Wainwright's Curve Doesn't Necessarily Keep Beltran Up At Night
by bgh on Feb 24, 2012 3:41 PM EST
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In Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS, Carlos Beltran dug in against then-rookie closer Adam Wainwright in the bottom of the ninth inning. The Cardinals led 3-1 on the strength of Yadier Molina's go-ahead home run. The Mets loaded the bases on a couple of singles and a walk. Beltran, the Cardinals bogeyman of the 2004 NLCS, came to bat. Wainwright got ahead on two pitches and then froze Beltran with one of the nastiest curve balls ever thrown. Beltran froze. The ball went from twelve to six right over the plate. The umpire called strike three. The Cardinals won the pennant.
The Cardinals signing Beltran provided a great reason to dig up footage of that wonderful pitch. Not to say that there ever needs to be a reason to watch that beautiful pitch. I mean, just look at it. That might be the most beautiful pitch ever thrown in a baseball game. Even though this pitch should be celebrated regularly on its own merits, Beltran's signing with the Cards understandably caused fans to recall the last magical postseason run for the Redbirds even as we were still glowing from the club's most recent installment in the annals of St. Louis October lore. Along with the giffs of the last strike of the final out of the NLCS came jokes about Beltran no longer having to face Wainwright.
The problem with these jokes is that the NLCS Game 7 ending strikeout is the only out Beltran has ever made against Wainwright.
In response to Beltran reporting to camp, someone tweeted another joke about Beltran fearing Wainwright's curve ball. This got me to thinking and, honestly, the only time I remember the two players facing one another was that fateful 2006 NLCS at-bat. I suspect that a lot of Cardinals fans are in the same boat as me in this regard--hence the jokes. So I decided to go to the invaluable Baseball-Reference.com and look up the Wainwright-versus-Beltran splits. Surprisingly, Beltran owns Wainwright.
Okay, so "owns" is a bit strong as the pitcher and batter have faced each other in only five plate appearances. It is the smallest of sample sizes and vitually meaningless, even if it could very well have meant enough to Tony La Russa during his managing days to be determinative in the filling out of his lineup card. Nevertheless, that knee-buckling Game 7 strikeout was the only time Wainwright retired Beltran. Here is Beltran's line against Wainwright: 5 PA, 2 H (1 2B), 2 BB, 1 RBI, 1 SO, .667 BA, .800 OBP, 1.000 SLG, 1.800 OPS.
It's an interesting look at the human mind, how one plate appearance on the grandest of National League stages can push aside all other faceoffs between a pitcher and hitter. Even if "all" of those other encounters only total four, it's clear that Wainwright the pitcher doesn't seem to give Beltran nightmares even if memories of that Game 7 NLCS at-bat might.
One more thing, lest you go worrying about Beltran's clutchyness. Remember his 2004 NLCS as an Astro, when he thumped the Cardinals with the following line in seven games: 32 PA, 12 R, 10 H, 4 HR, 5 RBI, .417 BA, .563 OBP, .958 SLG, 1.521 OPS. (It was as if he was possessed by the spirit of Jeffrey Leonard.) With his .366 BA, .485 OBP, .817 SLG, and 1.302 OPS, Beltran has also been excellent in all his 22 postseason games played. Fresh off a .910 OPS in 2011 that ranked in MLB's top 15, Beltran ought to be "a good fit" for the Cards indeed.
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i always remembered
him batting righty in that ab..guess i was wrong
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Could watch this all day
My musings.
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by bearcatcardfan on Feb 25, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
camera views
I once read an article at Slate about baseball camera views that argued that the behind-the-pitcher view is better than the just-to-pitcher’s-right view and wondered why more telecasts don’t use it. I think that video and gif prove the point. Wainwright’s pitch looks great in the video but you can see the break even better from the camera that faces the plate from directly behind the mound.
And really, that gif ought to be on Wikipedia as an illustration for the “curveball” article. That is absurd. That is the perfect curveball. Carlos Beltran certainly has nothing to feel bad about there.
It's stupid that they haven't gone to the behind the pitcher view
It’s just objectively better, but people don’t like change.
Not afraid to nitpick
The anals of St. Louis October lore
Great typo.
Seriously, though, I’m very excited to see Beltran in a Cardinals uniform, and for 2 years, it’s even better.
You're an anal of St. Louis October lore!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LURKER
Yes – I came out of my mom’s basement where I regularly lurk to comment on ‘GLOWING IN THE ANALS OF ST. LOUIS LORE’.
What an awesome typo. Not much gets me to comment, but that was totally worth it.
jp
by jpmorgan5150 on Feb 24, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
And one more comment...
I’ll never forget seeing the Met’s fan father and son, both crying, after he struck out. It was my favorite moment of the 2006 playoffs. Other than seeing Duncan dry hump the trophy.
jp
by jpmorgan5150 on Feb 24, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, absolutely.
My formative baseball years were during the great Cards/Mets rivalry in the 80s. Then there was 2000. 2006 exacted a great vengeance, indeed.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Your enthusiasm for the typo nearly caused me to leave it unedited for your enjoyment.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you find them right inside busch stadium's back door.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 24, 2012 11:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is the last thread worth reading?
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions
thanks, scoot!
glad i wasn’t wasting my time reading the thread while waiting for an answer.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Want a summary?
Braun, Braun, Puma is awesome, stupid Rasmus, rasmus fight, can we please not talk about Braun?, link to this post.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
thanks!
sounds like something i don’t want to read.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
But you'll miss out on the Rheal Cormier beer label!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that beer label deserves to be green.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he doesn't deserve those
plus they came from goold’s twitter and facebook, so he’s already seen them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Swoooosh
Greatest single pitch in Cardinal history. I just hope they don’t have a blown up pic mounted somewhere in the clubhouse, so Beltran has to look at it every time he suits up! YIKES!
CliffNotes: "My Dad wanted me to be a baseball player!"
Roy Hobbs: "The Natural"
Why was Cleto moved up so quickly last year?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Boog guilt: what I feel every time I look under my desk
by dan on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 16 recs
Rec'd so freaking hard it hurt me!
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
damn, brother, I don't think I woulda told that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
where's my mobile rec button?
Guess this will have to do
Come on, baseball
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 24, 2012 8:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd go with 100 mph
He was pretty well dominating A+ and AA. For a guy who can touch 101 mph, you probably need him facing better hitters to develop if he’s having that kind of success. Getting bombed in the big leagues was probably the best thing that could have happened for his development.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 24, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I seriously doubt there was a more well-traveled ball player last year.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it had something to do with Lynn joining the big league bullpen and Cleto pitching well in AA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But, I mean, there were other, older, more accomplished pitchers at AA to move up, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Were there?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
100mph fastball, not viewed as a long term prospect at the time (though that's probably changed)
So starting his clock didn’t seem to matter at the time, just a little but of team need, etc. etc.. . .
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
because he was already on the 40 man and they needed someone on short notice
that was capable of performing mop up duties, IIRC
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yes - this is one of the big reasons he was traded
He was already on the seattle 40-man and couldn’t be removed w/o going through waivers.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 24, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh Bruan
The truth didn’t prevail to prove you innocent. You got off on a technicality. You would have been so much better to follow Big Mac’s example and answered “not here to talk about the past”
Grit != flat out sucking.
Could've sworn I clicked on the NEW thread...
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
it's the reigning NL MVP being the first person to beat a positive drug test in the MLB
it’s a bigger story than Berkman’s mustache.
Grit != flat out sucking.
No story is bigger than Berkman's mustache!!
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's ridiculous {policing VEB to not talk about braun. Not the mustache. Actually, that's ridiculous too, just in a different way}
VEB can have multiple log drawn out threads of about skinny ties, pants, and soccer. But we aren’t suppose to talk about the biggest story going on in the MLB right now?
Grit != flat out sucking.
basically you're saying screw mysterui
don’t worry, i hate that guy , too
by prophetjohn on Feb 24, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys are nothing without me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
parites: nickname for parasites
so, mysterui is the parasite-killer? Hmm, this might be good thing…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 25, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
i very much agree with this
if i cant say that braun is a cheater and a liar here, then where can i say it?
other than bcb or course
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
i didnt know there was a campaign
against talking about braun
i hate mentioning that name of colby…and pujols is done for me…but braun cheated and got lucky on a technicality
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
i have to agree.
the only reason to really be upset about the large amount of Braun talk is that it does not provide VEB as much room to properly discuss the merits of the Pumastache.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
What if, unlike McGwire, Braun knows he didn't take PEDs?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
then he should have said...
you can tell he is innocent by the fact that he doesn’t have a third ear growing out of his forehead.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Braun said that he would bet his life that no PEDs entered his system.
If Braun truly believes he is innocent, why should he take the same approach in a press conference as a man who knew he was guilty and was testifying before Congress (an act that carries with it potential penalties for not telling the truth)?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Really have heard that way too many times to give it any credence.
Not to mention he got off because his second positive test wasn’t correctly handled. If he is so innocent he can take a third test and prove it, otherwise there is dramatically more evidence against him than there is for him.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
oh, I'm sure he is going to get randomly tested a lot this year
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 24, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
If the guy wants to gain back some credibility
He should just voluntarily get tested once a week or something.
Not afraid to nitpick
Good news on Molina:
RT @JoeStrauss Movement on Molina is significant enough that source familiar w/situation believes agreement could be reached w/in a week.
you're missing something.
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
si, senor
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I linked to a re-tweet on Goold's twitter
No direct linkage to Strauss = no need for a unicorn. I don’t even subscribe to Strauss’ twitter anymore because he’s such a miserable human being.
Joe Strauss blocked me around the time of the Rasmus trade
That was a pretty rough period of time for me…
But I’m over it, now. Sorry I told you to fuck off, Joe Strauss.
by purple_haze on Feb 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His twitter is sort of amazing to me
I’ve never seen a mainstream media member get off so obviously on being an internet troll. Every time something bad would happen in the ST. Louis sports scene I knew Strauss would be there 5 minutes later to gloat passive aggressively and rub people’s faces in it; he seemed to get literally aroused whenever the city was pissed or worried about something.
He also never misses an opportunity to denigrate the city, the fanbase, and the media here, which is interesting considering he works here and has for some time. What would it say about him if the market is so terrible?
His formative years
covering baseball were in Baltimore at the knee of Peter Angelos.
I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.
by Michael_68_1999 on Feb 24, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
First the Browns, and now Strauss?
Talk about adding insult to injury.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
strauss is a douche
i have no idea how he has a job. he might actually be a decent journalist, for all i know, but on twitter he’s just a total moron.
His written pieces for the Post-Dispatch are usually fine,
if not a little laden with his own bias. The lack of professionalism or any kind of decency on his twitter is mind-boggling.
I hope this source is a better "friend" than your source
Who was oswalt’s “friend.”
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 25, 2012 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
One amazing thing about that Beltran line from the 2004 NLCS.
was that it was not as good as Pujols’ (sigh).
.500/.563/1.000, with 4 HR, 9 RBI.
The offensive numbers from that series are staggering.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
As special as 2011 and 2006 were
I don’t think they can compare to 2004 for me, when I managed to see game 7 of that NLCS with my family, including my brother who came to the stadium straight from the hospital with a ruptured appendix (he went back in for another surgery shortly thereafter). The guy yelled so loud that he almost died. It was awesome.
by purple_haze on Feb 24, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my rankings will never top last year
because it was the first time ive been so invested in a team…pretty much since the holliday trade and joining this site
i also loved the 03 marlins team and beckett handing it to the yanks
04 and rolen’s hr off clemens…and the ALCS was crazy as well
06 nlcs was great
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
all these years i thought i was George, as it turns out, i've been Newman all along
since i already let the cat out of the bag on twitter i guess i can tell y’all i have been hired by the post office & started today. did nothing but paper work & got some reading material so the real training & orientation starts early Monday morning at the main Cbus down town office (side note i’m not too happy about it because it’s 45min away & i HATE driving down there) for two, maybe three days. then i start at the Lewis Center office right after.
it’s not the high paying career type job i’ve been trying to get for it seems like forever now. but it’s a job, it pays OK & it’s get-your-foot-in-the-door type job so i’m happy, thankful & feel blessed to have it. thank you to everyone here for all your kind words, encouragements & gifts this past year & the years prior. words cannot express my gratitude to you all, you have no idea just how much you mean to me. i really do love you all, but not int he bad touch kind of love. (sorry fritz!) VEB is best community online bar none & i am so very thankful i found this weird & wonderful place.
Helloooo,,,, Newman
by gdm426 on Feb 24, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Didn't the USPS just lay off like a million people?
"We're here to defend a championship" - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
yes, they are closing distribution centers & consolidating them
that does not effect me or the office i will be working at. they need to rework their health insurance contract & have about 60,000 people who are eligible to retire to go ahead & retire. if that happens they will no longer be in financial trouble. problem is with the health insurance they need congress to approve it so lord only knows if or when that will get done
Helloooo,,,, Newman
Well, congratulations! I'm glad that you're gainfully employed.
I, on the other hand will be glad to be unemployed (from an actual paying job) as of June. I’ll be entering employment as a full time stay-at-home dad.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
thank you! a stay at home dad has to be one of the hardest jobs out there
good luck!
Helloooo,,,, Newman
I hear that
Stay at home moms though are just lazy
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 24, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
attaboy, gdm!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I remember visiting a few months ago
and you said you always saw yourself as a Norm and you were applying to become a Cliff. NBC sitcom jokes aside, congrats on the job.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 24, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
July 17, 2012 - columbus, ohio; associated press
Postal inspectors state that they have been unable to determine why shipments of hard liquor, including bourbon, have gone mysteriously undelivered in the columbus are since late february of this year. Multiple customers have complained that scheduled deliveries of scotch, bourbon, and whiskey have gone undelivered. Some of the shipments have been tracked to Columbus area post offices, and have mysteriously disappeared after arrival.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 25, 2012 3:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
I miss Y2S and IHeartBoog
please come back!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions
IHB is backish
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
did she have any other posts than those random ones on whatever that day was?
taking copious amounts of undeserved crap since early 2006
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
thats the drugs sociopath slipped you
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
and they're not the good kind of drugs
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 24, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
poor MaytheForschbewithyou
it was nice having him around here in one piece. Now we just get the bits and pieces of him that sociopath decided to keep for his collection
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
New Hope
We made it another Spring Training day without one of our aces arms falling off. This year is already better than last year.
LOY nominee
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Who won it last year?
And what was the prize.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Then what was the "VEB" embroidered towel for?
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Never ask what the towels are for.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
by a fink on Feb 24, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Komatsu batted .277/.367/.382 in AA last season
and played with a broken bone in his foot all year.
I presume that everyone else already knew this and I’m catching up again.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions
Didn't know about the broken bone.
That couldn’t have been fun to play on. I found it curious that he didn’t feel it during batting. You’d think that putting weight on it at all would cause pain.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 24, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Damn. What voodoo priestess did Grady Sizemore piss off?
…Sizemore is doubtful to be in the Indians’ outfield on Opening Day. Due to a strained lower back, Sizemore has ceased all baseball activities, and the timetable for his return to any type of action is unknown.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 24, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions
He's becoming as undependable as Tom Sizemore.
"We're here to defend a championship." - Pumastache
by peppermartin on Feb 24, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
No, Joe. I didn’t know this was the day that Adam went down last year. Thanks for bringing that up, you miserable hump.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 24, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions
rewind 3 months, don't sign Schumaker or Kmac
then sign Oswalt
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
herp derp
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 24, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa now,
Why you gotta be pullin Jared into this?
by mick311 on Feb 24, 2012 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
because his sandwiches are sub par
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Here's one of the most unusualy things I've come across this offseason:
From 1982 to 1990, Tom Pagnozzi attempted to steal a base 11 times between both the minor leagues and the major leagues.
In 1991, He attempted 22 SB’s, getting caught 13 times.
From 1992 to 1998 when he retired, he attempted 14 SB’s.
Haha…WTF, Tom?!
It should be noted that 1991 was the year Todd Zeile led the team with 11 HR’s..
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 24, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions
My first Cardinals game in the flesh
Pagnozzi got smacked in the head with a bat for catchers interference. Then he had a HR robbed. Always loved Pags..
by openside on Feb 25, 2012 4:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Some things never change.
The heavy batting and magnificent fielding of the St. Louis and National clubs to-day afforded great sport for the 1,500 people that witnessed the game. Had it not been for the partiality of Holland’s umpiring there would not have been more than one run difference between the totals of either nine.
-St. Louis Globe-Democrat, July 4, 1884
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 24, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
you
read this blog…its dedicated to 19th century…talk aobut a niche
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
It's my new favorite blog.
Some of the entries about truly early games, like with semi-pro teams from Alton and Edwardsville, is pretty interesting.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 25, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
How does this work?
Oswalt supposedly turns down offers from the Red Sox and Tigers of $10 million then rejects cards offer of $5 mil guaranteed because he can do better at mid-season. If he wants to play for Cards, how does he get more than $ 5 mil guaranteed at mid-season. If money is the issue, why not take the Tigers offer and rent an airplane to go to Mississippi anytime you want? I’m perplexed
Just win
He's in a position to basically work, or not work, on his own terms
Perhaps he’s willing to play on certain teams for less money than he would want to pitch for other teams. Not absolutely needing to work can be an awfully liberating position to be in.
Or, of course, the reported salary figures could just be way off from what was reported.
I want the Cardinals to find a long-term solution at SS
In the Middle West
/DowntonAbbeyMemes.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 25, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions
Is this the Earl telling Lady Mary to go to America and marry a cowboy
from the Middle West? Isn’t that somewhere near Middle Earth?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 25, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Very, very OT: It's 11:52 on a Friday night ...
… time to learn about Japanese Fart Scrolls!
http://www.tofugu.com/2012/02/18/japanese-fart-scrolls/
I am showing these to everyone I possibly can today. It’s my goal.
wow...thats not cool
how bout one OT like i just saw a agreat movie: 50/50 i highly recommend
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
50/50's great.
I saw it with my best friend who had recently just gone into remission. I… identified with Seth Rogen far more than I should have
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i didn't
catch any movies this year…ill rent that one…except 50/50 and RED…i did see bridesmaid but thatwas ’10…i need to watch a few of the academy award movies before sunday i like to keep up on flicks
by guillermozeliak on Feb 25, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Watch Hugo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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BJ says it's 9 o'clock on a Saturday...
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 25, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NL projected lineup sporcle
http://www.sporcle.com/games/samssport/2012-projected-lineups-nl
I got 179/224. Things I take away from this- The Cubs are really really bad. The Padres, Rockies, and Pirates also have some random ass players.
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