What Should St. Louis Cardinals Fans Expect from David Freese in&nbsp;2012?

by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

only need fifty more dollars!

come on, people, let’s do this.

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by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions

Ha! Just saw your sig!

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, i am using it with attribution.

i loved it when you said it and i needed a new signature now that the riot has skipped town, thank GOB.

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by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions

Thank GOB indeed.

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

you're not on mobile!

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by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

Briefly.

I had the computer out so I thought I’d head on over.

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions

Freese

I think its realistic to expect 18-22 HR and an 800-850 OPS from Freese if he gets 500ABs. The hot corner should be a plus side position for the first time since Troy Glaus’s one productive season. Even if Freese misses some time, as long as the ABs go to Greene/Descalso/Carpenter, it shouldnt be a negative for once.

On another note, why can’t we just sign Oswalt? Mozeliak keeps coming up roses playing this waiting game, but if he signs with the BoSox for the 5-7 million they are reportedly offering, then we are going to really kick ourselves. the price has already dropped significantly; at some point you must cash out Mo and take your winnings away from the table. I dont see why we cant offer him say a 5 million base salary with incentives such as 2.5 million for 20 starts and another 2.5 million for 30 starts. The protection this provides us does not need explanation.

if he doesnt get this done, VEB is going to have to write him a letter telling him how angry we are with him….

by ShannonIsn'tSober on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 AM EST reply actions

The team can't sign Oswalt because

Oswalt thinks he’s worth more than the St. Louis offer ($7.5mm) and he doesn’t want to play in Boston.

By now it’s not up to Mozeliak, it’s up to Oswalt to either readjust his expectations or go home to Mississippi.

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by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions

So, if the Yankees succeed in trading Burnett to the Pirates

will they be looking at signing Oswalt?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions

possible

but if Oswalt doesn’t want to go to Boston, why would he go to NY? I’ve also heard that the Yankees are just looking for salary relief, more than anything. Although, thats always sounds slightly ridiculous coming from New York

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by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions

I like your screen name

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

we usually write to his parents

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions

we won't get 2011 postseason freese back ever again

but, should he stay healthy for a full year, he will be good. i imagine his numbers will be similar to bill james’ projection. it was really awesome to watch the hometown kid play so well in the playoffs and become a nationally-known star because of it.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions

I don't know if you know this

but David Freese is from St. Louis!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions

i think you are confusing him with ryan howard

by kyle3776 on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions

David Freese = Ted McGinley?

His good postseason fortunes have made him a national figure, appearing on … an ill-fated sitcom.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST reply actions

My David Freese 2012 projections

in 600 PAs, I see a .311/.365/.486/.851 line.

That gives him 32 doubles, 3 triples, and 19 homers. 71 runs and 102 RBI accompany that line.

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions

That would be pretty awesome.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions

I'm guesstimating that line would be something like a 4-5 win player

Based on him putting up 2.7 fWAR in lesser playing time with a lesser batting line in 2011.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions

My estimated WAR with that line was:

~4.1

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions

That's about what I see. But is see a lower BA and more power to make a similar OPS

I think a lot of his injuries not only took away playing time but sapped his power when he was playing. If he’s healthy now he could have pretty decent power. I’m not sure what you homer number is in that prediction but I see 20 homers and a BA in the .290s

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Welcome aboard the optimism train!

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

It's even better than I expected!

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by pattimagee on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

This is about what id expect

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

This is crazily optimistic for a guy with two bad ankles.

But hey, it is what it is.

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by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions

i think thats a stretch

but i can see 32 doubles…..and for that matter all of your stats being correct

its sorta like predicting that colby character…one day he looks awesome…next day he has 5 k’s

i just dont konw what to expect for a full season of freese.. so nothing would suprise me…batting title…or hitting .265

by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

NOW I understand why we signed Linebrink...

In 2011, Freese again entered the season as the starting third baseman and again got off to a good start. However, Scott Linebrink hit Freese in the hand with a pitch and the fracture which resulted led to Freese missing 51 games.

…so Linebrink won’t be allowed to pitch to Freese this year.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions

Nice catch!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

i pointed this out Friday

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

Thought I had probably been nexdef'd

wasn’t around Fri-Sun, didn’t notice ‘til after I posted that the Linebrink signing hadn’t happened yesterday.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions

no worries, i'm just being a smart ass

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions

So that was the same rationale

as signing Jackson last year.

i.e. we needed Carp to GAF about the rest of the season.

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Feb 14, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions

Is there any evidence about luck playing a part in BABIP?

I don’t buy this over a season. Certainly in a slump or a hot streak a player can hit the ball hard with an abnormal percentage being caught or falling in, but over several hundred at bats, it must become a function of the players skill set and not luck. There are so many variables that go into season to season stats, that they are difficult to compare . I just refuse to believe it is luck.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions

Why would a player's babip fluctuate so wildly from year to year then?

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by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions

If it's not luck,

you believe that a player hits the ball exactly where he wants when he makes contact with it. Usually, it evens out over the course of a season. A lineout to third base here, a dying quail there, and a BABIP of about .300. That being said, there is still the possibility of a lucky or unlucky season. Schumaker in 2010 had a very unlucky season. Beltran in 2011 had a pretty lucky season. In 2011, I feel comfortable calling Freese’s line fairly lucky. It’s only a handful of OPS points, to be sure, but it’s still lucky.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions

...

A lineout to third base here, a dying quail there

bgh is channeling Crash Davis

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions

Crash Davis was a BABIP pioneer.

Know what the difference between hitting .250 and .300 is? It’s twenty-five hits. Twenty-five hits in 500 at-bats is fifty points, okay? There’s six months in a season, that’s about twenty-five weeks. That means if you get just one extra flare a week—just one—a gorp…you get a groundball, you get a groundball with eyes…you get a dying quail, just one more dying quail a week…and you’re in Yankee Stadium.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions

His words tell a lot about my opinion.

If you rely on a dying quail to get those 25 hits, you are relying on luck, and chances are you will not get them. If you decide to hit the ball harder by building strength, practicing, and working on which pitches you swing at, you have a much better chance of getting those 25 hits.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions

Without having hit f/x data, though, you don't have enough information to make that judgement objectively

So you regress heavily to the mean for BABIP

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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions

You can't look at BABIP by itself, imo.

You also have to look at batted ball percentages and see if a player is hitting an abnormally high amount of line drives (the best players ever can’t maintain a 25% LD rate from year to year) or whether he’s hitting a lot of ground balls that happen to be turning into hits.

Some hitters, like Ichiro, have career BABIP’s that are very high, mostly due to his speed and his ability to put the ball in play on the ground and be halfway to first before the ball passes the pitcher’s mound.

Freese squares the ball up pretty well. He hits a lot of line drives and he uses the whole field. But he’s not a great runner, and most guys who have career BABIP’s above .340 also have very good speed and beat out a lot of infield hits.

Can a hitter be “locked in” like Freese was in the postseason and have that effect his BABIP? Sure. And that’s not luck. But over a full season, these stretches tend to cancel each other out.

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by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

No player faces the same defences every year,for one reason.

With player movement, interleague schedules, and ball park variances, I can see how it can change a bunch year to year. I don’t believe a player knows where he is going to hit a single ball(this goes against modern baseball announcers), but over the course of a season, I feel it all balances out. Certainly Freese was on a hot streak during the post-season, but it was not luck. He may just have been feeling better and seeing the ball better. In the World Series, he may have been facing pitchers who pitched to him differently. I do not think he will maintain that pace next year, but he will be very good.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions

babip fluctuated a lot...

back before interleague, before player movement, and when the league had the same 8 teams and 8 stadiums every year.

Babe Ruth’s babips during his peak were 365-363-320-423-383-297-368-338

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by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

What were his drinking habits in each of those years?

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions

Stan Musial: 367-301-355-318-334-342

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by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions

Look at Pujols last year.

He posted his lowest BABIP ever, and in the games I was able to watch, I thought he expanded his strike zone on the low outside pitch. It was not luck, but the fact that he was swinging at different pitches. Naturally, I cannot reconstruct what Musial did, but it was a good comeback by you.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions

It's not solely luck.

Or, more accurately, randomness.

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

A much better word!

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions

I agree completely on not looking solely at BABIP, different players have skillets that will raise or lower BABIP and reasons other than luck that it will vary

But when you factor in things like LD%, IFFB% and how hard a player hits the ball when he makes contact, the other factor after those is luck, and I think luck plays a big part

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

On any given at bat, that plays a part.

But over a season, its better to assume that luck is not the cause.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

Something tells me you haven't looked at the body of research on this topic...

and that you can’t be persuaded to do so.

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by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions

I don't think we can quantify what percentage of responsibility any of this plays.

The chaos of the universe is unpredictable and hard to explain. Not that we’ll be deterred from trying!

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

Why is it better to assume that luck is not the cause?

We know a lot about hitters’ batted-ball profiles and how they relate to BABIP. So much that we can calculate expected BABIP (xBABIP). I did a main post on this a few weeks back. You can call it “randomness” or “luck” but there’s not question in my mind that it exists.

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by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions

It is better to assume luck is not the cause, because then you can do something about it.

You meaning the player. To hit in the majors requires a great physical state and a great mental state. If another manager or player is bothering a player, his performance will change, and we cannot calculate this. Let me be clear, I believe in most of these new calculations, but I do not believe in long term luck. (long term being the course of a season.) I also think in 5 years we will be throwing out a bunch of the current statistics, and substituting new ones.

For instance, I like WAR, but think it is not very valuable for predicting in players with less than 3 years in the majors. They are still learning too much about themselves.

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by Remember Kenny B on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions

WAR is not meant to be predictive

Also, there’s a difference between US assuming luck and players assuming luck

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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions

A season is not long-term.

I agree that, if a player gets enough PAs, the randomness or luck on his batted balls will by and large even out. I disagree with you that a season is a long enough time span for a player’s batted-ball profile to even out in a way that shows true talent.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions

but

a player’s skill level, his health, the opponents he faces, etc
all play a role in how hard he hits the ball each at bat
the probability of a player getting a hit seems positively correlated with how hard the ball is hit
there is no such thing as “luck”, only probable and improbable outcomes

i hink this is why the rays track ball speed off the bat
still searching for the best predictor of how a player is hitting, eg., compared to his weekly or monthly BA of any sort

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

If a player's plate appearance results in a positive outcome for the batter that is also improbable,

isn’t it a lucky outcome?

Mike Fast has covered a lot of this. The harder a ball is hit, the more likely it is to result a hit. That’s why line drives and ground balls are typically more likely to be a hit than a fly ball. None of this means that there is no such thing as luck on batted balls, though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions

Analyzing performance and coaching players is very different.

That is one of the many reasons why Dave Duncan is one of the two best pitching coaches of all time (Duncan then Sain then pray for rain, bitches!). He encourages pitchers to try for groundouts by attacking the strike zone low. This keeps players from racking up pitch counts and giving up walks and homers trying to be too fine and strike guys out. As we analyze though, we realize that the good stuff and command that leads to weaker contact naturally causes strikeouts more, which a pitcher can control more than his defense, and just to be sure we compare strikeouts to walks and HRs leaving us with FIP, an accurate inductor of performance but far from what Duncan encourages pitchers to do. Hitting is the same way, you have to believe that you want to be agressive at hit table strikes or balls in the strike zone when you have a two strike count and you have to be confident that you can will your way on base. We can realize analyzing that getting on base and not getting out are valuable and even if a hitter is aggressive on strikes, a good enough batting eye will allow them to walk consistently. We also can generally see when a player is outperforming his skill level due to luck, telling a player, you’re not this good you just happen to be getting lucky, would be horrible coaching. That doesn’t mean we have to force ourselves to be ignorant when analyzing.

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Curious: how do you explain Furcal's World Series performance?

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by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions

check it

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions

Meh, better than the Chris Brown one...

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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions

sigh

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

nobody remembers the lead singer of wings?

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs

this is why I hate the generation below me

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

Generation Blow Me is an apt name for them.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

ha

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions

i'm glad i'm not the only one who read it like that

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by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

I always liked Boers & Bernstein's (of 670 the Score in Chicago)

name for them. “The Generation of Suck”

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions

It's going to be very interesting to see what having cell phones and the internet

from a very young age will do to them. Probably turn them into some sort hairy vampiric jelly by the age of 26.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions

sounds delicious

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions

Is that you, Brian Wilson?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions

That guy's hair is

out of this world. The orange skin is a little freaky but probably terrestial … or maybe both this guy and John Boehner are aliens.

by jjray on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions

The primary problem with your argument here is the assumption

that “a season” is a big enough sample to even out all of the randomness associated with BABIP. It’s simply not.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions

If a player is standing in the box holding a skillet. . .

instead of a bat, then clearly luck, randomness, and BABIP are the least of his concerns.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Is this BABIB

or BAC?

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

I believe players hit the ball generally where they want to

ie. going to left field, going to right field.

I also think that some players are better at this. I bet if you set up a pitching machine to pitch a ball in the same spot every time, and pitch pujols 100 balls. Then tell him to put them down the line. He’ll do it 90 times.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions

The good ones hit the ball where it's pitched

They pull inside pitches, go up the middle with balls down the middle, and go the other way with balls outside.

Trying to pull outside pitches rarely yields hits, but always trying to go the other way is just as problematic.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions

Of course

BABIP for hitters is partially talent based, and partially luck. The talent portion might be the “put it where you want” skill, or speed, or some magic fairy dust skill that doesn’t make sense but still works

However, you can’t just ignore the large luck portion. It stands to reason that if a .350 BABIP is about 3 SD above the mean that it’s not sustainable.

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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

I agree that BABIP is not an either/or proposition.

Skill affects BABIP. So does luck. If player does not have great speed and is right-handed, it makes sense that his BABIP will regress even if he continues to hit more line drives than average. His talent is probably to be an above-average BABIP hitter. It’s a question of how far above average. Three standard deviations seems unrealitstic.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

KG of BP has his top 101 out.

Has Miller ranked a little low (10th), but finally a guy who (really) likes Tavares (22nd). Martinez, Adams, and Wong round it out from the Cards.

by johnorpheus on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions

It seems like the Cardinals are consistently getting 5-6 prospects in these top 100 lists.

This is a weird feeling. I have never seen something like this since I started seriously following baseball.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions

Except for stupid Mayo

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by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions

never heard of that brand

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by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

Goldstein said on the Up and In podcast that the Cards system

is as good right as he can ever remember it being.

by mojowo11 on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

The best part is...

It is not the same 5-6 guys making those lists. Between KG and KL, that is 8 players making the two lists of top 100 (Miller, Martinez, Tavares, Adams, Wong, Jenkins, Swaggerty, Cox), and that doesn’t include Rosenthal (which Law had just outside of his top 100). That seems to be really promising.

by Jumsy on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions

The rankings of Taveras have certainly been interesting to see.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions

Goldstein, in response to the question, "What makes Tavares so special?"

said, “His ability to control an ultra violent swing.”

Also, in the podcast the other day, he compared the violence to Bryce Harper (without comparing him to the player himself), which is about the third or fourth time I’ve heard that comparison from different scouts.

So it sounds like, while others are discounting Tavares for his swing mechanics, Goldstein is praising it and sees it as a plus.

by johnorpheus on Feb 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions

That's interesting.

I still don’t think OT’s swing is that violent. Maybe I just don’t know what I’m talking about.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions

I've seen the guy play 3 times and, I agree,

the swing never stuck me as overly “violent”.

Didn’t people say the same thing about Holliday? IMO, Holliday’s swing is much closer to something I’d consider "violent’ than Taveras’ swing.

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.

- Jackie Brown

by Tackle Box on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

I agree on Holliday's swing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

Like he's swinging an axe.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

…to slay vampires with.

(Sorry, I just saw this and was surprised by how much I want to see it.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions

Is that the Abe Lincoln teaser trailer?

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

Yes.

And it ends with a Holliday-esque ax swing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions

that looks like the stupidest, unintentionally funniest movie ever

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions

oh it's completely intentionally funny.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions

wow

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions

HFS

®

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions

Whoa! You weren't kidding!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

Very Holliday-esque.

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.

- Jackie Brown

by Tackle Box on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions

Daniel Day-Lewis has really taken a step-down of late.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

hard to top

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!

Though i did like him in Age of Innocence (My BF made me watch it!)

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions

My bad, Tavares is ranked #23, not #22.

Also, Martinez is #31, Adams is #69 and Wong #88.

by johnorpheus on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions

Man

He loves him some Dylan Bundy.

That’s a pretty big bump considering the guy has thrown exactly 0 professional innings

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

And Matt Adams is the top 1st baseman on the list

Nice!

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Goldstein on Adams:

“Plus-plus power and excellent contact ability for a player with plus-plus power.”

by johnorpheus on Feb 13, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions

Golstein did a chat regarding the top 101 prospects list.

LINK

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

*Goldstein

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

I guess I'd be more interested if I didn't follow him on Twitter

He’s kind of a dick.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions

I stopped following him on Twitter a while ago.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions

I like him.

Might say more about me than him, though.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions

I like him, too

But I’m also kind of a dick

by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

I read an article about the 2003 Tigers elsewhere on SBN

and found out just how terribly terrible they were. Any chance the 2012 Astros are worse?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions

Nah...

The 2003 Tigers could play 30 seasons before they lost that many again. Plus the Astros have a decent-ish rotation…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions

Is there anywhere i can find the stats of

or a report on the effects of pitchers giving up hits / walks in an inning, preferably league wide. E.g. Pitcher A gives up a hit to the first batter of an inning, is the next hitter more or less likely to get on base? If the pitcher gives up two consecutive hits, is the next batter more or less likely to get on base? etc.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions

These Blues players need to back off of Freese

he doesn’t have any business on the ice. (Twitter)

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions

With his ankles, I don't want to think about Freese lacing up skates and trying to play hockey...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions

I would think the skates are more supportive of his ankles

than whatever shoes he’s been wearing while playing squash with Matt Holliday.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

It didn't even register that he's been playing squash

WHAT IS HE THINKING!?!?!

Also, it’s funny because Oshie is a little over a year removed from his own ankle reconstruction

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions

what sitcom was freese on?

by LukeMP1186 on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions

nevermind

by LukeMP1186 on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions

The one where the guys dressed like girls to get jobs.

I don’t know its name. The show ran for one or two episodes and was cancelled.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions

Bosom Buddies.

by all4tookie on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions

I think I heard somewhere that Tom Hanks owns the rights to that show

and refuses to allow it to be shown in syndication.

This makes me sad.

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.

- Jackie Brown

by Tackle Box on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

i used to watchg it when it was in syndication in the 80's

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions

I seem to remember seeing it previewed

To be coming on one of the free digital channels last fall, but I’ve yet to see it broadcast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Faith_%282012_TV_series%29

by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

from what i remember it was actually funny

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

The popular, long running sitcom Work It.

It was set in Saint Louis!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions

This, I didn't want to know.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

that was in St. Louis?

I think about the only show I’ve ever know to take place in st. louis (that I can think of off hand) is the John Larroquette Show.

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.

- Jackie Brown

by Tackle Box on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions

that show had a great intro song

that’s all

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 13, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions

I guess we know your feeling on AfterMASH now.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions

Wasn't that Hannibal?

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions

I think it was a fictional town, but they'd have to come into the big city from time to time?

I don’t know. It was awful.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

According to Wikipedia

An upcoming Cedric the Entertainer sitcom will be set in St. Louis.

“On January 12, 2012, TV Land officially picked up the pilot to series, under the title Have Faith. The first season is set to have 12 episodes.”

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

Well thank heavens.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions

Someone other than...

Tyler Perry is able to make sitcoms these days?

by Jumsy on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions

I think Cedric the Entertainer

is just another one of Tyler Perry’s characters.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/CESPEDEScubaY01.shtml

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

It was set in Iowa

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

Wrong!

River Bend

Curiously, Radar’s failed spinoff (W*A*L*T*E*R) was also set here.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions

D'oh!

And incidentally, W*A*L*T*E*R may be the worst name for a sit-com of all time.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

Reminds me of D.A.R.Y.L.

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.

- Jackie Brown

by Tackle Box on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions

Lucas Tanner

Set in Webster Groves, MO. Principal filming was also in STL.

by jjray on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

Was that a High School based show starring David Hartman ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

Freese Sitcom

It was called “Deep Freese” and featured Freese as a retired-ballplayer-turned-somewhat-quirky-professor-of-psychology at a small Midwest liberal arts college. Living in a house with his out-of-work-brother Ted, a stealthily hot female sociology professor (just wait till you see her without those glasses!), and a flatulent golden retriever-German shepherd mix named “Buddy,” you better get your laughing shoes on.

Sample dialogue:

Ted: Our roommate Dr. Stephens is really great in the sack!
Dr. Freese [Trying to hide his concern, because of his secret crush]: You slept with her?
Ted: No, but she has those crazy eyes. My old girlfriend Janet had that look, and she was great in bed. Everyone with that look must be something else in between the sheets.
Dr. Freese: Nice fallacy of converse accident, brother!
Ted: Oh yeah, I think Buddy just had a fallacy of converse accident in your gym shoes!
Dr. Freese [Hands on hips, exasperated cock of the head]: Buddy!!!
[cue laughtrack]

by holden on Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs

True or False

The longer Roy Oswalt is unsigned, the more likely it is that he will end up with the Cardinals.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Feb 13, 2012 11:58 AM EST reply actions

No difference?

If a big name starter goes down a la Wainwright, I could see a previously unmentioned team swoop in…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions

Over at grantland

Keri did a little preview on the Cardinals 2012 season.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions

wat

TBrownYahoo: Source: Yoenis Cespedes has agreed to terms with the Oakland A’s.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions

Did Beane retire?

This is a very anti-sabremetric signing, if true.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

Ynoa? Seems like a very "Beane" thing to do

Whether it’s anti-sabermetric probably depends on your definition of that word.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

With Ynoa. . .

there was no sabremetric argument one way or the other, as he had no meaningful statistics to analyze.

With Cespedes, once you translate his stats, MLE-style, from Cuba to American professional baseball, you have a guy who should be in his prime without a particularly impressive statistical resume. Given the rumored asking price, publicly available stats would tell you that this is not a very efficient signing.

So any rationale for spening that kind of coin on Cespedes would have to based entirely on your scouting and not on performance analysis.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions

The translations I've seen show him to be projected as an average ML centerfielder

with greater-than-average power. Signing a guy like that for his prime years at $9mm per year doesn’t jive with your comments, IMO.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

2009 Joe Mather is Cespedes' second best comp,

according to that page. that amuses me.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions

Yoeni Bombs!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Thanks for the link

I had not yet seen it. That being said, anyone else think that an increase in EqA from a DT’d 2011 .266 to a 2012 projection of .279 looks fishy? I know that Age 27 is widely considered to be a peak year, but that strikes me a a very optimistic projection based on all numeric inputs. Replicating his .267 2011 EqZ would be somewhere between a 30th and 40th percentile projection?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions

And granted. . .

$9MM is a lot closer to good value than the numbers that had been bandied about. My comments were applicable to his rumored asking price of ~$60MM, not $36MM.

I probably still wouldn’t have signed him to $36MM if I were the A’s, FWIW.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions

sabermetrics isn't just based off of stats

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

Off of what else is it based?

Not looking good in jeans?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions

it's just based off of making objective decisions

There’s plenty of room in the sabermetric system for scouting to be used. But what sabermetrics does is attach a number to that scouting, rather than just saying “this player looks better than that one”.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions

So by that definition. . .

the old 20-80 scouting scale is also sabremetrics?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions

not neccessarily

because that doesn’t try to quantify the value of those numbers. for example, you can say that prospect A has 60 power, 70 plate discipline and 40 speed, and prospect B has 50 power, 50 plate discipline and 80 speed.

the sabermetric approach would then be, using empirical data, to quantify the relative value of one point of power vs. one point of plate discipline, and so on.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

And empirical data is stats, right?

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions

yes, but that's just to get the baseline for the scouting

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

i never said sabermetrics doesn't use stats

just that it isn’t limited to stats.

In the case of cespedes, it could be called a sabermetric signing because the type of player he is (young, high upside) is still market inefficiency.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions

some data that is objective and countable

and some that isn’t anything more than someone’s opinion translated into a number

out of these, some new numbers are made and called stats

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions

maybe he is trying something different

to see if he can win a championship or something.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions

Really?

Why anti-sabr?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed

Especially when you have lots of minor league outfielders in your organization.

I don’t think Beane’s given a major league player a $36M contract since the Eric Chavez Disaster.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions

I was convinced it was gonna be Miami

by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

...

@susanslusser #Athletics about to sign Cespedes for for four years, $36 million.

seems low, no?

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 13, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions

Compared to his rumored asking price, it might.

I don’t think there’s much evidence that any team valued Cespedes as highly as his representation did. There’s also a question of how playing winter ball affected his price tage. (I’m not saying it did at all, but it might have.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions

i haven't been following it that closely

but i had heard the $60 mil number thrown out. although, i suppose, that would probably have been for a longer deal.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions

This seems a little high to me, but in the realm of what I thought he might sign for.

Then again, I never really bought into the $60MM numbers thrown out earlier.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

I think the asking price was $50 million

I had read that winter ball exposed his inability to hit anything besides a fastball.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Just read that he'll be a FA after four years...

no likey this.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions

But I guess it makes sense...

if you have a pile of money and can’t find anyone to take it…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

In the offseason of year 3...

Beane will trade him for prospects. It seemed like he gambled to get Holliday in hopes of flipping him for something more at a later date.

by Jumsy on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions

Instead he gave up Cargo

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions

But he got Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, and Clay Mortensen!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

He's really been awful at talent evaluation for about the last 5 years

/not researched opinion

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

wait.

what the fuck?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions

3 million/year difference between the athletics and the marlins.

Just last night we heard that the Marlins were in the lead for his services after showing him around their new ballpark, and Clark Spencer of The Miami Herald reports (on Twitter) that they offered him six years and $36MM.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions

If I were a player, I'd certainly rather have my $36MM over four years than six.

It makes you wonder how many other offers Cespedes had.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions

Well, reports are that he wanted either a 4 year deal or a 10 year deal

Most teams, like the Marlins, wanted to do something in the 5 or 6 year range.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions

a ten year deal?

that seems excessive.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions

Well, kind of. If you could lock up, say, Mike Trout to a 10 year deal at like $5M AAV, would you do it?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions

There's arguably a lot more and better scouting and statistical analysis on Trout.

I’d consider it, I guess, but 10 years is a really long contract.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions

yes, but trout has also demonstrated a higher level of skill

at a higher level of play than has cespedes.

i meant a hypothetical ten year deal seemed excessive, to me, for that particular player. there are certainly some prospects i would sign to 10 year deals.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

Really?

If I were a GM, I’d much rather sign him for 4 years than 5 or 6. Why would they want to sign a player with no MLB experience for 5 or 6 years when they could sign him for less? I don’t understand.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions

Because if you're putting forth the money to sign him anyways, you obviously believe in his abilities

So you want to keep him from another FA for as long as possible, right?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah. If you are putting $40 million on the table

might as well try to stretch it for as much time as you can.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

That's a fair point.

The injury risk alone makes me leery of long contracts. I’d rather pay a bit more for a 4-year deal than sign a 6-year deal.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions

I mean, I agree with you

That’s just the rationale. It makes sense for Cespedes and it makes sense for a team like the A’s

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

I would want him signed for 6 years

Assuming I think he needs time in the minors

http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions

IF, and it's a big IF

Freese can put together 500 plate apperances this year, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to have 50 extra base hits. He really seems to stroke the ball to right-center really well. I think he can bang out 20 HR and 30 doubles if he can remain healthy. Add in some average-3b skill, a fair ability to hit lefties, and a nonexistent salary, and that’s a pretty valuable player.

My how our lineup has changed. In the past few years, we had Pujols, Holliday, and a bunch of also-rans. This year we can legitimately have 5 guys hit at least 20 home runs.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions

Agreed

I have five players with 18+ homers and four more with 11+ homers in my predictions.

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, assuming health,

my only worry is that Craig won’t get enough plate appearances to reach the 20 HR plateau. Berk, Beltran, Holliday, Freese, and Craig have plenty of power.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah...I don't figure injuries into my stats at all

EXCEPT we know Craig will be out for some time so I only have him at 400 PAs.

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

i'd like to start see him working on pulling the ball more

everyone is going to be playing him to right now & i think that could start taking a lot of double away from him

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions

Interview up over at the PD

with Dan Kantrovitz.

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions

i'm not sure if you guys know

but he’s from St. Louis!

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions

SO AM I!

I must be awesome!

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

You guys talking about Scott Bakula?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

Art Shamsky's from St. Louis!

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions

so's Dan Dierdorf!

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

you know who else is from St. Louis?

Hitler.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions

what high school?

Albert who? Nope, not familiar with the guy. Is he any good?
"It's okay, we still have Berkman."

by arthropodtodd on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Riechstag.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I thought they kicked him out

And then he transferred to Chaminazi.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

Dracula?

i thought he was from Transylvania?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions

Oy Vey!

John Goodman, DUH!

by stlfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

Who is one of the underrated actors of our time

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

Matt Damon?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions

He's gotten more recognition lately. Brad Pitt used to be my answer, but a lot of people have come around on that too

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions

Ben Affleck?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

He's on first.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions

Third base!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Someone mention Yogi Berra?

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions

Joe Garagiola says whats up & stop chewing tobacco

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions

a friend of mine lost his lower jaw to cancer from chewing

and appeared on ESPN with Joe (2004? 2005?) as part of his anti-chewing tobacco campaign

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions

yikes

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

i havent seen him in a few years now since i moved away

but they were artificially rebuilding his jaw piece by piece back then, so its probably close to being finished by now

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

ok, i was mistaken

CAUTION, the pictures in this story can be a little disturbing

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions

and heres a story with him and Garagiola

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chewing-tobacco-baseball-field-oral-cancer-survivor-dangers/story?id=10377063#.Tzm1ClEWnT4

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions

But did he go to Lafayette High School?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Home of Ike Turner

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

Derrick goold tweets the cardinals turned down 'The Franchise"

I wonder if the players didn’t want to do it? I wish they would have

by Cheeseballs on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions

man stew was too much, even for showtime.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions

The Franchise: After Dark

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions

I often wondered if the term "happy flight"

involved some questionable stewardesses.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions

i'm glad they turned it down.

plus, the marlins are basically made for reality tv, so i’m excited to see they were picked for the show.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions

The organization is much too conservative for that.

THIS IS NOT MEANT IN A POLITICAL OR MORAL WAY.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 1:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

Agreed on both counts

Nothing about the Cardinals makes me think they would ever really consider doing a show like that.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

temperament aside, it's more the kind of risk a franchise struggling to create a name for itself should take

no reason to risk ticking off your players or having something embarrassing on tv when you already have a large and dedicated following

by Robth on Feb 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions

it's savvy marketing by the marlins, i think.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

Right, that's a huge part of the Cardinals' "personality" as a franchise

They have no reason to do this and they know it. They’re already a storied baseball team, they have very loyal fanbase, etc. etc.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

Precisely.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

This is why Cardinals player refuse to wear the Majestic Official Batting Practice caps.

The caps’ spaceage fabrics and nouveau style offend the Cardinals’ sensibilities as baseball traditionalists.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

And thank god

we never have to watch our guys in solid color red jerseys during the regular season.

White at home, gray on the road, as it should be. Amen.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions

I could not agree more.

However, I will say that when virtually the entire 1987 Topps Cardinals baseball card set features players in red Spring Training uniforms, the team abandoning red Spring Training jerseys for the stated reason of tradition is a step too far, IMHO. I want v-neck red Spring Training jerseys with “STL” on them!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

There were also the mysterious navy BP jerseys

And I could swear they once had navy with yellow trim.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

I've been trying to hunt down the navy Ozzie Smith BP jersey for years.

It only seems to exist in XXL and up, though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

simple solution

eat lots of burgers

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

pies are great for packing on the lbs

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions

I vaguely remember that navy/yellow combination too.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

WHY DOES RALPH CITARELLA HAVE HIS OWN WIKIPEDIA PAGE?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions

Because of his greatness

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Which he's going to spread to Newark

http://riverviewobserver.net/2012/01/newark-bears-sign-two-new-coaches-ralph-citarella-and-ken-obie-oberkfell/

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

more importantly

who the fuck is ralph citarella?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

A man with a wikipedia page!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

Here is Willie rocking a yellow undershirt

And here is Vince wearing a mock turtleneck!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

Then Andujar is like "screw it, I'm keeping my polo on."

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

At Dodger Stadium, no less.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

Walking Underwear!!!!

:=8D

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Feb 13, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions

Favorite Vince card of all time.

I swore Topps made a mistake when I first saw this. That wasn’t what Vince looked like!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

sweet, sweet wood grain.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

I really want a granola bar for some reason ...

… a CHEWY ONE, crafted by a friendly white-haired fellow if at all possible …

by mjwalter on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions

I've got that card!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

Adam sandler?

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

yeah I heard they won't even let Motte and Berkman get married

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

Im not worried if freese can hit

Im worried if he can stay healthy

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 PM EST via Android app reply actions

At Birdland,

Goold writes up the Goldstein top 101 list and includes this morsel:

Reliever Jordan Swagerty, an intriguing arm who could see the majors this summer, does not crack the 101, though Law had him at No. 92.

Am I wrong to find it surprising that Swagerty may make his big-league debut in 2012?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions

Yes, you are wrong to be surprised. (j/k)

I’m pretty sure Goold means that Swagerty would see time out of the bullpen. And considering that he was seen as a polished college reliever at ASU (i.e, he already had an advanced breaking ball), it’s probably not surprising to see him moving so quickly.

Also, while there are a lot of other RH relief contenders (Ottavino, Fick, Reifer, etc.) I don’t see any of them as being obviously better positioned than Swagerty (other than a healthy E. Sanchez), especially if they keep Cleto as a starter.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions

I suppose Swagerty is most likely to make his MLB debut as a September callup in the bullpen.

This does seem about right.

I think Cleto is one of our most interesting prospects. I may pay closer attention to his performance this season than any other player in the minors.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions

I totally agree about Cleto, who I've really come to like as I've seen him pitch.

Moreover, it seems like much of what gets said about him has a pretty shaky basis.

The first story when we first got him was that he was a reliever. That was wrong, he’s always been a starter.

Second thing was that he only has a fastball – that’s pretty wrong, as he throws a fastball, slider, curve, and changeup. I was impressed with both his slider and change in his limited ML innings last year. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15470631&c_id=mlb (yes, that appears to be a 92 MPH changeup that makes the LH batter look silly)

There have been quite a few complaints about his control, but I think those are overblown. His BB/9’s in A+ and AA were around 3 last year, and only spiked when he jumped to AAA. His total BB/9 for last year was better than guys like Fick and Ottavino, and about the same as Sam Freeman, but Cleto has better K/9 numbers than these guys.

Last, his mechanics are good, his velocity is easy, and he was the 19th youngest player in the PCL last year (and youngest STL prospect).

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

I dunno, judging by his Brooks Baseball player card

He only throws 3 pitches (I don’t see enough difference between the slider and curveball to say that they’re definitely different), and only 2 against righties

Link

He may have been simplifying, but I’m not entirely confident he has the arsenal to be a very effective starter

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

Although. . .

a FB that you can rev to 100 MPH can paper over relatively minor flaws like a good 4th pitch.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

You have so many caveats and small samples in there, what are you trying to say?

That assuming he throws just fastball/change/slider, that’s not enough of an arsenal to be an effective starter? Especially when his fastball sits above 95?

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I mean, this guy sucked

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=60&position=P

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

can someone explain to me

what practical consequences the cessation of san jose (back) to the athletics from the giants would have in terms of finances? i assume that having san jose in its territory would help the athletics financially, but i’m not absolutely clear on how. advertising and increased media footprint, i guess?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions

Silicon Valley means a more affluent fan base

Luxury Boxes on top of luxury boxes.

It’s beautiful, Clark.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

it's not like people in san jose aren't allowed to go to a's games right now...

does getting the territory really draw a significant increase of fans to the park?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions

i english good.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

It'll be closer

And it’s not about getting new fans, necessarily. It’s about getting all those companies to buy out boxes so they can impress clients. New stadium will help a lot.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

i was under the assumption the a's would be staying put

and just adding new territory. i was trying to figure out what gains that would make. it makes a lot of sense if they’re trying to move, though.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

I was assuming a new stadium.

I have no idea if it’s going to happen.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

Don't the A's want to build a stadium

in San Jose? I think they want the rights so they can move down there.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

oh. okay.

this makes a lot more sense. thanks!

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

Ya I'm really hoping it works out

cause I live close to San Jose and I’ve always had to drive at least an hour to watch baseball. I would definitely go to a lot more A’s games.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions

This is the key to the territory dispute.

From what I remember, I think the A’s are getting little in the way of giveaways from the Oakland city government and San Jose has been more receptive. Is that about right?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure what the specifics are

but the Oakland area is definitely in decline while San Jose is on the rise and is relatively underrepresented in sports. I think it would be a great move for the A’s as most people down here are Giants fans but I think that would change if the A’s were suddenly way closer.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

who's building the new park in fremont?

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 13, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions

Not sure if this is happening

From what I remember Fremont was once brought up as a potential site but has since fallen through. I think if they build one it will be further south. We might have the A’s and Niners down here within the next few years.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

Well, it's a not inconsiderable

drive for a Silicon valley resident to go up to Oakland. And keep in mind Bay Area people spend a lot of time in traffic already … why take on even more to run up to Oakland?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions

everyone misinterpreted my question.

i was under the impression that this would be a net positive to the a’s EVEN if they didn’t move. i was trying to figure out what gains they make while staying in oakland. how does the increased territory affect the team?

i didn’t realise this was tied so closely to a possible move.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks for clarifying.

I did get a little confused by your talk about “territory,” because that word refers to broadcast rights.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions

the baseball writers on twitter were using that word

to describe the “right” to a particular geography but i don’t know in what sense the a’s or giants “own” the geography.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions

There's a map of the various territories on the internet.

To this day, I’m still not entirely sure how central Iowa is in the Cardinals’ territory. After all, the Cubs’ AAA affiliate is located in Des Moines. But we get FS Midwest on cable!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Well, they don't.

Only broadcast territories can be split up by humans. Geographical territories are the work of Mother Nature.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

ha. if only that were true.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

why do franchises swap minor league clubs?

peoria was the A ball team for the cards for a while
but now they are just another crappy cubs team.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions

Peoria will always be the Cubs' MWL affiliate

Springfield Cardinals 4EVER!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

Look who was manager of the 1st Peoria Chiefs team!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

Quad Cities River Bandits FOREVER.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

Whippersnapper.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

How dare you disrespect the 3-I League of the mid century, and, be extension

AMERICA.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

Next thing you know, you're going to say

Wally Shannon, Don Choate, and Bob Duliba never existed! HOW DARE YOU SIR.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

They used to be the Angels, too. Had Wally Joyner and everything!

(The mid-1980’s Peoria affiliates had a run of really good 1B: Joyner, Raffy, and Grace all came through!)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

There are franchise owned minor league teams

and those that are, basically, leased from another owner. If it’s mutually beneficial, they sign another contract. If not, they don’t. Palm Beach and Springfield are owned/controlled by the Cardinals. Memphis is not, though they almost were.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

thanks

I’ve been wondering about that, too. Seems like some very successful operations change affiliations, and your post suggests that those are situations where the MiLB team gets a better offer.

by baked mcbride on Feb 13, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions

Awesome SN btw.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions

OT: Someone needs to liven up this blog

Here goes: Is interest accrued on student loans deductible, even if I made no payments on those loans in a given tax year? In other words, I know interest paid on those loans would be deductible, but what about interest simply accrued?

Apologies to anyone who actually made it this far into this post.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions

Did you get a 1098 from your lender?

If not, log in to their website and look for a “documents” link.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

this

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

it says no 1098-e is available

I’m assuming because I did not make any payments this year

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

Not necessarily...

contact the lender. Mine was just made available a couple days ago.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions

Although it could be b/c you didn't pay anything...

now that I think about it I would be surprised if you could deduct interest without making a payment.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Feb 13, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions

I'm pretty sure you have

to pay that interest to deduct it. And it’s capped at $2500 per person.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions

helpful.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

Just deduct whatever you want. Nobody really checks those things.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions

not helpful.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

If anything, I think it was TOO helpful.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions

Okay, thanks. Just dedcuted the cost of all the alcohol I drank

during game 6 as a medical expense

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions

Speaking of which

Say that having cable required for my job (I need to watch sports, natch). Can I deduct that? What about internet?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions

I'll allow it.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

you continue to be a terrible judge

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions

from my (very) hazy memory of Tax class

if you’re talking about those services for your home, that would fall under the rubric of expenses related to the use of you home as a business, and would only qualify for deduction if you use them regularly and exclusively for business

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

I mean, I watch FoxSoccer a lot, which is why we bought the particular package that we did

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions

You can try to write off the additional tier.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

no.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

no, its only interest paid.

I deferred mine for 2 years and couldn’t deduct them. I finally started paying again and now i get the deduction. I wish I would have at least paid the interest. It would have save me some money on the loan, plus saved money on taxes.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

this is what I thought

but I figured it was at least worth checking into

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions

helpful.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

this.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

No

Interest accrued is not deductible until you start paying it.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 13, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions

i have a tax quesion too, how much to you have to earn per year in order to file a tax return?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions

well you have to have payed taxes to be eligible to file a tax return, first off.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

i did that last year for two months

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions

okay. well, you're eligible to file a return.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions

oh goodie

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions

If you didnt make over 5 grand or something like that you dont have to

Id do some googling though

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

i thought it was $2K?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions

like I said, don't take my word for it

do some googling. I’m not really sure, thought it was 5 off the top of the dome

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions

i just don't want to pay an accountant or file if i don't have to

was hoping an account here could help me out

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions

I am fairly positive you won't have to file

but then again, there are some easy file services that make it pretty dang easy to file.

since I fancy myself as sort of an accountant (although I have not had any schooling) I have found this for you: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch01.html#en_US_2011_publink1000170392 it appears we were both wrong, it is now almost $10k before you actually HAVE to file. but, keep in mind that when not filing income, it could cause a very slight decrease in potential social security earnings, way down the line.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

thank you very much, i'll check this out & do some more digging

i didn’t make much but i haven’t filed since 01 or 02 so i’m pretty sure when i do file the IRS is going to bend me over but good

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions

my theory is if they owe you money they don't give a shit

but if you owe them money, then yeah, they might do that

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

it probably doens't look good not having a paying job for 10+years

so i’m sure they’re going to want to do some digging & see why that was

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

what have you been doing, gdm...

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

uncle sam wants to know!

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

took care of my dad for 7+ys

then been looking for work for the last two

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions

You should file regardless of whether you're paying taxes.

In fact, you should file even if you’re declaring no income so you don’t have gaps in your filing status from year to year. This is just my opinion, but filing every year prevents you from being flagged for an audit, or so I’ve been told by people who work for the IRS.

I’d just fill out a 1040EZ from top to bottom to see whether you are exempt. If you are, you’ll get back all taxes that you paid last year into federal withholding (you’ll still pay FICA and SS however).

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions

thank you. sounds like i'm going to get flagged & audited, awesome

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions

OK, we've reached the $'s to sponsor Jim Edmonds on B-Ref.

Those of you who are donating, e-mail me. Also, head over to the fanshot to put forth a nomination for what we should say on the sponsorship.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions

I didn't donate, but I assume I have higher weight in deciding what we're going to say

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions

YOU HAVE NONE. If you want to throw in $15, you can knock ISGIGRA down to $20 and me down to $20.

Then you’ll have say.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

It must have his twitter handle

Because his twitter feed is awesome.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions

As long as VEB is being so proactive today

somebody get a new batch of VEB shirts going. My current one is fading!

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions

paging flimtotheflam.

i was actually just thinking about that. i want a chebird shirt.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions

Really

None of my personal ones have really faded at all

the universe to scale as a scrollable document.

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions

Sweet lordy

I won’t hotlink it because it’s frightening, but if you want to see what Dan McLaughlin looks like, click here

Courtesy of Sebek

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions

He REALLY wants you to buy that timeshare!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Do I get the Applebee's gift card too?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

man's that's kinda scary

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

lighting works wonders.

it takes time for your body to adjust to losing that much weight so quickly. he’s probably healthier in the second picture. the contexts of the two pictures are quite different. one’s professionally done, the other looks like a quick snapshot at a restaurant.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

I am not conviced that is the same person

holy crap

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

Almost makes me want to quit drinking

But only if I dont get a fake tan and those cheekbones

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Not so sure about the fake tan

though his shirt looks mostly white, with the color of the walls and the low light in the building I can see that being a bad white balance.

The flash catches in his eyes are even white.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

kinda looks like Judge Doom

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

what in the fuck

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions

needs to buy some new shirts

the neck looks a bit big now.

Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.

"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz

by Green Man! on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

He looks thinner now than before he put on the weight.

That’s a terrible picture, though.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions

Oh my gosh that is frightening.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions

meth is a hell of a drug

/tasteless joke

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions

AHHHHHHH

by saul wright on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions

I think I'm going to have an article written about me sometime in the next 2 weeks

BIG TIMER

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions

Make sure to humblebrag the link when it comes out.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

I was planning on straight up skipping the humble, but that might not be a bad play

“Ugh, I hate the way I came off in this national article about my job with a sports team”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

If its online wouldn't it be international article?

Don’t sell yourself short

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

swell

i on the other hand am having the crappiest day possibly in my life
if your success and my failure are connected, i will choke you to death
enjoy your article

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions

oh no! i'm sorry.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions

Sorry to hear that, d-dee =(

You’re welcome to email me if you need to vent

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions

yeah well if really want to vent you can call me or i can call you, whatever works for you ddee

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

So you guys are like George and Elaine?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Feb 13, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions

i think rui still has a full set of hair

and today i had my first cigarette since 2005
bizarro george and elaine maybe

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions

Hey! I hope your day has improved.

Do you have a pic of Jim Edmonds we could use for a fanpost about him? It’ll be linked to from his B-Red page, which we’re sponsoring.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

got your message. Thanks!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions

sorry i couldn't help

i just never got to see the guy play

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions

No problem. We'll find something. I didn't realize you'd been in the country such a short time!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions

Be sure to have them include a part about your hard scrabble life in Rolla.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

Is this the one about your mother's misadventures?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions

i was thinking maybe he won best asian justin beiber look-a-like for 2012

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

yes

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

that's no small feat, the compitiion was crazy stiff this year

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions

I have come to a conclusion

All SF writers are dicks.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM EST reply actions

Science Fiction*

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions

Been reading interviews with Terry Goodkind?

I guess that’s fantasy but I always group the two together.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

Hilariously

i’m reading a book at the moment which takes great pains to differentiate between the two.

My real problem with them, is that (as far as i’ve read thus far) most of them seem to accept that SF is not a mainstream literary genre. But by some incongruous leap of logic this makes SF somehow superior or better than other literature and by extension, SF readers hyperintelligent super beings.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

Ya it's probably an inferiority complex.

SF gets picked on a lot so they react and become pretty full of themselves.
Specifically I think they glorify the complex and challenging ideas that can make SF great. The problem is that there are not that many SF books with believable/likable characters and that is where they fail to live up to literary fiction.

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions

Inferiority Complex is the second biggest ingredient in hipster behind PBR

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

I thought the two biggest ingredients to hipsters

were deep v-neck t-shrits and fake dog tag necklaces.

halfway through it I thought, "this is a really nerdy thing I'm posting." but I just had to power through to the end.
Danup

by Eckstreem on Feb 13, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions

Good lord no, dorky glasses, Tatoos, bad over the top attempts to be clever, and obsessions with bands Noone has ever heard of

Especially if they’ve had five minutes of fame on iTunes and they have earlier albums so that they can claim to have “liked them before they were cool” all top deep v neck t shirts and I’m not familiar with the fake dog tags

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I almost forgot aviator sunglasses and unnecessary scarfs

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Also,sabremetrics.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions

why the hell did he right another sword of truth book

the series was finished up years ago. Dick. Now I have to buy another one, and I know it’s only going to be disappointing.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

I'm trying to decide if I want to ever bother reading it or not.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions

*write (my comment not yours)

yeah. It’s frustrating. I guess he just wasn’t making enough money with his other writings and had to go back to the cash cow.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions

not true

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions

you should read some the shit they spew

when discussing the subject of thier genre. This is from 1959.

“a very large proportion of what is now being offered the public as serious, contemporary-scene fiction is stuff that should not be printed, but told only privately – on a psychiatrist’s couch. The world, the human race, is now faced with very real and pressing problems. They will not be solved by introverted neurotics”

And it goes on and on…

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions

From The Science Fiction Novel Heinlein, et al.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

that's dumb

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions

Some the best commentary on real and pressing problems comes from science fiction.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions

yeah I think good sci-fi is very interesting

it’s philosophical and the writing is really psychedelic.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions

i agree with whats being said

i just think they say it in an odd way

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions

well not ALL of them are dicks

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions

Especially Philip K

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs

so, this is awesome:

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions 3 recs

pretty sweet

SIGN ROYO

by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions

Man that is nice, can't wait to vew that on my TV.. Thank you much!

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions

cool

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I liked the update (this is version 2 after all)

They put the minecraft world in there, for example.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions

It's a looooong way from neutrino to the Planck and string theory stuff.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions

does it include planet 9 from outer space?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions

I really wish I was good at the physics stuff

its absolutely fascinating.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

you shockwave document hipster.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions

Heh

I’m guilty of checking Newgrounds more than is probably healthy…

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

Redesign is awesome

a) yes or b) yes

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions

didn't see version A but daughter says version B has more stuff

So B

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

daughter says yes, includes more stuff so B

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions

i clicked a link someone put up that didn't open in new window, then my previous comments were not there, then refreshed and now they are

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions

Eh, I don't really like it

I liked actually getting a little blurb of text about the games before I try playing them. If there’s no major change in the content I don’t really care very much though. I understand that most websites feel they have to “update” their look now and again, so whatevs.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions

that's really cool

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions

I love this.

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions

Nothing quite like a patdown courtesy of a TSA agent

SIGN ROYO

by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions

i'll be getting one of those tomorrow.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

are you the one in vienna?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

not quite, but it won'e be long

SIGN ROYO

by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions

Spread your cheeks

And lift your sack

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions

Looks like we have agreed terms with two Dominican pitchers.

Andrés Serrano:

Serrano, 17, has a long-armed, projectable 6-foot-3, 190-pound frame and a fastball that scouts have said they’ve seen range anywhere from 90-95 mph. Serrano is a good athlete who also throws a curveball and a changeup, with the curveball the most advanced of his secondary offerings.

Erick Hurtado:

Hurtado, who is from Santo Domingo, is 6-foot-3, 200 pounds and threw around 86-88 mph as July 2 approached last year, but more recently he’s pitched in the high-80s and touched 90-91 mph. He’s still raw as a pitcher but he shows some feel to spin a curveball.

I don’t know about you but I do like me some more latinos in our farm.

"They just won't go away"
Bilingual Twitter

by Paulspike on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions

clank is really creepy, you guys.

watch out for him.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!

by hr on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

wat?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions

Be careful what you type. HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions

the calls are coming from inside the house! Get Out!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions

So 1997.....

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions

What did I miss?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions

I believe this is related to clank remembering that fang has a blog and mentioning it on twitter.

Not 100% sure of that, though. It could just be a general statement.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions

oh, yep. And he found the site. HAHAHA. Wish Fang a happy halloween, everyone!

HAPPY HALLOWEEN, FANG!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

https://twitter.com/#!/FortClank/status/169153156461232128

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

That website is great

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

i am il rosso and this is my post.

i like many websites. i like all kinds of websites. here are some of my favorite websites:
*vivaelbirdos
*reddit
*byliner
*google

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs

I am Commander FlimtotheFlam

This is my favorite post on VivaElBirdos

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions

hooray 100-level business classes taught by grad students.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions

I thought they didn't have those at Truman?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions

this was a one hour lab portion of a three hour class.

the other two hours were lecture taught by a professor.

there are a few 100-level, everyone-has-to-take-them sections of classes that are taught by grad students. they are very few and very far between though.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

UPDATE THIS PAGE

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

and while you're at it, update the whole thing

by hr on Feb 13, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions

just delete it.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions

Actually just delete it

It’s awful

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

you guys are all assholes.

making fun of me for something i did for a 100-level class when i was 18.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions

it's the new lunchables i guess.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions

To be fair to us, we would have made fun of you then had we known about it.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

this all started with a tweet about me hating email...

clank then finds my email on VEB, sends me about 25 emails using that account, THEN GOES TO MY SCHOOL’S WEBSITE TO FIND MY SCHOOL ADDRESS to send more email to that one. on his way to that i guess he found that page that i forgot even existed. and i don’t even know how to edit it even if i cared to.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions

they were very good emails.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs

clank, i love you.

fang, i am so sorry.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions

i love you too clank

fang, i’m not sorry, in fact i LAUGH AT YOUR MISFORTUNE. AHAHA.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs

hahaha

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions

He has time for this but not for the 19 year-old?

For shame.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions

It took 15 minutes!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions

yes?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

first email sent at 11:58

last meaningful email sent at 12:15
so, 17 minutes.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

He has time for this but not for the 19 year-old?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions

il rosso

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

dammit, azru.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions

Heh

Go lick a tiny chef statue will now be a comeback I use regularly

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

pay no attention to the ~~little man behind the …~~
man licking the statue

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions

nice

by hr on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I thought that's what you meant.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions

stupid kids & their lack of priorities

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions

clank you're a dumbass

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

well, yes.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

if you know his email, you can easily exact revenge

just saying

by hr on Feb 13, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions

I really hope he does

You never answered my question about the pet store fish, fang.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

pet store fish? What's this?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions

possibly made up account used solely for this one master plot of fang angst

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

almost certainly.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

nah

but I do have upwards of 20 email accounts

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

I would like to challenge you to a creep off

but we need to pick an appropriate target and timeframe (no cheating). They we can each post our results in a fanpost and have people vote on the winner.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions

Can I pick a name at random?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions

haha

gotta see if clank is in first but otherwise, I don’t really care who we creep on. Good chance I’ve already done so anyway.

Clank will probably beat me but I’m curious how badly.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions

Oh, I was going to get a phone book for like Raleigh, NC

and literally pick a random person, not a VEBer.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions

I think he knew that.

. Good chance I’ve already done so anyway.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions

umm

how we would fact check this?

YOU ARE A TERRIBLE ARBITER

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions

Don't let fritz be involved

he’ll screw it up

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions

find out if Y2S is still alive

first one to post details is the winner

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions

ooh, that's good.

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions

I've tried to creep on Y2S

and clearly they were someone who intended to remain anonymous from day one. Not even the other person who tries to do that (you know who you are) is as effective as Y2S.

But I also don’t pine after people. You are so needy scoot.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions

Eh, it was a tongue in cheek suggestion

but I do need more Y2S. F’n PJ

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions

PJ wasn't the only person he butt heads with.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

Being on the Andriod app

doesn’t forgive poor verb tenses.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions

Do you want me to start nitpicking your Sunday posts?

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

oh god

I want to see this fight

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

robot vs angry bird

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

Oh, I had my share of

disagreements with Y2S

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

who me

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions

yeah you

jerk

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

i don't know what you mean

i am a very polite person

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

I laughed hard enough to wake up my roommate in the other room

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

Y2S is impossible.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions

come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions

Y2S knows a lot more tricks than i do

but i try

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

You are undoubtedly better at the internet than I am

But I want to do this so much.
But nix on the Fritz random choosing. It’s hard to internet stalk someone about whom you know nothing more than a name. An age or location, at least.
But I admit defeat if it’s Y2S.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions

I have an actual suggestion

that I really want someone to help me find, but it involves getting into local politics and crosses into my personal life so I don’t think it’s appropriate.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions

I told you scoot I'm not giving your goddamn money

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions

For being as internet pseudo-creepy as I am

I’m actually not a bad one for confidences and discretion.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

he's luring

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

eh, I respect it.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

hilariously creeptastic

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions

you only just noticed that we're all assholes?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions

We made pages that looked like that when I was a sophomore in high school.

And they were shitty then, too!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

my retinas, they burn

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions

I like how useful the Top of the Page link is.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions

No joke

After closing it VEB was green for about 30 seconds

by leefyg on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

Oh that was yours...

That makes a lot more sense now.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions

Business classes taught by grad students is not a problem

Differential Equations taught by Chinese Grad student who really doesn’t speak English is a problem.

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions

oh god.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions

did you steal that page from geocities?

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 13, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Nah

Definitely Lycos or Tripod

by leefyg on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

Tyrell Jenkins tweets a lot

Waiting for him to say something really stupid

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions

Waiting?

Cause he’s spilled a ton of inappropriate personal information on his twitter account.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions

He has just said stupid things

I am waiting for something really stupid

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions

you must have missed the baby mama drama period

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions

Probably around 15 pages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SotTAs9hEM&feature=fvst

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions

yeah

I unfollowed him

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions

I'll just leave this here

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST reply actions

...AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

sorry i don’t know where that came from

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 13, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions

Who sings this?

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions

whitney houston

notsureifserious.jpg

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions

Also Dolly Parton.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 7:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

peppermartin

currently

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

josh hamilton

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

too soon

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions

Not Jennifer Hudson

by OCCardsFan on Feb 13, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions

Ray J

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions

The cure

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions

if i hear that f'ing song one more time i'm going to go postal on someone

i hated it 20yrs ago & i really f’ing hate it now

make.

it.

stop.

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions

I'm sending this comment to the government

see if you get that postal job after all

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

you wouldn't dare

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions

OT: I like this

Someone tell me something about Shearwater, since I never heard of them before today. Something I can’t find on Wiki.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions

make a very expensive flats boat

12 in 12, thank you very much

by sportsman on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions

There's something wrong with you if you still haven't given this game a chance

http://www.kongregate.com/games/Ironhidegames/kingdom-rush

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Feb 13, 2012 7:23 PM EST reply actions

You got me hooked

now I check every other day to see if anything new has come out….I HATE YOU!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions

Any new ones on there? I've been turned onto two kongregate games by VEBers, and loved both.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions

Also, I played

this a few times, somewhat enjoyable, definitely a different feel to it.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, but it took like two days to beat it. They need to make it longer or step up the difficulty or something.

But it was a pretty good game for the genre.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions

I want more levels

MOAR

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions

the bloons tower defense games are fun too

find ’em here.

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions

It's on the iPad, and IGN called it something like the first must-own iOS game of the year.

I felt like a hipster, though, that’s not unusual for me.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

David Freeze has weird sleeping habits

hat tip to RB

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions

Apparently I now have two mutual acquaintances of David Freese.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions

don't forget the little people when you start hanging out with him & the rest of the players

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions

I'd like to hang out with Berkman.

Drink a thousand beers, play some Tecmo Bowl.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions

if you want to drink that much maybe you should hang out with wade boggs

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions

I imagine hanging out with Berkman

Would be like hanging out with Harold and Kumar’s interpretation of George W Bush

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

Fun Fact of the Day

More pubic hair is shaved on this day than any other day of the year

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions

that is not a fun fact.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

this has been anouther, useless fact

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions

Well someone of us have a thirst for knowledge

So any new fact is not an useless one

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions

Animaniacs reference

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions

I wonder if this is Red Baron's plans for Valentines day

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions 6 recs

alright, flim.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

I wish more than anything any of my friends had that name. They would be getting a message from me.

by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Feb 13, 2012 7:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

are you kidding?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions

I'm glad I don't have any friends with that perverted name.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions

I know your phone can't receive pictures, otherwise you'd already have it.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions

(I know because of an incident.)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions

You promised not to speak of it.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions

please don't take a bath afterwords Red

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions

Lol

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

v-day? how about everyday?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Busch III about an hour & a half ago

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:42 PM EST reply actions 6 recs

Cubs Suck

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

LOOK, THERE'S A FLAG MISSING!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions

(things never heard at Miller Park)

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs

looks like more than one

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions

you're right! this one IS missing.

twitter

by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs

needs moar fireworks!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions

needs moar baseball!

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions

I WANT SNOW!

But not really because I want the Monday after Easter off…

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions

You’re Welcome

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions

Oh thank you...

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions

which would you buy first, a dream car or a new big ass TV?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 PM EST reply actions

a small tv, a used corolla and a bag of weed

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

probably the tv, since it's way cheaper.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions

car, probably

because my dream cars all get better mileage than my current car, and I haven’t watched a lot of TV lately.

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions

my dream cars get no where near as good gas mileage as mine

though… the telsa roadster would be much much better

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions

Fisker Karma!!!!

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions

I don't like driving fast anymore

just cheaply, in some techy way, and with the volume up. though if I could afford either of the new tesla models I’d be willing to drive quickly, cheaply, and with the volume up, as a compromise.

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

ever notice on the short distances the guy who blasts past you winds up being the car in front of you at the next

stop light or the one pulled over by the police a mile down the interstate?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions

I love when this happens

I also love playing what my brother and I call “the game.”

You’ve all seen the assholes on the highway that cut everyone off, because no one is going fast enough for them. They’ve never learned how to use a blinker, or they do a quick on/off of one while they’re still in the lane they wish to leave.

The next time you see one of these assholes in your rear view or side mirror, and there’s enough cars on the highway, speed up so they can’t pass you because you’re in line with the cars occupying the other lane. Sometimes it doesn’t work that well, but I’ve had it work about 8/10 times. The car behind you will switch to your left, then to your right, all the while screaming because nobody is going fast enough.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions

speaking of assholes

if you are in the left lane, and someone passes you on the right. You are in the wrong lane. Move over.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions

I hate that too

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

I was in the right lane, and passed a guy on my left, who was also in the right lane

about 30 years ago. Also, on the two-lane highway between Santa Fe and Taos, I was passing a guy, and all of a sudden there was an oncoming car, and my only move was to let it pass me on my left…I went into the left shoulder to avoid a head-on. Fun times….

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions

I mean I let the oncoming car pass me on my right...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions

or you're going the same speed as the car in front of you

but you like to keep a reasonable distance from the car in front of you, but the person passing on you right is just some jackass that wants to squeeze into that reasonable distance even though it’s GOD DAMN RAINING AND DARK

ahem

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions

it hate it when people pass on the right, and then another and another and you can't get over because

you are trying to get reasonable distance in front of the car you are passing before moving back over to the right lane but can’t because of the speed demons passing in the right lane

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions

negative

if you are being passed on the right, you’re breaking the law (in IL). If you get passed on the right, move over.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

wait, people still live in illinois?

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions

may be a law in Mo

Left lane is for passing. If you’re not, get into the right lane. Then you don’t have to worry about what the jackass who wants to do 80 is doing.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

it's a law here too

posted frequently along the highway, yet people still fail to understand it.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, i forgot about the midwest

where there’s an average of 3 cars in sight at any given point on the highway. in real america, we drive in the left lane because it’s the only place going almost the speed limit

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions

unless you're on I-35

then the left lane is for 80+ exclusively

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

i'm always on I-35

unless i’m on cap tex, which is generally not much better

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

oh you mean traffic hours

uh, yeah. bad idea.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, that's when i go to and leave work

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions

who am i kidding

when the left lane is moving, it’s going 12 mph

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

We just pass on the shoulder

or, if we’re in a hurry, over the top.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

you dont? oh darn

guess you don’t want this car then

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions

Dream car

Already have a 140 inch HD projector

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions

1080p?

Is the image very bright?

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 13, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

720P

Image is pretty bright. It helps though if the room is pitch black

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions

My dream car is a 2001 Honda Accord which has been paid off for the last three years.

So…. DOOR NUMBER THREE!!!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

Car

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions

a big ass

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions

This

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 13, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

i don't use the TV i have

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions

TV for sure, since I hate driving.

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions

But would you hate driving in your dream car?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't hate driving at all, since my dream car would drive it self, and be equipped with a nice tv.

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

Awesome surround sound system

by bailorg on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions

dream car

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions

one of these is my current object of obession

But there is a list of about a dozen.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions

I only see 5

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

I can post all of them...

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions

post some with their faces though

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions

this is pretty cool

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

actually that looks like a hyundai tiburon, are they making them still? thought they stopped in 2009

never mind see from file name it’s a jag, but looks a lot like a tiburon

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

it's shaped kind of like a toyota supra

but the headlights are all wrong. i used to love those cars

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

i see that but from the front wheel back looks a lot like the tiburon, especially the vent on front fender and roof line

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, you're righ

it looks bigger than that, though

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions

couldn't find a good pic but this one kind of has the right angle

front end on jag is obviously cooler, and they may not look alike at all from other angles though. and you are probably right the tiburon is a very small sports car, drove a few 5/6 speeds this summer

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions

the tiburon is no longer being made

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

i want these two desperately, they have jumped to the top of the dream car list

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions

both are awesome, i lean toward the shelby though but it's probably more expensive yes or no?

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions

no the M6 is way more, the Shelby's going to be around $50-$55K

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

Dream car

Though I will most definitely be able to afford the big ass TV sooner.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions

I'll take one '64 Falcon convertible, please.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

I like this choice

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

my pos bil is a falcon fan, he had two in high school, i never did like them, or him for that matter

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions

friend had a '65 3 on the tree 6 banger ... was a beater but we had fun with it

also got my fingers smacked by the fan blades one day, yeouch!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions

That's an ouch for sure..

Back in the mid 60’s my dad drove the a falcon station wagon that was the company car for the seed corn company he worked for. He put many, many, many miles on it.

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions

Car. I only watch baseball on tv, and tvs go obsolete pretty quickly

and besides, what tv is sexier than this

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

Can't tell what that is

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

is it a datson 210?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

1975 Honda Civic

(I cheated. URL FTW!)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

url or filename? mmmmm/ mmmm?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

Whatever.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

/was supposed to be mmmmm? mmmm? ha ha ha. you're a good kid danny

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

But I hate Fresca.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

love that movie

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

How do you measure yourself against the other members of the club?

By height.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions

I'm just playing through, you don't mind do you carl?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

Gotta be Caddyshack

without looking up the quotes.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

this is correct sir

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

want so much

but in actuality, I’d get a second generation. They look about the same, but they’re better built

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

At first I thought that was a Gremlin

Aw, yeah.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, I would definitely settle for that.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

Not a Pacer?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

I'm having car lust, you guys

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

I'd much rather go for this though:

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

can we be car friends forever

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

see i like this one

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

No joke, I'd love that one.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

yeah.

the old mini coopers are really tops. TOPS

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions

and they were the stars of the 60's version of the Italian Job.

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions

And Charlize Theron drives one in the beginning of the remake.

So want.

(Yes.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions

you had me at Charlize Theron

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions

A much better movie

Michael Caine > Marky Mark Wahlberg.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions

Yup, hands down.

It was also fun to see Benny Hill in it as well..

by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions

ugliest car ever!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions

Really? I like that.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions

Imagine driving through some nice suburban streets, reclined a bit, playing Herbie Hancock's Headhunters turned up to 11.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

i respect your taste in greenhouses on wheels

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

Terrarium, even.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks. That means a lot to me.

I respect your right to have terrible taste in automotive aesthetics; I just don’t respect your taste in automotive aesthetics.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

Sounds eerily like

I think if your clients want to sit on my shoulders and call themselves tall, they have the right to give it a try – but there’s no requirement that I enjoy sitting here listening to people lie. You have part of my attention – you have the minimum amount. The rest of my attention is back at the offices of (redacted), where my colleagues and I are doing things that no one in this room, including and especially your clients, are intellectually or creatively capable of doing… Did I adequately answer your condescending question?.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

well to be fair i don't think it has one of the larger followings of the classic car marques

but if you like it in your nutty way that’s cool

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

Wearing something like this

and smoking a pipe.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

well, duh.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

who are you

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

who dat who said who are you?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

someone with excellent taste in cars, thank you

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

i wasn't commenting on the car you posted and i didn't say anything negative about the

one i commented on here either

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

someone is a fan of Californication

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions

was an old one from early GI days, popular radio banter at night .... who dat who said who dat who said how dat, etc.

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions

either that or you're a Saints fan

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

well my memory is from 1988

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions

And you want to compete in a creepiness contest.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think I have anything to prove

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

Pacer!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

stuff a 350 c.i. in it and cools ville in 1979

t

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

do you know nothing about the sexiness of good gas mileage?

My civic regularly gets 40 mpg. FORTY

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

what has that to do with cool 70's modifications to small cards

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

my brother had a 98 hatchback that he got 48 mpg on

Love civics (though I drive an accord). My family’s house looks like a Honda lot, on account of my dad working for them. 11 Pilot, 09 Accord, 02 Accord and 00 Accord

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

My piano teacher drove one of these

As a kid, I thought it was funky. As an adult, I still think it’s funky, but in a much different way.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

now that is an awesome barracuda ... what '64?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions

'65, I think.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

no that is a cool greenhouse there!

friend had a 66 and put a 440 in it. was ridiculous

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions

my dad wrapped one of those around a tree

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions

Twice around, I reckon.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions

Honda Civic, 1970s, right?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

if you lived 20min from where those damn things are built you might hate them as much as i do

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions

I've got a nice tv, and I can't do better than the sweet ride I already have.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

that is one of the few cars made in the last 10 years that I could not possibly identify

I had to cheat and use tineye.

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

i find it very odd that you are a big car person

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions

Give him time in Colorado

he’ll become a Subaru driver.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions

i mean

i don’t mean like

i mean what i was not saying is i think

i mean i wasn’t implying that he was into BIG cars. i think it’s odd that he’s like really into cars. it just seems unexpected

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

i find it both weird & hella cool

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions

Are you calling him overweight?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions

i'm implying that he's half car half person

and they all know each other just like, well, you know

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions

i did not have to cheat, but i'm sicker than your average car guy

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions

Is it an Opel? It's pretty small on my phone.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

OPELS ARE THE GREATEST CARS EVER!!!!!!!

When I get older i’m totally restoring a ‘70 Opel GT. It’s gonna be sick.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

I admit I do need to get some sweet, sweet wood paneling on it.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

One of my friends in high school drove a wood-paneled orange station wagon

it was beautiful

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

and maybe some spinner rims too.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions

This would like a word with you

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

That... might actually be better than what I have.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

One of my mechanically-inclined friends wants to put a Corvette engine in one of these.

Will be a flying brick.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

at least you'll be safe when you hit the tree upside-down

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions

That is a Volvo, circa late '70s?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions

Yup, nicely done.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

looks like i'll be saving up for a car then if/when i get back to work

i was leaning that way already. leave it to VEB to push me in the right direction

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions

Is anyone interested in Scott Kazmir?

MLBTR says he is pitching for scouts on Wednesday. He has sucked for awhile and been hurt, but he’s only 28.

by rumors on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 PM EST reply actions

Not interested in a guy that can barely touch 80 mph now

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions

What I was thinking

He makes K-Mac look good.

Twitter
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions

he was over 90 in 2010

and he pitched 1.2 innings in 2011.

No harm in giving him a shot. He’d be a good LOOGY at least.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions

He didn't do that well in the Dominican League

if that tells you anything

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions

just ridiculous that he is only 28

wow

by RasmustheRipper on Feb 14, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions

I figure a minor league deal with an opt out clause couldn't hurt

ala Rich Hill and Paul Maholm.

by rumors on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 PM EST reply actions

reply fail

by rumors on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions

So you're saying my future husband can do well next season?

Because if not we can’t be friends.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions

this is still just the right side of creepy

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions

Barely lol

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions

You however I am not sure about.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions

hey, hey

McCutchenIsTheThruth is not creepy.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions

I was talking about being friends...

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

Hey, McCutchen. You're a law student or something? I can't remember exactly.

But it’s really important that you watch this if you’re going to continue to hang around VEB.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs

What... The...

Wait it doesn’t really matter, that is too funny.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions

4562...

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions

i would totally watch that food network show.

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions

VEB very funny

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions

i still don't get it & i've been here for forever

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions

why isn't this green?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

rec, rec, rec, rec

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions

Sure, he can do well.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions

We're still friends then...for now.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions

Technically anyone CAN do well next season

Except Corey Patterson…. He can’t do well.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions

also aaron f'in miles, joe suckston, ryan rottentoe & skippy

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions

I'm nearing my 1 year VEB anniversary! Seems like such a long time and a short time at the same time.

this may have been my first comment Very Well It was also the evening I signed up for VEL, and along with VEB, it has been very fun … really expanded my baseball knowledge about current players on the rest of MLB teams and my thinking about the game. thanks CFIC and the rest of VEL and VEB

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions

Huzzah for you. I'm taking you down this year, though.

Oh, and check out this prescient comment: in your first thread

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions

well that was prescient

It hasn’t happened yet… but we’ll see.

As much as I love Pujols, he’s never been a "favorite" of mine, exactly. I really like Holliday, I really, really like Yadi and Carp. Rasmus hasn’t got there for me yet. We’ll see…

… and

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

and re: VEL, we'll see once baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! starts

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions

thank you!

it has been quite a year. speaking of Viva El League, this is a reminder to those folks who haven’t renewed:

QC Cardhawks
Adieuordie
mikey_mac
funkee c
Death of a Wagonmaker

if you guys read this and are not interested in returning, please let me know.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

What if we read this and are interested in joining?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions

if you were not in the league last year

please write an application letter with at least two references and mail me $1000 internet dollars to the email address I have listed on my VEB avatar. but srsly, just email me and if those guys don’t return then it may be a possibility

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

Okay, check's in the mail.

/reads rest of the comment.

Ahhhhhh, man.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions

ha :)

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

Wait, I don't really know what to say in the email.

Just that I’m interested in joining VEL with my username?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

yeah, I just want to have your email on file in case people don't return

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

are you new to communications?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions

How do you "communicate?"

I’m use to sitting in a dark room in my parents’ basement, lurking on VEB.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions

sorry, yes i think he's just looking for you to send him an email and say you want to play

and a user name if your email isn’t cardinalswsbound would help i imagine

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

happy anniversay rook

there’s no way i could even guess when my first day was here or what my first comment was. i just remember i was too afraid to comment for a while when i started coming here

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions

This, I think I joined in 2009 then didn't start commenting till last year somewhat.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

thanks to you also, that's how i'm taking this comment anyway

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

thanks gdm

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions

you're welcome?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

well you said happy anniversary

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

i don't know where that ? came from

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

we'll just call it sbn'd

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 AM EST up reply actions

OT: Who's playing the Mass Effect 3 Demo tomorrow?

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions

Heck yeah! Well okay I probably won't get to actually play it, stupid school, but I'm definitely downloading it.

Those games are sick.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions

I love the series

I put a good 100 hours into Mass Effect and was really upset when my imported save to ME2 was deleted when my Xbox 360 slim console, that I had just bought, decided to have it’s hard drive fail. Thankfully, somebody told me about a save editor for ME2 on the 360 and I was able to check all the decisions I made in ME1 and then import that save into ME2 and play it again. I’ve put a good 50-60 hours into ME2 and I can’t wait for March 6th.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah same here, I'm a PS3 gamer so the first I experienced was ME2.

But I fell in love the second I started it. I’m a sucker for a good narrative and the branching, varied nature of it all sucked me in in no time. I’m so excited to see how my decisions will affect the new story. My one regret is not exploring the dialogue trees when the team members are on-ship more, the only romantic relationship I had was with Liara.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, it sucks that PS3 users really couldn't experience ME1

There was so much more to that game than a quick comic that lets you make main choices.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

My brother played through it on his Mac and said he actually liked it more than ME2.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

If it wasn't for the glitchyness and pop-ins

it would have been perfect. If you modified your pistol the right way you could have that thing rapid fire for a while before overheating, all-the-while dishing out maximum damage.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions

OT: Need to raise the VEB gift-giving assist signal one last time, at least until April.

It’s been suggested that I create a CD of the songs that make me think of her… Yay or nay?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions

CD?

I believe I’ve seen ancient cave writings of these things you call a CD.

But in all seriousness, in order to give you a good answer, how long have you two been seeing eachother?

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions

We're not truly "dating" in the traditional sense

But we have been talking daily for great lengths of time for about a year now.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

Seriously?

She probably just wants you to ball up and ask her out or Valentine’s day

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

For not or

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

That's not really the problem, we both want to go out but I have to meet her parents before we can go out.

That actually is kinda my plan, though, cause I’ll go drop off the flowers and chocolate at her house and hopefully her parents are home so I could meet them then.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

What the crap

Are you 50

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

I'm unsure what you mean by this...

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

Oh, that's a very old fashioned thing to do, which I actually respect

Therefore I made fun of you for it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

hipster

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I'm generally against old-fashioned stuff like this.

But this girl is worth it.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

classic rui logic

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

I was lucky in that parents always loved me

even the dads and one girl’s stepdad. I was scared to death of this girl’s stepdad (picture Ben Stiller from Happy Gilmore but with muscles, a deeper voice and a constant I’ll kill you look) but he told me that I was the only guy she ever dated that was worth a shit and I wasn’t a fuckup. He was also a huge cardinals fan and it’d piss my girlfriend off when her stepdad and I would be arguing about transactions, plays, etc. You know the parents think highly of you when they walk in on you and their daughter and ask you next time to make sure the door is locked.

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions

that's is the perfect time for a mixtape

by DanUpBaby on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

welcome to the friendszone

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions

destination loserville

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

/single tear.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions

conveniently located next to palmdale

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

yeah palmdale the one with that mall that has a Chilis

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions

I never minded the friendzone until it got too confusing.

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

I've always liked the friend ladder metaphor better than the friend zone one.

It’s always seemed easier to get off the ladder than out of the zone.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions

The problem is

That too many guys think it is a friend escalator. Eventually stay on it and it will take you to the top

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions

No way

You gotta do some work to get away from it.

Unless you’re Brad Pitt.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions

you guys don't actually think this a real thing, right?

it’s called, “platonic friends”
it happens. so you like her? that sucks. she doesn’t like you. you are friends. it happens.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions

But wouldn't she not being interested in you, and therefore friends.

Mean you are in the so-called “friend zone.”

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions

accept she doesn't like you and move on

when she said, oh hey, let’s be friends! she was being honest.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, that's what I would do, if that's what she said.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

Men and Women can't be friends

It eventually always gets awkward. Actually the only women you can be friends with is the ones you already had sex with.

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions

only way men & women can be friends is if the guy isn't attracted to her

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions

this holds true in most cases

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions

women can get friendzoned also

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions

they can move on a lot easier than men

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

Are you saying ugly women have less emotional attachments

Than friendzoned men? Interesting

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions

women have the ability to be a lot colder than men

sure they can get hung up on a guy, but yes for the most part they can detach their feelings a lot quicker on a guy who doesn’t return their feelings.

unless they’re crazy, then everything is thrown out the window. including your stuff

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions

or perhaps we could just refrain from generalizing about entire genders?

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

lazy conversation is lazy

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions

i don't think i'm generalizing

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions

You are

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions

you are

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions

just think of how varied the world is

and then think how you are basically saying half the population is a certain way… which doesn’t make sense.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions

Listen to this dame

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions

Dames are always right

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions

Hahaha

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

What the fuck.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions

and if it does i never speak to her again

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

How do you get down a ladder

You either slowly climb back down or fall off resulting in terrible injury

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions

dude you have to ask her out officially soon.

you’re giving her chocolates and a mixtape of songs that make you think of her, so it’s got to be clear that you’re at least a little serious.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions

It is, we've actually talked about it and I'll just say that she knows how I feel, and I know how she feels.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

then WTH are you waiting for? it's time to see how each other feels under the sheets

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

note to CWB:

your pace seems to be working fine thus far.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

he's been trying for over a year right?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

A mixtape is always a good idea...

if it has plenty of Marvin Gaye on it.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

No

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

Mixtapes have always been and will always be classic.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions

I tend to agree but

they are very hit or miss. can be very endearing or can be seen as being a little creepy. but that might work in your favor either way…

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions

For example

I’d probably avoid a mixtape featuring “Every Breath You Take.”

By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. - George Carlin

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

however, the Toadies' "Tyler" is always a hit for prospective relationships

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions

Toadies and Social D

playing in apirl

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

I haven't heard anything of theirs since the reunion

is it any good?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions

not as good as rubberneck IMO

but worth a listen.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions

Is it wrong for me to want the Jayhawks to get slammed by the Wildcats?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions

I wouldn't sweat it at this point

I can’t believe Mizzou got smoked by this team. KSU appears to be good at nothing.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions

Last I looked it was a 2-point game in the second half

Now it’s tied.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions

YOU SHUSH YOUR MOUTH K-STATE HAS NO BUSINESS IN THIS GAME

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions

Well, then they were up by 1

and now they’re down by 10, so I guess you’re right.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

The reverse jinx failed

K-State’s offense is far too terrible

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions

it that was wrong, i don't wanna be right

although i was rooting for a meteor

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

Valentine seems to be trying to come off like he's just invented "small ball" in his interview with costas

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions

He did....

Wait you mean he isn’t an all-knowing GOB? I’VE BEEN LIED TO!!!!!!!!!!11

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions

I've also heard he's big in Japan

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions

Goldstein's top 101 list broken down by team - look at Padres

AL EAST
Toronto – 5
Boston – 4
New York Yankees – 4
Baltimore – 3
Tampa – 2
TOTAL: 18

AL CENTRAL
Kansas City – 5
Minnesota – 3
Detroit – 2
Chicago – 1
Cleveland – 1
TOTAL: 12

AL WEST
Oakland – 7
Texas – 5
Seattle – 4
Los Angeles – 2
TOTAL: 18

NL EAST
Atlanta – 3
New York – 3
Washington – 3
Florida – 2
Philadelphia – 2
TOTAL: 13

NL CENTRAL
Pittsburgh – 6
St. Louis – 5
Chicago – 3
Houston – 3
Cincinnati – 2
Milwaukee – 1
TOTAL: 20

NL WEST
San Diego – 10
Colorado – 5
Arizona – 3
Los Angeles – 1
San Francisco – 1
TOTAL: 20

Just win

by The Duke on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions

Milwaukee.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

Keith Law posted his top 20 impact prospects for 2012, and we don't have one in there.

Which is actually fair, though how many will we have next year? 2? 3?

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions

IMPACT? Probably none

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions

Shelby?

by Robth on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions

If Shelby's playing, then we're probably in pretty bad shape anyways

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions

In 2013?

That’s about when he should arrive. I think we’re answering different questions; read what cardinalswsbound said again.

by Robth on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions

Oh. It was a stupid question. He should ask his girlfriend's dad about it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

you know what's stupid?

your face.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions

You know what? Maybe I will.

Except he is really intimidating, I’ve seen him before, I guess he used to wrestle and he looks the part, got about a half a foot and maybe 50 lbs. on me. And I’m a bigger dude, so I’m not used to that.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

or Westbrook just sucks

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

Crown Royal isn't bad. I got some from my father-in-law for Christmas. Not bad at all.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions

Definitely better than Jack or Jim.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions

oh hell yeah

try crown royal black, that stuff is really good imo.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed on CR Black.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions

I'll keep my eyes open for it.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

Might burn a little trying it that way.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 3 recs

There are other things he could keep open for it

that would burn more

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/brianjfenwick/Jim_.jpg

by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

keep your sick bedroom antics to yourself man

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

tehzachatak has a .pdf for you

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions

flagged for being a dick

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions

fixed your post

flagged for being ~~a dick~~ helpful

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

the itching was pleasurable itching

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

family blog, tehzachatak.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

hey guys,

i have a flag attached to my dick. is there a cream i can use?

rui jokes about my avatar

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions

you mean that one there on the right of the man waving a long red flag?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 14, 2012 6:20 AM EST up reply actions

It disinfects!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions

Most stuff

here is better than Jim.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions

I got Royal Crown for my birthday

40 years ago.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

I need a good, legal-to-use pic of Jim Edmonds to put up on a fanpost.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions

maybe d-dee has one?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

ooh, good thought.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

This ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions

Or maybe this ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I like that. Is it common use?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

No, that's called

SELLING IT.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions

I don't know if it is common use or not

I got it from a site called photobucket. This is the URL

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

photobucket could be anything.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

try this

link
they’re ap images so ask the guy what the deal is with the gallery and if you could use one for your purposes

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions

Ah, great.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions

winrar

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

i saw edmonds take an adam dunn

homer away dead center live…thats gotta be up there in one of the most amazing things ive seen

but this pic doesnt look like the one thoguh

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions

here's two good ones

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

One of these days I'm going to show up unannounced at VEB day

and not tell you which poster I am. It’ll be a fun game!
Except now I’ve ruined it.
rats

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions

Gotta go with the long troll

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

You've said this before. I think you really WANT to tell us your name. It's ok, buddy. Go ahead.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions

no way, it's definitely more fun this way.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

I know two people who live in Austin, and I have your address. I briefly considered sending one of them to your mailbox to get your first name.

But I didn’t and won’t. I’ll figure it out one of these days.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions

I have no idea how that would work.

My mailbox is locked.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

I'll never know.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

I know two people who live in Austin, and I have your address. I briefly considered sending one of them to your mailbox to get your first name.

But I didn’t and won’t. I’ll figure it out one of these days.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions

So you know 4 people in Austin?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions

Actually... yeah. 5, including a 2 year-old.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

(yes, I know it was a double-post joke)

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

Actually

Liam already brings a guy that doesn’t follow VEB at all but still shows up for all the VEB days

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2012/02/11/astros’-sig-mejdal-to-utilize-diamond-data-in-projection-game/

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions

Generalissimo Roy Edward Oswalt valiantly continuing his struggle to remain unsigned.

Royals GM Dayton Moore explained to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star that he has passed on available starting pitchers this offseason because he wants to see what his young pitchers can do at the Major League level. Moore said he doesn’t think the Royals’ offseason plan would have changed much if they had known from the start that Oswalt and Edwin Jackson would end up signing one-year deals.

Rangers senior director of player development Tim Purpura said adding Oswalt to a pitching staff that already includes six starters wouldn’t be easy, according to Bryan Dolgin of ESPNDallas.com.

The Reds haven’t been in touch with Oswalt’s agents in the past week and GM Walt Jocketty thinks the right-hander is waiting for the Rangers to create room for him on their payroll.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions

Article about Sig Mejdal in H-town

by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions

who

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions

ethnic luhnow

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions

use this site to post your favorite songs of all time

tinysong.com

http://tinysong.com/Wseb

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions

no

Van Morrison-Astral Weeks
Flaming Lips-Race for the Prize
Neutral Milk Hotel-In an Aeroplane Over the Sea
Pharoah Sanders-Love is Everywhere
One more hip track for cool kids

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions

on

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions

I don't know how.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

well, the site is pretty self explanatory

there is one search field, you type in the band and song name. that’s about all there is to know. it is tinysong.com

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

oh

there’s one other part: right click on the song’s url, and then copy link address

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions

ok, then how do I add it?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

just paste the link

search for the song, hit share, then right click on the link, copy link address, then paste here

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions

paste where?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

plus, van morrison isn't on there. What sort of shoddy place is this?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

facepalm

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

I found an unofficial version. OK. I got 4 songs for you.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

it seems fink thinks from your comment he can post songs and and add to the site and you are telling him to find songs there and post them here

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

oh, you want them here?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions

that was the idea for the thread anyway

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions

glad to help was getting painful :)

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure if I was being trolled or if he was being serious!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions

You're the troll, troll!

I thought I could put them directly into some sort of playlist there.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

it's so funny!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

was thinking that you could just post one heh

but that’s cool. I’m no troll, PJ is the troll!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

Here:

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions

cool

I now listening to a fink mini playlist

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

I can't you believe you like In an Aeroplane Over the Sea

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

why?

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions

I cannot you, you believe like, in an airplane. over the sea!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions

nevermind

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions

You gotta elaborate.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions

i just dislike that song immensely

shouldn’t have made the original comment, subjective tatses etc..

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions

I remember when that album came out. I head it for the first time in '99. Possibly life-changing. Literally.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions

why do you like it so much?

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

Hm...Good question, and hard to answer, but I'll give it a shot.

The easiest answer for me is that it seems to be spiritual in a way that very little pop/rock is. It’s almost like he’s speaking in tongues (the Van Morrison track is similar to me, btw). It’s transcendental.

A better answer to someone who doesn’t also love the song is that I love the propulsion of it, the lyrics, and the fuzzy-wuzzy sound.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

The lyrics are really good actually

But lyrics rarely make a song for me without a good melody or delivery. I also like the instrumentation that comes it towards the end.

What I really dislike is the chord progression, which is just the same stupid one used in every like every pop song in the 50s, and the strum pattern. And his voice is really grating to me. Really loud and off tune.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

I can't put this any more bluntly:

If you get into jazz or classical almost all rock/pop chord progressions are as dull as a dishwater.

I definitely get the voice complaint. It can be gotten past and even embraced.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions

totally agreed

jazz and classical are not easy to get into. it took me at least 5 years or so to get into jazz.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

I completely disagree

The quality of the chord progression is extremely important to how good a song is. They might not be interesting theoretical, but there’s a hell of a lot of a difference within just the basic 24 scales.

You can have a good song with a generic chord progression, but it’s really hard to have a good song with a bad chord progression.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

but you basically said it was bad because it was generic

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions

sorry, I phrased that wrong

a chord progression can be generic and good and it can be generic and bad.

But I suppose I have defined what a good progression is. I’ll give some examples:

Green is the Colour – pink floyd
Ibiza Bar – pink floyd (really anything of More)
Pennyroyal tea – nirvana
Hey Joe

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions

ok,

now what makes it good?

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions

Green is the Colour

has those two parallel switches in it (G – Bm followed by C – Em), and that’s probably my favorite simple chord switch. Also the whole song is perfectly in the scale Em/Gmajor.

Cirrus Minor keeps the root note descending in the Em scale, but changes the higher notes, which I suppose makes it theoretically interesting. But it also just sounds really eerie.

Pennyroyal Tea is in Phyrgian which is why it’s so dark. And Hey Joe uses that 5-0 switch, which is really harmonic, five times in row. Which I guess is cool.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions

ok

so when you get down to it, you like how the progressions sound, right?

And do you like those Blues and Mo-Town progressions? Of course you do. There’s a reason they’re classic.
So what you dislike about NMH is not the progressions, but that the progressions are stale.

And what I’m saying is that using the Phrygian mode is ALSO stale. It’s the basis for a lot of jazz suspended chords. check it!

So I don’t care if it’s stale or not. I don’t care if it’s complex or not. I care that it sounds good, and those old basic building blocks can still sound marvelous when the song-writing is good.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions

I gotta sleep. We can continue at a later late-night if you want. G'night!

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions

night

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions

Not neccesarily

There’s a difference between generic switches (such as the ones in hey joe) and generic progressions that make up the entire song (such as the NMH one). The NMH one sounds very formulaic, and on top of that the progression isn’t a very good one. I do like other songs built off formulaic progressions, but those progressions sound a lot nice IMO.

Phrygian is pretty rare in rock music, so that’s kind of a false leap. Only bands of the top of my head that use it often are Pink Floyd and Nirvana (and they don’t use true phyrgian, they usually have a major 1).

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions

-I think you're choosing 1 single element of the song,

saying it’s not original, and saying you don’t like the whole song because of it.
-I think this is partly because you’re in a band right now and are probably really interested in chord progressions at the moment.
-I think NMH is highly original in a number of elements (instrumentation, melody, lyrics, hard to pin-down emotive qualities).
-I think it’s perfectly ok to not like NMH.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions

-the worst part for me is the singing

and the way the chords are played. the fact that its the same exact progression that’s been used for the past 60 years in every bland surf-pop song was just something more objective i could say about it. The real problem I have with the chords and the song is that though the lyrics are very mystical, the song around it is so bland and poppy.
-That might be true. But I think you might also be underestimating the importance of the chord progression in this case. There are many ways to write a song that don’t rely on them, but in the case of IAOTS, that’s the entire structure. The other instrumentation only comes in halfway through and it’s in the background. I think the point of many NMH songs is to have a pretty bare sound, but that means that you are exposing the chord progressions and the vocal melody (which is usually, and definitely in this case, based around the chords).
-it’s fine if you like NMH. There was no point to me ripping them to someone who likes them. Music is way to subjective to really have a productive discussion about it.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not exactly sure what you're disagreeing with.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions

STRAWMAN, FINK

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions

you seem to be apply that there is little range in the quality of chord progression

which I disagree with. I’m say theoretical interesting doesn’t have much to do with good.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions

oh, I certainly agree with the latter.

That’s why I can like Neutral Milk Hotel.

But it sounded like you were arguing against this—you gave as a primary reason for not liking IAOTS that its chord progression was stale. Well, I like the Temptations too.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions

i don't like the chord progression because it sounds really boring to me

the fact that it’s also really recycled is also bad because it means that it doesn’t take any originality.

Try writing a song with that chord progression, or the pop chord progression (E – B – C#m – A). It’s really easy to fit a good melody over, but that doesn’t mean you should do so because it’s been done so many times.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions

ok. It also has crazy interesting instrumentation, some unusual harmony,

& marvelous lyrics.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

so do I!

Also, once when playing ITAOTS, a male coworker said, “What a bad singer. He should go on American Idol.”

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions

try to listen to some non-western music to find out what he is talking about

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions

I know what he's talking about

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions

it seems that you are coming from a very western standpoint on music quality

is all I was thinking. try to also incorporate analysis of timbre and timings, and atonal qualities, along with the emotions affected by certain chord progressions, for a more well-rounded listening experience.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, i really only like western music

I’m feeling like I’m coming off as only interested in songs with good progressions, when that’s not really the case.

The NMH one is just particuarly offending because the chord progression is bland (which doesn’t have to doom a song) and its been used in that exact same way so many times before.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions

the thing that usually puts me off is what you just said

when a song sounds much like a bunch of other songs

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions

there's kind of an interesting paradox there

because I find that my favorite songs are ones that sound like something, but not something I’ve heard before.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, I know what you mean

it has to have its own intuitive logic, which is mostly just the artist’s chosen palette of sounds, and their arrangements. I tend to like riskier arrangements than the average listener. but a good balance is needed to pull off those weirder compositions. but, at times (as in the track I posted initially for this music thread) I love that familiar song feeling.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions

i really like songs that remind me of something classical

or medieval. Like Atom Heart Mother.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions

agreed

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions

thirded

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

me and chitown are gonna fight you

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

to me, one of the most overrated albums of all time

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

huh.

give me your favourite non-metal album.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

super hard decision for me

since I have a ton of favorite non-metal albums. I’m assuming you mean non-prog rock as well… hmmm. Autechre – Confield is right up there.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions

okay, i'm a song and a half in.

i feel like this would be better with people and drugs.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

I like it for headphone music

or for with people

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions

that seems contradictory

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

just saying I like it so much that I could listen to it whenever

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions

okay i am slowly losing all

spatial awareness. i find this uncomfortable.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, it's like from some distant future with extra dimensional consciousness

or something. it is a very difficult first listen. in fact I didn’t like that album until I heard it like 30 times. it’s a grower.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions

you are more patient than me.

i think i have about a ten listen limit before i decided whether or not i like something.

i will make it through this album, though! perhaps i shall enjoy it!

it sort of sounds like robot dance music. and it’s really cool if i imagine robots dancing to it in my head.

which is why i said it would be good on drugs.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

as for non metal/prog/idm

my favorite album is Loveless by MBV

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

that Autechre album is good, but i like Amber and LP5 more

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions

not into their older stuff

LP5 is the first album of their’s I liked

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions

you ever listen to Herbert? i guess that might be housier than some of the electronic i know you like

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

I think I may have heard them

I like the weirder stuff, like autechre, aphex, amon tobin, etc. recently discovered richard devine, that’s good stuff as well.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

i don't know Richard Devine

but yeah we had a conversation about that on twitter a while back.. Autechre, Aphex Twin, Amon Tobin, and Boards of Canada pretty much shape my liking for electronic stuff

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions

I really like Aphex Twin.

Ambient 1 and 2 are about all I still listen to nowadays though

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

richard d james album is fantastic

as is drukqs

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I like both of them. Just don't ever feel like listening lately

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, I guess the beats are pretty intense

although, check out yellow calx again… my fave track of his maybe. there is some stuff on druqks I’m still trying to absorb though, it’s a real challenger.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

I also really like parts of mixes for cash.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

oh yeah!

there is some really good stuff on there. just have to wade through the weirder things that he was obviously mixing for, cash.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions

Richard D. James album is the most easily accessible for me

i have to be more in the right mindspace for the ambient albums or Druqks

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

I Care Because You Do is also really good

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

looking at my last.fm page

only 3 out of my top 10 are metal bands

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

and one of those is more of a punk/experimental hybrid the melvins

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

spams link to own last.fm

last.fm

YO IF YA WANNA STALK MY MUSIC TASTES CLICK UP

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

kazushi?

that complicates clank’s stalking, using different usernames.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

he's already last.fm friends with me, i'm sure he's searched that username all over the net too

i have several others i don’t think he’s discovered yet though, one of them is very well isolated from everything else.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

gee whiz

I’ve never even tried to stalk you, yet.
but don’t underestimate me.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions

nah, we're already last.fm friends

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

clank you really like that one Flying Lotus album huh, i should check that out

but i mostly approve of your top albums. that Avalanches album is so amazing

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions

oh hell yes that album is so good

My top album list is deceptive. The Flying Lotus album is good, but not even in my top 20.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions

I meant the Avalanches album is so good

and oh man, that list is way off. My top five albums are probably
ITAOTS, slanted and enchanted, doolittle, velvet underground and nico, and you’re a woman I’m a machine
okay, that’s a rough guesstimate. I don’t really know, but it’s not that.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions

yeah the albums list is really crappy

it’s why it’s not an advertised feature, you have to find it- it depends on really good tagging and shit. mine is pretty much entirely accurate, i think, in terms of plays, but it doesn’t reflect what is actually my favorite album that well- although the top 10 probably has most of my favorite 5 albums.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions

...

Aeroplane, You Forgot It In People, Bricolage, Music Has a Right to Children and probably something else random i can’t think of

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions

I have listened to 3 of those 4 in the last 2 days

weird.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions

(also everyone disregard dispatch being anywhere near there, i had bad music taste at one point in my life too)

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions

no, man!

dispatch has that one song…um…

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions

nice!

on the bassnectar remix of ellie goulding…gotta d/l that one

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions

great track

i like pop music too, and that’s about as good as it gets right now, imo.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions

if i join last.fm do i

get the full version?…im just a fan of straight torrents

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions

i don't know, i don't get my music from last.fm.. i often get it similarly.

see my last.fm groups…

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, I only use it to track and chart what I listen to

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions

i mean the ellie goulding

is only a 30sec preview…so i was curious if i signed up i would get the full track

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions

http://soundcloud.com/bassnectar/ellie-goulding-lights-bassnectar-remix

i only use lastfm to scrobble what i listen to.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions

oh

seems like the consensus…thanks for the soundcloud info too

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

btw,

my profile pic on last.fm is an actual picture from an actual flaming lips show (at bonnaroo ’07) i went to.

still by far the best picture i have taken in my life.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

i missed my bonnaroo

chances in college

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions

Heh. Sweet.

The Lips are my favorite live band ever.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions

yeah that concert was pretty hard to top

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions

looks like a pic

that would go on fark.com for “photoshop this”

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions

quadrupled.

It’s been my favorite album for half of my life.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

well, that and Slanted and Enchanted

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

That's terrific too.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

now, i really hate pavement

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

it's one of the things that makes people who like the kind of music i like not like me anymore

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

how is that even possible

favorite band of all time.

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by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

i don't understand why people like pavement or think it's good music

i really don’t. i have a vague liking for the track “Silence Kit” from Crooked Rain, and that’s it.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

gold soundz is my favorite track.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions

*Silence Kid

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions

it's a common error

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

dang it where's VEP when I need him

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions

I'm here clank

Wowee Zowie is crazy good album. Grounded is like my favorite song since Nirvana.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

Grounded is my second favorite.

It’s amazing.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

I love the slide on Father to a Sister of Thought also

Malkmus is a really good guitarist.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

that being said, like 90% of my favorite bands list pavement as an influence, so i guess they did something right

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

eh, I know many people who didn't like them initially

or even for quite some time, who eventually end up loving them. I think a lot of people don’t care for them at first.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions

i have tried to enjoy pavement for going on 6 years now

failed every time

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

they are a meh band for me

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

well I hate every band you like

so there

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

untrue

we had a godspeed bonding moment on twitter just the other night bruh. do i need to bust out my Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada vinyl again???

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

(it was a joke)

this is the first strong musical disagreement we’ve had

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

i just wanted to talk about godspeed more dude

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

They started modern quick indie-pop

which I hate them for.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

Beat Happening

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

hmm, listening now.. good call

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions

You Turn Me On is a stone-cold classic album.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

I like this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0wDo3pQ7MQ

those are the type of songs, along with some stuff by modest mouse, dinosaur junior, pavement that make me really like indie rock.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

dino jr is a great band

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, great song. That, the title track, and Tiger Trap

are the backbone of that album.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

Tiger Trap might be the pinnacle of early lo-fi

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

see that one kind of annoyed me

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions

Calvin Johnson's voice?

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions

a little bit, but i didn't like the melody

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions

i still

follow steve malkmus’ new tunes but nothing special imo…he put on a good show i saw

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions

I really like Malkmus' solo stuff

It sounds classic rocky at times. This is a really cool song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvRTO-Sfjo

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

Pavement is waaayy better than Neutral Milk Hotel

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

this is why we have different opinions

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions

in my experience,

whether or not someone likes neutral milk hotel how they initially experienced the album.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions

So I take it you guys were all having sex when you first heard it?

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions

no, it's not that shallow.

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

yes.

with each other.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions

but, no.

i meant i listened to it for the first time sometime in 2000. it was not hyped to me in any way. i listened through it. and then again.

and it, to borrow a trite expression, blew my mind.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

when i first found it it was probably, i don't know, 2004, and i was like 14 or 15, and i listened to basically nothing else for 3 weeks

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, i meant sometime

in the early 2000s.

sbn/my clumsiness.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

yeah

I listened to it for the first time well after it came out, as one of a number of albums a friend had given me; didn’t know anything about it. Listened to it basically on repeat for several weeks.

by Robth on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, it's also

one of those albums that must be listened to as an album, i find.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions

YES.

I can’t think of a better example. Except maybe Abbey Road, for obvious reasons. Even then, maybe,

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

all right I'll play this game

first time was at a high school pop show I was dragged to in 2002
my high school crush played April 8th
and it was over and done at that moment

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

I heard it in 1999 and really liked it, but forgot about it.

I picked it up again in 2003 or so and it helped me through a rough patch.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions

I was in a MU dorm. My buddy, also named Aaron, put it on for me.

It wasn’t right when it came out as I said above. It was a year later in 99. I told him it reminded me of the Beach Boys somehow.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions

HEY DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE BEATLES, RUI'S IN THIS THREAD NOW

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

I will not apologize for having incredibly mainstream tastes in music

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions

it's ok we both like Kelly Clarkson

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

Fuck yes we do

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions

Are you familiar with Van Morrison's Astral Weeks?

It’s the most similar album to Aeroplane for my money.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

not at all.

it’s nowhere near the quality of ITAOTS, but The Rural Alberta Advantage’s Hometowns sounds eerily like Mangum at times.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

I'll look 'em up.

Go buy Astral Weeks. You can usually find it for like $6.99

And read this if you’d like. The greatest music writer of the era

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

try it out on grooveshark.

Hometowns is better than their newer album. Like I said, they’re not the best, but they’ve certainly got their moments.
and thanks!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions

Will do. Thank you.

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

Have added it to my amazon birthday wishlist.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions

penta?

top 10 album all time

by prophetjohn on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions

we should form a club

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions

and not let VEP in

clubs are only fun if you exclude someone else

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions

I am about to listen to the song in question

in the past I haven’t liked this band much

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

still not my thing

oh well

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions

can't believe you don't like that song/album

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions

Oh my god you're changing

I like this

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

VEP, it's normal if you start finding hair in new places

Andrew Hill-Alfred
Booker Little-We Speak
Richard Davis and Walt Dickerson
Marion Brown-Porto Novo

by prophetjohn on Feb 14, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs

I just spit out my drink

(seriously)

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by clank on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions

i really want to keep this subthread going but i don't think i am offensive enough

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions

Is this a commentary on the song or on fink's oldness?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Feb 13, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions

Right click people. I missed one when linking.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions

did you listen to my song?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions

diggin this van morrison but it is a long song

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions

Richard Davis, jazz bass extraordinaire there. Connie Kay, too.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

Not closely. I will tomorrow.

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions

you better!

ha jk

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

I found out the flaming lips one is the one that leads one away from veb

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

sorry!

by a fink on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

good song tho

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions

yeah

> tebow

by cschepers on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

nice

i havent been to grooveshark i lost hope in online streaming after imeem went down

by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions

i want to shoot you for

edda…i was hoping for some new drake or kanye

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions

Surely, I have no idea what you're talking about.

(don’t call me Shirley!)

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions

New Drake must be a great band

haven’t heard the prog rock band Kenya yet though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions

when did that van morrison

song come out? i clicked on the info but is there a way to see a release date on groovesharK?

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

'68

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions

Anyone know this?

The Mekons- Chivalry

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

No? Nobody?

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions

I don't, but I know nothing.

I like it, though.

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions

Well, the fact that you like it reflects positively on your character!

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions

what's going on mekon!

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions

Some great slightly left of well-known jazz

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions

love love love andrew hill

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

or if sharing songs on veb is not your cup of tea

this site allows you to review tracks of new or up and coming bands, and I guess if you review enough you get paid http://www.slicethepie.com

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions

nice thanks!

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

I made 7 cents from reviewing one song in like 2 minutes

this might work out pretty well actually. hmmmm.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

what's the floor for cashing out?

do you have to make 50 dollars before you can collect your earnings or something?

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

I just started it now

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

a lot of these sites have a floor of around $20

btw, after two songs it asks you more about yourself, so I’m assuming that will save you from genres you dislike

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions

Hmmmm

Not really sure what determines how much you get, my first review wasn’t that great or long but I got 7 cents for it, then my next three were all quite a bit longer but made me less. Strange.

Sign Bubbie Buzachero!

by cardinalswsbound on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

yeah, first review is obviously an incentive

same thing happened to me. I suppose if I review stuff every once in a while for a couple hours a time it could prove to be cool. I haven’t heard anything that interesting yet though.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions

welp

I listened to a bunch of stuff I didn’t like all that much and only made $1.17

FAIL

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions

One more.

I prefer the Pharoah Sanders version, but it’s not on there.
Carlos Santana and John McLaughlin- Let us go into the House of the Lord

by a fink on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

favorite individual tracks...

All My Friends – LCD Soundsystem
Do Not Break – Ellen Allien and Apparat

All Along the Watchtower – Jimi Hendrix

Major Label Debut (Fast) – Broken Social Scene
Fake Empire – The National

but picking favorite tracks is a very subjective and pointless thing for me, the vast majority of my favorite music is better served in album form than in track form, and my “favorite tracks” would probably vary by the day.

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions

yeah

was going for at the moment type of thing. I am really liking that song I posted at the moment. very existential.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions

I've been listening to these a lot recently

Wedding Song – Bob Dylan
Remember a Day – Pink Floyd
Venus in Furs – Velvet Underground

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions

Have you heard of this singer named Adele

She’s pretty awesome. She won a bunch of Grammys yesterday

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions

i sang rolling in the deep for a coworker today

trying to explain who adele is.

give me arabica or give me death -- spants

by il rosso on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions

Not an easy song to sing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions

ftfy

Not an easy song to sing well

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions

...is there a difference?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions

yes

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions

i set fire to the rain?

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by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions

this is a great remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EErXZ3ozcJ0

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions

I'm pretty sure the grammys have lost all significance at this point

not saying she’s bad, just more attacking the idea of the grammys

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

I love Wedding Song

Have you listened to Bootleg Vol. 8 Tell Tale Signs?
I’m a huge Dylan fan and this might be my favorite album…

by cardsfan_1986 on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions

no i haven't

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions

I feel so prosaic listening to The Wall just now.

Retire #52!

by The Continental on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

do the yankees where cotton pinstripe uniforms at home? they don't look polyester

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions

Only on Seinfeld, and only briefly.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

thought that was wool

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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

You thought wrong.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions

thanks for the confirmation

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

.

by prophetjohn on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

right?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

would you trade ra dickey

for lohse

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions

viewing it from a cardinal point of view of course

by guillermozeliak on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions

yes, because he makes about 1/6 of what lohse makes with about the same result

[and, of course, I like knuckleballers]

by hr on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

wow i missed a great thread today, didn't i

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions

indeed, lots of good stuff today

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions

Cars, music, Valentine's Day gift advice, whether interest accrued on student loans is deductible ...

You know, a veb February.

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions

Peach!

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

sup?

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

chillin, sup with you?

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions

nuthin much

eatin some thin mints, readin some veb, livin…

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions

livin the dream it sounds like

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions

easy to live the dream if you keep the dream small

by peach concrete on Feb 14, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions

when we're young, have have big dreams & we think all we need is love

then as we get older, life kicks us around & we learn to dream a little smaller

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions

how is kate upton only 19?

that’s just not fair

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST reply actions

single-game tickets at cards.com

Don’t go on sale until March 2… can anyone recommend a 100% reputable and reliable online tickets site I can get Cards tickets from? Or should I hold off until March 2??

by lauderdale on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions

best off waiting. if you are a member of cardinals.com or something like that they will go on sale a couple days early.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 14, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions

i was already signed up with mlb.com

But looking into it, it looks like presales were going on for last years tickets if you were signed up for the redbird report newsletter, so I went ahead and got signed up for that… here’s hoping my tax refund gets deposited in time for the first on-sales… trying to go to April 14 (WS ring game) and July 22, both happen to be vs cubs

by lauderdale on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

By far the best bargain, but also a little risky

Is to get the KMOX first pitch tickets. I went to 3 friday night games (2 vs the cubs) for $5 per game.

You have to buy them the day of, and at the stadium. If you don’t mind not getting into the park until gametime and are in the area, it is definitely worth it.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions

er, they may have been afternoon/day games...I don't really remember

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 14, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions

I went to a bunch last year

I live pretty close to Busch so it is not that big of a deal

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions

I think I'm going to stop talking about it

I don’t wanna let the secret out.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 14, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions

My goal this year is to take a bus to the baseball game

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions

err, umm...

That would be a great deal if I lived closer, but living in deep southern illinois I need to plan out vacation days for going to a few games… and if I’m treating myself to a game on my vacation I’m gonna try and get the best seats I possibly can since I won’t be able to go to very many… but if I were closer by, that would be a helluva great deal

by lauderdale on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

There are few VEB threads I can relate to less than music threads

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

I'm sorry then

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions

Nothing to apologize for whatsoever

Just an observation

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions

whats weird is the same conservation is happening between the same people at the same time on twitter

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

parallel internetverse

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions

worlds colliding!

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions

sometimes I feel weird about bringing up other stuff than baseball on here

but then again, I feel weird most of the time

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

although

I do feel that music has some sports elements, and sports can sometimes be fun with music.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions

we're all pretty werid dude

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions

yeah

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions

so you shouldn't feel weird here, you're home

There is no greater sorrow than to recall in misery the time when we were happy

by gdm426 on Feb 14, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions

right on

I guess was thinking more in a music sense, since I find very few people who listen to what I listen to. but then again I am a music dweeb heh.

livin fuzzy in a binary world

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 14, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions

I use to put a "OT" up first

But than I dropped the charade. There is nothing to talk about in baseball world.

by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions

there are few VEB threads i can relate less to than MLS threads

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Yes there are people other than me who watch MLS here

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions

that's why there are MLS threads on VEB, yes

mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble

by tehzachatak on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions

True dat

I really don’t care about music at all. I pretty much only listen to Classic Rock