The Second Annual "Matt Holliday is Awesome" Post
by azruavatar on Feb 12, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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PrintThere are plenty of reasons to be excited for the 2012 season. The Cardinals' Front Office led by John Mozeliak has assembled an interesting set of players despite the void left by Albert Pujols. Veterans Lance Berkman and Carlos Beltran will become key focal points in a revamped offense along with World Series MVP David Freese and the Cardinals will look to work Allen Craig's bat into the lineup upon his return from rehabbing knee surgery. The rotation is bolstered by a newly ligamented Adam Wainwright a deep veteran core of Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook and the sole lefty Jaime Garcia.
I visited this topic early last year but it seems worthwhile to come back to it again. There is really one player who the Cardinals will depend on to fill the significant void left by the departure of #5. That would be #7, Matt Holliday. Despite appearing in approximately 75% of last year's games, Matt Holliday still managed to put up a 5.0 fWAR year. That was due in large part to what was, arguably, his best offensive season of his career factoring in league and park effects. Matt Holliday was simply terrific.
The Cardinals are surely thankful that he was terrific because they've signed him for another 5 years and $85M dollars. Through the first two seasons, Holliday has outperformed his contract by roughly $15M dollars. He's kept the Cardinals in the black on the contract with some exceptional offense, durability and average defense. His contract remains the largest one provided by the Cardinals to date and even after playing through two seasons of it, Matt Holliday is the largest financial commitment on the books for the team.
During the offseason in 2009, Matt Holliday was not the only outfielder that some considered to be a premier free agent. Jason Bay would sign a 4 year, $64M deal with the New York Mets who almost certainly regret that decision. In 2008, Bay had been traded from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Boston Red Sox for four players: Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris. In typical Pirate fashion*, none of those four players amounted to anything of real value. Bay would finish the 2008 season with Boston and proceed to have a monstrous 2009 where he hit .267/.384/.537. It was a season that was roughly equivalent to the work Matt Holliday was doing in Oakland and St. Louis. After that, things would diverge.
| AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | fWAR | |
| Matt Holliday | .305 | .389 | .529 | .395 | 11.7 |
| Jason Bay | .251 | .337 | .386 | .325 | 2.2 |
The Mets have spent $32M to get 2.2 WAR in the last two years. The Cardinals spent an extra $2M to get an additional 9.5 WAR from their corresponding Jason Bay player.
This is, in large part, as much a testimony of how good Matt Holliday is as it would be an example of just how terribly Jason Bay has performed for the Mets. Matt Holliday is likely to be the new anchor of the Cardinals lineup and the only player to appear regularly in the number three spot on a lineup card since Albert Pujols made his name there in 2001.
Matt Holliday's role on the Cardinals will be different than what it was previously. One would hope that his recent invite to a few Cardinals' minor league players to spend some time practicing with he and David Freese in St. Louis is a tacit acknowledgement that Holliday is now the big man on campus. The offense will have to be more balanced but it will be Holliday-centric much as it was Pujols-centric. At 32, Matt Holliday is entering what modern analysis would lead us to believe is his decline phase. Eventually, the Cardinals will look elsewhere to find the focal point of their offense. For the next 2-3 years, they are depending on Matt Holliday to be that focus. If 2011 was any indication, a healthy Holliday is prepared to shoulder the load.
*Typical pirate fashion actually involves a scimitar, bandana, large linen pants hemmed tight at the ankle, a deep V blouse and 1-2 missing teeth.
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Nice article
My only worry is an article this positive might jinx Holliday for the season. Then again, he had his run of weird luck last year. I’d say he was due foe a fairly quiet, uneventful and productive 2012. Here’s hoping for another 6.0 WAR and some additional Cardinal success.
I'm pretty sure it was Azru's Holliday projection contest from last year that jinxed Holliday
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
just be thankful it wasn't a june bug instead of a moth!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't jinxes work
in the opposite direction? Why wouldn’t our constant slagging on Skippy make him and MVP candidate?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 12, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
because he's not a real player
or
he just got a 2 year contract because of it?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Matt had a huge 1st half ... here's hoping for a full and healthy 2102 and no invite to the HR derby
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
If he's still healthy in 2102...
then he should be allowed to partake in as many geriatric HR derbies as he damn well pleases.
"Son, what kind of pitch would you like to miss?"
-The Diz
by The Classical on Feb 12, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
ha!
living the good life is not going to get him that far i’m afraid, unless he moves to that province of the former ussr where folks routinely live well in to their 100’s
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
if I'm still alive in 2102
I will be 127. I can do it!
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why not shoot for the moon and live until 2112?
Proportionally, the difference between 127 and 137 is pretty small, and you’ll also get to survive to see a creepy dystopian future as imagined by the band Rush. It’s win-win!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
oh you're right
once the nano-elixirs are available to the general public, I probably won’t be too terribly old by then. and it will be smooth sailing after that. or at the very least I should be able to mirror my consciousness into the internet world through the proper software and brain scanning techniques in the not too terribly distant future.
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is life expectancy will be quite a bit lower
when the priests of the Temples of Syrinx take over, what with the collapse of the previous civilization and their apparent neo-luddite tendencies.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think Chitown is going to get around that with his electronic consciousness though
The only problem is power supply, and he’ll have to isolate the system he exists on so the Syrinx people don’t discover it and destroy it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'll have it figured out by then
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so sick of arguing with various
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
People
Yrying to show them how good Holliday is.
He needs to go out and win the MVP so he can make my life easier
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If it makes you feel better
I’m predicting this for Holliday:
650 PAs, .307/.391/.536/.927, .407 wOBA, 44 doubles, 28 homers, 101 runs, 100 RBI
lets go ahead and have a mv5 year
holliday, berkman, betran, freese, and craig!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yadier Molina
does not share this sentiment
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
thought about making it a mv6 comment, but even if he's 20% better year offensively he would kind of be the odd man
out that group offensively, but would welcome mv6 for sure
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Let's say mv9
With Furcal, Greene, and Descalso all exploding for unbelievable offense. A MIF with a combined .800 wOBA… I think I’d probably be okay with that.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Now you've done it
The pitching staff would like a word with you.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
3 way tie for cy young
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
this might make TCs comment about 173 wins a reality
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Law would still find a way to vote for a non-cardinal
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
he's an asshat
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
I predict he breaks his clavicle and is out for half the year
prediction crisis averted
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
No!
Holliday and I are injury twins, except for the moth! I can’t have a broken clavicle!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rest easy
I had to neutralize stlfan’s prediction to ward off the bad juju. To be on the safe side, you might want to avoid BMX bike riding for the next year.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
That shouldn't be a problem.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
at least he can't get his appendix taken out again
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
So following the "injury twins" comment
Is there symmetry between appendicitis and childbirth?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
No.
I had an appendectomy while I was pregnant.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
In fact, my surgery was a week or so after his.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bleah.
I sincerely wish I hadn’t asked.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Feb 12, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
my cousin broke his clavicle
it’s awful. i’m sorry spants.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Someone must've hacked his account...
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Feb 12, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
say what?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
yes
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Holliday gets no respect by average fans
It seems like casual fans think he suck. I try to explain. They do not listen
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 12, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand it.
He plays hard, he hits the snot out of the ball. Why don’t they love him?!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This was a pretty good moment at least:
Outfield assist in WS Game 3. It didn’t end up being critical to the game since Pujols went apeshit and the Cards won by 9, but it was a close game at the time and it was a pretty awesome throw.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's even a humble religious white guy
You’d think he’d be the textbook fan-pleaser. It’s very bizarre.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
he's not been the focal point during his tenure here thus far, pujols was and to a lesser degree the others stars
of the team. you said it, he’s humble, and has not sought the limelight. he appears to be stepping up with the departure of albert though so i hope he get’s the recognition he earns. berk is quite the card though so the reporters will probably still make a beeline straight to him first for the post game comments
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
average fan thinks big strong expensive guy needs to hit at least 40 home runs a year
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think not hitting 30 homers is a big part of it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
then he just needs to go ahead and break through the 30 barrier this year, but i prefer him slugging line drives
and letting the hrs fall where they may as it were, i think alberts drop the last 2-3 years was him trying to him more hrs, resulting in more pop ups to the mif and gidp
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
What?? Double Plays!!! The 2011 Cardinals?
No way.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
too many baserunners
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Theriot did his part to prevent them.
What with the not getting on base and TOOTBLANs
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols also led the league in GIDP in 2007.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
started earlier than i thought but you are correct
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think you've created a false narrative.
Pujols was worth 8.4 fWAR that season. He hit over 40 HR each of the previous 4 seasons before 2007. I don’t think Pujols hits into more double plays because he’s trying to hit homers. I think it’s a function of having more opportunities to hit in double plays. His IFFB% was 2.6% below his career IFFB%. His GB% was 3.8% above his career rate.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i was being a smart ass on last comment, but to my eye which is obviously a fail right there, he seemed
to be hitting less LD the last few years. that’s my position, not founded on actual science of course. he just hits a lot of weak pop ups and dribblers to the mif and i don’t remember him doing that before the last few years, kind of coincidences with holliday coming in to give him protection actually which is counter intuitive as he should have been getting better pitches to drive with matt behind him, no?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
yeah the line drive single to right all but disappeared for albert the last few years it seems like
(cue someone refuting my statement with stats showing he had the same number of liners to right as before)
did you ever give any serious thought to my racer-x/wombat-x avatar?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Someone else take care of this, please.
I’m trying to be a better person.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's gonna be really hard for a guy like Holliday to hit 30 homers at Busch III
It’s one of the toughest parks on RHH in the entire National League
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
read the rest of my comment, i'm fine with him blistering the ball and hitting LD's
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would question whether this is actually so.
For example, Matt Holliday was a starter in the all-star game. That’s a pretty good proxy of the average fan’s view of Holliday.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 12, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
What was really telling though was when stltoday.com did a poll a couple weeks ago
about who your favorite cardinal player is…Matt Holliday got like 5% of the vote. I knew he wouldn’t be in the top 2…but damn…just 5 effing percent?!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the results from the poll:
Poll: Who is your favorite Cardinal player?
Lance Berkman 17%
Chris Carpenter 23%
David Freese 9%
Matt Holliday 5%
Yadier Molina 16%
Adam Wainwright 27%
Other 3%
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
For pete's sake....he barely beat out "Other"!!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i would say this just shows how dumb people are
but its really an opinion but i think people hate him because he has a huge contract
i wouldve voted holliday, yadi, carp
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
It's an interesting point.
I would bet that he was the favorite player of many Rockies fans while he was there. The timing of the poll also probably hurt him since some other players, like hometown boy Freese and Berkman recently starred in the WS.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you figure he's not going to outpoll Yadi, Carp, and Wainwright
because of their long histories with the team. Throw in Berk’s comeback year and Freese’s/Berk’s (especially Freese’s) roles in the WS, and that poll looks about as expected, at least qualitatively. (I am mildly surprised that Berk was ahead of Yadi though, even if just barely.)
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt vote in this poll
but I wouldve voted for Carp. I think maybe if the poll had people rank their top 5 favorite Cardinals, Lego would’ve done better
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Carp and Waino are 1 and 1A for me; which one is which doesn't matter
I’m also a huge Garcia fan.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Carp is easily #1 for me
Partially for his badassery on the mound, partially for his anti-social behavior
by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
When was the last time a big FA actually worked out? (not counting Holliday)
A pretty short list. Sabathia, Lee, Beltre, Seems like the majority of big FA’s has been a bust.
And yet, the contracts keep getting bigger
and their terms of years longer. Makes you scratch your head. Unless you’re Jayson Werth. It all makes perfect sense to him, he has reported.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would have a hard time giving anyone a contract over 3 years
This would be double true for a free agent
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
but since there are owners out there more than willing to, you will not get the pujols and fielder's of the world
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
right, but you won't get any slugger near their prime for 3 years or less, unless it's a one year deal waiting for next year to
get the longer term contracts.
only players like Berks and Betrans, which I like by the way, but what player heading into, in, or ending their prime years are going to sign for 3 years or less?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
right, and he's saying maybe that's not such a bad thing
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
thanks for joining in capt obvious
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
we're all taking Whitney's death hard
no need to get aggressive
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see below, sorry mattyp
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
my apologies that was rude matty, it wasn't meant to come off so snarky
i’m curious how flim would field a competitive team if he doesn’t sign anyone to a contract longer than 3 years
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Good teams that have done this:
Blue Jays
Rays
Twins (pre-Mauer)
Diamondbacks
Reds
Brewers
Some of these teams did extend their own guys for more than years…
Sign Roy O
flim said anyone and double for free agents so he wouldn't have been willing to sign pujols to longer
than 3 back in 03/04 or when ever the first contract was signed. just seems to me it would be pretty tough to keep spitting out young talent and fielding a competitive team if you didn’t keep the good ones and take advantage of the right FA once in a while
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
It would mean you just can't be as dependent on a small cadre of excellent veteran players, right?
So you’d have to work harder in other ways. Drafting, trading, scouting, developing, etc. You’d have to spread your value out, but spread it wisely (the more you spread it out the more chances for hits and misses) and you’d also have to hope to get super-star production for cheap, which seems like it would be way more difficult because you have less information and players tend to peak at a certain age.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yes this is what i'm saying for the most part and once you find and develop the great young ones, off they go
however in regard to your subject line the cards have a pretty good balance at the moment and i hope it lasts
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you'd basically have to be constantly on the move to find fresh talent
Because even when you do find the really good players your limits mean that they will only be around for a certain amount of years. I guess the Yankees are the opposite extreme, they can afford to keep almost anybody if they really want to keep them.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yes wouldn't be the optimum strategy given cardinals payroll, i'm glad they have a
balanced approach and hope the new lunhow is successful in finding and harvesting young talent. best of both worlds at present!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
No matter what you have to be “smarter than the field” in order to keep contending over and over again. You have to draft and develop well enough to actually get cheap talent instead of cheap crappy players. And you have to a better job of signing the FAs that actually work out instead of ones that don’t. Holliday so far looks like a FA that is working out very nicely. Pujols’ first deal worked out immensely.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yes, why hinder yourself when you have a budget that permits keeping the keepers
and taking advantage of the matt hollidays and jim edmunds when they present?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's kinda what I'm saying
It’s not a foregone conclusion that the Edmonds and Hollidays of the world end up being the FAs that work out. It’s not always obvious which players will age better, or will sustain production instead of having illusory career years, etc. You have to do your due diligence no matter what, it’s just a question of which avenue is easier and what combination of approaches your budget allows for.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
i'm still agreeing, once in a while you suck a lemon, but you still want to
sample the market and make a purchase now and then, with due diligence of course
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
miami, pirates, royals, and nationals probably fit in that list at least during some periods of the past decade
but this list of teams is not consistently competitive over an extended period of time
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
There are also teams who have been good while getting little/nothing...
out of their big fa signings.
Sign Roy O
sure that happens, win some lose some, but i was questioning the strategy which would be
deliberate and not random. the short term contract strategy would seem to almost guarantee mediocrity over the long term. now if you are a team that’s operating on a small budget you can’t sign big contracts for the long term. i was questioning the strategy with the cardinals as my reference/concern … assume film was as well
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
If Jaime Garcia and Pujols I type contracts...
were allowed, then having an iron clad rule against contracts of more than three years would help not harm all teams outside of LAA, LAD, CHC, NYY, NYM, and PHI. Those teams can tolerate the hit or miss nature of big FA signings.
If buying out your own players is not permitted, then such a rule would probably harm all teams more than it would help – the gain from avoiding albatross contracts being less than the talent outflow after six years of control.
Sign Roy O
concur
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
how would you field a consistently competitive team with that strategy?
seems you would need a really deep minor league system that continually regenerated itself, and a lot of luck
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
This makes me wonder about two things
1. Maybe the assumption about which contracts “work out” are inherently flawed in the first place. Maybe there is something wacky about our assumption of the relationship between on-the-field performance and financial worth.
2. If the above is partly true maybe it’s because the analytically-oriented baseball fanbase just isn’t privy to the more business-oriented side of it. Maybe those free agents really do provide other kinds of value that “we” haven’t been clever enough to measure yet, or simply don’t have the information available to do so.
3. Maybe some GMs really are that dumb.
So I guess that’s actually three things. Good thing I don’t work for the Cardinals, I can’t even count.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Isn't part of the answer
that baseball is both a business and a sport? Don’t large, splashy free agent signings sell season ticket packages and merchandise? Pump up interest in the team which leads to increased ratings which leverages teams into more lucrative broadcast rights fees ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but all those questions are kind of debated fiercely around here
I kind of feel like they don’t appear to matter as much as people say, but maybe that’s because of the way people are attempting to measure them. For all we know, maybe the Cardinals’ front office has a way of projecting those effects way better than we do because they actually are privy to all their own financial information.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The sabermetrically inclined universe
is still pretty small overall. Casual and/or older fans (and the corporate honchos who actually make decisions about buying season tickets) still like to buzz about star free-agent signings and couldn’t care less about WAR and whether the signing will hold water over the long term. Debate all day how it ought to be and how on-field performance is all that should matter. The reality has been and will likely continue to be somewhat different.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the Saber-inclined have made attempts to draw conclusions about this stuff
Using payroll numbers and whatever other financial information is publicly available. But not everything is going to be available.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Lets look at the Angels signing Albert
Fox may have said we will give you x million more if you sign Albert.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
interesting concept
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably what happened, in effect.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Feb 12, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's worse than that though.
We don’t have access to much, if any, reliable business/financial data. And, moreover, I would say that many of the attempts to draw conclusions about this stuff, including among the saber-inclined, show some pretty basic misunderstandings about business/finance.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 12, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of lucrative broadcast rights fees, when can we get a taste of that cookie? i know we're not large market
so it’s not going to be billions, but c’mon fox
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
The St Louis market may not be large, relatively speaking
but there is a good-sized contingent of Cardinal fans spread across the country, and thats a lot of fans that dont get FSM. i.e. most of Missouri, large parts of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Tennessee, Arkansas, plus the remnants of when the Cardinals were the only team west of the Mississippi. But it all depends on when the current contract ends, of which I have no idea
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Large chunks of Missouri and Iowa DO get FSM
The rest of your list? I don’t know …but your point still stands. The point also stands that the Cardinals will probably never get anywhere near as lucrative a tv deal as larger market teams.
by mattyfrommo on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
a lot of illinois does too
I kinda screwed that up…in other words, if the Cardinals had their own cable network, they could draw a lot of subscribers from the above areas, whether or not the said area carries FSM
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I figured as much
As for the contract, I figure they’ll be on it for awhile, considering last year was the first year of the new broadcast contract with FSM
by mattyfrommo on Feb 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
speaking of fsm
is uverse still going to blackout a lot of the gamees like last year?
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
That was only about 4 games, wasn't it?
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
i thought someone counted 16 or something
but personally i remember 2 times…i listen on the radio a lot
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
You're right
I didn’t recall that many.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at old stats
I was looking at stats of the Midwest league from years past to get an idea of how good Oscar Taveras was this year
Check out these 2006 stats
Tyler Greene .287/.375/.552/.927
Colby Rasmus .310/.373/.512/.884
Jon Jay .342/.416/.462/.877
David Freese .299/.374/.510/.884
Oscar Taveras .386/.444/.584/1.028
Add some Wong to that list
.335/.401/.510/.911
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Plate appearances?
I thought I remembered Oscar missing a chicken of time last year
by Cheeseballs on Feb 12, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was like "Whaaaa?"
And then I saw “via mobile.”
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
Matt Holliday is awesome.
He gets two thumbs up!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
You people really seem intent on dooming Holliday this year.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
who is the heck is that?
looks photoshopped, is it?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
thanks, the area from the nose to eyes looks odd thought maybe it was holliday photoshopped onto a long hairs face
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Scott Stapp's non-union, Canadian equivalent
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
nope he's naturally that ugly
and equally annoying
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
niiiiiice
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Now that's a concert I would rather not attend
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
You'd have to give me a lot more than a Nickleback
to make me endure a fity cent concert.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
ba-zing
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
flagged
for inclusion of no-talent ass clown on teh VEBs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? Looks nothing like Theriot.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like it's on MLB Network.
It should be here too:
http://web.theabl.com.au/multimedia/page.jsp?ymd=20111230&content_id=26243448&vkey=multimedia_l595&fext=.jsp&sid=l595
but I haven’t gotten it to work yet.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
is that link working for you?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
No, I was never able to get anything there.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
damn was feeling up to watching it
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
MLB.tv questions (off-topic)
I’m normally an MLB E.I. subscriber (thru Charter) but hate (a) the non-HD broadcasts (b) the price of almost $200. I now have a Samsung “smart tv” with MLB.tv access, & noticed that “Premium” is only $125. Questions for any current users:
- are all games shown in true HD (yes, I have high-speed connection)
- are the games broadcast w/ TV or radio audio
- do you think its overall worth the difference in $50 to $75 from E.I.
I can only answer based on my experience of watching MLB.tv via web browser
so I don’t know if this will apply to your Samsung.
Yes, they should all be in HD. Both home and away television and audio feeds are available (except for national games, where only on TV feed is available). Watching via browser, I can open one window with video and mute it, then open another for radio audio.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the feedback
I never bothered w/ MLB.tv previously because I never have gotten into the “watch tv on a computer” thing – same reason I don’t care much for Hulu, etc. (I know, I’m old fashioned). but sounds like it might be the way to go for cheaper with the smart tv.
I like your user name
Because you use “ser” instead of “estar”. Therefore (assuming it is supposed to be a question) you are asking more about the essential characteristics of Juan, rather than the temporary state he is currently in. Much more philosophical.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
would time traveling juan encarnacion complicate matters here?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly.
¿Cómo está Juan? Juan esta bien.
¿Cómo es Juan? Juan existe fuera del nuestra concepción del tiempo.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
what does that say? looks funny
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Basically...
How is Juan doing? Juan is doing well.
How is Juan? Juan exists outside of our conception of time.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 12, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha, thanks!
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
¿De que manera es Juan?
Juan no es de una manera… Juan es la manera.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It gets pretty philosophical, obviously.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
so what's that one?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Again, this is not a word-for-word translation, I'm going for the over-all meaning...
In what way is Juan? Juan is not of a way… Juan is the way.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
still good ... you are hired as time traveling juan encarnacion's translator
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
all you need is a laptop with an hdmi out to your hdtv
if you are out of market, mlb.tv is actually better than watching on regular tv
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
the only way to go Chitown
That works good for me although I use my desktop mostly. If
you are using a good multicore cpu laptop to feed, I would
definitely use a cooler pad under it. Laptop cpus can get
pretty hot streaming video
hmmm have not heard of this ... if i had perhaps i would still have hair in that spot on my leg
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes, definitely get a cooling pad or stand to set it on
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I've been a MLB.tv subscriber for 5 years now.
Let me first address your questions:
1. Games are NOT in “True” HD. True HD would be 720p/1080p (1280×720/1920×1080). The MLB.tv stream is more like 640p (960×640). It’s High-def-ish. Honestly though, it’s close enough. The major difference between the stream and what you are getting from EI is that EI is a 60FPS video and MLB.tv is 30FPS. Most people can’t tell the difference, but the slower frame rate makes things look more like film than live sports TV.
2. The games are the normal FOX midwest feed with normal audio (TV). One benefit of MLB.tv is that is comes with free radio feeds as well so you can listen to Mike Shannon if your away from a tube or the game is blacked out due to FOX’s bullshit rules.
3. I prefer MLB.tv to EI mostly because it’s more flexible. EI means I have to be at my home TV to watch, and that’s it. MLB.tv allows me to watch the games at work on my computer, on my iPad/iPhone on the train or whatnot. It’s way more flexible. It’s also way cheaper.
Those things being said, a few things you should know:
A: If you are in the St. Louis cardinals viewing area (Missouri, Iowa, parts of Illinois, etc) ALL THE CARDINALS GAMES ON MLB.tv WILL BE BLACKED OUT, meaning your subscription will be worthless. So check to make sure your not throwing your money away thanks to MLB’s arcane blackout rules.
B: The MLB.tv experience watching on a computer SUCKS. Mainly because instead of the normal commercials you’d get from FOX sports you’ll get the same 2 commercials OVER and OVER and OVER all year long. Just ask anyone around here about “HEY UMP!”. However, watching MLB.tv on a set top box like a blueray player, boxxee, etc or a mobile device like an iPad, iPhone is GREAT. All commercials are just blocked out for those, which is actually pleasant. This is because the MLB.tv ads are flash based, which only works on computers. Once again, more evidence flash sucks.
C: At times, the MLB.tv stream can get choppy and look terrible. The streaming technology just isn’t perfected yet, so sometimes when network traffic gets high the game will look like ass. This always seems to happen in tie games in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded, 2 outs, 2 strikes, 3 balls, and the away teams closer facing the #3 hitter for the home team.
I can talk all day about this. Any other questions?
by cloistermaximus on Feb 12, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thanks. great rundown and quite humorous, especially B.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
...
2: Away feed is available as well. If you’re not into Dan’nAl (I’m not into Dan’nAl)
A: Of course, we know how to get around the blackout. I have no idea if the Samsung will support access via proxy.
B: Is the pitch f/x box, highlight prompts and stat cards available on Boxee, et. al. ? One super nice thing about watching via browser is having multiple games running (without using MLB.tv’s grid view). The ad thing just doesn’t matter to me.
C: I rarely see the stream get choppy. Your experience differs from mine there.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Flash actually wasn't made to be a video player on the first place
It’s just commonly used as one
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its actually a Beavis & Butthead quote
that became a high school nickname (being “Jon” and being “Juan” in Spanish class, and it being 1994, and…..yeah, you get it.) The Spanish teacher is asking them in the episode “come es juan?” while holding a card that says “Juan es alto”. So you are correct sir. I’m actually as far from Spanish as one can be. Also I realized I just sort of popped in here this morning after not having posted for a very long long time.
Also, it could be a statement instead of a question
I think it would translate as something like “as Juan is”.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
2,354 enthusiastic fans in Perth today.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
We want more Bubbie Buzachero!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Huh. Dude's from Tennessee.
Did not expect that.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, he's 30.
10 years in the minors, still tryin’ to live the dream.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
BUZACHERO!!!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Awesome
Great name and is walk-up music reminded me of MVP Baseball 2005. SIGN HIM MO!!!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
HE THROWS 135!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
hit's 140 occasionally!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Looks like I found my new sig.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
damn last one was 145! his range appears to be low 130's to 140+
real wingar
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Continental
I did try that ABL link earlier. It buffers but won’t play..strange.
Did watch some highlights of game 2 though. Aussie playing fields
look terrible. They must have problems growing grass there. What
would you say Austrailian baseball compares to: US college ball,
Rookie League, Gulf Coast League.
I haven't watched much myself.
Poking around at the histories at some of the players, looks like high-A or so.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
former Astros pitcher, Jason Hirsch, plays in that league.
he was the only name I recognized
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
These guys are using the oddest microphones.
Hand-helds virtually jammed against their mouths.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, said the same thing below. AM I PSYCHIC?
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
that guy sounded like a real dj on the cut to commerical
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
matt holliday fucking rules.
he’s going to end up as my favorite cardinal of my young life when it’s all set and done.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions
he and lance are my current favorites, but then it's hard to not also list carp, waino, and yadi and i'm very hopeful about craig
also think freese handled his sudden national fame quite well so far btw and hope him health and good tidings … but yes Holliday is the man
(said and done)
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
i generally don't fall in love with players that are already popular.
for some stupid reason matt holliday isn’t adored like yadier, wainwright, freese, and carp are, so he gets my tender loving care.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
i agree he's my favorite also
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wainwright, Holliday, Carp
are all tied at the top
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
If I had to pick just 1, I'd pick Waino
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
even when he signs with another team after his contract runs up?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
OT question
I’m considering ordering these flowers from Amazon, and it says “Estimated Shipping: February 13, 2012” I read this as meaning it’s expected to arrive at my house tomorrow, though that seems entirely unlikely considering that would leave just one day delivery for only $10. My other theory is that it’s expected to leave the place it’s shipping from on that date. Thoughts on which it is?
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions
They ship the 13th.
That’s not the arrival date.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Okay thanks, that's what I thought.
Hmmmmm the Expedited shipping is 1-3 days. It seems like a great deal otherwise I wouldn’t risk it. Here’s what I’m considering ordering.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I can't open that from the app.
Also, I don’t care for valentine’s day. Unless the present is baseball related.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
sigh, if only more women felt this way. I had this fun conversation:
Her: Valentine’s day isn’t that big a deal to me
Me: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (internal monologue)
Her: ….As long as I know you tried your hardest
Me: SHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT (internal monologue)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 12, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahaha
on my way to pay for flowers now
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
that's in the VEB ESPN keeper league? because I'm terrible at keeping track of who's who
in the league.
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damn, so many Matts on this site.
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i made that comment not long ago and was informed there were only 2 was it 3 but i think there's 1 more
mattyp
mattybobo
mattfrommo
there’s one more right?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
secondhalfmatt
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
see i'm not crazy people who corrected me and said there were only 2 or was it 3?!
forgot secondhalfmatt, not so familiar with the other two, but 4 is enough to confuse me when trying to remember who said what
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
When in doubt
assume Cody
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
then there’s Maude! Ever lovin, enterprisin, right on Maude!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
The user I'm looking for is none of them, it's Einfestebusch
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A hidden Matty?
Their infiltration is more complete than we thought.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
initiate the doomsday machine!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think many people only get "romance" on this day.
It’s sad. For me, the forced nature of the day is why I don’t care for it.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
let's ban it
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I choose to spend the day remembering Teddy Roosevelt...
…whose first wife and mother both died (in the same house!) on February 14th, 1884.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/trhtml/trdiary3.html
by peach concrete on Feb 12, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
allrighty then
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
My brother and I did.
Last year we celebrated Rob Thomas Day and this year it’s Simon Pegg Day. We’re doing our part, America!
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, the gf does not feel the same, rebellious, way.
Therefore, I find myself buying flowers and chocolate. Sigh….
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hi Peach!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 3:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hi Spants!
I enjoy it when we agree. Makes me feel smart.
by peach concrete on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Makes me feel more sane!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wonderful.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the endless jewelry and flower commercials for the preceding two months
is what annoys me the most
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Spants
I just hate the forced nature of it. Not to mention it’s in fucking February, easily the most depressing month.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i like it
feb is awesome…march madness is starting to heat up…baseball is starting
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're thinking of March
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just go to a florist. It'll be a bit more, but ordering flowers online is a pain
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
interesting pujols discussion in yesterday's thread
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I got on and replied to a couple of things just now, then realized I was in yesterday's thread and not today's
Looking back now I’m dissappointed that I wasn’t actively on more when the discussion was going on, I worked then watched hockey
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And yes seeing the Blues win in overtime was more than worth missing that conversation
But it was probably over by the time the game started
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I left shortly after it started, and am kind of disappointed I missed it.
On the other hand, had a great night of Boozin’ and Bluesin’!!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
is the Holliday signing perhaps the calling card for Mozeliak?
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions
Today in Oswaltland...
The Red Sox are willing to give Roy Oswalt a one-year deal worth $5-$7MM, but the veteran remains reluctant to pitch in Boston. However, as we’ve heard elsewhere, the 34-year-old hasn’t ruled Boston out.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
My gob this has been ridiculous.
Worth the wait, however.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
At this point he might be better off...
waiting for someone’s elbow to blow out during spring training and swoop in and collect all the insurance proceeds.
Sign Roy O
Love the Australians who are calling the game's mics. On MLBN now.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions
And the thing is,
they have headsets with mics that are pushed up out of the way. I wonder if they’re using these just while they’re on camera.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Those are translating mics for the English speaking audience.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That explains why they aren't holding them upside-down.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
In Australia you hit a HR by pounding the ball into the ground as hard as you can.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Theriot
would like to know what he can get for a soft groundball to shortstop.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
ryan theriot would like to know how to catch a soft groundball to shortstop
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Good one
o/
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
\o
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
yes, why didn't i turn it on before duh
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Camerawork on a play like that
makes me realize how good this coverage is.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions
would be cool to hear one of these guys call freese's game 6 walk off
brit on dvds was awesome
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/11/1/2530427/one-for-the-brits-and-the-mericans-out-there
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Feb 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes it's my favorite call of that hr ... well tie with joe buck for sentimental reasons then
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I like all of them, and all of them are in the special features of my WS DVD
But my favorite is the only one not in the features (though I only heard it because it is in the DVD itself) and that’s the “oohhh Game 7! An unbeleivable win for the Cardinals!”
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who was that? shannon?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
No, I think it was the ESPN radio guy
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh never mind below
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
i commented on that post actually ... but that was the english guy, was commenting on the aussies calling it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Tied up!
You guys still want Bubbie?
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions
We'll convert him to an OF/2B.
Can certainly do just as well as Skip.
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wait wha????
The Pirates want A.J. Burnett?
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions
You clearly don't follow Old Hoss.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I do.
Oh, I see now. Heh…
Sign Bubbie Buzachero!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 12, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's, like $11 worth of food!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like a lovely little ballpark.
Tiny, but nice for all that. It’s even smaller than where the Rascals play.
I agree with ridgesee, the field could use some work. They probably just don’t have the resources to put into the field and don’t have a great deal of experience maintaining ballfields anyway.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions
i wish....
that holliday had a bit more enthusiasm with the press. he often seems shy, understated, put out, a little surly.
that people used the object pronoun after a preposition, such as “with him and David Freese”
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
Yeah, he should be more like Pujols was with the press.
Oh, wait.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols spoke in cliches
but they were damn good ones. It’s not about my numbers, it’s about the team, blah, blah.
He was surly, but often in defense of the team.
good bull durham stuff
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
Somehow this is better than Holliday?
I don’t remember many Holliday interviews, but he comes off as pretty funny and affable to me.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I am, in fact, not thinking of Berkman.
Holliday’s comments about the moth were great.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm kidding
and I agree about the moth.
Pujols sounded like a leader for the team when he spoke.
Maybe Holliday will grow into it.
And I admit that my impression was formed early when Holliday seemed indifferent—it may have been deer in the headlights rather than indifference.
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
i think he is understated and gave pujols room to be the mang ... when he was the mang in stl
have you heard the radio interviews when he called in to correct a radio sports commentator
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
he being holliday
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I heard about it
but never heard it. I’ll check it out.
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
also potential LOY nominee welcome to the show
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just because
I couldn’t remember my password…..
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
glad you found it, is user name a ref to DanUpBaby?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
and to chuckb
but that shows you it’s an old joke. like Henny Youngman old.
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
take my wife please!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is interesting.
I’ve never believed Pujols to be speaking for the team and always thought he came across as a pretty big asshole.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
concur, but he did do it with cliches
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols 01-11 reminded me of Jordan
I was in Chicago in the 90s and saw 6 Bulls championships.
Jordan was a great leader for the team because he was the best player in the game, had a huge work ethic, and expected to win every single game. When he spoke to the press, he spoke in cliches about how winning and the team were more important than his numbers. He was kind of an asshole too, because he was smug about it.
Pujols filled the same role for the same reasons. His assholeness was the assholeness of the best player in the game saying that he was about winning championships with the team.
I just don’t see Holliday playing this role. Maybe others will enjoy his understatedness. But he’s not engaging the way Berkman or Wainwright is engaging. Berkman and Wainwright are optimistic, funny, and focus on the team when they talk. (Berkman is great at positioning things more broadly—about the Central, about baseball history.) Pujols was certainly a jerk compared to Wainwright and Berkman. No question. But at least he was passionate and focused on the team.
Maybe Holliday is closest to Scott Rolen in personality?
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
I think the Holliday-Rolen comparison seems like a pretty good one
Both fairly quiet but quite funny at times, both seem pretty good-natured and not dickish with the press even though that’s probably not their favorite thing to deal with.
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
you can't be who you aren't and come of like a normal human being ... that said i think a part of
hollidays reserve was to let pujols be the focus…and you cannot keep berkman quiet, not going to happen and i love him for that.
while you are out checking for holliday’s call in to the radio show go find the video where berk accepts the most improved player for the something chapter of the something … very good and very funny
somebody help here can’t find it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I started this as “wish”. He has to be who is he is.
And I care much more about the WAR he puts up for the next 5 years than about his personality…..
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
o/
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
\o
Hi five steal!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks B38 ... arm .... was ... getting ... tired
hey upchuck here’s the deal
i do this o/
you respond with this \o
unless you don’t concur or feel like it of course
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting - I think you're right on with the Pujols/Jordan comparison
Here’s to hoping that Pujols in LA is like Jordan in DC.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with the Jordan/Pujols comparison,
only because Jordan is widely renowned as one the meanest SOB ever to play basketball. He ruled with an iron fist. By most accounts, his teammates were driven more by fear of rebuke than to please Jordan. There are countless examples of him being outwardly hostile and demeaning of teammates. There is the quip to the Sports Illustrated photographer that the Bulls’ centers collectively amount to “twenty-one feet of shit” and him constantly referring to Kwame Brown as a gay slur in practice. There is also this quote from Rare Air:
“Scoring is scoring. If I want to average 32 points a game, I can do that easily. It’s just eight, eight, eight, eight. No problem. I can do that anytime. That’s not being cocky. That’s confidence.”
Pujols would never say anything like that. Pujols would also never give a Hall-of-Fame speech as utterly surreal as Jordan’s basketball Hall-of-Fame speech.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jordan also doesn't tip in restaurants
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
And...
What The F*** is Michael Jordan Wearing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Disagree
He elevated those teams. He may have been an asshole later, but when he was on the 1990s Bulls teams, he elevated them.
BJ Armstrong:
"Obviously, Michael was a fantastic talent," Armstrong said. "But he made a conservative effort to integrate himself within the chemistry of the team. That’s what I remember more than anything, that he was conscious of the team. I think that was right about the time where he really made an effort to hold the team accountable and responsible for the success of the team. Jordan’s transformation in just a few seasons from a young player to someone who had the highest esteem and respect for winning was remarkable.
"He held himself responsible, he held the team responsible, and he held himself accountable at all things," Armstrong added. "That’s what elevated him and us to the next level. Those two words—responsibility and accountability."
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
Apparently
Armstrong believes punching a teammate in the face during practice is integrating one within the chemistry of the team. I’m sorry, but the numerous specific anecdotes of Jordan physically and verbally abusing teammates trumps Armstrong’s vague Crash Davisisms.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wow
I get that you don’t like Jordan. I sure don’t like him enough to defend him so I’ll stop.
My main point was that the public face of Jordan in the 90s and the public face of Pujols in to 00s were similar. MJ may have been the biggest asshole ever. I clearly haven’t heard the stories that have come out since. I also don’t know what stories are told about behavior on the Cardinals. (Where is Brendan Ryan? Oh yeah.)
The most surreal HOF speech I ever saw was from one my true heros: What was Ozzie thinking?
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
One of the best leaders in sport cornered a teammate and threatened to toss him out of the plane.
Petr Nedved, meet Mark Messier. Many leaders are tyrants and arrogant assholes by trade. Patron, MacAurthur, and others.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 8:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Michael Jordan is one of my all-time favorite athletes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Like and respect
If I really dislike someone as a person, I have a hard time liking them as a professional—an athlete, artist, etc. I might be able to say that I respect them, or, more easily, I respect that person’s talents. But I’d have a hard time thinking of that person as a “favorite.”
I can’t see a movie by Roman Polanski or a painting by Paul Gauguin without thinking about their personal lives. And then that affects my perceptions of their art.
"Don’t talk bad and come up and say ‘hi’ to me. That’s stupid."
i quit watching the NBA the second time he retired
and occasionally watched him as a Wizard, after the last time, I havent watched an NBA game since
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
the NBA is extremely compelling right now.
A lot of very positive things working in the league’s favor. I can’t stop watching.
full disclosue:
I’m loving Linsanity. All the draw of the Tebow story without the extra baggage.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Well,
except Jeremy Lin actually has some talent.
He reminds me a lot of young Steve Nash. Not a great shooter, but could get to any spot on the floor and see the whole floor at the same time.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
yeah
me too
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
+1
livin fuzzy in a binary world
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Here's what I want to know:
If the Bulls get beaten in all three of those Finals or lose to the Knicks in the conference finals (and lets remember, those Eastern Finals in ‘92 and ’93 were absolute WARS) does BJ share the same opinion? Or would his opinion be: "You know, this team has a lot of talent, and if Mike wasn’t such a fucking asshole all the time we might actually win some games." Perception is relative to results, especially in sports.
He’s the most talented and driven player ever to play basketball. But he can’t turn it off. I get really tired of everyone defending Jordan and running down Kobe for being “selfish” all the time. It’s unreal to me how hypocritical that statement is. Let’s stop putting Michael Jordan on a pedestal. I’m pretty sure that most players who played with him would much rather have played with Magic, Larry, or Charles. They were infinitely more fun to be around.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I think you will se a different Holliday now that Albert is gone
he’s already made a concerted effort to break the perception of him as shy and unenthusiastic with his radio call ins and reactivating his twitter
and he's made statements that he's ready to step up, he's done it before, etc.
invited a bunch of ml to his training, he’s ready and willing
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Did he have a reputation in Colorado of being a big clubhouse leader, etc.?
Or was he overshadowed by Helton there…?
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
i really don't know al
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
The guy calls in to talk radio stations because he gets bored.
what more do you expect?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Holliday has an extended 'moment' for me
at that was him and Albert carrying a pretty terrible lineup into the playoffs in 09
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
valentine's day:
‘yay’ or ‘nay’
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 12, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Yay (with a caveat)
I like doing something special and out of the ordinary for my wife, even if I acknowledge that the whole thing is a corporate sham. It’s still fun.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m still pushing for March 14th to go mainstream though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
piday
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 12, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
there should absolutely be a national pie day.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of
this one.
probably nsfw, depending on where you work and all.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
We don't need a special day for that....
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be happy with calling it Friday.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yay, it gives me chance to take my wife out somewhere nice
Witjout her worrying about how expensive it is like she normally does
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be interested
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
interested.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 12, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Would be interested.
I think CodyG has me on a wait list for one that he is trying to finalize the roster for.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
i run a league that has several VEB members
search YahooFantasyBaseball for league:
Mustache All-Stars (ID# 6816)
request to join, we’d be happy to have some new managers.
Oh, wait
I had specifically sponsored Mather’s 4/17/2010 (20 inning game) appearance. Brooks Baseball didn’t have individual player cards yet, I don’t think. Ah well, his is sponsored now.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions
update: you got called out by Brooks himself
@thebirdos Sponsored brooksbaseball.net/player_cards/p…. That is awesome.
— Dan Brooks (@brooksbaseball) February 13, 2012
Wait, the losers get sent to the mines to work?
ABL, what exactly are you about?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Well, Australia is a giant penal colony (TWSS)
Winners get a chance to buy their freedom, gladiator style.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
fighting with their penises?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 12, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
is that how it was done?
seemed a different in Papillon
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
The ABL is the precursor to ThunderDome.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
The Running Man game is way different in Australian baseball, the stakes are higher.
Bust a steal, face the wheel.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Suspense!
Drama!
It’s all the rage!
Baseball! Fuck yeah!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
then is should happen soon, the heat is the home team right?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
did the ball park announcer just say "got heeem" when that fly to LF was caught?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
scheduling
was the 2012 schedule put out before the ws ended?
cause i noticed we open in MIA and thats great for them unveiling the new stadium…having the champs come in town
by guillermozeliak on Feb 12, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions
I'm pretty sure we came to the conclusion
that MIA just don’t give a shit.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 3:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think that the opener was announced way before the rest of the schedule was released.
Before the WS.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh ok
i was looking for pricing….on stub hub 100 bucks a piece and i estimate 300 dollar round trip so i’ll probably pass but its tempting to go down their for that game…i have family down there
its wierd they release the opener first and only
by guillermozeliak on Feb 12, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
But what if freese hit's a HR off one of the fish and it's the first one in the new stadium thus going in danups update?
you will hate yourself!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
11 innings
2 pitchers used by Melbourne
2 also by Perth?
TLR is crying.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
3 for Perth (their starter didn't last long.)
But, yeah.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
13 innings yesterday, and only 7 total pitchers used.
9 innings in Game 1, and 3 total pitchers used.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Bubbie buzzes the tower!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Let's do it for the wallaby!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bubbie pitched 21 innings total in the ABL season.
He’s pitched 8 so far in this game.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
And 3.1 yesterday.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
And a nice outing there too.
Guy might actually be earning himself a look (for a minor league deal). Helluva time to be on his game, with everyone watching.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
OH NO BUBBIE...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
hopefully this new guy is not the equivalent of KMak or Boggs!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
How about Marmol?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Feb 12, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
remembers
theriot taking a slider just inside for a walk….ahh the memories
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Wild Pitch for the Championship!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions
anyone else not happy about AJ Burnett possibly a Pirate?
I think he would do well in Pitt, possibly (sigh) twirl a few good games against US
nothing the Pirates do scares me.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's more likely Burnett will walk batters than pitch a good game against us.
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Worst case scenario,
he pitches well and gets traded for prospects at the deadline.
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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
He, along with Bedard, could net the Pirates some pretty good players if they pitch well.
They also could peddle Barmes at the deadline too.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
You mean the Cards win only win those game 2-0?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
The Claxton Shield, up next!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions
This Claxton Shield looks a lot like Jack Buck and Tim McCarver.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
They aren't going to show it?
Fine.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
i was routing for melbourne
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
or rooting as it were
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Which is funny b/c rooting means something else entirely down under.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Given the regular season standings,
it’s surprising this series was as close as it turned out. Perth crushed the rest of the league.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just glad i got to watch some baseball!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
BTW-
They are apparently The ‘Alcohol Think Again’ Perth Heat. Yikes.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
what does that mean? i saw all the advertising on the uni's. is that a campaign that's sponsoring them too?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's their sponsor.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
do our minor league teams have sponsors on uniforms? always seems amateurish to me...of course they are minor leagues
thinking of European football and American mls here
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe so,
but they do in the Venezuela Winter League. Also, in the Mexican League they have so many ads they move the number to the sleeves so the entire back can be advertising space.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
man when players hit the bigs and no advertising they must really feel special
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
So in my visit to the Snake Pit last night I found out that Battle Moses just moved to St. Louis.
So he said we’ll be seeing a lot more of him. Just letting you know.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
He and Red Blazer will become besties.
I can see it now.
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by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny because (I believe) the name comes
From the Great Australian Bight, which Adelaide borders on. A bight is just a long shallow bay. Obscure geography puns ftw!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 12, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also, they've got sharks in those waters.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
And they chew on bats there!
It’s a triple pun!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
You know...
I still fucking love Albert Pujols. There I said it. I’m not ashamed to admit it. In fact, I think I’m going to be pulling for him as an Angel. I may wind up flip-flopping on that part, but right now, I think I’m going to be a fan of his. He’s too awesome at baseball for me to not like him, and I think I’d be doing myself a disservice by rooting against him or trying to hate him. If he had never played for us, but instead played for the Angels all along, I’m sure I’d be a fan of his anyway.
THANK GOD HE DIDN"T GO TO THE CUBS!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely about the Cubs.
I’m going to see how I feel about Pujols during the season. I’m sure to watch more Angels games this year either way.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
if he went to the cubs it would have probably been the worst situation
i do not wish him ill will, but glad it’s not going to be in our face several times a year
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 12, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
See, I never liked him that much in the first place. He was a great, great player who played for the Cardinals, and that's about the extent that I rooted for him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Meh...I really don't care about a player's personality unless he was a dick to me personally
or he beats his wife or some shit like that. Despite his character flaws, he is overall a really good human being that does a lot of good things for charity.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I really don’t care at all about a player’s personality, so my fandom is probably based on talent and style. Pujols definitely had both in spades. Plus he had the god factor.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I had been thinking about doing a "Tribute to Albert" fanpost,
but I don’t think the majority of VEB is ready for that yet. Also, I’m super lazy.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
He took on a kid with Down Syndrome before he had any wealth
Abd he missed the first white house visit to do work in the DR. He’s a very charitable good guy. He’s not the ultimate personable, humble guy in every way all the time but mostly everyone who critiques him with unrealistic expectations for it is typically just as bad or worse. With the exception of Barry Bonds or Fernando Viña or supposedly Bryce Harper, most ballplayers are good guys with differing personalities and people just expect them to be perfect in every way in everyone’s eyes all the time. It’s a little silly but that’s how it is.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Vina? I didn't realized he had an asshole rep.
What’s the story?
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
He goes out of his way to run over frogs
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 12, 2012 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just scared my dogs by laughing at this
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My stepmom is very involved with Cardinals Care and I've also met the secretary go the President of Cardinals Care because her boyfriend is in my wife's class at Logan
And there are a lot of stories of stupid crap from Viña. Let’s put it this way, most players do charitable things for charity, Viña just expects them to be an oppurtunity to have his ass kissed, and not just a little.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, that qualifies him for being a dick.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
/not sarcasm
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you.
He was so good he got away with a lot of stuff because he was so good. It’ll be nice to see so much special treatment for one player be a thing of the past.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
give me an example of something Pujols "got away with?"
I find this whole revisionist argument that Pujols was some kind of asshole to be ridiculous.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
*calls for hit and run*
Out
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 4:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd be more interested to know how often he did this before making a judgement on it.
How often did he do it and it worked? These questions will never be answered.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Never staying to talk to the media?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Never? C'mon, thats BS.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
yes, someone not wanting to talk to Joe Strauss and Brian Burwell makes them an asshole
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep using the word asshole in this conversation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
brian K said "got away with"
I assumed that meant personality, although apparently he thinks Pujols was overrated as a player.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how you got from "Pujols gets away with certain things that other players don't" to "Pujols is an asshole" but okay
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
what else would "getting away with stuff" mean?
It’s either performance or personality.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It means you do certain things that other players don't
You are really not fun to talk to sometimes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm asking what Brian K means by special treatment
he’s clearly implying the treatment covers up negative acts.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you on this
If we’re talking about a player supposedly “getting away with” something, that clearly implies that he is allowed to do things that other players aren’t. And if we’re complaining about those things, that means they are bad things. So “asshole” might be a little strong, but it fits.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think the 2 things people complain about are:
Jogging to first on groundballs
Staring down homeruns (and sometimes flyouts)
These are relatively minor offenses, that can be ignored when a player puts up massive production like Albert did for his entire career.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not forget that self-called hit and run disaster with Allen Craig.
(Tongue in cheek)
this has already been mentioned,
but like I said earlier, how often did this happen and work? And if it would’ve worked no one would have questioned it.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
and that's not an example of getting away with something
if he is already allowed to do it.
Grit != flat out sucking.
*Sees Oquendo give the stop sign*
Out at home
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Pujols was one of the best baserunners in the game
FanGraphs rates him +17 runs over his career so far.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
"Sees Oquendo give the stop sign"
Safe at home.
Happened all the time.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
that isn't so much getting way with something
than it is having a longer rope.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Clearly someone with your handle will be open to the idea of Pujols being a dick.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 5:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Look I don't give a shit about his personality
He’s obviously not a dick as he’s given more money to charity than you will make in 30 lifetimes. He also adopted a kid with down syndrome, which I’m guessing is better than anything you’ve ever done in your life.
You implied that he’s gotten special treatment, which is no doubt true. I’m asking what things have people looked beyond that make Pujols such a dick.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when Pujols went to the media with his thoughts on his teammate Rasmus?
That was classy.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Umm...Rasmus kinda deserved that.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, I'm in a quandry here
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly a thing for his teammate to decide.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't think Albert was really out of line.
It may have been better to not say the things he said to the media, but what he actually said was perfectly acceptable.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
i think he was understandibly out of line
Pujols didn’t go to the media. The media came to him and asked him what he thought about Rasmus asking to be traded. Pujols reacted to the question and gave an honest answer. The right thing would have been to fall back on his cliches and not given an answer.
But I by no means hold it against Pujols. He isn’t a machine.
Grit != flat out sucking.
But I by no means hold it against Pujols. He isn’t a machine.
Yeah, he’s not a maching, he jus Alber
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right...
because if a super rich guy gives 10% of his 9 figure net worth to charity he must be a good person.
And kudos for adopting a kid with down’s, but, frankly, if you have endless funds for nannies, a wife who is a stay-at-home mom, and a job that keeps you on the road from February 15th to October plus assorted winter responsibilities, you’re not actually sacrificing anything by taking on the kid.
Sign Roy O
I don't when sacrafice became snynomous with good
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
are you seriously implying that Albert isn't really a part of this kid's life?
WTF?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it's all relative...
compared to the level of involvement most people have in their kids’ life, any ballplayer is going to have a lot less day to day involvement. Just look at the schedule and work hours.
Of course it’s not wrong to be a ballplayer with kids, but compared to what most of us deal with, giving a baseball player with a stay at home wife and a nanny special props for his parenting or a “Dad of the year” award is kind of perverse.
Sign Roy O
No one is giving him Dad of the year...
The fact that he adopted a child with DS was being used as an example of his good character.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
the down syndrome factor has to be taken into account
yes, the average parent sacrifices much more than Pujols due to the disparity in resources, but Pujols is getting much less back from the kid because he is never going to be able to reciprocate feelings in the same way.
Also, sacrafice shouldn’t be synonymous with good. The kids life is still getting better.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but when assessing the character of a rich guy...
you can’t just look at the absolute amount of good deeds done because it’s much easier for rich people to do them. That’s why you look for some sign of sacrifice. Is he willing to endure hardship to do good? In the case of Pujols I really have no idea.
Sign Roy O
Dude, you should familiarize yourself more with what Albert actually does for charity.
He is very actively involved with DS and working in the Dominican Republic helping poor people. He’s not just sending checks.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
it's still positive any way you look at it
he could instead be using the money to buy an airplane. the fact that he’s giving to charity and adopting a kid is a positive act, and I would argue that its much more positive than any perceive slights on the media or rasmus or whatever that he’s had are negatiuve.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
this really isn't the direction you should be going with....
But Pujols “took on” the kid before he was rich.
Grit != flat out sucking.
yes this is accurate..
Also, I recall him saying something about quitting baseball if he didn’t make it the majors after a season or 2 in the minors. That might have been BS, but he certainly wasn’t making squat as a minor league baseball player that was taken in the 13th round of the draft.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
You know he adopted the kid before he had much money, right?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think sacrificing is
synonymous with being good
i completely agree with you guazimi
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
so if a man on his death bed gives all of his money to charity
he’s not doing any good, because he’s not sacrificing anything.
Right?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
how is that NOT sacrificing?
it wouldve beeen divided in his estate so instead he gives it to a better cause
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
okay fine, if a dying man donates his heart to someone else
he’s not sacrificing anything.
The point is sacrifice is not a necessary condition for doing good.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
You're actually right
Not all good necessarily includes a sacrifice. There is mutually beneficial good, for example. I have sandwich that I don’t want. You have some apple juice that you don’t want. We trade. We both benefit. Good has been done but neither one of us really sacrificed anything.
Whether or not a sacrifice necessarily implies good being done is a different question.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
how bout
staring at every hr ball…some guys get drilled for the extent he did it
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
This
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's a sanctimonious douchebag...
I hate how he watched every fly ball, the way he appointed himself guardian of “the right way to play,” the sour, surly temperment… bleh. Great hitter though.
Sign Roy O
do you mean respect for him as a person?
I see no reason to not respect him as a player.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. i've been out of it today.
i just found everything around his decision disappointing, especially since he basically left STL without saying a lot other than ‘thanks’. at least respect us.
may I politely suggest that it's a terrible idea to
Try to determine, based on media reports, whether somebody is a nice guy? I mean, obviously there may be some disqualifiers (murders nurses) that everyone can agree on.
And we can agree on some nice things (giving to charity), but those acts may not make one a nice person.
Anyway, engaging in a conversation where one side lists all the allegedly negative things he’s done and the other lists all the allegedly positive things he’s done seems like a waste of time. None of us really know him. He could be a jerk who gives to charity, or a great guy who just likes to watch home runs.
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by tom s. on Feb 12, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
go to hell
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I just think the arguments for him for being a jerk (being surly to the media, staring at flyballs, and not kissing our asses on his way out of town), pale in comparisons to the arguments for being a good person.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, this
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I still love Albert Pujols too
Not in some pathetic emotional way. He’s not the ex-girlfriend that I’m still in love with and that I call all the time. He was a fantastic baseball player who brought me years of joy as a fan. Because of that a significant part of my fandom was tied up in his performance. I want him to continue that performance and go down in history as one of the very best players ever. If that means he has to do well with the Angels then so be it.
I know we say “root for the laundry” all the time, but, well, players are the ones who wear the laundry. Sometimes a player comes along that is so special that I just don’t care whether or not he “betrayed” us by not agreeing to play for my favorite team his entire career. Call me crazy.
How many fans get to say, without a moment’s hesitation and without a smidgen of possible argument against it, that our team had the privilege of watching the best player in the game, a player whose quality only comes around once or twice a generation? Not very many. We did.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I've been wanting to say this, too.
You did it really well.
i took a picture of him down from
my wall…i really don’t care about pujols anymore, i dont wish him ill will, but someone said along the lines…“i miss the player, not the person”
i miss the opportunity to pay to see him play that is the biggest loss….but i appreciate the fact i can still pay to watch carp and waino pitch and molina and holliday play
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Can someone tell me what these two lines mean?
And for myself mine own worth do define,
As I all other in all worths surmount.
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/62.html
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Well, my opinion is that that 'do' is a typo for 'so' ...
And in my private opinion they [my face, my shape, my truth] determine the extent of my own value to be equivalent to the extent by which I surpass everybody else in every [category of] value.
alright, now how about the couplet at the end
’Tis thee, myself, that for myself I praise,
Painting my age with beauty of thy days.
Is he just saying that because he thinks he’s intrinsically beautiful, he’s going to think of himself in his youth even when he’s old?
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's talking to someone else there. The first "myself" in that line
is the lover, and he’s uniting himself with them and their youth his age.
I think, anyway. If alberich disagrees, trust alberich. I’m not terribly good or familiar with Shakespeare.
Could the someone else just be his reflection in the mirror?
It wouldn’t surprise me that he ended up talking to a lover, because that’s what most of these sonnets are about, but there doesn’t seem to be any previous mention of a lover. And that would seem to fit in more with the previous lines of intrinsic, definitional worth.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so.
He’s just said that the reflection in his mirror is old and ugly — he’s contrasting these to a ‘thou’ who is (art?) young and beautiful.
this. And as far as no previous mention of a lover,
you have to look at these things as part of a larger cycle, in which, a love is most definitely mentioned.
yeah that makes sense, thanks
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
so, in APA, is the citation (afink, personal communication, 2012)
or do you cite the URL?
by peach concrete on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I figured it out myslef
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
afink's got it
It’s you — who ,because I love you, are me — whom I praise in praising myself, thus applying the beauty of your youth to my [otherwise repulsive] age.
I don’t know Shakespeare’s sonnets at all well. Don’t like em.
it's been a long time since I read shakespeare's sonnets
But wasn’t there a continuing theme in which the “lover” was often shakespeare’s talent with words? Shakespeare’s appearance may be unappealing, but because he is “clad” in the beauty of his own work, he seems beautiful?
Is “myself” shakespeare’s work?
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by tom s. on Feb 12, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I define my own value
fuck all the haters.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Feb 12, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Will Rec this when I get to a computer
If I remember
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 12, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reading Ben Badler's post on Andres Serrano
Sure sounds like a Dominican Shelby Miller to me.
Mid-90’s fastball with an above average curveball at age 17. 6’3", 190 with long arms?
Not sure what “projectable” is referring to in this case: He can’t fill out much more on his frame I would imagine (unless he’s pudgy). Maybe the secondary pitches or his mechanics need tuning up?
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
well he's 17, so I assume that's the extent of his projectibility
He should be able to add secondary pitches and command and stuff.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
He might still grow as well
I have a buddy who was 6-3 on his 17th birthday, and 6-5 by his 19th
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 12, 2012 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was just like that!
Well, subtract a foot. Oh, who am I kidding, I didn’t grow after my 17th birthday.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Considering how much Mike Shannon loves Major League
I project he will have a lot of fun if he’s still broadcasting when he makes it to the majors.
Can't fill out 6'3 190?
Even someone like Kyle Lohse, who isn’t what I would call “built” is 6’2 210. 210 is probably the average for a 6’3 pitcher, which would leave him 20 pounds to put on.
Not afraid to nitpick
Albert Bashing
Wow, the man is gone a couple months and suddenly he’s Beezlebub. Can we just say he was a great player with a complicated personality and leave it at that?
“….for we are none of us good nor evil, black nor white, but rather shades of gray, striving to be on the better side of the angels…”
Now, who’s up for doughnuts? Let’s see a show of hands.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
The jilted lover thing may take a while to wear off for some people (if ever)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hell hath no fury like a fanbase scorned.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
that's pretty much where I am with it.
Grass is always greener, etc. As far as I’m concerned, he’s no longer a card, so eff him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 12, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As long as we're in Shakespearean mode:
Use every man after his deserts and which of us shall scape whipping?
No matter what your old hag of an English teacher may try to tell you,
appreciation of iambic pentameter won’t help you get girls.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 5:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Your motherer!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 12, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Word to your mothererer.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I was a bit of an actor myself
which surprises people. I think most girls involved with drama are thrilled to have some guys more interested in them than other guys from time to time.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 7:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hear, hear!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 13, 2012 1:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am a Pu. Hath not a Pu eyes? Hath not a Pu hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal’d by the same means, warm’d and cool’d by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Just curious
How many among us have dealt with somebody who’s not a baseball player and is as rich as Albert, or richer?
I have, and from both what I observed and what I heard from the person’s minders, being that rich imposes a certain personality weirdness on one, just by dint of being rich. It’s almost impossible to know what they’re like, because they put on this emotional body armor without which the glad-handers just eat them alive. I would imagine that’s true with rich athletes as with those who’ve made their fortunes some other way.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Feb 12, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
"The very rich are different from the rest of us." -- Fitzgerald
“Yeah, they have more money.” — Hemingway
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
That's a fantastic quote but unfortunately I discovered that it didn't really happen that way
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:F._Scott_Fitzgerald
Hemingway is responsible for a famous misquotation of Fitzgerald’s. According to Hemingway, a conversation between him and Fitzgerald went:
Fitzgerald: The rich are different than you and me.
Hemingway: Yes, they have more money.
This never actually happened; it is a retelling of an actual encounter between Hemingway and Mary Colum, which went as follows:
Hemingway: I am getting to know the rich.
Colum: I think you’ll find the only difference between the rich and other people is that the rich have more money.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
dammit
well, then, at least we’ll always have this:
Reporter: “Babe, how do you feel about making more money than President Hoover?”
Babe: “Why not? I had a better year than Hoover.”
If that one is an urban myth, i will stick my head in an oven….
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Lunhow interested in Kazmir.
•Free agent Scott Kazmir is set to throw for scouts in Houston on Wednesday, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions
hmm...re-reading that, I guess that doesn't imply that he's throwing for the Astros.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's a local from down here.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I choose to believe that this is all confusion from
Luhnow saying how much he liked the led zepplin song “kashmir” and he has no interest in scott kazmir.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jim Edmonds doesn't have a B-Ref sponsor.
Why???
If VEB wants to do it, it’s $225. If 10 of you want to send me $20, or 20 of you $10 via paypal or the mail, I’ll spot $25 and make VEB the sponsor with an agreed-upon message.
Chris Carpenter doesn’t either, but that’s almost $600. Phooey.
I'm game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Just make sure the saying has something in it about half-shirts and frosted tips
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Where shall I send it, el Finkarino?
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
1000 Patterson Place
Eugene Oregon, Room Number 529.
Thanks
-Fink
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
50 anchovy and pineapple pizzas on the way!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
that actually sounds delicious
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
VEP
Are you a Duck? I have a relative matriculating in McMinnville.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I am
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
oh man...."Patterson" Place?
Last year must’ve been difficult
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I love Corey Patterson
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 12, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
WANT!
http://www.whosay.com/jonjay/photos/129348
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 7:11 PM EST reply actions
Other photos in that stream
2 of Torty. Not sure if people posted them when they went up (Feb. 5th, apparently)
That doesn't sound very fair.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
If they wanted fair, they shouldn't have committed those heinous penalties.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
They're sharks.
They cannot help it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
However, I've heard if you punch them in the nose they go away.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I mean, delay of game? Those animals!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Heinous, indeed.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Cards sign 17 yr old dominican LHP
Per MLBTR.
by mick311 on Feb 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
17 year old Dominican pitchers are the new market inefficiency?
Hurtado’s fastball sat in the 86-88mph range last summer as the July 2 free agency deadline approached, but Badler writes that he’s recently begun to sit in the high 80s and has even topped out in the 90-91mph range. While he’s still raw, Badler explains that Hurtado shows “some feel” for his curveball and has also mixed in a changeup.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
...
Hurtado, who is from Santo Domingo, is 6-foot-3, 200 pounds
His trainer was a man known as Lucas.
Okaaaaay.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
he gained 21 pounds since his weigh-in last year
http://academiainternacionaldebeisbol.com/wordpress/?p=248
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Oh Lucas!
Well in that case he must be well trained. That Lucas dude knows what he’s doing.
by mick311 on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He really took the lid off this prospect.
by a fink on Feb 12, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice work.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I know my audience.
Did anyone make any jokes about Andres Serrano’s namesake yesterday? Maybe a Piss Musial photoshop or something?
Yep.
Both peppery and Haysberty angles were covered.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
Lucas keeps insisting on CGing the hell out of Hurtado's publicity videos
even though everybody knows it just makes the kid look more fake. It would be better off with puppets.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm all for these signings though...
I’d much rather see us pick up a few young latin prospects over giving guys like Cora and Linebrink minor league deals.
by mick311 on Feb 12, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, yeah.
I love these signings.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
haven't we done both?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
They're not mutually exclusive.
There’s only so much first-rate Latin talent out there.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
is this even news? I just found a message board that dates back to june 30th that said we signed him.
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another signing on the same thread I found
Jose Godoy C (V) Signed by the Cardinals for $200,000
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Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
nevermind, that signing was already reported.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
Another 5 on 3!
Let’s go Blues!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Perron is on fire!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice setup on that powerplay.
Tons of patience, yeoman’s work from the captain.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 8:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Perron now 4th on the team in scoring despite missing 24 games.
24 points in 30 games puts him on a pace to tally about 65 points over a full season. What a great comeback.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Such heinousness
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
I am hoping the Cardinals have enough "intel"
that knows Oswalt will eventually sign at their price. All signs point to him wanting to play for us—-the friendship with Berkman has to help. I also wonder if he’s buddies with Linebrink via Roy’s good friend Peavy……maybe reaching here but I hope this Roy’s signature finally finishes this puzzle.
Don't see too many empty net goals that I would describe as pretty,
but that was pretty.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Cardinals awards/honors...
Carlos Beltran – 6 All-star games, Rookie of the Year, 3 Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers
Lance Berkman – 6 AS games, Comeback Player of the Year
Chris Carpenter – 3 AS games, Cy Young Award, Comeback Player of the Year (also has a 2nd and 3rd place finish for Cy Young)
David Freese – NLCS MVP, World Series MVP
Rafael Furcal – 2 AS games, Rookie of the Year
Matt Holliday – 5 AS games, 4 Silver Sluggers, ’07 NLCS MVP (also finished 2nd in MVP in ’07)
Yadier Molina – 3 AS games, 4 Gold Gloves
Adam Wainwright – 1 AS game, Gold Glove (also finished 2nd and 3rd in CY Young voting)
Jake Westbrook – 1 AS game
Just for fun:
Roy Oswalt – 3 AS games, ’05 NLCS MVP, (2nd in ROY voting to Albert Pujols, also has finished 3rd in CY Young voting)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions
also,
Jaime Garcia finished 3rd in ROY voting.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Would another nice season and WS win for Carp in 2012
Make him a HOFer? Or no way?
by mick311 on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have a shot.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
He's really only had, what...4 great seasons and 4 good seasons?
If he had been dominate in Toronto and hadn’t missed all that time due to injuries, he’d probably be right around Roy Halladay’s level.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
looks good on paper...reminds me of
baylor’s current basketball team….all of them are suppossed to go high in the nba draft…and yet they’ve suffered two big losses recently
lets hope we are injury free
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Last time McDonald played, Payne was still coach.
Hadn’t thought of that.
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 12, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions
Shameless plug:
For anyone following my series of best Cardinals ever, my father gave me the idea to add a “best manager” post so I did.
VEBers:
If you have not been following stlfan’s fanposts evaluating greatest Cardinals by position, you should do yourself a favor and check them out. They would be great reading anytime, but are especially appreciated during the dark days of February.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes they are awesome!
thanks stlfan
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
I've been watching hockey for 23 years,
and I just now learned that the +/- stat only applies to even strength play.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions
You can still get a minus if you're on the powerplay and they get a shorty.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 9:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ah..I just figured it was self explanatory.
“+” for being on ice during goal for, “-” for being on ice during goal against. I had no idea before 30 minutes ago that there was anything else to it.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I see your reasoning.
But boy that would suck if you were a dedicated penalty killer.
by openside on Feb 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, the way it's done makes a lot of sense.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...those 90's players like
Bob Bassen, Rich and Ron Sutter, and Rich Wilson woulda still been amazing, even if +/- went against PKers!
I believe it was Ron Wilson
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cubs focused on Soler
The Cubs, meanwhile, are willing to spend as much as $27.5MM to land Soler
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
What an incredibly arbitrary number
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They'd spend $30 million
but they’ve got $2.5 wrapped up in Kyle McCl….wait, nevermind.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. - Joe Posnanski
More on Soler
Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus broke the initial rumors. “(Soler) profiles as a very classic right-field profile on a scouting level,” Goldstein told MLB Network Radio. “He’s a big, athletic kid. He ran well for scouts. He ran a 6.7 60 for them the other week, which is above average. At his age and his size, that’s not going to last. He just doesn’t look like a guy that’s going to stay fast. What he’s going to be is a right fielder who’s gonna hit for power. He’s gonna throw well, hit home runs. That’s going to be his job. Big, big kid. Broad shoulders, tons of raw power. He’s a very exciting player.” Initial estimates have Soler’s asking price in the $20 million range
Remember when Soler was a shortstop?
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Book shows that the #3 hitter should be the worst of the top 5 in the batting lineup.
So let’s ask Matheny very nicely to bat Holiday 4th or 2nd instead of 3rd.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
Interesting that The Book agrees with TLR on hitting the pitcher 8th.
A rough sketch of what the Cards lineup should look like according to The Book?
Jay
Beltran
Freese
Holliday
Berkman
Greene
Molina
Furcal
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Jay shouldn't be hitting leadoff,
but I like the way the rest of the lineup sits, so it was the only place to put him.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Your right,
And actually if you are going by this set of rules, wouldn’t it actually make sense to bat Yadi leadoff?
I know it sounds crazy but if he can on at .349 like he did last year, it makes sense. He would come up with the least amount of runners on, so less GIDP possibilities. He fits best (out of what we have) into the ‘high OBP without a lot of power’ mold. The Book also doesn’t seem to value speed in the leadoff spot either.
by mick311 on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So for fun lets say Beltran were in CF, Craig in RF...
I’d say,
Freese
Beltran
Craig
Holliday
Berkman
Greene
Molina
Furcal
by mick311 on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how much better is hating on skip/kmac than franklin/batista?
2012 is going to be awesome
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 12, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hating Skip Schumaker bench player isn't the same as hating Skip Schumaker the everyday second baseman.
I still don’t think K-Mac will be around to start the season. For these 2 reasons I present to you your 2012 Official Whipping Boys of VEB:………………Jake Westbrook & J.C. Romero.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
no disagreement here on romero
apparently i’m in the extreme minority though because i think westbrook will have a bounce back year. last year westbrooks biggest problem was theriot and schumaker behind him. i don’t really see him being all that worse than oswalt
wooooo 2012
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think Westy will have a solid year too
He’s not a whipping boy.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
They actually both project to be above replacement level
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
So since it's slow - I give you probably nexdef'd old news and new news about Jose Canseco..
Loses boxing match to 60 year old fat guy: (Kids, this is why you should save your money)
http://larrybrownsports.com/boxing/jose-canseco-fight-video-loses-60-year-old-gary-hogan/24047
Signs with Mexican League team:
http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/jose_canseco_signs_with_cancun_team_in_mexican_league/9882829?linksrc=foxrg_mlb
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions
I don't even like making fun of Canseco
It’s just so pointless. The man’s really depressed.
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Next week is the last episode of Downton Abbey until at least September.
How sad
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well, technically the second series ended today on PBS in America.
They are showing the Christmas Special next week. Series 3 just began being shot in the UK, and has a preliminary airtime of September. Not sure of that is just in the UK, or everywhere.
Also, Shirley MacClaine is going to play Cora’s mom. Cannot wait to see the interplay between her and Maggie Smith.
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You bet, that should fun to see.. Think the bards will be flying, or will they mutually respect
each other and try to get along?
Which series had the flu epidemic? I thought that was series 2.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
It is
It was shown last night here in the US
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 7:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, and I think the barbs will be flung at a high rate of speed
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 13, 2012 7:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This show any good?
My mom watches it. What is it about?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 13, 2012 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say give it try, it's not for everyone, but it's worth the time to watch it,
Downton Abbey is one high quality show, and highly addictive, I was drawn in like instantly. It has a number of story arcs, but the main 2 arcs are about the aristocratic family, the Crawley’s and their house staff. Takes place in early 20th century and I think the last series is up to 1919 or 1920 or so. It’ has a nice slow plodding pace, the acting is just top notch, and the scenes at Downton Abbey are just breathtaking.
I hope someone who has been following the show can elaborate on it more than I can.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
If you're lucky it's only a few days long.
by openside on Feb 13, 2012 1:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I have an idea!
Watch a few clips at PBS.org. Then decide.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 13, 2012 1:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
its definitely period ... but what's to lose, give it look
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
I would be interested to know if you like it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 13, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
presuming we don't sign oswalt, who gets 5th starter role if someone gets hurt
lynn, miller, kmac, or other?
and we won the world series.
kmac, then lynn, and then rzep/boggs
Not what I would choose, but what I think would most likely happen
by hr on Feb 13, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Me too.
It eill be interesting to see how Matheny plays it. Who knows, if Kmac starts in the pen he may stay there all year like in 2009, when he was probably the best option we had but we decided to pick up Suppan. I guess now he actually has experience starting games so its different….but with Romero likely taking a BP spot to start the year away from Lynn or Boggs, I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan is to pitch one of them out of the rotation in Memphis and stretch them out as the 6th starter while having Kmac stay put in the pen, just so guys aren’t having to contantly change roles from reliever to starter.
by mick311 on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My guess (read: hope) is that the bullpen will be so awesome they don't want to break it up
So Dickson/Additon if it’s a spot start
and
Lynn if it’s for a while.
OR
Some combination of the three.
oh, you'll be fine
hope the jetlag clears up for you quickly, good luck :)
by hr on Feb 13, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
how long is that flight?
i think heard india is like 10 hours…i cant take being couped up in a plane that long
by guillermozeliak on Feb 13, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
snap
starting my super intense month long training to learn to teach english tomorrow, so I’m right there on the nervous train with ya.
Where you going?
The worst part about the flying is that you’ll be really tired later.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You'll be just fine, my first number of flights and couldn't sleep well the night before, then
got to point where I was able to sleep pretty good.
Where u flying out from?
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 AM EST reply actions
You are the worst at replying
I’m leaving out of OHare in Chicago, btw
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
whats that in your pants
we’re gonna need a full body pat down in the side room.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I know it's not intentional it's just the way it happens and the way I'm seeing the screen.
but sounds like you will have a pretty good time, I was always one to pack at the last minute though.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
where to?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
aber ich spreche Viennisch nicht
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Caption win.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
ok, hollywood, I can suspend my disbelief for
Space travel, lasers, spy capers, etc. But who thought I’d believe that attractive women would fall in love with seth rogen (zack and miri, knocked up).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Because he's funny. It's a real thing.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think the girlfriend at the beginning of pinnapple express is more ridiculous
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, she's in hs and he's an older dude.
There’s a lot more going on here than looks guys.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but rogan's an asshole on top of his goony appearances
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
In Pineapple Express?
I thought he was more screw-up than asshole? Point is, she’s a silly hs girl getting into trouble with an older dude. It’s not like the movie is suggesting he was attractive to a smart woman his own age with career prospects or something.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
It's not the age of the girl that makes it unrealistic, it's the attractiveness.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm saying the fact that she's young and thus less than wise is a mitigating factor.
It subtracts from her attractiveness and keeps her from being out of his league.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
...not that hard to find in HS
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Also, that's exactly the scenario in knocked up
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
Except that in Knocked Up, she's pregnant...
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
With his kid. Different scenario entirely.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
KG's 101 Prospects is up now.
Free for everyone too, I think
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Cards on the list
Shelby 10
Oscar 23
Carlos 31
Matt 69
Kolten 88
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Matt?
You need a break from VEB?
by mattyfrommo on Feb 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
the joey bombs sponsorship on brooksbaseball...
bwhahaha
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 AM EST via Android app reply actions
context
http://brooksbaseball.net/player_cards/player_card.php?player=458628
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Slightly disappointed that his player card
only has 24 pitches, but the game he actually pitched in lists 30. Also, the game page has him throwing knuckleballs. Knuckleballs!
Retire #52!
by The Continental on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Sandy Alderson's humor
Will have to drive carefully on trip; Mets only reimburse for gas at a downhill rate. Will try to coast all the way to FL.
— Sandy Alderson (@MetsGM) February 12, 2012
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 7:14 AM EST reply actions
and another
Prepping for trip. Bought 4 like-new tires at chop shop across from Citi. He threw in free wiper fluid. Better than the Wheeler deal!
— Sandy Alderson (@MetsGM) February 10, 2012
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 13, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
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