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Life after the St. Louis Cardinals' Astros Implants

ST LOUIS, MO - OCTOBER 28:  Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals is positively radiant after defeating the Texas Rangers 6-2 to win Game Seven of the MLB World Series.  (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

On Tuesday I talked about how the Cardinals have built out their post-Pujols squad with veterans available on short-term deals, and in general I'm very excited about it; they've risked nothing more than the chance to sign Prince Fielder, and they've gained a team that looks ready to weather the worst year or two of the post-Albert-Pujols lull. They can do this, in part, because they were already prepared to spend $25 million on a thirtysomething with visible health problems; spending $30 million, instead, on Lance Berkman, Rafael Furcal, Carlos Beltran, and maybe Roy Oswalt is no particular risk by comparison.

But they'e also able to put themselves in this position because they have prospects to turn to after these players go back onto the market, another year or two older. Right now, this is what the Cardinals look like behind their Astros implants.

Lance Berkman—$12 million through 2012

Poor Allen Craig—apparently hitting .315/.362/.555 in 200 at-bats in the regular season and double-Pujolsing Alexi Ogando wasn't enough to guarantee him a full season in 2012, even though the starting right fielder was 35 and the starting first baseman is gone. He's clearly the first in line at first and in right, and given Berkman's huge career platoon split (1.009 against righties, .778 against lefties) and the likelihood of ex-Astro injury and positional jiggery-pokery he should significantly improve on his 2011 playing time regardless.

Or—second base. Someone tell Mike Matheny this isn't just a meme.

Star-divide

Past Craig there's Mark Hamilton, who should be sent to a nice farm somewhere where there aren't fifty other adequate first baseman on the depth chart ahead of and directly behind him, and Matt Adams, who will have to give us some reason to expect an above-average on-base percentage before he figures in the Cardinals' long-term plans as something more than a hedge against disaster. (Last year MLB first basemen hit .271/.345/.452, even in the Year of the Year of the Pitcher Story.)

Behind Adams is not very much—Jonathan Rodriguez put up a nice .251/.389/.472 line for the Midwest League at 21 and has a nice chance to be this year's Matt Adams, especially if he can get his strikeouts under control—which means the rest of the depth chart at first base is repurposed third basemen; it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Matt Carpenter or even Zack Cox get some at-bats there, if someone spends some time on the disabled list.

Rafael Furcal—$14 million through 2013

Pete Kozma's failure to thrive has done terrible things to the Cardinals' infield depth, which still looks a little peaked with Rafael Furcal standing on top of it. Tyler Greene is not quite so impressive in the Allen Craig role, but he's likely to see even more playing time in it, because Furcal and Daniel Descalso are not exactly brick walls at second and short.

Behind him things don't get any more impressive. Ryan Jackson hasn't proven he can't hit, yet, but .278/.334/.415 in the Texas League doesn't tell me much about what he can do, either; I'm still not convinced he's more than a replacement-level hitter at shortstop, and until we know what kind of great defense his great defense is he's hard to rely on.

Past that there's only Kolten Wong, who had a great half-season in the Midwest League and remains the Cardinals' best chance at a stable middle infielder by the time Furcal is gone.

Carlos Beltran—$26 million through 2013

Well, Allen Craig can only stand at one of these positions full-time; if Matt Adams impresses it's likely to be here, which would be excellent news for a Cardinals system that's lacked a really exciting bat since Colby Rasmus graduated.

Charlie Tilson and the 10 to 15 other speedy center fielders the Cardinals drafted last year are the nearest internal options, besides hoping that Thomas Pham will someday be able to play more than 50 games in a season; the Cardinals' outfield corners in the high minors were dotted, last year, with speedy non-hitters like Adron Chambers and Shane Robinson, non-prospects of all ages, and the kind of prospect that can be traded straight-up for Rafael Furcal. (Speaking of which, after his .322/.406/.603 month with Los Angeles's AA affiliate, Alex Castellanos is still stuck with a .239/.292/.389 ZiPS projection.)

It all makes me wish the Cardinals had managed to sign Kyle Russell, who at 25 hit .259/.342/.497 on that same Dodgers affiliate last year with 144 strikeouts in 394 at-bats. He's turned himself into Outfield Tyler Greene, combining nice speed and defense and enormous power with strikeouts in 32% of his plate appearances. It would be a fun sideshow, if not worth all the money he wanted out of that fourth-round pick back in the Kozma Draft.

Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse, and Maybe Roy Oswalt

The Cardinals' rotation is already really expensive right now, with or without Oswalt—they're due, right now, to spend $43 million on it, with the last $12 million year of Lohse the biggest expense. Luckily for the Cardinals, Lohse and Westbrook's production could be replaced for less money even if the Cardinals didn't have several top starting prospects on their way through the system.

Shelby Miller, 21 and putting up excellent AA numbers, is going to be difficult to keep in the minor leagues for a full season, and I doubt the Cardinals manage the trick. He's probably the Cardinals' fourth best pitcher right now. Behind him there's a firewall of pitchers who are probably better than replacement level as starters—Lance Lynn, Marc Rzepczynski—and behind them are Carlos Martinez and Tyrell Jenkins, who remain a few years away.

The Cardinals will have a lot of money coming off the rotation's books next year—even more if they outbid the Rangers for Oswalt's underpriced services—but thanks both to the weird collapse in veteran starter value and their increased rotation depth it looks like a lot of it won't need to be reinvested. Of course, if Adam Wainwright comes back looking like he never left a lot of that will be tied up in long-term contract questions.

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ST LOUIS, MO – OCTOBER 28: Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals goes in for the post sale handshake after FINALLY unloading that piece of shit boat on some sucker, Corey Patterson #44. (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Alt caption #2
ST. LOUIS MO – FEBRUARY 2: Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals walks out of the dugout and sees his shadow, signifying that baseball will be played in one more month. Elated, he celebrates with teammates.

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Lance Berkman

Voted best beard of the 2011 Postseason, Salt & Pepper division.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the original caption...

It probably should just be:

Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals is positively radiant.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

6 more weeks of "winter"!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I would very much like 6-8 more weeks of the winter we've been having over here

It’s been a decade since we got this much rain. Sorely missed.

Maybe we can get some snow (happens a couple times a decade where I live).

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Last time it rained that much...

They set a new annual record for consecutive days with precipitation.

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's been pretty nice here in the UK

and VERY nice compared to last winter. We didn’t get much in the way of frost over Christmas, and even though it’s been cold lately, it’s been dry with it, which is a rare blessing on these isles.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i know right

its awesome. Apparently its gonna be hella cold this week though.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Suits me

off skiing on Saturday night!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Where in the ME?

I did lots of time there once upon a time. . . .

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H. L. Mencken

by akaitori on Feb 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Liar!

It’s snowed exactly one time this season here in NYC, and it was 65 degrees yesterday. Yesterday! May I remind you, Mr February 2nd, that yesterday was February 1st, and while I find that weather more than tolerable, it’s probably unacceptable. You know, ice caps and stratosphere and stuff.

by hangingfromatree on Feb 2, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle Russell has nice speed and defense?

wow… This is the kid I saw at UT-Austin, or am I thinking of someone else?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

who is Tyrell Jackson?

is this some mysterious alternate world clone of Tyrell Jenkins? WE HAVE TWO OF THEM??

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 2, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

combination of tyrell jenkins and ryan jackson

an extremely talented SP prospect whose best tool is his glove

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I rate him just a bit below Carlos Taveras, based on upside.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Shelby Wong will be better than both of them

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Shelby Wong is clearly a future MVP contender

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on man

There is no offseason in blog writing

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday Red!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

79 years young today

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

wow, Red's only 79?

Red has been around forever. I would have guessed he’d be in his 90’s or something.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Feb 2, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

89

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Feb 2, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah was just about to post that

89

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Trevor rosenthal

Oscar Taveras

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

No

Just surprised neither got a mention

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Both finished 2011 in high-A, so their projected MLB debuts may be a bit far off for the premise of this article.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He mentioned tyrell Jenkins

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair point.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

do you have to register with the FEC as rosenthal's

Official lobbyist?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

low-A

#corrections

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't Batavia "low-A"?

I know it’s short season but still counts as A-ball right?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I usually call it short season a ball

but, I think you’re right, in that others call it low-a. So

A-ball
#corrections

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I'm not really sure what you'd call QC

Mid-A? I guess it’s not terribly clear. I think I usually just call it A-ball.

Alternatively, why don’t they just make shortseason non-rookie leagues A, QC AA, PB AAA, SF AAAA and Memphis AAAAA or something? Weird system.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Duh.

Both are likely to start the season in high-A, which would put them on a 2014 MLB arrival, I’d guess.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked what Strauss says about Holiday in the chat yesterday...
I have no idea which injury or “one of the sportscasters” you refer to. Holliday suffered a combination of hand and wrist injuries during the postseason but did not require surgery. My vibe is that Holliday is on schedule for a monster season.

I think I’m having the same vibe…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

so

if an OPS over .900 isn’t monster… what is?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Holliday's rate stats were very good.

He may mean “monster season” in terms of counting stats because Holliday will play his usual high number of games.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he means

that Holliday will finally get his Cardinals Moment.

DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!

by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I get it.

I is monster, but I’d like to see him just own the place. .950 OPS and get 650 plate apperances. NOW we’re talking monster.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

MVP candidate

strauss has said that a lot this off season

by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Holliday is a Turd

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe next season he will have his "moment"

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And his butt stinks.

And Rui’s mom dumped him.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

and...and...yeah...

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Matt Holliday, why don't you stop being so pathetic

with your whole “I’m just a quietly awesome baseball player but once I open up a bit I’m actually pretty funny and I’m also a good person” act. A real man would have had a “moment” and not choked in the playoffs. And then he would have left us for some insane big-market contract. But you won’t do that because you’re Matt Holliday. How lame is that.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I WANT ANOTHER DOG SO BAD

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We're dog sitting another one for like two weeks starting next week

I love having two dogs around

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We have two fixed females

both are mutts, and pretty low-key. I only wanted one, but got out-voted when the second one became available (it came from Wichita as a puppy when one of our nephews moved back to Colorado). They’re fine together, mostly they just ignore each other.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Two dogs ... best joke ever

An indian boy asks his father, the chief of the tribe, “Father, how did you name your children?”

The chief replies; "On the day your brother was born I opened the tee pee flap and saw an eagle soaring in the sky. So, we named him Soaring Eagle.

When you sister was born, I opened the tee pee flap and saw a fawn running across the meadow. So, we named her Running Fawn.

Why do you ask, Two Dogs F#@*ing?"

We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham

by Gibby45 on Feb 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what a life!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Another as in two,

or another as something happened to the one you recently got?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Two

I love the one we have now, I just feel bad because my wife sleeps all day and I work all day. Another dog would be more entertaining for both, but our loft is probably too small for two

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a proponent of two dogs. They are pack animals and having another home seems to make them happier.

My ex-girlfriend’s dog suffered from anxiety when home alone. He would even bite your pant leg if you were the last one to leave the house, in hopes of preventing you from leaving. They got another dog and that stopped him from caring about folks leaving.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He likes Creed

What a damned idiot, am I right twitter followers?

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than some band I've never heard of, obscure-music-listener

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow > Creed > Nickelback

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really disappointed that my last.fm account

recommends that I see NIckelback when they come to town…I’d go to a Cubs Caravan before that happened

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that was funny

I was hoping he would change his walkup music to Creed after that.

Because Matheny

by WyoCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Current lineup:

Furcal – 6
Beltran – 9
Holliday – 7
Berkman – 3
Freese – 5
Molina – 2
Jay – 8
Descalso/Greene/Skip Clusterfuckorama – 4
P

Assuming that everyone is healthy (a big if) and nobody has a huge dropoff in production, that’s as good a lineup as there is in the National League to start the season. Move Beltran to CF and put Allen Craig in place of Jay (I would hit the Craigen 5th and move everyone down a spot) and that creates a lot of tough outs 1-7.

Four hitters in this lineup have posted 5 WAR seasons during their careers (Furcal, Berkman, Beltran, Holliday).

The best way to soften the blow of losing Albert Pujols? Win 95 games the season after you lose Albert Pujols. Unless a lot of things go south, it would seem that this team has the ability to do so.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

And rotation (with Oswalt)

Carpenter
Wainwright
Garcia
Oswalt
Lohse

That would be right up their with the Brewers rotation and a touch behind the Phillies.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think adding Oswalt could take us beyond the Brewers

I guess we just have more health questions than they do, but I feel like they’re very dependent on Greinke and Gallardo (unless they’ve added another starter I am unaware of).

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

What I'm wondering is whether we already match up to the Brewers

I feel like Wainwright, Carpenter, and Garcia could all perform pretty close to both Greinke (on the higher end) and Gallardo (on the mid to low end). But they are three pitchers and obviously the Brewers’ two are only two. Is the rest of their rotation Marcum, Narveson, Wolf? They seem like they probably have a better top two (assuming Wainwright doesn’t just go back to being totally awesome right away) but I feel like we have a better top three.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Which club has the better top 3 depends on health.

I honestly believe Marcum is having arm troubles. He looked like a different pitcher in the NLCS.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Greinke & Gallardo is maybe a touch better than Waino & Carp

Garcia is a bit better than Marcum, and Wolf/Narveson are probably a tiny bit better than Lohse/Westy, but right now we match up similarly at most spots. Add Lynn as a 6th starter and I think you can argue it’s close to a push. I agree that Oswalt makes us a bit better than them probably.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That seems like a fair assessment

Both teams’ rotations are close enough that the biggest difference between the two, easily, should be health.

by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 2, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

But the real question is...

Are Gallardo, Greinke, Marcum, Wolf, Narveson vs. the Cardinals lineup better than Carp, Wainwright, Garcia, Lohse, Westbrook vs. the Brewers lineup? I would take the Cards in that situation, especially if Braun is out 50 games.

by Jumsy on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The Cardinals and Brewers see each other 6 times in the Brewers' first 50 games

two 3-game series, including the Brewers’ home opener series beginning April 6, then again in St. Louis beginning April 27.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I mean, they’re all pitchers, but WW is coming off of Tommy John just 12 months before the start of the 2012 season and Carp has a history of arm injuries and has been a workhorse the past three seasons. Greinke and Gallardo have no injury history to speak of.

Unless you’re taking the premise that the bionic arm post-surgery pitchers are less likely to get hurt than pitchers who haven’t had any arm injuries or surgeries (for which you’ll need to provide some pretty good evidence) I don’t know how you can make this statement.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

With Carpenter in particular it is problematic.

I can’t find them on Google but I remember Carpenter stating after his last surgery that his doctors told him it was only a matter of time until his arm blew out. One could argue that this is true for all pitchers but the doctors stated it in the context of his nerve transposition procedure, IIRC.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there is pretty good evidence coming out that pitchers who have elbow surgeries

are at an increased risk for shoulder injury due. Especially if the mechanical flaw causing the abnormal force isn’t corrected.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i remember Carp talking about this and how he got advice from

someone else to make sure he does shoulder exercises to keep his shoulder strong…

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by Red Blazer on Feb 2, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Gallardo was injured before?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

because 1930's orthopedic surgery standards involved looking at a guy's arm for 20 minutes

and saying, “yup, it’s broked.”

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

today's standards are so much higher

We’ve never had a guy get hurt, have the team doctors clear him, only to have him make the injury much worse. At least, not in the last 5 months.

Pitchers use their knees. I wouldn’t discount a healed knee injury any more than a healed elbow injury.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 2, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thilnk he took a line drive off his foot and came back too fast.

Changed his delivery and hurt his arm.

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H. L. Mencken

by akaitori on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Towels a-plenty.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I hereby motion that second base position of the St. Louis Cardinals be permanently renamed to
Clusterfuckorama

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And the DeShieldses, and Belliards, and Aliceas, and even the lowly Hemonds...

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

forgot Bo Hart

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He sprained something walking to the dock

and missed the journey.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It was the Worst of times

It was the Best of times.

11 in 11, and 12 in 12 bitches!

We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham

by Gibby45 on Feb 2, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bo Hart, Tony Womack, Junior Spivey, and Joe McEwing really deserve to be on this list.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Call me Ishmiles.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant. . . .

Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken

by akaitori on Feb 2, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

thats just

your opinion man

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You do realize that before the season that's all we have to go by, right?

If nothing has been played yet an someone is worse on paper than we are, I’m not assume they are going to beat us. That’s far more ignorant that assume we will win because we are better “on paper”

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Would you like this written on a white board or something?

Maybe a power point presentation? How about an old-school slate?

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon man, you're better than this. . .

It can only be an Excel spreadsheet, right? Or maybe to be completely geeky, one of those open source spreadsheets.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, ridgesee is old school

as in, he’s old enough to have seen Schoendienst play as a rookie

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Cuneiform

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The *original* tablet!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, there are some pretty randy passages in the epic of Gil (Ga) Meche

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Heh. Not watched much AL baseball in the last 2 years

but until that comment I had literally forgotten about the existence of Gil Meche, a guy who got a $50m+ contract a couple of years back…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He had one awesome season and a few average-ish seasons I think

I could be wrong, but I think the sexy parts of the book mostly are about his beast-like friend Ankieldu

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

heck of a guy

"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was poking around minor league numbers on B-Ref

At first I was just trying to remember what position Anthony Garcia played (outfielder, right?). Then I re-remembered Tyler Rahmatulla and Breyvic Valera. If I’m right, Rahmatulla is a kinda-old-for-Appy-League second baseman who nonetheless was impressive offensively, and Valera is our current mysterious talented Latin American prospect who is ridiculously young and whose final baseball name is yet to be determined (Fangraphs says Breyvil, B-Ref says Breyvic). And I guess he’s more or less a middle infielder at the moment. Is that about right?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Rahmatulla's been my best prospect since he's been drafted

He will surely disappoint me just as much as Robert Stock and Nick Longmire did

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Per my fanpost

He is my pick as sleeper for this year

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

HE'S MINE

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You should update his stats in your sig

I hear that is what the cool kids are doing

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, then we'll see who really loves Rahmatulla!

Also, does anybody know anything about Valera?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Robert Stock's BABIP has been ridiculously unlucky. If his numbers suck when his BABIP is .300+, I'll jump off the bandwagon (and I'll probably be the last person off)

As for Longmire, I stopped liking him as soon as I saw him in a short video batting and running to first. First, I didn’t like his swing, and secondly, he looked like a plodder running to first, which concerned me because I had heard he was a toolsy outfielder, and I was expecting more burst/speed.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Stock's BABIP isn't unlucky.

He rarely ever makes good contact. Have you seen him play? He’s a dead pull hitter and rolls over on pitches that end up being weak ground balls and hits a lot of pop ups. OF COURSE his BABIP is for shit — he never hits the ball hard, as evidenced by his 2 home runs over the last two years in 481 PA’s. Ryan Jackson has a higher ISO in the minors. So does Pete Kozma. PETE KOZMA.

His future is on the mound and I think the club is going to move him there this season.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved him on Unsolved Mysteries

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, '09, '10, '11

by dan on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So disappointed...

that someone beat me to this joke.

by dmlb on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

By the evidence presented above,

If Rui likes a certain prospect, expect that prospect to either be out of baseball in three years. No wonder you’re evaluating soccer players….

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

YOUR PROSPECT?

I had him on draft day!

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither one of these things bodes well for him.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I boded your mother well last night.

ZING!

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's not what she told me.

Trebek.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought this was pretty cool.

From Big League Stew: Angels GM Jerry Dipoto handwrites a response to fan’s trade suggestion

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Wow that is awesome

The Halos Heaven post about it is pretty cool. They seem to have some fun commenters.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

that is cool.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh

Exactly how I felt.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

sweet jesus

Dipoto looks like a modern supervillain who wants to destabalise the world’s economy by signing everyone to 10 year PSCs

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

A young Willem Dafoe

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

KILL SPIDERMAN!

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Perfect

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

A younger, handsomer Willem Dafoe

He’s either Willem Dafoe’s son/evil-heir, or a genetically improved clone of Willem Dafoe, possible with Dafoe’s consciousness transferred into it either through technology or black magic.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah even young Willem Dafoe looked like a younger, handsomer Steve Buscemi.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the Hobgoblin in this scenario, right?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I could never keep those straight

I think there were two Green Goblins, and the Hobgoblin came between them? I didn’t actually read very many comic books, and I didn’t read them for very long. So I have enough knowledge of comic book mythos to be more knowledgeable than a person chosen at random, and it stop soon after that.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Oversimplified history of the Spider-Man goblins.

Norman Osborn was the original Green Goblin (as anyone who saw Spider-Man knows). Then Harry Osborn takes over as the Green Goblin (which Raimi set up brilliant at the end of Spider-Man 2 and then completely botched in the abomination known as Spider-Man 3 that killed that iteration of the franchise). Bart Hamilton also became the Green Goblin.

In the 1980s, they created the Hobgoblin because two Green Goblins (Norman and Hamilton) died and rehashing Harry as the Goblin would’ve been lame. So, there was a running mystery as to the Hobgoblin’s true identity—which was a really awesome angle for the comic and character, IMO. The writer left the comic just before the identity was revealed and the new writer revealed it to have been a character that had just been killed off in a Spider-Man/Wolverine one-off. Absurd, I know. Then, another character took it over.

It doesn’t work, really, but I want to call the GM who signed Pujols by the name “Hobgoblin.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the cartoon cannon

Because I thought they revealed who the Hobgoblin was in the 90s-00s cartoon.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

...

I can’t help myself.

by Pegasus on Feb 2, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Comics.

They actually revealed the Hobgoblin to be an already-dead character in the comic. Then another character took over the Hobgoblin mantle. Then, they re-wrote the Hobgoblin reveal to be another character and not in actuality the dead character. Very poorly handled.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's one hell of a ret-con

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I used that term correctly.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Clearly he is not a saber guy...

he’s still hand writing letters. Sheesh. Get an email account, DiPoto.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know you're joking,

but I actually think DiPoto responded because he got a letter in the mail from the fan. Nowadays, getting a letter in the mail is a rarity.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Things were simpler in 2009.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You have no idea how many Iowans would treasure that card for their entire lives.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And not one of those nice white onions, because of the war, but one of those big yellow ones!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Same for Freese, really.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And Berkman

and Furcal…

The list goes on.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming the sticking point on Oswalt right now is $2-3 million for a year,

I’d really hope that Mozeliak can explain to DeWitt that wins have an especially high marginal value to the Cardinals right now. So in addition to being a good baseball decision, signing Oswalt is actually a good business decision right now. I know this isn’t saying anything new in these parts, but still.

I’d also really hope somebody can explain to Mozeliak that Kyle McClellan wasn’t worth the headache.

by Pegasus on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Possible McClellan Explanation...

Mozeliak felt pressure from Dave Duncan (longtime K Mac advocate) to tender him a contract, so he did. Now Duncan is taking a leave of absence, and the team is stuck with the decision to tender the contract. Now a new opportunity arises, and Mozeliak sees the best place to unload the payroll, so he is working on moving K Mac.

I honestly believe the contract being tendered to K Mac was driven by Duncan, and not by the front office.

by Jumsy on Feb 3, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i found this

its worth reading about Based Balls in jolly old England

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

have you ever watched the Conan O'Brian olde tyme baseball skit?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

no i have not

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

...

Link

Terrible quality, but eh

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, the halcyon days of Late Night

he’s never been as good as he was then

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Such a true statement about sports in Britain
It seems like all these sports start here, and Britain is great at them to begin with, winning the first Baseball World Cup in 1938, and then slowly becoming worse and worse at the sport over time. It’s the curse of British sport!

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

What does that mea -- Oh god.

So they’re making this more like Venezuelan baseball now? With cheerleaders and whatnot?

Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub

by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That Home Run Display needs backup dancers!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

More guys with flare guns, too.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

They've had

the Mermaids for several years. I’m not sure if that video is of the same group.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Puppy question:

He hates walking on a leash. Hates it. Used to love exploring on the leash but since it got so cold he got used to 2 minute long quick pee pee trips.

Now he just sits and won’t budge. The only way I can get him to walk is to pick him up, carry him a distance away, set him down, and then follow him home. I have a harness for him and the choke collar seems a little intense at 12 weeks old. I try carrying a treat but no dice on the simple fix.

Any ideas?

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Carry a better treat

Clicker training, too

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

I’d also throw in praise for when he does it right. Also, I’d have a normal neck collar. The harness makes it easier for the dog to do what it wants.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The ads for the harness talk about

the damage a collar can do to a dog’s thorax (well, I’ve only ever seen the ad once, and this with the mute on, so I assume they were talking about the thorax). Not sure how accurate this is, but seems reasonable. We never walk our dogs, they have 2 acres to run around, so can’t be more helpful.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Gentle Leaders are really good

The dog can’t pull and it doesn’t compress the neck. Better than a traditional harness or a collar. We used them for a while and now our dogs are fine with a regular collar most of the time.

by OCCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

hated gentle leaders. all they did was wear a welt

In my dog’s face. I know people swear by them, but they were terrible for my dog.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gentle Leader helped with our boxer quite a bit.

Now that you mention it, I should try it on the pit bull.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooooo

She didn’t like that much at all. But, by golly she didn’t pull on the leash tonight. A completely different dog.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just start walking.

I assume you are stronger than a 12 week old puppy.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I ended up dragging him for half an hour.

There’s got to be a better way. He’s surprisingly strong and tough. It’s hard to get a collar or hoodie on him. It’s a struggle. and that’s coming from a guy who regularly places actively resisting adults in handcuffs.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Whoa, TMI

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You need probable cause for a puppy nowadays?

F’in lawyers…

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

either that or a safe word.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Probable cause IS the safe word

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We have the opposite problem.

Had to go with a choke collar once he broke both a regular collar and a harness. He’s fine when my wife takes him running or he’s attached to a bike, but any leisurely walk I try to take him becomes a pretty decent arm workout.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Roll up the leash so that he's on a very short leash

Make sure you walk out your door before him

Make him sit as soon as you get outside

Never let him in front of you. If he does, just stop and call him back to you. Clicker and treat him when he does

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, worked with me when my mom did this, so I assume it works with dogs too

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tiger Mother!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is I do this. I reward him a ton. It's just a problem when he's on the leash.

Some weird block. He just shuts down. But then he jumped in the lake yesterday. So maybe he’s just weird.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

what type of dog is it?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a mix between a heeler and a kelpie.

Hopefully a good running partner someday.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

awesome.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

love australian working breeds.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine's a Stumpy Tail Australian Cattle Dog!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

and it lives in an apartment?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

We’ve never had a problem though, no signs of boredom (chewing, etc.). We take it on a long walk every day too. She chill

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

cool. yeah, depends a lot on the dog.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had an Aussie Shep

she was a great dog. Thought I’d get a real Australian working dog this time around. I’m in an apartment too. Just keep him busy and he’s not destructive.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yeah the shepherd is american.

i’ve owned one, and it was an awesome dog so i’m not trying to take away from that fact. it’s just not really australian. such a weird name.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I never had the heart to tell my Sydneysider

girlfriend that her dog was an American breed. She would’ve been crushed.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yep.

Comical.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

huh. i guess it would just seem

common sense that it was aussie since it’s in the name.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell Ms. Guillard isn't authentic either

so whatevs. /foreign politics

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Our dog used to be like that with stairs

You just have to reward him for incremental progress. And what treats are you using? When I first got ours and was training her to walk outside with me, I was using Milk Bones and she wasn’t paying attention to me. Then I switched to hot dogs or grilled chicken and she was super attentive

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hot dogs are the best dog-training treat, in my opinion.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

CANNIBAL

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I raised pigs when I was in high school.

We had a campout at the end of school and the next morning my friends were laughing and feeding them scraps of bacon. Pigs eat anything. I fed them donuts and Mt. Dew before I showed them at the county fair.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Good way to get rid of a body

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was my favorite Roald Dahl short story too

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Brick Top approves of this comment.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

that happened a few years ago not too far from me

wedding ring of a disgraced local businessman was found in a pig pen. not enough evidence to file charges..

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Put the leash on him in the house and leave it on the ground, wothiut holding it at all

When he begins to move around the house with it on, while still not holding it, teach him to heal to you with rewards. Then when he learns that you can walk him but let the leash dangle without strain so that he continues to associate it

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I do this. He loves the leash and has no problem with it.

He just walks ten feet outside the door and sits and won’t budge.

It must be something outdoor related. The geese or something.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Weird

Do you have a yard or are you in an apartment? If you have a yard you could just yard train the dog and as long as you play a lot and find creative ways to keep the dog interacting with other dogs then walks may not be that necessary. I have a yard and let mine out and only walk them when it’s too muddy or they need the exercise because it’s a day that I’m too busy to be home for long

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh. A lot of his stuff is negative reinforcement, which has iffy long-term results.

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no its not...

never got that…

he says be calm and assertive…also exercise.

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by Red Blazer on Feb 2, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell that to the asshat pheasent hunting dog.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you used cake as the treat?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

scrounges enough of that on his own.

He’s moved on to Little Debbies honey buns.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm guessing a bondage joke would be too far, right?

Bursting into song.
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by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

probably.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ALREADY BEEN DONE

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Like it was said, probable cause

or a safeword. Either/or.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I used to have that problem with ZoomZoom

One good shot to the groin, and after a short while, he bagen walking right. I hardly ever have to drag him anyomre!

We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham

by Gibby45 on Feb 2, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i don't think i should be the 1st "rec" for this comment

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This.....

Sooner or later, he’ll realize it’s easier to walk than get drug down the side walk.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Also: Have you tried putting him on a leash inside first? Does he do the same thing?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me

Allen craig to second! Worth a try at the very least

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

No it's not

Dude just had major kneecap surgery

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

and he'd still be an improvement over Skip

CRAIGEN FOR 2B!!!

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Second base will be better on his knees

It’ss the Berkman Strategy.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

Except for the part where runners slide into his legs constantly

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, maybe it's not a good idea after all

Stupid reality.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard him (berk) on

an interview somewhere this offseason, and they said something like- “Last year you told us that playing OF would be easier on your legs….” and Berk said “That was just a line I was giving you guys to get you off my back- of course 1B is easier.”

Because Matheny

by WyoCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i love that man.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Berk gonna Berk

that dude is pretty effin’ awesome.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me...

How did dude hit so well pre surgery…

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

He must have a high grit factor

Good pujols replacement

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Hence the grit

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Hey, baseball news

JonHeymanCBS: edwin jackson in agreement with #nationals on deal. (he was seen in airport for physical)

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

yay draft pick.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

also, Nats have a ::really:: good rotation if Strasburg is healthy

Strasburg-Zimmermann-Jackson-Gonzalez-Wang sounds fantastic to me

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it sounds like they'll trade john lannan to do so

Which is too bad because he’s a younger, cheaper westbrook. He makes $5m, twice as much as k-mac, but the nats may have to pay part of his salary to trade him.

That cuts into the market for both westbrook and mcclellan.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

JonHeymanCBS: jackson is a 1 year deal, believed to be in $8-to-12M range. #nats

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson has been worth 3.6, 3.8, and 3.8 fWAR in the last three seasons.

Any salary in the $8MM-$12MM range is below market value.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

point taken.

for comparison, how many of them fWAR did wilson accrue last year?

by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

CJ? 2.0, 4.6, 5.9

But his 2.0 season was as a reliever. Which is pretty nuts

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

so it seems Jackson at $12M would be paid in line with Wilson

assuming a 4.5-WAR season from Wilson, and averaging out Wilson’s contract as if he were paid the same amount every year of the deal.

by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i mention this because

i’d rather pay wilson $15.5M than EJax $12M — i think it’s more likely Wilson exceeds 4.5 WAR than that EJAX exceeds 3.8ish.
i get it’s not exactly apples-to-apples, since wilson signed for 5 years, not 1, but that’s why i questioned the “market value” of EJax at the upper range of Heyman’s report.

by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If you use the $4.5MM free agent fWAR valuation, Wilson is more of a deal.

I’ve even seen some say this winter it’s closer to $5MM per WAR.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The $/WAR figure is based on the entire free agent market.

When you include players like Papelbon, Bell, Buerhle, Reyes, Wilson, Pujols, Fielder, Barmes, Beltran, Furcal, Crisp, Cordero, Cuddyer, DeJesus, Francisco, Hill, etc., the 2011-12 market value could be $5MM/1.0 fWAR.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Jackson

at $12M than Wilson at $16.5M if both were one year deals.

I think Wilson’s contract is going to look a lot like AJ Burnett’s contract does right now in 2014. The “why did we pay this guy $80M? Nobody would trade a can of Spam for him right now….” contract.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

why is this?

also, wilson is earning $15.5M per.

by mikey_mac on Feb 2, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Lot's of reasons:
  • He’s 31
  • He’s been a full time starter in the big leagues for exactly 2 seasons.
  • His walk rate last year was a full walk below his best effort to this point in his career. Not sure if he can keep that up.
  • His BABIP in both of his two seasons as a starter is below league average, as has his HR/FB rate despite pitching in a hitters park half the time.
  • His career xFIP is 3.80. For comparison, Jamie Garcia’s is 3.50.
  • He doesn’t get a lot of swings and misses for a “power” pitcher that he supposedly is. In 2010 his SwStr% was 6.7%. Last year it was 8.3%. Neither is in the top 50 starters in the big leagues. Ian Kennedy got more swinging strikes last year. So did Gavin Floyd. If I’m paying a guy #1/#2 starter money, I’d at least like him to be able to induce a lot of swings and misses.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

is he getting a physical from the TSA at the gate?

the airport seems like a strange place for a physical

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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Nationals can trade Lannan and his $5 million contract...

we ought to be able to move KMac. Lannan makes twice as much and isn’t any better.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Without doing any research

I would guess Lannan is better than KMac.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

is Lannan really not any better?

i’m not looking at their stats, but the few times i remember seeing Lannan (granted, a few years ago) i remember him looking quite good.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Career 4.61 FIP

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson is 4.34

KMcC is 4.36

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

KMac amassed most of that as a one inning reliever...

Jackson could be an elite closer if they moved him to the pen.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Without looking

I think KMac had about a 4.1-ish xFIP next year. I think he could be a 1 WAR starter, which is probably the high-end of what Lanna can do, although it’s worth noting Lannan’s beaten his FIPs pretty consistently so far (again, IIRC).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

lannan has 4 straight seasons of one-win or better ball.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Guessing he projects worse going forward, though

he’s in his 30s now, right?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I think Lannan is likely more valuable than KMac

but at $5m vs $2.5m it’s a close call.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

zips has Lannan as a starter with a 90 era+

and KMac as a reliever with an 88 era+. So zips clearly likes Lannan more, but with budgets mostly spent, teams could prefer the cheaper guy.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt any team

…is looking at Kyle McClellan as a starter, regardless of how cheap he comes, especially given how much he fatigued at the end of the season. John Lannan would make a nice 4th/5th starter. McClellan, at best, is Branden Looper Part Deux.

Starters are more valuable than relievers.

by Forsch31 on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

27. younger than kyle by 3 months.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Plus Nats Park

is a deep, deep ball field. Good signing.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

he's been better recently. he's been a consistent 1 win

Starter because he’s fairly durable.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lannan career WAR (5 seasons): 5.0

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lannan career WAR (5 seasons): 5.0

Mcclellan career WAR (4 seasons): 0.1

Now, some of that disparity is because mcclellan has been a reliever. Maybe as a backend starter he’d be better. But at best he presents the possibility of being a decent backend starter, rather than having the track record of doing so.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lannan, simply due to being left handed,

is better than K-Mac. He’s also made 25 or more starts in 4 straight seasons and has a career 4.45 xFIP. That’s not great, but it’s not as bad as Kyle McClellan. He has a track record for being a decent back of the rotation starter, takes his turn every fifth day, and would probably be a decent find for a team with good infield defense as he gets a lot of ground balls.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If they stay healthy, the nats will win the east this season

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Tough division...

Mets will lose 105.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know...

they really need more offense. They pitching is awesome, but unless they win a bunch of 2-1 games, I think they’re not quite there yet. Hopefully they flip Lannan for a bat.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Feb 2, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

they got that phenom kid starting in right field...

I was hoping the Nats would land Fielder..that would have been an impressive team.

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by Red Blazer on Feb 2, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'll keep harper in the minors 'till June at least

longer if he’s not ready or blows another kiss at a pitcher after a homer.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Braves.

They are def flying under the radar a bit, but I think Freeman will be better, Heyward should bounce back a bit, and they are absolutely loaded with good young pitching prospects.

by mick311 on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's still Philadelphia's division to lose.

I really don’t think they’re going to miss Howard all that much — in fact, having a full season of Hunter Pence might make up for the loss of Howard in terms of WAR. Hell, Jim Thome might be able split time there are at least be serviceable — he’ll get on base, that’s for sure.

Their rotation is the best in the league. With all the upgrades that the Nats and Marlins did to their pitching staffs they STILL aren’t as good as the Phillies, and the Braves have the second best staff in the division, imo.

Dominic Brown is an upgrade over Ibanez and they probably have the best bullpen in baseball now: Papelbon, Bastardo, Qualls, and Contreras are going to pitch 75% of the innings I’d guess, and all four of those guys are excellent firemen.

The real loser this offseason has been Atlanta. Everyone else but the Mets got better, and the Mets have more problems than just what they’re putting on the field. Heyward should bounce back a bit, but they still don’t have solid offense in LF (they’re starting a second baseman out there) and will be counting on a rookie to lock down the SS position for them. Seems like they should trade some of their pitching for a legit outfielder if they want to make a run at it.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

BOOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNGGGGGG

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

The Simpsons link in your new article took me to the Frank Grimes episode, not the car episode

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

DISREGARD

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't adding speed holes!

Those occur naturally in our murderous city.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

A hypothetical question:

Say you have a cordial relationship with a MLB scout. You would like to work for this scout at a later time in whichever occupation, as you have a certain amount of down-time because you are a stay-at-home dad. You play phone tag about meeting up to discuss working together, but you get the feeling you might be wearing out your welcome. Do you hit the brakes and try later?

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

No..

pedal to the metal, don’t take no for an answer, pester him until he says yes.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If that doesn't work

Leave a flaming bag of poo on his porch and sleep in his yard.

by Cheeseballs on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"He called the poo shit!"

I’m pretty sure that would get me arrested. Thanks for the advice, though.

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Take a month or two off and then hit him back

I’ve been talking to a guy for two years.

Of course, waiting and letting them call you/bring it up is always a good judge of their true interest.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

For the international baseball types

does Sanchez pitch a lot for the Tigres? The roster is massive.
Same goes for Beltran on the Indios. Does he play?

Curious because the teams are playing in the Caribbean round robin tournament now.

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 2, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

I found them, but the Indios stats page is either broken or I can't view it for some reason

don’t think it matters, it doesn’t appear that Beltran even has a number on the team.
Sanchez has 14 appearances with pretty terrible stats for the Tigres.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Without context, it is an interesting thought.

But with all of our injury risks, I’d rather keep Jay and bank that Lynn and company can cover rotation depth. Of course, that’s assuming that Jay stays league-averageish, which might be up for debate.

by Kind_Al on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No

First, trading Jon Jay means the Cardinals don’t have a halfway competent defensive centerfielder at hand. Beltran—was a minus defender in right field last year—isn’t going to man the position full time even when Craig comes back. Right now, you’re depending on Shumaker and Chambers of picking up the slack if Jay is traded. The outfield isn’t broken, but it isn’t in a position where you can trade away MLB-level pieces.

Second, Jeff Niemann isn’t worth that price. Last season, he managed 135.1 innings in 23 starts, had a 12.6 HR/FB rate coupled with a 46.0 GB rate, 4.13 FIP, and a 1.5 WAR.

For point of comparison…

John Lannan…184.2 innings in 33 starts, 10.1 HR/FB rate coupled with a 54.1% GB rate, 4.28 FIP, and a 1.5 WAR.

Would you trade Jon Jay and a decent prospect for John Lannan?

Another point of comparison….

Jake Westbrook…183.1 innings in 33 starts, 11.4% HR/FB with 59.3% GB rate, 4.25 FIP, and a 1.1 WAR.

So, essentially, you’d be trading for a younger, cheaper, slightly better version of Jake Westbrook, but keeping Mr. No Trade Clause for the bullpen while weakening the outfield.

by Forsch31 on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I said Jon Jay OR a prospect...

not both. Also, your numbers seem to indicate that Niemann was better than WB or Lannan last year (while pitching in the AL East), plus he has upside those guys don’t have.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Jay

Unless you can pull of a post dispatch message board style trade for Niemann with Pete Kozma I wouldn’t do it

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't think Beltran-Komatsu-Chambers could hold down CF?

They could shield Chambers from lefties by playing Beltran, then move him to RF late in the game. My fear is that Jay is going to lose all his value over the next year or two and be a non-tender candidate.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I thank we would be making a fairly major subtraction for a minor addition

Especially since we may sign Oswalt. I agree that some of Jay’s value comes from an inflated BABIP, but he’s an above average fielding CF with decent hitting numbers if he keeps near his BABIP and has had decent numbers throughout the minors. Maximizing his value doesn’t necessarily maximizing his trade value if he can help the team. Until Craig is back at full strength the shift Beltran over and after this year he’s our best CF option and that’s assuming Beltran is still capable of playing CF.

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's my biggest problem with the original suggestion...

And the Cardinals’ 12th best prospect alone isn’t going to get Niemann.

by Forsch31 on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You're not seriously comparing him to John Lannan are you?

Has John Lannan ever struck out 10 batters in a game? Niemann did it three times last year, and two of those were against the Red Sox. Niemann is a better pitcher than Lannan, is younger, and has less service time.

We really can’t trade Jay right now since we don’t have anybody to man CF or be a serviceable 4th OF without him on the roster. But if we could somehow put Jay and one of our top pitching prospects (or Matt Adams) in a trade and get Niemann and BJ Upton, I’d be more than willing to talk about that. Upton would be a huge upgrade for our club defensively and could have a career year in his final season before free agency.

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by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they've been shopping Upton forever and haven't gotten much for him

Because Jay, Adams, and one of our pitching prospects is a pretty good haul for them. Jay could play for them right away, Adams could be a very good prospect for them as they always seem to be short handed at 1B/DH spots in terms of prospects (granted, this is probably by design), and they love to stockpile young pitchers.

They want to unload Niemann because he’s about to enter into his arbitration years and with the new draft rules, they’re probably better off moving Upton rather than accumulating the draft picks.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, you said "Jay and one of our top pitching prospects (or Matt Adams)"

which made me think it was a two for two trade.

i still think it’s a poor deal for the rays, though.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

A few things....
Has John Lannan ever struck out 10 batters in a game? Niemann did it three times last year, and two of those were against the Red Sox. Niemann is a better pitcher than Lannan, is younger, and has less service time.


Age
John Lannan—Born September 27, 1984
Jeff Niemann—Born February 28, 1983

I really don’t care what Niemann did in three isolated games last year—I care about what he did over the course of the entire season. My point is that by most measures, he’s still a back-of-the-rotation starter, marginally better than a Jeff Lannan or Jake Westbrook. You make trades to upgrade a weakness. The point of trading Kyle McClellan and signing Roy Oswalt—and taking a risk with his back—is to bump somebody like Westbrook to the bullpen, where he’d probably be a better reliever than McClellan and a far better swingman/back-up starter, while upgrading the talent of the rotation and betting that the worse case scenario (that Wainwright, Carpenter, and Oswalt would all miss major amounts of time while Garcia’s consistency doesn’t improve) doesn’t happen.

My main issue with the suggested trade is that you marginally upgrade the rotation, don’t get the benefit of Niemann’s lower salary—which would be the point of trading for another back-of-rotation starter—because you keep Westbrook, and you weaken the outfield, which you pointed out. It wasn’t a direct comparison to Lannan, other than my view that I felt that quay was overvaluing Niemann and that Jay—-who I think can be a league-average centerfielder—would be far too much to give up. You would have to make other moves to justify it, as you suggested.

by Forsch31 on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I would burn down Busch Stadium if we traded Jon Jay

He is the only current Cardinal I have a jersey of. I was one character too many for CheifJustice on the back

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Join me

I am getting a Lance Lynn shirsey once I find out what number he is going to be.

He won’t stay 62, right?

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You should get a Motte shersey

and tell everyone that you ordered a Lance Lynn shersey.

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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it's pretty tough to burn down bricks and steel

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

With laser eyes

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Trading Jay would be stupid

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

jeesh

Pujols 5 is no more.

Have fun in LA jerk.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 2, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Re$pect

would make for a nice restaurant name.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 3:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

someone should load up his statue and ship it to CA...

leave it on his door step.

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by Red Blazer on Feb 2, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

**knock knock knock**

//hurried footsteps and muffled laughter
//car doors slam
//wheels screeching

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

make it happen

or just go hang a bag of monopoly money above his hands

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And they renamed it the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame and Grill

Mmmm, Hall of Grill

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by dan on Feb 2, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not gonna leave town

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish Chris Duncan would do our play by play

Actually anyone not named Rick Horton

by Cheeseballs on Feb 2, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Could Chris Carpenter really butter that biscuit?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure if the pacing of baseball would be Panger's bag.

He’s great for the Blues though, as much as I like to make fun of him.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I hardly knew 'er!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or Al

They suck ass. They double suck ass when together.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the time of game for the Wash-Nats

just increased by an average of ten minutes.
Jackson is probably a better pitcher than Westbrook, but I don’t like scrambling to find things to do between pitches.
While I’m at it, I wish someone would tell Skip-adoodle to quit stepping out and (un-neededly) adjusting the velcro on his batting gloves between almost every pitch

by the Tewk on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

There's no probably about it. Jackson is far better than Westbrook.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll see; but with Jake at least you don't need

to yell at the screen “throw the damn ball, will ya”

by the Tewk on Feb 2, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I found myself wondering that.

I like Jackson’s numbers alright, but I really don’t want to watch a full season of him pitching.

The best was listening to Shannon complain about it endlessly in every EJ start. He was just freaking beside himself on every pitch.

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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't need to see anything. Edwin Jackson is a much better pitcher than Jake Westbrook.

Jackson’s fWAR the last three years: 3.6, 3.8, and 3.8.

Westbrook’s fWAR the last three full years (excluding his Tommy John-shortened season): 2.3, 2.3, and 1.1.

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by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hostility; and you are ignoring my point

but so you can rest your head:
YES, Jackson is a far better major league pitcher than Westbrook

by the Tewk on Feb 2, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently

Ken Rosenthal is worried for the Cardinals

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Now for the good news:

• Skip Schumaker, who batted .299 with a .353 on-base percentage after the All-Star break, will provide depth at several positions in a super-utility role.

wat

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with him on injury concerns, though.

this isn’t the most resilient group of people ever gathered.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They seem pretty damn resilient to me

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'd call him a concern troll

if he were a little bit taller.

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by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't quite meet the height requirement

He’s more like a kobold or a gully dwarf.

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by Solanus on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

... is that a Dragonlance reference???

Does Rosenthal use Uncle Trapspringer as a source in his articles?

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by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

certainly, the cardinals have a more-than-average injury risk.

but that’s a fairly poor piece of analysis.

first, he just lists some old and injury prone guys. then he praises a bunch of players who are of questionable caliber, without relating depth to quality.

including skip schumaker as an “asset” is one example of an issue with the analysis. but the likelihood that, say, rafael furcal provides 2 wins of value – even if it’s only in 100 games – is far higher than the likelihood that greene and descalso do at second base.

i’d rather have adam wainwright pitch 150 innings than have john lannan pitch 200. he doesn’t provide context for the depth/injury issues. moreover, one of the things the cardinals have demonstrated is that they have very good depth coming from a very solid farm. he declines to mention allen craig, who would be available to pick up after berkman or beltran, probably any time after may, with very little drop off.

i would say the biggest drop-off/depth issues are shortstop – where a furcal to greene gap is pretty big – and catcher, where a molina to anderson/cruz drop would be pretty substantial. if we merely get reduced innings from the rotation, the bullpen is very good. if the rotation sees a prime starter go down, teh drop off to lance lynn will be substantial. more than one serious injury to a major player in the rotation would be a big blow.

but how much of this is different from the story at any club? if you blow up any team’s two best pitchers, the team will not have adequate depth to completely cover for them. if you blow up any team’s shortstop, the team will likely have a big step down to the backup.

or, in pithier form, is it better to have loved had a 3 WAR shortstop and lost , than never to have loved had a 3 WAR shortstop at all?

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Like tom s. said, the Cards probably have more injury risk (age-related or otherwise)

than most MLB teams. But this line at the end of the article – “their roster, from a health standpoint, might be the biggest house of cards of any in the majors” – strikes me as an overstatement. Off the top of my head I’d say Philly (oldest team in MLB) probably has a bigger injury risk, and Colorado also has some major worries (just to name a couple teams). Are there other teams I’m missing with significant age/injury concerns among their significant contributors? Are we really that bad off as far as injury risk goes?

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

...
jelled

"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

SFW?

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

Does your work have a no Theriot policy?

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

don't get it

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

he's asking if its safe for work

/thats the jok

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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

oh thanks ... and yes it is

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah got that after the mammel told me what sfw? meant.

hadn’t heard that one before sorry (yeah with the subject line it was wise to ask)

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This is hilarious

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

god dammit strauss blocked me.

i can’t read heyman or strauss on twitter now. what shall i do.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

THIS

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This

(Seriously.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Figure it out from this.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

this.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

also

I laughed. Good work, guys.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This kiss, this kiss!

Unstoppable.

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 7:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

THIS

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

what have i done

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Feb 2, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

....this?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

please stand by; somebody has broken SBN

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

what the heck was that all about?

transformer blow up?

hey maybe it reset the search function!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did someone forget to close a tag again?

Tag discipline, people!

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I never type out tags

only copy and paste. And if I add anything, I always use the preview before posting.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

what does that mean TC?

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Thou shalt not create the strikethrough thread.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

meaning don't accidentally leave the end tag off of your strikethrough

it will strike through the entire thread, until a witch, such as d-dee, comes along and fixes it. And since I haven’t seen d-dee around here lately, that could be awhile.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This

(I can’t stop…)

Also, when looking for that thread, I discovered VEB search isn’t fixed and this.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

was told she was taking a break ... unfortunately for us ... no wait that was IHB ... what's up d-dee? ... and when are you coming back IHB and Y2S?

thanks scoot, i always highlight and use the handy strikethrough tool personally. not good enough to remember all the “tags” new lingo learned

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, me neither

I just use the handy dandy buttons

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah me too. it's so much easier than typing them out

i can do it at home without all the hassle of typing them out and remembering to close them

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I really want to test this out now.

I won’t, but I want to.

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to, too.

We should hijack some dying fanshot or something.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. That was my first thought.

o/

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

\o

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

hm

This is the least relevant. Or I could create one and then delete it 10 minutes later.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I thought about that too.

I posted one a few years back that we could use, but idk if comments would still be open.

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys tricked us.

It only affected the comment with the offending tag; the rest remained normal.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

SBN may have fixed the problem

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

never mind. we got it to work

we just needed to F5

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

did anybody mention this:

link

i don’t find the reds leading us 94 wins to 91 quite as strange as predicting the brewers to finish fourth with 79 wins. surely that can’t be right; there can’t be only 7 wins difference between the ASTROS and the brewers.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

It COULD be right

and don’t call us Shirley.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

wait! this shit gets crazier the more i look at it.

not only are the reds winning our division, they’re tied with the yanks for best record in baseball.
the phillies finish fourth in the NL East, behind the mets, who win as many games as the texas rangers.
tampa bay finishes fourth in the AL East.

i take it back. this is so dumb no one should pay attention to it.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything that has the Mutts winning as many games as the Rangers in 2012

is beyond ludicrous.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And to respond to myself, who in the world do that have as last in that division if not the Mets?

Phillies, Braves, Nats, and Marlins are all pretty clear favorites to outperform the Mets IMO.

by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

NLE and NLC look completely screwed-up.

Those projections look like they were drawn out of a hat.

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by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

the depth charts might not be updated yet

otherwise, yeah that’s awful.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess this hasn't been posted

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/rangers-not-likely-to-sign-roy-oswalt.html

roy-o’s leverage seems to be vanishing. i bet that $5MM offer is starting to look a little better. i’m glad the cardinals didn’t freak out and pay him whatever just so that they could sign him right now

by prophetjohn on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

thought he could have been a contender

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He coulda been somebody

instead of a bum, which is what he is.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He signed with Houston?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

not that i'm aware of

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He did

in 1996. After he was drafted…in the 23rd round.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

A JuCo guy, as I recall.

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's sort of interesting

When news of EJax signing by the Nats cropped up, Rotoworld’s Cardinals’ team news page listed the info, but now it’s gone, only shows up on the Nats’ team page (and EJax’ player’s page, of course. How…annoying. Usually doesn’t happen that way (or that quickly, anyway).

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Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Hey-man says b/t $8-12M

Rosey-thal says around $10M.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

herro

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Saturday's matchup fascinates me

I really don’t know who has the advantage

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

it's going to be so crazy. i wish i were going.

but didn’t want to dump the $200+ dollars it was going to require on stubhub. the metrics say mizzou should win, but i’m not sure i trust ’em. withey and robinson might go apeshit on mizzou but mizzou should be able to counter with speed. should be a great game.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that's not how the song goes

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

goodbye

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Animal Stuffers

These people are preserving not only their pregnant dog but they’re going to remove the unborn puppies from the mother and preserve those too. I’m horrified. And coming from me that’s saying something.

by openside on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Since google wont tell me

how much does a CPA typically charge for filing income taxes? Is it a percentage or a flat rate?

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

will you back up your work if I get audited?

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

one stop shop here.

i don’t stick around for the ethics, just for the savings.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh well, I don't want you to know that much about me

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

there are plenty of gov sponsored free ones

but I still use turbo tax, but never mind if you own you own business that’s probably irrelevant.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I do some contract work on the side

and use home space as an office, so, I’m afraid I’d screw something up. I used a tax preparation service last year but felt like they were a little too conservative in some areas. I’m trying to decide if it would be better to just use the same service or go with a CPA who may interpret some laws a little more liberally.

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

what you might think about doing is going to a tax lawyer/cpa. when you have contract/at-home business

that is substantial, a lawyer/cpa might both analyze your books and, at the end, suggest ways you could minimize some of your tax liabilities by reorganizing your business, incorporating, etc. to reduce your tax bill for next year.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This will cost bux

but I think there’s a deduction for cost of tax preparer, isn’t there?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it would probably cost a lot, but if scoot's making a lot in his side business, it might be worth it.

it all depends on how much scoot makes in his extracurriculars, which i’m not going to ask about. also, for how long he plans to keep doing stuff solo. if it’s just for the next year or two, probably not worth it. but if he plans to have a long-term side business, organizing it the right way could save a ton of money.

get a quote from a local lawyer/cpa. given the season, sooner is better than later.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the info

I made ~1/4 of my regular salary in my side job, but I don’t plan on doing it very long. From the therapists I’ve talked with, it seems like one of the big draws of doing it is the tax breaks you get from it. I think the trick is to not make too much on your side job though.

If it ends up costing me in taxes, that, along with the time it takes me away from my family, will mean I’ll quit immediately. The extra income is nice, but the hassle of that time away from home and the extra hassle during tax time isn’t worth it

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not going to lie

my first thought was, “aw man fang’ll get his SSN!”

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I have lifelock!

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really have lifelock

but, yeah, fang might do that.

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by scoot on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

matthew pouliot at hardballtalk runs down the worst position situations.

link

any traction in trading whichever of anderson or cruz doesn’t back up our molina to tampa bay to back up their molina? anderson has a slightly better offensive projection than jose molina, and cruz is a modest offensive drop-off from molina, but a solid defender. as the article notes, expecting jose molina to catch 1000 innings behind the plate seems like a bad idea, so either would have some value just to absorb innings. most important from tampa bay’s perspective, they’re both cheap.

i’m not sure that either has a ton of value, or that either makes sense in an isolated trade. but, to the extent we match up on a larger multi-player trade, catcher might be an interesting area to explore.

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

What about Stephen Hill?

Is he not a realistic option?

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Koyie Hill

will make Stephen Hill look like Mike Piazza.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he's gotta be 90 years old by now

if he stepped down as the DA how could he be expected to catch?

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fred Thompson could never compete

/politics

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Stephen Hill?


Is he not a realistic option!?!
/fixed

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a great idea

I doubt the Cards need both of Anderson and Cruz, so packaging one of them w/ McClellan sounds plausible. If the Rays have a CF with some sort of upside in the low-middle-ish minors, I bet that would be a decent fit and a realistic possibility.

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by nota bene on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

Sad, but most addicts relapse often

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by Notorious PSC on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What? No, this is the first I've heard of it.

A serious relapse, or what?

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, that's not such a big deal.

Sounds like he just had a drink or two. I assume there’d be more gossipy rumors about it if something had happened or if he really lost control.

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

All Star Game

Who all went to the ASG festivities in 2009? What were the attractions, other than the game, derby, and fan experience exhibit? I assume a lot of what there was to do involved the local bars and whatnot.
The reason I ask is that since the game is in KC this year, that sort of atmosphere isn’t really there. Kaufman Stadium is pretty far from the entertainment districts in KC (P&L, Plaza, Legends, Westport, etc). I’m not sure what to expect.

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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

for sure

the main reason I’m asking is that for my Capstone we’re doing a project where we are basically being outsourced the city’s planning of this year’s ASG. I’m trying to just get as much info about years past’s ASG preparations and see what would be applicable to KC

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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

trans.: PLZ DO MAI HOMWURKS FOR ME VEB

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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

i assure you i’ve got a whole other window open doing research, and a meeting with the Royals VP of Business tomorrow (humblebrag)

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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Also WWI museum is super cool

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

you can hang out with us KC VEBers

And have some good bbq

Albert who? Nope, not familiar with the guy. Is he any good?
"It's okay, we still have Berkman."

by arthropodtodd on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Whooooooooo

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by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sooo, as I was saying...

DeWitt Pasture had some stores and other attractions set up, which was kind of interesting. Don’t recall much beyond that. All the watering holes were packed to the rafters, of course. Shannon’s was mobbed.

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by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, one of the cooler things was a scavenger hunt for

signed baseballs. They hid them throughout the entire downtown area surrounding the stadium, from Kiener Plaza, to the stadium, to the metro stations, to the Landing etc, and then they’d tweet pictures of the ball with just a sliver of background. Let’s just say that it was drunken scavenger hunting at its best.

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by mattyp on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

VEB really was dead tonight

But it has arisen from the ashes, like a phoenix

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

It was broken for a couple of hours.

I assume this affected traffic.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 2, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah i tried to log in like a hundred times

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

the point it died is when I was trying to tell someone how warm it was in chicago but i never got to say that

then I ended up on the phone for an hour

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that was a pretty big one

that fan interference in Baltimore had to be pretty high up there, as well

"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was 4 or 5

Number two was the Joyce-Gallaraga call

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Peter Gammons just said Jason Heyward was in the "best shape of his life"

Isn’t he a little young for that?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

might actually be true

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Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

vacationing in STL in July

Goin to see a Sunday cards/cubs game, and then the 1000th Raw Monday… this is actually a pretty big deal to me since I don’t live very close to stl, so I don’t get to get there very often… I’ve only been to 2 cards games in my life, both vs dodgers, both were losses… hopin to see a win this time

by lauderdale on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

let's make this VEB day

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm considering getting tickets to the 1000th RAW

The Royal Rumble ended up being a lot of fun

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i was gonna go to the rumble

But I live I southern illinois, and was scared that if I got tix to somethin in winter that an ice or snow storm would prevent me from goin… it was the first time I was pissed about a nice, warm, sunny january day… can’t wait for july to get here!

by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lulz

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by Cardinals645 on Feb 3, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I had the same thought on my way in to work this morning

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by scoot on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

TWDOJS

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by tom s. on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

that was weird

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by BVHeck on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

so what happened?

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like he has really tackled the whole alcoholism thing so far

I sure hope so, the FSMW broadcast needs him in order to not suck.

Oh, and he lost 75 pounds! Wow.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm 95% sure that his alcholism was caused by Al

so they just need to remove Al and Dan can go back to drinking in moderation.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Come to think of it

I’m betting a lot of VEB’s alcoholism is caused by Al.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan said, "Al, you're gonna drive me to drinkin'"

“if you don’t stop talkin’ without even thinkin’”

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

we solved this a while ago.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 3, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I always heard he had a condo within walking distance of the stadium/restaurant.

for the nights he couldn’t make it back across the river.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

very smart

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

across the river where does he live over here?

condo makes soooo much sense for a announcer, why didn’t Dan get a clue

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 4, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Shannon only drives poorly while sober

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Fresh DanUp

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