Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson Neither Cardinal Nor Ranger Friday Morning (Thread)
by DanUpBaby on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST
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A glut of work in my other life as Earnest MFA Student means I don't have anything interesting to report today, but in my defense neither have the Cardinals, so far—Roy Oswalt remains steadfastly unsigned and apparently displeased with the Cardinals' offer, although the Rangers, who apparently didn't want to start Oswalt in the first place, are supposedly out of the running.
I know the Rangers are rich and successful for the first time ever, but were they really chasing down a Hall of Very Good starter a year removed from a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 3.51 for the purposes of giving the rest of their admittedly strong rotation an extra night off every so often? That's just greed, the kind of greed that could be mitigated by, say, trading for Jake Westbrook, taking on all his salary, and using him as your swingman instead.
As for Edwin Jackson's signing, $10 million is good money on a one-year deal—just ask bereft, rapidly aging swingman Roy Oswalt—but it's right of the edge of where turning down three years, $30 million, as he reportedly did, makes sense. The longer he pitches on one-year deals, the more he risks exposing himself as someone who is excruciatingly tedious to watch.
Mainly, of course, I'm just in it for the draft pick.
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Neither a Cardinal or Ranger Be
For Ranger oft loses both itself and friend,
And Cardinal dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine own self be true
(I don’t know)
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 3, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
And it must follow, as the night game the day game,
Thou canst not then be Astro to any man.
Farewell. My blessing World Series season this in thee!
Polonius, Act 1, Scene iii, Hamlet
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Fight the good fight buddy.
Best of luck to Danno.
by openside on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Please give us some sort of warning about Dan Caesar's voodoo stare in the future.
I think may now be soulless.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good to hear, I like Dan as an announcer
those Rick and Al combo games are just brutal.
Also, I love the fact that Dan Caesar updated his photo from “serial killer” to “pedophile”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
haha
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I actually like horton
There was a game that Joe West was calling and he made a bad call and then started yelling at larussa for bitching about the call. horton was like “Heeey….ladi da….I’m Joe West and I like to be on tv….ladi dadi da” Ever since then I liked him simply because of my hatred for West.
I like Horton too
I would prefer to see Dan and Rick more than Dan and Al. But Al and Rick is awful and is worse than the sum of its parts.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Paul Bearer
I expect The Undertaker to make an appearance anytime now..
by CardinalFan4Ever on Feb 3, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Judging by the two comments above this nobody noticed my Urn reference above, huh.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I almost cried!
Don’t you people know how important VEB is for my self worth?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I noticed it.
I was trying to think of an Undertaker wig joke to make but I couldn’t come up with anything good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Does Caesar have
any other gigs besides writing about media in STL? I hope so for his sanity’s sake.
Hasn’t he been doing that for like 20 years? Can you imagine writing articles about the changing lineup at KMOX for that long?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I have very selfish reasons to be happy about this...
But mostly I’m happy for Dan. He’s a helluva nice guy.
by RollBirdsRoll on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'm glad
We can fault Dan all we want, but the fact is, he’s not a bad broadcaster. Those last games with Rick and Al were downright brutal.
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
this.
so many boneheaded saint louisans just can’t wait to criticize his work only to realize that al and ricky suck about 100 times more than dan ever will. there’s a reason dan gets national assignments for ESPN.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but he is a bad broadcaster
There was a study that counted how much a broadcaster spoke during a broadcast – the only person that talked more than Dan was a guy that called games by himself.
He just needs to shut the hell up, stop blathering about nonsense all the time.
FYI - Some might think it shows a want of respect to one of the greatest sportscasters to refer to vin scully as merely "a guy."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
There's no way he lost 75 pounds in 4 months, that has to be a typo
That would be a >2000 calorie deficit per day. Unless he’s been eating about a banana a day and/or running 20 miles every day…
Not afraid to nitpick
If the dude werre a true alchoholic,
he could have been throwing back 10 beers a day, easy. That’s 1200 calories right there if they were light beer, and 2000 if they were heavy.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Well, it is possible
we watched this in October, and tried it for awhile from November to December. I wasn’t as motivated as this guy, only wanted to lose 40. Lost 15 in the first month, but then the holidays came around, and I gained back 5. We started back on it last week, but taking it slowly.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I lost 30 pounds in 2 months.
I imagine a man would have an easier job of achieving those numbers.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Was that while breast-feeding?
Cause guys don’t have that option… usually.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
No. Working out 3-4x week.
Eating healthier. But we don’t know that Dan hasn’t worked out or changed his eating habits.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 4:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
aw. okay.
i didn’t click “up” so i didn’t see what comment you were responding to. but yes, i’d imagine it’s not super difficult to lose 75 pounds in four months.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Especially when he had so much to lose!
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
If his turn-around is as dramatic as his quotes are making it seem, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just all around healthier.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Who cares about any of the STL TV announcers; Viva el Shannon et Rooney.
When feasible, I put Shannon and Rooney on and put the TV on mute (although damn modern technology for the delayed video feed)
Dan is definitely the lesser of 3 evils but he just doesn’t get excited about plays. It kills me.
Rick is such a homer it’s an embarrassment.
And then there’s Al. I guess he could be okay as long as he doesn’t speak for more than 5 consecutive seconds.
You can fix the different time delays with more modern technology.
There’s a switch you can buy that allows you to sync up the feeds.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the tip
I should clarify that I watch most of my games on mlb.tv anyway ( I guess I posted that more for the masses). It’s strange b/c last year, sometimes mlb.tv would offer the radio audio and sometimes they wouldn’t. If not I would just listen to it via the mlb app on my phone. Although when the Cards play away, it is nice to listen to the away announcers sometimes (as long as they’re not huge homers either).
I honestly can't find any announcers
that don’t drive me crazy. Some of the worst have been the White Sox, Reds, Padres, Rays and Giants
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I do like Scully
I like how even keeled he is
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Scully is always a treat.
Keith Hernandez isn’t too bad for the NYM. Although last time I watched the Cards at Mets, Keith bought a hot dog on air and proceeded to eat it while he announced the game. The lack of professionalism was pretty funny at least.
Ya... I live in the bay and they are pretty hard to take after a while
Kuiper just screams all the time and Krukow is a massive homer and total idiot. Plus Giants fans basically take anything they say as gospel…
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bummer, I just moved to the South Bay.
Although, I am stoked to check out 2 new stadiums this year. And hopefully 2 more if I can make an LA trip.
Maybe the main thing I hate
is that the Giants are maybe the most gimmicky franchise in baseball. Every month it seems like there is some new, lame catch phrase or other and most of it stems from the guys in the booth. It’s not gonna bother everyone, especially if you don’t live in the bay and don’t get it shoved in your face constantly.
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
The A's stadium is not great
but they are supposed to have some pretty awesome deals this year. Pretty affordable way to enjoy a game. I just wish the Cards went to Oakland more often.
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya
I checked the cards schedule for this as soon as I moved out here.
I’m in San Jose so I would actually love it if they got the go ahead to build a stadium in South Bay.
Me too
I really hope it works out… the South Bay will be a lot more interesting with both the A’s and the Niners moving down here.
How you liking the Bay? Not a bad place to end up IMO.
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
hm, i've always enjoyed the Giants crew
i’ve appreciate some homerism and positivity in the booth. it’s really my only complaint with Dan Mac, who gets absolutely sullen when the Cards play poorly.
Haha ya
Krukow is especially bad about this… he just stops talking for like minutes at a time
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
the "SEE YA" home run call annoys me a bit,
but other than that the yankees guys are pretty good.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
and the reds are THE WORST
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
not a fan of them at all.
neither do i like the brewers guys. but i wonder how much of that is just because the division has been competitive with those two teams the last few years.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i was going to say the brewers as well.
then i realized that i thought anderson did a decent job in the NLCS and i probably only hated them because they were always rooting for the brewers, which is kind of their job.
but i really can’t stand the reds team. i kind of find brennaman okay when he’s doing stuff for FOX nationally, but him with whatever color guy they have now (it was brantley in 2010, don’t know if he’s been replaced) just drive me up a wall.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
LIFT AND SEPARATE!
But ya… besides that call I thought he did ok in the nlcs all things considered. It would be pretty tough to just have to stop visibly rooting for your team when you’ve been doing it all season.
The Reds guys are just amazingly bad.
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
So we'll have a continued lack of accountability.
Great.
The guy got multiple DUIs despite claiming it would never happen again. Fool me twice, shame on me. This isn’t a case of someone doing something stupid in their youth. This is a grown man repeatedly making the same mistake and trying to use his local celebrity to get out of repercussions (he tried to convince the officer not to give him a ticket because of who he is).
You know that this has happened far more frequently than the number of DUIs he got. I don’t really get the conciliatory remarks on this site. He peed himself one time — that’s a remarkable level of inebriation. He wasn’t just a little drunk; he was incontinent. I think he should have been fired. How many chances does he get before he hurts someone?
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And how does his drinking
affect his job? It hasn’t to anyone’s knowledge.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Part of his job is his public image.
And, if you don’t think this is the case, then you have the burden of arguing that FSM shouldn’t have suspended him in the first place.
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I honestly don't think they should...
unless it affects his performance. If he’s drunk on the job or loses his license and cannot secure transportation to work. Or gets thrown in prison. He’s being punished by the law already. His boss should then deprive him of his means to make a living? He’s a good announcer. He has/had a drinking issue. He will pay his debt to society and move on.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
How exactly has he paid his debt to society?
You seem very cavalier about DUIs in your comments.
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For his past DUIs, I'd assume he has served whatever jail time was sentenced, lost his license, and paid any fines.
For his most recent DUI, I’d assume the same unless he waived his right to speedy trial.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well, now we are crossing into a dangerous political zone
of sentencing for the common man versus celebrity (local or otherwise).
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Are you this outraged about David Freese?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 3, 2012 4:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think the David Freese and Dan McLaughlin scenarios
are entirely analogous.
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How is that?
Or the Spezio situation? Or the LaRussa situation?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Right. Because I've never expressed outrage
over the LaRussa DUI.
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OK.
I just think it’s very hard for you, as an automated being, to understand the vagueries of the human psyche.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
It's very hard for me to listen to people not follow through on their word.
Dan McLaughlin said it wouldn’t happen again. It did.
FSM said it shouldn’t happen again. It did.
This kind of hypocrisy, followed by some internet cheerleading, annoys me.
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Hey, if he was told by FSM
they would fire him if caught again, then he should be fired. Thats part of a verbal contract between the two.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Or Shelby Miller
getting drunk underage and getting in a fistfight?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
A 20 year old having a drunken fight
is the same as a 30+ man driving so drunk he can’t hold his bladder down major roadways. Get some perspective.
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In general
I think that VEB could do with a little more outrage on this topic rather than the inane supportive comments that McLaughlin is getting throughout.
I’ll even concede my entire “should/shouldn’t” argument on FSM if people are willing to acknowledge that Dan McLaughlin fucking did something wrong. The rah-rah support is really perplexing.
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I hate drunk driving.
I think it’s a selfish, despicable act.
I also think that if Dan is that committed to getting better and being sober then it’s difficult to be angry at this point. Hopefully he continues to stay sober.
Dan used to be involved with a local charity that I love. The founder is a former teacher of mine and a
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
GAH
And a family friend. He’s a good guy who fucked big time. Hopefully he gets it straight.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hope so too.
I hoped he had it straight the last time (for his sake though, not because “I like him as an announcer”). I just wonder where the line is on this kind of thing … for me it’s clearly in a different spot than other people.
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Can you explain why Freese and McLaughlin dissimilar?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The age thing is a pretty significant factor for me.
Also, and I’m in dangerous memory territory here, the BAL for McLaughlin was like “kill a horse” level while Freese was closer to “stupid drunk” level.
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I think Freese was past the age of youthful indiscretion.
I think 22 is the cutoff there for me. Everyone certainly knows better by then. Most know better in grade school.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thank you for an idea for my Sunday article though.
My brain works in strange ways but this conversation led me to an interesting thought.
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I look forward to reading it.
And then disjointedly commenting on it.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am having difficulty with the Android app.
It’s crashed twice while I was typing.
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm having trouble with VEB on a comp
so I don’t think it’s just the app, FWIW.
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What's up with SBN?
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by spants on Feb 3, 2012 5:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am with you 100% AZ
What he did was despicible and reprehensible. I will not argue that with you for one second.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
From my first comment
I don’t really get the conciliatory remarks on this site.
Nice try though.
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I'm willing to ignore the culpability argument.
It’s not even really my goal to convince anyone (except for Eckstreem who is making some patently absurd arguments). I’m just genuinely perplexed over all the rah-rah comments above. There doesn’t seem to be any acknowledgment that Dan was so very clearly in the wrong.
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Patently absurd?
Really?
So because I believe his level of punishment should not involve his employer, I’m making patently absurd arguments?! I believe what he did was wrong. Very very wrong. But should his employer fire him for it? Should his wife divorce him? Should his kids disown him? Should his friends cease speaking to him? Those are all decisions to be made by the people involved. You and I differ on the extent this conviction should affect his personal life and his work life.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
i don't think the legal penalties for DUIs are stringent enough,
but i don’t think dan is getting special treatment here.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Now that part I'll agree with...
but I don’t see how it’s the job of the Cardinals to right the wrongs of the U.S. justice system.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Society defines its debts.
If we don’t like them, we are free to act so that they are more burdensome. It seems that the people of Missouri, through their democratically-elected representatives, have defined the debt for one DUI, two DUI’s, and three DUI’s. McLaughlin has paid those debts as defined by the law.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
this is a poor argument.
if, for example, he hit and killed someone driving while he was driving drunk, his drinking still wouldn’t “affect his job” but he would and should be fired.
personal behavior off company time is important. he endangered the lives of himself and others because of his misuse of alcohol.
that said, i’m all for forgiveness and second chances, and i’m not angered by letting him stay on as azru seems to be. cutting off an addict’s support system isn’t really a good way to foster good behavior. firing him doesn’t really have any positive affect on his life. not that correcting dan’s personal failures is in fsnmw’s business interests, but it seems keeping him on is the right thing to do under the circumstances.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
well if firing him causes more drinking
and that seems pretty likely, it’s safer to the general public to not fire him. And that’s the entire argument people can make against drunk driving.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
this is where i have concern for the team in general
the cards have a bad track record with DUIs. danny mac, freese, TLR, and hancock – and mac & freese twice each. at what point will the team step in and say enough is enough?
i don’t agree with the decision to keep dan as an announcer because of that… but i’m just one person.
So by that theory, you think Freese should be fired too?
Plus the team wouldn’t step in to fire Dan. That is up to FSMW.
From the article
The call was FSM’s, but [FSM] works closely with the team on major issues.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Two thoughts
1) If the NLRB recently ruled that you can’t fire anyone for comments that they make about their employer on facebook under any practical circumstances, what makes you think that this would be any different, particularly since this could very easily be characterized as either a sickness or a disability?
2) He’s a good announcer. People make mistakes, and sometimes several of them.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea
how #1 pertains to anything.
w/r/t #2 I don’t think he’s a good announcer but more importantly, this FSM parade of contrition seems like an act from both FSM and McLaughlin to me. He was publicly busted for a DUI, said it wouldn’t happen again, it did happen again … and no repercussions.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions on the should/shouldn’t issue of his FSM non-firing but I don’t see any accountability for actions from either FSM or McLaughlin.
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what number 1 is saying, with a poor comparison,
is if alcohol dependency is treated as a disability, it isn’t easy to fire someone simply based on alcohol consumption. i think that’s what it’s saying, anyway.
IHB commented on this phenomena on veb a while back.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Alcoholism is treated as a disability under the ADA.
But, an employee can be discharged if his or her alcohol consumption negatively affects job performance or employee conduct. Where SSCF is way off is in his categorization of the NLRB’s holding regarding social media and concerted activity under the NLRA. That in no way applies to the current situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I never intended to categorize the NLRB's recent holding. . .
as applicable to this situation (although, to be fair, I can see how my comment could be construed that way).
That ruling does show, however, a very, very pro-employee (and anti-employer) bias at the highest levels of our federal government.
The first sentence of your post is the money quote, IMHO, and likely explains a lot.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Making proclamations about any perceived government biases on this site is clearly against the guidelines.
It violates the no politics rule.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
OK
I would have thought that making pro or con statements about said biases (which I did not do) would have crossed the line, and that merely commenting that said biases exist would have been OK, but I am generally a fan of the ‘no politics’ rule so:
UNCLE!
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
CALF ROPE!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Would you be happy
if 1) he was fired from FSM and then hired by some other company to be a baseball announcer? Or do you want him out of the business entirely?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
FSM could very well have been advised that it would be. . .
legally risky to fire Danny Mac. That’s all.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. I have no idea if they were advised that or not.
And that speaks to the larger legal structure for things like this.
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no. not a chance. this was not in any way, shape, or form a legally motivated
decision. They retained him because despite his off-the-field idiocy, he’s good at his job.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
who cares?
we’re not looking for a bus driver. we’re looking for someone to talk during baseball games. so far, the number of DUIs he has accumulated have not affected the quality of his talking during baseball games. once it does start to negatively affect said quality, i’ll be all for holding him accountable by taking his job since the two have become related
omg
for once, I think I might be in agreement with pj. Hold on, has the world ended…..hmm, white stuff floating down, cold as hell….yep, it’s the end of the world as we know it!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
you're implying that relapsing once (two DUI's)
implies that he can’t control it and he’s a child. You said “repeated”. That’s a lame argument. Twice isn’t repeated, it’s just twice. that’s like saying Texas repeatedly lost the world series to worser teams.
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I implied none of those things.
Twice is repeated. Texas did repeatedly lose the world series.
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Anyone else think Oswalt is going to pull a Clemens?
Just sit on the sidelines and wait for someone’s number two starter to go down, and make the same 5—6MM for 4 months of work that he would for 6 months?
Given his possibly gimpy back it seems like he gets (almost) more valuable the shorter season is expected from him.
Granted, he may not end up in St. Louis or Texas in this scenario, but for 3.5-4 months would it matter as much?
Also, Releasing Chris Carpenter would be a good name for a movie about transactions. It would sound like an arthouse flick, and that way you could con your significant other into seeing it. Surprise! The protagonist is Dave Duncan, and he spits a lot.
by fightin'_eyerash on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions
I'm not sure he'll do that over an extra couple million
Especially because he’d be taking a risk by sitting out half a season. Clemens was a first ballot HOF of famer, Oswalt is still squarely in the Hall of Very Good.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
"HOF of famer"
From the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think this will happen, but it is an interesting theory
Wouldn’t the pitcher and the team rather have a quality arm (yet injury prone) for the latter half of the year + playoffs. Of course this rests on a completely immeasurable circumstance that the pitcher will labor after X amount of months.
unless it's the cardinals' or rangers' #2 starter that goes down, he will have the same problem he has now
his problem isn’t getting $10MM offers. it’s getting them from the right team
if oswalt was going to be a cardinal, the deal would be done already
i highly doubt that it will happen. i still hope it will, though.
zoomzoom has weighed in with the pessimism...
I have no doubt Oswalt will be Cardinal now.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I disagree
Not that I think he WILL be a Cardinal but he is not getting the RESPECT he has been looking for in the exact situation he wants. As Spring Training gets closer, his demands for one of the two will come down.
If he is asking $10M, Cards offering $5M and both agree to $7.5 in February both look like good guy.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
John Morosi tweeted the following re Cardinals-Oswalt:
#STLCards discussed deals with Oswalt in $7.5M range. Roy wants $10M. Hence desire to move McClellan. He makes – you guessed it – $2.5M.
If this is true, it would seem the Cardinals have already attempted to meet in the middle between their reported initial offer of $5MM and Oswalt’s reported desire to be paid $10MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah that sucks
But the only other suitor is Boston. Even if they offer an extra 2.5 million, will that be enough to make Oswalt want to move there?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
But as suitors drop out, the mid point becomes attractive.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I agree with both of your points.
I was just pointing out that the Cardinals have reportedly already increased their initial offer. As the reporting date for pitchers and catcher approaches and suitors (like the Rangers) drop out, I think it becomes more likely he signs with St. Louis for something closer to $7.5MM than $10MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm not for paying him 10m
i’m sure jmo will take that into account and hold firm
TLR is gone, long live the king
I know
that the sentiment on this site is not pro-McClellan, whereas I am more of an apologist; to me he did perform well pre-2011. That aside, and I may have missed a lot of discussion on the subject, I am now asking myself, why did we ever sign him for $2.5m, if we knew that we had a surfeit of RH bullpen arms? If we had not settled, we would have had an extra $2.5m to use. I can’t get the reasoning at all.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I posted this a week ago...
I wrote that Strauss was misinformed when he said the Cards only offered $5 mil. Oswalt turned down $10 mil from Detroit because he thinks the Cards can dupe it and he likes St Louis better. He was never coming here for “$5 million.” He will end up signing here, but it requires Oswalt to take a $1 million hit and for us to do something about our brain fart in signing little mack for $2.5 million. In fairness to Mo, he never thought he would get close to signing Oswalt.
I'm starting to feel this way
The longer this drags out, the more I wonder how hard exactly we’re going after Oswalt vs. how much we’re just posturing to “light a fire” under some of our current staff (Westbrook).
completely disagree.
oswalt now has lost leverage, and i think mo might be waiting for him to lose even more leverage. mo is doing this the right way (so far).
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm unconvinced by this argument.
This isn’t the Holliday or Pujols contract we’re negotiating. It’s a 1 year deal that won’t be more than $10 million tops. How much can the Cards hope to save by playing hardball? $2-3 million?
I would expect the marginal win(s) gained by signing him are worth far more than that and aren’t worth gambling on leveraged negotiations. I’d rather over pay a couple mill than risk having some other team swoop in at the last second.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Inflation
New Era Caps when I was a kid: $18.99
New Era Caps from mlb.com now: $35.99
I really want to get another WS cap and the throwback blue/red bill cap but I can’t imagine spending $70 on 2 baseball caps. Good grief.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I might look into an American Needle throwback cap. I love them and there's no New Era or MLB logo on it.
I also believe they cost around $25.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I bought an American Needle hat
10 or so years ago. I wasn’t that impressed with the quality. Being a throwback, I think it was more wool than synthetic and made my head itch like crazy.
The new era one just has the mlb logo which is inaccurate but doesn’t bother me since the uni was actually worn on field last year.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bought a new American Needle cap last year and haven't noticed that it makes my head itch.
I’ve only had it for 10 months or so, so I can’t speak to its long-term durability.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
mlb.com is always way overpriced though
are the hats not available and cheaper elsewhere on the internet?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
The World Series caps are difficult to find at a low price.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So are you a "pop" or a "soda" kinda guy? Or maybe a "soda pop" independent type?
Also, isn’t “baseball cap” the more traditional/original designation?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
A baseball cap is just a specific type of hat.
Both are correct.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with this
Which is why Fritz can’t complain. I defy you, Fritz. Send time-traveling Juan Encarnacion after me if you will, at least I will have stuck to my principles.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Evan Longoria told me, "hey, that's not my cap!"
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
so, why is it my "THE HAT"?
I mean, I wasn’t the only one questing for the holy grail. I was just the first to find it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I've never heard anyone say "Hey, pal, nice cap!"
though I may now start.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
What hipsters are you hanging out with
That say “Hey pal, nice hat!”
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ironically?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer saying
“Capital lid, old man!”
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I say "Hey, pal, nice cap!" all the time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is it a bowler or a baseball CAP?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because there's a difference!!!!
Caps have a bill only in the front. Hats have a brim that goes all the way around.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Fastball Fanatics
has them a little cheaper ($31.95)
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
hats, caps, and jerseys
haven’t been able to visit here lately, too much work. Last time, more than a month ago, everyone was talking about different Cards jerseys that they had. I wanted to chime in, but too busy. So belatedly, and a propos of pricing of goods, when I was in Philippines in the 90s, my slowpitch team mate was an embasy guard from E. St. Louis, an ardent Cards fan like us all. He used to go up to Angeles and take pictures of old Cards jerseys to tailors there and get great replica jerseys. He introduced me and I have an old Gas House gang jersey, a grey one from the 70s I guess, and so on. On my one time pilgrimage to Busch in 2009 to see the Cards, I wore them, and got a lot of appreciation from fellow fans. The point is, there are alternatives to overpriced merchandise.,
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
WS caps were $10 at Champs
they were way overstocked.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
In the greater St. Louis area, I assume?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They had hundreds of the black world series hat
and a dozen or so of the regular hat with the world series logo on it. If anyone is seriously interested, I may be willing to work out something to pick some of them up if they still have them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't know if I have a lids membership still, I'll have to check,
but it’s good for 5 or 10% off and free shipping, I believe. But you’re correct, what they want for a 59-50 these days is highway robbery.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Dillards at St. Clair Square had an insane clearance going a couple of weeks ago.
My mom got a red 59/50 WS home hat for $12, and a black/white 39/30 World Series Champions stretchfit for $7. Also one of the black and white Champions tshirts for $6. Unfortunately, they were out of 7 1/4, so I didn’t get a 59/50.
Also check lids.com. My wife got a few things on clearance from there.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
ordered my WS hat a couple weeks ago
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
uggh, dumb phone...
Ordered my WS hat a couple weeks ago from Amazon for $18… also got the 8 disc 2011 World Series dvd set for $30…
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dang. I must've missed that sale.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
not to worry
Amazon still selling the 8 disc WS set for $32.99. http://www.amazon.com/World-Collectors-Major-League-Baseball/dp/B005CXOGAU
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What all is included on the 8 discs?
I’m going to buy it anyway, but I find the description lacking. Every World Series game is expected. ’Key" postseason games. How many and which ones? Also, it says “interviews.” With which Cardinals?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
discs 1-7 are the full games
And they also have the option of using the synced local STL radio broadcast or the Texas radio broadcast instead of the fox announcers… disc 8 is a bonus disc, showing highlights from the postseason, no full games, some locker room celebrations after each series end, some parade footage, and some walkoff winning hits from throughout the regular season… very much worth it though for $33 in my eyes, just for the full WS games
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
$14 for all the games on itunes
if you’re into that sort of thing:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/2011-world-series-game-6-rangers/id468797536?i=476931022&v0=WWW-NAUS-ITSTOP100-TV&ign-mpt=uo%3D2
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
The option of listening to the radio broadcast instead of Buck and McCarver is very appealing...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agreed
I got the DVDs for Christmas, so I didn’t have to choose. I was hoping it’d have game 5 of the NLDS as well, but no soup. The 2006 one had the NLCS clincher on it, but they also didn’t have as many WS games.
Essential purchase regardless.
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the World Series hi-lights DVD
has the full game 5 of the NLDS come with it
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The 90 min official WS DVD (not the McDonalds one)
Comes with game 5
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe you can also buy NLDS Game 5 on iTunes, as brackenthebox suggested for the World Series, for $1.99.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
In fact, first thing I did when I got it was put game 6 in, skip to 7th inning, turn on Mike Shannon audio and his calls for such a dramatic come from behind win twice were much better than buck and mccarver… freese hits the walkoff to win it and buck:“and…we..will…see you tomorrow” with no emotion, AND five minutes of silence followed by “how did this happen?” Blegh… shannons call on freese homer “get up baby, GET UP BABY…OOOOOOHH YEAH”… the radio broadcast options are what iced the cake on an already good deal for the set…
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does the radio feed have the crowd mic as loud as the TV feed does?
That’s my only beef with radio feed over TV normally.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
i'll admit
The radio feed doesn’t have the crowd quite as loud, so there’s not that pop and energy heard when the cards are making those key hits
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Buck had emotion, and the silence was to hear the crowd, which is something a lot of people like
But yeah, Shannon is awesome and McCarver is an idiot
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
I thought Buck had emotion. I actually liked the “how did this happen”. It was such a crazy game, I think there were a lot of people just in shock. For once I thought McCarver’s comment was perfect.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Different media
On radio, the talk team must create the picture. On TV they’ve only to support the picture
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Unfortunately a lot of folks seem to interpret "support"
to mean “talk constantly.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Forget New Era
go with ‘47 Brand, they’re more comfortable, anyway
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
And truer fitting. My biggest beef with the 59/50s
is that they don’t break in properly. Sidenote: Roommate works at a for Lids 40% off. Also, in 1997 I bought a HatWorld card for $3. When they were bought put by Lids I was grandfathered in, 20% lifetime discount if 1. I physically show them and 2. I don’t lose the card. I’ve bought scads of hats since then and it’s paid for itself many,many times over.
by openside on Feb 3, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
59/50s are awesome if you do the following:
Hand wash in sink using warm water and dish soap. Shake excess water out, and set in the sun until it’s a bit damp.
Then put it on, and don’t take it off until fully dry.
This may cause a slight amount of warpage around the crown, but it reduces the high peak of the 59/50s, softens the material, makes the bill more pliable, and custom-molds it to your head.
I always hate 59/50s out of the box, but after I do that, I love them.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I may need to get a new one and start over.
I’ve tried hot water and wearing it in the shower, but the results suck.
by openside on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I got a white fitted Cooperstown hat with the 1900s Cards logo for $25.
I was surprised. Was from MLB.com too.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Also, while we're at it.
What’s with the current trend of Snap Backs? Nothing better than a fitted cap, the fact that they cost as much as a Fitted and people will still buy them for that is asinine.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 3, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what kind of prospect
it will cost us to get Ejax back around the trade deadline, when we need a SP and the Nats are completely out of it.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
No thanks
There will be better pitchers on their last year of their contracts on teams that will be going no where.
#givelancechants
It was more of a humurous comment,
but I was just noting that it’s not completely implausible. We could let Jax walk, get a 2nd round pick, and essentially trade that same level of talent to get him back around the trade deadline.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
and get another pick when he leaves again next year
or is that wrong. I don’t remember what changes the new CBA had for FA compensation.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
From what I remember we
would have to offer him a top 125 contract which was in the $12 million dollar range.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
yea,
someone below posted link to the Wiki page on the amateur draft and it explains all this. No more trading for a FA to be for August & September then getting the comp pick when he leaves. The change sure seems to be aimed at freeing up the FA market, especially for “marginal” used-to-be Type A’s.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
These aren't your
father’s Nats. They won’t be out of it in July.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
don't talk about my father's nats
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
How long
before we get a fake Shelby Miller Twitter account?
Please don’t let Sebek run it.
#givelancechants
Not going to lie
For being a 21 year old athlete with a high school education, I think his Twitter feed is fairly entertaining. And not at the “laugh AT him” sense.
#givelancechants
This made me laugh (but please GOBs, no)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
What?
/cancelsregistrationforShelbyBoner_ebooksTwitteraccount
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Bold comments, you guys
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
eh, so I'm not funny
I lost interest pretty quick. . . It’s tough to run fake accounts when your heart isn’t really in it
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I mean. . . that's not me, it's a friend of mine
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
quitter.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
by The Spanish Inquisition on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
THIS
completely unexpected
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
unexpected
but I didn’t quit. TrollStrauss tweeted a couple things yesterday.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
mainly "THIS"
i am still confused about how tweeting “This. RT @JoeStrauss This.” got me blocked.
goold commented on it, which i thought was amusing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Strauss is an insecure person who thought you were mocking him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
obviously you struck a nerve
kudos to you for getting under his skin
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
joe strauss was attacked by a pronoun as a chld.
it was very traumatizing.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Know what you mean
I—I mean a friend of mine—tried to do a Jay DeMerit’s Beard account, but after a couple weeks stopped tweeting entirely. More work than it seems, to be funny and active.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 3, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Much rather pitch Shelby or Lynn or Rzep if we really need a starer
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
If we're going with starer, I vote for Rzep
dude’s got one hell of a creepy stare
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
plus he's a lefty
got those devil eyes.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Oh yeah
It’s the smile that does it. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 3, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think he'd pitch better
if he didn’t have caterpillars taped to his forehead just above his eyes?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
You missed the caterpillar under his mouth.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of that draft pick
Where will it be? I know its supplementary, but does it matter that he went to the Nats instead of to a better team, ie will it be higher than it would have been if the Yankees signed him?
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
According to this it will be pick 52.
(It’s not been updated yet for the signing.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I don't get how the Cards don't have the first pick in the compensation round.
Was Albert not the top ranked FA by Elias?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Never mind. Forgot that some picks go to teams whose FAs were signed by teams with protected picks.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
post fail
have we ever had so many 1st round and supplementary picks in the past? It seems like in this draft we will have an unprecedented opportunity to stock up. Maybe a little premature, but how do we select? Pitching, catchers, outfielders?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Draft Picks
According to Strauss, it’s unprecedented:
The loss of free agents Albert Pujols, Octavio Dotel and Jackson provide the Cardinals draft leverage unprecedented in their history.
In 2005 first-year scouting director Jeff Luhnow exercised five of the first 70 and six of the draft’s first 78 picks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Horrible formatting, SBN.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's not a very complimentary picture of Moz
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we got colby and a bunch of nothing from those picks.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Greene is not nothing!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yet. But some of us
are really afraid he might turn out to be.
Oh well, at least we’ll know this year.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
we'll know if he gets consistent playing time, which is questionable still.
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edgar renteria begat colby rasmus who begat edwin jackson who begat . . . ?
we’ll see this summer.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
People can't be bothered to do, like, "research" and stuff.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
i had bookmarked a url of ESPN that someone mentioned here
but it was shut down by the gov’t (ICE) does anyone know of another link online…i forgot the user who posted this info…but thanks for it whileit lasted if there isnt another one out there
by guillermozeliak on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions
This one?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Do you mean a URL for a streaming feed of ESPN?
Because firstrowsports got shut down yesterday.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
although it looks like a clone site, firstrowsports.eu is already back up
internet > government
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
It's sad.
It’s one thing to have to deal with a drug/alcohol dependency, but to deal with it publicly is another. Kudos to Ian Kinsler for being an awesome teammate. Wish we had him.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And hey,
kudos to Josh Hamilton for being human and acknowleging his own imperfections. I’m not sure of the statistics, but I think most alcoholics fall of the wagon. I give huge props to Josh for not sliding all the way down the slippery slope and continuing to battle his demons, even if he suffers the occasional setback.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
absolutely
even though this is a setback, it could be so much worse. It seems he has the right support system around him, and it seems like the Rangers do what they can to help.
Because Matheny
I picked a really bad day
to wear my “AA’s for Quitters” shirt.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
just cross out "quitters" and write "dingers"
then draw Matt Adams
by mikey_mac on Feb 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
under-rec'd post
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
This is just hearsay
but I live in Apex NC, and when he’s here in the offseason, from what I hear(second hand, I honestly don’t know, so don’t kill me VEB), he’s not a regular at the bars, but he’s not exactly a stranger either.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
It is tough
My roommate is an alcoholic but thankfully he no longer drinks.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
So we have a 1-game series against the Miami Marlins on April 4
to open their new monstrosity? wtf?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
thankfully Pujols didn't sign there
as that would have made it all the more suckier
To make up for it
We get to have our ring ceremony in front of the Cubs
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 3, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is that on the Saturday of that series?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cards are big time now, will draw more views for opening game.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
They also had the exhibition games at Target Field.
Didn’t they also open another stadium recently?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well
what better way to break in that crime against nature, than to have the defending world series champs play the first ever regular season game there?
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
I hope Berkman is the first to light up the Home Run celebration sculpture.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A very good point.
There’s no reason for them to. After all, no team shoots off fireworks for opposing team homers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I hope he breaks it, a la the Natural (movie version),
So the monstrosity is out of commission for months.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fixed just in time for him to break it again at the end of June
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
So.......sending Aranathor was a bad idea?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/rangers-mistakenly-attempt-to-woo-roy-oswalt-by-to,27261/
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That depends on what you mean by "roots for the other team"
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if you're insinuating that he's a Rangers fan, he would probably take offense to that
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
I would never insult Aranathor like that!
I just thought Oswalt would want to know how gay friendly Cardinals fans are. It seems that plan has backfired.
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
In Australia
“rooting” has a totally different meaning than it does here.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
It can have a different meaning in the US as well
“A perfect example would be the rooting reflex, which helps a breastfed infant find the mother’s nipple.”
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 3, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is Ryan Ludwick with the Reds?
I was looking over the Red’s roster and Ryan Ludwick is not listed, even on the 40 man. I was sure he was signed by the Reds and even found an article that he was reportedly signing pending Physical.
If the Reds have him he could be a potent hitter again in that ballpark. Anybody know the status of ludwick.
he was
signed by the reds. no mention of a physical or pending physical (at least, according to MLBTR).
physical not completed yet
I also think the 40 man is full, so they need to drop someone
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds are like that "friend" from high school who kept trying to pick up your exes.
I hated that guy.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
These guys will be Reds in 2014
Berkman, Beltran and Oswalt. Then Cubs in 2015?
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
This
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=109
seems like a lot for him.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Feb 3, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
who would you rather have
Ludwick at 2.5 or Skippy at 1.5?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
If I were the reds, luddy
If I were the cardinals, skippy
by hr on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
what?
oh, gotcha. yeah, that’s probably true, but who is more likely to be worth it? Ludwick definitely has the upside, but they both stunk pretty bad the last 2 years.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Alternate picture caption:
“This is Edwin Jackson pitching in real time”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
so, trever to the cubs, tallet to the bucs, patterson to the brewers, I wonder if the astros would be interested in arthur rhodes?
by hr on Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
A place with no dangling prepositions,
that’s where.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
So the Dodgers signed Mark Ellis, Jerry Hairston and Adam Kennedy this offseason,
And have a projected IF of:
C- A.Ellis
1- J.Loney
2- M.Ellis
SS-D.Gordon
3- J.Uribe
With Hairston, Kennedy and Sellers as bench options. This HAS to be the worst IF offensively in all of baseball, right?
by mick311 on Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
la sports radio was defending not being in on fielder
because the dodgers have loney. i was perplexed.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I thought they were in on fielder
They were discussing creative contracts before the Tigers showed up with their spare dump-truck full of money
by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 3, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
So, as asked above, what day is the ring ceremony?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I believe its the second game.
First is the pennant being hoisted.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Is that the first/second home games?
I thought that the first game was in Miami
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to home games
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
we have one against the fish
then 3 in milwaukee and 3 in cincinnati
then finally home on FRIDAY THE 13TH!! against the cubs for the home opener
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Are the Cubs bringing thier black cat for Friday the 13th? (or was that the Red Sox? )
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The black cat thing happened in '69 to the Cubs
Some superstitious fans attribute the Cubs collapse to an incident at Shea Stadium on September 9: a black cat (an omen of bad luck) walked behind the Cubs on-deck circle where captain Ron Santo was standing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Chicago_Cubs_season
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 3, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's a fave
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
according the cards website
This is funny, 2006 WS party April 3rd everyone!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can someone explain to me what the numbers are in the Zips defensive projections?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Yea, I figured I don't need professional assistance -- just a brief explanation.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Seconding a wish for an explanation.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh, I give up.
/Lights the Szymborski signal.
Could you help with this? I get the rating of Poor – Very Good, but what do the numbers indicate? They don’t seem to correlate perfectly with the Poor – Very Good ratings, so I’m pretty confused.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
is it ZR+ or UZR+ or something?
where 100 is league average?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think so, but it doesn't really follow across the different categories.
Jay’s for example…
Jon Jay AV/118 VG/78 AV/85 AV/77
for 1b/lf/cf/rf
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 3, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, sometimes it's higher for rankings that should be lower if that were the case.
Example: At 1B Berkman’s defense is rated as Avg/94, but at RF it’s Poor/110. So I don’t think it’s a normalized performance measurement.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Craig's defensive projections would be especially odd if that were the case.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Sorry, I was in a teleconference from 11 to 5.
The tiers (POOR/FAIR/AVERAGE/VERY GOOD/EXCELLENT) represent expected range. I don’t think our tools give us the granularity to do more than put players in tiers.
The number is projected error rate as a percentage of league average. A SS with a FR/150 has below-average range (roughly 4-10 runs below average) and commits errors at a rate of 50% more than league average. A 3B with an EX/50 is projected to be at least 10 runs better than average 3B on a range basis and commit errors at half the rate of a league-average 3B.
by D.Szymborski on Feb 3, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Post bitching about crazy person in my clinic today redacted
Summary: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
eh, comes with the territory
it’s really a humorous story if you look at it from afar. Too bad I don’t think it should be shared.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
just change the names to protect the innocent
It was clear Teve Torbes had it goin’ on.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
you're rooting for the pats on sunday, aren't you?
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
eh, we'll see come game time
last time they met up I rooted for the Pats just to be contrarian. Everyone else at the party I went to was just there to hate on the Pats.
But I won’t be rooting for the Pats because the Giants beat the Niners. I’m not bitter about that game one bit.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it was a half joke, as we disagree on about everything football related.
i normally root for the NFC anyway, but the pats inclusion just makes it that much easier.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
i will be rooting for the patriots
because i don’t really care for football that much, so i have no allegiances, and kraft seems like a good guy who lost his wife.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
belichick is a class A dick though.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Eli Manning strikes me as a class A dick as well.
Ugh. I really dislike both teams, but I’ll probably root for the Giants since Brandon Jacobs went to SIU.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
i don't get the eli hate.
most love peyton but eli doesn’t get the same treatment. it’s odd.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
i hate them both
whiny little girls, they are
You ever see Peyton get mad when he doesn’t get the call he wants?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
...you mean every athlete?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
WARNING, SNARK INCOMING
whiny
okay, so they get frustrated by not succeeding…
little
you dislike small people? that doesn’t seem nice…
girls
nice! gender as an insult. well-played.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I like little people
have you seen Time Bandits? awesome movie
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Funny,
I have a 7 year old daughter, and she’s playing in a basketball league, and everything she does makes me think, “why does she do that like such a girl?”
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
how dare you comment negatively on someone's right to hate little girls!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
here's a start
Peyton: one of the greatest QBs of all time; made hilarious commercials
Eli: brother of one of the greatest QBs of all time; made a commercial about a watch
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
super bowls
eli: 1 and counting
peyton: 1 and maybe counting
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
nice argument there, heyman
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Good point
that’s obviously the best way to judge overall performance
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it was kind of a snark.
but really, eli is WAY underrated and one of the more clutch QB’s in the NFL right now.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Does clutch exist in the NFL?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
good performance in small sample sizes exists in the NFL
and choking certainly seems to
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's not choking.
He’s just having fun out there.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm thinking of a particular QB
who leads the league in smiles
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
it does, imo.
it’s subjective and obviously there’s no true way to measure it, but some quarterbacks just have “it” while others struggle.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Of course there's a way to measure it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"game winning drives"
sure.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's a terrible stat
Come on, you should know that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
how are supposed to measure clutch then?
i’m going to argue it exists in football, but i have no way to measure that.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
You study every single "last drive" by QBs
Compare it to their career stats. See if it’s a statistically significant difference. That’s really basic
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
just measure football WPA or something
see if it has a correlation across quarterbacks who switch teams or who’s teams have large turnover.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
not enough great QBs switch teams
that’s why I love guys like Brees and Warner. Almost no one gets a chance to be good in multiple contexts
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Just go with
“Close and late” just like we do in baseball. I think some QB’s look clutch because when their team is behind, the other team goes into a prevent and lets the qb basically complete 100% of his passes underneath.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Look at it this way.
If a QB has the ability to “raise his game” when it’s all on the line, then why the hell hasn’t he been playing that hard THE WHOLE TIME?!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
We said that about
baseball players when I was a kid. Then SABR showed us otherwise.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I think I gut the clutch from Rui's mom
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She's a terrible mechanic.
Bent my johnson rod something fierce last time I was in for tune up.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 3, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
But dear Lord
she knows a good lube job!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
by Eckstreem on Feb 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Also a band
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 3, 2012 4:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Actually, it's both
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
It definitely exists in all sports, it's just likely very minor across professional athletes as they all deal with pressure constantly
And it’s immeasurable, hence why It’s called and intangible. So I couldn’t say one QB is clutch and the other isn’t. Here’s the key with Eli, Favre threw tons of picks but was productive and considered an all time great. Eli throws too many picks and is also productive like Favre, but is hated and underrated. It’s unfair and silly and doesn’t need a magical smoke and mirrors ability to measure immeasurables argument to be true
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would it be immeasurable
Clutch = Performing better when the game is on the line, yes?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The small sample size and the other variables destruct it's measurability
There’s also an example of what clutch is. If it’s the ability to elevate the performance then why didn’t he play like that the whole time? If it’s not folding under pressure when others do then why haven’t all of the other pressures of getting to and being a professional already caused the other players to fold? Then again a game is played by humans and not everyone is at the exact same level or has the same abilities just because they are professionals. So there is something there its just that thinking that what is there is significant is silly and between the insignificance and the small sample the measurability is gone
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think it does
any more than in baseball. I think it’s all about dudes getting lucky in the right situations.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Ryan Theriot
1 World Series and countyng
Tony Gwynn
0 World Series….
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
this argument is null and void
there’s no comparison to the importance of a QB in football.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
would you say it's one Albert Pujols unit?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
well the QB can't do it all hiimself.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
...
super bowls
eli: 1 and counting
peyton: 1 and maybe counting
I’m not enough of an expert to really compare these teams and Marino’s Dolphins, but you know why the SB thing isn’t a good comparison.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
I don't know.
In my own snap-judged uneducated way, Eli strikes me as a classic dumb jock that’s way overrated. Peyton is arguably the best quarterback ever to play the game and he’s much more humble in public.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
overrated?!
4,933 yards, 29 TDs, and 16 INTs would like a word with you. as would those six game winning drives he anchored.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
you know what you have to do to get 6 game winning drives?
play worse than your opponent for 90% of the game
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
oh my god.
because defenses don’t exist. NEARLY 5,000 YARDS AND 30 TOUCHDOWNS
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
yes, he did do that once in his career
In his best year (this one), he was somewhere around the 6th best QB in the league by DYAR. He’s an OK-to-good QB, but the idea that he’s anywhere close to Peyton, or underrated in a year where he makes the probowl over a clearly superior Stafford is absurd.
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Measuring a QB by touchdowns is
like measuring a baseball player by RBI. They’re fine and all, but they’re more a result of the overall offense than the true skill of the QB.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Passing yards...
because that 80 yard touchdown was all arm.
Nothing to do with the receiver’s running ability.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Yeah, that's true too.
And completion percentage shouldn’t include drops.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I hate the "Game winning drives" stat more than I hate pitching wins
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
How about "Game-winning RBIs"?
Anybody else remember those? Glad that stat died.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Take that back
GWRBIs are my favorite meaningless junk stat ever.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Most people hate Eli
because he refused to play for the Chargers when he was drafted by them.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Who would want to live in that hell hole anyway?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know right....
OT: I moved to San Diego in October and it’s awesome. I’m pissed I have to wait until September to see the Cards play here.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
this is exactly why I dislike Eli
you didnt hear Sam Bradford, Cam Newton or Matt Leinart…whine about not wanting to play for a sucky NFL team. The only other QB I can think of threw a similar fit was John Elway.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
He's like the JD Drew of the NFL!!
(I know, Drew ostensibly refused to sign with Philly over $$; that was just the silly comparison that occurred to me.)
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
i don't understand how you come to this conclusion.
sports emotionalism is so strange to me. people spout off “brady is a douchebag”, “bellichick is a dick”, “i hate manning”.
what reasoning is there behind this madness?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
haaaaaaaave you heard of spygate?
haaaaaaave you seen belichick “give” an interview after he loses.
i’m willing to admit most of my brady hate is probably irrational, but belichick truly is an asshole.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I like belichick cause he goes for it on 4th downs a lot
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Patriots will convert a 4th down attempt +120
I am all over that.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
I don't know that taping other team's practices makes him a dick.
And I certainly don’t know that refusing to play the idiotic feed-quotes-to-the-media game makes anybody a dick.
oh man, he video-taped other teams.
that gives me a right to criticise his worth as a human being.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i mean, whatever.
if you’re going to nitpick the hell out of this i’m going to get nowhere.
point and case: fuck the patriots, fuck belichick, fuck brady, go giants.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
that's a lot of people you've got to have sex with before sunday.
i’d get on that if i were you.
preceding comment is supposed to be silly and not intended to be taken seriously
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
sounds like a normal weekend for me.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
You normally fuck several football teams in one weekend?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 3, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 5 recs
Belichick just got caught
In the 90’s about half the teams in football got in trouble for piping crowd noise through speakers to drown out the opposing QB’s cadence.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
the strategy to intentionally hold on every single play in 2001 is more egregious to me
it’s mainly the refs fault, but I hate hoodie for it as well
by brackenthebox on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly,
I think Belichick and LaRussa would be kindred spirits and I don’t mean that as an insult.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Dude, they are.
Tony’s buddies with him, Parcells, and Bobby Knight. A quick google turned up this.
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FOT
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
idk what that means
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Friend of Tony
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
EOM
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
my main thought is that somebody needs to take his hoody and burn it.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
You should really read Fever Pitch
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah. it's sitting on my desk at home.
i completely get being amped up for a team, so i didn’t intend to critique getting emotional about sports on the whole. i also can completely understand not liking a team or a player. the personal attacks fueled by little more than pettiness is something i don’t understand, though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i have a lot of hate this weekend.
mizz-ku on saturday night followed by the super bowl sunday. sports with play with my emotions way more than any woman will this weekend.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
i tend to agree with you
except Bellichick routinely does things in games that make you think he’s a dick.
All-out blitz very late in the 4th quarter against the Redskins a few years ago when the Pats were up by 30+, is the example that immediately comes to mind for me.
rooting for the pats is rooting for evil to take over the world.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i enjoy watching the patriots as a casual fan, partially because i think wes welker is incredibly fun to watch.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i had a dream we won the 2012 world series last night.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions
already?
seems like they would play the season first…
(sorry for the grammar nazi dig, couldn’t resist)
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
this is a legitimate point that i hadn't really thought of.
guess i should have said “last night i had a dream we won the 2012 world series”
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 3, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
right
or, "I had a dream last night in which we won…
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a history
of predictive success with your dreams? Please tell us you do.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
This is kinda fun:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/lists/mlb-celebrity-lookalikes-baseball-doppelgangers-121411
I always assumed that the guy who played Henry Rowengartner in Rookie of the Year was the perfect Ryan Braun doppelganger, but that is not true.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
rui_xu: @MatthewHLeach Do you think you'll have 'freer' reign to throw in advanced stuff at your new gig?
MatthewHLeach: @rui_xu I think it’ll be part of the goal, actually. Yeah.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
So who else is a degenerete gambler and bet the Super Bowl prop bets?
I found one where you are betting whether Al Micheals will say the words “Tim Tebow” in the first quarter.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Yeah, I think so.
I have spent an embarrassing amount of time analyzing these prob bets.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
hahaha
Which Will Be Higher…
Ahmad Bradshaw’s Total Receiving Yards (-130)
Chris Bosh’s Points at Toronto 2/5/12 (EVEN)
A chance to bet against Chris Bosh in the Super Bowl? SIGN ME UP.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Oh that's a good one.
I would take Bradshaw cause all it would take is one screen pass, but I would be nervous about it cause..well….Toronto.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Yep... The prop bets are terrible value, and of course I will bet them anyway
I have been getting killed by basketball bets, time to double my losses by trying to win it all back on the superbowl!
A Happy Birtday wish to
Jared Michael Schumaker on the occasion of his 32nd birthday. I’m sure I’m in the minority on this site, but I’m glad he’s still a Cardinal. 3M for both his Arb 3 year and a year of free agency seems a bargain – only needs to provide 2/3 WAR over 2 years at current rates to be an at-market signing, right? He’s not the most saber friendly guy with his low walk rate, lack of power and iffy defense, but I’m looking forward to his having a good season. I know we don’t like intangibles here because we can’t quantify them, but I think Skip is chock full of them.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions
Oh you are a
glutton for punishment, sir! Look out!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you know that the focus of the site has moved from Cardinals baseball to hating Skip Schumaker?
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I make an effort to hate everyone.
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Calling the defense provided by Schumaker "iffy" is akin to calling the defense provided by the Maginot Line "iffy."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 3, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
awesome,
Rafael Furcal= Maginot Line
Skippy= Belgium
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 3, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you don't like furc for his defense?
what would you rate the riot as = to?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, the Maginot was considered very solid, if a little old.
The German’s circumvented this stout defense by going around it through Belgium, who wasn’t even supposed to be at second base.
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 3, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
the point of it's defense value = weak skip was: it was easy to just go around, thus failing in it's purpose completely
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
never mind
i see what you did
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
you could view skip as maginot-like in the sense that he stopped much of what he got to.
his lack of lateral movement, like the maginot line, was his downfall.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
now that saying you're gay won't get you out of the army, i think this may be the best way that doesn't involve
shooting yourself in the knee.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
That dude survived the grenade
but his drills probably murdered him immediately after.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
His drills should be fired for teaching him that technique.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet good money
that he came up with that all on his own
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
theriot would have tried to roll it up the hill
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
WAR doesn't account for Rally Squirrel summoning
But Topps pays attention
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 3, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
brooks baseball has classified every pitch.
go to brooks baseball, search a pitcher, look at the visual representation of the data, be in awe.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
they even have a sabermetric outcome for each pitch type.
this is now my life for a couple days.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
wow that's cool
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
My gob
I feel as if my face should be melting, like the Nazis who looked at the Holy Grail.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I never actually read that Deadspin article about Dan Lozano until just now...
SO many unnamed sources, but still, can’t help but think the guy is a complete asshole. He really seems like just a horrible person, even if only 10% or so of that stuff is true, i’m surprised Pujols has kept him as an agent this whole time.
by mick311 on Feb 3, 2012 8:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think it was because of
thi$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 3, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
If 10% of that stuff is true, Pujols is a complete hypocrite
And this is coming from someone who still likes Pujols
by mattyfrommo on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is it too much to ask
to be able to sit through an hour long program on TV without seeing 3 different commercials for testosterone?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 3, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions
if it makes you feel better, it can't possibly be as annoying to you
as it is to ryan braun.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 3, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Android rec
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 4, 2012 9:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Don't see how you do it, over here, the programing usually runs straight thur for 45-50 some
odd minutes, then between shows you get like 15 minutes of commercials..
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good day VEB, whats the chances of Oswalt signing with the CARDS, like 50/50...
Had one great workout at the gym this morning, did some deadlifts for the 1st time ever, and boy are my legs feeling it now, but damn it feels great.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Thats good then, I just don't have a good feeling though, hope I'm wrong though.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
the way i see it
is he said the only teams he wants to play for are the rangers and the cardinals. the rangers have backed off of their pursuit now, but the cardinals are playing it smart and not offering whatever he wants just to sign him now.
i think either he’ll realize he has no leverage and come closer to the cards’ price or he’ll decide that he’s not willing to pitch for the cards for $5MM regardless and he’ll call the cards and give them one last chance to sign him before he signs elsewhere, at which point it’ll probably happen if the price is reasonable
I imagine it's a pretty good chance too - the big question is money
Not that there’s a huge difference between what he wants and what the Cards reportedly offered, but it would be nice to see something closer to $5 million than $10 million.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Just watched the new 3 Musketeer's movie
Easily the worst movie I have watched in the last few years. The acting wasn’t even bad. The writing was just so horrible. So very very horrible.
I've heard that, I still like the 1973 version with York, Chamberlain, Reed, and Welch the best..
On this latest one though, how was Mads Mikkelsen… If your not familiar with Mads check out the movie Valhalla Rising, wOw, the weirdest strangest movie you’ll ever see.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Valhalla Rising
Very strange, but interesting, pretty brutal fight scenes, very weak payoff. Probably should have just made an effort to watch when it aired on cable instead of buying the DVD.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
ya it was strange to say the least, buy Mads made the film though, didn't say a word, i did love the
photography of the movie though…
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, he plays Rochefort
I had forgotten that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I had a sad with every preview I saw.
I guess I should just bit the bullet and watch the Michael York version the whole way through for once. I have long been pining for a decent movie version of that book.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
anybody who's interested, john sickels ran an "all questions answered" thread today
featuring answered questions on kolten wong, ryan jackson, matt adams, matt carpenter, and lance lynn.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Seems at least a little optimistic on all of those guys.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno, reading our top 1b prospect as hitting for a ~.780 OPS seemed pretty underwhelming. that's a 1-2 win 1b.
he also called ryan jackson a utility player with potential to start. seems on the realist side of things.
his comments on wong and lynn and even carpenter inspired some hope for me.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Yea, I think Matt Adams may be like Adam LaRoche -- good enough to play for a few years, but not the sort of guy you want to keep around forever.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I glossed over his Adams line.
With Jackson, I was more heartened that he isn’t viewed as a glove-only guy at this point.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think Sickels has a pretty realistic take on Jackson
he was glove-only, and close to a non-prospect, before last year, then unexpectedly showed enough bat to make him an actual prospect. For now his median projection is still in the role-player only range, but if he hits at AAA like he did last year (relative to the league, that is) all of a sudden he looks like an ok MLB regular.
He also mentions Miller, and I assume he's talking about Shelby.
Doesn’t say much other than that he ranked him over Trevor Bauer in his list.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Twice, actually.
Likes him over Julio Teheran as well.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight has been brought to me by Riesling
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
Especially nice in the Summer.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
the first (and really, only)
thing I think of when I think of Riesling is a party that friend invited me to some years ago, which was much fancier than either of us were prepared for. It was a spring “garden party” thrown by a sort of snooty institution he was a member of. Turned out to be black tie-ish, with all sorts of pretentious overtones. We weren’t prepared (in my defense, I had no idea what was up), but we made the best of it by sampling the free wine until we figure out the Riesling was our favorite, and then going to town on that.
A few hours after us, another friend showed up at what she thought (accurately) was a kind of classy affair. She still gives us shit about the surprise of walking out onto this porch with a fancy party spread out ahead of her, and then looking to the right to see Alex and I, wine drunk in jeans and t-shirts, sprawled out in the deck chairs.
Anyway, Riesling huh.
Agreed
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 4, 2012 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's appreciated correctly by people who know almost nothing about wine, and by people who know a lot about wine.
It’s the group in-between that often doesn’t understand it.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
reminds me of those Rhine river tours I used to go on, usually from Mainz to Koblenz..great wines in
part of the country.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. i'm not much for wine, in general i like beer much more,
but i loved going on wine tours in alsace.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
did u happen to visit the Verdun battlefield?
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
My cousin's husband is Alsatian.
I would love to visit there.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean, Germany plus France? It's win-win!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Just got the world series box set in from Amazon.
35$ after shipping is a steal.
by Cheeseballs on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My wife bought it as a gift to me for Christmas.
I refrained from buying it before then as a gift to my wife.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 4, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
most excellent, I still kick myself in the butt for not getting to Normandy though, but did
go to Bastonge for the 30th anniversary of the battle, and boy o boy that week was something special..
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 4, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions
been to normandy a few times.
only been to the beaches once, which i respectfully contend is enough for a lifetime. nothing more jarring than seeing row after row after row of graves, knowing most of the buried died within a few hours of one another.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
unless you get money back
…I’m actually looking forward to it this year, those mofos owe me a lot of money back
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i got some educational credit
i think this is the most money i’ve ever gotten back. which isn’t say a whole lot. but it’s more than i was expected and quite welcome since i’m buying a car soon
there are other places on the internet where it's possible to edit posts
people in those places think i’m much smarter than people here do
what kind of car? (for no reason in particular)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
the kind that i can afford mostly
preferrably small, fuel efficient, manufactured in this millenium and a safe bet to make a 30-ish mile commute the next year
i’m currently most interested in a passat and an audi a4
the first half of your post
and the second half don’t jive in my head.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
For me
It’s “the kind that I can afford” and “Audi”
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 4, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
but i may decide to just take on a payment
and use the money as a down payment for something more long term
Oh didn't see the A4 part.
Too early to be this tired if I’m gonna stay up late enough for the thunder snow.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 4, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
for me, it was the same.
i suppose an older used audi could fall under ten. it was just an initial “what”. not really based on anything.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i drive a 1993 ford with 256,000 miles on it
i genuinely do not feel that i am safe in the car. upgrading from that shouldn’t be too hard
Right here!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Which is the best chocolate to get for my girlfriend for Valentine's/Simon Pegg Day?
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 4, 2012 12:17 AM EST reply actions
this is a very vague question.
what kind of chocolate does she like? are you thinking a box? if so, one you can buy at a grociers or a specialty shop?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Had not put this much thought into it yet.
I guess I was just thinking one of the boxes with a variety. Like which brand of one of those boxes would be best, I guess is what I’m asking.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 4, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
google is proving unhelpful in finding a chocolatier near you.
in terms of widely available stuff, i like lindt or godiva.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
My wife likes Russell Stover nuts and chews
which used to be easy to find at most grocery stores. Can’t find that specific one anymore, so I bought her a box of Godiva chocolates at Barnes and Noble….suffice to say, I wasn’t it aware it cost $16 until the clerk rang it up! Never again…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
See's Candies.
/not actual advice, just personal preference.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 4, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
what you plan for a date matters much more than what the brand of chocolate you get
but I hear York makes a mean peppermint patty. But seriously, plan a good date and the rest doesn’t matter.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
dark chocolate unless you know she hates it.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
yeah. this is why i asked what type of chocolate she likes.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
"gamers" are apparently real people, and my god they are weird
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Ok, I've only watched the first one
and it was mildly amusing. I’ll be gone for about 11 mins watching the rest…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 12:28 AM EST reply actions
mildly addictive ... alien ones were pretty funny
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 4, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Who here is considering buying a Nike Fuelband?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 12:56 AM EST reply actions
...
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
damn, makes my garmin forerunner look old, does this have a kcal counter and gps with it?
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 4, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know
doubt it
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
oh well then, the thing I like about the Garmin is that when I download the data to the
app, I can review my routes in google earth.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 4, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
so this is why i normally choose to not be sober on friday nights!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 4, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions
sorry, nothing imaginative or intelligent sprang to mind.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
My wife is sick and my best friend has clinicals in the morning and my other best friend is also sick
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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if you all are bored, you can read the new post on the new CBA.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Nobody's THAT bored, Tom
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typo:
in other scheduling and realignment issues, paragraph 2, sentence 3.
bothhamilton
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
and if i recall correctly,
we ARE one of the ten smalles markets. if i remember goldstein right.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
employee governance and benefits second paragraph, second sentence
whcih
i’ve got to be one of the only people who likes to edit things while buzzed.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well, I don't get buzzed
but I rarely pass up an opportunity to be pedantic.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 4, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
oh, I'm sorry. don't mean to keep you from your soccermetrics.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 4, 2012 4:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm going to need coffee for that baby.
and it’d be beyond silly to drink coffee now. check back in in ten hours.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 4, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
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