Chatting It Up In the Springtime
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST
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Ah, Spring Training, she be upon us. So far we have only goofy catcher mask news items and the inevitable parade of optimism, but it's still good to know there are men in Jupiter, men who play baseball. Men who, right now, are getting ready to play baseball in Florida. Jupiter men of the baseballing lifestyle. Men with baseball in their blood like Jupiter had escaping from his father's stomach in his blood. Eff you, Saturn. This is Jupiter, and this is baseball.
Anyhow, here is us at Spring Training time and here is chatting in a Viva thread. I am being until the eleven of the clock to spring chatting window for questions. We shall avail ourselves of the asking, and the answering, and the pleasure of interaction until such time as I am drawn away from my computer screen by the inevitable demands of non-virtual life, at which point I shall depart with such sorrowful words as to make grown men openly weep.
I cleaned a pair of tennis shoes this morning and they are very white. Ask me questions and let's us talk about stuff.
Bake 'em away, toys.
The Baron's Playlist for the 22nd of February, 2012 (click for 8tracks or below for embedded player)
"Over the Falls" - Primus
"Wynona's Big Brown Beaver" - Primus
"Boobs" - Ruth Wallis
"Drill 'em All" - Ruth Wallis (love this song sooo much)
"Equus" - Blonde Redhead
"Publisher" - Blonde Redhead
"Another Lonely Day" - Kasey Chambers
"Water In the Fuel" - Kasey Chambers
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Is the end of Skip's bat on fire?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
One of the many powerful effects of Holliday's dust.
While the dust remains in effect, Skip receives a +3 bonus to all swings, +4 against fastballs, automatically succeeds in all diving to first-related saving throws, and has vorpal added.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Wow...
It is this post that has assured me that this is the place for me to spend my baseball related internet time. Though really, can skip really handle anything with vorpal?
Speaking of which, yay for first posts.
by KandJinIN on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Welcome aboard!
And I’m honoured to have been the one to draw you in.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and no.
Skip shouldn’t be swinging a Bat of Severing around. But such is the danger of having him on the same roster as the magical Lego man.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Have fun with the bleaching thread below!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I always thought pixie dust was cocaine.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That'll be the last time Skip Schumaker has a hot bat
by hr on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Finally, someone appreciated my wonderful wittiness!
Thank you.
By gosh!
by hr on Feb 22, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
RB, how's the fishing on
Lake Guntersville, Alabama for next week?
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
You will catch your limit the first day, but be disappointed the rest of the time
and find yourself questioning whether something in the weather could have spooked them.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Dammit,
that’s exactly what i was afraid of.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Yep, I knew you were.
You’ll have better luck going later in March, though.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I had a dream last night that Matheny went by the book
And constructed he lineup like this:
Furcal
Beltran
Freese
Holliday
Berk
Yadi
Greene
Pitcher
Jay
What are the chances this actually happens?
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Do we really want Freese batting
in front of Holliday?
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
According to research done on optimal lineup construction
We just might
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Huh.
I thought we would actually want Holliday hitting 2nd, according to the new metrics but I trust you on that one. I know when we had Pujols, he should have been in the 2 hole, according to the math. I suppose the overall depth in this lineup probably changes where we want our best hitter.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
yeah, the 3rd spot is the least important out of the first 4.
Maybe you’d switch Berk and Freese though. I would definitely switch Holliday and Berk in the lineup above.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Better than we're used to seeing.
But still close to zero. At the very least I think we’ll still see the team’s best hitter hitting in the three hole. SABR-curious or not, Matheny will have a tough time going against such a powerfully entrenched idea.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Also I'm guessing the difference between
Furc, Beltran, Holliday, Berkman, Freese
and
Furc, Beltran, Freese, Holliday, Berkman
Will be fractions of a win over a full season….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and that tradition
isn’t just strategic, it’s cultural. Your #3 hitter is usually one of your franchise’s core players and that spot in the lineup is given to him not only for his production but also as a sign of respect and recognition for his centrality to the team. Clearly in that context Holliday has to be your #3 now, and probably for most if not all the rest of his contract.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't The Book say to put someone like Beltran in the leadoff spot?
High OBP, good power.
From BtB on lineup construction in The Book:
Lead-Off
The old-school book says to put a speedy guy up top. Power isn’t important, and OBP is nice, but comes second to speed.
The Book says OBP is king. The lead-off hitter comes to bat only 36% of the time with a runner on base, versus 44% of the time for the next lowest spot in the lineup, so why waste homeruns? The lead-off hitter also comes to the plate the most times per game, so why give away outs? As for speed, stealing bases is most valuable in front of singles hitters, and since the top of the order is going to be full of power hitters, they’re not as important. The lead-off hitter is one of the best three hitters on the team, the guy without homerun power. Speed is nice, as this batter will have plenty of chances to run the bases with good hitters behind him.
I know there’s a 0% chance that would happen in the real-world lineup, but if we’re going strictly by The Book, it could be more like:
Beltran
Holliday
Yadi
Berkman
Freese
Yadi
Greene
Pitcher
Jay
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
by lightbulb on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And...whoops
How’d I miss that first sentence about “the guy without homerun power.”
Well, maybe Beltran is the guy who fits “one of the best three hitters on the team” with comparatively the least power (compared to Berk and Holliday).
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
I would agree with that.
I like Beltran ahead of those guys, rather than behind them.
I love the notion of Greene in the seven hole, right ahead of the pitcher. He gets on base, he should have the Greene Light (I’m thinking this should be a thing at the stadium whenever he steals a base), to always try and take the extra base without fear of ruining a big inning.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't Berk have a higher OBP:SLG (or power) ratio than Beltran?
I’m too lazy to check, but I suspect Beltran is projected for a higher SLG and lower OBP than Berk.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
That's a really slow lineup.
I can’t imagine how long it would take Molina to circle the bases on a Molina double. Eeshk.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
A really long time since he'd have to call a ghostrunner.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
I guess you could swap Yadi and Greene
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
Heh.
It’s always best when you don’t realise your mistake for just an extra moment or two, long enough to defend it. Trust me, I know your pain.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Lineup construction isn't very important of course (especially if we're not talking about doing completely random things like batting the pitcher 4th)
I would settle for a “conventional” lineup that at least paid some attention to the principles underlying optimal lineup construction.
Something like this (my ideal lineup against LHP):
Furcal
Beltran (CF)
Holliday
Berkman
Craig
Freese
Yadi
Greene
Pitcher
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, that's about as good as it gets
that’s pretty realistic as well.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd switch Beltran and Berk, personally.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, Beltran's probably a lot faster
that kind of matters. And Berkman has more power.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is Beltran going to make SB attempts still?
If so, I’d rather he do it behind Holliday and Berk than in front of.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I guess MM didn't mention Beltran by name, Hummel did
Matheny said, "If you have some speed, show it. That’s going to be the philosophy. If guys have speed in their repertoire, they certainly need to display it and improve on it and take advantage of some of the special instructors we have in here.
“And we’re going to have some early and some late (basestealing) sessions as well.”
and
“I do believe there are some guys in here who can steal some bases,” said Matheny. "Now do you take a whole team and all of a sudden try to turn them into basestealers? No, you play the hand that you’re dealt. Why force that issue?
“But we’ve got some guys who it’s going to be fun to watch use their instincts this spring.”
I'm going to assume that Vince Coleman will be one of the special instructors.
Ozzie, Willie, and Vince instructing players on stolen base technique would be pretty cool.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
As long as Vince does not instruct them on any other facet of the game.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
e.g., standing
in the on-deck circle.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Think they should cancel the golf outing and fireworks display?
by TBender on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
this, and so much this
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tarp Management 101 with Professor Coleman
Unit 1: What Not To Do
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Now we know why
“standing around” is discouraged in Cardinal camp.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
they didnt play every game on astroturf
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 22, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
... with Lou Brock
borne about the playing field on a sedan chair, giving his imprimatur and a knowing nod when necessary.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well Lego just moved back up in my roto regard
15-20 steals would be great
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
this was my reaction as well. hmmm
i don’t think 20 is realistic but just 10-12 would be a nice boost
It is a bit wacky how bad he has been stealing bases in STL
in COl/OAK he had a 75% success ration including an 84% from 07-09 since coming to STL he has a 66% success ratio.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Baserunning isn't just SBs.
There’s a lot of value going first-to-third on singles and first-to-home on doubles – which Beltran would be better able to do hitting in front of Holliday/Berkman.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I put freese 3 because I think he's OBPs higher than yadi this year
But yea, you’re right that Beltran should probably be one
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i get the reasoning
but in practice, there aren’t a lot of high-OBP, low-SLG guys out there. no pop guys tend to get less respect from opposing pitchers, so the only guys that fit this mold are the super-high contact guys, like ichiro and figgins (pre-mariners). so, you’re most likely going to end up with a speedy, ~.330 OBP guy, or a beltran type who might have some lead-off HRs ‘wasted’. this seems to be approach the royals took with alex gordon last year.
There's Matt Carpenter.
But that’s the only guy that leaps to mind.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I've always thought Yadi made sense as a leadoff guy against lefties
And it’s a position Holliday could easily bat as well.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wheres Craig?
A healthy Craig must play everyday no matter who has to sit.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I read that article too and thats the lineup I thought matched up best,
But it also said its ideal to have your homerun hitter in the 3 spot, not a guy that hits for average. So it may work if Freese is able to hit like he did in the postseason. The other lineup that would work according to the ‘book’ would be
Furcal
Beltran
Berk
Holliday
Freese
Molina
Jay
Greene
by mick311 on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
All the way through spring training.
Once the season starts I doubt we’ll hear of it except when the team is on a long losing streak. Then we’ll get a brief mention of some inspirational words that either are or should be plastered on the wall.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Matheny's organization of camp.
The reports from Langosch that Matheny is mixing veterans and minor leaguers in Spring Training groups and making pitchers throw to every catcher so they’re comfortable with every catcher struck me as being so common-sensical that I couldn’t figure out why La Russa didn’t organize camp this way. I think this is a very positive development for the team. What are your thoughts?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It seems to make all the sense in the world to me as well.
It also seems to be a very inclusive, new age-y kind of way of running things that would likely seem antithetical to La Russa’s ideas of what young player decorum should be. Matheny wants youngsters to learn by being around the veterans; La Russa wanted youngsters to learn by observing the veterans. I think this way is better. But, time will tell.
I like the catcher thing as well, though I think long term it probably means a little less. It’s nice to know all the pitchers have at least a passing familiarity with any and all of the catchers, but I don’t know how much honest impact that will have down the road. Although I will say I think that could end up a much better learning experience for the catchers than the pitchers.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
New Age?
This even makes sense to me.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
It sounds like the veterans are on board as well.
Langosch said Wainwright gave Cody Stanley a hug after his bullpen.
Side note
This gets pitchers used to working with Anderson
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing this has a lot to do with determining the second catcher on the roster
Trying to get the input of all the pitchers on the staff.
Do we know for sure
that TLR didn’t do this?
As I read the report, I believe it is a new way of doing things.
From Langosch:
This idea of pairing the most experienced with the youngsters was proposed by Matheny and immediately embraced by the veterans.
“Not every organization has guys that want to buy into that,” Matheny said. “I think they see the bigger picture that we have the opportunity to influence this organization for years to come. And if we put some of these kids out there on Field Z near Egypt, there’s not going to be much of a chance to see how these guys go about things on a daily basis.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
By the way, Langosch is really, really good at her job
She’s exceeded every expectation I’ve had of someone who took over for one of my favorites
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
If she would just change the name of her blog...
there’s just something corny about it.
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
If she wanted a wholesome folksiness
she should have called it “The Berkman”
Is it just me..
or did the article now called ‘Bird Seed: Day 1" appear as ’Bird Droppings’ when it was first published?
It did.
Either Langosch or her bosses nixed the title.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
stlcardinals.com must have a completely different community of commenters than VEB...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, it does, it does. . . .
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
At least since "BJs Under the Bleachers with BJ Rains" ran on FoxSportsMidWest.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 22, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I laughed and rec'd
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ever been to Camden Chat,
the SB Nation Orioles blog? They use Bird Droppings every freakin’ day.
Emulating the O’s is bad, bad form.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
wait she got rid of "bird droppings?!"
weak shit.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
>> Field Z near Egypt ... <<
Wonder what minor leaguers we got playing in Egypt?
the old man and i were just talking about this last night
and how it struck us both as odd, that for whatever reason, TLR kept the vets away from the rookies. TLR just had an old school way of doing things, i guess.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should do the same at VEB
mix the always posters with the mostly lurkers
“that’s not quite the right way to do that meme”
“nice double entendre”
“work on the punctuation”
“don’t take that shit from fourstick, fight back”
Just win
by The Duke on Feb 22, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Azru just called me "buddy"!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Can I fetch an e-hug from Clemson girl?
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
One Thing I Wondered About Matheny
And wondered what others thought. Do you think Matheny might play his regular guys more than TLR did on Sunday/last game of series games? That’s one thing that bothered me is TLR seemed to be happy taking series but seemed like he was happy to give The last day of games constantly.
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I don't know.
That’s a tough one. It was frustrating at times, to be sure, but there are also what I think are some very good, very legitimate reasons for sitting guys in getaway games from time to time. It did seem as if La Russa took it to the extreme when a sweep was on the line, though.
I think Matheny will probably be a little less inclined toward heavy lineup changes and the like, at least at first. I expect he may tinker down the road a bit more, but as he eases into a comfort level with the job he’ll probably play it straight.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
With the age of Furcal, Beltran Berkman..
I don’t mind them getting frequent games off. Especially because Craig will usually be the one filling in.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
resting players in a rotational rather than batch method
did not fits tlr’s heirarchial view of the world
12 in 12, thank you very much
If you accept that over the course of a 162-game season that players need some rest (and backups need to play some)
When would be a better time to provide that rest, other than the last day games before travel, which usually follow a shorter rest period from the previous night game?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but why put up to 3 of your starters on the bench all at the same time?
Why not give Holliday and Yadi Saturday night off, then give Berk or Beltran the getaway game off?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
A win in the hand, and all that.
If you plan ahead to do that, you’re reducing your chances of winning two games ahead of time, increasing the chances of you going into the third game of the series needing it to win. Push as hard as possible the first two, and once you’ve got those two wins in hand there’s no risk at all of you losing the series.
That’s kind of the way I would look at it, anyway.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
It was one of those things where I totally understood the logic behind it, and even thought it might be a good idea on paper
I just hated seeing it as a fan, because it usually made the game less fun for me. It brought up frustrating emotions because I would start to forecast bench players playing badly in my head, and would have reduced expectations of winning. Sometimes it is hard to balance logic and emotions as a fan, just as it must be difficult to balance the season-long goals of a team with the short-term goals of individuals games and series.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
True.
From an emotional standpoint it’s probably more frustrating. But from a performance standpoint I could actually see it being a more effective way of handling these situations.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Well, with this particular team you've got a
good situation though, given that the three non-catchers most in need of days off (Berk, Beltran and Holliday) can each be replaced for one game by Craig. So you rest Berk Friday nite, Beltran Saturday, and unless you really must win Sunday, Holliday on Sunday, in each case replacing them with an impact bat.
Problem solved.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you're doing a little bit of apples and oranges there because TLR never had that combination of players.
Given that Craig would be the primary backup for Holliday (LF), Beltran (RF), and probably Berkman (1B), you probably would stagger their off-days so that Craig could get more PT and you’d lose as little as possible in performance.
But to the broader point of staggering rest or giving multiple starters rest on one day, I don’t know why it’s necessarily preferable to stagger. It’s certainly not intuitively obvious that it’s better, especially when one considers that the other team may be staggering or may be using the “group rest” method.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Craig should not backup anyone.
If healthy, he should be a starter. All he does is hit.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
But who does he replace?
I think everyone here knows how much I love A.C., but really, do you put Berk, Belt, or Holli on the bench for him? He’s not a better hitter than any of those 3.
Now if only a corner outfielder could be converted into a second baseman…….
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Berkman plays 1b, Craig plays RF, Beltran plays CF
At least most days. I would make Jay the 4th OF (starting at least 3-4 days a week preferably against RHPs) and give Craig/Beltran the majority of the ABs in CF/RF.
That's assuming Beltran can play CF
on a more-or-less every day basis. I don’t know if his knees can handle that, and his defense in CF by most accounts isn’t very good any more.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
But Craig's offense is a bigger upgrade.
His offense over Jay’s is greater than the defensive loss of Beltran in center.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 22, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Understood and I think we take the tradeoff to have Beltran and Craig both in the lineup
I’m thinking Beltran could play out there a 3 times a week, with Jay covering the other 3 and Beltran starting in RF about 2 other times per week (and getting a day off).
I think Craig and Beltran will likely have very similar production as hitters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Beltran will probably outclass Craig from the left side of the plate though
by hangingfromatree on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If the overall production level is about the same, I don't see that it matters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah. Was joking. Sort of.
But yeah.
by hangingfromatree on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
if the goal is to maximize wins (and not hours of rest)
I think the best time to sit your players would be when your team is significantly better or significantly worse than your opponent. Just like wins for fringe playoff teams are more valuable, runs in a closely-matched contest are more valuable.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
interestingly, in the SSS decision making of TLR
sitting players after winning or losing two games would accomplish this goal, though I doubt that was the rationale.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
but the underlying assumption is that there is a relationship between the timing and amount of rest and winning. Presumably the players most in need of rest (and it is not just “rest,” it is recovery time) are older players that play a lot (i.e., the veteran starters) when the recovery/rest time between games (as in a day game following a night game – the “travel day” game) is at a minimum.
If we assume that performance goes down for old players when recovery time is shorter (not a huge leap in logic) then we would want to remove those players when we think their performance is likely to be at its lowest — i.e., the travel day game.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I can buy a recover time argument
But that has nothing to do with whether you won/lost/split the first two games.
Ultimately, this feels a lot like lineup construction where it’s fun to debate cause there are lots of options, but it probably makes virtually no difference. Getting one extra game out of your starters is probably more valuable than optimally distributing a fixed number of rest innings.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone ever actually look at the data to see whether the presence of a "getaway" lineyup was related to the W-L record in the series?
whether won/lost/split the first two games.
I don’t really know. Seems like it could be one of those things where anecdotal “memories” don’t match the data.
(And I also think none of it really matters – what probably matters more is TLR asking guys before that day’s game whether they need a break)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the concept of "winning series" was explicitly stated by TLR
but I don’t remember ever seeing a direct quote
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows. Even if he said it, it wouldn't surprise me if the data didn't match up.
I also think everyone generally ignores that the other team often employed “travel day” lineups as well.
Like you say, it’s interesting to think about, but I don’t think it probably makes any difference overall.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
also to this point
another approach is to be much more aggressive about pulling starters after getting out to a big lead/deficit. Especially if you’re in a night game before a day game. Again, you’re never going to see it due to morale, but a blanket policy to pull an old regular whenever your win probability is above 90% or below 10% would be interesting.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that would be one way.
But I don’t think the “rest/recovery” gained is linear with innings played. A player probably gets more “rest/recovery” by not playing, or preparing to play, that day, than he does just in cutting off 2 innings at the end of the game. There is also probably something to be said for a “mental” recovery day as well and in a player knowing he’s going to have a day off and then taking it (without preparing to play).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
*
should say “than he does just in cutting off 2-3 innings at the end of games, over 2-3 games.”
The point is that you might get more bang for your buck if you give an entire game off, rather than parsing it out in partial time off.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
yea, I think this is the overall problem
We don’t know much about how rest distribution affects player injury risk and/or recuperation. Presumably the players know a little about the latter (though not the former), but there’s still a lot of uncertainty. In contrast, we do know a lot (or can guess with high confidence) about how run distribution impacts winning. So in the brave new world of robot managers that is obviously right around the corner, run distribution should be weighted more heavily.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking about that too.
It shouldn’t impact the Expected Wins because the amount of RS-RA should be about the same. I do think which games you choose would be impacted by how much risk you want to take. For example, you could raise your win-floor by making sure your best players go against the weakest teams, and rest against the very strongest. Trying to win as many games as possible, you might instead rest guys against the weakest teams only. This, if I’m thinking about this correctly, would give you a shot at winning in each game, but also a shot at losing, so if you could get very different outcomes if you were very lucky or very unlucky.
But I think the differences here are probably very small. Also, I’m short on rest myself, so this might not be that well thought out.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I give/gave TLR high marks for his use of the bench. Think he outmanaged Washington considerably in the Series by . . .
. . .deft substitution of players
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H. L. Mencken
TLR was a fan of winning series
which i have never really understood and probably never will. i would much rather go for the sweep than give away the last game.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally, yes.
You always would like to go for the sweep. But, given that you do need to rest players occasionally, what better arrangement do you envision? It’s frustrating at times to watch, sure, but I’m not sure I don’t think it might be the best way.
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by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is a strategic philosophy of La Russa's that I appreciated.
Nothing is more frustrating as a fan than being at a game in person and having him sit three starters but I appreciate that he wants to keep his players fresh throughout the season. If Craig returns at full health, resting the outfielders will be much, much easier. The Cardinals won’t lose that much. I also think the infield will be pretty easy to rest as well with Craig able to play first and the duo of Greene and Descalso able to play all second, short, and third.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah.
Sort of sad Tony may very well have missed out on one of the great time-share opportunities of his career.
And I agree. It’s maddening to watch, but I really did appreciate the thought process behind it.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
but greene would be nowhere near the team if tony were still in charge
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
they might have picked up
Blake Dewitt!
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 23, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
it would be a lot less frustrating
if our bench wasn’t made up of Joe thruston, aaron miles, skip schumaker and jason LaRue.
Grit != flat out sucking.
it is a bad idea to give the pitchers an extra handicap
a rotational sit-down would seem best
12 in 12, thank you very much
Thoughts on the new Sleigh Bells album?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I like it.
A bit more melodic this time around, which I’m definitely in favour of. The first one had some great moments, but there was also a very large percentage of the time when what was good about them simply disappeared into obnoxious maximalism. Reign of Terror seems to have a little less of that.
I’m particularly fond of End of the Line, Leader of the Pack, and You Lost Me.
Honestly, though, I’ve only spun it once all the way through, so this is a very preliminary opinion.
What do you think?
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by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I lean more...
toward the sweeter melodically weird stuff than the harder edged heavy stuff so the lighter side on Reign of Terror I enjoy even more than their first… It got lower scores from a lot of music blogs (pitchfork/paste) so I was kind of worried, but I definitely like it more than the blogs did.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Tip for reading critical reviews:
whenever the words, “__________’s second record,” appear, immediately add 30% positivity to any and all things you read after that. There’s a standard downgrade all reviewers apply to sophomore efforts that has to be factored in.
If the band in question came out of nowhere to shock everyone with their debut, you may have to adjust as much as 50% to account for the sophomore record effect.
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by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
But I tend to think, for many bands, their best ideas are in their first album
And I don’t think that’s just bias or familiarity talking, because for most bands I’ve listened to, I haven’t listened to their albums in any particular order.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
maybe this is somewhat of a trend
but especially with more recent bands (which, i think, you listen to less?), i’m seeing exactly the opposite effect- because of how tracks/etc are released now, a lot of artists have a first album comprised of material from an independently released EP, a single they put out via their website, etc- and then their SECOND album is the first real well constructed album with new cool ideas.
i would certainly agree with you pre, say, 1995 though.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
but either way both happen even now
i’m not trying to make this be any hard and fast rule or anything- just trends i notice
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
yeah, I mostly listen to stuff pre 2000
And the bands that I like during this past decade (Radiohead, White Stripes) exhibit the trend that you say. On the other hand Tame Impala’s best stuff is on their early demos IMO, but they’re basically a 60’s band.
Pre 95, the only bands I can think off the top of my head who’s first stuff is really subpar are Nirvana, Chili Peppers, Neil Young and Pavement (although I think most would disagree with me on the last one.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah and there are definitely bands that their best stuff is on those early demos like you mentioned, even now
but i think usually those bands have a first album that sucks because it’s just a hodgepodge, where that DEMO was actually the great thing
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
good point
bands should probably just release their sort of interesting junk on their demo, with maybe one really good song. Save most of it for the first album.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but that's hard to do with how the record industry works now
there’s so much pressure to get noticed that i think it’s why a lot of bands burn out super early
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
that's really annoying
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
for most bands , there is no record industry
it’s DYI or go home (all the bands I play w/ are their own record companies). Just to be clear, I agree w/ you.
youneverknow
for sure
i guess what i’m pointing out really is that there’s selection bias- most of the music i’ve heard is from a band that has “made it”, and therefore this pattern is more likely to have occurred
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I am.
Bored as hell and mildly irritated. I understand where Yadi is coming from, I suppose, but pouting really isn’t very becoming of someone who we’re supposed to believe is a leader on a major league baseball team. Eh, whatever. I just can’t work up a good batch of give a fuck one way or the other.
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by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's just lazy writing at this point.
We had this subplot last season. JJ Abrams never would have let this happen.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Possibly true.
But, he would probably demand all spring training games be filmed with shaky home video cameras as well, so there’s a tradeoff.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
So, is JJ Abrams actually directing the filming of Spring Training workouts?
Also, how much of a disappointment is Alcatraz? What a waste of Sam Neil.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Haven't watched it.
It looked so promising in previews, though.
And yes, JJ Abrams is just doing pretty much everything now.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa,
I thought Tyler Perry was doing pretty much everything now, and if he filmed the Cardinals, would we have to call it “Tyler Perry’s St. Louis Cardinals”?
Why the hell does that guy have to attach his name to everything he makes?
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Would you watch anything that looked as stupid as the dreck he produces
if it didn’t have a name attached to it?
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I never thought of it that way.
His name actually serves as a warning for people to NOT tune in.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
by Eckstreem on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a little like politics, honestly.
Rather than paying attention to the product, name recognition gives you the option of judging how you feel about it based on how you feel about the group it belongs to. Convenient.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
With lens flare!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it symbolizes the brightness of 1980's nostalgia, or something
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Neither would David Simon!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I could definitely go for more jennifer garner in
Absurd wigs and fetching outfits during the baseball season.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I find Jennifer Garner uniquely unappealing.
I don’t know why.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
she's kind of odd-looking and has picked some terrible roles.
Still, “alias” was a great show.
I don’t think she has terrific range but she’s very good in the roles that fit her. I saw her in “13 going on 30” (don’t ask why I watched it) which I wholly expected to be absolutely terrible, but she brought a very likable energy to a generally weak script. I thought she did a very good job in Juno of playing an annoyingly type A but ultimately sympathetic would-be mother.
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alias started off as a great show
and tragically turned into a mess. Those first three seasons were freaking incredible. I feel like I was primed for LOST by the long story archs on Alias.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I guess I don't read his quotes as pouting.
Do you? I read them as: “My agent is handling it. I’d like to get a deal done, if the money is right because I like playing in St. Louis. If the money isn’t right, thought, I’ll test free agency.”
I think having Strauss as the man covering this beat for the Post-Dispatch makes it rather intolerable. He tweets that it is a “line in the sand” from Molina, but then the quotes from Molina and his agent make it clear that they aren’t saying a deal must be done by Opening Day or it won’t be done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not that one, no.
But bringing up Albert immediately? That’s pouting. “Hey, what do you think about your contract?” “Well, you know, I want to be here, but you see how they just let that other guy go, right? I think that shows what they’re all about.”
The subtext, to me, is kind of pouty. But that could just be my own bias kicking in.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm. That could be.
I guess I’ve always assumed that he was being asked about Pujols in the context of his negotiations because that is the frame the media (Strauss) is using for the story.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It could be.
The way it sounded to me, though, he brought it up. But, without the full context of how the question was worded, we can’t really know. So we get this ambiguity.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, he's sounding like a bit of an ass
i’d rather sign him, but I don’t care all that much even though Yadi’s one of my favorite players.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
So what’s the difference between Berkman saying “It’s always about the money” and Yadi saying it’s a business?
Is Berkman only endearing because he said it after he signed his extension?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
Berkman’s endearing because he’s white.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and he speaks very articulately
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's also why Willie McGee is endearing...
Er, wait……
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
And Ozzie Smith.
That being said, I think Berkman’s race is a factor. Other factors include how often he talks to the media about things and the tone he has when talking to the media. He seems like a nice guy. All of this takes the edge off when he says, “It’s always about the money.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Or,
Berkman’s charismatic, seems genuinely nice, normally upbeat, a lot more colorful commentary. Takes a much larger role in the spotlight off the field, i.e. post-game interviews.
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure where his race fits in vs. Yadi
Except the lack of a language barrier to overcome in articulating his thoughts/commentary to fans
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Feb 22, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's the Pujols talk/implication that annoys me
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure why people have a problem with molina's comments at all.
I’d much rather have a player be honest and say “it’s business” than say it’s not yet still take a more lucrative offer.
It is a business. Nobody has a problem with the fact that allen craig makes $450k, even though less deserving players make more. We openly discuss how to maximize the club’s return by making sure the team spends as little as possible for the best value (emphasize the value of pre-arb, club controlled players; limit the length of contracts to avoid paying old players past their prime).
Why shouldn’t we extend ballplayers the same respect? It is a business. If yadier molina said that he wants to play well and stay healthy so he makes more money, good for him. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Yadi naturally will want to make a lot of money. So does Bill Dewitt.
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've got a cure for what ails you.
Jeff Gordon has weighed in on the Molina situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Italicizing "must" in the lead sentence is a new low.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Worst part of that article:
equating paying for a short-term contract with a player in his twilight years to locking up a player long-term into his twilight years. Just terrible.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Let me correct that for you.
Worst part of the article: “by Jeff Gordon.”
The good news is you get that statement right at the top and it spares you having to waste 10 minutes reading the whole poorly conceived argument that follows. Such time management is important to a happy life.
Assuming the article says what I think it does, I’ll guarantee that the day after Yadi leaves us, Gordon will be the first guy out with an article explaining why it was a genius move by team management to let him go.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I've just read the article and while I find it doesn't break any fresh ground
it does a reasonable job of summarizing salient reasons for getting Yadi under contract. My take is that much of the future of this team is tied up in young pitching (Garcia, Miller, Jenkins, Rosenthal, Lynn, Rzep, etc) There is a dearth of good catchers in the sport right now. Talk about Yadi’s “twilight” years seems a bit premature to me – he’s coming into his age 29 season and a 4 year extension only would take him through 33. What better place to spend the Pujols dividend?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it that the Wednesday post is usually the post that won't autorefresh for me?
Is there a special Baron only posting option of “don’t autorefresh on scoot’s work computer”? Or do all of the posters have this option and you are the only one that checks it? If so, why do you hate me?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You know why.
That is odd, though. My option is actually to screw up everybody’s computer; I don’t know why it’s only working on yours. Stupid SBN sophtware.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, this is a running theme for me
I have to use IE at work and this happens to me from time to time. Makes the SBN experience much more frustrating. Stupid government.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Speaking of this
Does anyone really like the SBN apps for iPhone and Droid? I have the app for my Droid and I think it’s terrible.
I feel like the iPhone app is way too bulky
You have to go through several different pages before you actually get to the comments section, and once you’re there, the app starts lagging and it just barely works. I do think the z’ing feature in the comments is kind of nice, but it’s not worth the crap you have to go through. I used it twice before I went back to SBN mobile on Safari.
By gosh!
For whatever reason
I would lose my info. I have to “follow” VEB every time I use the app. It doesn’t save that info. So I also went back to SBN mobile.
The Droid app is buggy.
Don’t like it so much.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That happens every once in awhile for me
But the thing that kills me about it is that they need to sync the “read” comments with your account whether you read them on mobile or not.
Not afraid to nitpick
yea, the lack of comment status sync renders either desktop or mobile worthless
at least for a blog like VEB
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
This.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
another way to accomplish the same thing
get rid of the mobile apps and spend all the time bringing the mobile site up to spec
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
The way I understand it
It’s a lot easier to design an app than a mobile-page that has to deal with multiple browsers, and it’s easier to monetize an app than it is a mobile page.
Not afraid to nitpick
I can't speak to the latter, but the former has not been my experience in the least
designing a single mobile site that works across multiple browsers is much easier than making dedicated apps for (at least) Android, iOS, WP7. Plus, you don’t have to deal with Apple’s review process, or write a new app for every new platform (e.g., the android app isn’t in the amazon store for the Fire).
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
In terms of adding specialized features though?
Like skipping to the next unread comment or whatever?
Not afraid to nitpick
I can't speak to that specific functionality
but take a look at some of Google’s mobile apps to get a sense of what’s possible (gmail and gchat in particular). Facebook’s new mobile app is also very full featured. The only things you really miss in my experience are notifications and (to a certain extent) offline support.
My brother and I have a web-app based startup, and we’ve never felt inhibited by having chosen to develop a mobile site instead of an app.
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't, but the third member of our company does
by brackenthebox on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'll use the app if I haven't already starting reading a post on the computer.
The non-syncing comments bugs me too much.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I feel the same way
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have the android app on my phone and never use it
I actually find the mobile site to work pretty good for what I’m looking for. Get’s me straight to where I want to go, I don’t have to fish though some random stories that always grab my attention but I’m not really interested in, and besides, I don’t really comment much on my phone so its usually to see if theres new info.
Actually, since VEB is typically a one post a day blog with a million comments, I don’t find visiting with my phone to be too convenient at all. I do find my other sbn sites that don’t have as many comments and post more often (like in a more breaking news style) to be quite easy to get info from via my phone. VEB is more of a conversation and if I’m out of pocket, I don’t have time for the conversation anyway.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
i think it's actually baron's post including an embedded player that fucks with it
my main web browser does not have Flash, and i notice no problems- if i open this with Chrome, i get that problem sometimes.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
ah, thanks for a logical explanation
now if he’d only stop posting that embedded player for everyone else’s convenience and cater specifically to my needs.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this is a sample size of exactly 1, so it's not certainly the cause
but Flash fucks shit up in general… what browser do you use? there are plugins for various browsers that can selectively disable certain Flash content.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I was listening to 590 this morning...
and Motte apparently said Wainwright was the most Matheny-esque (managerial) player on our team… what current/former Cardinals could you see managing in the post-matheny era?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I could see Bo Hart managing a Denny's.
I could also see Ray King managing to crack 400 lbs.
I’ve always thought Reggie Sanders would make a good manager somewhere down the road. Not necessarily on knowledge, because I don’t honestly know about that aspect of him, but he seems like the sort of personality who could coax a clubhouse through pretty much anything.
I could see Carpenter as a pitching coach. Doing the Leo Mazzone yell at the umpire nonstop thing.
Mark Grudzielanek always seemed to me like the sort who would go into coaching down the line.
I’m sure there are others, but I’m drawing a blank at the moment.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Headline
Reggie Sanders’ Winning Smile Leads Cleveland Indians To The World Series
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I think you might be on to something here.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I could see former backup catcher Joe Girardi doing some things
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Twitter
Any articles written on the pre-camp-camp
with the youngsters other than the one Goold did before it happened?
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton
There's one by Langosch on Miller.
(We’re very fortunate that Langosch is the replacement for Leach. She’s very good.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
if david simon's doing the writing
she’s clearly the hard working young journalist character who the thinly veiled David Simon analogue will take under his wing and allow to do meaningful in-depth reporting on the players, while the ambitious hack who represents what’s wrong with journalism (we can guess who this will be) undermines all that is right with the world by faking cell phone interviews with a serial trash-talker in the clubhouse. (Man was season a letdown.)
i thought season 5 was pretty good.
the serial killer arc was kinda far fetched, but overall it was a great season.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i actually really liked most of season 5, and i really enjoyed the journalist characters
my only problem with season 5 is that everything else on that show was SO REAL- i could actually conceive it happening. i know stranger things are happening, but season 5 required some suspension of disbelief with the serial killer storyline, which is something i never had to do with the show before.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I agree with this exactly
Couldn’t buy into how far McNulty took that stuff. Nor really how they resolved it.
I like how drinking at age 18-21 constitutes any semblance of a maturity question
I don’t think I knew anyone who actually waited till they were 21 to drink. I know people who don’t drink, but no one who waited.
Not afraid to nitpick
You don't know me, Joker.
But I never drank illegally.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fritz doesn't trust you anymore
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Drinking before you're 21 in other countries is often completely legal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh yeah
I’m gonna go to Canada next summer after I turn 19.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
neither did i
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
A reporter on 101 ESPN last night said (paraphrasing) about Shelby
“I saw him at dinner the other night and he didn’t have an alcoholic beverage on his table, so it looks like he’s growing up.”
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Such insight!
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the issue was that he was drinking.
I think it got a touch out of hand once or twice. Still not a big deal in my mind, but it’s a little different than just drinking while <21.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
His twitter is pretty ridiculous
most player’s twitters are bad, though
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Him and Sebek need to grow up a little.
Except Sebek is like 30 I think.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I again wonder who has not gotten a touch out of hand once or twice
Regardless, the dude is a baseball player whose day will frequently not start till 2 PM. Alcohol should be about the least of anyone’s worries regarding maturity.
Not afraid to nitpick
True, but isn't the issue "alcohol-related incidents" not just "alcohol"?
I don’t think anyone cares about drinking in general. But when the paddy wagon shows up and people start getting cuffed….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
There's a weird community going on there
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Twitter
Do not stare directly at the comments on MLB.com
as they may cause blindness, vomiting, and an appreciation for Jeff Gordon’s writing.
What are the chances...
that the Cardinals replaced their Hall of Fame manager with another Hall of Fame manager? I know that is a lofty expectation on Matheny, but if he is as good as people are saying so far, would he be around here for 20 years and accumulate 1700 wins?
Yikes.
That’s a tough one. Especially since Hall of Fame Manager has such a nebulous actual meaning.
I will say this: Matheny is in a remarkably good spot, considering how highly the Cardinals value stability. There’s a good chance he’ll stick around for quite a while, which is really the biggest requirement to be a Hall of Fame manager anyway. Still, I can’t think the chances are any better than, say, 15%. And that’s probably being awfully optimistic.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Add to that...
he inherits a team that is the prohibitive to win the division and reach the playoffs in his first year, and is set up extremely well for success over the next few years. Right place, right time.
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
Don't forget Red
although he was just a fill in manager a couple times
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i thought it went
Red → Vern Rapp → Ken Boyer → Whitey
But all that was pretty much before I was born, so I’m just trusting Baseball reference’s front page.
Grit != flat out sucking.
oh wait
All I had to do was scroll over.
1990 – “Whitey Herzog (33-47), Red Schoendienst (13-11) and Joe Torre (24-34)”
So yeah, we go HOF manager → HOF manager → HOF manager in one year. Because that’s how we roll.
Grit != flat out sucking.
wait, the viet cong get a vote in the baseball hall of fame?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought about trying to make a "Charlie Hustle" joke here but then I gave up.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Whitey stepped down briefly to play GM full-time.
Red was the interim manager and then Whitey came back to managing the next year.
That was at the beginning of Whitey’s tenure.
favorite cardinal team of the last 12 years
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Probably the 2000 team.
Edmonds, Ankiel, Kile, and Matt Morris when he was still Matt Morris. Plus, it was such a change from the late 90s teams that it had a Cinderella feel to it. I loved that team.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
+1
The 2000 team was my favorite, too. Back then, at the beginning of 2000 season, I was just a Koeran baseball fan without a favorite MLB team. By the end of 2000 season, The Cards became my favorite team and Jim Edmonds became my favorite player.
Cardinals fan from Korea; Midwest-Far East Alliance
by FreeRedbird on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
2011
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
But only after August 1.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
04 and 05 were my other thoughts
but the huge tiebreaker was Berkman. That west coast road trip was awesome.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
2004 or 2006
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, no particular reason
I was just way more excited about 2006.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
still mad tyler greene didn't get starts at SS in september, eh?
by prophetjohn on Feb 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
no i loved furcal
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 23, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
MV3 and it's not even close really
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Feb 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
11
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Reg Season..'04
Playoffs… ’11…obvs.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
2004 or 2005
but 2011 is really dang close.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
man, that is a tough one
I’d have to go with the 2011 team by a hair over the 04 team…had the 04 squad beat the Red Sox, it’d probably be on top
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
2011 for sure
but i didn’t follow close enough in 2004/2005 for them to have a fair chance
i liked ’09 a lot, also
by prophetjohn on Feb 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
'09 = worst playoff experience ever.
except that time they cancelled the ’04 WS when the Cardinals were obviously steamrolling towards a title.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Not that long ago
I was talking with someone else who writes/wrote regularly about baseball and we both agreed that 2011 was a difficult year. Being realistic about 2011 and writing about it were largely incompatible because of the outcomes. As a result you were labelled a downer.
Last year was just weird for me. 2004-2005 were incredible. Those will always be my favorite seasons. I liked the 2006 postseason better than the 2011 one.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Primus on the playlist - very nice!
Granted we’re all probably bored with the Molina contract subplot (as referenced above), but I have to ask – Do you think we will get a deal worked out and if so when?
Also, a second question if I may – how do we convince the editors of the P-D to move Strauss to covering something (anything) else other than the Cards, and to let Goold replace him?
No.
I think Molina moves on after the season, likely trying to follow Albert to Anaheim. It’s a good fit, too.
And I have no idea. Wish I did.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Who do you see replacing Molina as catcher?
Will we roll with Tony Cruz, or take a look at the free agents?
Probably a short-term free agent.
I think the Cards are in a tough situation with this one. They may very well have to try and just bridge the gap for a couple years until they can come up with a long-term solution.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
2013 FA Catchers - Courtesy of MLBTR - Does anyone jump out at you? (besides Yadi)
Rod Barajas (37) – $3.5MM club option, no buyout
Josh Bard (35)
Henry Blanco (41) – $1.24MM mutual option
Ryan Doumit (32)
Koyie Hill (34)
Chris Iannetta (30) – $5MM club option with a $250K buyout; player can void
Gerald Laird (33)
Russell Martin (30)
Jeff Mathis (30)
Brian McCann (29) – $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
Jose Molina (37) – $1.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Yadier Molina (30)
Miguel Montero (29)
Mike Napoli (31)
Dioner Navarro (29)
Wil Nieves (35)
Miguel Olivo (34) – $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
Ronny Paulino (32)
A.J. Pierzynski (36)
Humberto Quintero (33)
David Ross (36)
Carlos Ruiz (34) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Brian Schneider (36)
Kelly Shoppach (33)
Chris Snyder (32) – mutual option
Yorvit Torrealba (34)
Matt Treanor (37)
Wow. That is pretty brutal.
Montero or Iannetta would probably make decent options. Napoli will never make it to free agency. Hell, Montero might not either.
The dream, of course, would be to use a big chunk of the farm depth the Cards have build and try to swing a deal for a guy like Matt Wieters if the Orioles decide to go whole hog on the rebuild.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting, I was thinking that was pretty good for a FA class.
Montero would be good and Russell would be fine as a stopgap. Chris Snyder was a great signing by the Stros; if he has a healthy/bounceback, he’d be ok. And if Yadi were signed by the Angels, Ianetta would be ok as a stopgap.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I semi-agree.
I think the FA class is pretty good. However if Yadi left we would almost certainly see a downgrade with whoever replaced him.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good as far as the number of options, or good as far as talent?
Me personally, I can count on one hand the number I would be interested in (not counting Yadi), and I would agree with RB that 2, maybe 3 of those few won’t make it to free agency.
Relative to MLB Catcher-level
This isn’t that bad of a class.
Catcher is a very weak position. This FA class seems to be with a lot of middling/average talent. No real name you would be too excited about, but talented catchers are very hard to come by.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably true.
Snyder and Martin are both pretty good. I missed Snyder the first time through. I don’t expect Martin to hit the market, though. I could be wrong. If he does, he probably becomes the best option, I think.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
True, but for the guys that don't hit the market (and that we might be interested in), it likely removes those teams as suitors for Yadi.
For example, if the Angels sign Yadi, Iannetta is likely available. If the Yankees sign Yadi, Martin is likely available.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind getting Wieters...
though if they go full-bore with a rebuild, he’s still fairly cost controlled – I’m sure we’d have to give up something decent to get him.
Absolutely.
But the farm is actually in a position now that giving up quality to bring in a guy like that is not only possible but also makes some real sense.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think it would take to get him?
Carlos Martinez? Zach Cox? Some combination of prospects and MLB ready talent, a la Boggs or K-Mac? (I wouldn’t necessarily classify K-Mac as “talent” but for arguments sake)
Wieters may be the best catcher in the majors.
I can’t fathom why Baltimore would make him available, but the cost starts with Shelby Miller and goes up from there.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, plus it's the Orioles
Angelos hasn’t exactly proved he has the mindset for a short-term loss for a long-term gain anyway.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yadier + Kyle Lohse for Weiters!
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
OT: I feel like I am betraying everything I hold dear, but....I am going to ask a fashion
question, with the hopeful intention that it will not digress into a huge skinny tie subthread. Ok, here goes: I am a pants person. I don’t think I’ve bought a pair of shorts in 5 good years. But an impending vacation makes it necessary, so I was wondering whether plain khakis are the way to go, or is a (not too obnoxious) plaid pattern okay, or something else? I literally have no idea what kind of shorts people wear these days.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Pastel colors for plain shorts
Plaid patterns are fine
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Does anyone use the term properly nowadays?
If we’re applying to jocks that are the 25th man on the roster…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i still don't do shorts right.
cargos all the way!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Please be joking?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i am not...
they are pretty much the only thing out there that i can find that actually cover my thighs the way i want shorts too, stylish or not. and i wear jeans to work over the summer so i’m only really wearing shorts at home anyway. but weekend outfits over the summer probably need some work.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
that sounds like an ironic thing
hipster
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
trust this guy's opinion on fashion
he seems to know what he’s doing
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
Owning a smart phone,
I still wear cargo shorts with regularity. They’re too convenient.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Smart phones also fit in regular pockets?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
But wouldn't Zack Morris be too preppy to wear cargo shorts???
It’s a paradox!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Just because I have a Zack Morris cell phone doesn't mean that I'm too preppy to wear cargo shorts.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jeez, don't need to go all "Zack Attack" on me
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Don't worry, Matty.
We’ll be Friends Forever.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why?
You spell “Zack” different than Mr. Morris.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Maybe his name is really "Parker Lewis" but he has Zack envy
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Parker Lewis is certainly no Zack Morris.
As an aside, I can’t believe I couldn’t immediately find a YouTube video of The Zack Attack hit single, “Friends Forever.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well, was jok
that being said, i think “Zack” is a sophomoric and silly way to spell one’s name. Zac, i can live with, but unless your given name is actually “Zackary” (i have met only one person in my life for whom this is true), i think it’s dumb.
this is probably one of the reasons i don’t like Zack Cox as much as most people do
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
What if your name is just "Zack" and not "Zachary?"
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well, if that's the name that's on your birth certificate
so be it
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I go by Sky, not Schuy
am I a bad person too?
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 5:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
nah, i don't extend my self-righteousness about my name to anyone else's
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
My parents were cruel, but not that cruel.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 8:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not a good way to start off Blues.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 8:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Also, buy a canvas belt
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I like them to add a bit of originality and color. If you're wearing plaid shorts and a similar-colored polo
You want to break it up somehow, A canvas belt does that pretty stylishly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's a good choice
I just prefer a striped canvas belt
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yuck.
Pastel colors for plain shorts are not a good look on everyone. A solid khaki is fine. Navy is also acceptable. Don’t dress like a fucking easter egg.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
so sayeth rui
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
With Timberlands!
It’s the Cardinal Way!
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I really like madras.
Be bold, and have some fun. You’re on vacation, and it’s summer. Take a chance. Buy something you aren’t entirely certain of and then wear the living hell out of those bitches.
That being said, khaki is just fine as well, so long as you’re willing to use is as a base for something interesting. Whatever you do, though, make sure you buy something that fits. Above the knee, if at all possible. Far too many men rock the ridiculous baggy overly long shorts look, and they just look terrible.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
A fellow pants man!
I’ve got one pair of simple khakis and two pairs of plaid shorts to cover for the hotter months.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
well, I'm kind of an jerkass in real life
so I feel like the one good deed I can do for society is not expose them to my legs
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for the advice, people
think I’ll go with a simple plaid. Back to baseball.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
You could consider something
in seersucker as well. Comfortable, breathable, and has a certain class to it you just don’t often see in men’s clothing, particularly of the summer month variety.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
And then wear a straw boater hat
If you get frustrated by something you can punch a hole in it with your fist.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I really like boaters.
But I’m sure we’ve been over this before.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not big on linen.
It works for some guys, but I just don’t like being that wrinkled. Also, for whatever reason the cut of linen shorts always tends to be a little odd to me.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I meant in pants.
Linen does not travel well, either, but I like having my linen suit for fancy beach outings. Also I have a wife who is interested in keeping me presentable, so it’s no extra work for me.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Man, now I'm all excited for summer, assholes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
This sentence is funnier without the second comma.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hm.
I guess it would make sense if he’s talking about ridiculous swim suits. Is Rui moving to Brazil or something?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Maybe.
I just picture a canister, shaped like a thin Pringles can, labeled “Summer Assholes”.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
White Castle chicken rings?
Sorry, old school boy humor.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Or any kind of can really.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Tend to be bleached in summer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
And shaven
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Waxed is better.
Less stubble that way.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Because let's face it,
that’s a five o’ clock shadow no one is happy with.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
jesus.
this is what i’ve missed?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
This is what it took you to post again?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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you know, i thought i'd log in, see what's going on. always love RB's chats
then i see a discussion about bleached assholes. and i’m disgusted and laughing at the same time. and isn’t that what veb is all about?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As long as I'm around it will be.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
yay.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
humble brag?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
...is there a euphemism here I don't get?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
There might be a pun you're not getting
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If you find a beer called Stone Alexnation, I'd like a heads up.
Jerk.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Ohhhhh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I heard it's very bitter
Either from the hops or from other beers getting more recommendations due to people not really understanding what’s being offered, I don’t know.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
all the Stone selections tend to be that way.
I prefer Arrogant Bastard of what they have.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I tend to just pass them by because they seem needlessly expensive at the grocery store
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
They're not bad, but you can do better.
Stone has a few good selections, but for a similar price point you can pick up something truly sublime from Unibroue or that sort of thing.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I hope I'm not just confusing them with Rogue
Because the few varieties of Rogue I tend to ever see at a Schnucks are also stupidly expensive compared to other beer of the same quality.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
But I feel like Stone is very pricey as well.
I think the only thing I ever tried of theirs was Levitation, which was good.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I hate that they have a Levitation and a Leviathan brand
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's possible.
Rogue’s flagship is Dead Guy Ale, which is fine, but nothing special.
The Stone varieties almost all have gargoyle motifs to the labeling.
Avery is easily confused with Stone, but produce better quality overall in my opinion. (Avery is also the king of ridiculous ABV beers. Try a Mephistopheles sometime.)
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I've never purchased Dead Guy Ale
There’s over-priced, and then there is ridiculous. But I have had some Rogue beers that were excellent. There is only a moderate selection at my normal grocery store, but I think they sell both Dead Guy and Arrogant Bastard and they are both too expensive for me to want to buy a six pack.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
it's a good thing for a treat
I’ve grabbed a couple single bottle rogues in the past—I remember liking their stout pretty well—and I don’t mind it as long as I can just get one to try. None of them are great enough to make me want to spend on a six pack.
Stone, on the other hand, I will put down the money for, at least when I want a beer to smack me in the mouth with a lot of hops on a hot summer day. I find them to be among the best-balanced really hoppy beers.
Really hoppy beers really aren't my thing anyway
so I figure it is usually not going to be worth it. I will enjoy it but then I will wonder if I want to finish the six pack.
I really, really liked Rogue Shaksepeare stout. I think I’ve had Double Dead Guy and that was good. I might have had normal Dead Guy before but maybe not.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
huh.
i find Dead Guy for a completely reasonable price, usually, and i buy it quite a bit.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
could just be my local liquor stores
I remember Rogue being a bit more reasonable back in my days of shopping at the glorious, glorious Amity liquor barn. But I was a bit more poor then, so it was still out of range.
Well, I could be thinking of something else
But I believe it’s close to twelve bucks for a six pack at my Schnucks. When I compare this to Schlafly or New Belgium stuff often for 6-7 bucks it’s very hard to justify.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yeah
you guys just pay less in general for beer, i think, and you have Schlafly so local that it’s pretty cheap. i don’t usually ever find a 6 i like for less than 9 bucks (sometimes, Sam is like 7-8), so paying 10 for Dead Guy doesn’t bother me at all.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
that seems about right
I think arrogant bastard is a really good deal where i am ($5 for a 24-oz’er), but $10 for a 6-pack of their average pale ale? uhhh.. no thanks.
> tebow
yeah
i think Stone 6s are really overpriced, but their bombers are fine.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Sublimely Self-Righteous is in my top 10 favorite beers of all time
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Ruination is definitely not bad, but it's a little raw for me
i prefer my IPAs with more complexity, Stone’s just slam you right in the face with a hammer.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
That sounds about right.
I generally find that all IPAs are like a punch in the mouth and I have no beer palate left after one. I always try to end on an IPA if I’m out tasting.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
yeah, i definitely do the same with tasting
but if i’m casually sitting down and having some beers, i can drink a good few IPAs, and i’d rather drink something with some real complexity than Ruination, which does to my palate exactly what you describe.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Even so,
I owned a linen suit once and just hated it. Miami Vice and wrinkles all day long. Blech.
But I’m sure you look lovely, Alex.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
If this is a true vacation
wear whatever the heck makes you comfortable. If there is ever a time where you just shouldn’t care what people think of your clothes, it’s on vacation
Really, you almost have to shave some
khaki ones. They go with everything. Plaid shorts only go with solid shirts of the same dominant color.
Anything flat-front is probably just fine.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Oh, and buy boat shoes
I ain’t even triflin’
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Being a baseball fan...
How about a pair of those “Coaches Shorts” that are like baseball pants, but only shorts? They have them in so many colors these days, you can’t help but to find a pair that will match your favorite shirts.
there is literally not a style of shorts that i like
which is a shame, because i like wearing shorts
by prophetjohn on Feb 23, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
With all the new research pointing out that we probably undervalue catcher D even more than originally thought
Could 5/55 actually be a steal for Yadi
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not a steal, but a fair contract, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was thinking, more or less, along the same lines
I wonder if he would agree to a 4/$46 contract with an option year at, say $10M.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
but i’m still a bit unsure of all of the implications of the new catcher research. Although it is starting to be verified with different methods.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
maybe. but what the market will bear for a top-flight defensive catcher
Remains totally undefined. Right now, you offer him something respectable but conservative (4y/$40m). If he rejects it, he wants to test the market anyway, and you’ll really have to overpay to overwhelm that bent.
You offer him the 1y/$12.5m required to get compensation after the WS, and maybe the same offer bumped up a little more ($44m? $48m?) if 2012 was a good year. If he turns both down, you wait for him to get another offer, and then compete.
It doesn’t make sense to get into uncharted waters for catcher compensation by bidding against yourself.
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 1:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What one player
will be played way too often at a position this year that everyone will know it’s not working, but will still be out there anyway? (Theriot, 1st place SS)
Because Matheny
Skip Schumaker, OTF.
(on the field)
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's more likely but I'm gonna gamble a little and say Cora.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Ugh.
Don’t even joke about that.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Not that he'll actually be that bad
In my predicted scenario he’ll play perfectly decent defense but will hit badly and will simply soak up way more PAs than we typically want back up infielders to soak up (which seems like it always happens, maybe our playing time expectations are wrong or maybe it was just a TLR thing).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oh, I think Cora has a decent shot to make the team, especially if Komatsu disappoints.
I will hate this, but it will not surprise me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think he has a decent chance of making the team
But since Skip is pretty much guaranteed to make the team I guess it seemed more likely he’d end up being the “playing way too often” guy.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Any place Skippy plays is out of position. . . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Does Shelby start at AA or AAA?
Do we see him this year?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
AAA, yes
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
He starts at Memphis,
and yes, we see him. Before September, too, I think. In what capacity I don’t honestly know, but I think he gets cup of coffee time at least on a couple occasions.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like he'll start at AAA, but I think I'd start him at AA.
His walk rate was climbing in the second half there. I’d like to see him blow hitters away there before moving on. It’s not as though there’s any rush.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think it will depend on how his secondary offerings look in Spring Training.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That would make a lot of sense to me.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
no...rotation
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm.
I’m going to say no. I think Romero is very much on his way out.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Way too early to tell
If Matheny turns out to be a TLR clone, then yes he will.
Otherwise, probably not…
By gosh!
Only if that's where the grounds crew stays
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
by akaitori on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This year's draft should be very interesting for a number of reasons. What should we be expecting?
From a narrative view, there’s the idea of the comp. picks to “replace” Albert, there’s the large number of picks in general following a massive FA departure, and from a VEB-FR perspective there’s Kantrovitz replacing Luhnow, the new draft rules, etc. Do you think the Cards will look to exploit a player falling down boards, or mostly play it safe in terms of cash? Do they come close to using the $9+ million in the allowed pool? It’s probably even harder to guess how the picks will look in terms of upside vs floor, and positions, but if you’ve an opinion on those I’d be interested to hear them.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
There's really too much uncertainty at this point with a new drafting guy to call it.
But, I think the large number of picks, combined with the remarkable state of the farm system, will lead the organisation to take at least a few risks in those first sixish selections.
I would project a balance of risks and a few predictable college arms. And I’m okay with that. I do think they prioritise catcher if it’s available, and possibly lean toward adding a power bat or two.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I think there will be some sort of mix. With that many picks, I just can't imagine them not getting one or two high upside players,
And I have too much respect for them to think they’ll go 100% “Moneyball”.
What do you think of the dearth of RHBs in the system in general? (The only RHB of consequence I can think of is Tommy Pham.) Mere coincidence, or the result (direct or indirect) of some sort of strategy? VEB tends to lean very much toward “best player available”, but should they consider looking for a RHB over a lefth-handed one?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know I would lean toward a player only because of handedness.
There might be some benefit in it, but I honestly don’t know.
As far as the lack of right-handed hitters, I think it’s mostly just a coincidence. Same way with the utter absence of left-handed pitching. I don’t think there’s anything systemic about either; I think things have just worked out that way for now.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
That Jupiter bit was hilarious
Well done, sir.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gracias.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not really, no
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's still bothering me. But I don't know anyone that follows MLS. (Sorry.)
Let me know if you find out. Someone at your office would know, but you just don’t want to ask, right?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently it's a slogan that the owner made up and he wants the team to adopt as a marketing slogan
…which we’re not. So he’s just going to keep using it himself.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...huh.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's not a far cry from the truth
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
this is somehow both a satisfying and unsatisfying explanation.
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
Today is the 32nd anniversary of the US defeating the Soviet team 4-3 in the medal round at the 1980 Olympics in what is known as the Miracle on Ice
Greatest hockey game ever ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions
As far as meaning and being an upset (and it was an enormous upset) absolutely
As far as purely good hockey game it was pretty well just a regular game, not even OT. It was a little back and forth I suppose but not much. So it depends on what you define as greatest
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think certainly so. Is there any more well-known game? Not that I know of. Maybe something from the Gretzky
era, but I doubt it.
I think that game is among the iconic sporting events of all time. Not just hockey games. “Miracle on Ice” is just so well known.
1994, Eastern Conference Finals
NY Rangers down two games to three against the hated Devils. Game 6 is in the swamp. Mark Messier, Ranger captain, guarantees a win in game 6 to bring it home to the Garden. He assists on a Kovalev goal, but going into the 3rd period, he rattles off a natural hat trick on his way to becoming the first man to captain two separate teams to a Stanley Cup.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Soccer fans:
I’m laid up after some surgery and can’t find the remote. So I’m watching UEFA Champions League action. If you were let’s say, Arsenal or fill-in-the-blank, would you rather win English Premiership or the UEFA Championship?
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 3:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
UEFA, by far
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Also, how many teams make it?
It’s what, 4 from the Premiership?
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, depends on the league
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sorry, hit "Add New Comment"
but it acted like a reply. Poor form!
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 3:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, it's not that.
I can’t imagine Newcastle winning anything, so I don’t know how to answer.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I'm a Newcastle Falcons fan, they're working on getting their asses relegated.
Tough year for Newcastle fans in general.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
UEFA.
But Arsenal right now would just like to make it to top 4 in the Premiership.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
Thanks. I used Arsenal just 'cause.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Monday Night Miracle?
For Blues buffs anyway
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Last time I try to make a strained, not particularly apt Simpsons reference
Well, probably not really
Intrinsically no, for all the other stuff around it yes
I’ll take the Miracle on Manchester game 3 against the Gretzky/Messier/Kurri/Fuhr Oilers.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm watching the movie...I'm about to cry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
It's been fun, folks.
But I must go now. Take care, and I’ll see you all next Wednesday.
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
TONY LARUSSA IS COMING TO KIRKSVILLE, YOU GUYS
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions
What for?
I met Whitey there once, I guess his granddaughter went there while I did.
Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM
to speak on something or other.
also, really?! no other reactions to this?!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I want to know more
Kirksville? Truman? ATSU? Kirksville humane society (holy shit depressing place)? KHS baseball?
I was curious and figured you’d reply to Choix more in depth and waited 4 hours.
I’m amazed he’ll have time to do draw himself away from Tigers camp for little lonely Kville
SORRY I WAS BUSY
and he’s coming to truman’s campus to speak about….something. who knows.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it'll be really interesting to see what it actually is.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
then maybe he'll buy everyone shots at wrongdaddy's
/yeah right
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, idk where Kirksville is or anything about it.
And I assume Tony goes lots of places. And even if he didn’t, I’ve seen enough of him on TV to last me a while.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, basically this ^^
You may have as well said “TLR is coming to Bentonville!” and I would’ve cared about as much. Sorry about the lack of response…
By gosh!
by hr on Feb 22, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
i actually don't care.
i was just baiting. it worked.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Did it?
I don’t think a “nobody cares” response to “why aren’t there more reactions?” is really a successful bait.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
the fact that someone replied is success, really.
doesn’t really matter what it is.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
This is the worst definition of success ever.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 22, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
it's fang
success is relative, in this case
by mattyfrommo on Feb 22, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gordo's Article today
Has anyone read Jeff Gordon’s article today about Molina? Does he know anything about baseball, sports, economics or life in general? Does the Post-Dispatch actually pay him to write this garbage?
No, no, no, no, no, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
lol
That’s not a good business model for the P-D
by Salti Cracker on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
He HAS to do something else besides blog for them.
Maybe he vacuums?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Or
Perhaps he gives the best back rubs ever!
by Salti Cracker on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I like
That he says they ABSOLUTELY HAVE to sign him, and then a few paragraphs down says, “The Molina money shouldn’t get too crazy”
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also
The comment section of STLToday per usual is filled with some of the dumbest arguments that embarrass me to live in the same metropolitan area.
by Salti Cracker on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So, Albert still doesn't like being called El Hombre.
Time to move on.
(I don’t think this is nexdef’d, at least not in this thread. I wasn’t around much yesterday)
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
Thanks for posting
I guess now the question is do the Angels replace those 20 El Hombre billboards. I would guess they don’t.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 22, 2012 3:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My questions are
1) How many So. California baseball fans have any idea who Stan Musial is, 2) how many in that group know his nickname is “The Man,” and 3) of that group, how many give a rat’s ass?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
All of these populations appear to be less than
the population of scorned St. Louisans who care what’s on 20 billboards in California that they’ll probably never even see.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And my personal fave
Extra points for anyone who can make this read “Big A-jol”
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 22, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling that some people are disappointed with this continued stance by Albert.
Seems like people want to take every available swipe at him now that he’s gone.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
i took a bourbon break for a month or two, and then had some Woodford Reserve last night, which i hadn't had in a long time
and was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
two
inexpensive: bulleit
not inexpensive: pappy van winkle
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
any of them? or a particular year?
not that i’ll find it/have the money to buy a bottle anytime soon, but i have found it at some bars i like, but have been a little put off by the price
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
All I've had is the Family Reserve 15 year.
It was great.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
Wife got put on the list for some Pappy Van Winkle
15 year, I think.
Spec’s said it would be in either in April or August. They don’t list it online.
Freudian slip - I know what you were gonna say.
There’s a dark side to you fink, I just know it.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bottle of the Van Winkle Special Reserve. It does the trick.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You have the special reserve? Is that the "lot B?" Where did you find it?
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
Thanks. Somehow, I've never been there. I'll have to stop by this weekend.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
Yes, I believe that's it.
She’s not good with names or descriptions. But she does go out and buy me Balvenie Single Barrel and Oban 14yr and Redbreast.
Whiskey's too rough
Champagne costs too much
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cider?
I’m not talking the malt variety. The real stuff from apples
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 22, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mine is not Bourbon, Missouri
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've driven by the exit for Bourbon many many times
but have never been there, is it that bad?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 23, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
For price and quality
Seagrams 7 is my go to drink. Always drink it on the rocks
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 22, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Here's an interesting question
So, at the end of close basketball games, when a team NEEDS to score, it almost always goes with an ISO play, correct?
Why not run an ISO play all the time, then?
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Not to defend the logic 100%
But they don’t just need to score, they need to score and use as much clock as possible.
Not afraid to nitpick
Okay, sure, that's a fair point
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I mean, this probably wouldn't be that hard to study, if I had access to the data
Find the points per play of all ISO plays, find the points per play of all plays, compare the two
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I believe Iso plays have a lower PPP
But that’s also a selection bias problem. No one but the Lakers run Iso with 24 seconds on the clock.
Not afraid to nitpick
Which premise?
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It is definitely an interesting issue
The thing is it is hard to get a shot within the flow of the offense and not leave extra time on the clock.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Don't teams in that situation run ISOs a lot because they don't have a full 24 second clock
and aren’t in the best position to run their complete offense in 8-16 seconds (or whatever is the average time left in these situations)?
The other reason of course is that it gives the team’s best player a chance to score or get fouled. If you’ve got one possession, you give it to your best player (especially if there are “time” issues and you can’t run your regular offense). But that doesn’t mean you’d give your best player 75 ISO possessions in a row.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Why not? (to your last point)
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because if you do that, they will start double/triple/etc teaming that player until he gives the ball up- this is just how basketball is played
also, it burns the player out, and stagnates your offense.
the best offenses in basketball i have seen are those in which all 5 players on the court are a legitimate offensive threat, but also with an exceptional scorer or two- it makes the defense respect every player on the court, opens things up, and creates movement. and in basketball, movement is what leads to easy baskets. all it takes is for one defender to slip/react incorrectly, and you have an open basket.
an isolation play, on the other hand, stops everything, and makes it all about one player beating one player- if he doesn’t, there’s not going to be a basket off the isolation. it kills the flow of the game.
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I've never understood an ISO to be "you take the shot, fuck everything else"
You make a move, if you drive to the basket and someone doubles you, then kick it out. You’d get a lot of open looks for 3, would you not?
I don’t know that a bunch of ISOs burns a player anymore than running through an offense. That seems like an assertion without evidence
“best offenses” thing is anecdotal
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And sorry if I'm coming off as a dick
I like to ask questions and figure out why people think the way they do. Try and get them tor really evaluate their positions
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no, you're not
my opinion here is colored by watching a vast amount of NBA in the past 5 years, and a BIT of college basketball. that’s what i watch. for better or for worse, what i usually see is someone like Melo isoing up, and i don’t see very many open 3s coming off that.
think about Lin, for example. he gets people open all the time when he drives to the basket, but those aren’t isolation plays. those are plays that often involve screens, and come in the flow of the offense. someone comes over to double, and bam, he dumps it off- but he usually has a guy right open.
if you’re running a true clearout iso, especially in these end of game scenarios you’re talking about, where defenders are going to be especially conscious of their man, you have to be a pretty damn good passer to hit the open guy if someone doubles down, and USUALLY, the guy who doubles down will be someone guarding the man on the floor who is NOT a 3pt threat.
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the only isolation play i can see clearly in my mind run by Lin, FWIW, is the one on Calderon at the end of the Raptors game
where he hit a 3 to win the game- that by all the percentages, is not a particularly great shot (although he did create room).
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Your assertion that teams always run ISOs at the end of games is anecdotal.
Is it because Kobe takes a lot of shots at the end of close games?
Also, it’s intutively logically (if not completely obvious) that funneling the entire offense through one player for the entire game to make one-on-one moves and shots, game after game, is going to tax that player more.
Running more and jumping more = more wear-and-tear, fouls received, and more fatigue. If you think running more and jumping more, and getting hacked more doesn’t make a player more tired, you come up with the evidence to dispute that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's not an assertion. It was a question that you could answer however you wanted
And your second point is fair. It’s not like it doesn’t make logical sense. But he has to run in setting up an offense anyways, so you’re not comparing it to a baseline of 0. How much more taxing is it?
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Running Iso absolutely uses more energy for that one player than the normal offense
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah, i'm not sure how to prove this point except to tell you to go play pickup basketball
and then run 25 straight plays through you (good luck finding a group of guys who’ll let you do that), but it’s absolutely, unequivocally, 100% true.
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but, FWIW, i don't think this is a big reason not to run isos all the time
the teams that have people you want to run isos through all the time usually have players that can hold up to that load anyway (Kobe, LeBron, Melo)
i really think the stagnation and the lack of getting everyone else involved would be a MUCH bigger deal.
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It kills the flow if the offensive player doesn't know how to pass.
John Pazson, Steve Kerr, Bob Horry and many others hit big shots b/c they played with great offensive players who could use a clear out play to get other guys open.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
For the same reason you wouldn't run Barry Sanders 67 times in a row.
The play becomes predictable and easier to defend and Barry gets real fucking tired.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
If you run the ball in football though, you have literally no other option when the play starts
You can kick the ball out in an ISO. And again, I don’t know that running an ISO is more tiring to a player than running through the offense
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well-
i’m not sure when a team needs to score, all teams will use an isolation play. a team like the Denver Nuggets of 2-3 years ago, with a transcendent scorer (Carmelo Anthony) who excels in isolation situations, and a team of scrubs behind him, sure. but in those situations, a lot of professional teams that do not have this specific set of personnel will run something like a pick and roll, attempting to EITHER get an easy basket (unlikely) or forcing a defensive switch to a favorable matchup where an isolation play is exceptionally successful.
here’s why i think this happens, though- for better or for worse, NBA teams: a. would like their best player/closer to take the final shot, so that they can say they “gave it their best effort”, and b. do not want their final possession to end in a turnover.
what’s the most likely play to get your best player a decent shot? an isolation play. does this mean that this is the highest points per play option in the playbook? probably not- but maybe, for example, a pick and roll play that is your “best” play also yields a fairly high number of turnovers that, in a vacuum, are balanced out by the higher chance of you scoring on the play- but in a final shot scenario, will end the game without you even getting a shot up.
finally- i think the fatigue factor is a big deal. you’re hoping, with these plays, to get your best player matched up one on one with his defender- and if he’s really your best player, he should have ground this guy down all game.
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It still represents a logical fallacy on the part of the teams, right?
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probably, yeah- i would say there is no more reason to run an iso at the end of a game than there is any other particular play
i still think it is proper to run a vast variety of plays, to keep the defense off balance, all your players involved, get different looks/matchups, etc.
just because you have an absolutely deadeye 3pt shooter does not mean you are going to run a disproportionately large number of plays to get him 3s, are you? just like an incredible post offense player isn’t going to have all the plays run through him. more than the average team, sure, but there is a real role for offensive variety in basketball.
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I posted this upthread but
I really do believe a big part of the ISO being the last shot play has to do with when the shot has to take place. It is hard to predict when a shot will happen when it occurs naturally through the offense and teams really hate leaving time on the clock.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
And for good reason
Even if you leave enough time for the opposing team to score only 30% of the time, you’re better off wasting the extra amount of time and making your own opportunity go from say 50% to 40%
Not afraid to nitpick
anecdote alert -
Sebastian Pruiti breaks down OKC’s typical reliance on isolation at the end of games and how/why they had been unsuccessful.
One idea is that end of games are fundamentally different situations because refs tend to swallow the whistle. I have no proof of this, but it is certainly possible.
Durant’s lack of strength has hindered him late in games. Too often, stronger defenders knock him off his path, and screens and cuts become ineffective. For this reason, the Thunder tend to isolate Durant to make sure that he gets the ball.
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I hope everyone buys tickets when the giveaway is TLR retirement figurine!
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i find myself with an unexpectedly free evening
is there anything to talk about?
Bursting into song.
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One of the most entertaining to watch is Motte. There are a lot of players who, at this point in camp, are working their way up to throwing at 100 percent velocity. That’s normal. Watching Motte, though, I get the impression that he is incapable of anything less than giving everything. It’s Feb. 22, and he was going full throttle with every pitch.
for any of you baseball video game fans
mlb 12 the show’s come out with a handful of gameplay vids… three of them feature the cards.
as an avid show player, i must say that this game should be a good one.
I hate that I can't get it for 360.
I have almost bought a PS3 before solely because of that game.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
to me, mlb 2k looks cartoonish
it’s really too bad that EA lost their baseball license a few years back. i think this might be sony’s last year before the license is up for grabs again.
i'm with you there
the show is a good game, but i was a much bigger fan of MVP Baseball in the old days… and i think that 360 owners are unfairly getting screwed by the show being strictly for the Playstation systems. i actually have a handful of friends who bought a PS3 just for the show, because 2k was pretty dang bad.
2K is awful. I bought a PS3 a while back and am so glad there is another option.
The franchise mode isn’t all that horrible on 2k and I would say the player ratings are probably more accurate, but the gameplay on the Show is SO much better and you can just adjust player ratings anyway, so not a huge deal,there either.
I’m with everyone else though, the EA baseball games were the best…i love the Show but I wouldnt mind if EA wins back the rights to make MLB again.
by mick311 on Feb 22, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correct. Let's see MVP again.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 6:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's not Sony's that's blocking them, it was 2K.
They saw what EA did with football and did the same back to them with baseball. The Show can be made because it’s Sony developing it and the licenses only restrict 3rd-party games. I realize it doesn’t matter, I’m just saying.
Also, the Show is awesome and I’m totally open to MVP getting made again. 2005 FTW!
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 22, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
There is too many video games coming out that I really want to play
Boarderlands 2, Diablo 3, and Mass Effect 3.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Twisted Metal.
My 14 year old self just got priaprism.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 7:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
nytimes has an obit today for the lead artist on
Skyrim and Fallout 3.
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 1:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i knew he passed away
He did some amazing work
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
so when can we have video game motte teach real motte those other pitches?
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome, I may have to pick that one up.
But WTF’s up with the left field wall?! Did anyone else notice that?
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 22, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
like that every year in The Show games
Real life = legendary cardinals in black and white with the hats and logos in red and whatnot….
But in the game, they do not have license to legends and hall of famers like that, so they put some of the current cardinals on the wall to fill in… its better than having a blank wall…
by lauderdale on Feb 22, 2012 8:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah, figured it was something like that.
Didn’t know, I’ve only played the 2K games.
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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 22, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
although it looks like in MLB 10
they had something like the actual wall. (hard to make out though)
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols still doesnt like nickname
But it feels pretty goofy to call him The Eliminator or His Ridiculousness.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
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If you get a piece of it, you can name it
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 23, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Jim Bowden but still...
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Oswalt could make decision by tomorrow on his next team according to a source..should be a busy rest of the week w/ Braun, expanded playoffs
getitdunmo amirite
Sure, this sounds like an airtight and fact-based statement.
Care to elaborate?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
exactly where do these Oswalt retirement rumors stem from?
He has given every indication that he intends to play…you know other than signing with someone already.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming he says which team tomorrow (and I think he won't)
I say Astros, Tigers, Cards, Royals, in that order.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Has he ever shown any interest in Astros, Tigers, or Royals.
I don’t think he’ll sign with a bad team like the Astros or Royals. I do think he’ll sign with the Cards. Maybe the Red Sox, but probably the Cardinals I think.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm betting Astros
Luhnow wants him to make the Hall in an Astro uniform. He might give him the 10 mil or 2 years he is looking for.
Just win
I don't think there have been any reports of his interest in them; have there been?
And I seem to recall him telling the Pirates he was not interested. I don’t think he wants to play for a team that’s not going to compete. That’s why the main teams he called were the Rangers, Cardinals, and Red Sox.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
i saw a report that Astros were interested
how could they not be interested? Oswalt may not be interested in them, though
Just win
Yes, I don't think Oswalt has any intention to play for a team that won't be a primary playoff contender.
I’m sure Astros would love to have him at these prices, and geographically they do make sense.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I bet he doesn't announce tomorrow and then signs with a team mid-season.
But if he chooses tomorrow, that’s my order.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
If he's hurt maybe..
But I don’t see why he’d do this if he isn’t hurt.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will sign with someone soon.
Probably not tomorrow though. Thats my guess. I think theres a good chance he signs with Houston also. So far from what I have heard, the most important thing is that he play close to home.
I had heard he already turned down an offer from DET for 1/10m, so I doubt he signs there. I think we still have a good chance of signing him, along with HOU and TEX, thats my prediction.
by mick311 on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he turned down a 1/10 offer from the tigers
so he’s going to be thinking as much about the city he’s playing in as the money.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
lol Could be.
I sure wouldn’t want to play there.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
He already turned down a 10 million dollar offer from the Tigers, IIRC
Also, why the hell would he want to sign with the Royals (or the Astros for that matter) if he’s looking to play on a contender.
Cards and Red Sox have to be the favorites.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I refuse to believe the Rangers are out of it
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
They would be dumb to sign Oswalt
They already have a 5th starter who’s basically as good, and way younger and cheaper and under team control for more years.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
are you talking about Harrison, Ogando, or Feliz?
It wouldn’t be a shock for them to leave Feliz or Ogando or both in the pen.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison
He was worth 4.2 WAR last year.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't consider him the 5th starter.
Maybe they do, though.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
is he the 4th starter?
and Ogando and Feliz are 5?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's the way I think it should be
But you’re right…I don’t see why they seemed so hot for Oswalt when they’re obviously not hurting for starters.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I don't think they'll do it.
Boston still might, but I think Oswalt would prefer the Cardinals.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Even assuming he turned that offer down from the Tigers, he may reconsider it given the way things have gone.
Also, if he signs with the Astros, he may have a side deal to be traded to an Oswalt-approved contender midseason.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oswalt-approved = Cardinals?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I hear the Cards know some people in the Stros front office.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
What? Like who?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
oh god...
No poaching, Jeff!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
why wouldn't he just sign with the Oswalt-approved contender now?
The Astros certainly aren’t going to offer a lot of money.
Tigers, maybe. I’m inclined to think he really doesn’t want to pitch there if he turned down 10 million already.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, because teams that may be interested in July may not be interested now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
aren't the Cardinals basically his perfect team?
They are close to home, he has said he’d love to pitch here, and they are contenders.
The only reason he wouldn’t sign with the Cardinals is if they offer him way lower money than another team. But I don’t see the Astros offering any more money than the Cardinals. So there’s little logic to me behind him signing with the Astros.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Knows guys on the team too.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Two things might make him sign with the Astros now over the Cards
Money (we have no idea what the Crads have offered – I suspect not much) and a guaranteed spot in the rotation. Without these, the Cards may not be that attractive to him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Cards would put Oswalt in the pen.
Dunno if Astros would pay Oswalt much more than the Cards either, but that’s possible.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think the rotation issue is the biggest barrier to Oswalt signing here.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how the Cards would sign him but NOT guarantee him a rotation spot.
Because of Westbrook???
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Willie McGee has some odd opinions about the whole Westbrook thing
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
You only think it's odd because you've never been in charge of an organization or a bunch of people.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, WMT.
I thought he meant actual Willie McGee. I was thinking, “Gee, that’s odd. First I’ve heard of this.” I still don’t see how they would even consider putting Oswalt in the bullpen though.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure a shitload of people are with me on this one
So that’s a ridiculous argument. Westbrook’s contract does not garauntee him a spot in the rotation. His performance last year certainly didn’t earn him a spot in the rotation.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you understand my point about this anyway.
Obviously Westbrook’s contract doesn’t guarantee him a spot in the rotation.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
what is your point?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to type it all out again. It's been said before and I'm watching tv.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck yeah I win!
Sign Oswalt!
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I want to sign Oswalt.
I just think it’s less likely because he’d have to take a big discount and not be guaranteed a rotation spot.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
he'd definitely be guaranteed a rotation spot.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, if anyone has to compete for a rotation spot after an Oswalt signing
it’s Lohse and Wb — not Oswalt.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
correct..
and I certainly don’t see why Lohse would have to fight for a spot either.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Appearances I think.
One of those things where nominally they’re competing, but really Lohse would have to suck or get blown away by Wb to lose the spot.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
He'd likely win a spot in the rotation
But that’s not the same thing.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even think it would be presented as a competition
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
And that's where we would disagree.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Oswalt have to prove himself over Westbrook?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Because westbrook isn't lance Lynn or some other young player for one thing.
This is how organizations work. There just not going to demote Westbrook or Lohse with a verbal guarantee to Oswalt, imo.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Westbrook and Oswalt are almost the exact same age
Oswalt is 1 month older and has had damn near a HOF career. Why does he have to battle with Jake Westbrook who is coming off a bad year and has had a pretty “meh” career?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you looking at this as if these aren't people that need to
Have their relationship with club managed? This isn’t Vep’s fantasy team.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
There's a difference between managing the relationship
and prioritizing their feelings over the success of the team.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 23, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
a big difference
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well, It doesn't have to be an either-or proposition.
And in fact, my proposed way accounts for this.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
your way would make sense
If it was like John Garland or Aaron Harang and not Roy Oswalt.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
This is your blind spot, IMO.
You think it matters so much how good Westbrook was by fWar last year in so far as to how he’ll get treated. Does garland have an 8mm$ guaranteed deal with a NTC this year after being with the team two years? Nope.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not judging Westbrook on last year.
I’m judging him and Oswalt on their entire careers. Westbrook’s contract or NTC shouldn’t matter when picking your 5 best starters. Oswalt shouldn’t have to prove he’s better than Westy because he’s proved it for the last 11 seasons. Saying Garland or Harang don’t have the same contract as Westy is pointless because I’m suggesting that if the cards signed a pitcher like that instead of Oswalt…then it could be reasonable to have them battle for a 5th rotation spot because they’ve had similar careers. There is nothing similar about the careers of Westy and Oswalt.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, and I'm saying I don't think this
Is the paradigm that the team is looking at this situation through. If you think contract status and tenure don’t matter, there’s nothing I can say to change your opinion. I just don’t agree.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Ultimately..
I think Westy would request a trade anyway and the cards would have to eat money…but even if they didn’t move him there isn’t a reason in the world that Oswalt needs to prove he’s a better pitcher than Westbrook. I think Jake Westbrook would even agree.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe WB would.
He’s been traded like 5 times. Of course, maybe that makes him less likely to request one.
Also, if the Cards have to eat money I’d give even lower odds of signing Oswalt.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
i disagree with this.
unless it really does take STL $10 million to land Roy, which I don’t think it will. Remember I’m also holding firm on K-Mac being traded. The way I see it…Westy is at $8.5 million and K-Mac is at $2.5 million. Thats $11 million. Trade those 2 and eat say $4 million and sign Roy Oswalt for lets say $8 million and you really haven’t spent or sacrificed much to get Roy O.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I certainly would like to see KMac traded.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Cardinals just need to be more bold about this..
I think they are afraid Westy won’t waive the NTC. However, if they just go ahead and bring Oswalt in, Westy will obviously be more open to it knowing he isn’t guaranteed a spot in the rotation. Sure, it’s risky, but I don’t see this being a terrible PR move for future players nor do I think Westy would just decide that he is okay pitching out of the pen. Westy ain’t waiving the NTC because he has no reason to right now.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
But it's a status issue, and contract is just one part of it.
Oswalt has received CY Young votes 6x and MVP votes 4×. His career ERA is a run lower, and he was much better than Wb last year as well.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 23, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
If it's the whole..
“no one will want to sign here because of the way we treated Jake Westbrook” argument….I think that is complete crap.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
because that argument depends on the idea that Westbrook deserves a spot in the rotation. If he doesn’t, and he doesn’t if we sign Oswalt, there’s no breach.
Look at what happened with starter Ryan Theriot.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
That argument (though it's not mine)
Does not depend on those things at all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's definitely overstated.
Every player knows that if they play like crap, they can be benched or replaced. Only stars with inflated egos think otherwise. Wb isn’t one of those guys.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm saying the lack of a spot is why Oswalt would not sign with the Cards.
And yes, I don’t think the Cards would “guarantee” a spot to Oswalt given Westbrook.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think if the Cardinals signed Oswalt it would
without question be to REPLACE Jake Westbrook. If the Cards were satisfied with Jake, Oswalt’s name would’ve never been mentioned on Mozeliak’s phone.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, no way he's signing a 6 million dollar reliever
after his construction of the bullpen over the past two years.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Was their offer before or after the Prince contract?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
before
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
So that contract might not be on the table anymore.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
that would make sense
but I dunno how crazy their owner is.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good point.
Fairly crazy it seems.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but wasn't that DET offer prior to them signing Fielder?
who knows if its even still on the table. Thats how I remembered it anyway.
by mick311 on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And even if it's not still 10MM, it could be 7 or 8. That still might be several million more than other offers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
the latest reports have never included the tigers as an option
its down to the rangers cards and perhaps red sox. i am baffled that some think the astros are a viable option.
I am baffled that you think the latest reports are necessarily accurate.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
well they aren't always 100 percent but they are a right a hell of a lot more
than random message board dude giving out a list based on random hunches. and sorry to be honest i didn’t realize you were the one that listed the astros first, i often don’t read usernames.
Um, the whole point was to throw out random hunches
Based on a likely BS report that Oswalt was going to announce tomorrow morning.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
ok?
i never said there was anything wrong with you throwing it out there, but forgive me for trusting the guys who have connections to the situation more than your list.
my original point was i disagree that the astros are a viable option at all nonetheless the #1 contender to sign him.
It's not very daring or interesting to pick the teams he's already linked to.
All I was doing was trying to guess which team, if he picked one tomorrow. I did have to laugh about your random message board dude comment – I ate lunch with an Astros exec yesterday and wish now I had thought to ask him about Oswalt.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 23, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Psh. He's going to the Angels anyway.
Everyone else is.
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by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Lets just send Westy to the Angels for whoever is the worst player in their minor league system.
Surely he’d approve of joining a dominant rotation on a contending team, right? Just saying…Halo’s need a 5th starter.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Royals have one good team in their division
and are really just a few starters shy of being a contender in the AL. He’d be one of those starters (for however many starts he can make).
By the way, spring training has begun
and we still do not know how many teams will make the playoffs this year. Bizarre.
mothership updates from today
matheny steals http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26797656¬ebook_id=26804454&vkey=notebook_stl&c_id=stl
mitchell changeups http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26797656¬ebook_id=26804452&vkey=notebook_stl&c_id=stl
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 22, 2012 7:29 PM EST reply actions
I found this sentence funny
The early start also means that by the time the club begins its full-squad workouts on Friday, Greene will already have close to eight weeks of defensive work as a base.
All I could picture was Tyler Greene standing where second base normally is, painted all white and curled up into a little ball, pretending to be a base.
yeah I couldn't figure out what they were talking about there
he is the keystone
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 22, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
hey
At least he’s on the field…
And here I am sitting on my couch only wishing I could get the chance to be a base.. nothing inflates the ego more than being something worth stealing
by lauderdale on Feb 22, 2012 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
quote found on matheny's facebook page
MY CAREER FIELDING PERCENTAGE AT CATCHER OVER 13 SEASONS IS .994
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 22, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions
Walt!
Also, the Bruins’ goaltender looks like a Victorian-era bare knuckle boxer.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 22, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions
missed the first period
what in the world happened??
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Bad Blues giveaway. Bruins goal.
Then Crombeen fight. Traded goals back and forth since then. Crombeen and Stewart for the Blues. End to end, poor defensive puck movement.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yuck
I saw the replay. . . that will end up being Reaves’ goal on the tip in
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Wow guys.
…any defensive coverage?
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
apparently not
lost this one in the 2nd when they couldn’t convert any of their 100 scoring chances
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Haha
I didn’t know there was a sequel!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgC_c9hI8E&feature=related
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
hlarious!!!!
“Skip to the loo?! More like Skip’s coming thruu!”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
apparently this one came first
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
nope I was right the 1st time.
(yes, I know no one cares)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
STOP STEALING OUR--
Um actually I’m OK with this.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I thought it was the Angels, not the Astros...
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
i like to believe that MLBTR is messing with me
but its probably my mistake
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
The important thing is- he didn't sign with the Cardinals.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 22, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Who's sold on Saint Louis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0LNRZxax_k&feature=related
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:18 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
This is my favorite.
Ever.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
also possible Moocow siting at 1:42 mark
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Talkin' baseball in Saint Lou..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ5AF7a7MJs&feature=related
Ok…no more youtube tonight…I promise…
enjoy
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions
ok...you should seriously click this one...
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when this was in heavy rotation on the radio.
The Cards look mighty
They’re managed by Whitey
So let’s play ball!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite line is ...
“17 went down in just one fall……now Gibby’s in the Hall!”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Brewers' version is just depressing.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
FYI and this just in. . . . - some multi $kazillionaire here is betting that baseball will take off in Asia
He’s building a baseball complex – two diamonds, batting cages and other facilities in the heart of Bangkok. Would love to see Spring Training come this way. .. might not do much for the conditioning drills or family-values wing of the Cards, but it would be a hell of a good time.. .
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I didn't know that was a mang, mang.
by openside on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ok...fuck you all...1 more...i don't care...this is pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XryyKO9l-1I&feature=related
“I Was Born a Cardinal Fan”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 22, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
VEB, give me a funny movie to watch
previous likes: Harold and Kumar, Waiting, Supertroopers.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
2nd H&K movie
Beerfest
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was considering watching H&K 2, but I've seen it like 3 times already
I didn’t really like Beerfest for some reason.
Any others?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
H&K3 is at Red Box now.
What other types of movies you like? Randomly: I really liked Stranger than Fiction.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I saw HK3 the other day
it was pretty funny actually. I like dark psychological or philosophical movies, but I’m in the mood for a comedy.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Horrible Bosses
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Stranger than Fiction is a comedy.
Though it’s also semi-philosophical. It’s good. Very different than other Will Ferrell movies. Watch the trailer if you haven’t seen it.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I saw it a few years ago
I’m looking for more an idiot comedy, that ones actually sort of intelligent.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Anything by Mel Brooks.
Or any of the Naked Gun movies.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Idiocracy.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I might do this
I like luke wilson.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
or for something more recent
as much as I hate to admit it, Get Him to the Greek was actually decently funny. Much funnier than The Hangover, at least.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I loved Get Him to the Greek
each time I’ve watched it, it’s gotten better.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Watch it with the alternate soundtrack on
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 23, 2012 12:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A few
Ace Ventura Pet Detective
Hot Fuzz
Human Traffic (personal favorite)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
The Other Guys
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Human Traffic was easily my favorite movie in college
It honestly took multiple viewing though to decipher the British
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Alright I'm watching Bad News Bears, the 2005 version
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 23, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
prob nexdef'd but this is my motto of late
by saul wright on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I saw my monitor flash red out of the corner of my eye
and thought my computer had lost its mind.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Continental....What are you doing, Continental?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
that's awesome! i'm so stealing this
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
the bat in the picture gave me inspiration for the best
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dammit all to hell i always miss RB's chats
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
you just missed him
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
only a few short 12hrs too late
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
late night in session? no? okay.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Well, not with that attitude.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
damn kids & their tudes
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
Just saw janes addiction at the pageant
It was okay. From what they were saying we were the first concert of the tour.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 23, 2012 12:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll take it.
I guess I can email my address and you can just ship it to me whenever.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Random:
I’ve always argued that the tradition of various bat and ball games in St. Louis provided an infrastructure that the New York game used to help establish itself. There were clubs, grounds and a tradition of playing bat and ball games among adults in St. Louis prior to the advent of the New York game in the city in 1859. The new game latched onto these traditions and the community of ballplayers gravitated to the new game. The traditions that surrounded the playing of town ball and cricket in St. Louis made it easier for the new game to be accepted and grow in St. Louis. I think that the fact that some of the original Empire Club members were cricketers supports that argument.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 AM EST reply actions
Not sure of the actual mechanics of what he calls "town ball"
Thought this was interesting:
As I’ve mentioned before, Lincoln, when he moved to Illinois, arrived in a community that had a vibrant ballplaying culture. A baseball variant, that the locals specifically remembered as being called town ball, was played in central Illinois in the 1820s and 1830s. Other ball games that were played during the antebellum era included bullpen, cross out and long town. I mentioned in a previous post that Lincoln had a reputation as a being a good fives player. Ball playing was a large part of the culture of central Illinois and it would have been atypical of Lincoln not to take part in these games.
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by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
If you're at all interested in the earliest beginnings of base ball,
then you should really check out this blog. Very interesting.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
it sounds arrogant if i talk about it in real life
but i have to tell someone and i’m not married, and don’t want it on my real name, so here you go, VEB
i haven’t locked down specific figures, but i’ve been at my job 2 months and am about to get a raise in the vicinity of 70% considering guaranteed bonuses. i’ll be making as much as or maybe more than my dad at his primary job. i was a little nervous about sending an email asking for a 100% raise, but it could the most profitable email i will ever send assuming that future salaries and raises are loosely based on previous salaries
it's a little weird, though
where i was at before was small enough that it wouldn’t be weird to talk about a small, incremental raise with, say, my roommate, but now i’m reaching the point where i make enough money that i have to be bashful about it
Just don't take it for granted
With a new raise. I would start looking at your finances very seriously. I would pay off any remaining debts and start shifting additional revenue into investment. I used to make a little under 6 figures for 2 years than it all fell apart. Lucky for me I didn’t waste all that money I made.
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
same here...took it for granted and splurged on crap all the time.
Lost job and make about 65% of what I used to. It’s enough but it was an adjustment at first.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
So happy I paid off my loans
I have zero debt currently so bring broke isn’t too bad anymore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Badass
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Congrats man
That’s incredibly exciting
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 23, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic.
If they have a 401K, get into it. Even if you just put in a tiny amount to start with.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I did this!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Apparently, I'll have over a million dollars by the time I retire!
It’s free money, right? That’s how it works
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Feb 23, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dunno
i’m still considered an intern, so i don’t get any benefits yet, but it’s kind of like i just went through arb 1
Slur It is shocked. Shocked!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 1:53 AM EST reply actions
why does he has Carps name over his heart?
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
To remind himself to never give a fuck.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 23, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Continental - Perfect. . . .The Rolls Royce of replies. . .
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H. L. Mencken
he's going to need a comstant reminder if he spends any amount of time here in ohio
There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy
lynn and swagerty missed a chance to throw earlier
This week. Lynn had a leg, which sounded like nothing more than cramping or stiffness; even if it’s a hamstring pull or something, he’d recover fairly quickly and surgery-free.
The report on swagerty was more concerning. Initially they just said he had an arm. Then there was a very quiet “elbow inflammation with bone spurs” comment. That makes me incredibly nervous. I suppose it could be nothing more than mild inflammation that gets some rest, ice and a cortisone shot (or coors and a shot), but these kind of injuries seem like they lead to minor surgery to remove the spurs in good cases and TJ in the bad cases.
Scoot, other VEBers who know more about ortho than me, console me/tell me I’m right.
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by tom s. on Feb 23, 2012 3:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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