Life after the St. Louis Cardinals' Astros Implants
On Tuesday I talked about how the Cardinals have built out their post-Pujols squad with veterans available on short-term deals, and in general I'm very excited about it; they've risked nothing more than the chance to sign Prince Fielder, and they've gained a team that looks ready to weather the worst year or two of the post-Albert-Pujols lull. They can do this, in part, because they were already prepared to spend $25 million on a thirtysomething with visible health problems; spending $30 million, instead, on Lance Berkman, Rafael Furcal, Carlos Beltran, and maybe Roy Oswalt is no particular risk by comparison.
But they'e also able to put themselves in this position because they have prospects to turn to after these players go back onto the market, another year or two older. Right now, this is what the Cardinals look like behind their Astros implants.
Lance Berkman—$12 million through 2012
Poor Allen Craig—apparently hitting .315/.362/.555 in 200 at-bats in the regular season and double-Pujolsing Alexi Ogando wasn't enough to guarantee him a full season in 2012, even though the starting right fielder was 35 and the starting first baseman is gone. He's clearly the first in line at first and in right, and given Berkman's huge career platoon split (1.009 against righties, .778 against lefties) and the likelihood of ex-Astro injury and positional jiggery-pokery he should significantly improve on his 2011 playing time regardless.
Or—second base. Someone tell Mike Matheny this isn't just a meme.
Past Craig there's Mark Hamilton, who should be sent to a nice farm somewhere where there aren't fifty other adequate first baseman on the depth chart ahead of and directly behind him, and Matt Adams, who will have to give us some reason to expect an above-average on-base percentage before he figures in the Cardinals' long-term plans as something more than a hedge against disaster. (Last year MLB first basemen hit .271/.345/.452, even in the Year of the Year of the Pitcher Story.)
Behind Adams is not very much—Jonathan Rodriguez put up a nice .251/.389/.472 line for the Midwest League at 21 and has a nice chance to be this year's Matt Adams, especially if he can get his strikeouts under control—which means the rest of the depth chart at first base is repurposed third basemen; it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Matt Carpenter or even Zack Cox get some at-bats there, if someone spends some time on the disabled list.
Rafael Furcal—$14 million through 2013
Pete Kozma's failure to thrive has done terrible things to the Cardinals' infield depth, which still looks a little peaked with Rafael Furcal standing on top of it. Tyler Greene is not quite so impressive in the Allen Craig role, but he's likely to see even more playing time in it, because Furcal and Daniel Descalso are not exactly brick walls at second and short.
Behind him things don't get any more impressive. Ryan Jackson hasn't proven he can't hit, yet, but .278/.334/.415 in the Texas League doesn't tell me much about what he can do, either; I'm still not convinced he's more than a replacement-level hitter at shortstop, and until we know what kind of great defense his great defense is he's hard to rely on.
Past that there's only Kolten Wong, who had a great half-season in the Midwest League and remains the Cardinals' best chance at a stable middle infielder by the time Furcal is gone.
Carlos Beltran—$26 million through 2013
Well, Allen Craig can only stand at one of these positions full-time; if Matt Adams impresses it's likely to be here, which would be excellent news for a Cardinals system that's lacked a really exciting bat since Colby Rasmus graduated.
Charlie Tilson and the 10 to 15 other speedy center fielders the Cardinals drafted last year are the nearest internal options, besides hoping that Thomas Pham will someday be able to play more than 50 games in a season; the Cardinals' outfield corners in the high minors were dotted, last year, with speedy non-hitters like Adron Chambers and Shane Robinson, non-prospects of all ages, and the kind of prospect that can be traded straight-up for Rafael Furcal. (Speaking of which, after his .322/.406/.603 month with Los Angeles's AA affiliate, Alex Castellanos is still stuck with a .239/.292/.389 ZiPS projection.)
It all makes me wish the Cardinals had managed to sign Kyle Russell, who at 25 hit .259/.342/.497 on that same Dodgers affiliate last year with 144 strikeouts in 394 at-bats. He's turned himself into Outfield Tyler Greene, combining nice speed and defense and enormous power with strikeouts in 32% of his plate appearances. It would be a fun sideshow, if not worth all the money he wanted out of that fourth-round pick back in the Kozma Draft.
Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse, and Maybe Roy Oswalt
The Cardinals' rotation is already really expensive right now, with or without Oswalt—they're due, right now, to spend $43 million on it, with the last $12 million year of Lohse the biggest expense. Luckily for the Cardinals, Lohse and Westbrook's production could be replaced for less money even if the Cardinals didn't have several top starting prospects on their way through the system.
Shelby Miller, 21 and putting up excellent AA numbers, is going to be difficult to keep in the minor leagues for a full season, and I doubt the Cardinals manage the trick. He's probably the Cardinals' fourth best pitcher right now. Behind him there's a firewall of pitchers who are probably better than replacement level as starters—Lance Lynn, Marc Rzepczynski—and behind them are Carlos Martinez and Tyrell Jenkins, who remain a few years away.
The Cardinals will have a lot of money coming off the rotation's books next year—even more if they outbid the Rangers for Oswalt's underpriced services—but thanks both to the weird collapse in veteran starter value and their increased rotation depth it looks like a lot of it won't need to be reinvested. Of course, if Adam Wainwright comes back looking like he never left a lot of that will be tied up in long-term contract questions.
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ST LOUIS, MO – OCTOBER 28: Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals goes in for the post sale handshake after FINALLY unloading that piece of shit boat on some sucker, Corey Patterson #44. (Photo by Jamie Squire/Getty Images)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
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ST. LOUIS MO – FEBRUARY 2: Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals walks out of the dugout and sees his shadow, signifying that baseball will be played in one more month. Elated, he celebrates with teammates.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Lance Berkman
Voted best beard of the 2011 Postseason, Salt & Pepper division.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Regarding the original caption...
It probably should just be:
Lance Berkman #12 of the St. Louis Cardinals is positively radiant.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THAT'S RIGHT, WOODCHUCK-CHUCKERS!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would very much like 6-8 more weeks of the winter we've been having over here
It’s been a decade since we got this much rain. Sorely missed.
Maybe we can get some snow (happens a couple times a decade where I live).
Cards fan in Middle East
I have a friend in Israel who says he's been getting a lot of rain lately, like almost 30 days straight
Last time it rained that much, well…
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Last time it rained that much...
They set a new annual record for consecutive days with precipitation.
by dan on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's been pretty nice here in the UK
and VERY nice compared to last winter. We didn’t get much in the way of frost over Christmas, and even though it’s been cold lately, it’s been dry with it, which is a rare blessing on these isles.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
i know right
its awesome. Apparently its gonna be hella cold this week though.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Suits me
off skiing on Saturday night!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Where in the ME?
I did lots of time there once upon a time. . . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Liar!
It’s snowed exactly one time this season here in NYC, and it was 65 degrees yesterday. Yesterday! May I remind you, Mr February 2nd, that yesterday was February 1st, and while I find that weather more than tolerable, it’s probably unacceptable. You know, ice caps and stratosphere and stuff.
by hangingfromatree on Feb 2, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Russell has nice speed and defense?
wow… This is the kid I saw at UT-Austin, or am I thinking of someone else?
Sign Roy O
Pujols had visible health problems??
Milt Thompson FTW!
who is Tyrell Jackson?
is this some mysterious alternate world clone of Tyrell Jenkins? WE HAVE TWO OF THEM??
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
combination of tyrell jenkins and ryan jackson
an extremely talented SP prospect whose best tool is his glove
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I rate him just a bit below Carlos Taveras, based on upside.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Shelby Wong will be better than both of them
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I think Shelby Wong is clearly a future MVP contender
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Come on man
There is no offseason in blog writing
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He's such a household name, I can't believe they got that wrong.
Also, URL FTW!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
hey is this like a prophecy john?
Oswalt was pitching!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Birthday Red!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
79 years young today
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
wow, Red's only 79?
Red has been around forever. I would have guessed he’d be in his 90’s or something.
youneverknow
That picture is from 1945 and he looks old in it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
No sunscreen for gingers of yore.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah was just about to post that
89
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Trevor rosenthal
Oscar Taveras
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Is this some sort of anagram?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No
Just surprised neither got a mention
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Both finished 2011 in high-A, so their projected MLB debuts may be a bit far off for the premise of this article.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He mentioned tyrell Jenkins
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
do you have to register with the FEC as rosenthal's
Official lobbyist?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
isn't Batavia "low-A"?
I know it’s short season but still counts as A-ball right?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think I usually call it short season a ball
but, I think you’re right, in that others call it low-a. So
A-ball
#corrections
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Yeah. I'm not really sure what you'd call QC
Mid-A? I guess it’s not terribly clear. I think I usually just call it A-ball.
Alternatively, why don’t they just make shortseason non-rookie leagues A, QC AA, PB AAA, SF AAAA and Memphis AAAAA or something? Weird system.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
because american can't go higher than three of something.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Nah, I've always though of QC as Low A and Batavia as Short Season
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Duh.
Both are likely to start the season in high-A, which would put them on a 2014 MLB arrival, I’d guess.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I liked what Strauss says about Holiday in the chat yesterday...
I have no idea which injury or “one of the sportscasters” you refer to. Holliday suffered a combination of hand and wrist injuries during the postseason but did not require surgery. My vibe is that Holliday is on schedule for a monster season.
I think I’m having the same vibe…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
so
if an OPS over .900 isn’t monster… what is?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Holliday's rate stats were very good.
He may mean “monster season” in terms of counting stats because Holliday will play his usual high number of games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Maybe he means
that Holliday will finally get his Cardinals Moment.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe next season he will have his "moment"
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
he'll probably fall down in the outfield and start crying like a stupid baby because he's the worst person in the world and a stupid fat idiot
"He probably misses his old glasses."
And his butt stinks.
And Rui’s mom dumped him.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Yeah Matt Holliday, why don't you stop being so pathetic
with your whole “I’m just a quietly awesome baseball player but once I open up a bit I’m actually pretty funny and I’m also a good person” act. A real man would have had a “moment” and not choked in the playoffs. And then he would have left us for some insane big-market contract. But you won’t do that because you’re Matt Holliday. How lame is that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A REAL leader
would fly 700 miles just to rescue some puppies.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I WANT ANOTHER DOG SO BAD
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
We're dog sitting another one for like two weeks starting next week
I love having two dogs around
"He probably misses his old glasses."
We have two dogs. The literally spend the entire day humping each other
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have two fixed females
both are mutts, and pretty low-key. I only wanted one, but got out-voted when the second one became available (it came from Wichita as a puppy when one of our nephews moved back to Colorado). They’re fine together, mostly they just ignore each other.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Two dogs ... best joke ever
An indian boy asks his father, the chief of the tribe, “Father, how did you name your children?”
The chief replies; "On the day your brother was born I opened the tee pee flap and saw an eagle soaring in the sky. So, we named him Soaring Eagle.
When you sister was born, I opened the tee pee flap and saw a fawn running across the meadow. So, we named her Running Fawn.
Why do you ask, Two Dogs F#@*ing?"
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
by Gibby45 on Feb 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what a life!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Another as in two,
or another as something happened to the one you recently got?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Two
I love the one we have now, I just feel bad because my wife sleeps all day and I work all day. Another dog would be more entertaining for both, but our loft is probably too small for two
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I am a proponent of two dogs. They are pack animals and having another home seems to make them happier.
My ex-girlfriend’s dog suffered from anxiety when home alone. He would even bite your pant leg if you were the last one to leave the house, in hopes of preventing you from leaving. They got another dog and that stopped him from caring about folks leaving.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Better than some band I've never heard of, obscure-music-listener
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm really disappointed that my last.fm account
recommends that I see NIckelback when they come to town…I’d go to a Cubs Caravan before that happened
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My head will explode if I have to agree
with the unicorn journalist.
Current lineup:
Furcal – 6
Beltran – 9
Holliday – 7
Berkman – 3
Freese – 5
Molina – 2
Jay – 8
Descalso/Greene/Skip Clusterfuckorama – 4
P
Assuming that everyone is healthy (a big if) and nobody has a huge dropoff in production, that’s as good a lineup as there is in the National League to start the season. Move Beltran to CF and put Allen Craig in place of Jay (I would hit the Craigen 5th and move everyone down a spot) and that creates a lot of tough outs 1-7.
Four hitters in this lineup have posted 5 WAR seasons during their careers (Furcal, Berkman, Beltran, Holliday).
The best way to soften the blow of losing Albert Pujols? Win 95 games the season after you lose Albert Pujols. Unless a lot of things go south, it would seem that this team has the ability to do so.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
And rotation (with Oswalt)
Carpenter
Wainwright
Garcia
Oswalt
Lohse
That would be right up their with the Brewers rotation and a touch behind the Phillies.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think adding Oswalt could take us beyond the Brewers
I guess we just have more health questions than they do, but I feel like they’re very dependent on Greinke and Gallardo (unless they’ve added another starter I am unaware of).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah I don't think Gallardo and Greinke have any less health risk than Carpenter and Wainwright
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
What I'm wondering is whether we already match up to the Brewers
I feel like Wainwright, Carpenter, and Garcia could all perform pretty close to both Greinke (on the higher end) and Gallardo (on the mid to low end). But they are three pitchers and obviously the Brewers’ two are only two. Is the rest of their rotation Marcum, Narveson, Wolf? They seem like they probably have a better top two (assuming Wainwright doesn’t just go back to being totally awesome right away) but I feel like we have a better top three.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Which club has the better top 3 depends on health.
I honestly believe Marcum is having arm troubles. He looked like a different pitcher in the NLCS.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think Greinke & Gallardo is maybe a touch better than Waino & Carp
Garcia is a bit better than Marcum, and Wolf/Narveson are probably a tiny bit better than Lohse/Westy, but right now we match up similarly at most spots. Add Lynn as a 6th starter and I think you can argue it’s close to a push. I agree that Oswalt makes us a bit better than them probably.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
That seems like a fair assessment
Both teams’ rotations are close enough that the biggest difference between the two, easily, should be health.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 2, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
But the real question is...
Are Gallardo, Greinke, Marcum, Wolf, Narveson vs. the Cardinals lineup better than Carp, Wainwright, Garcia, Lohse, Westbrook vs. the Brewers lineup? I would take the Cards in that situation, especially if Braun is out 50 games.
The Cardinals and Brewers see each other 6 times in the Brewers' first 50 games
two 3-game series, including the Brewers’ home opener series beginning April 6, then again in St. Louis beginning April 27.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I mean, they’re all pitchers, but WW is coming off of Tommy John just 12 months before the start of the 2012 season and Carp has a history of arm injuries and has been a workhorse the past three seasons. Greinke and Gallardo have no injury history to speak of.
Unless you’re taking the premise that the bionic arm post-surgery pitchers are less likely to get hurt than pitchers who haven’t had any arm injuries or surgeries (for which you’ll need to provide some pretty good evidence) I don’t know how you can make this statement.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
With Carpenter in particular it is problematic.
I can’t find them on Google but I remember Carpenter stating after his last surgery that his doctors told him it was only a matter of time until his arm blew out. One could argue that this is true for all pitchers but the doctors stated it in the context of his nerve transposition procedure, IIRC.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
there is pretty good evidence coming out that pitchers who have elbow surgeries
are at an increased risk for shoulder injury due. Especially if the mechanical flaw causing the abnormal force isn’t corrected.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i remember Carp talking about this and how he got advice from
someone else to make sure he does shoulder exercises to keep his shoulder strong…
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Knee injury from a play at first base
Had nothing to do with pitching.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 2, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
because 1930's orthopedic surgery standards involved looking at a guy's arm for 20 minutes
and saying, “yup, it’s broked.”
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
today's standards are so much higher
We’ve never had a guy get hurt, have the team doctors clear him, only to have him make the injury much worse. At least, not in the last 5 months.
Pitchers use their knees. I wouldn’t discount a healed knee injury any more than a healed elbow injury.
Grit != flat out sucking.
He's pitched three full seasons on it without so much as a hint of a problem
I’m not too worried.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 2, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
ruined his pitching ability by playing with a broken toe and it jacked his mechanics causing him to have a dead arm or something to that effect
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Thilnk he took a line drive off his foot and came back too fast.
Changed his delivery and hurt his arm.
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Towels a-plenty.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I hereby motion that second base position of the St. Louis Cardinals be permanently renamed to
Clusterfuckorama
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
"and as the ecksteins, schumakers, grudzelianeks,
And kennedys boarded the ships to the Undying Lands, so began the Age of Wong."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
Don't think Eck ever played 2B for us, but I rec'd it anyway.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
And the DeShieldses, and Belliards, and Aliceas, and even the lowly Hemonds...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
forgot Bo Hart
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
He sprained something walking to the dock
and missed the journey.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It was the Worst of times
It was the Best of times.
11 in 11, and 12 in 12 bitches!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Bo Hart, Tony Womack, Junior Spivey, and Joe McEwing really deserve to be on this list.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Recall that the late Albert of Pujols was there once when Ahab Tony ran out of players on the Pequod of the Arch
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Call me Ishmiles.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 3, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize that before the season that's all we have to go by, right?
If nothing has been played yet an someone is worse on paper than we are, I’m not assume they are going to beat us. That’s far more ignorant that assume we will win because we are better “on paper”
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would you like this written on a white board or something?
Maybe a power point presentation? How about an old-school slate?
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
C'mon man, you're better than this. . .
It can only be an Excel spreadsheet, right? Or maybe to be completely geeky, one of those open source spreadsheets.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, ridgesee is old school
as in, he’s old enough to have seen Schoendienst play as a rookie
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
The *original* tablet!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's something to do with oral sex, right?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, there are some pretty randy passages in the epic of Gil (Ga) Meche
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Heh. Not watched much AL baseball in the last 2 years
but until that comment I had literally forgotten about the existence of Gil Meche, a guy who got a $50m+ contract a couple of years back…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
He had one awesome season and a few average-ish seasons I think
I could be wrong, but I think the sexy parts of the book mostly are about his beast-like friend Ankieldu
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
heck of a guy
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I was poking around minor league numbers on B-Ref
At first I was just trying to remember what position Anthony Garcia played (outfielder, right?). Then I re-remembered Tyler Rahmatulla and Breyvic Valera. If I’m right, Rahmatulla is a kinda-old-for-Appy-League second baseman who nonetheless was impressive offensively, and Valera is our current mysterious talented Latin American prospect who is ridiculously young and whose final baseball name is yet to be determined (Fangraphs says Breyvil, B-Ref says Breyvic). And I guess he’s more or less a middle infielder at the moment. Is that about right?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Rahmatulla's been my best prospect since he's been drafted
He will surely disappoint me just as much as Robert Stock and Nick Longmire did
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Per my fanpost
He is my pick as sleeper for this year
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
HE'S MINE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You should update his stats in your sig
I hear that is what the cool kids are doing
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, then we'll see who really loves Rahmatulla!
Also, does anybody know anything about Valera?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Robert Stock's BABIP has been ridiculously unlucky. If his numbers suck when his BABIP is .300+, I'll jump off the bandwagon (and I'll probably be the last person off)
As for Longmire, I stopped liking him as soon as I saw him in a short video batting and running to first. First, I didn’t like his swing, and secondly, he looked like a plodder running to first, which concerned me because I had heard he was a toolsy outfielder, and I was expecting more burst/speed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Stock's BABIP isn't unlucky.
He rarely ever makes good contact. Have you seen him play? He’s a dead pull hitter and rolls over on pitches that end up being weak ground balls and hits a lot of pop ups. OF COURSE his BABIP is for shit — he never hits the ball hard, as evidenced by his 2 home runs over the last two years in 481 PA’s. Ryan Jackson has a higher ISO in the minors. So does Pete Kozma. PETE KOZMA.
His future is on the mound and I think the club is going to move him there this season.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
So disappointed...
that someone beat me to this joke.
By the evidence presented above,
If Rui likes a certain prospect, expect that prospect to either be out of baseball in three years. No wonder you’re evaluating soccer players….
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Neither one of these things bodes well for him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I boded your mother well last night.
ZING!
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not what she told me.
Trebek.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 2, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought this was pretty cool.
From Big League Stew: Angels GM Jerry Dipoto handwrites a response to fan’s trade suggestion
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow that is awesome
The Halos Heaven post about it is pretty cool. They seem to have some fun commenters.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
that is cool.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I shouldn't like him, but I sorta do
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
sweet jesus
Dipoto looks like a modern supervillain who wants to destabalise the world’s economy by signing everyone to 10 year PSCs

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
A young Willem Dafoe
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
A younger, handsomer Willem Dafoe
He’s either Willem Dafoe’s son/evil-heir, or a genetically improved clone of Willem Dafoe, possible with Dafoe’s consciousness transferred into it either through technology or black magic.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah even young Willem Dafoe looked like a younger, handsomer Steve Buscemi.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
He's the Hobgoblin in this scenario, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I could never keep those straight
I think there were two Green Goblins, and the Hobgoblin came between them? I didn’t actually read very many comic books, and I didn’t read them for very long. So I have enough knowledge of comic book mythos to be more knowledgeable than a person chosen at random, and it stop soon after that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oversimplified history of the Spider-Man goblins.
Norman Osborn was the original Green Goblin (as anyone who saw Spider-Man knows). Then Harry Osborn takes over as the Green Goblin (which Raimi set up brilliant at the end of Spider-Man 2 and then completely botched in the abomination known as Spider-Man 3 that killed that iteration of the franchise). Bart Hamilton also became the Green Goblin.
In the 1980s, they created the Hobgoblin because two Green Goblins (Norman and Hamilton) died and rehashing Harry as the Goblin would’ve been lame. So, there was a running mystery as to the Hobgoblin’s true identity—which was a really awesome angle for the comic and character, IMO. The writer left the comic just before the identity was revealed and the new writer revealed it to have been a character that had just been killed off in a Spider-Man/Wolverine one-off. Absurd, I know. Then, another character took it over.
It doesn’t work, really, but I want to call the GM who signed Pujols by the name “Hobgoblin.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is the cartoon cannon
Because I thought they revealed who the Hobgoblin was in the 90s-00s cartoon.
#givelancechants
Comics.
They actually revealed the Hobgoblin to be an already-dead character in the comic. Then another character took over the Hobgoblin mantle. Then, they re-wrote the Hobgoblin reveal to be another character and not in actuality the dead character. Very poorly handled.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think I used that term correctly.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Too bad we can't see more of that tie.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly he is not a saber guy...
he’s still hand writing letters. Sheesh. Get an email account, DiPoto.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
by fourstick on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know you're joking,
but I actually think DiPoto responded because he got a letter in the mail from the fan. Nowadays, getting a letter in the mail is a rarity.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
BJ Armstrong was autographed a basketball card and mailed it back to me!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You have no idea how many Iowans would treasure that card for their entire lives.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know! And it's a rare day when you see anyone with an onion on their belt either!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And not one of those nice white onions, because of the war, but one of those big yellow ones!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh for Craig to get 400+ at bats ( as a Cardinal)!!
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions
And Berkman
and Furcal…
The list goes on.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Assuming the sticking point on Oswalt right now is $2-3 million for a year,
I’d really hope that Mozeliak can explain to DeWitt that wins have an especially high marginal value to the Cardinals right now. So in addition to being a good baseball decision, signing Oswalt is actually a good business decision right now. I know this isn’t saying anything new in these parts, but still.
I’d also really hope somebody can explain to Mozeliak that Kyle McClellan wasn’t worth the headache.
Possible McClellan Explanation...
Mozeliak felt pressure from Dave Duncan (longtime K Mac advocate) to tender him a contract, so he did. Now Duncan is taking a leave of absence, and the team is stuck with the decision to tender the contract. Now a new opportunity arises, and Mozeliak sees the best place to unload the payroll, so he is working on moving K Mac.
I honestly believe the contract being tendered to K Mac was driven by Duncan, and not by the front office.
i found this
its worth reading about Based Balls in jolly old England
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
have you ever watched the Conan O'Brian olde tyme baseball skit?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
ah, the halcyon days of Late Night
he’s never been as good as he was then
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Such a true statement about sports in Britain
It seems like all these sports start here, and Britain is great at them to begin with, winning the first Baseball World Cup in 1938, and then slowly becoming worse and worse at the sport over time. It’s the curse of British sport!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Um, apparently the Miami Marlins also have an "Energy Team"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5vBKCnt_M&feature=youtu.be
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
What does that mea -- Oh god.
So they’re making this more like Venezuelan baseball now? With cheerleaders and whatnot?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
That Home Run Display needs backup dancers!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Games in Korea and Japan feature a constant din. . . I found it annoying when I lived there. . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
They've had
the Mermaids for several years. I’m not sure if that video is of the same group.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Puppy question:
He hates walking on a leash. Hates it. Used to love exploring on the leash but since it got so cold he got used to 2 minute long quick pee pee trips.
Now he just sits and won’t budge. The only way I can get him to walk is to pick him up, carry him a distance away, set him down, and then follow him home. I have a harness for him and the choke collar seems a little intense at 12 weeks old. I try carrying a treat but no dice on the simple fix.
Any ideas?
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Carry a better treat
Clicker training, too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
This.
I’d also throw in praise for when he does it right. Also, I’d have a normal neck collar. The harness makes it easier for the dog to do what it wants.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The ads for the harness talk about
the damage a collar can do to a dog’s thorax (well, I’ve only ever seen the ad once, and this with the mute on, so I assume they were talking about the thorax). Not sure how accurate this is, but seems reasonable. We never walk our dogs, they have 2 acres to run around, so can’t be more helpful.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gentle Leaders are really good
The dog can’t pull and it doesn’t compress the neck. Better than a traditional harness or a collar. We used them for a while and now our dogs are fine with a regular collar most of the time.
hated gentle leaders. all they did was wear a welt
In my dog’s face. I know people swear by them, but they were terrible for my dog.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gentle Leader helped with our boxer quite a bit.
Now that you mention it, I should try it on the pit bull.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
You are using North Korean dictators to walk your dogs?
Interesting. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They come cheap these days
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 2, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ooooo
She didn’t like that much at all. But, by golly she didn’t pull on the leash tonight. A completely different dog.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just start walking.
I assume you are stronger than a 12 week old puppy.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
joker
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I ended up dragging him for half an hour.
There’s got to be a better way. He’s surprisingly strong and tough. It’s hard to get a collar or hoodie on him. It’s a struggle. and that’s coming from a guy who regularly places actively resisting adults in handcuffs.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hope "probable cause" is involved in there somewhere.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
You need probable cause for a puppy nowadays?
F’in lawyers…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
either that or a safe word.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Probable cause IS the safe word
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have the opposite problem.
Had to go with a choke collar once he broke both a regular collar and a harness. He’s fine when my wife takes him running or he’s attached to a bike, but any leisurely walk I try to take him becomes a pretty decent arm workout.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Roll up the leash so that he's on a very short leash
Make sure you walk out your door before him
Make him sit as soon as you get outside
Never let him in front of you. If he does, just stop and call him back to you. Clicker and treat him when he does
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I mean, worked with me when my mom did this, so I assume it works with dogs too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tiger Mother!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
After the handcuff thread, I had many jokes for this
I will be the bigger man and move on
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Men and leashes are always bigger on the internet
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I couldn't help myself
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The thing is I do this. I reward him a ton. It's just a problem when he's on the leash.
Some weird block. He just shuts down. But then he jumped in the lake yesterday. So maybe he’s just weird.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's a mix between a heeler and a kelpie.
Hopefully a good running partner someday.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mine's a Stumpy Tail Australian Cattle Dog!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah
We’ve never had a problem though, no signs of boredom (chewing, etc.). We take it on a long walk every day too. She chill
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I've had an Aussie Shep
she was a great dog. Thought I’d get a real Australian working dog this time around. I’m in an apartment too. Just keep him busy and he’s not destructive.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah the shepherd is american.
i’ve owned one, and it was an awesome dog so i’m not trying to take away from that fact. it’s just not really australian. such a weird name.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I never had the heart to tell my Sydneysider
girlfriend that her dog was an American breed. She would’ve been crushed.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
huh. i guess it would just seem
common sense that it was aussie since it’s in the name.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Hell Ms. Guillard isn't authentic either
so whatevs. /foreign politics
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Our dog used to be like that with stairs
You just have to reward him for incremental progress. And what treats are you using? When I first got ours and was training her to walk outside with me, I was using Milk Bones and she wasn’t paying attention to me. Then I switched to hot dogs or grilled chicken and she was super attentive
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hot dogs are the best dog-training treat, in my opinion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I raised pigs when I was in high school.
We had a campout at the end of school and the next morning my friends were laughing and feeding them scraps of bacon. Pigs eat anything. I fed them donuts and Mt. Dew before I showed them at the county fair.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Yeah, that was my favorite Roald Dahl short story too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Brick Top approves of this comment.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that happened a few years ago not too far from me
wedding ring of a disgraced local businessman was found in a pig pen. not enough evidence to file charges..
> tebow
by cschepers on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Put the leash on him in the house and leave it on the ground, wothiut holding it at all
When he begins to move around the house with it on, while still not holding it, teach him to heal to you with rewards. Then when he learns that you can walk him but let the leash dangle without strain so that he continues to associate it
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do this. He loves the leash and has no problem with it.
He just walks ten feet outside the door and sits and won’t budge.
It must be something outdoor related. The geese or something.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Weird
Do you have a yard or are you in an apartment? If you have a yard you could just yard train the dog and as long as you play a lot and find creative ways to keep the dog interacting with other dogs then walks may not be that necessary. I have a yard and let mine out and only walk them when it’s too muddy or they need the exercise because it’s a day that I’m too busy to be home for long
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm in an apartment duplex thing.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 4:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
watch some ceasar milan the dog whisperer...that stuff is great and it works.
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Eh. A lot of his stuff is negative reinforcement, which has iffy long-term results.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
no its not...
never got that…
he says be calm and assertive…also exercise.
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Tell that to the asshat pheasent hunting dog.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Have you used cake as the treat?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
scrounges enough of that on his own.
He’s moved on to Little Debbies honey buns.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm guessing a bondage joke would be too far, right?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
ALREADY BEEN DONE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Like it was said, probable cause
or a safeword. Either/or.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I used to have that problem with ZoomZoom
One good shot to the groin, and after a short while, he bagen walking right. I hardly ever have to drag him anyomre!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
by Gibby45 on Feb 2, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think i should be the 1st "rec" for this comment
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
This.....
Sooner or later, he’ll realize it’s easier to walk than get drug down the side walk.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Also: Have you tried putting him on a leash inside first? Does he do the same thing?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That reminds me
Allen craig to second! Worth a try at the very least
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
No it's not
Dude just had major kneecap surgery
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
and he'd still be an improvement over Skip
CRAIGEN FOR 2B!!!
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Second base will be better on his knees
It’ss the Berkman Strategy.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I agree 100%
Except for the part where runners slide into his legs constantly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Oh yeah, maybe it's not a good idea after all
Stupid reality.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I heard him (berk) on
an interview somewhere this offseason, and they said something like- “Last year you told us that playing OF would be easier on your legs….” and Berk said “That was just a line I was giving you guys to get you off my back- of course 1B is easier.”
Because Matheny
Or is it a line this year?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 2, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Berk gonna Berk
that dude is pretty effin’ awesome.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That reminds me...
How did dude hit so well pre surgery…
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He must have a high grit factor
Good pujols replacement
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He is an athlete who wanted to help his team
Even though he had dead knee
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 2, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hence the grit
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 3:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hey, baseball news
JonHeymanCBS: edwin jackson in agreement with #nationals on deal. (he was seen in airport for physical)
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also, Nats have a ::really:: good rotation if Strasburg is healthy
Strasburg-Zimmermann-Jackson-Gonzalez-Wang sounds fantastic to me
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
it sounds like they'll trade john lannan to do so
Which is too bad because he’s a younger, cheaper westbrook. He makes $5m, twice as much as k-mac, but the nats may have to pay part of his salary to trade him.
That cuts into the market for both westbrook and mcclellan.
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JonHeymanCBS: jackson is a 1 year deal, believed to be in $8-to-12M range. #nats
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Jackson has been worth 3.6, 3.8, and 3.8 fWAR in the last three seasons.
Any salary in the $8MM-$12MM range is below market value.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
CJ? 2.0, 4.6, 5.9
But his 2.0 season was as a reliever. Which is pretty nuts
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Twitter
so it seems Jackson at $12M would be paid in line with Wilson
assuming a 4.5-WAR season from Wilson, and averaging out Wilson’s contract as if he were paid the same amount every year of the deal.
i mention this because
i’d rather pay wilson $15.5M than EJax $12M — i think it’s more likely Wilson exceeds 4.5 WAR than that EJAX exceeds 3.8ish.
i get it’s not exactly apples-to-apples, since wilson signed for 5 years, not 1, but that’s why i questioned the “market value” of EJax at the upper range of Heyman’s report.
If you use the $4.5MM free agent fWAR valuation, Wilson is more of a deal.
I’ve even seen some say this winter it’s closer to $5MM per WAR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who got $5M/WAR in a deal this offseason besides KMac and Schu?
Fielder? Wilson and EJax didn’t come close.
The $/WAR figure is based on the entire free agent market.
When you include players like Papelbon, Bell, Buerhle, Reyes, Wilson, Pujols, Fielder, Barmes, Beltran, Furcal, Crisp, Cordero, Cuddyer, DeJesus, Francisco, Hill, etc., the 2011-12 market value could be $5MM/1.0 fWAR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Jackson
at $12M than Wilson at $16.5M if both were one year deals.
I think Wilson’s contract is going to look a lot like AJ Burnett’s contract does right now in 2014. The “why did we pay this guy $80M? Nobody would trade a can of Spam for him right now….” contract.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
we get our 5th top 100 draft pick now somewhere in the high 50's/low 60's right?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lot's of reasons:
- He’s 31
- He’s been a full time starter in the big leagues for exactly 2 seasons.
- His walk rate last year was a full walk below his best effort to this point in his career. Not sure if he can keep that up.
- His BABIP in both of his two seasons as a starter is below league average, as has his HR/FB rate despite pitching in a hitters park half the time.
- His career xFIP is 3.80. For comparison, Jamie Garcia’s is 3.50.
- He doesn’t get a lot of swings and misses for a “power” pitcher that he supposedly is. In 2010 his SwStr% was 6.7%. Last year it was 8.3%. Neither is in the top 50 starters in the big leagues. Ian Kennedy got more swinging strikes last year. So did Gavin Floyd. If I’m paying a guy #1/#2 starter money, I’d at least like him to be able to induce a lot of swings and misses.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Good move for the Nats IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
is he getting a physical from the TSA at the gate?
the airport seems like a strange place for a physical
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
not since 08
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
at Christmas, my wife and 3 daughters all had to go through X-ray screening
the (male) guard then just had me go through a metal detector.
If the Nationals can trade Lannan and his $5 million contract...
we ought to be able to move KMac. Lannan makes twice as much and isn’t any better.
Sign Roy O
is Lannan really not any better?
i’m not looking at their stats, but the few times i remember seeing Lannan (granted, a few years ago) i remember him looking quite good.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Career 4.61 FIP
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(Jackson's is definitly trending in the right direction, however.)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
KMac amassed most of that as a one inning reliever...
Jackson could be an elite closer if they moved him to the pen.
Sign Roy O
Without looking
I think KMac had about a 4.1-ish xFIP next year. I think he could be a 1 WAR starter, which is probably the high-end of what Lanna can do, although it’s worth noting Lannan’s beaten his FIPs pretty consistently so far (again, IIRC).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
lannan has 4 straight seasons of one-win or better ball.
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guessing he projects worse going forward, though
he’s in his 30s now, right?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I think Lannan is likely more valuable than KMac
but at $5m vs $2.5m it’s a close call.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
zips has Lannan as a starter with a 90 era+
and KMac as a reliever with an 88 era+. So zips clearly likes Lannan more, but with budgets mostly spent, teams could prefer the cheaper guy.
Sign Roy O
I doubt any team
…is looking at Kyle McClellan as a starter, regardless of how cheap he comes, especially given how much he fatigued at the end of the season. John Lannan would make a nice 4th/5th starter. McClellan, at best, is Branden Looper Part Deux.
Starters are more valuable than relievers.
27. younger than kyle by 3 months.
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus Nats Park
is a deep, deep ball field. Good signing.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he's been better recently. he's been a consistent 1 win
Starter because he’s fairly durable.
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lannan career WAR (5 seasons): 5.0
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lannan career WAR (5 seasons): 5.0
Mcclellan career WAR (4 seasons): 0.1
Now, some of that disparity is because mcclellan has been a reliever. Maybe as a backend starter he’d be better. But at best he presents the possibility of being a decent backend starter, rather than having the track record of doing so.
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by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lannan, simply due to being left handed,
is better than K-Mac. He’s also made 25 or more starts in 4 straight seasons and has a career 4.45 xFIP. That’s not great, but it’s not as bad as Kyle McClellan. He has a track record for being a decent back of the rotation starter, takes his turn every fifth day, and would probably be a decent find for a team with good infield defense as he gets a lot of ground balls.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
If they stay healthy, the nats will win the east this season
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
I don't know...
they really need more offense. They pitching is awesome, but unless they win a bunch of 2-1 games, I think they’re not quite there yet. Hopefully they flip Lannan for a bat.
youneverknow
they got that phenom kid starting in right field...
I was hoping the Nats would land Fielder..that would have been an impressive team.
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I think they'll keep harper in the minors 'till June at least
longer if he’s not ready or blows another kiss at a pitcher after a homer.
youneverknow
I like the Braves.
They are def flying under the radar a bit, but I think Freeman will be better, Heyward should bounce back a bit, and they are absolutely loaded with good young pitching prospects.
by mick311 on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's still Philadelphia's division to lose.
I really don’t think they’re going to miss Howard all that much — in fact, having a full season of Hunter Pence might make up for the loss of Howard in terms of WAR. Hell, Jim Thome might be able split time there are at least be serviceable — he’ll get on base, that’s for sure.
Their rotation is the best in the league. With all the upgrades that the Nats and Marlins did to their pitching staffs they STILL aren’t as good as the Phillies, and the Braves have the second best staff in the division, imo.
Dominic Brown is an upgrade over Ibanez and they probably have the best bullpen in baseball now: Papelbon, Bastardo, Qualls, and Contreras are going to pitch 75% of the innings I’d guess, and all four of those guys are excellent firemen.
The real loser this offseason has been Atlanta. Everyone else but the Mets got better, and the Mets have more problems than just what they’re putting on the field. Heyward should bounce back a bit, but they still don’t have solid offense in LF (they’re starting a second baseman out there) and will be counting on a rookie to lock down the SS position for them. Seems like they should trade some of their pitching for a legit outfielder if they want to make a run at it.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
The Simpsons link in your new article took me to the Frank Grimes episode, not the car episode
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Wait
DISREGARD
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
no, no, everyone regard
and click this link, possibly over and over.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 2, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't adding speed holes!
Those occur naturally in our murderous city.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
A hypothetical question:
Say you have a cordial relationship with a MLB scout. You would like to work for this scout at a later time in whichever occupation, as you have a certain amount of down-time because you are a stay-at-home dad. You play phone tag about meeting up to discuss working together, but you get the feeling you might be wearing out your welcome. Do you hit the brakes and try later?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
If that doesn't work
Leave a flaming bag of poo on his porch and sleep in his yard.
by Cheeseballs on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"He called the poo shit!"
I’m pretty sure that would get me arrested. Thanks for the advice, though.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Take a month or two off and then hit him back
I’ve been talking to a guy for two years.
Of course, waiting and letting them call you/bring it up is always a good judge of their true interest.
Boog would have made that play.
For the international baseball types
does Sanchez pitch a lot for the Tigres? The roster is massive.
Same goes for Beltran on the Indios. Does he play?
Curious because the teams are playing in the Caribbean round robin tournament now.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 2, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions
I found them, but the Indios stats page is either broken or I can't view it for some reason
don’t think it matters, it doesn’t appear that Beltran even has a number on the team.
Sanchez has 14 appearances with pretty terrible stats for the Tigres.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody interested in Jeff Niemann for Jon Jay OR our 12th best prospect (whoever that is)...
Sign Roy O
Without context, it is an interesting thought.
But with all of our injury risks, I’d rather keep Jay and bank that Lynn and company can cover rotation depth. Of course, that’s assuming that Jay stays league-averageish, which might be up for debate.
No
First, trading Jon Jay means the Cardinals don’t have a halfway competent defensive centerfielder at hand. Beltran—was a minus defender in right field last year—isn’t going to man the position full time even when Craig comes back. Right now, you’re depending on Shumaker and Chambers of picking up the slack if Jay is traded. The outfield isn’t broken, but it isn’t in a position where you can trade away MLB-level pieces.
Second, Jeff Niemann isn’t worth that price. Last season, he managed 135.1 innings in 23 starts, had a 12.6 HR/FB rate coupled with a 46.0 GB rate, 4.13 FIP, and a 1.5 WAR.
For point of comparison…
John Lannan…184.2 innings in 33 starts, 10.1 HR/FB rate coupled with a 54.1% GB rate, 4.28 FIP, and a 1.5 WAR.
Would you trade Jon Jay and a decent prospect for John Lannan?
Another point of comparison….
Jake Westbrook…183.1 innings in 33 starts, 11.4% HR/FB with 59.3% GB rate, 4.25 FIP, and a 1.1 WAR.
So, essentially, you’d be trading for a younger, cheaper, slightly better version of Jake Westbrook, but keeping Mr. No Trade Clause for the bullpen while weakening the outfield.
I said Jon Jay OR a prospect...
not both. Also, your numbers seem to indicate that Niemann was better than WB or Lannan last year (while pitching in the AL East), plus he has upside those guys don’t have.
Sign Roy O
I wouldn't trade Jay
Unless you can pull of a post dispatch message board style trade for Niemann with Pete Kozma I wouldn’t do it
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't think Beltran-Komatsu-Chambers could hold down CF?
They could shield Chambers from lefties by playing Beltran, then move him to RF late in the game. My fear is that Jay is going to lose all his value over the next year or two and be a non-tender candidate.
Sign Roy O
I thank we would be making a fairly major subtraction for a minor addition
Especially since we may sign Oswalt. I agree that some of Jay’s value comes from an inflated BABIP, but he’s an above average fielding CF with decent hitting numbers if he keeps near his BABIP and has had decent numbers throughout the minors. Maximizing his value doesn’t necessarily maximizing his trade value if he can help the team. Until Craig is back at full strength the shift Beltran over and after this year he’s our best CF option and that’s assuming Beltran is still capable of playing CF.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's my biggest problem with the original suggestion...
And the Cardinals’ 12th best prospect alone isn’t going to get Niemann.
You're not seriously comparing him to John Lannan are you?
Has John Lannan ever struck out 10 batters in a game? Niemann did it three times last year, and two of those were against the Red Sox. Niemann is a better pitcher than Lannan, is younger, and has less service time.
We really can’t trade Jay right now since we don’t have anybody to man CF or be a serviceable 4th OF without him on the roster. But if we could somehow put Jay and one of our top pitching prospects (or Matt Adams) in a trade and get Niemann and BJ Upton, I’d be more than willing to talk about that. Upton would be a huge upgrade for our club defensively and could have a career year in his final season before free agency.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Because they've been shopping Upton forever and haven't gotten much for him
Because Jay, Adams, and one of our pitching prospects is a pretty good haul for them. Jay could play for them right away, Adams could be a very good prospect for them as they always seem to be short handed at 1B/DH spots in terms of prospects (granted, this is probably by design), and they love to stockpile young pitchers.
They want to unload Niemann because he’s about to enter into his arbitration years and with the new draft rules, they’re probably better off moving Upton rather than accumulating the draft picks.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
oh, you said "Jay and one of our top pitching prospects (or Matt Adams)"
which made me think it was a two for two trade.
i still think it’s a poor deal for the rays, though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
A few things....
Has John Lannan ever struck out 10 batters in a game? Niemann did it three times last year, and two of those were against the Red Sox. Niemann is a better pitcher than Lannan, is younger, and has less service time.
Age
John Lannan—Born September 27, 1984
Jeff Niemann—Born February 28, 1983
I really don’t care what Niemann did in three isolated games last year—I care about what he did over the course of the entire season. My point is that by most measures, he’s still a back-of-the-rotation starter, marginally better than a Jeff Lannan or Jake Westbrook. You make trades to upgrade a weakness. The point of trading Kyle McClellan and signing Roy Oswalt—and taking a risk with his back—is to bump somebody like Westbrook to the bullpen, where he’d probably be a better reliever than McClellan and a far better swingman/back-up starter, while upgrading the talent of the rotation and betting that the worse case scenario (that Wainwright, Carpenter, and Oswalt would all miss major amounts of time while Garcia’s consistency doesn’t improve) doesn’t happen.
My main issue with the suggested trade is that you marginally upgrade the rotation, don’t get the benefit of Niemann’s lower salary—which would be the point of trading for another back-of-rotation starter—because you keep Westbrook, and you weaken the outfield, which you pointed out. It wasn’t a direct comparison to Lannan, other than my view that I felt that quay was overvaluing Niemann and that Jay—-who I think can be a league-average centerfielder—would be far too much to give up. You would have to make other moves to justify it, as you suggested.
I would burn down Busch Stadium if we traded Jon Jay
He is the only current Cardinal I have a jersey of. I was one character too many for CheifJustice on the back
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Join me
I am getting a Lance Lynn shirsey once I find out what number he is going to be.
He won’t stay 62, right?
#givelancechants
You should get a Motte shersey
and tell everyone that you ordered a Lance Lynn shersey.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's pretty tough to burn down bricks and steel
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you're not going to get it done with that attitude...
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
guess you're right
I like Jay any way so I’m in
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
With laser eyes
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trading Jay would be stupid
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is that what they call the tips there?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
someone should load up his statue and ship it to CA...
leave it on his door step.
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//hurried footsteps and muffled laughter
//car doors slam
//wheels screeching
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make it happen
or just go hang a bag of monopoly money above his hands
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
And they renamed it the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame and Grill
by dan on Feb 2, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
he's not gonna leave town
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
making a hall made out of grills sounds like a fire code violation.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I wish Chris Duncan would do our play by play
Actually anyone not named Rick Horton
by Cheeseballs on Feb 2, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Could Chris Carpenter really butter that biscuit?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if the pacing of baseball would be Panger's bag.
He’s great for the Blues though, as much as I like to make fun of him.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hardly knew 'er!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or Al
They suck ass. They double suck ass when together.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
the time of game for the Wash-Nats
just increased by an average of ten minutes.
Jackson is probably a better pitcher than Westbrook, but I don’t like scrambling to find things to do between pitches.
While I’m at it, I wish someone would tell Skip-adoodle to quit stepping out and (un-neededly) adjusting the velcro on his batting gloves between almost every pitch
There's no probably about it. Jackson is far better than Westbrook.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
we'll see; but with Jake at least you don't need
to yell at the screen “throw the damn ball, will ya”
did games in which jackson started take markedly longer than league average?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I found myself wondering that.
I like Jackson’s numbers alright, but I really don’t want to watch a full season of him pitching.
The best was listening to Shannon complain about it endlessly in every EJ start. He was just freaking beside himself on every pitch.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 2, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
We don't need to see anything. Edwin Jackson is a much better pitcher than Jake Westbrook.
Jackson’s fWAR the last three years: 3.6, 3.8, and 3.8.
Westbrook’s fWAR the last three full years (excluding his Tommy John-shortened season): 2.3, 2.3, and 1.1.
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by bgh on Feb 2, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
hostility; and you are ignoring my point
but so you can rest your head:
YES, Jackson is a far better major league pitcher than Westbrook
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by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 2, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Mornin'
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, I think Motte, Skip, and K-Mc were the only ones eligible. Skip and K-Mc were settled early, so Motte was the only one offered arb, which was settled.
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Apparently the Cards haven't gone through an arb hearing since 1999
according to the Motte contract story at the mothership. I wonder how that compares to MLB teams generally.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
Ken Rosenthal is worried for the Cardinals
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Now for the good news:
• Skip Schumaker, who batted .299 with a .353 on-base percentage after the All-Star break, will provide depth at several positions in a super-utility role.
wat
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i agree with him on injury concerns, though.
this isn’t the most resilient group of people ever gathered.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
They seem pretty damn resilient to me
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd call him a concern troll
if he were a little bit taller.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
He doesn't quite meet the height requirement
He’s more like a kobold or a gully dwarf.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
... is that a Dragonlance reference???
Does Rosenthal use Uncle Trapspringer as a source in his articles?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
certainly, the cardinals have a more-than-average injury risk.
but that’s a fairly poor piece of analysis.
first, he just lists some old and injury prone guys. then he praises a bunch of players who are of questionable caliber, without relating depth to quality.
including skip schumaker as an “asset” is one example of an issue with the analysis. but the likelihood that, say, rafael furcal provides 2 wins of value – even if it’s only in 100 games – is far higher than the likelihood that greene and descalso do at second base.
i’d rather have adam wainwright pitch 150 innings than have john lannan pitch 200. he doesn’t provide context for the depth/injury issues. moreover, one of the things the cardinals have demonstrated is that they have very good depth coming from a very solid farm. he declines to mention allen craig, who would be available to pick up after berkman or beltran, probably any time after may, with very little drop off.
i would say the biggest drop-off/depth issues are shortstop – where a furcal to greene gap is pretty big – and catcher, where a molina to anderson/cruz drop would be pretty substantial. if we merely get reduced innings from the rotation, the bullpen is very good. if the rotation sees a prime starter go down, teh drop off to lance lynn will be substantial. more than one serious injury to a major player in the rotation would be a big blow.
but how much of this is different from the story at any club? if you blow up any team’s two best pitchers, the team will not have adequate depth to completely cover for them. if you blow up any team’s shortstop, the team will likely have a big step down to the backup.
or, in pithier form, is it better to have loved had a 3 WAR shortstop and lost , than never to have loved had a 3 WAR shortstop at all?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like tom s. said, the Cards probably have more injury risk (age-related or otherwise)
than most MLB teams. But this line at the end of the article – “their roster, from a health standpoint, might be the biggest house of cards of any in the majors” – strikes me as an overstatement. Off the top of my head I’d say Philly (oldest team in MLB) probably has a bigger injury risk, and Colorado also has some major worries (just to name a couple teams). Are there other teams I’m missing with significant age/injury concerns among their significant contributors? Are we really that bad off as far as injury risk goes?
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
...
jelled
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Depends
Does your work have a no Theriot policy?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
don't get it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
he's asking if its safe for work
/thats the jok
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 2, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
oh thanks ... and yes it is
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah got that after the mammel told me what sfw? meant.
hadn’t heard that one before sorry (yeah with the subject line it was wise to ask)
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
yes
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
This is hilarious
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
god dammit strauss blocked me.
i can’t read heyman or strauss on twitter now. what shall i do.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
THIS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was mostly being sarcastic. i won't miss their non-insight.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
THIS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
THIS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
get your meanspirited and incoherent commentary for the day from jose canseco's twitter feed?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
This
(Seriously.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Figure it out from this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
This kiss, this kiss!
Unstoppable.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 7:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
THIS
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
....this?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
please stand by; somebody has broken SBN
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
what the heck was that all about?
transformer blow up?
hey maybe it reset the search function!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did someone forget to close a tag again?
Tag discipline, people!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I never type out tags
only copy and paste. And if I add anything, I always use the preview before posting.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
what does that mean TC?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thou shalt not create the strikethrough thread.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
meaning don't type out the comment then strikethrough parts of it?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
meaning don't accidentally leave the end tag off of your strikethrough
it will strike through the entire thread, until a witch, such as d-dee, comes along and fixes it. And since I haven’t seen d-dee around here lately, that could be awhile.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
This
(I can’t stop…)
Also, when looking for that thread, I discovered VEB search isn’t fixed and this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
was told she was taking a break ... unfortunately for us ... no wait that was IHB ... what's up d-dee? ... and when are you coming back IHB and Y2S?
thanks scoot, i always highlight and use the handy strikethrough tool personally. not good enough to remember all the “tags” new lingo learned
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, me neither
I just use the handy dandy buttons
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah me too. it's so much easier than typing them out
i can do it at home without all the hassle of typing them out and remembering to close them
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I really want to test this out now.
I won’t, but I want to.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. That was my first thought.
o/
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
hm
This is the least relevant. Or I could create one and then delete it 10 minutes later.
Still not a werewolf.
Yea, I thought about that too.
I posted one a few years back that we could use, but idk if comments would still be open.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2012/2/2/2767936/i-just-want-to-try-the-strikethrough-trick
Still not a werewolf.
You guys tricked us.
It only affected the comment with the offending tag; the rest remained normal.
Still not a werewolf.
did anybody mention this:
i don’t find the reds leading us 94 wins to 91 quite as strange as predicting the brewers to finish fourth with 79 wins. surely that can’t be right; there can’t be only 7 wins difference between the ASTROS and the brewers.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
It COULD be right
and don’t call us Shirley.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
wait! this shit gets crazier the more i look at it.
not only are the reds winning our division, they’re tied with the yanks for best record in baseball.
the phillies finish fourth in the NL East, behind the mets, who win as many games as the texas rangers.
tampa bay finishes fourth in the AL East.
i take it back. this is so dumb no one should pay attention to it.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
It's behind a paywall anyway, but Phillies finishing fourth in the NL East is pretty goofy
(and behind the Mets is extra goofy)
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Anything that has the Mutts winning as many games as the Rangers in 2012
is beyond ludicrous.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
And to respond to myself, who in the world do that have as last in that division if not the Mets?
Phillies, Braves, Nats, and Marlins are all pretty clear favorites to outperform the Mets IMO.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
NLE and NLC look completely screwed-up.
Those projections look like they were drawn out of a hat.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
the depth charts might not be updated yet
otherwise, yeah that’s awful.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
i guess this hasn't been posted
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/rangers-not-likely-to-sign-roy-oswalt.html
roy-o’s leverage seems to be vanishing. i bet that $5MM offer is starting to look a little better. i’m glad the cardinals didn’t freak out and pay him whatever just so that they could sign him right now
The Astros are going to swoop in and screw this whole thing up.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap - if we get him on a one-year contract for $5 million (or something close to that)
that would be so awesome.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 2, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
thought he could have been a contender
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
He coulda been somebody
instead of a bum, which is what he is.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
He signed with Houston?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
not that i'm aware of
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
He did
in 1996. After he was drafted…in the 23rd round.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
A JuCo guy, as I recall.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's sort of interesting
When news of EJax signing by the Nats cropped up, Rotoworld’s Cardinals’ team news page listed the info, but now it’s gone, only shows up on the Nats’ team page (and EJax’ player’s page, of course. How…annoying. Usually doesn’t happen that way (or that quickly, anyway).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions
if edwin jackson signed for $8M i'm going to be pissed.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions
Hey-man says b/t $8-12M
Rosey-thal says around $10M.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
herro
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Saturday's matchup fascinates me
I really don’t know who has the advantage
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it's going to be so crazy. i wish i were going.
but didn’t want to dump the $200+ dollars it was going to require on stubhub. the metrics say mizzou should win, but i’m not sure i trust ’em. withey and robinson might go apeshit on mizzou but mizzou should be able to counter with speed. should be a great game.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's not how the song goes
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
goodbye
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Animal Stuffers
These people are preserving not only their pregnant dog but they’re going to remove the unborn puppies from the mother and preserve those too. I’m horrified. And coming from me that’s saying something.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Since google wont tell me
how much does a CPA typically charge for filing income taxes? Is it a percentage or a flat rate?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
will you back up your work if I get audited?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
one stop shop here.
i don’t stick around for the ethics, just for the savings.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well, I don't want you to know that much about me
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
there are plenty of gov sponsored free ones
but I still use turbo tax, but never mind if you own you own business that’s probably irrelevant.
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I do some contract work on the side
and use home space as an office, so, I’m afraid I’d screw something up. I used a tax preparation service last year but felt like they were a little too conservative in some areas. I’m trying to decide if it would be better to just use the same service or go with a CPA who may interpret some laws a little more liberally.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
what you might think about doing is going to a tax lawyer/cpa. when you have contract/at-home business
that is substantial, a lawyer/cpa might both analyze your books and, at the end, suggest ways you could minimize some of your tax liabilities by reorganizing your business, incorporating, etc. to reduce your tax bill for next year.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
This will cost bux
but I think there’s a deduction for cost of tax preparer, isn’t there?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
it would probably cost a lot, but if scoot's making a lot in his side business, it might be worth it.
it all depends on how much scoot makes in his extracurriculars, which i’m not going to ask about. also, for how long he plans to keep doing stuff solo. if it’s just for the next year or two, probably not worth it. but if he plans to have a long-term side business, organizing it the right way could save a ton of money.
get a quote from a local lawyer/cpa. given the season, sooner is better than later.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
thanks for the info
I made ~1/4 of my regular salary in my side job, but I don’t plan on doing it very long. From the therapists I’ve talked with, it seems like one of the big draws of doing it is the tax breaks you get from it. I think the trick is to not make too much on your side job though.
If it ends up costing me in taxes, that, along with the time it takes me away from my family, will mean I’ll quit immediately. The extra income is nice, but the hassle of that time away from home and the extra hassle during tax time isn’t worth it
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't really have lifelock
but, yeah, fang might do that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He'll use your info to go dutch on an mlb.tv account.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by a fink on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
matthew pouliot at hardballtalk runs down the worst position situations.
any traction in trading whichever of anderson or cruz doesn’t back up our molina to tampa bay to back up their molina? anderson has a slightly better offensive projection than jose molina, and cruz is a modest offensive drop-off from molina, but a solid defender. as the article notes, expecting jose molina to catch 1000 innings behind the plate seems like a bad idea, so either would have some value just to absorb innings. most important from tampa bay’s perspective, they’re both cheap.
i’m not sure that either has a ton of value, or that either makes sense in an isolated trade. but, to the extent we match up on a larger multi-player trade, catcher might be an interesting area to explore.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
scouting reports indicate that he's not a realistic defender behind the plate.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
yeah, he's gotta be 90 years old by now
if he stepped down as the DA how could he be expected to catch?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fred Thompson could never compete
/politics
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
What about Stephen Hill?
Is he not a realistic option!?!
/fixed
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's a great idea
I doubt the Cards need both of Anderson and Cruz, so packaging one of them w/ McClellan sounds plausible. If the Rays have a CF with some sort of upside in the low-middle-ish minors, I bet that would be a decent fit and a realistic possibility.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Anybody hear about josh hamilton relapsing?
by Cheeseballs on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yep
Sad, but most addicts relapse often
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
What? No, this is the first I've heard of it.
A serious relapse, or what?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, that's not such a big deal.
Sounds like he just had a drink or two. I assume there’d be more gossipy rumors about it if something had happened or if he really lost control.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
All Star Game
Who all went to the ASG festivities in 2009? What were the attractions, other than the game, derby, and fan experience exhibit? I assume a lot of what there was to do involved the local bars and whatnot.
The reason I ask is that since the game is in KC this year, that sort of atmosphere isn’t really there. Kaufman Stadium is pretty far from the entertainment districts in KC (P&L, Plaza, Legends, Westport, etc). I’m not sure what to expect.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
i didn't go to the ASG, but if you're into baseball and in KC, you should try going to the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
for sure
the main reason I’m asking is that for my Capstone we’re doing a project where we are basically being outsourced the city’s planning of this year’s ASG. I’m trying to just get as much info about years past’s ASG preparations and see what would be applicable to KC
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
trans.: PLZ DO MAI HOMWURKS FOR ME VEB
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
haha
i assure you i’ve got a whole other window open doing research, and a meeting with the Royals VP of Business tomorrow (humblebrag)
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
you can hang out with us KC VEBers
And have some good bbq
Albert who? Nope, not familiar with the guy. Is he any good?
"It's okay, we still have Berkman."
by arthropodtodd on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whooooooooo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sooo, as I was saying...
DeWitt Pasture had some stores and other attractions set up, which was kind of interesting. Don’t recall much beyond that. All the watering holes were packed to the rafters, of course. Shannon’s was mobbed.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, one of the cooler things was a scavenger hunt for
signed baseballs. They hid them throughout the entire downtown area surrounding the stadium, from Kiener Plaza, to the stadium, to the metro stations, to the Landing etc, and then they’d tweet pictures of the ball with just a sliver of background. Let’s just say that it was drunken scavenger hunting at its best.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
VEB really was dead tonight
But it has arisen from the ashes, like a phoenix
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yeah i tried to log in like a hundred times
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the point it died is when I was trying to tell someone how warm it was in chicago but i never got to say that
then I ended up on the phone for an hour
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Just watch MLB countdown. They have the Dekinger call #1 controversial of all time
Couldn’t disagree
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that was a pretty big one
that fan interference in Baltimore had to be pretty high up there, as well
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Yeah, it was 4 or 5
Number two was the Joyce-Gallaraga call
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Peter Gammons just said Jason Heyward was in the "best shape of his life"
Isn’t he a little young for that?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
might actually be true
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
vacationing in STL in July
Goin to see a Sunday cards/cubs game, and then the 1000th Raw Monday… this is actually a pretty big deal to me since I don’t live very close to stl, so I don’t get to get there very often… I’ve only been to 2 cards games in my life, both vs dodgers, both were losses… hopin to see a win this time
by lauderdale on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
let's make this VEB day
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm considering getting tickets to the 1000th RAW
The Royal Rumble ended up being a lot of fun
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was gonna go to the rumble
But I live I southern illinois, and was scared that if I got tix to somethin in winter that an ice or snow storm would prevent me from goin… it was the first time I was pissed about a nice, warm, sunny january day… can’t wait for july to get here!
by lauderdale on Feb 3, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
FUCK OFF, ANONYMOUS!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 1:17 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Oh I only meant that SBN was reprimanding me for not deleting it in the timeframe I had promised.
Still not a werewolf.
unless Anonymous was punishing SBN for considering punishing me
then, I totally take it back.
Still not a werewolf.
I had the same thought on my way in to work this morning
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that was weird
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
so what happened?
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like he has really tackled the whole alcoholism thing so far
I sure hope so, the FSMW broadcast needs him in order to not suck.
Oh, and he lost 75 pounds! Wow.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm 95% sure that his alcholism was caused by Al
so they just need to remove Al and Dan can go back to drinking in moderation.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Come to think of it
I’m betting a lot of VEB’s alcoholism is caused by Al.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Dan said, "Al, you're gonna drive me to drinkin'"
“if you don’t stop talkin’ without even thinkin’”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
How does Mike Shannon not have multiple DWI's
He should be taking lessons from the master
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 3, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I always heard he had a condo within walking distance of the stadium/restaurant.
for the nights he couldn’t make it back across the river.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
across the river where does he live over here?
condo makes soooo much sense for a announcer, why didn’t Dan get a clue
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 4, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Shannon only drives poorly while sober
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think she's on steroids. She's practically doubled in size in the last 6 weeks.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Late peaks are pretty suspicious.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions

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