Welcome Back, Ozzie
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 8:00 AM EST
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PrintAll is once again right in the world of baseball as Ozzie Smith has joined the St. Louis Cardinals in Spring Training for the first time since his retirement in 1996. After being hired as Cardinals manager, Mike Matheny reached out to the Hall-of-Famer about coming to Jupiter as a special instructor. Smith accepted and on Saturday made his first appearance of camp. Thankfully, Matheny has righted a wrong inflicted on the organization and its fans by former manager Tony La Russa.
On December 10, 1981, Whitey Herzog executed a trade with the San Diego Padres that brought Ozzie Smith to St. Louis. In an interview with USA Today on the anniversary of the trade, Smith called the opportunity to join the St. Louis Cardinals "the turning point of his life." It was also a turning point for the Cardinals franchise. Not only did the trade help the Cardinals to win the club's first World Series since El Birdos of 1967, it also brought added the greatest defensive shortstop in the history of baseball to the ranks of Cardinals legends.
The all-time leader in assists for a major league shortstop, Smith won thirteen Gold Gloves. He was elected to fifteen All-Star Game rosters. He totaled over 2,000 hits and was a no-doubt Hall-of-Famer-to-be when La Russa took over as Cardinals manager. The Cardinals traded for shortstop Royce Clayton prior to the 1996 season and La Russa announced that there would be a competition for the starting shortstop position. Despite Smith out-hitting and out-fielding Clayton during Spring Training, La Russa made Clayton the primary shortstop.
Because Smith clearly outplayed Clayton to all but the manager, La Russa was forced to defend displacing Smith. He was less than convincing.
I think it's fair to say he misunderstood how he compared to Royce in spring training. When I and the other coaches evaluated the play in spring training--the whole game--Royce started very slowly offensively and you could see him get better. By what he was able to do defensively and on the bases, Royce deserved to play the majority of the games.
La Russa's dishonesty with Smith caused a rift to develop between the manager and player as Smith shot back:
You know he's not doing what the man said he would do. [...] Anyone who sits down and listens knows it's a lie. It's things like that that don't allow you to have respect for people. That's cowardice, as far as I'm concerned. But should I expect anything different?
It wasn't so much about my playing time as the way it was done. I was under the impression I was going to have every opportunity to do what I do. I was told that the position would be earned in spring training. And I thought I did that. I did everything that was asked of me.
After Smith's retirement, the relationship between the two did not improve. At the 1999 All-Star Game, Smith said he would not return to the Cardinals while La Russa was the manager. After a 2006 article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (seemingly unavailable on the internet), La Russa responded by rescinding his longstanding offer for Smith to be a special instructor at Spring Training and stating:
When my time is up, they can welcome him with open arms, but I don't want to be anywhere he is. [...] I won't ever be around when he's around. Cardinals fans can embrace him all they want to, and it won't be uncomfortable because I won't be there.
Now that La Russa is gone, the fans and organization can comfortably welcome our beloved Hall-of-Fame shortstop back into the Cardinals fold with open arms. This is where Smith belongs--wearing a No. 1 Cardinals uniform at Spring Training, joking with Willie McGee, and working with Cardinals infielders on their fielding. When asked about his return on Saturday, Smith responded, "It's really like coming home." In the Post-Dispatch, ace scribe Derrick Goold shared with us Smith's thoughts on his reconnection with the Cardinals:
"It's been kind of a weird thing. [...] I was still a part of it but not to this degree I still participated in opening day ceremonies. When I say reconnect, I mean reconnect from a baseball standpoint. Being around it. Getting to know some of these young kids who are coming up through the organization. That's the part that was missing."
Smith joined Jose Oquendo in working with the infielders on one of the back fields in Jupiter. One of the players he worked with was first-round draft pick and top second base prospect Kolten Wong, who tweeted afterward:
Just met Ozzie smith! Gotta love being a cardinal
— Kolten Wong (@KoltenWong) February 25, 2012
(Before a Quad Cities game last season, I saw Wong do a backflip firsthand. Azruavatar did not because he was busy writing down the starting lineup. As far as I've seen, there has been no reporting on whether Smith has given Wong any pointers on backflipping, but I hope to hear of this taking place during the next week.)
This is a sample of what the organization has been missing with Smith's estrangement from the baseball side of things. Having Smith taking part in pre-game ceremonies is great and all but the organization is undoubtedly better off with Smith in the teaching fold, sharing his knowledge of the game with young players during spring. Smith will spend a week in a week in Jupiter with the club and Matheny reportedly plans on him instructing infielders on defense and, along with McGee and Lou Brock, working with all the players on stealing bases. The thought of a base-stealing clinic being put on the trio of Brock, Smith, and McGee just warms the heart, doesn't it? As Matheny so eloquently states, "There's wisdom for everybody to tap into."
Smith has been absent from the baseball part of the St. Louis Cardinals organization for far too long. It's a great thing to have him home, in Jupiter, sharing his knowledge with current and future Redbirds. I think I speak for nearly all of Cardinaldom when I say "Welcome back, Ozzie."
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...and they all lived happily ever after.
Seriously, I respect TLR and what he did for the Cardinals organization. But it’s so refreshing to have leadership in the clubhouse that can function without ego and prejudice. So good to bring the Wizard back into the family.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
Agreed
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 12:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Am I the only one
that wants Ozzie Smith even sharing an apartment with Ryan Jackson?
"They just won't go away"
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Ozzie was better in 96, but...
As much of a fan as I am, I have trouble believing the Wizard would average much more than 1 win a year at age 42-52. :)
Was it as close as Ozzie implies?
I loved Ozzie, but in the last year or two his arm was fried. He could still get to balls, but he had trouble making the throws.
Boog would have made that play.
Clayton had seven or eight errors in Spring Training play while Ozzie had zero.
Ozzie hit .280-something in ST and Clayton hit below .200. Both played well in the regular season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This
Ozzie clearly beat Clayton in Sprint Training no matter which way you looked at it. When Clayton got the starting gig, it was clear that TLR had intended to go with Clayton all along, and made the “open competition” to create a sense of pressure, or Clayton “earning it” as opposed to just being named the starter.
and also (speculation on my part)
TLR probably guessed beforehand that Clayton would outperform Ozzie anyway, making the entire thing moot. When it didn’t happen… well… we all know how that went.
yeah
The Jocketty/LaRussa era began with some big moves. Guessing from the personalities we see from these guys Smith and LaRussa were probably both claiming ownership of the team. LaRussa thought the path of least resistance to turning the page on the old Cardinals (and Ozzie) was to base it on competition (assuming Clayton would win). Coming out and saying, “this is my team, we are going in a new direction, Ozzie is welcome to stick around and play the role I have for him but we are going with the young fella that had a good season last year.” would not have gone over well with the fans. If only Ozzie had stunk, or Clayton played well the plan would have worked. Sucks for Ozzie, and for LaRussa. I am on LaRussa’s side as far as turning the page on Ozzie, I wish it didn’t go down the way it did, and I understand why Ozzie would be mad about it. But I think it is pretty obvious that Ozzie fed his anger over the years and made an ass of himself about it.
by abothecardinal on Feb 27, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ozzie was never a mean or angry person
who looked for reason to take offense. He was disrespected and he was lied to. That would chap anyone’s [butt].
I hear he makes an awesome tuna melt
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Who played better in the regular season?
I always thought Clayton did but I’d be okay with being wrong
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clayton had more opportunities to do so
as bgh mentions below,
Smith was worth 1.3 fWAR in 261 PA that season while Clayton was worth 1.9 fWAR in 531 PA.
So all we can do is imagine had the opportunities been switched, how well Smith might have done.
why you got to be all negative?
I kid… you’re absolutely correct, it could have been that way as well, and probably important not to forget it and leave it out of the conversation entirely.
What a load of nonsense
Ozzie was finished as an everyday shortstop in 1996. Royce Clayton was better than he was. It was Ozzie who was selfish and refused the chance to move to second base. It was Ozzie who refused ever after to return to St. Louis—even this love letter admits that Ozzie had a standing invitation to come to camp for many years afterwards.
by Vidor1 on Feb 27, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
and another thing
The author mentions the date of 2002 but conveniently does not explain its significance. LaRussa’s revocation of the invite came when Ozzie was bleating about how he hated LaRussa on the day the Cardinals were burying Darryl Kile. Most of this article is behind a pay wall but you get the gist here:
by Vidor1 on Feb 27, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TLR declared Smith persona non grata in 2006.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Even better, 2006
Why, pray tell, did Ozzie not come to camp for ten years, 1997-2006?
I covered this in the main post.
Smith didn’t come to Spring Training as a special instructor because of Tony La Russa behaving in a dishonest and cowardly manner toward him during the 1996 season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thats one hell of a grudge to hold
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Not even a grudge at that point
It becomes a pride issue
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Which is your way of saying
That Smith sulked like a spoiled child for ten years after he did not get his way. Thanks at least for admitting that Smith didn’t come to spring because he refused to come, because he held a grudge, nit because he wadn’t wecome.
by Vidor1 on Feb 27, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that you dislike Ozzie Smith and like Tony La Russa.
You believe that La Russa deserves the benefit of the doubt, even after Rolen, Edmonds, Ryan, and Rasmus. That’s fine. Unlike you, I believe in the piece of wisdom that tom s. shared with us in regards to La Russa: “If you meet three assholes in a day, maybe you’re the asshole.” When a manager has multiple run-ins with players based on the way he interacts with them, maybe the manager is the one with a problem.
As for the words you put in my mouth regarding Smith, that is not my way of saying that he “sulked like a spoiled child for ten years after he did not get his way.” Smith has consistently said that it wasn’t about the playing time, that it was about La Russa saying one thing and doing another. As I’ve aged, I know my threshold for adults who say one thing and do another has gone way down. So, I don’t blame Smith for not wanting to be around a man who says one thing and does another. Perhaps honesty is more important to Smith and me than it is to you.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It takes two to fight
As far as I know, TLR’s made up with Rolen and Edmonds. As far as Ryan goes, it’s never really been made entirely clear just who and/or what was the driving force behind that.
It was quite frankly pretty clear that Ozzie was well beyond his prime going into 1996 and La Russa was intending all along to make Clayton the starting SS. True TLR set it up in a publicly disingenuous manner, but Ozzie had to have been in denial if he thought he was still the same player he always was.
Ultimately, I like both TLR and Ozzie, but neither one of them is perfect. And let’s certainly not pretend that only one party is to blame for Ozzie not being more involved with the team since the 1996 season.
by bailorg on Feb 27, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I understand that you dislike Tony LaRussa and dislike Ozzie Smith
Characterizing the relationship between Ozzie and LaRussa as a “great wrong” done by one is simplification personified. Smith preceded that spring training with a -0.4 WAR season during which he was oft-injured. He was 42 years old and on a clear decline. In the same season, the 25-year-old Clayton was worth 2.4 for the Giants, which is why Jocketty acquired him.
Smith and LaRussa are two strong personalities who had a clash that turned into a permanent grunge. Neither was classy in doing so, allowing their egos to overwhelm their common sense and perspective, and neither looks good in the long run. But it happens. Painting Smith as the wronged hero in this is amateur hour, and reveals your own highly skewed biases in the matter.
by Forsch31 on Feb 27, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This misses the crux of Smith's grievance.
If the Cardinals had already decided that Clayton would be the starting shortstop, which would have been a defensible position given the individual players’ respective production in 1995, that’s fine. I still think some deference should have been afforded to the franchise’s no-doubt, first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, but at least they would have been up front and honest about things. Had they been honest, it’s likely that none of this happens. Unfortunately, honesty was not La Russa’s policy.
Even with their respective numbers in 1995, La Russa said there would be a spring training competition for the job of shortstop. Smith took La Russa at his word. Smith objectively out-performed Clayton. La Russa then offered a completely bizarre justification for Clayton having played better, even though Clayton clearly did not. Clayton then played over Smith despite Smith playing better than Clayton during the regular season as well.
I don’t see how it’s “amateur hour” to find this dishonesty to be wrong or Smith’s anger over being lied to worthy of understanding.
I understand finding La Russa at fault is unacceptable to a contingent of our community, even when he is lying to a Hall-of-Famer. This was my first real experience with La Russa other than a Sega video game that had his name attached to it and I found it incredible that he would say one thing and do another. It’s true that neither was classy. I don’t blame Smith for responding to La Russa’s dishonest by not wanting to be around or validate La Russa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, this is my
memory of this as well. In hindsight we can look back on other so-called “competitions” in ST that really were tilted in favor of one guy.
TLR acted wrongly in ST, and then Ozzie reacted in a way that was in my opinion justified at the time. I would agree, however, that Ozzie should have let go of the grudge in the years since. Neither guy comes out looking like a rose here, but the personality qualities that led each guy to do what he did were also the qualities that made them successful too. It’s the price we pay for dealing with humans.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I think this is the best rundown so far
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, quite frankly rehashing this helps no one
It’s why we eventually revere legends. We remember the great and the good moments and forget about the bad.
Agreed
Redbird Freak is getting a mobile rec.
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by Tackle Box on Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah screw tony
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Can we put the tom s line to rest?
Is that all you’ve got? What you fail to note is that Edmonds and Rolen patched things up with Tony and as far as I know Ryan never said a bad word about him.
You don’t like LaRussa and everything you see is colored by that basic assumption whether its Smith, Rasmus, Reyes, etc etc.
Tony wanted to turn the page, it was never going to work out well. Smith has been acting like a child for a long time. He could have patched things up as well but chose not to.
I’m happy to see him back, though.
Just win
Guilty as charged: I love Ozzie Smith.
Your assessment of Smith as a shortstop really isn’t supported by the stats from 1996. Smith was worth 1.3 fWAR in 261 PA that season while Clayton was worth 1.9 fWAR in 531 PA. This indicates that Smith was hardly “finished as an everyday shortstop” and also undermines your argument that Clayton was better than Smith was at that point in time. How valuable would Smith have been as the primary shortstop, we will never know.
As for your assertion that Smith refused to return to St. Louis, it’s hogwash. Smith lived and continues to live in St. Louis. He has returned many times for ceremonies at Busch Stadium.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And I should've kept reading
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know there are two sides to this
Ozzie was an aging shell of his former self and as terrible as Royce Clayton was he looked at the time like a young up and coming SS, Ozzie also fueled more hatred from his side of the fence. One the other hand, Tony has rubbed many the wrong way, loved control and his own ego, and gave the SS position to a bad SS who easily lost the “competition” to an aging but not terrible HOFer. After spring trainings they both were nearly equally valuable that season as it turned out. In the end both were great peices of Cardinals history and HOFers (Ozzie already) but every time we think about them together we will unfortunately think of thier feud
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This battle will always be upsetting, but
Its great to see Ozzie back
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 9:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The Cardinals were garbage pre-96. I know Ozzie deserved more respect in his last year, but I was ready to turn the page. Royce Clayton was a young up and comer and I was glad the Cardinals were giving him a shot, even though he did that weird spitting thing. Smith’s 96 season was a nice resurgence for him, but he was an average old guy at that point. RC WAR 1.6, OS WAR 1.5
I am glad Smith is back at camp too, but I can’t say I missed him, and I doubt these instructors do a whole lot for the current players besides create an historical ethos to the team.
I will always wonder what Smith's total WAR would have been if he were the everyday shortstop.
He posted 1.3 fWAR in only 261 PA. Clayton posted 1.9 fWAR in 531 PA. I think you used rWAR. No matter which WAR one uses, the point is still the same. Clayton accrued his value over many, many more PA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my point wasn’t to extol Clayton because of his 1/10th advantage. I was trying to communicate that they were statistically close, and I was ready to bet on the new guy in ‘96. The early 90s Cardinals were not good. 1996 was an exciting year to be a Cardinals fan. Sorry Ozzie, your time here was great, but the Cardinals are heading in a different direction and I’m on board.
by abothecardinal on Feb 27, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Normally, I'd agree with you.
However, with certain players, I think a franchise should respect their careers and allow them to leave on their own terms. This is a very small group of players—Smith, Ripken, Jeter, etc. Coincidentally enough, I think the Cards avoided a similar situation when Pujols left for Anaheim. I understand and appreciate where you’re coming from, but this is Ozzie Smith. He’s not your typical veteran that is being replaced with a young player.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
true
I usually agree, but not in this case, though I respect your position. Ozzie had a great career, but he was more flash than anything at the end. his 95 season was garbage. 1996 was the first year in a long time I was invested in the Cardinals.
by abothecardinal on Feb 27, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Funny you mention Ripken
Who unlike Ozzie put the team first and accepted a change in position.
You'll have to find some evidence of the Cardinals asking Smith to move to second base.
Unlike Ripken, whose range decreased with age, Smith was always an above-average defensive shortstop.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That was the worst thing about Ozzie
His range never obviously diminished.
What was excruciating was seeing him still able to get to ridiculous balls, but not being able to make the throw.
Boog would have made that play.
I wonder how much value just stopping balls has with runners on (I can't imagine that's accurately taken into account in the TZ type stuff)
Man on 2nd—-that pretty much saves some slice of a run. Man on 1st, keeping him from getting to 3rd has value.
Not afraid to nitpick
Not in TotalZone
Maybe in UZR
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how much of Ozzie's value in his final season came from defense?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
4.0 by Total Zone, IIRC.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I totally agree with you bgh
I hated the way TLR dealt with Ozzie and it took me a long time as a fan to get over it. I was at Ozzie’s last game and it was really hard to say goodbye. Growing up, he was always the Cardinals shortstop. It was sort of like the end of my youth.
by OCCardsFan on Feb 27, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they're not "statistically close", they're statistically close in total production, over a VASTLY different sample size
Ozzie produced at a much, much higher level.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Retrospectively this is true and I think Vidor1 is offbase to play a hindsight game.
Don’t look at 1996. TLR didn’t have the benefit of that season to make his judgment on whether Ozzie should play. Instead, look at the seasons prior. While Clayton was no great shakes offensively, I would have had a hard time not projecting him to be a better player than a 40-year-old Smith. I can’t speak to TLR’s motives for not playing him or any of the Spring Training stuff but, from a numbers point and aging curve viewpoint, TLR made the “right” decision.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 27, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i agree with you- i just don't like the logic Vidor is using
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
and after that fiasco,
TLR vowed to never again replace a veteran with a young player…
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Feb 27, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes Az...
…but we had the ridiculously small sample size of spring training to prove the projection otherwise. Ozzie out played Clayton that spring. If there ever was someone to fall victim to over-emphasizing the results of a small sample size it is Tony Larussa. What always gets me is that Tony went against his whole maniacal nature to ignore the spring results – he ignored a statistical advantage based on SSS and he played the younger player over the older veteran.
I guess Ozzie wasn’t gritty enough.
Clayton was not an up and coming prospect, he was 27 with 4+ years of experience
Not afraid to nitpick
I find it ironic...
that TLR, who has never given Tyler Greene a true shot at SS, is the guy who was so willing to hand over the position to Royce Clayton. TLR has never really just handed over major responsibilities to a young player. Prospects have had to earn their positions/roles with TLR, and it just seems extremely odd that he didn’t stick to the veteran player so many times since (Theriot, Aaron Miles, Ryan Franklin, Bobby Bonilla).
The Cardinals traded for Clayton, who had been the shortstop for the Giants for a few years.
Clayton wasn’t a prospect in 1996; he was an established big-league SS.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Clayton was a very
good glove man so the Birds didn’t lose anything defensively in ’96, but his gruesome OBPs were hard to look at during his time with us.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ozzie had a good hitting eye and worked his fair share of walks.
He had a 9.9% walk rate for his career and it was 9.6% in 1996.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
9.3%, with 6.6% K rate.
.212 BABIP
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
No one knew what BABIP was in 1995
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 27, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this here
TLR has never really just handed over major responsibilities to a young player
Is just not true.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Especially over the past few years
I really wish this would die. TLR basically made Dirty Dan our starting third baseman last year. He’s given Jon Jay opportunities from the start, and he seemed to make good effort to get Allen Craig into the lineup as much as he could (he even tried him at 2B, for chrissake).
TLR has problems with some young players, and he readily forks over his trust to others. I think it was very case-by-case.
by mojowo11 on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
Jon Jay is still not considered the team’s everyday CF. Colby Rasmus was never the team’s everyday CF. Allen Craig has not had an opportunity to play day in and day out, and in regards to playing 2B, I believe TLR was not managing those games due to illness. Due to injuries, Dirty Dan was forced to play. Yadi was brought in as a backup first, then everyday player. Pujols wasn’t expected to be on the team until Bonilla was hurt, then forced his way onto the lineup daily with his unworldly performance. Wainwright was in the pen, then closer, then starter. Motte was named the closer a few years ago, blew one save, then it was handed over to Franklin. Once Franklin proved he was ineffective over a multiple week period, then TLR made the change to Sanchez/Salas/Motte. Lance Lynn has been brought along slowly.
Who was the last young player the Cardinals just handed a job over to? Ray Lankford? Brian Jordan? Donovan Osborne?
I will not stand for this blatent Bobby Bonilla history revision!
John Mabry was kept on the team at Bonilla’s expense.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Colby wasn't the everyday CF in 2010 (or 2011 before being traded)?
The only Cardinal players with more PAs than Rasmus in 2010 were Pujols and Holliday. I guess Yadi wasn’t our “everyday C” in 2010 and Skip wasn’t our “everyday 2B” either. Indeed, no other everyday players existed, except Pujols and Holliday, so I guess it’s fair to say that TLR doesn’t hand over jobs to anyone without a $100MM+ contract.
Ergo, TLR hates guys who don’t have $100MM+ contracts.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 27, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jay isn't the starting CF because we have Beltran
If we brought back Pujols, Jay would be the CF. He got 500+ PA last year, I’m not sure what you want from TLR there. It’s not like Jay’s an amazing offensive or defensive player.
Allen Craig hasn’t had a chance to play every day because the outfield last year was Holliday-CF-Berkman and Craig can’t handle center. And oh by the way, TLR gave him a shot there, too. He was pretty terrible, if you’ll recall.
Pujols wasn’t expected to be on the team because he had ONE YEAR in the minors. The dude was a complete anomaly in every way, and you’re going to hold the fact that he kinda almost didn’t make the team maybe against TLR? Of course he wasn’t expected to make the team out of Spring Training. NOBODY would have been.
Dirty Dan was “forced” to play because of injury, but once Freese (the clearly superior player, and not exactly a seasoned vet himself) was injured, DD saw almost all the time at 3B, then also some time at SS in the pre-Furcal span, and also time at 2B. He basically thrust DD into the super-utility role right out of the gate. If your point is that DD wasn’t handed a job, then yes, he wasn’t — you see, he’s actually not very good.
How about Fernando Salas? Tony basically made him the setup man as soon as he arrived from Memphis.
How about Jaime Garcia? He made the team out of Spring Training in 2010 and was given a rotation spot in spite of the fact that he was coming off major surgery and there were injury and workload concerns.
Yadi was brought in as a backup to Matheny because Yadi kinda sucked at first. In his first full-ish season in 2005, he hit .252/.295/.358. Yes, he was a defensive whiz. Guess who else was? Mike Matheny, and he was hitting at about the same level and had the trust of the pitching staff at the time. How can you possibly lambast LaRussa for that one?
Colby was third on the team in PA and played in 144 games in 2010. Every single inning was in CF. Ignoring the media problems between TLR and Colby and just looking at the playing time, how can you possibly argue that he wasn’t the team’s everyday center fielder? And even if I were to give you that, I would point out that the other guy is Jon Jay, who you’re complaining never got handed the starting CF job — and the reason he got ANY playing time in 2010 over Rasmus is because through his first 100 PA he was hitting .386/.439/.614. So would you like to complain that Rasmus wasn’t the starting CF? Or would you like to complain that Jay was never handed the starting CF job? You’re going to have to pick one.
Wainwright being brought in as a reliever is hardly unusual, and Tony giving him the closer role for the important playoff run when Isringhausen went down should be a point in Tony’s favor for giving young guys roles, not against.
The only valid point I see in this entire post is that TLR handled the entire Franklin saga poorly. I agree. The rest of your argument for Tony
...
…being anti-young-player is revisionist history, skewed to make TLR look bad, or completely ignores context.
I think it would be fair to say that TLR considers experience a plus
but…. I think every manager in every line of work considers experience a plus.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I agree with this comment.
However, it is difficult to remember when a player was brought up through the system and just handed over a starting position.
Rasmus in his first year up with the club was pulled from the lineup vs LH many times, just because he batted from the left side.
Jaime is probably the only person who was given a spot right out of the minors, but he did pitch out of the bullpen prior to getting hurt, and was not in the high leverage situations.
The point I’m trying to make is that TLR doesn’t just hand over major responsibilities to a young player, which is what you refuted before. There was not a player during the TLR era in which a player was in the minors the previous season, and with no MLB experience, was handed the job out of spring training. Even Pujols had to prove his value to be on the roster and force TLR’s hand.
With experience, does TLR begin to trust young players in leverage situations? Yes. Does he move people into those roles when he feels they are ready? Yes. Does TLR trust a prospect to be the everyday player who plays in all high leverage situations without a platoon? No.
It takes two people to have a dispute
Both parties are at fault here, if only because the situation could have been resolved a lot earlier with an olive branch.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 27, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yep, and Ozzie was always
very prideful and driven, like TLR. Ozzie’s pride and drive are what made him a great player too, so in this case I’ll happily accept a little Bad (a feud between Oz and TLR) for the Good (HOF player).
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Sportspersons can be too self-righteous to apologise?
STOP THE PRESSES!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is pretty much true in all of LaRussa's spats
Certainly Rolen and Rasmus were at least half at fault.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 27, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Edmonds has no blame
That man is borderline perfect
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Angels in the Outfeild was based on a true story
And in the sequel he played CF for the Cardinals and was part of the MV3
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
From his mesh half-shirts all the way to his frosted tips..
Jimmy Edmonds was baseball poetry.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
One of the most
entertaining players I’ve ever seen. Which is good, because baseball is entertainment.
I always laugh at the faction of fans (which was well-represented on the P-D boards during Edmonds career) that always complained that JEd was a hot dog and show-off. Like they were offended by the way he played.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Wong never does another back flip in public
and bgh has to keep claiming he saw him do it once and defending it to an ever growing group of skeptics until eventually bgh is institutionalized.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I think Azru will support my claim.
After all, we discussed it with Ryan Copeland and his girlfriend.
(So it begins…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It was verified.
But, I think his back-flipping days are over.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
F'n Royce Clayton
I blame him for the loss of game 6 (I think). He dove to his backhand side and tried to forehand the ball with the infield in. At least that’s how my 14 year old self chose to remember it. I can still see him lunging to his right with his glove turned the wrong way. That was the original “Boog would’ve”, except “Ozzie would’ve”.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You were 14 in '96?
You’re older than I figured
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Almost 15
I was born a month before the Cards acquired Ozzie! I turned 30 in November.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Started PT school later than I thought you did
30 and a new kid…nice!
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanted to get the family started sooner
but couldn’t justify doing it while going through PT school. FWIW I was in school the whole time from the time I got out of high school until I got done with PT school. I like to say I took the scenic route. Extra year at JUCO as a redshirt plus changing degrees a couple of times really stretched things out for me.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
old balls.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
actually about to have some lovely ham out of a box and potato chips.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
It says a lot about the quality of the franchise
that our darkest hours were spent in 3rd place.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I'll give Torre some credit.
On paper, they actually looked worse than they performed. They had NO HOPE of winning the division and we were thrilled to see them play .500 ball.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Also
Victor Roache broke his wrist this weekend. This could mean he falls to the cardinals now in June. Of course wrist injuries can sap power, which is his calling card. Either way, hate to see that happen to a guy who was on the verge of becoming a millionaire
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ryan Zimmerman or David Wright
who is better? i think a team would obviously rather have Zimmerman because he’s younger, but who is a better player?
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Zimmerman, by a bunch
If we were having this conversation three years ago, it’d probably be Wright. But it’s definitely Zimmerman right now.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 27, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i agree
listening to NY sports radio right now and the hosts are claiming Wright is not only as good as Zimmerman, he’s better.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
i mean, Wright, even now, is a clearly better offensive player in my eye, but he's not good in the field and Zimmerman is phenomenal.
last years foibles not counted.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
ZiPS has their offense as pretty similar, with the edge to Zim
but Wright’s fielding has declined in recent years. Gotta be Zimmerman, with two m’s.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Gah. I screwed that up.
If that’s the biggest mistake I make today, I’ll be doing alright.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
"listening to NY sports radio"
Well, there’s your first mistake.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 27, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
oh, i do that every day
provides some comedy to lighten my day
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Chicago sports radio has the same effect
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Evan Longoria
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 27, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is always the answer
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
the correct answer is
Mike Schmidt 1974
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
nah
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
that bum?
He went 0-4 the only time I saw him in person. Clearly, he stinks.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
screw you, hee seop choi.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
eh, 2004 scott rolen still happened after alex cintron.
hee seop choi can suck it though.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd for Kolten Wong backflip.
I believe, bgh!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions
Rob Rains:
Inside Baseball: Mixing of veterans and young players is working well in Cardinals camp
Five months after he was pitching for Johnson City, Tenn., in the rookie Appalachian League, Jenkins found himself this week talking with Molina and Carpenter; young pitcher Trevor Rosenthal, who was in low Class A Quad Cities last summer, was talking about pitching with Adam Wainwright, and catcher Cody Stanley, also in Quad Cities last year, was catching Wainwright’s bullpen session.
"I’ve really enjoyed it," Wainwright said. "When I go home in the offseason I really like to teach. It’s not that I’m teaching these guys but when they have questions I have answers, at least to some of the questions. The good thing about when I was coming up in the minor leagues and my first couple of years over here you had players like Matt Morris, Woody Williams and Jeff Suppan who would spend the time to talk to you and answer questions and lot of those conversations still stand out."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i twinged for a moment because it said Rains but then i got over myself
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 27, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone who is using the 1996 performance to justify Smith over Clayton
is making a mistake. You should be using the prior years performances to understand how both would have been projected. Smith would have been projected for something like a .617 OPS with a MARCEL. Clayton a .649 OPS.
Using wOBA it’s a 282 vs. 294. So Ozzie would have needed to project about 6-7 runs better than Clayton defensively. This assumes no aging curves.
So we’re talking about a 1 WAR difference in projection between two players. If the team made a decision like this now (40 year old player vs. 26 year old player who projects to be better), how would we react? I, for one, would probably lambaste the decision.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 27, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The irony of lambasting TLR for preferring the young, top prospect with better projections
over the declining, middle-infield vet is rich. And the idea that a “spring training competition” should be the deciding factor in such a circumstance is the cherry on top.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 27, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that a spring training competition shouldn't ever decide who starts.
But that isn’t the issue. The issue is that the manager explicitly stated that it would be and then went back on that statement.
Also, I’ve addressed above that normally I agree that a younger player with more upside is the way to go. However, there are franchise players like Gwynn, Ripken, Smith, Jeter, Ichiro, etc. that I believe deserve their “farewell tour” as a starter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
the thing that Tony did wrong was failing to just say that he was going to play the younger player. Saying that the position was a competition when it wasn’t was presumably an effort to make the decision look more fair to fans, which then backfired when Ozzie performed better in the spring. Ozzie had a right to be ticked about that, although I wish he would have taken it a bit more gracefully.
except we don't know what conversations were had with Smith
in the background. I’d be willing to bet it was something along the lines of : " we’re going with Royce unless he completely craps out. We’d like you to consider a secondary role on the team."
This stuff didn’t happen in the P-D sports pages. There must have been many people trying to guide this thing to a successful conclusion
Just win
Ozzie was recovering from shoulder surgery in '95.
Reason enough to think he might not be the same player.
Also, Ozzie’s ’95 BABIP was ~.060 lower than his career average. Possibly related to the surgery, possible because of declining skills, maybe luck.
In general, I’d agree about taking the old guy over the young guy, given similar projections. But I think you have to handle mortal-lock first-ballot Hall of Famers a little differently. He should have had the starting job out of ST and given the chance to play himself off the field.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that's 1996's loss, isn't it?
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
No one, including Ozzie, is saying that starting Royce was a bad decision
But if LaRussa tells Ozzie we’re going to have a competition for SS, the thought process behind that should be “Let’s see if he’s been able to recover over the off-season, and if he can’t handle the position any more, Clayton will play SS.”
This was a situation where it’s reasonable to expect that Ozzie should show that he’s fully recovered, and it’s reasonable for him to expect that if he does so he can keep his starting job.
Instead, LaRussa was thinking, “OK Ozzie’s done, let’s prove it to him.”
“Well, shit, that didn’t work. Let’s tell him he was worse anyway, because I think Clayton will do better.”
He should have just told Ozzie to begin with, “Clayton will start because you’re 42 years old, coming off of surgery, and coming off of a bad year. If I play you every day, you get hurt again, and maybe not something you can come back from.”
by Chocobot on Feb 27, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Marcel does assume an aging curve
I would also think that Ozzie was a better defender, despite his age. So it’s probably not a 1 WAR difference.
Anyway, the issue was that Tony said to Ozzie that it would be a competition, when he had made up his mind already (not necessarily a bad thing, but that’s Ozzie’s grievance).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I should clarify that a simple Marcel weighting of those seasons.
Tango uses some aging curve in his marcel’s, I just parcel out the 5/4/3 weights.
I don’t really care if you “think” Ozzie was a better defender since you were like 1 year old at the time and hence can’t have any relevant personal input on that topic. Neither can I beyond my very deep skepticism that a 26 year old Royce Clayton (who was well regarded defensively) was a worse than a 40 something post-surgery Ozzie Smith. My suspicion is that you’re letting Ozzie’s reputation overshadow Clayton’s while disregarding the realities of their relative ages at the time. You’re on the wrong side of logical premises in that opinion of yours.
I’m not arguing that Tony executed his decision properly, simply that it was a right decision and this hindsight TLR pillory event that some are taking to in the comments, is misplaced.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
ok I agree with all of that
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's assuming that Boog could actually pay attention to Ozzie long enough
to learn.
That guy made me nervous just to watch him, but I still wish we had him back.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
I like this sentiment
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Its hard for me to love the older players
like Hornsby, Musial, Gibson, Brock, etc. because I never saw them play. I look back and awe at their accomplishments, but I never experienced their greatness firsthand and felt the joy of their feats as I watched the game.
Ozzie, however, was playing when I became a Cardinals fan as a kid, and I got to thrill at his defensive wizardry. He has always been my favorite player. I happened to be in the stadium when he got his 500th SB (he promptly stole third for 501) and when he got his 1999 hit (we were all rooting for 2000, but it took a couple of games as I recall). I was certain at the time I was watching a HOF player.
Of course the year after he retired, we obtained McGwire, and at the time (and I still hold this opinion) I was certain I was watching a HOF player (by ‘98, anyway). Then during McGwire’s final year, we added Pujols, and I have felt certain over these past few years I was watching a HOF player. Now that Albert is gone, are we due another “certain” HOF player or was that streak simply too good to be true? It lasted 20 seasons, after all. (although I was too young to enjoy a lot of Ozzie’s early years with the Cardinals).
Sure!
Lance Berkman is going to play here for 3 more years on very team-friendly contracts and retire as a HOF’er!
Oh, and Beltran is going to have a renaissance, his knees will heal up, and he will also retire as a Cardinal HOF’er.
Oh, and Waino will throw 215 innings of fantastic ball, win 23 games this year and preview 10 more years of greatness on his way to the Hall.
And Molina will sign a 5 year extension and retire as the best defensive catcher of all time with a very adequate bat and he will go to the Hall.
And Shelby Miller will be promoted and show us what we’re in for as he proceeds to win ROY next year, 4 CY Young’s and also go to the Hall of Fame.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Shelby wins all of those CY Youngs
after Waino retires in 2024
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
In reality,
they will probably MV3 each other and some dude from another team will win the Cy, even though Waino and Miller were the two best pitchers in the league.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Also, we basically had 3 straight HOF managers
Whitey, Torre, TLR. Does this bode well for Matheny?
I don't think any conclusions can be drawn from the hirings of previous ownership groups.
That being said, I think that, like TLR, Matheny will benefit from having a good ownership group willing to spend enough to be competitive. Unlike TLR, Matheny is also inheriting a healthy farm system that should help him in the future.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
with Red as the stopgap in the middle!
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
i don't think discussing about who you will for for is acceptable political discourse for this blog.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'm not sure who to blame for the Ozzie/TLR fiasco
but, I am sure that I am really happy to have him back around the team.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Hearing Jack call that HR always gives me goosebumps
He was the best
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Listening to the old games on DVD with Buck doing play-by-play is really enjoyable.
He was so great at calling baseball games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah during a rain delay earlier in the year
They played about ten minutes of the broadcast leading up to “Go Crazy Folks”. It was so so great. Jack was awesome. Shannon was enjoyable to listen to (primarily because he talked so much less). I always love hearing Jack’s voice.
My dad recorded a bunch of games off the radio onto cassette in the 80s
I need to see if these are still playable
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 27, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
the old school guys like jack and vin scully
beat the new crop by a mile.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 27, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Few things are unavailable on the internet
by brackenthebox on Feb 27, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that's the best website
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for finding that.
That, my friends, was a good old-fashioned feud. (Though dueling pistols were not involved, so not THAT old-fashioned.)
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
No matter which side you fall on with TLR vs. Ozzie, here's another thing to keep in mind...
After retiring, Ozzie still lives in St. Louis, is involved in the community, and still wants to be involved with the Cardinal organization. I can’t say the same thing about TLR on any of those counts.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
Also questionable is whether TLR would make anyone a tuna melt
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Feb 27, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really can't fault La Russa for wanting to live in NoCal then, um, here...
The bunting, sure. The double switches, absolutely. But not where he lives.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ray Vinson can't hook him up with a sweet mortgage in Cali, though.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
You got that right!
o/
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how many current Cardinal players spend their offseason in STL
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Are you sure about those? I know Freese and McClellan, obviously, because they’re from here, but I thought Carp lived in New Hampshire, and I really have no idea about Holliday, but I guess I assumed west coast.
FWIW, I’m with Alxfritz on this one. If I made millions per year, I wouldn’t live in St Louis in the winter.
Former Cardinal, current player
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
He's a complicated man, and no one understands him but his woman
John Mabry
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. Brad Peacock hasn't developed a lot of secondary pitches yet.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
I actually went fishing with him once a few years ago
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
TLR has been back to STL a few times after the Series
IIRC
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Goold gives us a look at the new Cardinals commercials.
The whole post is worth a read as it gives some detailed descriptions of the forthcoming spots.
Jaime Garcia, Daniel Descalso, and World Series MVP David Freese were part of a shoot Sunday that had each players finding leftover confetti in their gear. Lance Lynn and Wainwright were scheduled to shoot a commercial where Lynn introduces Wainwright to his "Twitterer," an intern charged with tweeting Lynn’s instant thoughts "’cause I say funny stuff sometimes." Holliday filmed his role in a spot that will also feature Mitchell Boggs and the bullpen. (Aside: For the spot, Holliday put on a jersey with the World Series sleeve patch the Cardinals will wear. You can see the pic here.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'll theoretical your commercial world.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 27, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sweet
Lance Lynn @rance_a_rot Close
Cougar hunting like its my job
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
That guy has some wisdom
“Sharks can only be found in 2 places on earth: the northern and southern hemispheres”
Also, he has introduced me to testicle tuesdays..hmm..
Livan Hernandez's voodoo is working on Luhnow.
This means Hernandez will likely shutout the Cards at some point this year. From Twitter:
Saw Livan’s euphus curveball up close today… several hitters popped it up.My knees buckled and I was behind the screen!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) February 27, 2012
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
IIRC hernandez has been a cardinal killer over the years
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 27, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
7-7, 4.40 ERA. 92/46 K/BB in 139 IP
He’s basically been Livan Hernandez (174-176, 4.39 ERA).
"He probably misses his old glasses."
2.26 SO:BB ratio against Cardinals, 2.26 SO:BB ratio for his career
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Livan Hernandez was who we thought he was
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That was Bud Norris
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I stand corrected
Clearly Bud Norris willed himself to getting better results against us. That’s what winners do, pitch to the level of competition and pitch to the score.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Unless my narrative requires winners to always play to win no matter what the circumstance
In those cases it’s different.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Gotta admire a guy
who logs that many innings. And 350 career decisions! How rare is that?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
wait - are you saying zoomzoom posted a
Pessimistic prediction that was unsupported, or even counterfactual? I find that hard to believe!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 27, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
I love these chats
larry,fenton: Jeff Fischer strikes me as a mans man. Safe to assume he knows what it takes to get on top and have staying power?
Tony Softli: What?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Where is your second (or first) question?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
My mistake.
I thought it was in that chat and couldn’t figure out which one it might be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cardinals warn players about social media
The organization’s warning about using Twitter and other social media responsibly was underscored in personal letters sent by Matheny to minor leaguers. “Making sure that they are careful,” Matheny said. “They need to realize that every stupid thing they put out there gets to my desk and gets to Mo’s desk, and if they’re thinking properly that’s not necessarily what they want. … I think guys forget that they’re not just talking to their friends, that that’s hitting the world.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
this can only be a good thing
Some of those young guys put out some pretty stupid stuff sometimes.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Agreed.
I think they should have a class on it, too. A letter is good and all but I think they need to get the message to them when they report to rookie ball or wherever and then reinforce the message.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think social media
Is slowly breaking the grip on people pretending to be perfect all the time in public situations, obviously especially famous people. What a stupid construct where we want people to be fake. The Rob Gronkowski method of just not giving a fuck about dancing in a club or what have you is awesome—-as though somehow that will affect his ability to be the best tight end in the league 7 months later when the season starts. These dudes throw baseballs for a living, unless you’re posting illegal/racist/offensive stuff (in which case the larger problem is that they shouldn’t be doing illegal/racist/offensive things, not them tweeting about it), who cares?
This is my own personal pet peeve on society: I love the “be careful, employers will look at your facebook!” mentality. As though they didn’t go to college and do the same stuff. Can one of the European VEBers tell me if Europe is PC in this way?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 27, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a big difference between drinking or doing silly things and taking pics of you doing these things and posting them on Facebook.
There is also a difference between commenting about such activities on Facebook. The warning about doing so because employers will look at your Facebook page is not illegitimized by the fact that the one giving it drank in college. There’s a developing trend in Iowa where employers are seeking every single social networking I.D. name you have and, if the account is private, the passwords for each private account. The potential ramifications with employers is real. I encounter it once or twice per month.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah I don't understand the need to put your private life on faceboook
that’s just dumb.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
mostly egoism
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 27, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
(is the reason why people say and put ridiculous things on facebook)
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 27, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Its really much more simple than that
You post things you want to talk about with your peers, when they are not hanging out with you. You then have conversations about the topic. Better to discuss it there than while drunk at a bar imo.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Furthermore
If people are going to judge how i do a job by what i put on my social networks i really would rather not be around people that stupid
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What it boils down to is an indirect form of censorship
Which is all the fashion these days
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Absolutely it's feeding your ego
And you know what telling the same story to your buddies in person is? Feeding your ego. It’s a pretty natural thing that human beings do.
Not afraid to nitpick
Indeed
i dont get the fear and paranoia about the internet
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well in fairness
A lot of people are horribly narcissistic detailing whether their next dump will be taken upstairs or downstairs. But social life events? That just goes on facebook now, there’s no narcissism to it.
Not afraid to nitpick
Just call me out by my name, asshole
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 27, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know anyone that details every aspect their life in social media
I hear it as an example often enough but never seen an example of it in my life
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see the problem with it
It used to be great when it first came out for only people in college. I had to delete everything as soon as it became public.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
The idea that using facebook or twitter as a tool in hiring
While you are spying on them is quite ludicrous, but that is the world we live in i guess.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh I know it's real (I put my privacy settings all the way up and changed my last name when I started my job search and have left them there)
But it’s stupid that it is. They shouldn’t really care about anything non-illegal—-I know I won’t and I’ll be willing to bet the younger generation that will have grown up with social media really won’t.
Privacy is dying/dead, and I don’t really think it’s a bad thing either. Hell, our last three Presidents have admitted to smoking pot one way or the other and I’m willing to bet they’ve been stupid drunk at times (I’m not getting into politics dem/republican or legalization at all, just the fact that PRESIDENTS partied). Would it really be any worse if there was a picture of them with bloodshot eyes? To say it would be is just willfully ignoring the reality that those things happened. There’s just going to be no more pretending, that’s the only difference. We still have to pretend—-I do/did—-but eventually we won’t.
There’s a big difference between drinking or doing silly things and taking pics of you doing these things and posting them on Facebook.
There is no difference between these things anymore for people under-25. That’s just where pictures go instead of in a box or on a harddrive.
Not afraid to nitpick
I agree with you about the changing attitudes toward such things as one looks at younger demographics.
I also think it’s by and large a silly thing. In Iowa, a teacher was fired for Facebooking a picture of her holding a beer. It’s absurd. That being said, it will take a while for this to trickle up to decision makers. Privacy is dead. Part of it is attitudes and part of it is technology. One component of the death of privacy is the fact that companies are getting so much more information about people before they hire them than in the past. And it is something for folks entering the job force to keep in mind because I think employers will only become more thorough in their information gathering about prospective employees.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And then they will figure out that the employees they censored were as good or better than the loyal peons they thought would work better
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh it's going to take 20 years at least
But everyone will be better off when we stop putting up the public charades. It’s a GOOD thing that employers will have more information about potential employees and the like, they just need to actually be reasonable in how they interpret anything. We’re gonna figure out that pretty much every teacher in Iowa has a picture of them holding a beer.
In the mean time, I love the athletes who are set for life who aren’t concerned whether a few fans are offended that they have the gall to live normally.
Not afraid to nitpick
Thats the thing is that people shouldnt judge things that they obviously have no place in judging
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
As it is true in many parts of life
We need the old people to die first
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
What i was thinking
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The site I show people to scare them about privacy
Pipl It can pull up a large amount of data. In Missouri at least anyone can pull anyone’s court records with Case.net also
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would delete accounts before I hand over passwords
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Also, giving out your facebook password breaks the TOS of Facebook.
So you could probably make a solid argument that you can’t give them your password
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Companies are able to get into private accounts nowadays
Which seems totally illegal to me but i suppose they made a loophole. Fbook has been getting access to peoples txt msging services is the latest invasion.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Totally agree
Who gives a fuck what people think about your online social network profile?
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 5:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I was referring more to things like Tyrell Jenkins putting his phone number on twitter
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I follow quite a few minor league Cardinals
Tyrell Jenkins is really the only one that posts stupid stuff. But he does it every day though
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Can you give the cliff notes version?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn, I meant to post that an hour ago
They talked about their work with the young guys, trying to keep things simple and not overwhelm. Ozzie said he loved being back in camp: the smell of the grass, sounds of baseball, etc. They both really enjoy being down there, but stopped short saying that they would want to manage full time. Willie has kids so it’s not possible for him at this time, but maybe later. Ozzie said its different when you sign a contract and there is pressure on you. He’s just having fun. They had a to leave to tee time to catch.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of money Jocketty gave Marshall.
#Reds make it official: They have agreed to a three-year extension with Sean Marshall.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) February 27, 2012
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Interesting use of resources...
Marshall three-year extension with #Reds worth $16.5M. #MLB
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) February 27, 2012
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wow, that's a lot of money
I assume they’re not going to try to resign both Brandon Phillips and Votto…
By gosh!
by hr on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
And quite a few years.
Given reliever volatility, these types of deals typically are not good ones. (I’m glad the Cards appear willing to go year-to-year with Motte, for example.) In the Reds’ case, add to it the Votto and Phillips situations and the Marshall extension makes even less sense to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
one day
Jocketty’s ill advised extensions will stop being funny. But it is not this day!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
At leat Jim Bowden approves.
Walt Jocketty and Reds signing of Sean Marshall was necessary to make the trade a successful one from Reds perspective#congrats
— JIM BOWDEN (@JimBowdenESPNxm) February 27, 2012
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There so much
wrong with Bowden’s statement I don’t even know where to begin …
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
"the trade looked underwhelming when it was for just one
Year, so doubling down on it and commiting a lot of money to a reliever was the only way to save face!"
In fairness, marshall is probably worth the money. However, it seems like a terrible place to spend money right now, when the reds don’t have much money, and have a lot of bills coming due (not just votto and phillips, since they won’t re-sign either, but guys getting expensive in arb, like bruce, and holes opening around the club with an almost tapped out farm).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 27, 2012 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Bowden the
guy who threw a shitload of $$ at Christian Guzman with the Nationals a few years ago?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Actually that day already came, in the winter 2007/spring 2007
Then we waited an unsuccessful yeah and traded him in or a newer model with a soured up farm engine. Now it’s funny again
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
does jocketty have to answer to anyone?
i am just a casual observer and thinks he makes some dumbass extensions.
if he were playing with any of your moneys would you have allowed this? or the arroyo contract?
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
Welcome back, Ozzie
Welcome back,
TLR was your ticket out.
Welcome back,
To that same old place that you turned backflips at.
Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But TLR has vacated and you’ve come around.
Who’d have thought Matheny (Who’d have thought Matheny)
could snag a defensive genius (could snag a defensive genius)
Yeah McGee teases him a lot cause their old and we’re not, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
Mr. Kot-AIR
I’m guessing this reference is a little dated for 80% of the VEB crowd, but it’s appreciated anyway. As Barbarino would say, “what…where……what…..”
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Now you've gotta
tell us who the Sweathogs are. (In ST, I guess all the players …)
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Love me some Wizard
Loved his play, loved his leadership, oved his artistry, loved his style, loved those teams of the 80s, with their speed and defense and sac bunts and hit and runs and batshit characters and classic comebacks and bitter meltdowns.
Can’t say I love TLR; he’s just not the loveable type. But I sure as hell appreciate what he did for the franchise, helping bring 3 pennants and two impossible WS titles.
Call me neutral in this fight.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
It creates a great marketing/base building
opportunity for the Cardinals. The TLR/Pujols era was so long it really defined the team in the minds of a lot of people, especially outside STL. With them gone the team can capitalize on the glorious history of the franchise to reconnect with fans and move forward. Not a lot of teams could do that.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I could have done without some of those bitter meltdowns.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
well, 26 years later
it takes the edge off the sting.
but really, fuck you Dane Iorg. And fuck you, Dan Denkinger. May you rest in peace…
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Well I went to class drunk today
wasn’t as fun as I thought it would be.. just really made me want to not be in class.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
What time did you start?
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
7
had a couple of shots then took a shower, then i got some breakfast and poured the rest in my hot chocolate.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
i'm shocked that Fritz could be disgusted at something
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
same here
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently I draw the line at doing shots of alcohol at 7 in the morning. Good to know.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
well i was on a weird schedule
i slept on sunday from 1 PM to 12 and stayed up last night writing an essay. so it’s night like i woke up and drank.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't see how this was a normal thing to do
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
alright
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Would you have when you were 18 and a freshman?
Contextualize the source.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
No
I partied on the weekends. I went to class hungover so many times that I can’t put a number on it. I’ve never gotten up at 7:00 to drink, and then go to class
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
do everything once...
most of those things will turn out to be bad ideas, but at least you know.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Feb 27, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't have to do EVERYTHING once to know whether it's a bad idea or not
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I think I did it once. It’s a phase. He’ll grow out of it. (Or he’ll wind up some kind of Jewish Dan McLaughlin.)
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 27, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Should I feel
guilty that I found this funny enough to rec?
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
I just said I didn't get up at 7
I had already been up for a few hours. either way, not sure why it’s so weird.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I just think it's incredibly disrespectful to the teacher
I don’t think any less of you for it or anything, because I’ve done some crazy stupid shit, but this is something that I drew the line at, personally
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
that's pretty weird
the only person I’m effecting is myself, not the teacher. hell i laughed at her jokes more.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
if i was in school
i would agree with you, but when you’re paying several thousand currencies for the education, then it’s your call really. So long as you don’t stumble up to the tutor and say “you’re by mesht friend! if we was in a fight, i wouldn’t hit you!”
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Feb 27, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's one way of looking at it.
Another way is that going to school is your job.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
A lot of design agencies and Ad agencies drink at work?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
time of day is relative
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
When I worked third shift
I’d drink when I got home at like eight. It always felt weird like “I’ve been up for twelve hours and already put in a shift, but there something not quite right here.”
"He probably misses his old glasses."
so you've never drunk at work
or you’ve never drunk at work during a time when most people had just gotten up?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I've never drunk before or during work or school.
Been hungover plenty of times, though.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Wait, I may have drunk beers in the womens bathroom at Office Depot during a blizzard in 99.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was in love once.
She was Brazilian… or Chinese, or something weird. I met here in the bathroom of a K-Mart and we made out for hours.
Then we parted ways, never to see each other again.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 27, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You sure she wasn't some sort of Spanish?
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
by a fink on Feb 27, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or maybe Italian
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
hair of the dog, maybe?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
they drink at my work
fridge is usually pretty well stocked with brew
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
i definitely did this
once or twice, though it was for a late afternoon class. can’t think of many things worse than 7 am shots
You must really hate mondays.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
just my writing class
2 f’ing hours!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'll pretend you're getting ready for st pats in Rolla
10 days straight of drinking. A lot of students show up drunk for that shortened week
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the main thing is that you tried
you woke up early, you got hammered, you went to class. the honor is in the effort
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
usually just makes me want to fall asleep
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
My head is spinning.
Round Two: Where does Jon Jay fit into this year’s Cardinals outfield?
Everyone raises the idea of Schumaker in center, even lboros:
He’s their best defensive CF by far. Combine that with Beltran’s stated reluctance to tax his knees in center, and Jay appears to be in line for 130 to 140 starts. Of course, that assumes he continues to hit at the levels of 2010-11. I think he’ll do that and more. If Jay should wash out, then Skip Schumaker likely gets the bulk of the playing time in CF.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If Schumaker gets the bulk of playing time in CF at any point this season
I will poop in a hat and smash it against my monitor out of primal frustration.
Take pictures for VEB
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Could be worse
We could have Theriot as our starting SS
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 27, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Part of the problem is that
the Cardinals have so few guys on the roster than can manage center. Skip is not a good option, but he’s way more likely to see time there than Holliday, Craig, Berkman, etc. We really really need Beltran to play in center at least some of the time.
I'd say Chambers is probably the best defensive center fielder on the 40-man roster.
The problem is that he is redundant as a hitter because both he and Jay hit left-handed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
As a cheerleader from the bench chambers is drastically better than jay
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 27, 2012 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well if Jay
“washes out” as a result of injury you could DL him and then Chambers becomes a reasonable choice.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
If it's not a Cat
it’s a dog
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 27, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I still can't get over the fact
the Astros ran Berk out there in CF at one time.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea how much I now want a video of this
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 8:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just read that story, and I had somehow totally missed the fact that Jay played in almost every game
(159) last season. If I’d had to guess prior to reading that I’d have said he played in 110-120 games. No idea where that discrepancy came from.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 27, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
!
RT @SportsNightKTRS: KTRS Sports reports #Cardinals finalizing & announcing a deal w C Yadier Molina within next 72 hrs. Reports say minimum 5 yr deal. #stlcards
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
nice!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
188 followers!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah
I won’t believe anything from KTRS until it actually happens when it comes to breaking signings
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Oh great, now JC Corcoran is reporting it
I expect Yadi to be abducted by aliens by the end of the week.
[This post my contain statements that are less than half true]
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 27, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not that it's suprising,
but Rosenthal reports 4 to 5 years and a $10 to $12MM AAV. That sounds about right.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
4/48!!
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
And ownership of the Hall of Fame Sports Bar and Grill in Westport.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
They could put some neck tats on Albert's statue.
Voila! It’s Yadi!
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It may need to eat a couple more cheeseburgers
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 27, 2012 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be great, but I think it'll be something closer to 5/55.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Me too. I think they are gonna end up overpaying
A bit, but I am ok with that. My guess is 5/.60m
by mick311 on Feb 27, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although .60m is much better than 60 million
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i don't know but joe strauss says one of yadi's best friends' sister's boyfriend's brothers girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's
going with the girl who saw yadi talking to john mozeliak at 31 Flavors last night.
i guess it’s pretty serious.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
I believe he was heard telling everyone to "blow themselves."
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 27, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.....
Just about had to be done with our weak system (in regards to catchers), and what I believe to be a poor catching market the next couple of years. Factor in Duncan leaving, and a lot of new faces, and this is simply the smart thing to do.
Speaking of catchers and contracts
the Royals have signed Salvador Perez to a 5 year contract (plus three years of club options) that is reportedly worth a guaranteed $7M, and up to $26.75M.
If so, that is a steal – 1.4 fWAR in 39 games in KC last year at the end of the year.
Even if he pans out on the low end of his potential, that's a good deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I love this song so much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skb9cn6q0lw
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Which version?
There are literally about 100 recorded versions of this song.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
So, I heard something on the radio about Wainwright skipping a scheduled day or throwing off the mound
and decided to throw in the outfield instead. Something was said about discomfort.
Should I just go ahead and stick my head in the oven?
Langosch reported this yesterday:
Adam Wainwright will throw another session of live batting practice on Tuesday. The Cardinals are not divulging when he will make his first game-appearance next month. He seems to be in a place where he’d be ready to pitch in games now, but he’ll have to deal with the fact that there are no games to play for another week.
I can only assume that The Wizard is casting some sort of fielding spell on Freese.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 27, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
"Talk to the hand, David. Do you get what I'm saying?"
“… Um, it’s not the 1990s anymore, mister Ozzie.”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 27, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"now, when i snap my fingers twice, you will perform a backflip . . . ."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 27, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh goodness
please no flips from Mr. Freese and his glass ankles
Stop. Yes, I know you are from St. Louis. Ryan Howard told me.
by TBender on Feb 27, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
"and then I was like woosh, and tony retired"
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yo, David Freese, I'm real happy for you and Imma let you finish, but I had the best walk off homer OF ALL TIME
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 26 recs
"go crazy folks" > "we will see you tomorrow"
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
because there's never a wrong time:
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
never thought of ozzie speaking like that
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
this sounds much more awkward than I intended
please disregard
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Racist
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
ok
well, Ozzie may not like the portrayal is all I was thinking? whatevs!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
See, white people hit walk off homers like this...
But black people hit walk off homers like THIS!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
"I grant you Bat of Musial, Glove of Oz, Speed of Brock, and tweets of TortyCraig"
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Feb 27, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey David - look what I'm doing to young Mr. Greene.
I’m crushing his head! I crush it!
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 27, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Red Light!
Green Light!
Red Light!
Green Li….
RED LIGHT!
You win this time David.
By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 27, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey David, does anyone ever try and shoot freeze rays at you, since, yknow, your name's Freese
heh heh heh
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This would also work perfectly if it were Mike Shannon in the picture.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yeah, I wish he was standing there watching the two
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Reading things like this still make me shiver. Can't believe it happened..
“An infielder who entered 2011 with five career home runs hit as many in 18 playoff games. He batted .397, drove in a Major League-record 21 runs and extended Game 6 of the World Series with a two-out, two-strike, game-tying hit in the ninth, only to top that by sending the Series to a seventh game with a solo home run two innings later.”
From Langosch article today http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120227&content_id=26876458&vkey=news_stl&c_id=stl&tcid=tw_article_26876458
I can't believe it happened either
And I also think it’s setting everyone up for some intense disappointment when Freese isn’t a star player this year. I’d peg him for more like a .350 wOBA, maybe less — ZiPS has him at a .320 wOBA.
That said, I’m one of the people who still think Freese’s power has the potential to really blossom, so I do think there’s upside, I just don’t think we can reasonably expect it based on a nice playoff run.
He was Albert Pujols
for almost the entire playoff run. I think everybody knows he ain’t really AP.
I have a feeling about his power too. Hope we’re right.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 27, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think the craziest part of his playoff hitting was that Pujols has had entire seasons that actually came pretty close to being as good as Freese's world series
Freese 2011 World Series:
.348/.464/.696
Pujols 2008 season:
.357/.462/.653
Pujols 2003 season:
.359/.439/.667
Pujols 2006:
.331/.431/.671
Pujols 2009:
.327/.443/.658
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Of course, Freese hit like a Greek God would in the NLCS.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Kevin Youkilis?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Stole this!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
If Al Hrabosky were named the worst announcer in baseball,
I would defend him as only being the second worst…behind Harrelson.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
bgh
Weren’t you the poster who said in the Rasmus re-hash the other day that we could not use Tony LaRussa’s quotes to determine what happened in the situation since he was a part of it and not a partial bystander?
If so, why the hell are you bashing LaRussa using Ozzie’s quotes to determine what happened if he was part of it and not a partial bystander?
I see it from a more neutral standpoint
I think the two big egos colliding was a big part of it….. But at the time i must admit it did make some sense to bench Ozzie as much as i love the guy… He was not really able to throw the ball well at the end of his career, and didnt clayton come in via trade as a pretty highly touted prospect?
Anyway, bgh took issue with larussa arriving on the scene and not treating Ozzie with enough respect, and not being more direct with him. But thats just larussas managing style i think.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 6:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not that I remember.
I’m almost always the opposite. I go to quotes from people with skin in the game.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Don't see this posted but MLBTR is quoting Strauss
Saying “terms (Molina extension) are all but finalized”
by mick311 on Feb 27, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wonder what kind of contract he's getting
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I heard $60 to $75mil a possibility
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Over 60 is bad as it is, cue meltdown if its 75
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Molina five-year extension with #STLCards is north of $60M. SoloDeportes reported $75M. Unconfirmed. #MLB
If it's $75M
It better be for 7 years through his age 35 season – with the last two being club options, and having part of that $75 in it.
even 5/60 seems high
was hoping for 4/44 or something, now were talking 60+ million?
and i refuse to believe mo would get bent over like that and give 75 million guaranteed. please no.
I can live with overpaying a little and predicted 5/60m,
But I hope its not any more than 60-65m gaurenteed. If there are a couple club options on the end thats fine but 75m seems ridiculously high.
by mick311 on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
o_o
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
by il rosso on Feb 27, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This face is so awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i think o_o is more of a "thousand yard stare".
whereas o_O is shocked and surprised.
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
by il rosso on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
well, we are about to find out who was more important, Duncan or Yadi
maybe Dunc will come back? doubt it
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
i really doubt he can kneel for a full game anymore
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 28, 2012 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
i've used up my indignation engines this offseason.
here’s to higher than expected production from our backstop over the next five years, here’s to his knees lasting the next five years, here’s to yadi getting to jump with glee at least one more time at the end of a world series.
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
by il rosso on Feb 27, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
5/75 would be crazy talk
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions
I would think it would be at least 6 years
If we are going 70+m
by mick311 on Feb 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
like a week old. where you been?!
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough.
hard to blame you.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
He designed the website! He deserves that crap!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh come on.
why am i still getting crap about the website?
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S HILARIOUS.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean it's sooooo shitty.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It looks like it was made in 1995
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 27, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have rec'd all of these posts disparaging fang's shitty website
as a protest for him not showing up to VEB night. He said he would, and then he didn’t.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
He won't forget this web-slap anytime soon. I'll assure you of that.
It’s at least as bad a slash with a knife.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
i got 100% on the assignment, assholes.
points/minute is all that matters.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
que?
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 27, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessimg 62m gaurenteed...
6/75m total, 6th year option is for 15m with a 2m buyout.
I wonder if they would defer any money
by mick311 on Feb 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Damnit. Mo has been drunk GMing again.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
lol
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Got up at 7 AM and just started doing shots.
by the end of the day, Yadi was signed for 7/195 and Mo was making Westbrook give him piggyback rides while calling him “NOT OSWALT.”
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 27, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YADIPALOOZA THREAD
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Didn't TLR treat Andy Van Slyke similarly after a good spring training in 97?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 27, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions
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