Matt Adams and above-average first basemen
by DanUpBaby on Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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PrintIn the last two years 10 first basemen have managed a bWAR between two and three—in the "above-average but not spectacular" range. Ryan Howard did it twice, but he hit 30 home runs and drove in 100 RBI and struck out 329 times, and if you do the first two things baseball purists don't care about the last one, apparently, so let's assume he's way better than these other guys.
Actually, that's the most striking thing about these guys—three of them are franchise players ostensibly in their primes. Aside from Howard there's Mark Teixeira last year and Prince Fielder the year before that. But I'll get back to that.
I brought up this list—here it is—because I've been thinking about Matt Adams, who came up a few times in the red baron's Spring Surprises post. All last year I was skeptical of Adams's ability to be a star first baseman, and I still am, but with Albert Pujols gone and the Cardinals no longer structured around an outstanding first baseman—or any one outstanding player—it's time to imagine him as a possible average contributor, one of the cheap cogs on a team that will ideally be filled with them.
So if 2 WAR is an average first baseman, and 3 WAR is a nice first baseman, here are some pictures of average-ish first basemen.
Ryan Howard—2.0 WAR, 143 G. This is 2010, when Ryan Howard hit 31 home runs, drove in 108, batted .276, got MVP votes, and made me afraid of slugging first basemen forever. Great power, pretty-good average and walks, and Ryan Howard-like base running and defense look like this. From 2007 to 2010 Howard alternated 140 OPS+ and 120 OPS+ seasons, and I'm not sure people who imagine baseball players as the Platonic ideals of themselves were willing to differentiate between them. He was always Ryan Howard, Slugging First Baseman.
Carlos Pena—2.2 WAR, 153 G. I like this Carlos Pena season because, thanks to his inability to make contact, it shows just how gaudy your numbers can be in an area or two while you remain no more than cromulent at first base. Last year, as the Cubs' caretaker first baseman for the big free agent that never materialized, Pena walked 101 times and knocked out 58 extra-base hits.
Gaby Sanchez—2.9 WAR, 159 G. Sanchez tops this list, having played just well enough to avoid graduating, despite having some superficially unpleasant numbers for a first baseman. In a full season's worth of games he hit 19 home runs, batted .266, and walked 74 times on his way to a not-especially-OBP-heavy .779 OPS.
Here's how he did it:
- He got year-of-the-pitchered. In 2011 National League first baseman hit .270/.350/.451, for an OPS of .801. That's 12 points lower than in 2010 and 58 points lower than in 2009, the last Year of the Guys Who Aren't Pitchers. Presumably Matt Adams will have this advantage as well, with the added benefit of lowered expectations as we adjust to a new offensive environment.
- He played all year. 159 games counted for fifth in the NL in 2011, and WAR is a counting stat. Matt Adams is built like a tank in the bad way, but then Matt Holliday lost time dealing with appendix and moth problems and he, in addition to being built like a tank in the good way, spent his whole offseason playing squash in a David Freese t-shirt. So who knows.
- Here's the big one: Last year Sanchez did all the things first basemen don't usually do well enough to avoid a penalty we usually don't bother levying on first basemen in the first place. He was a league-average baserunner; he fielded his position well.
Here's why I'm worried about Matt Adams: Slow, unathletic first basemen have no slack. Since an average-hitting first baseman is probably also a slug who can't field his position especially well, the real average first basemen have to bring something else to the table. And unless they hit on all the harder-to-measure things in the same year, like Gaby Sanchez, the above-average ones—the guys who might make an All-Star team or two—have to hit at a level that we've historically associated with stardom.
It's such a brutal position that even the players we've historically associated with stardom don't have to lose very much to be just really useful. You can have great power—Teixeira hit 39 home runs in his year in pretty-good-first-baseman purgatory—but if you don't get on base a lot, you could still be out of luck.
Matt Adams doesn't get on base a lot. He could be useful, even really useful, but unless he has another gear we haven't seen yet, when he falls off like Howard, Fielder, and Teixeira all did here, it will be directly into not useful.
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I know he looks like he should be slow and unathletic but, amazingly he is not. My biggest concern about Adams is the walks.
by jjray on Feb 16, 2012 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What a downer.
I’m still bullish on Adams and think he can slug enough to be a fine first baseman.
#givelancechants
As long as he's cheap, a 2 WAR
1b is not a huge problem, especially considering our much more balanced lineup. I’d take Adams a 2-3 WAR for the next 4 years or so and I won’t complain one bit.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
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halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
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do matheny and lilly each only have one leg?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
It isn't showing up for me either now.
It was when I posted it. They might have a referrer block going.
Link still works.
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by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hasn't worked for me all day.
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by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm confused
Didnt he mash last year? At Springfield, he had a .300 average and hit 32 home runs in 463 at bats, and struck out 90 times. That ain’t all that bad. That kind of production at the big league level might even be worth more than three WAR.
Let’s give Matt a chance to pull it together.
Adams was a left-handed hitter in Springfield, which is a left-handed hitter's paradise in a hitter-friendly league.
According to Statcorner, Adams posted a wOBA of .403 and a wOBA+ of 112. As Azru notes, his 2010 was actually better relative to his league: .392 wOBA and a wOBA+ of 116.
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Hammons Field skews for lefties?
That seems weird to me, because the left field wall is shorter than the right field one.
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Go look at Daniel Descalso's numbers there or, for that matter, Colby Rasmus's.
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Right field has the giant wall though
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Check out the park factors box in the lower RH corner here
http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=SPR&year=2011&leag=TEX
See how for HR it says 173/147? 100 is average. That means Hammons was a very, very favorable HR park for btoh RH and LH batters, but was especially favorable for LH. Likewise, e.g., you can see how the park depresses triples.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
thanks for the link
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Miller's numbers then are all the more remarkable, no?
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(that being said, Miller's splits were quite a bit better on the road)
SSS applies, in either case. His Aug 10 stinker at home (pitched .2 innings, gave up 4 ER) skews the numbers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Usually, the higher a wall is is indicative
of how the stadium plays. If the RF wall is higher then the stadium caters to LH batters and the wall is just a small equalizer.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
exactly.
that’s why I said “small”, because it’s more cosmetic than anything substantial.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
the ball travels down the right field line right along with the prevailing winds
and Springfield tends to be a pretty darn windy town.
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After watching Adams in several games last year,
I dont know that Hammons Field played a large part in padding his numbers. The dude hits some major bombs that would leave most any major league park.
by Hollirosa on Feb 16, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe it was better relative to league, but it doesn't mean it didn't show improvement, even relative to league.
For example, Adams’ wOBAr improved from .388 to .398, going from QC to SPR. Why? Because his LD% increased (at least according to statcorner), his HR rate went up, his walk rate went up slightly, and his infield fly % went down, but his BABIP went down 17 points.
Adams’s numbers in 2010 and 2011 are interesting because they are very similar. Given that he jumped a whole level in the process, I think that bodes well for him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those are good points too
For a while I was a little disappointed in Adams’ 2011 because he fell off from his ridiculous pace in the first half of the season. But the end result is that he basically replicated his production at a higher level, improving on rates that you mentioned. Obviously it’s still a question what he’ll do going forward exactly ,but it’s at least encouraging.
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the Texas League is actually not a hitter's league as I've seen repeated many times on here
we just happen to think so because we have such a hitter’s ballpark.
Also...
Alex Castellanos, I believe, usually batted behind Adams in Springfield, thus protecting him. When Castellanos was traded, Adams’ numbers took a hit and he didn’t do nearly as well in the second half of the season as the first (which also could be chalked up to recovering from some injuries). The stats seem to indicate that Adams is a bit of a free-swinger, so it’s possible that pitchers were able to pitch around him more and make him chase.
Adams definitely has power, though. And that’s the key for him, because I think his defense at first is below average.
If there's such a thing as "protection,"
why were Pujols’s numbers the worst of his career in 2011 when he had Holliday and Berkman hitting behind him?
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I think that there's probably something to the protection theory
but with the truly great hitters, like Pujols, you might as well through “protection” out the window
by mattyfrommo on Feb 16, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
In the case of Pujols, Bonds, etc,
protection needs to be in front of them. High OBP guys that clog the bases and give the defense less chances to IBB.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that could be said for just about anyone.
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pujols seemed to really expand his strike zone trying to hit everything out of the park last year...
I don’t think protection helps with pitch selection.
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Yeah,
I think there have been a LOT of studies out there disproving the whole “protection” idea. The only protection for a hitter is having men on base in front of him, not who’s batting behind him.
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Here's one
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1042
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FWIW I think some of the conclusions drawn in that study (and others I've seen on lineup protection) are debatable
But protection is definitely overblown by the mainstream media.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm like 99% sure Adams second half was close to identical of his first half.
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he had a .332 wOBA from ajuly- to the end of the season.
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compared to his .438 wOBA in the ~250 PAs before that.
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17 in his first 218 AB
15 in his last 245
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that would require me to look at more than just month-by-month splits
so …
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17 in his first 231ish
15 in his last 232 ish.
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Nope....
Strikeouts rose and batting average dropped. HR power remained about the same.
it's the only thing the BABIP GOB can't control!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one has mentioned the most important stat of his two half-seasons, which is RBI.
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by Alxfritz on Feb 16, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
I knew this was going to end up on VEB and I was prepared to do it myself if need be.
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I fear it could become a regular feature.
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I'm thinking about putting it on my business card!
It’s probably my favorite thing ever, and I don’t think the fact I’ve had 5 hours of sleep in the last three days contributes to that at all.
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Pitching change: Kyle McClellan replaces Chris Carpenter, batting 9th.
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by TBender on Feb 16, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Heh.
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Is the first guy from St. Louis?
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Did he go to high school with Ryan Howard
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 16, 2012 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they both look like beeker
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He should do some photoshopping on it
Make the skin red and put in some big pointy teeth sticking out. It’d look like a Japanese Oni mask.
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is that fang?
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I remain a relative Adams non-believer
I think he COULD be league average, but that’s somewhere close to his ceiling. As you note there – even with his amazingly gaudy numbers last year, a wOBA+ of 112 is only kinda meh for a 1B. If he gets to the major leagues and doesn’t even lose a step, stats-wise (i.e. if he can be a 112 wRC+ guy), he’s probably not even an average first baseman, given his size. If he loses a bit of effectiveness between AA and MLB he’s going to end up being pretty replaceable.
I think we’ve seen too many seasons from left handed hitter like Daniel Descalso in 2009 (.416 wOBA) in Springfield to get too excited about Adams, just yet.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair. . .
(and I didn’t realize this until I went to b-ref to make unflattering comparisons of the minor league performance of Matt Adams vs. Ryan Howard and Prince Fielder)
Matt Adams was just 22 years old last season (he turned 23 at the end of August).
That’s make his stats much more impressive to me, even considering the park factors. He has quite a bit more development time.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Though it's worth noting his wRC+ last year was 137
which was very impressive. Not sure how that equates with his wOBA+….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
He kind of mashed.
His 2010 year was actually better relative to league averages.
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Well.
He also skipped a level.
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QC to Springfield
He must be allergic to sunshine and beaches.
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The FO doesn't like the way he looks in a swim suit.
He will be “injured” and not travel with the team for all West Coast road trips.
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by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's very relevant as well, yup.
I think that makes me slightly more excited about him than the points I mentioned in my post above. I still think he’s probably somewhere between a 0 and 3 WAR 1B as a major leaguer though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
There is always the posssibility
that 3 years down the road Adams stats and Pujols stats could be very simular. Not saying they will but saying they very well could be.
This would only happen if Albert's walk rate remained at his career low from 2011
and Adams improved his to around 12%. I don’t see either of those things happening.
Defensively, Pujols will have the edge as well.
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.357 OBP
Matt Adams doesn’t get on base a lot.
I guess it depends on what you consider “a lot.”
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he doesn't get on base as much as a
SOOOOPER Slugger like Cabrera, Pujols, peak Giambi etc.
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to clarify
‘a lot’ equals ‘more than just a little above average’.
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I think he was referring to
how Adams really doesn’t take a walk well.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Sure, but if you don't walk much in AA there is a significant chance the non-walk portion of that OBP
Will decline in the majors. Whereas walk rates tend to stay pretty steady.
This
He’ll end up a lot closer to a Mark Trumbo OBP than a league average type (for first basemen)
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by CodyG on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trumbo's OBP of .291?
You have a personal vendetta against this guy? Your view seems contrary to the majority of scouting reports I’ve read, including BA, BP, and Law. Any basis for the Matt Adams hate?
by johnorpheus on Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Reading some of the assessments of Adams from the national prospect folks have made me feel better about him.
I’m still quite worried about his walk rate, though.
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i'm not worried about the lack of walking
he was getting pitches to crush early on at springfield…his BB% picked up as pitcher started pitching around him
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i do think the power is a slight mirage though
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I'm kinda the exact opposite
looking back, I can’t see too many guys who walked <8% in the low- and mid-minors who’ve turned into all-star hitters (which is what Adams needs to be to be much more than an average player, given his size and position), so the walkrate does worry me.
On the other hand, I heard he hit some light-tower home runs last year, though, so I don’t necessarily think the power is a mirage (although I don’t think he’ll have a .266 ISO in the majors…)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
personal vendetta? hardly
I just like to keep my expectations of a player realistic, and a guy like Trumbo is a really close comp IMO to what I’m expecting from Adams.
He’s probably around a league average hitter, to a slightly above average hitter, when factoring position adjustments and defense (which I expect to be bad to average), then I can’t see much more than a 2 WAR ceiling for Adams unless his power is like a legit 70-80(which it isn’t) and he’s being walked more because of that.
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Fair enought
I think a 2 WAR ceiling is extremely pessimistic based on what I’ve read. Every place that I trust (BA, BP, Law, etc) sees him as having a plus to plus-plus hit tool with plus-plus power. The only concern mentioned is his walk rate and body type. If this dude was posting .400+ OBPs we’d talking about a top-20 prospect and the next Prince Fielder.
by johnorpheus on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
if he had a .400 OBP with a low walk rate, I'd still be pessimistic on him
he would have done that two different ways, with a lot more power than he already has shown, or with a BABIP of like .370. If it were the former I could get on board with him being above average, but if it were the BABIP thing many of us would still be shouting low BB rate.
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I'd refer you to the original post.
Ryan Howard has plus-plus power. But unless Adams shows that he can take a walk, play defense, or run the bases, there may be a low ceiling for him at first.
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by tom s. on Feb 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forgetting how good Howard was during his prime?
Seasons of 6, 3.7, 4.7 and 3.0 WAR? If Adams is producing like that as a cost-controlled player that would be awesome. I comparison to a younger, better Howard is not a bad thing. So if Adams is Howard that’s anywhere between a 3 -5 WAR player. Is that a low ceiling? What’s a good ceiling – Albert in his prime?
howard averaged like 50 HRs, and 13% walk rate in those seasons, both of which I doubt Matt Amams will ever do.
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Not the point
He was saying Adams had a low ceiling based on comparisons to Howard. I was saying Howard was a good player for several years. For the record, I see Adams and Howard as comprable at all. Adams will have higher avg, fewer ks, less walks and homers, but better defense.
I doubt Adams adds much with the glove to be honest, but even then that's hard to quantify so I'm just going to back off that point.
The batting average point is kind of moot, since Howard’s better walk skills and slugging skills kind of defeats the purpose in using Ks, and BA as an argument for different skills when overall production is all we can estimate. Adams will strike out around 17-20% of the time in a normal year, have an ISO of around .200 (cherry picking here) if I had to guess, walk around 7-8% of his PAs, and with a normal LD% he’d likely have a ~.300 BABIP if I had to guess and 30 HRs.
that’s like a .281/.336/.481 projected stat line (if I did that correctly) which would be around a .356 wOBA which is less than howard’s career wOBA.
/totally made up numbers over 500 PAs.
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err i wasn't going to post this because I just reread your comment right before clicking it
still though, I feel around a .280/.335/.480 line would be an accurate line, maybe less power though since I gave him like 30 HRs over 500 PA in my quick calculation of this so he’d probably have a lower BA and OBP if i’m at all correct.
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The problem with this comparison
is that Adams makes way better contact than Trumbo did and is younger for his ago level than Trumbo ever was in the minors. Trumbo’s only comparable year would be his full season at AAA, which was at age 24 and, thus far, seems to be a huge outlier for his actual talent level.
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I consider “a lot” more than .357, since the league average was .337 and there are some real questions about springfield’s park.
20 points higher than league average is pretty good
And if you’ve seen Matt Adams home runs, you’ll see that they weren’t exactly the “barely make it over the fence” type. Dude obviously hits with power.
Kevin Goldstein described him as “a hitter, not a slugger” which he described as good for his future.
#givelancechants
Over league average, but I'm willing to guess it's less than the average OBP for first basemen in AA.
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by CodyG on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think his power is in question.
But, considering his free-swinging, there are concerns that he could wind up to be a Mark Whiten-type player more than a Prince Fielder-type player.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
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Free Swinging makes it sounds like he struck out a lot.
He struck out 90 times. That’s not a whole lot.
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No
by free-swinging, I meant that he will go after pitches out of the strike zone. In AA, he could still hit those pitches. There are worries that ML pitching will exploit that.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
this, which is why we're discussing his BB rate as well.
his k rate is 17.5%, but like eckstreem said, he could see an increase with promotions due to his swing at everything approach.
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Personally, I think he'll be just fine
but unless he has a bit of a change in his approach, I see him as a 6-hole type hitter. Maybe like Reggie Sanders with a bit more batting average.
Now, he could very well either maintain his Vlad Gurrerro ways, which would be fucking AWESOME! Or he can refine his batting eye a bit and keep his obp around .360 or so. Either way would be just fine by me. He’s plenty young enough to still have a lot of time to improve his approach.
His major problem, IMO, is the bar that’s set at 1b for the Cardinals moreso than his potential to be a very capable major league first baseman.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
No, it's intimating
that as the pitchers get better, he will strike out a lot more. I’ve seen a lot of film where he looks terrible against good pitchers. And I don’t think he’s as good a bad ball hitter as someone like Jeff Francoeur is.
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this might be relevant
here’s another PI link, first baseman (specifically players with more than 60% of their time at first) between 2002 and 2011 with an OBP of .357 or less, ordered by WAR.
I'm kind of confused.
Are we disappointed that he could wind up in the Top 15 of that list? Top 20? Top 25?
Or are we just trying to calm the waters and make people realize that the production that Pujols put up is not something to expect?
Because, with the team we have, if Adams put up numbers that got him into the top 20 of that list (basically 2 bWAR players), I’d be happy with that. We aren’t promoting him to be the cornerstone of the team. He’ll be up because he can hit for power. If he becomes Ryan Howard (without all of the national media attention, I presume) then I’m all for it.
Doesn’t mean we have to center the team around him.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I wish I would have read this before I typed the exact same thing....
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Because AA batting and pitching is different than MLB batting and pitching
Assuming Adams will duplicate his .357 OBP two levels up isn’t all that realistic.
My worries about Adams is that (a) he has a defense at first that requires a Prince Fielder-level offense to be a bit above league average all around, (b) that his second half to the season was a big drop from his first half, and © that he has holes in his approach to the plate that can be masked at lower levels.
I like the guy. But I’m going to hold off on the optimism for his prospects.
Well you are
probably right but in my case the word “worry” doesn’t enter into it because if Adams is inadequate I’m sure Craig can be a fine 1B instead.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 16, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
OK let me try that again.
You are probably right but I wouldn’t use the word “worried” about myself because if Adams proves inadequate I am confident Allen Craig can be a fine 1B.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 16, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my surprise/concern is that all of 20 seasons on that list
in 10 years hit our “average” marker.
my concern with matt adams is the same one I have with zack cox: not that he won’t be able to reach his potential as a player, but that the player he potentially is isn’t as valuable as he looks.
Well he was in springfield all year
You need to take into account that a .356 obp is a lot closer to league average than it would be in the majors.
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by CodyG on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
what's league average
and what’s league average adjusted for park when you play half your games in springfield?
.357 is pretty unremarkable if we know those facts, i bet
The difference between Adams and some of these guys
is that Adams is a pure hitter and doesn’t strike out to the extend a Howard/Pena type would. Adams is a guy capable of consistently hitting .300 with 30 plus bombs. I see plenty of .300/.360/.500 in his future. Plus I’ve seen reports that he’s not as unathletic as his body type might suggest. I think he can be a 3-4 WAR guy consistently.
He also walks at a much lower rate than these guys too, so I wouldn't put my money on him being a 4 war player.
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by CodyG on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, what's a wOBA of .390 or so
over 600 PAs equivalent to by WAR? He’s been at .392 and .403 the last two years…right? If he does that at the major league level at some point like he has at both levels he’s been at in both years, then we’re looking at an oWAR of 4+ if offenses around the league are still around .315-320 wOBA when he’s in STL.
that's a really big IF
you need to adjust for the league, and position… by that logic Oscar Taveras is the next Ty Cobb.
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It is a really big IF
for him to continue to improve. I realize. However, he improved last year, by wOBA.
That's what I'm hoping for too.
I’d be thrilled to watch him take the ball to all fields and smoke 25-30 hr’s over the wall.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
In other words.
He sounds like Skip Schumaker if Skip Schumaker could hit the ball 500 feet consistently.
Is that such a bad thing?
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- Jackie Brown
It absolutely isn't bad but it also isn't ideal.
That is to say, it isn’t Albert Pujols or Lance Berkman.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Then how many first basemen in baseball are "ideal"?
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- Jackie Brown
Okay, there are two factions
One that believes that Adams is probably a 2-3 WAR player
One that believes Adams is a 4+ WAR player
I’m in the former group. I like him, I think he does a lot well. What he doesn’t do well will constrain him to be a league-averageish 1B rather than an All-Star level 1B
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I'm between the two.
I think that 4+ is his peak and could very well reach it but his not-peak seasons will be in the 2-3 variety.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
4+ WAR guy is a little too optimistic, even for me.
I’d put myself in another (third?) faction: 3-4 WAR guy, likely an above-average regular.
by johnorpheus on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think Adams is probably a 2-3 WAR player and could be a 4+ WAR player.
That’s probably why I don’t understand the polarity of the Adams debate.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You mean he isn't going to turn into one of the best hitters of all time?
Or a borderline HOF’er?
Matt Adams sucks!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly my point.
I don’t understand why the argument is that a cost-controlled 2-to-3 WAR first baseman with 4+ WAR potential is bad.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I haven't seen anyone really making that argument.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm reading too much into the folks that seem down on him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And what I'm saying is that there isn't much disagreement here on Adams. He's not that polarizing.
Seems like there’s a camp that say Adamas is likely to be a 2-3WAR player and another camp that says 3-4WAR – hardly widely disparate views.
I see this thread as showing more consensus than anything else. It’s not like there’s a bunch of folks on one side that say “5+WAR” and another that say he’s a AAAA slugger.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well maybe I'm in disagreement
as I think his most likely result is a 0-2 WAR player, with some hope he gets into the 3 range.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
this is a pretty safe bet, until he's seen some time in the MLB saddle and can show he can handle
the level of pitching and the level of hitting while he’s playing the field. Also, if yadi throws to first he’d better damn well catch that ball!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think this whole discussion should be tabled until July
Because I think his first 300 PA’s at Memphis and in ST are going to be very telling as to what kind of player he could become.
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I don't think that's the argument
I think the crux of the whole thing is that some of us see superstar potential, and others see a productive, cost controlled 1b potential.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
And others see Trumbo.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
trumbo was a 2 WAR player last year with tons of power and not many walks
it’s not a terrible comp, Matt Adams just needs to walk more. it’s that simple.
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I agree that he needs to walk more.
I think Trumbo is a bit off-base as a comp because of his poor contact ability. Most scouting reports that I have read rate Adams as having a plus contact tool.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Adams still struck out 17.5% of the time, which isn't far off with what trumbo was did this year ~20%
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He also has a consistently below-average LD rate.
Now, whether Adams will maintain a 21+% LD rate going forward is an open question. Given the higher LD rate and lower strikeout rate as well as scouts consistently rating Adams as having a plus hit tool, I feel comfortable concluding that he is better at hitting for average than Trumbo.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I feel it's necessary to mention the split in Adams' LD% at home/way having a large difference is kind of odd.
18% away, but 25% at home.
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I... don't know how much I trust in those numbers
Because I applied to me a BIS scorer for this type of data, and was accepted, and it’s incredibly subjective. A LOT of scorer bias
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Heh heh heh
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Is this a reverse- Mom joke?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think Adams has much better contact skills than Trumbo
and he strikes out less than Trumbo as well.
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I think the argument is that we need to keep expectations low, and at least realistic
there are still a few things uncertain about Matt Adams, one being how he’ll perform when he’s not in a hitters league like AA, and AAA.
Anyone who sees a 5+WAR season out of Matt Adams, or a .900+ OPS in the future probably should be met with skepticism.
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Skip actually has decent plate discipline
By all accounts, Adams’ is much worse. So is his contact ability.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 17, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
No way Adams hits .300 for his major league career.
He’s barely over that as a minor leaguer. There really aren’t that many true .300 hitters in the majors, and I can’t think of any fat ones other than Helton and Cabrera (who’re both borderline HOFers and likely better hitters than Adams will be).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think John Kruk walked all that much.
(just trying to think of fat non-borderline HOFers)
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Lifetime BB percentage of 14
I’d say he walked a good amount
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Umm
Tony Gwynn. He got pretty fat, which was a shame.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
lean 'n mean
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 16, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Or wait for VEB to post some.
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Time for a new sig
The moth has been sacrificed
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Just followed that link because I forgot what it led to.
COME BACK Y2S!
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
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Nobody knows...
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone chip in a dollar
Lets pay him to return!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 6:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If we could get a sponsorship of Edmonds' page
We can most certainly get this. Okay, pass the hat around.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hes like the steward of veb
Worth putting him on the payroll or make a tip jar. But who knows dude could be Rich for all i know..
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 7:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
... Rich Harden? Rich Hill? WE MAY NEVER KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
My phone does random capitalizations. Weird… Or maybe its a sign, his name is Rich! Someone find all Richs that are cardinal fans, lets figure this out!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 7:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My memory is that one year he was fit
and the next year he was fat.
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50 Stolen Bases!
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Yeah
Look up some pictures from his early days.
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Oh yeah.
He was a pretty good base stealer early on. Stole 56 bases in 1987 and had over 300 SB for his career.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Helton might be overweight now (haven't seen him lately)
but he certainly wasn’t in his prime.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
This
Dude was a QB.
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by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda thought that as I was writing it TBH
He’s not even overweight now really. I’d say he was more “big bodied” in an Albert-kinda way.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Helton is fat?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
The knives come out at Future Redbirds when you talk abotu Matt Adams.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
You mean like West Side Story?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can WAR be calculated at lower levels?
I need the deeeeeets
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Check stat corner
It doesn’t account for defense though.
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by CodyG on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is that what makes it not a respectable stat to evaluate the prospects?
I never hear WAR used for minor leaguers.
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
in my specific case
it’s just because I’m somehow constitutionally unable to train myself to go to statcorner.
Is it a poor site?
I’m obviously not the first person to think of this. There has to be glaring flaws in the stat.
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No.
It’s a very good site. I think it’s wOBA+ stat is invaluable in evaluating minor leaguers.
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Would you use WAR to evaluate a prospect?
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
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Well, the point of prospecting is you want to know what they'll do in the future
And WAR is not predictive. And defensive metrics are pretty unreliable in the Major Leagues, so they’ll DEFINITELY be bad in the minor leagues
I’d rather just look at BB rate, K rate, contact rate, ISO, with scouting reports on defense.
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Also
you can’t use the averages for MLB WAR to calculate minor league WAR. I’m not even sure how you would qualify a AA replacement level player. Given that there are social promotion-like factors involved with moving minor leaguers up, replacement level is a radically different concept in the minors.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Probably not.
But that’s more a function of me using WAR primarily to evaluate free agents in the big leaguers than anything else. None of this means that a MiLB WAR is inherently flawed, though; or, for that matter, that it isn’t. I’ve just never considered the stat.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But if we're looking to maximize wins in the Majors, why wouldn't we be looking at this statistic in the minors?
Like a T. Greene vs Descalso, or a Chambers vs. Komatsu? Is it difficult to translate MiLB WAR into MLB WAR?
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think I understand.
You use WAR to value a players past performance so as to when he reaches free agency, you can place a monetary value on him.
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WAR isn't meant to be predictive.
So much of evaluating minor-leaguers is predictive that I don’t much see the point of WAR. Also, comparing players across leagues would be pretty difficult, IMO. But I’d defer to folks who know more about math than me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is an excellent post.
It also hits on the pro-slugger bias many in baseball have, which is why positional adjustments seem to be offputting to folks (e.g., Buster Olney). 30 HR and 100 RBI are impressive statistical milestones to anyone who has ever collected baseball cards. However, a player has to do more than hit homers and drive in runs to be valuable, even if this fact isn’t recognized by some in and around the game (e.g., the Philadelphia Phillies front office). Adams could very well be a 2.0-to-3.0-WAR first baseman. If he does this at a cheap price while clubbing 420-foot dingers, I’d be more than okay with it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Meanwhile driving to work this morning I heard some Denver talk-radio fools
Complaining that Tulo has okay numbers but they are not really clutch… Ugh! They have no idea the value they are getting out of him as a shortstop.
Double ugh.
Clutch? Really?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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Yup. The conversation was that they think CarGo is better because he is more clutch than Tulo
Which whatever, these guys are idiots, I was just really shocked by how dismissive they were of Tulo’s production. They said something to the effect of “he’ll probably hit 28-30 home runs, hit around .300 with about 100 RBIs, but when will that production come? In the past he hasn’t been very clutch. Now CarGo, he didn’t have very good overall numbers last year, but he was really clutch.” They were acting like yeah Tulo’s numbers were just okay particularly because he is not very clutch.
I quickly changed the station.
How did your ears not bleed?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well it wasn't talk about Jeremy Lin or Tim Tebow so at first I thought, ahh someone here cares about baseball
But quickly became disappointed.
Okay numbers for arguably the best player in baseball, yeah.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Did you call in and offer them
Allen Craig straight up for him? I mean, Allen Craig is clutch, just look at his postseason!
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For those curious
a .403 wOBA at home, and a .360 wOBA away this year (SSS)
he also hit more HRs on the road (17 / 15)
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And a fairly small platoon split
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Happy Birthday wishes to Eduardo Nazareth Sanchez who turns 23 today.
What do you get a man with a WHIP of 1.00000 and a K/9 rate of 10.5 ? Best wishes for good health and the opportunity to be the eighth inning guy and closer-in-waiting.
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Now that is one kick ass middle name
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Yes
Somewhere there is probably someone with the middle name of Dokken. And I really feel sorry for him.
The dude with the middle name Cinderella would love to switch with Dokken.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
You get him a spot in the Cardinals bullpen, that's what.
Retire #52!
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A Nazareth album?
He probably has them all already.
But you have to admit, Hair of the Dog would make a great bullpen closer song.
Now you're messing with .............
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!!!
dgoold: T Greene, Z. Cox and Wittels spent time with Oquendo this morning fielding grounders at second base on a back field. #stlcards #Cardinals
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the guy accused of rape then we signed him as an undrafted free agent SS.
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College player, accused of rape at some point, had a 56+ game hitting streak in college
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Did the accusations come to anything?
I need to know if i’m allowed to like him.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
well apparently
they were dropped. GO THAT GUY!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
The security camera footage vindicated them
As well as that the victims claimed they were drugged when toxicology only found alcohol.
Not afraid to nitpick
but "the defendants never denied having sex with the young women"
so if nothing else, they were extremely stupid for having sex with a 17 year old coeds.
I don’t like him.
Plus, he's wearing underwear on his head.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't hold them exercising their 5th Amendment rights against them.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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Good point
I suppose that’s not the same as saying they did have sex with those girls.
Damn lawyering on VEB
Dude was 20 years old that's not exactly crazy
Hell, 17 is the age of consent in Missouri.
Not afraid to nitpick
In Kentucky,
it’s any age that ends in -teen.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
by Eckstreem on Feb 16, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hah
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 16, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
When I was 20
my decision making skills were probably at their peak either.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Were NOT at their peak.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
I just think that if you're a baseball player, with obvious pro potential
maybe you’d do a better job of keeping it in your pants during questionable situations
of course it might have all been a scam
I still don’t like his face
I think there is a positive correlation between
being a baseball player with obvious pro potential and NOT keeping it in your pants.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
I think the correlation is more
between being 20 years old, drunk, in college and NOT keeping it in your pants.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
Agreed.
Being a good athlete can only strengthen that correlation.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Chicks dig the long ball.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
what if he was in love?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
who cares?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 16, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's 16 in the Bahamas which is where it took place.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I think it was reportedly some sort of attempt to extort money out of him wasn't it?
He was originally slated to go in a fairly early round in the draft IIRC.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
according to that report
it was an attempt to extort money out of the Atlantis Resort. Maybe him too, but he didn’t really have any money since he hadn’t been drafted yet.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I'm pretty sure someone here posted a fanshot of this and the general reaction was meh.
I think he was late-round at best before, iirc.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was out of the question he could've gone in the first ten rounds
not a potential star by any means, but seems to profile as a possible backup guy, way down the line. I think we’ve drafted worse players in the first five rounds in recent years (Kenny Peoples, take a bow).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 17, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
cox and wong at 2B?
it’s a sausage fest.
give me arabica or give me death -- spants
by il rosso on Feb 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
why isn't pet prospect Patten in this group?
he was Wittels’ college teammate and was actually drafted.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
patten cox & wong?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
patten wittels cox and wong
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Young and Naught?
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
People will make fun of either way
Either they’ll joke about the Cards’ “Patten Wong” all day, or they’ll mock out “Wittel Cox”.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Or maybe they'll just harass me for my incredible typo streak.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I thought "Wittel Wong" and "Patten Cox" would have been a better combo
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 16, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ohh.....
I forgot about Wittels. I think he may turn into something we can use someday. Probably won’t be a star, but a mediocre starting 2B, or backup MI. I think his bat will play.
I wouldn't get my hopes up
he was an undrafted FA after all.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm assuming you spoke with all 30 teams to glean this information
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
no need to be so dismissive. the conventional
Wisdom at the time was that he would’ve gone 10-15th round, but for the charges.
Obviously, nobody can take a poll of all 30 teams. Sometimes conventional wisdom is all you have.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 16, 2012 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes only high draft picks go on to be good players
Too bad we lost out on that former 1st round pick that the Angels signed for 250MM(yes I know this is the exception and not the rule, I’m just saying don’t write players off evacuee they weren’t high draft picks
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 16, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not writing him off
There’s a difference between “not a high draft pick” and “not a draft pick at all.” It’s asinine to expect anything from him. According to what Patton told me, Wittels had never hit over .300 before he went on that crazy hitting streak, not even in high school (take that with a grain of salt).
Fun fact: both were in Batavia last season. Wittels put up a .629 OPS through 42 games. Patton .825 in 63 games (both SSS), As I was saying, expecting an undrafted FA who has put up a very mediocre line in his only professional time, is asinine.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm not writing him off due to him not being selected in the draft
I’m writing him off because prior to his hitting streak, the guy never hit .300 at any level, has no power, and posted a .629 OPS in Batavia last year. He’s just not a very good baseball player. Period.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I doubt that he amounts to much
He was a projected 13-15 round choice prior to the allegations.
He’s undersized, has no power tool to even develop, and can really only play one position…which also happens to be a position where the Cardinals are stacked with high upside prospects in the minors.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I think i like americans more after today
American lecturer described the French as ‘getting their asses handed to them’ in the Franco-Prussian War
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
They absolutely did.
Nice little WWI prelude.
by openside on Feb 16, 2012 12:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
WW2
In the first ww, they lasted the whole thing. In 2 is when they folded like origami
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Q. How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
A. Nobody knows. It’s never been attempted.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 17, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
they stand and cry while watching the parade
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 17, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, of course
Contrary to popular opinion, while it’s a common language that divides the US and UK, a healthy derision of the French unites us again.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'll tell this story again.
An old WWII vet that I knew growing up absolutely despised the French. He used to say “Ah, the g.d. French. They f@#% with their face and fight with their feet.”
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
That's a golden oldie saying I've heard for a LONG time.
But it’s a good one.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
I had a buddy in the navy
Was on the nimitz i believe, anyways he said there were a lot of ppl that can’t stand americans. He was in uniform with a couple of buddies and this group of french kids came up to them. None of them spoke english, but they knew they came from the carrier. One came up and said american, and did a hand gesture of a jet crashing. Although he said not all of them hated us. Found a bar ran by some guy in his 60’s he LOVED 80’s rock, had every zz top album in his juke box. The guy actually kick out a french couple that was harassing them. He said the guy told them if it wasn’t for the americans he would be speaking german.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
I always liked how Bob Kevoian described the French
“Rifledroppers”
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 16, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
the french reputation is mostly BS. the French saw
About 1.3-1.5m deaths in WWI, which would be more than american service members from 1775 until now. It was a grotesque and ugly war, fought under horrible circumstances.
The brief nature of the combat in WWII had a lot to do with the outflanking of France’s primary line of defense and the fact that the population and the military still hadn’t recovered from enormous losses 20 years earlier.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 16, 2012 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not only that but the French still had 80,000 casualties as the Germans nipped up the Maginot Line.
Still, the Vichy bullshit wasn’t right.
by openside on Feb 17, 2012 12:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
the vichy government was a whole other travesty.
If somebody wants to call the french cowards in peace, that might be more accurate than cowards in war.
They fared just as well against the wehrmacht as anybody who didn’t have the english channel or the whole atlantic or russian winters as a defense.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 17, 2012 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In fairness, though. . .
planning better defenses was a pretty easy call, and not just in hindsight. The French had the means to be a plan, provision, and mount a much better defense than antiquated Poland and Belgium did at the time. They choose not to do so for a variety of reasons.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 17, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
The french
would have built the maginot line up to the channel instead of stopping at the belgium border it might not have had a different out come but it would have lasted more than a few weeks. This is why sometimes you have to piss of your allies in order to save your self. It would have also helped if the had any sort of an air force. Also you have to blame the british a little too. They showed up just in time to be pushed back into the channel.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Those Prussians were pretty mean
there’s very little you can do to withstand such a vivid shade of blue.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 16, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think they would've done something in the month that I was pretty much out of touch.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
not worried about first base
if adams makes it fine, if not
no reason not to recycle freese/cox/carp-2 over there
plenty of options, i mean, anyone can play first base, right?
12 in 12, thank you very much
Billi Beane would agree
Washington…not so much
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Feb 16, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just got a brilliant idea for a Moneyball porno remake
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"It's incredibly hard!"
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 16, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"we're not selling jeans here!"
“so I’ll just—take them off.”
by DanUpBaby on Feb 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"My markets are incredibly inefficient, if you catch my drift."
"He probably misses his old glasses."
"Chad, I'll let you pitch underhand to me anyday"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"Hello, I'm Terrance Long."
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"It will take more than one guy to replicate the production of Jason Giambi"
Am I still doing this right?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 16, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"They call us The Big Three."
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 16, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
Scott Hatteberg: I’ve only ever played catcher.
Billy Beane: It’s not that hard, Scott. Tell him, Wash.
Ron Washington: It’s incredibly hard.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 16, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Gives a whole new meaning to
submariner.
halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup
this is the best one
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 16, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
My sentiments exactly
It’s like the DH spot , but for the NL.
someone please remind me what that cool site was that compared flight prices that was posted here a while back
eff you sbn and your search function
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
hipmunk is pretty cool
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
that's the one
thank you, rui
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
messages for os x is awesome, you guys
now I can text girlfriendup in japan for zero dollars. I realize completely that I’m being locked into their ecosystem more with each application they release, and that I’ll almost certainly have to replace my current phone with an iphone when it dies, but I love big brother.
Mine won't let me send anything
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Oh wait, waifu doesn't have iMessage yet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Whoa, this has some REALLY weird things archived
I just found a text? I think conversation between my wife and one of her friends. I have no idea why it’s archived on this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Feb 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That guy looks like Joss Whedon
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Matthew H. Leach looks like Joss Whedon? Hmmm.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ah, is that who that is? Looked familiar but I honestly wasn't sure if I was just imagining it.
Leach’s face was never prominent enough in his article for me to do the face-name recall I guess. I will always remember Bernie, Goold, and Paul Bearer because so many of those P-D article have larger pictures of them at the top.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Man, high school English class memories for the win.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Note to self:
Use phrase “dumpster fire” more often.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
he'll start out as "baby"
later on, as some of the improvements from future versions are rolled into his feature set, we’ll begin calling him mountain baby. upbaby.
we've done the gchat-to-phone thing for a long time
and even on my pre, where every chat function is completely integrated with the messages app, it felt like a kludge. don’t know how to explain it.
I mean google voice
With the integration with Sprint at least, I use the GVoice app as my main messaging app (except MMS, but who cares) on my phone. But really 90% of the time I just text from my computer because I’m too lazy to pull the phone from my pocket.
Not afraid to nitpick
Kolten Wong = baseball player
Matt Adams = some guy
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app reply actions
some guy that just so happens to be able to demolish a baseball
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Ah, interesting
This is a discussion topic at Sloan. Thoughts?
How to Cure Tanking
Encouraged by fans’ desire to cheer passionately for their favorite teams every game of the season, I respectfully propose that draft order should be determined by performance after mathematical elimination. Analysis of historical data suggests optimistic statistical methods based on functions of winning can end tanking in sports. I hypothesize that when the incentive for teams to intentionally handicap themselves is removed, the expected elimination draft order is highly correlated with the expected reverse standings. The risk of allowing a poorly performing team to lose the top draft pick is outweighed by the benefit of eliciting intense competition, inspiring fans’ interest, and preserving sports’ integrity. If a championship can be awarded based on the result of a subset of games that have injuries, variability, and inequities, then draft order can be determined with comparable dynamic mechanics. This method of holding professional franchises accountable justifiably quantifies a minimum level of success that teams must possess. The number of games awarded to earn the first pick is dependent on parity and competitive balance. With warm personal regards and best wishes for a successful conference, I am proud to submit enriching research that has the potential to initiate an era where teams make the pursuit of winning unlimited.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
How would this individual address resting players after a team has qualified for the playoffs?
The practices are birds of a feather, aren’t they?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I could get behind this in baseball but not basketball or football.
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Really?
I think putting such a system in place for baseball would be the worst of the three. Draft picks don’t immediately help a team in baseball like they do basketball and football. Therefore, there’s less of an incentive to tank.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not sure how this could feasibly work.
Some teams are eliminated in mid August, others with 4 games left. You would still end up with a system that is based of final W-L. This may also discourage the fringy, near .500 teams from attempting to win in the current season. They could game the system by staying slightly below average, being eliminated, and then playing .500 ball, which would probably get them a high pick in this system.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
yea, I don't see it either
we do this in my keeper dynasty league, but only in the playoffs (top 4 teams make the real playoffs, middle 4 compete for the 5th overall pick, bottom 4 teams compete for the 1st overall pick). If you don’t have a discrete time at which this takes affect, it doesn’t make sense, and if you do have such a time, it’s too easy to game (you just tank before the deadline).
I think relegation would be a better solution if we’re talking about things that will never happen but would be awesome.
by brackenthebox on Feb 16, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I officially propose dynamic mechanics be "dynamanics" from now to eternity.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I like Bill Simmons' idea better, especially the basketball
The “Entertaining as Hell” Tournament, where all the non-playoff teams have a single elimination tournament for the last spot in the playoffs. Not sure it would work in baseball though.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Adam Wainwright video
Per Dgoold
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DD8nqxlrYR3U%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26a&a=&feature=youtu.be&v=D8nqxlrYR3U&gl=US
by Cheeseballs on Feb 16, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
non broken link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nqxlrYR3U
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I see he's still inverting that W
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Inverted W? Josh Johnson has trouble down the line, then...
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
man that was a nice grab of the first contact off the first pitch thrown in the video
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sinead O'Connor on at work
she’s a bald priestess now
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
Did anyone else think of Sinead O'Connor
when that M.I.A. Super Bowl controversy erupted ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
i thought about her more when nicky minaj did whatever she did at the Grammy's
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
A few years ago I burned a CD
With 18 tracks, and each track was Sinead’s version of “Nothing Compares 2 U.”
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
by lunchboxbomb on Feb 16, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Her eyes in that music video are,
intoxicating..?
by openside on Feb 16, 2012 9:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it's not even close to being on the same level
imo
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t even realize it was MIA for a second to last hit was paper airplanes
by theredmonster on Feb 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Siri is not working out too well right now shit
by theredmonster on Feb 16, 2012 8:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I've been keeping her occupied in the bedroom.
by openside on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
as sinatra?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 16, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Cardinal Trivia
It’s always fun to reinforce the awesomeness of Stan Musial.
3630 hits (fourth all-time and most for a career with a single team) 1815 at home, 1815 on the road
Never ejected from a game.
General Manager of the 1967 World Series winning Cardinals.
While under contract for $13,500, passed on a 5 yr 175,000 offer to play in the Mexican League.
Three-time MVP
Of the 29 multi-MVP winners, Musial is one of 4 (along with Greenberg, Yount and Rodriguez) with a unique distinction.
Can you name that unique distinction ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions
Stan is a Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree
but I’m pretty sure the other three are not
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Won MVPs while playing
two different positions?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I knew I could could count on you or TBender.
In 1943 and 1948 he won as an outfielder. In 1946 he won as a first baseman.
100 Internet dollars to you.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone knows there's still a reasonable chance that Matt Adams never makes the majors, right?
I mean we can debate whether a 2WAR first basemen is good or not but he’s not a lock for the majors.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Feb 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HOW DARE YOU
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Feb 16, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I will always rec this picture
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Feb 16, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think so.
Same thing goes for Shelby Miller what with pitcher injuries and all…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Or basically 95% of all minor leaguers.
I really think that this goes without saying.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 16, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Agree or disagree:
The first 300 PA’s in Memphis is going to tell us a lot about Matt Adams.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I wonder what quality these are or what they look like
7:15 pm – Jun 29 vs. Pittsburgh Pirates
Adult Cardinals Jersey
AT&T and the Cardinals are giving 25,000 fans, ages 16 and older, a replica of the Cardinals home white, full button-down jersey. Make sure you have tickets to this game against the Pirates!
25,000 Fans, 16 and older
and I believe d-dee goes to these every year, correct?
Mark the calendar – 6:15 pm – Aug 18 vs. Pittsburgh Pirates
Photo Night
Fans will be allowed on the field to get up-close and personal photos of their favorite players, coaches and Fredbird. Field access is on a first-come, first-served basis. Weather permitting.
Clearly, TLR is stalking Gerald Laird
Tom Gage @Tom_Gage
Tony LaRussa to work with #Tigers in non-uniform, non-official capacity this spring – for about 2 weeks
Retweeted by Ryan Boyer
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
why is he doing this?
wasn’t he offered torre’s position or did i make that up… another question i was puzzling is maybe he just has accepted because he really wanted/wants to be the manager of the NL team and cannot if he’s filling torre’s position?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Because he's really close friends with Jim Leyland, I imagine.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
Probably this...
and he really likes Gerald Laird.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
He just wants to give Prince shit about the NLCS.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
fink probably has the correct answer although all three were contenders and on chord
and i’ll give one, want’s to stay relevant and i like TCs comment about giving prince shit
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, he could be helping the Detroit pitchers learn how to field bunts.
Because they’re gonna need some kind of help this year.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
fink, wanted to let you know, moolah on it's paypal way.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't mean to make you cry, If I'm not back again this time tomorrow...
"We will see you....Tomorrow Night"
Carry on carry on
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Farewell
to Gary (Kid) Carter. Hall of Fame catcher for the Expos, Mets, Giants and Dodgers. Dead from a brain tumor at 57.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions
goodbye Gary
I hated his guts when he was a Met, but I respected him.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 16, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve had this song in my head since I found out.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Styx ?
Lights ?
I don’t get it.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Lights was (one of) his nicknames.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Learn something new
Every Day
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW, I don't recall ever hearing him called Kid.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
He got that nickname
during his first spring training camp. He was so gung ho and eager to please and full of youthful enthusiasm. Tim Foli might have been the guy to tag him
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was a little pup then.
I don’t remember hearing it later in his career- the part that I watched.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
That sucks
The Mets-Cards rivalry was really great. Other than Howard Johnson, I pretty much have a fondness for all the Mets players from that era. Sort of the like the Cards-Astros rivalry of the mid 2000s
I've been out of the loop
but has anyone addressed that what seems to be growing towards a majority of baseball teams don’t have payroll commitments beyond 3 seasons from now?
I’d have to believe that this is either a trend towards keeping rosters younger and paying very little for wins or a coming onslaught of overpaid free agents.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 16, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions
Thing is,
there’s a lot of vested option years that he’s not counting in there. I would guess that this isn’t much different than any other 4-5 year span in baseball when looking at it from a historical perspective from the time free agency was ratified in the CBA.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Probably something to do with worries about the economy too
Although i couldnt read that article on smartphone/android app
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
a fun (but hard- at least i thought so!) baseball Sporcle quiz
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Propellerhead/mlb_mvps_last_five_by_position
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Less than half...
Didn’t even get all the Cards, forgot the 2B and the C. I’m embarrassed.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
is this thing broke
because i swear to GOBs I know the cardinals 2B and no matter how many times I type in his name, it doesn’t work
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 16, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
You might be wrong, I thought I did too, but I didn't.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
All I got to say is....
Who tf is Mort Cooper?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Walker's brother.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Killebrew
played third base ? That must have been ugly.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
72 out of 88
AL 2B and NL C really killed me…
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
OT: Fantasy Baseball
Hey guys,
I’m starting up a fantasy baseball league on Yahoo that will be a traditional head-to-head, standard scoring/stats, 12-16 teams with divisions, and possibly turning it into a keeper/dynasty league. If anyone is interested, join here
sorry I forget how to correctly format the link to open a new tab or window
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
We're up and running! Check out Jim Edmonds' B-Ref page
Don’t forget to add your personal touch to the linked page in my sig. And no, VEP, by “personal touch” I do not mean “dong grab.”
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
i cannot see it either
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe some people
have fallen behind on their dues payments
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
dues to what bref or to the fund to sponsor the link?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wuz Joke
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 16, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
no problemo
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can you see the Rheal Cormier sponsorship?
This probably won’t help, but I like pointing people to it.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
nope can't see that one either
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT!
I DEMAND THAT BASEBALL-REFERENCE FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I see it:
The Continental sponsor(s) this page.
His name is Rhéal, he’s a Hall of Famer now. Sixteen seasons of lefty pitch know-how. And when he pitched he really piled up the outs. Oh Rhéal, Rhéal a Hall of Famer without a doubt.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
You're messing up my faux outrage.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
C'est la vie
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
i've completely allowed it on my noscript and can't figure out what to unblock on adblock
but it’s probably got something to do with adblock, since it’s probably considered an ad i’m a thinkin
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe those who can't see it have a cookie that's blocking it? Or ad block?
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
no, the tyler greene one is showing up for me, but not this one.
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Awesome
Did not know his final AB was a HR.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
In Posnanski's, SI article, 3000 hits
there is an excellent picture of Brock, starting to hustle out of the batters box.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 16, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions
The Cardinals are #4 on ESPN's MLB Future Power Rankings, as ranked by Keith Law, Buster Olney, and (ugh) Jim Bowden
The Rangers are 1, followed by the Yankees, Rays, us, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Angels, D-Backs, Braves, and the Phillies round out the top 10.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions
Funny enough, while 4 of them are in the top 6, the 5th team in the AL East, the Orioles, are dead last.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bowden describes Wong as "Farmhand."
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
So... anyone else super glad that Dear Sugar came out so that they can read her next book?
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
nobody? oh well.
Leave favorite memories of Jim Edmonds here
by a fink on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Seems appropriate.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
wat
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
RIP: Gary Carter
Just saw this pop up on Yahoo!
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Late posting error
Scanned through the earlier posts too fast, didn’t see PugetSoundCardsAddict’s initial post.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
search man, search
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S BROKEN, MAN!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
meant search page not VEB ... but not in all caps :)
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
HEY RUI
I just went to see a Beatles Tribute act at the Cavern Club.
I’m just too cool.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Sweet finish on that rebound
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions
mmm sweaters
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. Don't think that was supposed to be on air.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
dooh ... was that out loud?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Pietrangelo might be a top 3 or 4 defensemen in the league right now.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 16, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions
21 pts. in last 19 games.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 16, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
He might be #1
I mean, he was touched by a wand by God, after all.
who likes walk-off home runs in the playoffs?
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19998633&c_id=mlb
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 16, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
With the automatic bat drop...
Good times. Good times.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Sort of scanned the comments. Accurate?
The knocks on Adams are that his figures are inflated due to the friendly nature of the home field and his bulk. How does Springfield compare to Memphis? Is Adams fat or just stocky. If the former, maybe he can slim down. If the latter, doesn’t seem to be so much of a problem.
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
if we define days as days that i attend classes
there are zero days until pitchers and catchers report
Memphis as a park plays pretty fair. Other parks in the PCL, especially the ones out west
are very hitter friendly.
Also, Matt is both fat and stocky (he wouldn’t ever be small even if he were skinny). He looks about 260-270lbs to me but he’s surprisingly light on his feet and runs pretty well, at least the times I’ve watched him on video.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions
should be a reply to akaitori...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Willie, as ever, my thanks for your comments and insights. If you ever come to Bangkok, beverage of choice is on me.
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
some idiot on facebook is saying that batman is more powerful than wolverine
I told him wolverine could whoop the ass of two batmen, and more
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions
Batman did do
this. Has Wolverine?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I forgot that Bruce Wayne is a baseball player now :]
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
If I had a time machine.
I would go back and re-live this night as many times as I could until the machine broke. Then, I would live back through everything until this point, when I would once again invent a time machine and do it all over again. In other words, I would become looped in awesomeness.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Read James Ellroy's The Big Nowhere to see what wolverines can do. .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
How are things going in Bangkok, they back to normal yet? or is there such a thing as normal there.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 17, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Hi, Chosun
Remember once taking my mother to market at Namdaemun. She saw a vat of turtles and figured it was a pet shop. Wrong. Was some sort of medicinal supply. The shop owner scurried out and beheaded a turtle for mom’s possible improved health. . . .
That was the normal thing to do and a perfect metaphor for normalcy here. Ever head this way?
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Trying to remember who was beginning to read Arthur C. Clarke's books
including “Childhood’s End”. mattybobo, was that you? If so, I have another suggestion, “Stand on Zanzibar”, by John Brunner. I haven’t read it in a long time, but remember being very impressed with it when I did (late ’70’s? early ’80’s?). Won the 1969 Hugo for best novel.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions
bobo may have been but I also recently started reading a bunch of his.
Will have to check that out, after CE I went to Rendezvous with Rama and am now on Rama II.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, must have been you.
I found Brunner’s work in general to be really good.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just from reading the description of it on Wikipedia I'm already in.
Though the entire chapters on woodbuilding sound a little strange.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 16, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a good read, will have to get that one.
another one I want to read is Dhalgren, by Samuel D. Delany
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I've read that one, too
Verrrry trippy. My favorite of the 3-4 things of Chip’s that I’ve read. Only, it’s Samuel R. Delaney, not D.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'll also recommend, again,
almost anything by Roger Zelazny, my favorite sci-fi author. And if you’re looking for smart social commentary in sci-fi or mainstream form, Harlon Ellison is hard to beat.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 16, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Both of those guys are good, it's been ages since I've read them, maybe next winter will have to
get into them once again. I’ve always like Piers Anthony’s, Macroscope..
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm outta here
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
god i hate being here.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
we feel the same way about you being here
by prophetjohn on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
ok I'm back now
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
feelin' the love over here.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
OMG, fang's here, you guys!
Woooooooo!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
now it's partay time
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
drinks all around! fang's buying!
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sweet, because I'm broke!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 16, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
i buy a lot of people a lot of drinks.
you guys will fit right in!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 16, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
This explains a lot
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 17, 2012 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kate Upton
Meh
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trevor Rosenthal
Meh
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by CodyG on Feb 17, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Blasphemer
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 17, 2012 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your rotation doesn't even have Jenkins!
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Traded for 4 WAR CF
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 17, 2012 7:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
She looks funny in two-piece swimsuits
and I mean sorta funny-weird, not funny-haha.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I so forgot I had ice cream sanwiches in the freezer!
by mattyfrommo on Feb 17, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
In case of October, break freezer.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Feb 17, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Dan Sz only has the Pirates left to go,
then all of the ZiPS will be out. Yay!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 17, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions
sweet! so is that the last of the projection systems to be out?
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 17, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone know of
a program that clears your hard drive? i just wanna sell my laptop and have it cleaned
by guillermozeliak on Feb 17, 2012 1:39 AM EST reply actions
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/update?v=3.10.1525&l=1033
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 17, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
ccleaner
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
oh
i got that one already…guess ive never fully used it thanks man
by guillermozeliak on Feb 17, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
If you're talking about a total hard drive wipe,
I usually use Darik’s Boot And Nuke
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 17, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Best option right here
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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