Read this after replying to you above
I think we agree on this, which makes me feel a little smarter
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's fine as a generilization
but there are many factors that go into pitcher injury and its kind of silly to place much predictive value in the effect.
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By the way, if any of you HAPPEN to ever want to read a performance analysis book
Check out Dean Oliver’s Basketball on Paper. The way he thinks about basketball is incredible, and he writes very casually too, which makes for funny moments
At one point he was talking about Jordan’s effect on the Wizards, and wrote something like “And oddly, hmmmmmm, they shot more free throws and allowed fewer when he was on the court”
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Yeah, that's a GREAT book.
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x100
All else being equal, sabremetrics in basketball is just as fascinating as in baseball IMHO. I care far less about the former sport, so all else is not equal for me, but Oliver and Ken Pomeroy are the Bill Jameses of basketball.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Does he talk about sitting players with foul trouble?
I am a college basketball fan but have never followed any statistical analysis of it like I do baseball. The one thing that drives me nuts is sitting players who get into foul trouble early. My point is that you are sitting a good player (one that would be on the floor without foul trouble) because they may or may not be removed from the game for committing too many fouls in the future. Thus, they are not maximizing their time on the floor because the coach wants to save them for later in the game. To me, it does not matter WHEN this presumably positive effect this player is going to have on the game as a point early is the same as a point late.
Am I missing something as to why this is a strategy that almost every basketball coach uses?
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I'm only like 75 pages in, so I haven't read that part if it's in it
They talk about it in Scorecasting though
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thanks
Scorecasting worth the read?
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Yeah, absolutely. I'm kind of reading 4 books at once right now, so I'm also only like 100 pages into that one, but I enjoy it so far
There’s less that I can apply to my craft than is in “Basketball on Paper” but it’s still interesting
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Presumably. . .
all else being equal, a player that is in “foul trouble”, however one defines that concept, would be less aggressive on both offense and defense, and therefore a lesser player.
It stands to reason that said player might be less aggressive if he has three fouls with 5 minutes to go in the first half, than he would be with three fouls with 5 minutes to go in the second half, and therefore he would be a better player in the latter scenario than in the first.
This post is rife with all sorts of assumptions, of course, but generally I think that is the theory behind it.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I understand this point as well
but as a coach I would direct the player to play the same as they normally would regardless. To me, this is more of a mental thing that needs to be overcome. Whether or not you can take the notion of this player being less aggressive under these circumstances remains a question. You are right, there are a lot of assumptions. At what level of “agressiveness” should this player play under under this circumstance? Is this player playing under these circumstances “better” than the player who would be replacing them?
My main point is that the goal is to maximize the amount of time this player should be on the floor regardless of when it happens. Much like wasting timeouts in a football game. It drove some people nuts that Martz would use them any time but at the end of a half. Martz was using them when he thought he had to because he had no idea what situation he would be in at the end of the half and I always thought that logic made sense. I guess in baseball it is the idea of using your best reliever when needed instead of waiting until he is needed at the end of the game. These all are pretty much the same general principle to me.
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The article I mention below
I believe refuted that perception that the player in foul trouble would play less aggressively
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Saw something interesting from ESPN about this
Essentially the author (don’t remember who it was) argued that just because a player commits two fouls in the first 10 minutes or whatever it doesn’t guarantee that in the next 15 minutes he will commit 3 more and get fouled out. Rather, that it was just a different distribution of the total fouls he would commit in the game, which, as long as it they remain under 5 (6 in the NBA), don’t really matter. I’m always in favor of leaving the player on the court.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is difficult to assess
because it’s completely dependent on who the player is and what role he plays on the team as to how the situation is handled by the coaching staff. If you’re starting PF gets 2 quick fouls in the first 4 minutes of the game, but generally doesn’t finish games for you because of his terrible free throw shooting, then it’s not nearly as important that he sit to avoid further foul trouble.
If he’s Dwight Howard, however, what you’d probably do is play more zone defense and look to utilize him less on offense to avoid putting him in a foul situation or you’d just take him out for 10 minutes and pray you don’t get too far behind.
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Superbowl Halftime Show: Good or bad?
I thought it was pretty awesome, given my incredibly low expectations
WHY WAS WILL FERRELL BOUNCING ON AN ELASTIC STRING
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Twitter
The appearance of desperation while Madonna was shuffling with LMFAO
will haunt my dreams until I am her age and I will then do whatever the kids are doing in a blatant attempt for attention.
#givelancechants
Haha yeah, that I agree with
And why was MIA there? Isn’t she, like, the opposite of the “safe” artists that the Superbowl Committee picks?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
As if Madonna is a "safe" artist.
We’re talking about someone who published an entire book of nude pictures of herself entitled “Sex” and has been in more than one NC-17 rated movie.
Not to mention: Does she really appeal to the audience that watches the Super Bowl? Or does she appeal more to the 40 year old mom’s in the spare bedroom watching Hallmark and Lifetime?
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by fourstick on Feb 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think they're trying to appeal to the audience that watches the Superbowl
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I think they're trying to appeal to the largest share of that audience possible,
which is why you have acts with very high record sales and tour revenues.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Heh, reminds me of this.
The Continental posted this the other day.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
peter frampton?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2013 Super Bowl Halftime Show
Adele, The Band Perry, and Skrillex.
Should be interesting.
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I've only heard of one of those bands.
I think they might be more likely in, say, 2023. They must prove to the commissioner that they aren’t flashes in the pan.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
are you serious?
or is that the fringe talent that wanders onto the stage periodically?
Because, that group has absolutely zero mass appeal on a global stage.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
You're right
Adele has only sold the most albums in the world the last two years.
Good call though.
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Also,
If the fucking Black Eyed Peas can headline the Super Bowl, you’re telling me Adele and Skrillex can’t? That’s ridiculous. It really is.
You should probably also get out more. Or at least check the Billboard top 40 occasionally.
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yes, zero mass appeal.
no one likes adele, with 3 number one singles off 21.
no one likes the band perry, whose only album has sold over 3/4 of a million, and has a triple platinum single.
no one likes skrillex, he of millions and millions of youtube views, sells out shows in huge venues, and was labelled the best edm artist in the world.*
zero appeal.
*by mtv. also, his argument is the weakest because he doesn’t release music traditionally.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Thank you
I’m not saying I want to see this show, just saying that based on the trends above, this could very well be the lineup. And it beats the hell out of Justin Bieber and Miley effing Cyrus.
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fine.
should be fantastic.
And for the record. I do like Adele very much as well as the Band Perry. Have to admit. I have no idea who skrillix is, and I’m not that interested to find out.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I've never heard of two of these bands and have never heard an adele song, just hear it's name a lot. mostly on VEB.
My halftime show involves making pizza!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Mine involved sushi.
Actually, most of the Super Bowl was put on the backburner for it. Mmmmmmmmm….. Fried California rolls
/drools
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
i'm gonna go with my standard music argument here
Just because its; a)popular, b)sells a lot of records, doesn’t mean its good…but then again I’m pretty sure theyre not looking for “good”
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ah its a profit deal!
damn at first i thought your comment was, “oh, crap”
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me
that the appeal with Skillrex ages pretty quickly. I can’t imagine anyone over 25 listening to them. And most of the concert going public is under 25, which I wouldn’t think is the case for the Superbowl.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
brostep.
i like skream in terms of proper dubstep. you need good speakers or good headphones to hear the sub-bass.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
this is the only thing close to dubstep I listen to
but the guy has been around since the early 90s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLO-i0JOGMw&feature=related
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I cannot even begin to describe how much I do not want to get into a discussion of the various dubstep sub-genres
...
I Can’t Take It Take It Take No More
Never Felt Like Felt Like This Before
C’mon Get Me Get Me On The Floor
DJ What You What You Waitin’ For…
WOAH OH OH OH OH OH WOAH OH OH OH…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm anticipating the Skrillex
cut up of “Rolling in the Deep” to be the greatest thing ever on live television.
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"hey, jerry, who's the MIA woman?"
“Oh, she likes to rap about dealing drugs and publicly supports the Tamil Tigers, an infamous Sri Lankan rebel force who originated the use of certain terror tactics like suicide vests.”
“Is she going to show anybody her boobies?”
" . . . No, probably not."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
apparently
she flipped the bird in the middle of the performance because she didn’t get enough attention growing up.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
...so, you know that she grew up in the middle of the Sri Lankan civil war, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
am I supposed to care?
she acts like an idiot in public. Then again, it’s more the fault of whoever idea it was to include her in the show, but it still shows she has no common sense.
Btw, there are plenty of people who grew up in horrible situations who can act like a grown up. We don’t need to make excuses for her.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
by Tackle Box on Feb 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Welp, I obviously should not have engaged in this conversation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You're reacting like this over her middle finger gesture?
My mind is blown.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why?
I’m not saying a middle finger is the worst thing in the world. But someone who does it to the camera while performing the halftime show at the Super Bowl that is broadcast to billions of people around the globe is doing for a reason.
And that reason is because she has no other way to get people to notice her.
Look. She’s 36 years old and is a college graduate. She probably shouldn’t have been on the show in the first place but she, due to some stroke of luck, got asked to perform.
So, she concocts a brilliant scheme to get attention!!! “I’m going to flip off the camera!!!!! That’ll show how ’em!!!”
Whatever. Go away. You’ll be forgotten tomorrow.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
But it's tomorrow.
And you sure haven’t forgotten.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 4 recs
No, tomorrow is tomorrow.
check the time stamp.
I didn’t even know who she was until today. Tomorrow, she will be forgotten.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
you're operating under the assumption no one knew who she was.
maybe you didn’t know who she was, and maybe you’ll forget about her, but MANY people already knew who she was and not many people are likely to forget a performance that has for some inane reason been the focus of a lot of media outrage.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Agreed
Lot of personal bias going on here.
Also, how close are we to having the Boston Pops performing Michael Chiklis songs at halftime? I’d say getting closer every year, lol.
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what the hell are you on about?
MIA had a huge following before last night. she’s had a lot of chart-topping singles. one of her songs (paper planes) took the world by storm—although everyone misinterpreted its meaning. she’s not a nobody that chanced into an invite.
She’s 36 years old and is a college graduateoh fuck, guys, she’s old and smart. somehow those are negative character traits so she shouldn’t have been on the super bowl!
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
did I say her age and education should keep her off the super bowl?
No.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
i don't know how else to parse this paragraph:
Look. She’s 36 years old and is a college graduate. She probably shouldn’t have been on the show in the first place but she, due to some stroke of luck, got asked to perform.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
just because those two sentences were back to back
doesn’t mean anything.
by saying she’s 36 and college educated, I’m saying I kind of hoped she’d know how to act in public. Granted that’s not easy to assume either. Plus, many people who are young and/or lacking of formal education have common sense.
Nevertheless, her background (which I admit I was not aware of before today) is not an excuse.
She acted like a child on tv. I’m not sure who gained respect for her or found her fascinating for what she did, but if that’s what someone is impressed by, then what they have to say doesn’t mean much to me either.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
i just don't understand how making that gesture is considered childish.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
perhaps i'm confusing childish and child-like?
it doesn’t seem to me that telling someone to go fuck themselves is very childish. perhaps i have my definitions twisted up.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
if someone has a point to get across
and they want people to actually pay attention to the point….
acting like a 14 year old boy who is convinced his parents are ruining their life isn’t going to make people take you serious.
The rest of the grownups are rolling their eyes at her. You can flip off a camera. Big whoop.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i might add..
I don’t really care that she flipped everyone off. I imange she does it at all of her shows, and it’s kinda a reflex. I mean, how many times does a tv mic pick up the word “fuck” during a sporting event?
As my wife pointed out, they should Beckham standing around in skin tight underwear during the commercials. (and in some areas, dead babies apparently…)
Who cares about a middle finger?
Grit != flat out sucking.
So, um, bucking Western social norms is kind of her thing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the mistake was booking her for the show
/didn’t watch the halftime show
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this
especially a mistake for the powers that be, who obviously have been trying to avoid “controversial” acts, to book Madonna and MIA…nothing silly is gonna happen there!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
this is a really asinine way to buck western social norms though
I don’t know, I find her combination of really frivolous music and a really intense desire to be taken seriously kind of silly, and throwing up the middle finger on network TV like a 14-year-old boy who got courtside lakers seats confirmed my impressions.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I think it's ironic because
flipping the bird and cursing on TV makes me think she’s completely unserious and not worth paying attention to.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
so if someone says shit
on tv, they’re not worth paying attention to.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
does this also apply to someone
who says shit in real life?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think you're missing the point quite badly
I don’t care that someone says the word “shit” on TV. People say “shit” on TV all the time (and in “real” life, though I’m not sure how that’s relevant).
I’m saying that purposely saying “shit” during the Super Bowl halftime (and flipping the bird) while performing in it, for the obvious purpose of drawing attention to oneself, is juvenile and makes me think she’s an unserious person and artist.
I don’t think it’s a “big deal” at all (i didn’t give it a second thought during the broadcast).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i didn't watch 1/2 time for 1/2 minute
waste of f’n time
and i’m for the feed africa with the money crowd
TLR is gone, long live the king
This
(FWIW, I didn’t even notice it during the broadcast.)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
my apologies.
as for purposefully cursing, it is in the song she was performing, i believe?
can you please—and i am genuinely curious about this so i am trying to cut back on the snark—explain why the use of language and obscene gestures is, dependent on venue, juvenile?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
...
Let’s assume then that she was just singing the lyrics, as written in the song — are you saying she said shit on accident? I’m pretty sure it was intentional and the bird flipping was not in the song either. If she said shit on accident, I’d reconsider my view since my view assumes that she said “shit” on purpose.
As for flipping the bird and saying a “bad” word on TV – I don’t think it’s offensive (which seems to be central assumption of many of you posts here), I think it’s sort of pathetic.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not arguing she said it on accident.
i’m just saying her purpose in saying it could have just been to perform the song as it is written. that doesn’t really drive at the heart of your argument, but i was just positing a different scenario. it’s not like she just said shit because she felt like saying shit and said shit in a completely absurd context JUST for the sake of attention grabbing.
flipping the bird is pathetic as a form of expression why? it’s not effective speech, i agree. it doesn’t really change anything, so if it was her intent to speak truth to power or something, it was pointless (if it was for publicity she succeeded, that’s for sure).
taken for what it means (fuck you) i think the gesture just illumines her opinion of western culture and i’m not sure, under this interpretation, you can say it’s pathetic.
if you assume saying “fuck you” served no purpose whatsoever and functioned purely as attention seeking, i completely agree with you.
so, all in all, i guess this is pretty much dependent on an individual’s pre-existing view of mia.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I would give her more
credit for her actions if she were only doing it for crass commercialism and attention whoring.
If she actually meant her actions to comment on western culture, speak truth to power, etc., etc., I would consider her to be even more pathetic.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
you didn't answer my question.
i get the sense i’m overstaying this topic’s welcome, so feel free to tell me you’re done with the issue and i will stop pressing you!
flipping the bird is pathetic as a form of expression why?
is it because it is not effective? is it because the emotion behind the gesture—assuming it was a genuine expression—is a pathetic one? is it because its use is coloured by the fact a lot of pathetic people use it for stupid reasons?
i’d like to hear your reasoning behind your opinion, if you have the time discussing what i’m sure has become inane. =)
p.s. i do genuinely apologise if i’m coming off as an ass. i promise i am curious and i’m not trying to sound rude.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
In sum,
if the expression were “genuine” (though one might ask, “genuine” for what purpose?), then it is juvenile, meaningless (who or what is the intended target? for what?), unoriginal, and ineffective.
Also, are you British?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
i think i understand where you're
coming from. basically it’s for all the theoretical reasons i gave.
as to the question: no, i’m not. the reasoning behind my spelling is practical (i went to a british school for a time in high school) and aesthetic (i like the way it looks).
i don’t use british spellings professionally, and am aware some people think it chintzy.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I have the same issue
Born on the Bayou, Spent a year in school in south western PA, spent four years in school in England, and four years in the southwest before moving to the mid west. My dialect and spelling are all over the place.
Grit != flat out sucking.
haha, oh man.
yeah, i’ve lived a lot of places as well and it can get confusing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
One follow up. . .
If you are protesting censorship or free speech or the generally perceived overly genteel nature of society, flipping the bird might be a relevant and appropriate protest.
If you’re protesting commercialism, or the Sri Lankan Civil War (which, according to Wikipedia has been over for two or three years) or the price of gas or the designated hitter rule or whatever, flipping the bird is completely irrelevant and opens you up to very fair criticisms that you’re just an attention-mongering poseur.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
does the same criticism
apply if you say “fuck you” to entities which in your view promote commercialism, inflate the price of gas, or advocate for a stupid baseball rule?
what i mean: is it the gesture itself that is irrelevant, or is the emotion behind it—assuming that such emotion is actually being expressed—also irrelevant?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
pretty much. . .
I mean, I can hear that on the subway. Or from a bunch of seventh graders trying to one up each other for which one can be the coolest and counter-cultural.
It’s a lame cop out of a “protest”. Seriously, do we even know what, if anything, she was protesting? Other than the generic “western culture” that we’d all like to protest for some reason or another from time to time? Without context, flippi9ng the bird on national television is just being a gasbag, frankly.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
then wouldn't flipping off Madonna have been more appropriate?
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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danup put the kibosh on
more discussion of this, i assume.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i have no idea why so many people,
whom i otherwise consider intelligent rational people, are making such a big deal of this.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I was expecting more discussion of Madonna's weird Botox face
or whatever that was. It freaked me out the entire time.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm don't think I'm making a big deal out of it
I just think it confirmed my impression of her as an overrated Pitchfork creation with an undeserved reputation as a serious human being.
yeah, so i don't know why you'd claim that.
swearing and obscene gestures are now derided as being unserious expression? then why do you care? if it’s not serious, then it doesn’t matter, and it shouldn’t affect in any way your opinion of the person.
if it does in fact serve as confirmation of your personal beliefs about her character, then it is important, and is serious, in which case you cannot dismiss it as juvenile.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
let me rephrase, I guess
I think it’s an unserious act that does nothing to change my opinion of her as an unserious actor. I’m not excited by the prospect of it feeding the opposite impression.
and it has nothing to do with the swearing in itself
so much as the idea that swearing on a live TV event is vital and dangerous or daring or risky expression for a person in her position, I guess.
(one more)
performing with madonna on a million-dollar stage at a fantastically mainstream sporting event and not doing something ostensibly controversial strikes me as much more potentially dangerous for her public image. the middle finger seems to me to be a manufactured act of rebellion, the kind of thing I would have told her to consider if I were her press agent.
A simple publicity stunt
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think you hit the nail on the head here
“If I don’t do something controversial, all the kids will stop talking about me on teh twitterz and teh facebook, oh noes!”
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
flipping off a camera in 2012
being considered edgy is pretty humorous.
I mean, it was scandalous when the kid in our 7th grade class pictures did it, but I just assumed we were over this by now.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I could see a few hangers-on back in the day being offended by it when Kurt Cobain flipped the bird in Nirvana photos
These days it just doesn’t have much controversy-weight anymore.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think we're all forgetting
the middle fingers that toppled the tsarist regime in Russia, led to the liberation of India, and tore down the Berlin wall. The status quo shivers at the sheer power of the middle finger. It is a verifiable fact that all revolutions begin with a well-timed middle finger. Pshhhh….MIA blew your conformist, button-down lifestyle out of the water, and you didn’t even realize it. How sad.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Wow, is that really today?
Awesome
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Nope
I just like that phrase because it’s one of those over-used slogans that kids on the internet like to bring out when they feel like like being superior to “the conformists” for a while.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
the last time anybody over the age of 14 cared about a middle finger:

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i think i pretty much agree with this?
i don’t see the expression as deserving of praise, but the derision it’s received baffles me.
i DO think public, counter-cultural expression of particular ideas or grievances, if someone is afforded a large stage, has its place. the way in which she chose to act—if the previous statement was really her rationale—didn’t have much of an effect.
and really, i would have thought flipping someone off has been taxed of all its offense by now. i don’t understand the outrage.
the point you make about manufacturing rebellion is a good one, though, and it could very much be the case.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Our society is so mediocre. . .
that even those claiming to be edgy socially aware cool kids protest in lame half-hearted ways.
Just don’t show up, if you want to protest, and when you get sued for whatever portion of the apperance fee that you were pre-paid, say that you gave it to Sri Lankan orphans or something.
Flipping off the camera is just a lame protest.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
the only thing she deserves attention for
is “Paper Planes,” which was an awesome song, but then again mostly just because it ripped off The Clash.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
she just sampled a song, right?
that’s how hip-hop works…
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i mean, i guess
the songs are very similar thematically.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
As a rebel, shouldn't she be bucking
that trend too? In all seriousness though, despite the connotation, I’m not bashing her for “stealing.” I’m simply saying that song’s awesomeness owes as much (if not more) to The Clash as it does to MIA.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I don't mean to be rude
but you’re one of those people. People are objecting to her behaviour, and you seem to be objecting to their objections.
youneverknow
Alternately, people have different opinions on a complex issue and are discussing them
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah, i am playing right into the
“making a big deal” by continuing to discuss it, i guess, so you’re definitely correct in your critique.
i am just trying to tease out why some people believe what they do (though the post you replied to was not a very articulate attempt).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Because gender.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Because when Kanye West does something controversal
it doesn’t get any attention.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
I just don't think gender makes a ton of difference in this situation.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
well, as your riposte
was crushing in both its reasoning and its scope, i guess i am unable to argue the point further.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Because "because gender" and "that's definitely part of it"
carried the day on its thorough persuasiveness?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, skin color too then.
But there are different expectations on female behavior. Does anyone think that if Green Day, for example, played the halftime & Armstrong flipped the bird that people would be bugging?
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think there are a lot of different things going on
the green day guy is political, but he’s a more conventionally american kind of political. I wouldn’t want to just reduce it to gender, but I’m sure it has some degree of relevance.
But not one mainstream article I have read has mentioned
MIA’s political views or why she might have flipped the bird. The story just seems to be that she did it, the network and NFL had to apologize. I would think that if Green Day did this, the story would be the same. The NFL, the Network and their advertisers want the Super Bowl to be family friendly and thus don’t like people flipping the bird. I don’t see the male/female angle or the skin color angle anywhere.
I haven't seen any of the mainstream coverage
or any of the coverage at all, to be honest, so I’ll have to take your word for it.
It's just weird how the NFL keeps having to apologize for the behavior of women of color that they hire.
Mommy duties call. Wish I had more time.
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Not an indictment of anything you've said, but
in my experience, men younger than a certain age rarely want to see how gender plays a role in bias. We’ve all been conditioned to say we’re equals.
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I believe that you don't see it as an indictment
but this is something I have to deal with because of the way I look and talk and the opinions I hold in my everyday life as a grad student in an english department who has problems with postmodern literary criticism, and I do both resent it and take issue with the characterization.
anyway, we’ve gone much farther than we should have down the politics rabbit hole, and I apologize for perpetuating it.
I resent that people think gender has little to do with how people treat each other.
I personally don’t think you show gender bias in your words. Just offering my take based on my experiences. I was quite clear I wasn’t referring to you.
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
understood
it’s just that as a male younger than a certain age in an english department I get this when it is referring to me quite a lot.
Gender bias isn't fun.
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What is fun is Simpsons quotes that this conversation reminds me of!
Marge: Homer, did you eat my whole pan of brownies?
Homer: Marge, I’m feeling a lot of shame right now.
Marge: I’m hearing that you feel a lot of shame.
Homer: And I feel that you hear my shame.
Marge: I’m feeling annoyance and frustration, but also tolerance.
Homer: I feel validated by that.
Marge: Good! I’m glad we had this talk.
Homer: Me too. [walks off whistling]
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I find that the society here at VEB to be quite more than tolerable.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
just shout out in the middle of seminar that
you find virginia woolf really boring and watch the excitement!
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I love reading Pride and Prejudice
Have probably read all of it a half dozen times, and bits and pieces too many times to recall. I’ve also watched the ‘95, 300-minute version with Ehle and Firth at least 8 times. Have read S+S and Persuasion once each, never plan to read them again. May someday read Emma and Mansfield Park, but just don’t feel the need. Has anyone here read P+P+Zombies? My friend says it’s funny, not sure I could stand it.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
i sort of enjoyed the half of P+P+Zombies i read, but then i gave up on it
and i very, very rarely give up on books, so i can only assume that’s a bad sign. i don’t really know how i make decisions about things like that though, i don’t really do it consciously. i just put the book down and never pick it up again
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I read Mansfield Park and sorta enjoyed it
Anyway, that miniseries is quite good.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I do.
I assume most peoples problem with the whole thing was that it was an inappropriate gesture to a huge audience and the fact that it was a women doing it was not a big factor. But that’s just my opinion.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
It seems to me the suggestion was that she should know better than to pull a stupid stunt
That forced the network to half to apologize.
I think the stunt was anything but "stupid"
She knew what she was doing
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Twitter
I think she's working for Mugatu.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
by hittmeier on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that worked out well for Sinead, didn't it.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I wonder if she now wishes she hadn't done that
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
She should have bitten the head off of a bat.
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
She should have said she was bigger than Jesus right now.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Well now I feel like the stupid one for using "half" instead of "have"
I don’t really care that much. Clearly she got the attention she wanted. I’m in the category of folks who didn’t know who she was, but for the gesture. I still won’t get any of her music. I guess I just think it is odd that she goes on this halftime show and then decides to make this gesture. What was the commentary she was making?
Well, as il rosso stated, her music frequently decries Western excess
Nothing really defines that as much as the Superbowl. She plays nice to the execs, gets on the show, and then flips the bird on television, getting the entire network in trouble
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Well, she sort of kind of did.
Inasmuch as any of this matters, it was a moderately effective turd in the punch bowl.
given her political and economic views,
it’s not that hard to parse at whom the “fuck you” is directed. i’d prefer to keep those issues off veb, but read about her on wikipedia. i think you’ll get a good sense of the reason she’d choose to flip off the camera.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
As the network should've also.
She’s a controversial artist. She’s gonna be controversial by definition. And then haters gon’ hate. And painters are going to paint themselves into the corner farthest from the door.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
isn't she, from what I'm reading here,
also a “hater”?
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
hater, noun:
a person that simply cannot be happy for another person’s success.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
is that not what she doing in regards to "Western excess"?
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
not really (though this is an interesting concept)
because being a “hater”, as the word is popularly defined in hip-hop and pop culture, means to denigrate an individual—often despite that individual’s success or objective merits.
“man, fuck hovah, his bars are beat”.
“you’re just being a hater”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
This isn't grade school.
For an entertainer, getting attention is very important. I didn’t know who M.I.A. was until yesterday. I likely wouldn’t know who she is today if she hadn’t flipped off the camera. She is getting publicity (or, if you prefer, attention) and it will result in her making more money.
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best to be pronounced with record skips in it...
e em eye ey em eye ay
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"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
and bad food when you go to a friends house
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by Green Man! on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah. her name is maya,
but her stage name is M.I.A., as in “missing in action”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think you're discounting the fact that she's recognizable
around the world as a successful artist, has sold out arenas as a hip hop artist (not easy to do), and has been critically acclaimed for going on a decade for her edgy sound and creativity.
But because she’s 36 and college educated, she’s just trying to get attention. Couldn’t this just be who she is?
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She was likely included because she and Nicki Minaj (who my daughter informs me was also in the show)
have been collaborating with Madonna recently, one song of which was the one they did for the show.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
If she had no flipped off the camera, would anyone be talking about her today?
I don’t think so. To me, this seems to make a whole heck of a lot of sense for her career. She was playing to her fans, who likely enjoy her message, by generating mainstream media condemnation which will likely cause more people to check out her music. Seems to make a lot of sense to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
remember when all you had to do to get your music noticed was play a good song or two?
but then again, thats when music was music; and then MTV ruined it for all the ugly musicians who could wail.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's pretty sad that it is not about the music itself anymore
I think most people are nearly music illiterate.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
umm, no. this has never been the case. as soon as video transmission became common
technology, physical appearance was a thing. think elvis’s hips.
even before TV, vaudeville musicians were all about putting on a live performance that was visually exciting.
for that matter, radio, records, and sheet music were the first media that allowed the visual and the audio to be divorced from one another; in reality, being able to listen to music without seeing the performer is the “new” thing, not the other way round.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the thing about MTV was tongue-in-cheek
but there was a time where you didnt have to flash a nipple or flip off the camera to get people to talk about your “music”
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
jim morrison and elvis presley would like to know to what epoch in musical history you refer.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
or Sinatra,
or Ray Charles, or Eric Clapton
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get your point
Some artists have succeeded on the merits of their music. Some artists have succeeded by touting their sex appeal and pandering to the media machine. This is true now, and has always been true. Adele is a contemporary example of a quality, massively successful musician who does not flaunt a Hollywood body. Arcade Fire. I could go on and on.
This is more like what I was trying to say
When I choose to listen to a band/artist/whatever, its not because they’re hot, or sexy, or the hot new thing everyone HAS to listen to because its new…it for the music, these days, I think that puts me in the minority
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ray charles shocked many by setting a sexualized tune - "i got a woman" -
to church music styles. he was considered deeply offensive and sacriligeous to many people at the time. he was not so much for the visually shocking performance.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
mozart shocked the opera world by setting an opera in a harem.
his operas were fairly risque by conservative Austrian standards.
if FMTWP merely meant that sensibilities had changed, and that madonna would have been arrested 100 years ago, then i agree.
if he means that there was once some time when music was pure and visual performance, especially shocking visual performance, was unheard of, then i disagree.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
did it work?
I haven’t sought it out, since I have enough stupid crap bouncing around in my brain already, but I haven’t seen a ton of media outrage. If the Boston Metro (unofficial slogan: You’re Probably Going to Read at Least One of These Stunningly Insipid Articles While Trying to Figure Out Which Page Has the Crossword) didn’t give it more than a passing mention, I doubt it got too much play.
well, there you go
congratulations, M.I.A! You have played our always-disappointing national media like a piano!
by Robth on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he was defending her
He was just pointing out that ridiculing her upbringing, which was in the middle of some seriously traumatic horrors, is kind of insensitive.
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by Brian_K on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Today my friend I've awarded you the uncommon decency award.
It mostly exists in my head.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is a correct assessment
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
What were your thoughts when Springsteen hit the camera with his crotch a few years ago?
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by spants on Feb 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was one of the better crankings a sporting event has seen.
The ballboy in the 2008 World Cup USA-Algeria match topped him, though.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Still awesome.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
dude is old and probably shouldn't be sliding around on the stage like that.
he looks vaguely pathetic. also, he looks like he might not get up again without assistance.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
WTF this subthread, you guys
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 6, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously, 200 fucking comments about Madonna
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
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Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
i read some of the comments
and they were about madonna.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
If I really wanted to prove you wrong,
I’d tell you to keep reading, but for your sanity’s sake, please don’t read the rest of it.
this is like a foreign language to me
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word on the street was that she threw her back out a few days before.
she defintely looked a little stiff.
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by Action Jaxon on Feb 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That was the best commercial of the day
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was so over-the-top absurd I even enjoyed it a little.
All the while pretending I hated it more than cancer.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Whatever that LED display was that they had on the field was ballin'
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yes, I think we can all agree that last night was the start of something special indeed
a new age for mankind. I mean, what screams world peace and brotherhood of man more than an opulent and ostentatious concert whose budget alone probably could have fed half the starving children in Africa for a month.
/“that guy”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
oh, and I thought it sucked (except I'll admit to having a soft spot for Nicki Minaj and Cee-lo)
but just let Prince play it every year, dammit
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
if prince and the revolution played a pickup game
Of basketball against the knicks at halftime, I’d watch that.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shirts versus blouses!
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by TBender on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a tribute to the NBA player
for the Lakers, but they didn’t have enough LEDs to put the Metta first.
As soon as I saw it
I (drunkenly) cheered “Metaaaaa!”. To my horror, a conversation about the NBA ensued…
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all the talk this morning
is about MIA and how she disgraced herself and blew her big opportunity to get noticed because no one knew who she was and if she had been good everyone would have looked her up and bought her stuff.
i’m just “wat”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
also, no lie, i went to bed during the halftime show.
i was bored and tired and inebriated.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I thought Madonna did well, personally,
which interprets to great once you compare it to other recent super bowl halftime shows.
I though the low point was with MIA and Nicki. Actually, that entire part with the pompoms was a bit dull.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
okay.
well, MIA is a pretty brash figure. without going to far into the politics of it, her songs have always critiqued western excess. i thought it was surprising someone of her inclinations would play the super bowl at all, but i guess money talks.
i view the middle finger as showing her distaste for the spectacle. it’s not going to hurt her appeal among those who already like her.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Agree that I won't hurt her appeal and will most likely help her.
I still think it’s a bit hypocritical of her. “showing her distaste for the spectacle” and then cashing a check for taking part in it.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
my thoughts as well
first time i’ve hoped someone would sell out that i can recall
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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its not $$$$$$$$$$$$$ per se...
some people, (cough, cough, Pujols) call it respect
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, this pretty much defines hypocrite
“I’ll show all those Westerners that they’re living to excess by taking a boatload of money to perform in front of hundreds of millions of people!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
During freshman orientation for High School
one of our priests flipped off my whole class, held both birds up for like two minutes and then started shouting “THIS MEANS NOTHING” over and over and then he launched into a big diatribe about the silly symbols society puts on things. Highly entertaining to a couple hundred 14 year olds. Anyhoo, ever since then I’ve been very amused when someone flips someone off. I find sarcastic waving to be much better in getting my point across.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No irony
That that came from a priest of a religion with lots and lots of symbols for stuff.
#givelancechants
He was in the movie Blood Beach before becoming a priest.
Weird guy.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
From IMDB:
Something or someone is attacking people one by one on the beach. Some of them are mutilated, but most of them are sucked into the sand, disappearing without a trace. What is the creature responsible? Where does it live, and where did it come from? And is there any chance of it reproducing? Meanwhile, David Huffman and Mariana Hill are once-almost-married old friends, reunited over the death of her mother on the beach, and searching for clues in the abandoned buildings where they used to play when they were young.
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by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite use of flipping the bird
is when idiots request “Free Bird” at shows I’m playing. A guy I play then says “We’re having a two for one special today” and he flips the bird on both hands to the idiot in question.
youneverknow
Maybe it was Chami-NERD
Or possibly Suck-smet.
Haha. Take that, rival schools.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
because, man, she doesn't play by society's rules
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
If 75% of society doesn't play by society's rules. . .
are they rules anymore?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone really care why?
Superbowl halftime is always a gut churner, full of lame bullshit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 1:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, they should grow up and care about real problems and not desperate attempts for attention
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it's not desperate.
this line of conversation is exhausting.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The funny thing is i didnt even notice it happen
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 1:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess flipping the bird doesnt strike me as a big deal anymore
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I enjoyed the Ray Vinson/Tony La Russa halftime show just fine.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I only just it this morning.
I think Ray Vinson is actually Jervis Tetch and can control TLR’s mind.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That left me confused and unsettled.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean
Did Tony La Russa participate in an over-the-top commercial that basically amounted to an “F You” to Albert Pujols, during the Super Bowl? Did I just see that?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I was wondering that too
La Russa and Vinson were never actually on camera at the same time, right? So it’s possible he wouldn’t know about that part.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
OK, I guess that is probably Tony looking away from the camera in the last scene
Either that or someone made up to look like Tony from behind.
I think Ray Vinson might be some sort of evil genius regardless.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
But did he know the green screen he was looking at was going to be filled by the Mexican non-union equivalent of Albert Pujols?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Are you sure it was a green screen?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
OK, I guess that probably is green screen
Because the Albert Pseudols moves in weird choppy slow motion.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Vinson's villain name will be either The Vinsonator or Death-Ray
There would be more choices, but I can’t think of a clever pun involving mortgages or interest rates.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Hm
That article does make it seem like he’s probably not a good guy. But it also makes it seem like some other really shady people were doing really shady things to him. I think everybody in that story is actually the bad guy.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Does anyone know why TLR is in Vinson's ads?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I assumed that was it but I wasn't sure if there was another connection.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
BFFs?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Some sort of friendship or a business connection or something.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
you are probably correct. i doubt tony would do a commercial for someone
he didn’t have a friendship or something with and respect in some way. I just don’t see that in tony’s makeup. He probably has a list of like 10 things, and if the relationship doesn’t on balance weigh favorable on doing the commercial he’s just not going to do it on principal. (being serious here)
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
It was stupid, but halftime shows have sucked lately anyway
Clapton or George Thorogood would be cool, but apparently BEP and Modonna are the gold standard now, ugh
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I would enjoy both of those. Or Frampton. Or Rush. Something fun that’s not ridiculous.
Petty did it recently, right? The tattered remains of The Rolling Stones were kind of horrible some years ago but I still think the classic rock route is my preference.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I saw him at the state fair 10 or 15 years ago and he was great.
I listened to a live tape of a show from 1988 and they were nearly identical. Even the banter with the audience.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, not a big fan either
I liked him when he first came out before I knew much about older blues and early rock ‘n’ roll. But he mostly rehashes old Chuck Berry and old blues tunes. Plus, he’s not a good singer and doesn’t play guitar all that well.
youneverknow
Guys, can't we just agree that Kelly Clarkson should perform both the anthem and the halftime show, every year, until she's 60?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
dream come true!
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heh,
no one knows who that is! she has no broad appeal.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
it's a tackle box joke.
i didn’t mean to insinuate anything about her weight.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Who says they need music?
they should let Conan have 20 minutes to do whatever he wants.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm actually not kidding
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I don't think Louis C.K. can do a tame show
he’d last a few minutes before talking about bags of dicks and wha they look like
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 6, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
He might flip off the camera!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
But that would offend my western civilization sensibilities!
Someone think of the children!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Won't someone please think of the children?!
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Still, they could probably get good views airing that on CC or someplace.
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DANE COOK!!!!
/butnotreally
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dear lord.
I would rather watch somebody stand there and pick their nose for 30 uninterupted minutes than watch that assclown.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I still don't get why TBS thought it was a good idea to put him in their playoff ads
was that 2009?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why doesn't Comedy Central do this?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Heh, just posted the same thought.
Maybe it’s easier just to punt the whole thing. Even the Puppy Bowl is on way before the Super Bowl.
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I played some SNES Tecmo Bowl during it, so I guess it was good?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by a fink on Feb 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that the one with the crazy reverse play?
No, that’s NES, nevermind. I remember a couple teams had some crazy fast RBs. It pretty much broke the game.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah
The only person in the game that could tackle Bo Jackson was Richard Dent. And Walter Peyton was impossible to stop. And I seem to remember the Denver Broncos had a pass play that you could score a touchdown on every play.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
The NES and SNES were pretty similar.
Most old-school purists prefer the NES, but I found the controls a little more responsive on the SNES, and there are less little tricks to make game play more about strategy in it as well.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I never played the SNES one
In fact I didn’t play very many sports games for SNES at all. By that point I was more interested in Mario games and other platformers and Square RPGs.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I wasted an entire year of my youth
trying to beat Dragon Warrior.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I tried playing Dragon Warrior for real once
But gave up almost as soon as I got outside the town. After a few battles it became clear that leveling up was not supposed to make your character better, it was supposed to build character. The same way walking uphill in the snow to school everyday builds character.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That is seriously the most tedious game of all time
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Yeah.
I got the game guide, and it says what levels you have to be at to beat the next level, and basically I wound up walking around killing slimes for like a month.
Why did I think that was ever fun?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
the first final fantasy was enough for me
girlfriendup wants to try dragon warrior someday since it’s such a big influence on earthbound, the Greatest Game Ever Made, and because everybody in japan uses it as a cultural touchstone, but I’m not sure I have the willpower to do it.
I remember playing it as a kid
Don’t remember beating it, but I also remember it being really small.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I actually have played FF1 a lot on my phone
Adding the ability to save pretty much everywhere (essential for a cell phone game I feel) makes it way easier to play. Also, they fixed the battle target problem where you accidentally end up attacking nothing all the time because monsters die before you planned them to die.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
what is earthbound?
Sorry, never bought a game system until I got the Wii for my family a couple of years ago.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
it's an RPG from 1995 that bombed when it came out and has become a bit of a cult classic since then
it’s an acquired taste even as far as 16-bit RPGs go, but it’s probably what made me want to be a writer, so I plug it whenever I can.
It's also a surprisingly large series in Japan, right? How many games have actually come out in the U.S.?
I remember reading about the ill-fated N64 Disc Drive, and a Mother/Earthbound game was touted as an example of the crazy-awesome potential of the new platform. Man, that was ages ago.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yeah, when that got canceled I just about died inside
I remember going into the IRC chatroom where I used to hang out the day it was announced and it was pandemonium.
only the SNES version came out in the US, but a leaked prototype version of the NES localization exists and the big earthbound website where I’ve hung out for like 13 years did an outstanding translation of the third one.
they’re much more popular in japan—the creator of the series, shigesato itoi, is a famous copywriter/public intellectual/cool-stuff-salesman out there. girlfriendup and I went to see the giant mr. saturn when they were taking it on tour to japanese arcades and there was a line stretching out the door of the arcade and halfway through the mall. (luckily, since she and I were the only white people there and she explained to them that I’d flown out from the states the same day we got to cut ahead.)
by DanUpBaby on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I move that this post be preserved for eternity in the Hall of DanUp
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting."
but I just had to power through to the end.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i seriously love that someone
is as passionate about something i had no clue existed until two minutes ago.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
until I got into baseball in high school
I probably spent all of my time on the internet talking about earthbound, and I still hang out there a lot. my friends who started the big fan website now run a videogame apparel company, and every so often I appear on their podcast.
now that I think about it my online identity is probably divided down the middle between “people who know me as a sportsblogger” and “people who know me as a crank on a videogame forum.”
What game did Ness come from?
Is that Earthbound?
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah
I’m glad he’s fun to play in smash brothers, because whether he sucked or not I’d really have no choice but to play as him all the time.
I can only speak for the 64 version
but if you were an advanced player you could demolish people with Ness. Fox’s natural enemy in that game.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 5:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, he was way overpowered in the 64 version
his throw was completely unfair. then he sucked in melee, and he’s pretty good again in brawl.
For some reason I like Lucas better in Brawl
I can’t really remember why.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
he's got that awesome up-smash
plus if you play with smash balls his PK thunder is absurdly easy to get a final smash with, since it passes through other players.
I think the up-smash had a lot to do with it
It just seems ridiculously strong.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I actually didn't tend to use PK Thunder too much
I was never that good at it. I used PK Fire or whatever it’s called way too much.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If a person played with Kirby more than a week after learning the game
he or, more likely she, was shunned.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 5:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That right there
has to be, hands-down, the best comment I’ve ever read on VEB.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
in the sense that it could probably describe
half the comments made on this site, I might agree
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Dan, can I use that as my
sig?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
are you supposed to ask the writer's if you can use something they say as a sig?
If so do you mind Azru?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's me with half my VEB comments.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You get a rec for using correct Parliamentary procedure.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I really gotta start reading through threads before commenting...
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Play it on an emulator and use EXP cheats
Seriously. Level-grinding in that game is way too tedious. I don’t know how I had the patience to do it when I was ten years old.
I actually downloaded it for my PC.
It was every bit has hard and time-consuming as I remember it.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Why didn't I think of this?
Now I have to wait a full year. +10, fink.
Also +10 because this subthread is breaking my brain, but this part is not.
Still not a werewolf.
I thought it was awkward.
Madonna is over-the-hill, and while some of her cartwheels etc… were cool for a 50+ person, much of her dancing weirded me out. And some of the lip-synching was just terrible. Although, I love Cee-Lo (especially when he wears shiny, flowing kaftans), and the set, dancers and showmanship was top-notch.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Atleast the last time there was this much drama over a halftime show,
I almost got to see bewbs.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't lip syncing required for the half-time show?
So no one goes off-script.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 6, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
also, audiences demand a technical performance
(dancing, jumping up and down) and you can’t do that very well while singing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It was the worst thing I've ever seen
It foreshadowed the fall of Rome (America).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I kinda dug the Rome theme
It was like Caligula. I’m not sure if the ironic excess was intentional or not.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Should have known who started this...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Great Post
Thanks for explaining some of these pitching metrics that get thrown around so much. And it makes it a lot easier to understand seeing an example pitcher.
So if I’m reading this right… Jaime for 2012 Cy Young!
I think these are good reasons to look at Garcia's upcoming season through a positive filter.
What worries me about Jamie is that it seems like he has to use his whole arsenal of pitches starting at pitch one. He doesn’t have one plus pitch that he can rely on to guide him through when he’s struggling, and he doesn’t seem to “pitch” well enough to outsmart hitters when he doesn’t have his good curveball by simply changing speeds and eye-level with his fastball and change-up.
I think this, more than fatigue (although his pitch counts are a factor at times) is why Garcia has difficulty getting to the 7th inning in most of his starts. Once a lineup has seen him once, they know exactly what they’re going to see and how they’re going to be pitched, so there’s relatively few surprises left in store.
This comes out in of the wash when you look at Jamie’s splits. As you can see, he’s near unhittable in the first two innings of games. But by the third inning, when a lineup that’s scattered a hit and a walk will be coming back around to the top of the order, he starts to struggle. Opposing hitters have an above average OPS against him in 4 of the next 5 innings — you can also see the significant decline in games in which he’s gone beyond the 5th inning as well.
Looking at a couple other pitchers for comparison:
- Chris Carpenter’s 2011 splits are pretty even across the board from innings 1-7, with his real struggles coming in the second inning. But no inning is nearly as bad for Carp as innings 3,5,6, and 7 are for Jamie. Carp is a better pitcher, imo: He mixes things up, keeps guys off balance, and can muddle through when he doesn’t have his best stuff.
- For a closer comparison to Jamie, I chose Wandy Rodriguez. Wandy is pretty much a two pitch pitcher, much like Jamie is, and they had similar overall numbers in 2011. As you can see, Wandy is similar to Carpenter in that he’s not incredibly great in any one inning, but not incredibly bad in any one inning either until the 7th, where he’s absolutely awful. He’s the inverse of Jaime: If you don’t get to Wandy early, you’re probably in for a long night when he settles in.
What to make of this? For starters, it seems unlikely that Jamie can ever be a true #1 starter in a big league rotation. Because of his difficulty in getting into the 7th inning, he’s going to tax the bullpen more often than not, and generally you ask your #1 to go 7 or 8 and rest your bullpen after it’s been taxed by your 4th and 5th starters. However, given the current Cardinal rotation, he doesn’t have to be. He can slot in as an above average #3 starter and give 3-4 above average innings a night before he runs into real trouble. Given the fact that our club is likely to be among the league leaders in runs scored again in 2012, the issues in the middle innings hopefully won’t hurt the club a lot over a full season.
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by fourstick on Feb 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
From what I can tell
Jaime is not a two pitch pitcher. He has 5 distinct pitches. He uses all 5 against RHB, only 4 against LHB
Mostly I just wanted to use that site
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MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF INFORMATION ABOUT PITCHING

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
i like randy johnson's release point as seen from above

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
His arms must be as long as I am tall.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
okay, yeah,
that one’s better. i like how only two of those pitches end up on the plate.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
the worst part about all this stuff they added
is that the last thing I needed was another reason to have a crush on specialty relievers with weird release points.
if you extrapolate,
he must be pitching from somewhere between short and third.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Feb 6, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are we sure this is to scale?
The pitching rubber is 24 inches long. It’s 60 feet, 6 inches from home to the rubber. The rubber looks a lot wider than it should be….
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Those aren't pitches
Those are 3-2 putouts.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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speaking of submariners embarrassing Cardinals
Mitch Stetter striking out Duncan
Still not a werewolf.
he recently signed with the Rangers I believe
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was confused for a second.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
RJ SWINDLE!!!!!!!! (not quite as impressive, though)
Vs. Righties: 
Vs. Lefties: 
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, so it's like serving in volleyball?
You can jump off the mound, but the ball has to leave your hand before your feet touch the ground again, right?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
His back foot still needs to be touching the rubber when the ball is released.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Yeah, in real life baseball
But in my fantasy version it’s way cooler.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
He'd win multiple Cy Young AND Gold Gloves as a pitcher
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Start sponsoring Cardinals pitchers or the Cubs fans will put unseemly links and messages on them.
THEY TOOK ER JERBS!
#givelancechants
his horizontal movement x vertical movement graph is the best

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 6, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Two-Pitch Pitcher
I don’t know that I agree with the premise that Garcia is a two-pitch pitcher. Garcia throws his fastballs a lot, but he mixes up between his curve (9.2%), change (17.2%), and slider (7.2%). Maybe if you consider Garcia a two-seam/four-seam fastball pitcher, he is a two-pitch pitcher, but that would still not make him like Wandy. Wandy throws his fastballs a lot (27.6%), but then throws his curve 36.9% of the time. The highest share a non-fastball gets from Garcia is less than half the share Wandy throws his curve.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He pitches off his fastball and his curveball is the only other pitch he trusts to throw for strikes.
That’s a two pitch pitcher. He might THROW more pitches, but his got only two pitches that are truly above average. He’s not exactly like Wandy, but the outcomes he gets are similar.
The slider is an out pitch — he throws it a ton on 2 strike counts in which he’s ahead (0-2, 1-2, 2-2) but rarely one any other count because he struggles throwing it for strikes. The whiff rate is high for that pitch, but that’s because of the counts he throwing it on. It’s a good pitch if he’s ahead, worthless in just about any other count, and nearly always thrown after a four seam fastball. Which bumps its effectiveness but also makes him more predictable, which is the point I was making above.
Based on the Brooks Baseball stats above, I don’t think he throws his curveball enough. But, then again, it’s possible that’s because he doesn’t have his “good” curveball a lot of the time.
We can quibble on whether he’s a “two pitch” pitcher or not, but I don’t know that it has anything to do with my overall analysis above.
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Percentage of time Garcia's respective pitchers are called "balls"
Curve: 47.00%
Change: 43.52%
Sinker: 33.38%
Four-Seamer: 33.91%
Slider: 31.47%
I think this undermines the assertion that the curve is the only pitch besides his fastball that he can throw for a strike. He throws his change nearly twice as often as his curve and it is less likely to be called a “ball.” He throws his slider slightly less often than his curve but it is called a “ball” 31.47% of the time to 47% of the time for his curve.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Check out the whiff% on his slider, yo
Ridiculous
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I'm going to quibble whether he's a two pitch pitcher
He is not. From texasleaguers
0-0 cutter/slider 14%, changeup 10%, curve 9%.
1-0 cutter/slider 11%, changeup 16%, curve 2%
2-0 cutter/slider 20%, changeup 10%, curve once
He threw his cutter more in 2-0 counts than he did in 0-1 counts and he throws his changeup pretty frequently. It’s the curve that he only really uses in 2 strike counts. If anyone is a 2 pitch pitcher in hitters counts, it’s Carpenter.
Not afraid to nitpick
I wondered why the Brooks player card didn't include cutters.
Could they be labeling cutters as sliders?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
More likely labeled 2 seamers.
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Eh, I've talked to several people who work for MLB teams who saw sliders and cutters are hard to distinguis a lot of the time
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Fine, fuck it
He’s not a two pitch pitcher.
Let’s take an ENTIRE POST BASED ON SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY and then quibble with one point.
Thanks guys. Don’t bother commenting on the rest.
Sheesh.
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I also think he can become ace.
Garcia was 47th in MLB in IP last season. He made one more start and threw 1.2 more innings than Mat Latos and threw only 3.1 fewers innings that Matt Garza. He threw 11 fewer innings in one fewer start than reputed workhorse Mark Buehrle. Garcia lowered his walk rate significantly from 2010 to 2011 but saw his BABIP againt jump. If he continues to improve his control or his control even stays flat and his BABIP luck evens out, he ought to easily surpass 200 IP in 2012.
You compared him to Carpenter in your initial post. I see some similarities there. Unlike Garcia, Carpenter throws almost exclusively sinkers when throwing a fastball. Carp throws them 42% of the time and his four-seamer and sinker a combined 49% fo the time. For comparison, Garcia throws his sinker 36% of time and his four-seamer 21% of the time. Carpenter throws his curve 23% of the time and his cutter 23% of the time. Carpenter is essentially a three-pitch pitcher (sinker, cutter, and curve) and sprinkles in four-seamers (7%) and changes (2%). Garcia, OTOH, uses five pitches: four-seamer (21%), sinker (36%), slider (18%), curve (11%), and change (14%). To me, his repertoire ought to be able to be deployed in a way that allows him to work deeper into games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
One of the 30 best starters in the league, I think, yeah
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okay. this is one use of terminology that has always confused me in baseball.
it makes sense that there would be 30 #1 starters, but a lot of sabr guys say there’s only about 10, which makes it seem there is some objective standard to which every pitcher is compared.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
That's the problem with discussions on pitchers: the labeling.
I take “No. 1” and “ace” to mean top 30. I think a lot of folks take those terms to mean 2010 Adam Wainwright, 2005 Chris Carpenter, or 1968 Bob Gibson. It’s fine for them to do that. But, it’s important to get on the same page when using those terms in a discussion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I interpret ace as top 30, but if a pitching rotation is a messy embarrassment,
I don’t give them an ace.
Still not a werewolf.
Not every team has an ace
Some have three.
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so when you say top 30
do you give one per team, or just the top 30 overall, regardless of team?
Still not a werewolf.
Top 30 regardless of team
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second one makes more sense,
if you hold to the “there are 30 aces” rule then you should pick the 30 best pitchers.
but then it makes a lot less sense to say there must be 30 aces, which is why the objective evaluation comes in, which is why a lot of people claim there are around 10.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
One way to bridge the definitions:
there may only be 10 guys that can reliable be counted on to be in the top 30
by brackenthebox on Feb 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's a good way to do it.
I think a few of the sabermetrics websites have defined it along those lines, haven’t they?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I mean it's a goofy label
But I absolutely would not say “Top 30.” An ace is the guy you want starting Game 1 of the WS. 2011 Jaime Garcia or thereabouts (30th in WAR for what it’s worth) should not be the best pitcher on a WS team.
Not afraid to nitpick
He would've started Game 1 for the 2004 Cardinals!
Garcia’s 2011 was on par with Chris Carpenter’s 2004.
Nonetheless, I understand what you’re saying.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Should(!)
But yeah. Just for fun, the best pitcher on the WS winning team and their fWAR:
2011: Carpenter 5.0
2010: Lincecum 4.9
2009: Sabathia 6.4
2008: Hamels 4.4
2007: Beckett 6.5
2006: Carpenter 5.2
2005: Buehrle 6.5
2004: Schilling 7.3
2003: Beckett 3.9 (due to innings, 2.94 FIP)
2002: Washburn 4.5
2001: Randy 10.7
2000: Pettitte 4.0
1999: Cone 3.4
1998: Cone 5.3
1997: Brown 6.4
1996: Pettitte 4.7
1995: Maddux 8.0
Obviously a very flawed method, but 2011 Garcia (30th in WAR) wouldn’t have been the top WAR getter on the 16/17 WS champs, although he’s almost certainly a better pitcher than Washburn even was (though Cone probably gets grizzled vet bonus points in ‘99). I’d like to think everyone believes that an ace should be able to be the #1 on a WS winner.
Not afraid to nitpick
In the realted posts portion,
there’s an Amazin’ Avenue post: “#1, #2, #3, #4, and #5 NL Starters”
It’s an interesting categorization of NL starters, given this dicussion.
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by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
It uses FIP and ERA, which fails to take into account IP--which WAR does.
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by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Cone is a solid hall of very good candidate that got dismissed from the hall vote for too few pitching "wins" far too quickly
He was old as hell in ’99 but the man was a good pitcher
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Ace:
Starter who consistently logs 200 innings per season with an FIP of less than 3.70.
Off the top of my head examples: Sabathia, Halladay, Lee, Lincecum, Verlander, Wainwright, Carpenter, Haren, Weaver, Santana, King Felix, Greinke, Mussina, Josh Johnson.
So, more than 5 or 6, but probably not 30+ except in really rare eras (which we might actually be heading into right now).
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I think Garcia will pitch more than 200 innings in 2012 and have a FIP under 3.70.
After all, he needs to only pitch 5.2 more innings in 2012 than he did in 2011 to reach the 200-IP threshold.
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by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is a valid argument
if you assume that he can make an adjustment in how he sets up his gameplan for each game.
The inning by inning evidence is pretty damning. We can talk to the end of the earth about usage percentages of his different pitches and how effective they are independently (or not) of one another. The fact remains: HItters really seem to figure him out the second or third time they see him within the course of the game. Much more so than other pitchers who have similar xFIP’s over the last two seasons.
One way to explain this is that he’s showing them the kitchen sink in their very first AB. Another would be that he isn’t able to be as effective simply by moving his fastball around and changing speeds with it and has to use breaking balls to get guys out (which seems to be the case with his slider). Another would be fatigue: he’s throwing too many pitches early in the game and therefore isn’t as sharp later on in the game.
I think #3 plays a part, but I think that #1 and #2 are just as important.
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Well it's pretty directly related to every other point
So I’d say his not being a 2-pitch pitcher is pretty domain to the whole post.
Once a lineup has seen him once, they know exactly what they’re going to see and how they’re going to be pitched, so there’s relatively few surprises left in store.
This would be true if he was a 2-pitch pitcher, but he’s not. He’s sucked in later innings last year (although he did not have nearly as dramatic a fall off in 2010 so who knows), but it’s not because he gets pigeon holed into throwing 2 pitches when that’s just demonstrably not true. In fact, since he is a 4-pitch pitcher and not a 2-pitch pitcher, we can have a lot more hope that he can fix the problem since he can and does mix up how he pitches hitters multiple times in a game.
He mixes things up, keeps guys off balance, and can muddle through when he doesn’t have his best stuff.
If anything, Jaime does this more than Carpenter—-Carpenter just has better stuff all the way around fastball, cutter and curve and he has better command to boot. And I’d say that when Carpenter doesn’t have his cutter, he’s basically screwed since he can’t throw his curve for strikes in hitters counts and he doesn’t have a changeup. Jaime can go to the changeup if his slider is off, or if his curveball is “on” then use that as his main offspeed pitch.
Not afraid to nitpick
And, again,
he’s giving them the whole kit and kaboodle from pitch one. Carpenter tends to throw a lot of fastballs early in the game, works ahead, and then starts mixing in breaking pitches and his offspeed stuff later on. If you look at pitches thrown by inning this is a demonstrable difference.
So if you have 5 pitches, but only two of them are above average, are you better off throwing 2 pitches or 5? I don’t think Garcia throws his curveball near enough, but that’s a different debate.
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Sounds like a pretty
straightforward change of approach could yield a lot of benefit. Either he wasn’t getting the right advice or he was resisting the right advice.
Hopefully Lilli will have some positive benefit.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
That's kinda the point I was making above
I think his fastball/cutter is good enough to get by on in the first couple of innings without throwing much breaking stuff at all, while reserving those pitches for later in the game to mix things up. Carpenter is a master at this, going so far as to start hitters off with breaking ball strikes a lot of times when they come to the plate for their second PA of the game. I don’t think Garcia has enough command of his breaking pitches to be able to do that, but at least he would reserve something for later without showing the whole arsenal to each guy the first time up.
I think his current approach is really susceptible to teams that work counts and foul off a lot of pitches. Thank the sweet lord we don’t play in the AL East, which is loaded with teams that do that (Boston, NYY, Toronto)
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i would like to thank you for this post
because it prompted a lot of discussion.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I don't think Jaime is a two pitch pitcher at all
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/6/24/1526788/jaime-pitch-f-x
In fact I think he has some of the most varying stuff in the game.
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Oquendo jr.
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Oswalt
I gotta say, I think Mozeliak is leveraging the hell out of Oswalt. He knows that Roy wants to come here or Texas, so that really gives the Cards a lot of leverage. Roy really doesn’t have the position, at this point, to name his own price. The Cards know they can likely get him for much closer to their price of $5M, if they just wait it out. Only Texas or Boston may come in and pick him up in the meantime, but those two seem to have been ruled out of the running, as only the unabashed Bostonian homer Gordon Edes says the Red Sox are still in play.
The Cards have made it clear that the only way we would be able to afford to pay more for Roy is if we trade KMac or Westbrook. All the Cards have to do after saying that is take their time and then announce that they couldn’t find a deal that fit. Sorry, Roy. No more room in the payroll. If you want to play this year, you’ll take our previous offer. What’s that? You’ll go somewhere else? Like where? You’ve made it pretty clear that you really only want to play here or Texas, evidenced by you turning down a deal twice the size of ours to play for Detroit. So come on. Play here.
This could be the same plan of action Texas is employing, too, but I’m not as familiar with their side of things.
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the reds said that oswalt is going to texas, for what it's worth.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
We have 7 guys on our 40 man that are getting innings as starters in ST?
And 2 more top 100 prospects starting the year at AAA potentially?
Also, their 7 guys are all better than Jake Westbrook and they don’t have any starters coming off of Tommy John. They’re far more set in the rotation than we are.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Leverage. Contractual judo.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Or he decides to take the Detroit deal after all.
He’s turned STL down, and he’s turned Detroit down (and he’s turned whomever else down). Assuming nobody increases their offer, there’s no way of knowing which one Oswalt actually prefers right now.
I thought the Detroit deal was before they signed Prince
if so, is there any way it is still on the table?
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Yeah, no idea there, good point.
My broad point is just that we don’t actually know how many millions of dollars Roy Oswalt’s stated preference to play close to Mississippi is worth to Roy Oswalt.
Yeah, no idea there, good point.
My broad point is just that we don’t actually know how many millions of dollars Roy Oswalt’s stated preference to play close to Mississippi is worth to Roy Oswalt.
he still wants to play in STL the most
so he will give mo every opportunity to beat an offer if he changes his mind. it’s not like there’s a scenario where mo is just biding his time and all of a sudden oswalt is no longer available without any notice.
I wouldn't congratulate him until we actually land
Oswalt. Also, it’s very possible that the long wait may reflect dewitt telling him he has $5m and no more, rather than a conscious decision to make oswalt sweat.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mo should have signed him when the iron was hot. Worry about the dumping of K Mac later...
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no no
wasn’t offering any congratulations. just trying to put a finger on what is going on right now.
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maybe
but why would you increase your offer if no team that he’s willing to pay for is offering more?
I think you're giving Mo credit for things beyond his control and that were never part of his plan.
Mo isn’t leveraging anything out of Oswalt. If Oswalt wanted to sign a 1yr/$8-10MM deal, then he’d already be signed by the Tigers, probably.
By signing the likes of McClellan and Westbrook (no need to lock him up for two years at $8MM per – veteran SP’s with his talent are available every year on 1 yr deals), and being constrained by the team’s budget, Mo has simply backed himself into corner that relies on Oswalt’s whim. Why should Mo get any credit for this?
If we sign Oswalt, it’ll be because of chance/luck, as well as Oswalt’s personal preference on where he plays. It’ll be despite Mo, not because of him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see where he fits in with the Rangers.
They have 6 or 7 potential starters right now, and 2 more will start the year at AAA.
I mean, who do you bump from their rotation to plug in Oswalt?
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I'd rather trade K-Mc, up the offer by the amount saved, and be done with it.
K-Mc is wasting roster space anyway.
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pay him more just for the sake of signing him now?
the season doesn’t start until april. i’d rather save the money. i have no idea what the cards will need to buy come july
you can't really spend money in july
i’d rather overpay for oswalt than not get him.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
what?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
i still don't know what your asking
but it might help if you got on your knees.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
wanna talk about radiohead?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
oh
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Except that they wouldn't even be overpaying.
It’d just be a few dollars more.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds pretty good
Not as bad as a fistful of dollars, but probably pretty ugly.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I still haven't seen them in their entirety, other than tGtB&tU.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well, have you ever watched Yojimbo
or Last Man Standing? Both AFoD and LMS are based on Kurosawa’s Yojimbo, which I’ve read was inspired, at least in part, by John Ford’s westerns, and a film noir, The Glass Key, an adaptation of Hammett’s book. Pretty interesting traveling of film styles, film noir to samurai/ronin to western to Prohibition gangland movie.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I'm not as much of a film buff as I'd (maybe) like to be.
I haven’t heard of those.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
...

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Mifune is fantastic.
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Last Man Standing might be the bloodiest movie I've ever seen
Smokin’ Aces is up there too
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Of the three
Yojimbo, A Fistful of Dollars, and Last Man Standing, LMS is by far my least favorite. Willis is ok, but everything else, including the script, sucked. Yojimbo and AFoD at least had some humor in them.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I loved Willis in that movie, but the rest of it was meh
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, to prevent the chance of losing him for one.
The season may not start until April, but I’m sure you’re aware they start getting ready much sooner than that — in a couple weeks in fact.
And the point is, if the difference is K-Mc’s contract, then by dumping his contract on someone else and giving the saved $ to Oswalt the team salary only increases the same $5 million currently offered to Oswalt. There’s no reason to hold onto K-Mc anyway, and the marginal wins gained from adding Oswalt is more than worth it. I don’t think it’s worth it to look a gift horse in the mouth; Oswalt is willing to sign with us on a one-year deal for less than his worth — let’s do it.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
to your first part, i can’t say any better than i said it here
giving the saved $ to Oswalt the team salary only increases the same $5 million currently offered to Oswalt
so? that’s not an argument to not try and get the best deal
am i going to have to have this conversation with you every day until oswalt is under contract with someone
I was wondering the same thing :-P
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
1. Has he said that St. Louis is his #1 choice?
It seems like he’s talking to lots of other teams, even if he’d rather not sign there. If StL is far and away his top choice, I’d agree that that would change things if he comes back to them with competing offers. But if another team is a close 2nd, then Mo could still miss out on improving the team substantially. I don’t want to get screwed just because we wanted to play hardball over a relatively small amount of cash on a one-year contract that’s already a steal.
2. It is a good argument because even though Oswalt technically gets paid more, the total amount the team pays remains the same as it would if he accepted the current offer of $5 million. A roster spot has to be cleared anyway, doesn’t it? So if they already have to trade K-Mc, and they wind up paying the same total salary (even though a slightly larger % goes to Oswalt), what difference does it make? Better to do it than to get caught hemming and hawing over ~3% of payroll.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
check the bottom of the thread
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, just saw that.
Shit.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Random question
It’s the offseason so I’ll ask, but won’t in 2 weeks!
Okay I want to hang my TV above the fireplace. (Brick) I have a DVR, Wii, and BlueRay that need to be run to it. My plan was to use a small conduit to run the power and the cords. I was curious if there was something that I could plug all the things into and only run one cord into the TV besides the power. So then it would only be 2 cords instead of 4. Plus if I wanted to add anything it would still be only 2 cords. Thoughts? BTW was Alex Cora talked about yet?
I haven't seen it work
But I’ve thought about getting this product for similar purposes. I doubt it would work for the WII though.
I highly recommend
you somehow test having a TV at that level for a while . Your neck may get really annoyed at that setup.
HDMI cords are small. Just pick up some plastic channel at Home Depot and paint it to match the wall. If you wanted to so it a differnet way, you’d have to add HDMI switchers at both ends, and it might not work anyway.
i would assume something
like this would work
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yes
I have done this in my own home. There are a couple of things that you can do.
1) Use an audio receiver that accepts and up converts a single out. This is the easiest thing to do if you are running all your components through audio as well. I have used an older version of this but there are many other brands which are cheaper that do the same thing.
2) If you are happy with your receiver or just like running the audio off your tv, you need to find a switch. Your biggest issue with the switch is mixing the different types of cables from your devices. It is pretty easy if they are all running off of HDMI or component with toslink/digital audio out but if your WII is running off composite (their standard cable) and you want to run your BluRay off HDMI it gets trickier. I have not found a simple switch that does this upconversion without a mid to high end audio receiver attached.
Hope this helps.
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You would need a HDMI Switch box
Not sure if the Wii does HDMI though
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't out of the box—composite and component only
I would guess there’s probably an adaptor out there somewhere, though nintendo doesn’t make it
Do you have a receiver?
Because most new audio equipment will digitally switch HDMI. That would seem to be your best bet for pass through functionality.
The Wii is going to cause you a lot of headache with a TV mounted that high, besides the fact that it doesn’t output HDMI.
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i agree with the receiver route
I don’t think the Wii is a problem mounted that high. My fathers TV is set up that way and we played the Wii on it over Christmas.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
The wonderbar and the analog component cables for a set up like this, where you don't have pre-wire run to the set
is an issue.
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I hope you don't plan on using the fireplace
So many people make that mistake and melt their tvs
bollocks
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jenifer ("one n") langosch has put the contract details
For this off-season’s contracts on her blog.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think it's interesting that McClellan's performance incentives are based on games started
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by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this doesnt mean he will get significant playing time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Since both Motte and the club agreed on the contract
is this a sign that Motte has the closer job no matter what? Not that that was a big surprise.
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Another OT (sort of) question
OK guys, need your opinions. Thinking about getting the At Bat app when it comes out, just for the audio feeds, but not sure if it’s worth it in my situation. I have Dish and get Fox MW which shows most of the games, so watching isn’t usually a problem. I also have a couple of local radio stations that carry the games, but I get pretty crummy reception unless I’m in my car. Just wondering if it would be worth it to get At Bat for just the audio. Also, does it sync at all with a satellite video feed. I’d rather listen to Mike Shannon while I watch, but there’s so much delay between the regular radio feed and the satellite feed. Anyway, sorry for rambling and thanks for the input.
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions
Also, can you get spring training broadcasts on At Bat?
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the ones that were broadcast were also on At Bat.
Some ST games aren’t broadcast at all, especially early on.
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by The Continental on Feb 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure no
Anyway, atbat is awesome, it has in game video highlights that stay there the whole season. Whenever I get bored at work on my lunch I watch WS highlights on my phone. That said, the radio feed is very clear but you need good data reception and an unlimited plan or wifi and there is a huge delay.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They also have the condensed games the next morning...
they are very nice if you miss a game and want more than just highlights… 11 minute morning bathroom breaks.
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they are; they just make them impossible to find from
The main page. Google “mlb condensed game” – it’s the only way to find them.
The address is something like mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
isn't atbat like $15? seems worth it.
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by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
VEB is testy today
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
I have a testy feeling today
Because my roommate was actinv really weird Last night and woke me up in the middle of the night with some kind of drunken tantrum. I wonder if he woke up on the floor and decided to act like a baby because he drank too much.
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I found my roommate on the floor with a half empty handle of southern comfort...
he had just broke up with his girlfriend.
I think he might have been upset.
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Yeah superdrama!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
"I think he might have been upset."
I’m impressed with your ability to draw conclusions. I only wish I had the need to employ such skill
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
SSS
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I would be a horrible GM
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He must have already been drunk when he started that
This explains why he mistook the bottle SoCo bottle for something that isn’t awful.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Mariners just signed Hong-Chih Kuo.
why did we sign JC Romero? Eff.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Kuo has had some mental health issues (and a lot of physical isues, including multiple TJ's)
And I had seen that he preferred staying on the West Coast.
A physically/mentally healthy Kuo willing to pitch in the Midwest would have been great, but I don’t think one of those existed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
if he really has mental health issues we could have convinced him that St. Louis was on the West Coast
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stupidity is not a mental health issue.
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reason: “I tied one on last night and it’s sticking with me”
At least he’s honest
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by scoot on Feb 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad I am not the only person who doesn't understand that phrase.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
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Heh
Sorry, it’s just that it’s not really obvious how the phrase has anything to do with drinking. What exactly is being “tied” in this scenario? Even as a euphemism it seems disconnected to me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Wow, you've not heard of the phrase
“tied one on”? huh. It’s pretty common where I’m from.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I've heard of the phrase
I honestly was just never sure what it meant. And I’m still not sure why it means that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Really?
It’s a common phrase in rural Iowa. I figured it would be just as common in rural Missourah.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I've heard it in a few country songs
Thinking about it, it doesn’t make much sense. But I still thought it was pretty much common knowledge
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah, unlike all of us "hoosiers"
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you missed the joke
call someone that doesn’t live within 100 miles of St. Louis a hoosier and see if they bat an eye. St. Louis made up their own slang derogatory word. But you, a St. Louisan, doesn’t recognize a common (if outdated) slang term for drinking.
If you want to hear the phrase used in song, click this link and see if you can last long enough to hear it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Actually our use of the word "hoosier" could be closer to the original meaning
A bumpkin, hillbilly type person. So far as I can tell it’s still debatable what the origin of the word is. It might come from “hoozer” which apparently comes from a British dialect word meaning “hill people” or “hillbilly”, basically.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It has been used as an insult as far back as the 1830s apparently
Indiana might have started using it as an ironic nickname for themselves because of that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It's common and it goes
back a long way. Don’t know its origins, though.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 6, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
does it have to do with horses at saloons
in the old west?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he got drunk watching the superbowl
and now has a hangover
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm not sure I've ever heard
anyone younger than, say, 40 or 50 use it.
I don't know why VEB is getting so worked up over trivial Super Bowl BS
The real issue is the VW commercial with the exercising dog. I thought it was a perfectly fine commercial, then they just went too damn far with their oh-so-cute-and-clever Star Wars self-referential humor tacked onto the end.
I mean, come on. Do you think I’m stupid, Volkswagen? Do you really think I’m gonna fall for a rehash of the Star Wars thing just because? Did you really need to put that in the commercial? What a bunch of bastards.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want some extended-canon star wars novelists
to explain darth vader knowing about a little boy in 2011 dressing up as darth vader for me. preferably over 500 pages.
It involves an intergalactic time-traveling Juan Encarnacion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
if i happen to think think of juan encarnacion, (like paying someone who got hurt his full contract - not that there's anything right or wrong with that)
i simultaneously want to discuss time traveling juan encarnacion and it’s sucks because no one I know reads VEB
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
i've actaully mentioned veb to people i talk baseball with (smoking area mostly), and none of them bat an eye, or have a question, or oh really moment
pretty much standard, non saber oriented folks. however i had a nice hour or so in a bar last weekend talking to the bartender about baseball who was at game six and is going to ST, while wife was shopping nearby, and when i left they bartender asked if i read any blogs, i mentioned VEB and he immediately asked for the website. name was brady if i recall correctly.
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
STAR WARS Episode 7: The Galactic Ret-Con
I actually think it would have been way better if the Darth Vader in the cantina (what the hell is he doing there anyway? I understand it’s his homeworld but one would think he’d be way too busy to visit, what with being Lord Vader and all) were actually the little kid in the costume again. That would have flipped it back over to being funny again, in my opinion.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Unless I just didn't realize it, no
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
bastard coated bastards
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
One would think that wearing that cape
to the bar would be a real burden.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I once saw a guy wear a Snuggie to a bar once
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Did this guy have the ability to choke people from across the room?
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Well, we're talking about it, so maybe those Madison Avenue guys know what they're doing
But, yeah, the commercials were pretty shitty.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Well, to be fair I care a little more about the commercials because the game itself was kind of blah for me
It was a fun game to watch, don’t get me wrong. But I haven’t cared so little about a Super Bowl in a long time. I mean, I didn’t so much root for the Mets to win as I did for the Red Sox to lose. So the commercials held more of my interest because of that.
As an aside, I almost correctly predicted the score. I guessed Mets 24, Sox 17. So close.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I know a few dozen New Yorkers,
it seems Mets fans are Jets fans and Giants fan’s are Yankee fans. And the only people that love the Islanders are Rosie O and mothers of Islander players.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dang
I was wondering about that, but the NL/AL thing doesn’t work if the Giants are the Yankees. Ah well.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Sorry to ruin your thought.
I’m sure that’s not always the case. This whole cluster of a thread was started off by calling a very manscaped pitcher high maintenance. Who knew?
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Older more stories NY team people, vs newer famous for a big championship upset team people
It makes sense
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
YEAH BUT I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
middle finger
-Don Draper’s Ghost
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You think Draper is dead?
I always assumed the last episode will show like 85 year old Draper in present life.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I've been afraid of this
Oh well, Matthew Weiner will still find a way to make it cool.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 6, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
he's said that the last episode will show everyone in present day
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
Has he explicitly said that?
All I’ve read are some vague hints about toying with the idea of messing with the timeline. I’m not too up on this stuff, though, so I may have missed it.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 6, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
ya he explicitly said it, i'll try & track the story down where i read that
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
I think he was joking.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 8, 2012 1:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
okay. i'm always unclear on the statute of limitations
for this kind of stuff.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
When I watch the full series on DVD in the near future, I'm sure I'll remember this spoiler.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Mad Men is shelf stable?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It spoils two minutes in the second episode. That's it.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 6, 2012 6:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
man, why even bother at that point?
I think I watched the whole series at exactly the wrong moment—the end of 2011—because now I’m starting to get the urge to rewatch the whole thing before march.
Me too. I rewatched S4 in December.
But why not start over completely?!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 6, 2012 6:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the only commercial i really liked
was the hyundai one with the cheetah. mainly because when i see a cheetah, i react like kristen bell.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
One of my favorite things about the commercials are the patterns
Once again Coca-Cola and Pepsi displayed a fascinating dichotomy… fascinating to me anyway. Coke knows that they don’t have to be the “cool” brand. Their hegemony is still pretty secure. So they produce wholesome, likable stuff with endearing characters like the polar bears. Pepsi, on the other hand, is always trying to catch Coca-Cola. So they play the Shrek to Coke’s Monster’s, Inc. They rely way more on pop culture and shock value. Elton John in some sort of weird Alice In Wonderland set up? Dumb pop music styling? Yawn. They look like they are trying too hard (because they are).
Coke sometimes dabbles into the pop culture references, but they are way more clever about it. One year recently they made that Grand Theft Auto parody, which seemed pretty lame to me at first. But then the commercial completely turned it around by having the magical power of Coca-Cola turn everything nice. It ended up being more about the product (“See, Coke is so awesome it even turns the hellish GTA world into something awesome”) than the pop culture itself. Pepsi never really manages that. They’re just trying to check off “cool points” on their list in the hope that it will get the audience’s attention.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
exactly
the pepsi ad made me wonder why elton john was the king and who this person whose singing I was supposed to be impressed by was, and the coke ad made me go to my refrigerator and get a coke.
i heard on the radio that the girl won X-Factor(?)
and part of her prize was that commercial.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Pepsi is an example of how to squander your underdog inheritance and just wind up looking pathetic
It’s a lot like Cards/Cubs actually. Right down to the colors.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean, I happen to also think Coke is a better soda than Pepsi
But this stuff reinforces my brand loyalty. I guess that probably makes me A PATHETIC SHEEPLE.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
watching all of these multi-million dollar Coke commercials on TV
reminds me of why they pay me so poorly…yeah I said it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Pepsi is the choice of the new generation.
Get with the times, bobo.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, commercials were such a train wreck back then
I can’t talk about it anymore, it’s giving me a headache!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
and Dr. Pepper 10 (or whatever) is for MEN ONLY
Deal with it, chicks
(there are some real idiots in advertising, huh?)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I actually find that commercial hilarious
But I wouldn’t ever dream of actually Dr Pepper 10, and that commercial would never drive me to
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate when Coke puts polar bears and penguins in the same commercials.
Polar bears live in the Arctic, but not the Antarctic. For penguins, the picture is reversed. If you don’t think too hard, I guess it’s a good commercial.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I mostly hate the relaxing dump sound they make.
Huurrrhh
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 3:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I've actually always been slightly weirded out by the polar bear sound effects too
Not enough to turn me off the ad campaign, but it’s strange.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I also think it's hilarious how often Pepsi commercials make explicit references to Coke
The most recent example I can think of is the campaign where the Pepsi delivery truck guy has the rivalry with the Coke truck driver guy. Coke never does this. Why draw attention to your rival? Why make it painfully obvious that you think you have to “beat” them? If your product was better on its own merits you wouldn’t have to make case against the other guy, you would just make the case for yourself. Pepsi wouldn’t have to do this if Coke didn’t dominate the market so much.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I honestly don't think I've ever seen a Coke commercial that has Pepsi in it
There are probably dozens of Pepsi commercials with Coke in them.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You're really into this Coke-Pepsi thing, aren't you.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
OK, so maybe I have spent a little too much time thinking about it...
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those words have been taken out of context.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
daring fireball just used that point as it relates to apple/samsung, as he is wont to do
I have no intention of starting an ios/android debate today, though, so I’ll just link it here (new window.)
Huh
I hadn’t actually realized it was the same phenomenon but it obviously is.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
stringing it out a little further
apple does mention (or at least did mention) its primary competitor in the PC space, where it has no reasonable chance of beating windows in overall marketshare.
Yeah, that's true
Different market, different situation, different tactic. Or maybe strategy, whatever.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
from that site
honeywell has this patent:
U.S. Patent No. 7,634,504 – this patent was filed in 2006 (issued 2009) and covers displaying grammatically complete sentences while programming a thermostat.wat
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah, I just saw that on the verge
they might have trouble defending that one when prior art includes every dialogue box in the history of computing.
i mean how you patent using proper grammar
within a certain context? that seems absurd.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Welcome to Intellectual Property Laws in the United States.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Just read this
Commented on the same below
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was in an advertising class when Pepsi rolled out the
Jackie Chan crushing a Coke can commercial. The day after the SB the professor opened with, “Whats wrong with this commercial? The first image you see is a Coke can, but it’s a Pepsi commercial, and by then they’ve (Pepsi) already lost”
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I also like how in most Pepsi Max(?) commercials the most prominent word is ZERO
in all caps, which always reminds me of Coke Zero.
Exactly
Advertising 101, people.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Coke also comes out ahead
while getting free advertising while Pepsi is paying millions to air it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
All that
but at least Pepsi never been accused of murdering union leaders across an entire continent (South America) to keep favorable corporate working conditions intact.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I'd never heard of this before
Sounds pretty nasty
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You see this in many industries. Typically the older franchise can dominate with that wholesomeness because they aren't trying to catch anyone
I see this often because working for AT&T I pay more attention to add, AT&T is what people think of when they think of phones just like coke is what people think of when they think of cola, so AT&T advertises like Coke and Verizon like Pepsi. Deeper into the industry you see this with smartphones. Apple goes, look, iPhone! Other companies like Samsung take shots at iPhones. You used to see this in the car industry with ford/Chevy vs smaller companies but when the industry got weaker over the last decade they all got a little nasty
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and as a St. Louis and more importantly Cardinals fan
How could not not reference AB being coke and Miller being Pepsi?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 8:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
St. Louisan
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 8:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yet I just recently heard the #1 beer in the U.S. (by sales) is Coors Light.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
To some extent you see it with AB/Miller
AB is all about maintaining its image. Miller Lite commercials are trying desperately to convince you not to buy the generic light beer which looks suspiciously like Bud Light.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
nevermind that Miller tastes like ass in a can
but its less filling!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, their new angle is that it is more flavorful
Which is more “manly” apparently. It’s such a dumb way to get the message across.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
that chic has major issues
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
I liked the one with the hot chick turning into the car
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
So, Brad Penny is going to pitch for the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks next year
Has this already been discussed on VEB? And if so, did the conversation cover the ramifications of possible television commercials depicting Brad Penny as a sumo wrestler? This is important, and is tangentially relevant to today’s comment section.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I just now remembered there was a small subthread which used it as a pitchFX joke opportunity
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm guessing
VivaElIchiro is currently working on a Penny Pitch F/X post that will never be published.
Who knew VEP had a Japanese doppelganger?
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Thanks to the sporcle quiz I played this morning
I know that Fukuoka is one of the largest cities on the island of Kyushu and is located on the far north of the island. Sporcle has truly enhanced my life.
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 6, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
i was watching the new Fox show the Finder the other day, and they dropped in a FIP reference
and i about jumped out of my chair with excitement. but then i remembered i was sick & just went back to bed. like i’m going to do now
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
Off topic
I live in Indianapolis and got to party downtown for a couple of days leading up to the SuperBowl. It was freaking fantastic. Huge crowds, said that over a million people came through the “Village” through the week. So cool to see the city like that, and since there’s no open container law in Indy, brought backpacks full of beer each day and didn’t have to get robbed by the vendors. Woot!
Did anyone else get irrationally excited upon hearing the Giants run onto the field to SEASONS COME AND GO
I will forever love that song
The 7 seconds of it
that didn’t want to make you smack yourself?
You mean the postseason commercial song
That snubbed the Cardinals until after we won the division series?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure this has been posted before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptc-tinbEfQ&feature=g-hist&context=G2f15440AHTy8-JQAGAA
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Another great article from VEB
it’s getting to the point where I have to stop by every other day now to see what you guys are discussing. Had me looking up Garcia’s pitching skill stat comparables again. I wonder how many starting pitchers there are that have put up both a K/9 and a GB/FB ratio higher than him over the past two years. Would be an interesting B-Ref query to do.
Looks like the answer is none
with Ricky Romero (his closest comparable in the link above) being the closest. Amazing at how similar their numbers have been. Romero’s walk rate is a little higher though, but Romero has pitched in a much tougher league so his K/9 (at least) is probably a little more impressive.
What I find most interesting about Garcia is the swinging strike rate and GB rate combination.
Because of these two skills and the reduction in his 2011 walk rate, I think he could be an elite starter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hope you enjoyed our MIA subthread!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 6, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
There's a discussion not explored yet.
I know what we’re talking about Wednesday!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Taco trucks have become so political, man.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Can I ask a football question?
I saw a screencap of Brady after he had thrown a pass. His fingers were on the INSIDE of his wrist. Which makes me wonder if I’ve been throwing a football completely wrong for my entire life.
I found kinda-sorta video here: http://www.boston.com/sports/special/patriots/playoffs2006/brady_throw/
What the HECK is his hand doing at release? Is there some sort of opposite-spiral universe I’m not aware of?
I figure he is trying to get more spin on it
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 6, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
yeah man that wrist's dad totally stole my girl
so now i’m going to be a dick to the wrist.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
What the heck does that have to do with
pithy remarks, pregnant pauses, and potions that turn the receiver into a newt?
Yeah, but that's why I'm asking
When I throw the football with my right hand, my palm and fingers stay on the outside.
Oh wait, are you maybe saying that he’s snapping his fingers down so hard to produce spin, that they end up down below his palm, making it look it look like this? Maybe that’s it.
That's just what happens when you throw
You probably do the exact same thing without realizing it. People pronate their wrists after release when they throw any ball (except for a slider which is intentional), otherwise your elbow would slam together. See Brees or Strasburg or a cricket bowler.
Not afraid to nitpick
This is the correct answer, IMO
sdrone, there’s almost no chance your fingers actually stay the way you imagine them staying.
I remember having this realization in high school when there was a picture of me pitching in the local newspaper and my arm was pronated in a direction I didn’t even realize it could go.
I finally got switched to new-twitter just now
spontaneously, while reading about hong-chih kuo being signed. and it is exactly as ugly as advertised.
being able to embed tweets is going to make my life easier blogging-wise
but I think I prefer the sidebar behavior when you click a tweet to having all its options pop up inline.
Apropos of several recent conversations here about Dewitt's (and the other 18 owners') willingness to operate in the red (no pun intended)
For the record, I’m in favor of ownership valuing wins over operating profits (it’s not my money, after all).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 6, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions
The cubs scar the hell out of me
So many seemingly savvy moves
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/cubs-claim-adrian-cardenas.html
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2012 6:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm hearing pretty negative stuff about this acquisition
Things like, “Why DFA Blake DeWitt when he’s better than Cardenas?”
So there’s that.
So I've read multiple articles recently
where they mention in an offhand way that the NL Central is “pathetic”. I just don’t really get it. Is this division perceived as being bad? It seems to me there are at least a couple of divisions that are clearly worse.
It might have something to do with the division losing two of the game's best-hitting first basemen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 6, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
it does have the astros and the pirates...
VEL starts Tuesday
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
So, I was listening mlb radio, and in an interview with a GM (I think it was AA)
The actual GM said the actual words “wins above replacement” when talking about one of his outfielders. My mind was actually blown.
Anyone else catch this?
by mattyfrommo on Feb 6, 2012 7:57 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I'm thinking it was about a LFer
It might have been the Nationals GM
by mattyfrommo on Feb 6, 2012 9:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what is Alex Cora good at?
obviously not hitting (.287 lifetime wOBA)…
his UZR/150 is 5.5 for his career… but he is doing something weird… sometimes it spikes to very rangey levels, but sometimes he is negative UZR (obviously distortions in the metric, but still somewhat interesting). at least he is a good baserunner though, and has some speed.
VEL starts Tuesday
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 8:01 PM EST reply actions
Who do I have to nag via Twitter to get DanUp back on the FanGraphs podcast
Especially now that he has a book to promote! A real book made of pages!
(Yes, I already nagged Carson Cistulli.)
(This also assumes that DanUp wants to go back on the podcast in the first place.)
(Dat baritone.)
by mojowo11 on Feb 6, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
SIGN RICH HARDEN
…for the bullpen. And I guess rotation insurance.
Seriously, though, his velocity came back last year and his peripherals seemed pretty decent as a starter. Have to imagine that if he could amp it up a little he’d be a great reliever.
Still has that silly swing-and-miss changeup, too. And since that’s basically his only second pitch, you’d have to think it would look a lot better coming out of the pen.
Injury risk? Sure, but at this point he’s got to be basically free, right? He only made $1.5M last year, and if he’s still a free agent in January I have to think there’s no chance he’s even getting that right now. What’s the risk?
~92 MPH with the fastball last year as a starter
2.94 K/BB (9.91 K/9 (!), 3.38 BB/9)
The ERAs have been ugly the last two years, but his xFIP in 2011 was 3.68.
There seems to be such obvious upside here, I don’t understand why Harden’s still a free agent.
Completely agree
Harden’s always been one of my favorite F.A.T. type pitchers. I might actually be more inclined to sign Harden for 1 million over Oswalt for 10.
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I mean, I get why people don't like him as a starter
He only managed 5.5 innings per start last year. But as a reliever/rotation insurance, he seems like an amazing arm to pick up on the cheap.
I actually don't think it's important for all of your starters to pitch that many innings
Especially because we’d have a pretty deep bullpen. Just have Harden pitch 5 strong and let Westy go 2.
But yeah, even if he’s not a starter he’d be a good pickup.
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it's time we talked about your drinking, mojo.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i just meant we should talk about it. like maybe you have some recommendations.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i meant recommendations for me, not my kids.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well in that case
I recommend these stemless wine glasses. They say to your dinner guests that you’re not worried about being classy, but that you’re classy anyway. You’ll be the talk of the town.
but i'm not classy at all! will they see right through me?
also, if i serve said bailey’s/chocolate milk concoction: still classy?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Damnit, tom!
I can’t hold your hand forever! Take some risks! Serve some bad drinks! Sometimes it will get messy, but in the end, you’ll be drunk, AND THAT’S ALL THAT hic MATTERS
all right. back to drinking gin straight from the bottle.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
ugh, that's too sweet
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have/would.
Usually with a greater chocolate milk %.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 7, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Why would the Cardinals sign Rich Harden when they gave a roster spot and $2.5MM to McClellan.
Even without McClellan, though, there really isn’t any room in the bullpen for Harden.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think I have a little less faith in some members of our bullpen that some VEB denizens
Salas, for example, does not inspire confidence for me. That and, frankly, someone is going to get hurt or suck, and I’d rather have depth. If Rich Harden can be as good as I think he can be for something like $1M, I’m happy to leave Eduardo Sanchez in AAA until he’s needed.
I think any upgrade in the bullpen is marginal.
I think we have plenty of depth on the 40-man already. If we wait a bit longer, maybe we could give Harden a minor-league contract. Given how late in the Hot Stove we are, it seems like that might be what he gets. I’m fine with that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Okay
Asked something similar the other day, but I just want to double-check. For Valentine’s Day a Lindt sampler box would be good, right? Checked at a local grocer and they had a bunch of Rochers and like 3 Lindts.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 8:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Chocolates are usually a good idea
Flowers are always a good idea. Flowers + chocolates = even better.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Yeah this was my plan, but I wasn't sure which chocolates to get.
Hence the guidance-seeking.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd go for the sampler
If you get all of the same chocolate, it says “hey, I’m a one-dimensional jerk”
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Yeah
Especially cause I don’t really know what her favorite kind is.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Date a married woman. Then you're limited to what you can give her.
by openside on Feb 6, 2012 9:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Just want to thank you for the good link you put the other day for the Korean Baseball game.
The fans over here are most fanatical, especially the ones for the Lotte Giants. This past summer the Korean Baseball league set a record for fan attendance with just over 6 million. It’s been inching up to the 6 million mark, for the last four consecutive seasons the spectators have been over the 5 million.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
My pleasure
Would love to sometime be able to tour some of the Asian Leagues, have a feeling I and many of us would fit right in due to our shared love of baseball. Attending games must be intense, especially with all those thundersticks. Those attendance numbers are awesome.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 6, 2012 10:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you all would fit in with no problems..
6 million fans for an 8 team league.
2 stadiums seat 10,000
1 at 13,000
1 at 14,000
1 at 27,500, 2 teams use this stadium located in Seoul
1 at 27,800
1 at 28,500 Lotte Giants in Busan
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I actually picked up a back of mixed Lindt truffles for my wife
She loves them.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
they are awesome
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 7, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
really, i thought season two was good overall, christmas special is a must see btw
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm through episode 5, and have not been impressed. We'll see...
I’ll watch the last few as they’re out on PBS.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
have you seen/are you interested in Sherlock?
I’ve always liked holmes and enjoyed the modern day rehash
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, it's awesome!!
Holmes is fantastically snarky
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
i really loved it, want moar ... i think this years episodes are out this summer but i think only 3 iir
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I get it on Netflix so I've only seen the first three
I think the next three aired last month – when you say they’ll be out this summer do you mean DVD, Netflix, etc.? Apparently (and wikipedia would never steer me wrong!!) they’re doing them in batches of three, with the first three in 2010, three more last month, and three more reportedly commissioned for 2013. I’m really excited to see them.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's on netflix? streaming?
This changes things slightly. I’ve taken to watching netflix on my little tablet in bed when I can’t sleep. I’ll queue it up.
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Yeah, you can stream the first three episodes
And I’m hoping the next three will be available for streaming soon….
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 6, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
season two was originally reported as going to air in the states in may of 2012
hadn’t realized they were out on pbs already so sorry. it does look like we have to wait until next year for more episodes
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
but you can download season 2 here as a p2p torrent at thebox.bz
season 2 is airing in may apparently pbs
season 1 aired last month, not season 2
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 6, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Also, vaguely related to your Sherlock suggestion
I found out not long ago that they’re still making new Poirot episodes, although they’ve lost a number of the entertaining side characters (Hastings, Miss Lemon, Inspector Japp). They’re not as good as the older ones but still worth watching if you’ve haven’t caught them, I-Musial and a fink.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 6, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
will watch for them, thanks
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 7, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I loved season 1.
Sucked that it was only 3 episodes. I think the second season begins on PBS on April 1.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is 5 the one that aired this week, or was that 4?
I also think it’s a step down from the previous season, but I’m not giving up yet. Seems like they burned a lot of the plots they’d thought out in advance, so they’re falling more into the one-gimmick-per-episode formula. I thought they should have done more with the war. My hope is that they’ll figure it out and start seeding some longer term plot arcs.
Random book plug of the day: almost all I could think of when I was watching the end of the first season is Paul Fussel’s “The Great War and Modern Memory.” Really fascinating book if you’re interested in how the war ended the lingering 19th century society the show depicts.
Yeah, it just aired yesterday.
I agree that they need to get back to the long-term. I’d be happy if they got back to some of the things that drove the first season (including wit. Where the hell did it go?), but they’d better do it quick. I find myself caring less about certain characters developments now than I did after episode 2 or so.
That book looks very interesting. Thanks!
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I actually just ordered the first several books of "A Dance to the Music of Time"
I lack the attention span right now to pick up where I’ve left off of Proust, so I figured I’d start another giant endeavor!
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That definitely has me interested..
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's the first time in a while I read one review (article, in this case) and immediately ordered the book.
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I'm tempted to... Good gosh when I saw the link to the Kindly Ones, it
sent a shiver down my spine, thought it was the book by the same name written by Jonathan Littell, which has to be the most depressing book abot morale decay I’ve read.. But yep I think I’ll look into getting those, looks like a good long read..
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can't find the Christmas special anywhere
Any help pointing me to the Christmas special online somewhere would be most appreciated. So far, I have to say season 2 not as good as 1, but it’s not “horrible”. It’s more meh, imho.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, good.
and thanks.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I started watching it, but just couldn't get back into it
Ultimately, I realized that it is just a soap opera. Well written, well acted, and beautifully shot, but it’s still just a prototypical slow-moving, constantly melodramatic soap opera.
I'd disagree if you're characterizing the first season that way.
In fact, I’d disagree for a different reason if you’re characterizing the second season that way: it’s no longer all that well-written.
I hope it pulls itself together, though.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I liked the first season up until the point
when I realized they weren’t going to resolve any of the major story lines (hence the soap opera comparison). I only managed to get through the first half of the first episode of the second season, I just couldn’t stand how every freaking scene was clearly attempting to just imply MAJOR DRAMATIC MOMENT ahead. I haven’t bothered to watch any of it since.
IMO, you haven't missed anything.
If they had ended season 1 differently, and never made another episode, it would have had a treasured place on my shelf.
But we’ll see. For better or worse, I’ll watch the rest of this season.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The wit has taken a hit
But like the storyline allright. The characters are all growing up, and growing cynical, IMO, just as the world was during his time period. Very interested to see what they do with the youngest daughter-chauffeur storyline. I think it could be an interesting aristocrat vs. common class dichotomy
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can anyone recommend me an un-annoying, simple app for switching between multiple Twitter accounts?
My desires are very simple: I want to be logged into two Twitter accounts, and I want to view the feed for each of them separately, in a clean, attractive format. I basically want to be able to switch between two Twitter accounts by clicking a button or selecting from a drop menu. This shouldn’t be that hard.
There are like 10,000 options and I’m not excited about the possibility of clicking through them all to find something that’s not bloated and way beyond my needs. So anyone have any suggestions?
No, for the browser or desktop
Ironically enough, the default Twitter iPhone app handles this just fine.
I've tried HootSuite
Personally I think it’s pretty hideous, otherwise it might be okay. I’ll check out Silver Bird.
The one terrible game
Wasn’t there a game this year, in May or so, where Garcia came into the came with an ERA below 1 and left with an ERA above 3? He gave up 12 or so ER in 3+ innings or so. I wonder how the 2011 chart looks if we assign at least some of those runs to La Russa instead of Garcia.
Took a quick glance at his Game Log
The Colorado start
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AsOwepnwPcDYwGDyKmPMleOFCLcF?gid=310528127
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
That one was a double whammie
on the road, and at mile-high elevation. Poor Jaime didn’t stand a chance.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Well, I could look it up.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/29185/jaime-garcia
He gave up 11 ER in 3.1 IP, his ERA went from 1.93 to 3.28.
And if we give say 5 ER and 1 IP to La Russa, his ERA ends up at 3.35.
I was at that game (and the night before, when the Birds smacked around Jimenez)
That game wasn’t pretty, buy Coors Field is pretty awesome.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 6, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
in today's Bill Barnwell Grantland column about the Super Egg Bowl
he referred to Tony La Russa as “one of baseball’s worst in-game tacticians”. can this guy write about baseball? please? PLEASE??
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Sadly just because TLR makes tons of horrid in-game decisions,
he was still one of the better managers out there. Most managers are just that freaking bad.
I read that...
I completely disagree. Phone-gate and stupidly removing Motte in favor of the LOOGY against Hamilton were the only bad moves that I recall in the WS. His handling of the starters (removing them in the 3rd and 4th) was great. He’s definitely a top in game tactician. I didn’t agree with a lot of his moves, but relative to his peers he was one of the better ones…
Sign Roy O
NP.
There’s also some discussion of SNES mixed in too, if you think that’s worth going back for. A lot of it is DanUp talking about how much he loves Earthbound.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Is VEB making a abig deal about that? I assumed no one would give a shit since we're reasonable people
It’s a dick thing to do but I’m betting everyone’s kids either missed it or they already know what it means
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
who cares
i don’t actually want to discuss it, i just wanted to verify the absurdity of people talking about something so trivial as such length
Right, it seems pointless to me.
But hey, MIA went from C-list popstar to the main topic in less than a day.
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
She gave the camera the finger in Madonna's halftime show
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
VEB
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I remember kids used to flick each other off in rural western illinois when I was about 6 years old
VEL starts Tuesday
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
however for doing it on tv there may be a fine involved
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
so in summary, i have no idea what your opinion is regarding the vehicle i posted
but some other kind of car is great
by prophetjohn on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well, the speed3 is a performance enhanced mazda3, that also happens to have 4 doors
i know nothing about the mazda3, but have some vague knowledge of the speed3 being a good car. because its built on the same frame, i can vaguely infer that perhaps the 3 is a good car- but knowing virtually nothing about automobiles as a whole, perhaps that’s entirely due to the vagaries of the differing parts.
in summary, i just like to waste time talking on the internet and enjoy watching what happens when i post nonsense
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Does the MazdaSpeed3 come in a sedan?
I thought it only came in a hatchback (5-door).
And yes, good car. I know several folks with Mazda 3’s (mostly they all have 5-door ones).
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
the new one's a 4-door if i understand right
i know the old one was a hatchback
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
looks sporty and roomy, yet practical
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
it looks like it smells nice
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's a 4-door
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I try hard to be “that guy”. You know, Captain Obvious, Mr. No-Help-At-All. Is it working? ’Cause, I know absolutely nothing about this car, but I like to comment on everything snarkily, to up my number of comments.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
protip: make lots of typing errors and then correct them
then you’re average 1.5 comments per comment
You mean
it’s the new market inefficiency?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
being deliberately much less intelligent is in fact the new market inefficiency.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
don't you mean the new moneyball?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
But Nate Silver already said the new Moneyball is Asian point guards from Harvard...
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
The denial before the storm.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
We can only hope.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
really dumb
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
SIGN CHAD GUADIN
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Why the eff not, jerk?
If he signs with the Reds, and the Cards finish 2nd to them (in part due to Cardinals’ pitching injuries), I’m going to be pissed. Even more so if they are the top WC team, but then lose in that 1-game playoff thing. And where’s the guy that said the deal was done? I hate him.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I wish it had been JCC, just so that I never would have believed any of this Oswalt stuff anyway.
I need spring training to start or for Mass Effect 3 to be released tomorrow, but I doubt either will happen. sigh.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have to wait until I get back from Study abroad in July to play ME3
I am not happy about this
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
That sucks. I assume you don't play on your PC then?
And that you left your game station back home.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
that would be mr. gordon edes
espn boston dude. tweets “oswalt headed to stl” than comes out with an article 20 mins later basically saying the cardinals are the favorites. slight difference there gordon
Damn you Gordon Edes!!!!!
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 7, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
He's playing this perfectly
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe Mo has no intention of signing Roy at his current asking price
Mo also knows that no other team has this intention either. He’ll wait until the price drops, and pounce
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2012 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why does buster olney still have a job?
•Ryan Madson, Hiroki Kuroda and Reed Johnson are among the best under-the-radar signings of the winter, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes.
i don’t buy ryan madson, because i think an $8m reliever is still likely an overpay (i.e., the reds probably would’ve already signed oswalt at this point, had they not signed him). but lots of people would make that case, and it’s hard to argue that there’s not something to be proud of in landing him for far less than other closers commanded. so that’s a fair difference of opinion.
kuroda seems very solid as a signing.
but, reed johnson? he’s been worth less than 3 WAR total over the last 5 years. unless he went on a minor-league deal (he didn’t – he got $1.15m), he’s pretty much a replacement, to a tad above replacement value outfielder.
he’s like skip schumaker hitting right handed. with slightly more power. and olney just seems to make a pronouncement like this every other week.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Olney claimed Theriot would be a power upgrade over Wilson Valdez two weeks ago
We all know he’s a moran
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not an Insider anymore but I remember Olney's daily column being decent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
fwiw
for some reason Johnson seems to play better on the Cubs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
he plays well in the seasons where he has a .360 BABIP or better.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
he had one season with a .327 wOBA and a .281 BABIP for the Cubs
which is more an outlier for him… he usually hovers around .330 BABIP, if not higher. granted, Olney is definitely overrating him, in that he is probably just looking at what he did last season, which he won’t do ever again. if the Cubs play him mostly at Wrigley it should mask his defensive shortcomings a bit, and he seems to hit well there. not a bad signing for them.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
also
doesn’t the lack of elite relievers on the market drive up their price? sort of a rare commodity?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
that said
the Madsen signing was hardly “under the radar” imo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah
Probably my favorite movie ever. Watch Mean Streets next.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they're pretty close
I love the way Mean Streets is structured – it’s a pretty light movie for the most of it and the main characters are just a bunch of idiots, but then it turns swiftly tragic at the end.
But I think I’d take Taxi Driver because it’s so point of view. The shot of the fizzling water glass is such a potent image.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
That stuck out to me but I must have missed the significance
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think it relates to the theme of the purifying quality of water
which travis mentioned a lot in the beginning. seeing the alka selzer bubble and scorch the water is a really scary thought for him because it shows that water can be dirtied as well, and really that nothing is pure. at least that’s what I thought.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
PURITY OF ESSENCE
PEACE ON EARTH
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Taxi Driver kind of reminds me of "Polly" by Nirvana
“let me clip your dirty wings”. I love that so much.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think I love the feeling of Mean Streets more than anything. It's so young and messy and vibrant.
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Yeah
My favorite scene is when they are fighting in the pool hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtAl0bXSmzI&feature=player_embedded
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm positive the ending was just some dying fantasy dream of Travis'
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
that was what I thought as well
Here is what scorsese said about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_Driver#Interpretations_of_the_ending
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Even if I accepted Iris miraculously going back to her family
Am I supposed to believe that Betsy just got in the back of his taxi to apologize? The whole final scene plays exactly like a fantasy, especially him just driving off. And that’s without getting into the whole triple homicide thing. It just has to be a dream.
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
But I don’t think it matters either way. Even in his fantasy he’s still alien.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
ever since i saw that movie, i've been trying to think of a good way to impress jodie foster.
can’t come up with a damn thing.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Did you try shooting Reagan?
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Is there an Asian baseball team with a logo similar to the A's?
I saw the sweetest black cap today
by mattyfrommo on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
wow. these are fascinating stats, beej.
Writing about Mitchell Boggs for tomorrow. He only appeared in four wins after July 25 last year. Team was 4-13 in his last 17 outings.
Wow Cardinals were actually 13-28 in the 41 games Mitchell Boggs appeared in following his blown save in Houston on April 26..More tomorrow.
can’t wait to find out more about arbitrary dates and apparently meaningless game outcome trends!
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Wait, are you saying that we lost most of the games we pitched a guy we used mostly in mop-up situations?
CRAZZZZY!
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Yeah, I was going to ask
whether he was making a point about Boggs’ usage or performance. Then I decided I didn’t care.
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by The Continental on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
anyone want to see a funny gif?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 PM EST reply actions
fun for the whole family
well, if you are not there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
it's new to me
and it is funny
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
that is one crazy dog!
kinda wish there was a better video of it, because it seems like quite a rare occurrence!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Verducci...
I caught this nugget on the SI website:
Life for the Cardinals without first baseman Albert Pujols, manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan — three of the best in the business at what they do — already has begun. Outfielder Matt Holliday, described by teammate David Freese as “a man on a mission,” is stepping to the fore.
Holliday recently invited several top Cardinals hitting prospects to St. Louis. The outfielder put them up at a hotel, took them to a Blues hockey game, brought them through his daily training and hitting sessions and gave counsel on how to improve as a professional ballplayer.
Holliday is a five-time All-Star, four-time Silver Slugger winner, a lifetime .315 hitter, a former batting champion and one of the strongest hitters in baseball, yet somehow has not acquired the reputation of a full-blown franchise player. Without Pujols, and with the reserved Carlos Beltran as the big addition, this could be his time and his opportunity.
Catcher Yadier Molina is an important part of this team and clubhouse because of how he helps run the pitching staff, but Holliday is likely to assume a bigger role with Pujols gone. It appears already that Holliday, 32, welcomes it.
by JWO on Feb 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
for some reason this makes me want to do lineup construction (and my best guess at their OBP)
1. Jay (.345)
2. Beltran (.373)
3. Freese (.353)
4. Holliday (.388)
5. Lance Berkman (.398)
6. Furcal (.335)
7. Yadier Molina (.345)
8. Tyler Greene (.348)
9. P
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
or maybe switch Greene and Jay
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Greene manages that OBP
Than he should definitely leadoff. He’s too good a baserunner to leave him 8th.
that's what I was thinking
Bill James has him much lower than that, but rotochamp and fans like him more
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
fwiw
Rotochamp, which is a lot better than Bill James, has him at a .356 projection. while James has him at .321. he really is an unproven player… not sure what to expect.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
In 2011
He had 11 SB. He was caught stealing zero times. In fact, he has NEVER been caught stealing in the majors (admittedly SSS). If he can get on base a bit, I’d like to put that to the test.
he definitely should be given the chance to lead off
I put Jay up there because of his speed, since I’m sort of a traditionalist when it comes to leadoff hitters. I want the speedy guy up there (as long as he doesn’t have a horrible obp). Greene is probably by far the fastest player on the team, and we all know he should be great at SB. I just hope he doesn’t get gunshy because he’s the first batter.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
If his OBP is good the he's a phenomenal leadoff hitter
If its not, he’s an infield Juan Pierre
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
this makes me wonder, is he one of the guys that Holliday is training?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Greene walks a fair amount
It’s his hitting that would keep his OBP down. He’s not like Pierre that rarely walks.
True, I was looking at OBP without breaking it down
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 7, 2012 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and maybe switch Berk and Freese
Freese can “protect” Holliday now that he is a hero
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's too busy counting his money to be a good leader
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
A good leader would get the other guys
to count his money for him.
Delegate!
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by The Continental on Feb 6, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Put my MLB WS DVD in, checked out the bonus features
Just heard the British call and the call in Spanish for Freese’s walk off HR in game 6. It was awesome
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
does anyone think the Reds will actually sign Oswalt?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions
I almost want to sign him just so the Reds don't get him
open de wallet!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
You mean because, according to Gordon Edes, he's a former Cardinal?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 7, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
that's it! We sign him, and then immediately turn him + kmac over for brandon phillips!
that way, he’ll be a former cardinal as well!
by hr on Feb 7, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Walt would trade some prospects to get him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why does Garcia give up so many unearned runs?
23% of his total runs allowed in the last two years—-38 out of 164—-have been unearned, which matches the impression I had before I just now looked it up.
Seems like the guy has a terrible time closing out an inning when the defense gives the other guys an extra out.
That rate is more than 50% higher than that of any other regular starter over the past two years (next highest, both in % and total UER is Tim Wakefield at 15.3%, 31 out of 202 runs allowed).
Seems like a huge key to success going forward would be bearing down and getting out of those messy situations.
last year his BABIP against was .318 so his LOB% went up
the year before, it was .292. I’d say this year you could probably expect a LOB% of 71%
let’s not forget the guy is young, and will likely get mentally tougher as time goes on. fwiw, in high leverage situations last season, batters put up only a .239BA
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions

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