Wednesday Morning Discussion Thread: The Red Menace or Barbarish Brewers?
by the red baron on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 AM EST
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Okay, first off, you should all stop worrying. I will be using the full force of my unleashed magic baron powers to ensure Roy Oswalt will be signed today. It's a Wednesday, I won't be around much, and there is a potential bit of news in the works. Come on, universe, don't let me down.
Third, I have absolutely no time at the moment for a full post. Now, ordinarily that sentence would indicate an 1800 word manuscript after the jump, as I tend to write far more when I'm strapped for time than I do on an ordinary day, but not this time. This time I really do need to keep this short, so that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Here is your discussion topic for the day, gentle readers:
The Cardinals look, at this moment, to be the strongest team in the NL Central. The loss of Albert Pujols certainly hurts, but the return of Adam Wainwright, plus the value of Carlos Beltran, has largely served to mitigate the falloff. The projections mostly see the Cards as a 90-92 win team, and that feels pretty accurate to me. They aren't far and away the best team in the division, mid-2000s style, but they are a very strong squad on paper.
I see the NL Central as a three-team race in 2012. The Cubs are still in the early stages of their rebuilding process, the Astros aren't going to be good until they've long since bid the NL adieu, and the Pirates, while intriguing, don't look like serious contenders just yet. They may make it to .500, but I don't think they're making any real noise in the division race this year.
So that leaves the Cincinnati Reds and the Brewers from The Good Land. The Brewers were the cream of the crop last year in the Central (until the playoffs, that is; suck it, Milwaukee!), while the Reds fell off from their 2010 pace to finish third. The Reds went out and picked up Mat Latos and Ryan Madson, while the Brewers lost Prince Fielder and a third of Ryan Braun. On paper the Brewer rotation is still better, with Yovani Gallardo and Zack Greinke still forming a remarkably potent one-two, but I do worry about Shaun Marcum going forward. The Reds have Latos and Johnny Cueto, but are also paying Bronson Arroyo an enormous amount of money to watch his chorus line leg kick and 82 mph meatballs.
Here's the question: which of those two teams are you more afraid of? The projections will tell you the Brewers are still a hair better than the Reds -- though I haven't seen any projections yet which specifically have Braun missing 50 games -- but I'm not so sure. Personally I fear the Reds a bit more, largely because I think Jay Bruce is going to have a big year. Not necessarily basing that on anything; call it a gut feeling. I also think Homer Bailey takes a step forward this season. He'll never be the ace we all thought he would be coming up, I don't believe, but I think he could be a solid 2.5-3.0 WAR starter if he could just get his home run rate under control. Of course, pitching in the Great American Bandbox doesn't really help on that front.
So that's my two cents. I think the Reds, not the Brewers, present the biggest threat to a Cardinal return to the playoffs in 2012. Really, it wouldn't take much good or bad to move the needle on any of these teams, as I think all three are fairly closely matched.
What do you think?
Next week I'll have another batch of scouting reports, and the week after that we'll do a Spring Training kickoff chat thread. Take care.
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Trying to be objective...
…But I still don’t see how any team in the division is close to the Cards. Brewers are better than Reds (still), but they will not win 88. Cards will win 95 to 100.
by RedAllOver on Feb 1, 2012 5:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I like your optimism
but they don’t feel like a hundred-win team to me. All of the projections, and my own back-of-the-napkin figuring seem to put them around 92.
I think 95 is possible, but still optimistic. I would predict more like 90 wins, to take the division by 3 games.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with your back-of-the-napkin figuring of 92.
Does this include Oswalt?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how this happened.
I meant to ask if your 92 wins included Oswalt or not.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
not sure how what happened?
You did ask if it included Oswalt. . .
I agree with your back-of-the-napkin figuring of 92.
Does this include Oswalt?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I got SBN'd.
All of my comments showed up on my screen twice with only the subject line and no body text. Then, I closed my window and came back to find my comments appeared as normal. I wasn’t sure how that formatting problem happened on my comments. As they appeared on my screen, the question about Oswalt didn’t appear, so I re-posted it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I saw that below
but I recall seeing a similar instance with you earlier and was wondering if this was a bgh specific problem. Apparently it isn’t since below some others have chimed in that it has been happening to them as well.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not including Oswalt.
If they sign Oswalt, and assuming they move McClellan, that would assume Westbrook moves to the bullpen to replace McClellan. I’m not convinced there’s a significant difference between McClellan/Westbrook in the bullpen, so I’d call that a 0 WAR wash either way.
Then, replacing Westbrook with Oswalt, assuming no injuries, and that Oswalt bounces a bit from last season, I’d say adds 1-3 wins to 92.
I’m by no means good at SABR stuff; I just came up with these numbers by basic fuzzy WAR arithmetic.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Meant to say
Oswalt = 92+1 to 3 wins… so I think adding Oswalt and moving McClellan would give them a pretty good chance of 95 wins. I still wouldn’t bet on it.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're underestimating how bad McClellan is.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Might be right.
McClellan was worth .5 WAR in 143 innings last year. Westbrook was worth 0 WAR in 183.
I think that it’s reasonable to say that McClellan was pretty lucky, and Westbrook’s numbers were hurt by Yakkety Sax behind him at SS for half the season. I’m just not sure how much of a difference it’ll make. If anything, assuming Westbrook will be a significantly better bullpen pitcher than McClellan makes my numbers a bit conservative.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
What are you basing WAR on?
Fangraphs has Westbrook at 1.1 WAR and McClellan at -0.6 overall.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was using B-R.
I know, I know. It’s only because I was quick-figuring, and I know the site better.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
B-R includes luck.
Fangraphs is pretty much always preferable for pitcher WAR.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I think it's a good idea to call it a wash.
K-Mac has definitely proven better out of the pen so it’s difficult to compare their numbers as starters when either would be pitching from the bullpen in this scenario
...
K-Mac has definitely proven better out of the pen
His statistical performance would say the opposite of this. His FIP and xFIP were much better as a starter last year than as a reliever. That is why had .3fWAR as a starter, and -.9fWAR as a reliever.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
There's a pattern to those numbers that makes me uncomfortable...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
it's that the 0.2 is missing
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So is the 0.0, -0.1, -0.2, -0.3, -0.4, & -0.5 between the 0.1 and the -0.6.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
And how would that history "definitely prove" that Kmac was better out of the pen?
By my count, that’s .3 fWAR in 104 innings as a starter, and -.1 fWAR in 254 innings as a reliever.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 1, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Bailey probably just needs to use his Christian name, David
Get a little more separation between him and any Homers or variations thereof (GIVE UP MOAR DINGERS!!!!).
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I like to think he's just a big fan of "the human comedy"
and refuses to bend his mid-century literary tastes to the whims of baseball vernacular.
As in
“that based ball I just pitched is going on an odyssey”?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Now I am confused. Which mid-century are we talking about?
20th AD? 8th BC? 14th AD? That last would be the divine comedy, rather than the human one.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Well, I got confused, too
having never read Saroyan’s book, I went to the Greek version…although there are apparently a lot of connections between the two.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I was just messing around
I have never even read The Human Comedy.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You mean mid-millenium?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I've decided not to worry about it
and just see how the season starts to take shape.
Then I can start worrying.
Cards fan in Middle East
Red legs
They are one of those weird teams I could see hitting 75 wins or 100, and not be surprised.
Is braun definitely suspended?
Have they decided on the appeal?
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 7:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No decision on the appeal has been issued.
Some think it may take until Spring Training.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
SBN'd
I read an article that quoted anonymous MLB sources as believing a decision may not come until Spring Training is underway.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what happend.
All my previous comments appeared on the page twice but with only the subject line. Now, they are all there once in proper format. SBN is playing mind games with me, I think.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
That has been happening to me lately too
The post will lose everything but the subject line, and also duplicate itself. One of the twin comments will keep showing up as “new” in my comment z-ing, the other will stay highlighted as yellow but the z-ing will ignore it. Weird.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
An odd little glitch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I've had this condition as well, think i just closed the window and reopened or refreshed to make it quit
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
heh
I should have read further. . .
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I should have, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I give the Brewers the edge based on their rotation.
Plus they have that unreal home field advantage – they’ll just have to crank up the wattage on those lights.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Their rotation may be ok, but
Their offense, especially without Braun, I believe is not going to be very good. I don’t expect Nyjer Morgan to repeat the year he had in 2011, Aramis Ramirez is another year older, Weeks will probably be on the DL by April 15th, and Corey Hart is nothing special.
Corey Hart posted a 3.7-WAR 2010 and a 4.2-WAR 2011.
I don’t know how special that is, but I do know that is very good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I mean nothing special
as in, he isn’t going to carry a Fielder/braun-less offense.
Corey Hart is probably moving to first, right?
I’ve hears that rumour, which made no sense, since I’ve always thought he was a good defender in RF. Off to FanGraphs.
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I thought Gamel was the likely first baseman, but I haven't paid much attention to the situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Gamel is going to get the main crack at first
But the Brewers have said Hart might play first against tough lefties – maybe about 30 games a year. Hart isn’t happy about it, but he’s not a very good right fielder, so whatever.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Corey Hart is nothing special....
unless we’re talking about cave man look-alike competitions, of course
by dan on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to do this right now since there isn't a convenient place with a bunch of aggregate projection data all in the same place yet
But my glances seem to tell me that (maybe) the Reds have a more solid, balanced collection of position players than the Brewers, and vice versa for pitchers. But for all I know it’s actually the other way around in reality. I think the Cardinals are better than both, and not as top-heavy. I think losing Fielder and possible 50 games of Braun could hurt the Brewers pretty badly. Weeks and Hart are both very good, and Aramis Ramirez had a bounceback year but is still getting old. I guess I’ll say that the Reds will be slightly better in a coin flip.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Aramis Ramirez had a bounceback year but is still getting old.
This is sorta funny, considering he’s a year younger than Beltran, and two years younger than Berkman, both of whom had bounce-back years last season, as well.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Oops. Sorry about lack of subject line...
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying he's not going to be the Brewers' savior or anything
He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who will replace Fielder or a large chunk of Braun’s value. I am not worried about Beltran or Berkman being that kind of player because I feel our position players present a more balanced attack than the Brewers.
Although, I did think Ramirez was a little closer in age to those other two.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Ramirez is an upgrade at 3B for Milwaukee, for sure. The question is how much Gamel can hit in the big leagues.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he'll be an upgrade
It’s just that he won’t stop the Brewers from missing Fielder and possible a large amount of Braun.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You're right. They're missing 5.0-WAR at first and 7.0-WAR in LF. That's a ton of production.
In some ways, the 2012 Brewers offense will resemble the 2008/2009 pre-Holliday Cardinals offense.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot about Gamel
I’m still not sure he can hit like a 1B, which is probably why I heard the Hart to 1B rumour.
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Gamel has hit like a first baseman in the minors, just not at the majors. It's certainly an open question whether he will.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But he's at least had a pretty limited amount of PAs in the majors, to his credit
His numbers as a hitter remind me a lot of Allen Craig. I have no idea how their defense is supposed to compare, but I assume nobody wants to put Gamel in the outfield, whereas Craig may be playable as a RF?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm not worried about either, though I think the Reds will finish in 2nd behind us
I see two races forming in the NL Central this season:
- Us and the Reds for the division — we’re strong favorites
- Brewers, Cubs, Pirates, Astros battling it out for a .500 season, with the Brewers being the most likely
I think when it’s all said and done, it will shake out like so:
- Cardinals (94)
- Reds (87)
- Brewers (83)
- Pirates (73)
- Cubs (72)
- Astros (64)
More within, yes.
I guess I should fully disclose: I think it’s a highly volatile team to project right now, mostly because of age and the open question of Oswalt. If things break right, 95-ish wins. If things break wrong, 85-ish.
So, I’ve got 90 or so as the median projection, with an unusually large margin of error. And I think a lot of these higher projections are because people are still drunk on the WS win. Old team, with several guys due for regression anyway.
Was this based on some kind of simulation or projection, or just your guess based on numerous factors?
Nothing wrong with either one, I’m just curious.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I ran the numbers through my "I hate all other NL Central clubs" projection
by dan on Feb 1, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's my favorite kind of projection!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I've heard of that projection...
here’s the link
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I think all of you are being highly optimistic
I would hope for more, but I would bet that we don’t take the division, and that we finish with 90-91 wins. That’s without Oswalt. With Oswalt, I would bet we finish with 90-91 wins.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why would you bet on 90 wins and not winning the division?
I take this to mean that you believe the Brewers or Reds will win more than 90 games?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think many of us are discounting the mensch now running the hated small bears
and his magical ability to “make things happen”. Theo has done nothing but make smart moves since moving there, and bounce-back years from a couple of key players will make them more competitive than we would like to think. Other than that, yeah, the Reds also scare me.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
OK, so the Cubs
will be better than we give them credit for. Which means they win more games in the NLC, presumably beating the Reds, Brewers and Cardinals more often. Unless you’re predicting 92 wins from the Cubs, how does their overachieving affect our ability to win the division?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I hereby predict
one of the Cubs, Brewers or Reds will win the division, and we will be second.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The cubs are going to be terrible this year. Where they find consistent offense is going to be interesting. And if they do trade Garza? Yeah, they’re awful.
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Cubs will suck something rotten this year
their rotation is, what, Garza (who’ll probably get traded), Wells, Woods and ????
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dempster's still there
he might be due for a down year though….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Wait. Who is Wood?
it’s not the Wood I’m thinking of is it? is he even still playing?
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 1, 2012 7:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
After Garza it's pretty much garbage...
Wells, Wood, Volstad, and Maholm are all below average… Dempster is okay.
Sign Roy O
Dempster is better than ok
He’s had a 3.70 xFIP the past 3 years. The rest of those guys are pretty close to average.
That’s not a garbage rotation, it’s definitely one of the better ones in the NL.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
The Mets, Pirates, and Padres are the only teams with clearly worse rotations...
I might even take Wandy, Bud, Lyles, Myers, Happ over what the Cubs have.
Sign Roy O
Wood = Kerry Wood?
When did he become a starter again?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I was able to look at their roster when I got home. I assume he means Travis Wood.
Formerly of the Reds, but was traded to the Cubs in December.
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Ah, I missed that deal.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I share your apprehension
but I would peg those things happening after 2012.
Heh, maybe it’s time we went up against Epstein – and swept him in four.
Cards fan in Middle East
VEP (using ZiPS)
and Xeifrank both had 95ish win projections. I’m not allowing myself to get carried away with that too much, but there appears to be precedent for a mid-90s win total projection.
Wait, you don’t think Oswalt would add to the win total at all?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
If 95 is the number,
Oswalt puts us in contention for 100 wins. If the Cards can change their recent history of pissing away games against crappy NLC teams, they could win a lot more than that, IMO.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
holy sbn bgh,
it’s all effed up for me, too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It just did it to me again. FWIW, your comments all look normal on my screen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ya, as soon as I refresh, it looks fine on my end as well.
It’s the initial post that I’ve never seen before. When I hit post, all looks normal, then in a few seconds, the post auto refreshes and it turns into two posts with only subject lines. I think bjork’s just pulling off some sort of witchery.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I feel more comfortable saying 91 or so wins, but have little to base that on.
They won 90 last year, with an 88 win pythag. Sure, they did that without Wainwright, with a lousy bullpen at the start, and with less of a contribution from Pujols than we’d been accustomed to.
Still, tough for me to say that this team is somehow going to win 5 more than last season.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I had a little under 94 without Oswalt, and a little over 95 with him.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I had right around 95
but that was assuming a healthy Carpenter and Wainwright for the whole season. I also had the Reds a solid second and the Brewers third – and that was with Braun missing 50 games.
what were your innings projection on wainwright and carpenter?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
If you were around
for the previous discussions, I mentioned that currently I am giving five starters from every team all the teams starts. This is due to the fact that this early in the pre-season many teams don’t have a 7 or 8 man depth chart yet. So same setup for all 30 teams. I mentioned that you could dock wins from 95 based on how many starts you think Carpenter/Wainwright will miss. Keep in mind doing so for the other teams who have pitchers in a similar situation too. I wouldn’t dock more than 1 to 1.5 wins from that. With Oswalt in instead of Westbrook they had just over 96 wins. Keep in mind I am running actual game simulations not a WAR spreadsheet, so I don’t really go by innings for starters, I got by games started (each had 33).
okay! thanks.
i was around for the previous discussions but i apparently completely forgot the way you had arrived at your numbers! sorry.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think you have the Brewers far too low
But I agree with the Cardinals and Reds projections.
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by vivaelpujols on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know if it's fair to project them until we know Braun's status.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be suspended
When talking about 2012 projections, folks at BCB have been pretty much operating on that assumption for a while now.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Will his suspension really have that much of an effect on projections though?
1.5 wins maybe?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
On paper, yeah, it's about 2 wins - maybe less if Aoki surprises and plays well in Braun's place
But I think the main impact his suspension would have on team projections is that it really opens up the possibility of an out-and-out collapse in 2012 – the Brewers stumble out of the gate without Braun, maybe lose a pitcher, and by the time they’re at full strength after game 50, they’re 20-30 and nine games out.
I don’t think that’s likely – though a lot of national writers seem to be almost assuming it’ll happen – but I do think Brewers fans have to treat it as a realistic possibility. Every year a couple of teams vastly underperform their projections, and I think the 50-game suspension could make the Brewers a candidate for that kind of fall, for a lot not-perfectly-quantifiable reasons.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's where the power of small sample sizes can really hurt.
If Gamel starts slowly and maybe Weeks and Hart have a rough start, they really don’t have a lot of depth in that lineup to help out. It wouldn’t take but one or two things to go wrong in the beginning of the year for the brewers to be ten games under .500 before they get Braun back, and that’s an awfully deep hole to dig out of.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I hadn't even thought about that possibility
That would be pretty rough for the fanbase, wouldn’t it? Do you think there will be any pressure to acquire any other outfielders in his place?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think Aoki is that outfielder.
He’ll be given every opportunity to play his way into the full-time LF job while Braun’s out – if he can’t hack it, they’ll probably play Gomez in center and Morgan in left most days. That won’t be much of an offensive punch, but at least it’ll be up there on the “death to flying things” scale.
And yes, the early-collapse scenario I described would suck. In a big way.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 1, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I temporarily was confusing Aoki with someone else I guess
That is, I forgot which NPB player he was. He should be fun to watch, he had a pretty awesome streak going there offensively until the Japanese Dead Ball thing.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I guess I thought he was a player who had already been in the MLB or something.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I like the chances of aoki outperforming his projections
his off season was related to the new baseball, which seems hard to project, and he has a broad base of offensive skills that doesn’t involve that closer-fences power that doesn’t seem to transfer at all to the MLB.
I'm really excited to see him play
There was a blog post a couple of months back by an NPB devotee who contended that a big part of the reason for Aoki’s terrible year last year was his stubborn attempts to hit the ball exactly how he had been hitting it with the previous ball, and that once he made the adjustment near the end of the season, his approach and his stats improved significantly. I have no way of verifying that, but I could see him adjusting to MLB better than last year’s stats would indicate.
by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 1, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on his replacement on the roster.
could be much higher or lower depending on the 25th man’s performance.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
just factor in the two wins or so
I think they are probably a 90 win team with Braun’s suspension.
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Why would the Cardinals be 4-6 games better than last year?
Wainwright is a +3 over Kmac/Jackson
Furcal is a +2 over Theriot/Furcal
Berkman is a -3 to Pujols
Beltran/Craig is even to Berkman
Molina, Carp, and Lohse project to get worse; Freese, second base, and the bullpen project to get better. What am I missing?
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if you do this purely by WAR calculation I see your argument
and I kind of agree. 96-96 seems too high to me as well. How many games last year did we lose after the eighth though? The most in the league by a clear margin, I thought. I know in some sense that is already factored into a wins projection based on WAR, but it seems just as likely we could have been a 95ish win team last year but for a few bad pitches (mostly from the arm of Franklin)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
We are on the same page here.
In 2011 the Cards had 26 blown saves. The average in the NL was 20. I’m not much of a saber guy, but if the Cards regress to average in 2012 wouldn’t that be a 6 win differntial ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
To me, that's the killer stat
If we can just get a big reduction in blown saves……
But just because you blow the save doesn't mean you lose the game.
We blew 26 saves, but we didn’t lose all of those games.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
But all teams are in that same
boat, so it’s legit to compare teams by blown saves. Change the stat to “blown saves resulting in a loss” and you’ve solved your problem. And I know we had a buttload of them in 2011.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well there are other things to regress too
Like maybe the Cardinals lost a lot fewer games in the 8th or 7th innings than other teams
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Saves are blown in innings other than the ninth.
Right ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC, saves aren't often credited in situations other than game-ending situations.
This makes blown save numbers somewhat problematic, I believe.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, blown saves are weird.
Purely from looking at boxscores, I think they give out a BS whenever a pitcher loses a lead that could have been a save had they finished the game, which would be a 3 run lead or less, 7th inning or later.
I think that’s right. Is that right?
by Jon S. on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I recall that you are correct
I remember Goold writing a piece a couple of years ago (might have been 2007) when the Cards had a huge number of blown saves talking about how you could actually have multiple blown saves in one game. Which makes the blown saves stat quite misleading.
have multiple blown saves in one game
uh yeah, thank god for that. See WS game 6.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
My old girlfriend used to blow more than one save in a game.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
guess that's why she's your ex now
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True... so true.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
seems like faulty logic
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
this sounds like
a line in a deleted scene from Clerks….
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I agree.
I’m not sure how many blown saves that Franklin was responsible for, but replacing him with Motte (or anyone else in the 2011 bullpen) during those games should have been worth at least 2-3 wins conservatively.
So, minus a Franklin-esque implosion from anyone, plus the offseason moves, plus Waino, minus AP, I’m still predicting a team as good or slightly better than 2011.
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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Has anyone tried to quantify what we can really expect from WW this year?
I assume that pitchers who undergo TJ don’t come back immediately at their prior form. It seems to me that we would hope for WW to be in 2010 form by 2013, but I’m not sure about 2012.
I’m not really questioning your quantification of the improvement of WW over Jackson/Kmac, but just questioning what to expect from a pitcher in his TJ + 1 year.
Not all pitchers are wild when they come back from TJ
I’m hoping Waino is one of ones who can step back in and pick up at 75-80% his original effectiveness.
Considering he'll be starting the year during ST as though he were on a normal schedule (more or less)
I don’t think we should expect such control problems either.
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I expect 25 above average starts or 3-4 wins...
based on what I’ve read on this kind of surgery…
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well hey,
as long as we have a six-man rotation, amirite?!
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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
He might be skipped, he might wear down and be shelved in September, he might go on the DL...
as a precaution if he feels something, etc…
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You can refer back my post
And say where you disagree on the projections. I think that would be a little more productive.
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for the same reason that you wouldn't predict
The exact same brewers team (assuming fielder and braun came back) to win 96 games again.
Sometimes people outperform and sometimes people underperform.
You’re mixing a different meanings of “90 win” team. One meaning is a team who won 90 games. Another is a team whose median likely future performance is 90 games.
Eg – you use the actual outcome of the team (90 wins) as the benchmark, but you (presumably) refer to albert pujols’ median projection when saying berk is a 3 win downgrade on pujols. Albert was only actually worth 5 wins last year, so berk is probably a 1-1.5 win downgrade. Had Albert been a 7-8 WAR player in 2011, the cardinals probably would have been a 92-93 win team.
You can’t interchange actual outcome wins and median projection/true talent wins like that.
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by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think they were probably about an 85 win team without Wainwright
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap
I read that and realize I still have no idea how they won the World Series.
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by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
They did it for Torty.
It’s right up there at the top of the page. How could you forget so soon?
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by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
just as many stats showing them to be an extremely impressive team
(by stats I mean the offensive ones)
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I think the downgrade from 2011 Pujols to 2012 Berkman might even be less if you assume his regressed offense washes out with his improved defense from moving to 1B.
I think it’s more like 0-1 WAR.
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Assuming we get the corresponding improvement in
RF. Which we should with Craig and Beltran.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
my biggest concerns
are
1) do we have a post WS hangover and play without motivation
2) does Carp, Berkman, or one of the older players get injured
3) how does Matheny work as a manager
I think on paper I could see them winning about 92, but I won’t be surprised if some of the above come into play and end up around 86.
youneverknow
-LaRussa -Pujols
There’s obviously a leadership change in the organization. Will it carry over on to the field? Do we underestimate how much these guys defined the clubhouse character, and how it may relax without them?
Mark Attanasio is the best.
Jim Bowden thinks we should trade for Adam Jones.
And build the offer around Shelby.
I backed away from my computer slowly.
Miller, Cox, and Jay for Jones.
So we trade Jay for pretty much the same player, and then throw in Miller and Cox just for kicks. Must same crazy dope floating around the “GM’s Office.”
Jay, with multiple years of club control left, for Jones, who hits free agency in a year.
If one is properly valuing the players, the Orioles should trade Jones plus a prospect to us for just Jay.
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by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather do..
Martinez, Cox, Jay for McCutchen (is that enough to get him?). Greetings to everyone by the way, been reading VEB for along time, and just now decided to sign up to post.
by CardinalFan4Ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Basically nothing is good enough for McCutchen
McCutchen’s value to the Pirates > McCutchen’s value to any other team. What you’d have to give up isn’t worth getting him.
Not afraid to nitpick
Glad to have you aboard
I’m a big McCutchen fan as well. In the event the Pirates have a horrible season, I could see Cutch becoming available at the trade deadline for a painful, yet tolerable, package of prospects.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Via Rotoworld:
Pirates GM Neal Huntington told a radio station that it would take a “drastic overpay” for another team to acquire outfielder Andrew McCutchen via trade.Maybe not so tolerable.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why would they trade him?
He’s young, cheap, awesome, 3 years of control, he’s the face of the franchise…..there’s no reason to trade him.
Not afraid to nitpick
i hear the giants are looking for a left handed hitting first baseman
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I hear they're looking for anything that hits.
Thought maybe they don’t know what they’re looking for — they just signed Theriot.
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it's an old duncan for cain trope
that people pushed pretty heavily. it’s sort of my default “make fun of absurd trade propositions” comment now.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
If they wanted to increase the number of hits seen in San Francisco next year
playing Ryan Theriot in the field every day is a good way to do that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They actually have four years of control...
he doesn’t seem interested in an extension – I could see him being traded after 2013, but not now.
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Why would Huntington state that it would take a "drastic overpay" for him to trade McCutcheon.
If I’m an opposing GM, I wouldn’t even bring up McCutcheon because of this statement. Even if that’s what he is thinking, why wouldn’t he say he would have to get equal value or something?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because he really wants to keep him?
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Twitter
I think it's foolish for a GM of the Pirates (or a similarly situated organization) to make such a statement.
Trading McCutcheon could prove to be best for the organization.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think some team that wants mccutchen is going to look at something he told a DJ
and think, “well, I won’t bother, that guy said he wanted an overpay.”
That's a fair point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that talk raio will look at something he told a DJ (because talk radio consists of DJs without the disks).
And then the trade would receive heightened scrutiny. Of course, after watching McCutcheon play, no one would care.
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by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Pirate OFs seem to be similar to Oakland Pitchers...
they look great till you get em home and they don’t perform quite like you thought they would..
see, Mclouth/ Bay
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and McLouth being pretty bad in his last year for Pittsburgh
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Kay, by himself, is worth more than Jones
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ummmm
Jay
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying
that Jon Jay is a Man in Black?
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by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Craig is K.
Name is secretly spelled Kraig, but he didn’t want to compromise his cover.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rui
Do you comment on rivals as rui in nocal?
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nope
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Twitter
There are more Ruis out there ?
Wait
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
The quickening has not arrived yet.
There are still more out there.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Oh well
He was asking tons of USC questions, so I thought it might be you
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
do you post on the main board
i used to read that board sometimes, its completely hilarious how dumb some of the sec fans are. still have my account but i don’t go on there much anymore
I'll say the Brewers are still a little better than the Reds...
a offensive core of Ramirez, Weeks, Gamel, Hart, and Braun with a rotation of Greinke and Gallardo looks like a 90 game winner to me. Votto, Bruce, Phillips, Stubbs with Latos and Cueto is clearly weaker. The Reds do gain some back with great defense and a large number of breakout candidates (Stubbs, Heisey, Francisco, Meso).
Right now I’ll go with Cards 91 wins, Brewers 89, Reds 88.
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Brewers, I got your beast mode right here
by dmiles on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
BOOM
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
What is this?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
The roofies were already there.
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by hazel on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
top rated WR in the country
with many rankings listing him as the top overall recruit in this year’s class
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Better to be blown out in the SEC
than dominate the Big12(ish)
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If DGB is as good as advertised. . .
he could make Mizzou the favorite to win the SEC East next year. He’s basically Randy Moss, minus the attitude, but plus 2 inches of height and 10 pounds of muscle.
FWIW, Moss dominated at the college level in between all of the behavior related delays.
Granted, Mizzou once had Tony Van Zandt, who was absolutely, positively destined to be the next Tony Dorsett, too, so anything can happen. But make no mistake, this is potentially a program-making recruiting coup here, and Mizzou hasn’t really had any of those since Van Zandt.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Randy Moss play in college when he was at Marshall (in person)
Dude was unreal. Looked like an 8th grader playing with a bunch of 5th graders. And based on watching him, and not having seen DGB at all, I immediately call bullshit on any comparisons to Moss.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
He's 6'6 220 runs a 4.4
Does one handed catches and stuff at All Star games and for what it’s worth has the national HS career reception yards record. Obviously Moss is a ridiculously lofty comparison and that’s not what anyone would expect (and even if he is that good he won’t look like Moss) but they guy’s upside is insane.
Not afraid to nitpick
Meh
Get back to me when DGB does this.
(Of course, DGB won’t have a QB as awful as CJ did.)
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Moss ran a 4.2 and was mister basketball.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
DGB
Outside of football, he was the most valuable player on a 2010 Hillcrest basketball team that won a Class 5 state championship. In track and field, he claimed two individual titles (100-meter dash and triple jump) and one second-place finish (long jump).
I've seen DGB play (on TV). . .
and he looks like an 8th grader playing with a bunch of 1st graders. Granted, he’s in HS, not the Mid-America Conference, but still. . . he’s darn impressive. And like Moss, he has some state track-and-field titles, too.
I’m not the one making the Moss comparisons; the scouting services are. But his measurables (for what they’re worth, which is next nothing, but all anyone has to go on) are more impressive than Moss’s. And he’s not been arrested or failed a drug test.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
dude had scholarships at 15 before he played in his first HS game
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by Action Jaxon on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a CFB fan
but it has been funny to watch the people I follow on twitter try to get him to go to their respective school. The Arkansas people immmediately began rationalizing with things like, “It’s better to get a 5 star linebacker than a wide receiver anyway”
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Black Heart Gold Pants, the Iowa Hawkeyes SBN blog, has pretty funny recruit coverage.
Their Twitter hashtag is #CaringisCreepy and here is the introductory paragraph to a post entitled, “CREEPYPALOOZA 2012: Skills to Pay the Tuition Bills:”
Sure, caring is creepy. That’s why we generally leave it to the Rivals/Scout guys. But once their signature goes on the dotted line of an Iowa letter of intent, caring ceases to be creepy and becomes essential. So, without further ado, your objects of affection and/or scorn (sometimes both at the same time) for the next four or five years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like that characterization.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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Fun song, too.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Actually,
they should be saying 4-star for the linebacker. Realistically, however, that is probably true. For on-field difference, the 4-star linebacker who switched yesterday from Tennessee will most likely make a bigger team-wide difference the the Hogs than DGB. Certainly would be good to have both, and DGB would have been a recruiting coop, but he’s not as needed from a team strength point of view.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
We needed peters
But the hogs threw a good party
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm excited about him
our defense is what has held us back from competing with ’Bama, LSU, etc. and linebacker has been a weak point. I heard comments from folks around Peters yesterday (HS coach, etc.) saying the “uncertainty” in the UT coaching situation had a lot to do with it.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Booooo!
well, at least he didn’t go to OU or tu
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
i don't quite know what is happening here
but i do know that i find it preposterous.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
A young man has chosen a school
to gain his education and participate for the intercollegiate football club whilst inbetween his studying and classroom time.
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actually
if you believe what is written about him, Mr. Green-Beckham just might take his education seriously while he’s prepping for the 2014 NFL draft. No, wait, that’ll be 2015, I think, they can’t come out until after their junior year (or is it 4 years after high school?).
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
3 years out of high school
Also, he had a 3.1 GPA in high school.
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that's right,
so a player could declare for the draft after playing as a redshirt sophomore (but DGB won’t be redshirted).
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
well,
they (the NFL) are getting a “free” minor league in the colleges plus very few HS seniors would be up to the physical demands of NFL ball.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
oh, I know why the NFL does it
it’s definitely in their interest for college football to be a free minor league with a ton of TV exposure. it just sucks for any freshmen or sophomore football players who could play professional football.
forgive me if this is too close to politics
but have you been reading Joe Nocera’s columns on the NCAA recently? I’ve been finding them really interesting, and really damning for the NCAA’s process.
you should take a look
interesting/sad stories of athletes being treated like shit and unable to do much about it.
Anyone who is at all close to big-deal NCAA clubs
and cares about anything other than maximizing the NCAA’s revenue is going to have very damning things to say. The NCAA is extremely exploititative, full stop.
Just pay the “student-athletes”, allow the school to defer their scholarships until after their college career is over, and be done with it.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
How many people is that, though, really. . .
Maybe 1 every 5 to 10 years?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
They can just not go to college, right? For that matter, holding a draft at all is a monopolistic practice.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, never mind. . .
I didn’t realize the rule was an age requirement. I thought that you could become eligible by merely not signing a LOI. My bad.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm friends with one of his high school coaches
My friend’s wife went to PT school with me. I think that makes DGB and myself on a first name basis.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
(comment meant to be read in snark tone)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm not familiar with this "DGB"
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
We only recognize one
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
An exciting year for sure
If our young guys look as good as they did in September and the post-season, and the old guys stay healthy we could win 95(and if Matheny is any good-yes it matters). My pick for the surprise of the Division is Pittsburgh. They seem to be young with good upside and good leadership. They should be above .500 and may be in the race for awhile.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
I expect another year of hardship for the Pirates
And then a good season in 2013
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not really sure what else they've got coming in 2013
I don’t see Cole, Bell or Taillon being ready by then. I think they’re looking 2014 and beyond.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you Kenny B
That is why the Cards will not win 95. Pittsburg will probably
take 10 from the Cardinals and the lowly Astros will take 8 or 9.
Bud Norris will win at least 4 and then Livan Hernandez will
probably will arise from the grave for about 3 and then the Crads
will blow a couple. So I say 90, or 91. It is what it is.
Bud Norris will probably win 10 games against the Cardinals on his own
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Bud Norris will be traded around 40 times next season
so that he can pitch against the Cardinals in every series
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
That'd be a good strategy for the rest of the NL Central.
The Reds-Cubs-Brewers-Astros-Pirates just pass him around to whomever is playing the Cardinals.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I wonder who was traded the most in one season.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Frank Huelsman traded 4 times in 1904, but the White Sox had him twice.
Apparently Bobo Newsom was traded 16 times in his career.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, I just keep going back and forth don't I.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Someone please rec this for me.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and done again, just for good measure
Come on, baseball
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 1, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
there is an awful show on Animal Planet
where they search for sasquatches. One of the “researchers” is named Matt. Another goes by Bobo. Every time I see them on screen together I think “Matt Y Bobo” and now my mental image of you is the dude that goes by Bobo.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Feb 1, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was really hoping that your mental image of him was going to be sasquatch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
You should watch the show
dude basically looks like a sasquatch.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Heh
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
A lot more makeup, but yeah, that's basically the look.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
do you howl like an imaginary creature?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I actually sound exactly like Mario
“It’s a-me! Bobo!”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That show cracks me up......
Oooohhhh…that’s definitely a squatch we just heard.
Asshats.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
one of my new favorite things to do
is randomly look at my wife and exclaim: “I THINK THERE’S A SQUATCH IN THESE WOODS!”
I love watching horrible tv. I’m looking at you, Call of the Wildman.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
One of our favorite guilty pleasure shows is Dog The Bounty Hunter
“GET HIM LELAND!”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I suppose it could be both
I have never really gone by the nickname “Matty” before, I think one friend of mine in college called me that and that was it. It began because some buddies wanted to play Warcraft 3 online and didn’t want to wait, so I had to come up with a user name quickly and register. I meant it “bobo” more in the Spanish slang sense of “stupid” or “foolish”, I am certainly not claiming to be a combination of bourgeois and bohemian.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I like to think I put the "sass" in Sasquatch
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yeah, this show is a big pile of poo
just like their show “Lost Tapes” or whatever the hell it was called.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite trade story
is the guy who played for both teams in a doubleheader because he was traded in between the games
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
actually:
Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote are the only players to play for both teams in a doubleheader, having been traded by the Cubs and Cardinals, respectively, between games on May 30, 1922.
The Mets in 1979, traded for Jose Cardenal in between games of a doubleheader. Cardenal crossed the hall and dressed — but did not play — for the Mets in the second game. “A couple of Mets players, John Stearns and a few guys, were saying, ‘What are you doing here? Wrong clubhouse!’” Mets manager Joe Torre was going to play Cardenal, who asked out of the lineup. “I could not do it. I was in shock.”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I think you've gotta
play that second game, just so you can say forever more that you did play for both teams in a DH. Of course, when you’ve just been traded I’m sure taking the long view isn’t your first instinct.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Cardenal
Perhaps my favorite name for a baseball player from St Louis. 1970 and part of 1971.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, my memory is bad.
Just looked up Cardenal, who in my mind I always lumped in with Luis Melendez, a forgettable Cardinal OF from the 70’s with a short and undistinguished career.
Turns out Cardenal was a pretty good player, with a long career as a regular.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, 18.1 bWAR in 18 seasons showed some value over a long career. Pretty much an everyday starter for 12 years.
But the bulk of the WAR came from when he was a Cub, which drove me crazy based upon his last name.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Announcers everywhere had a field day with that
Can imagine it now
A: “It’s not often that the Cubs root for a Cardinal, but I think they’ll make an exception for this one.”
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Always pass Bud to the left
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Since someone mentioned Bobo Newsom upthread
Born in Hartsville, South Carolina, Newsom was known as a somewhat eccentric and emotional personality, typically referring to everyone, including himself, in the third person, as “Bobo”.
I would have liked to see him play
SIGN ROYO
also
He is one of two pitchers to win over 200 games and lose even more. Misfortune plagued Newsom.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12298911
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
OT, but really weird...
I just read a short story about a (fictitious) pitcher/catcher combo who sound suspiciously like this guy. The catcher talks to himself in the third person, and the pitcher is plagued by misfortune while chasing his 200th win.
The premise is that there used to be a team called the New Jersey Titans that was erased from history by MLB because of a horrific player scandal.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why are so few great sports colleges based out of large cities?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
because you touch yourself at night
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
probably because so many major state schools are land grant schools
and major state schools are the majority of top sports colleges
I was just about to say this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
basically this.
i’m sure there are some other factors at play, but basically land grant issues.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Ah interesting, thanks
Somebody mentioned last night how it felt going to one of the few big-city sports schools in the nation. I’d never thought of it like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I heard she has great big...
tracts of land
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I know, but I want the girl that I marry to have... a certain... special...
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Stop that, stop that
There’ll be NO singing.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
let's not bicker and argue about 'oo killed 'oo....
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
the best one is, obviously.
USC 4 LIFE!!!
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
"like"
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did everyone donate to JoeSportsFan's project?
It’s the only place for funny commentary about the Cardinals.
#givelancechants
You post on here?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah I already get too much of you on Twitter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Haha of course
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
How do you know that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You mentioned it.
I wrote it down in my diary.
#givelancechants
by Brian_K on Feb 1, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
...
Who the hell is he on twitter?
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
PunkOnDeck
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i think the joesportsfan twitter feed is funny,
but i don’t regularly visit the site. sebek is hilarious most of the time, and an ass some of the time (anytime he’s talking to bj rains).
i have no idea what the project is you’re talking about, though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Um...
no.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
so i haven't got the new new twitter yet.
is there a way for me to do so?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Do you guys on the Twatter favstar?
If you don’t, don’t start.
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
FanGraphs wants to know the general public's opinion of St. Louis TV broadcasters today
The post is here.
The Google Form alone is here.
Vote vote vote.
Don't tell me my business, Devil Woman
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He called the shit poop!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's interesting
This info will come in handy for a longform post I have been thinking about.
#givelancechants
Really?
The only guys I like less are the D-backs and the White Sox.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I gave them middling scores too
my reasoning is that the thing I dislike about them—ignorance of and hostility to how baseball actually works—characterizes almost every broadcast team in baseball. aside from that I find them pretty inoffensive.
Right, they always seem to love what they do and are occasionally funny
I mentioned Dan being a drunk in the notes twice though
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I want the Hrabosky/Horton team to end.
But I need a break from Hrabosky and Horton, so I want them to be shuffled.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I mark Al down
for Colby bashing, TLR fellating, and the fact that he seems to be kind of a dick to Dan.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
i think dan usually tries to make it work
and al undercuts him in some obnoxious way. it would be funny if i didn’t like dan more than al.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
you know dan, it really is
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sig is appropriate
Hate u Al…
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
TALK TO MUCH
Wasn’t there a study done a couple years ago that found that Dan talks more than any other play-by-play baseball broadcaster save for Vin Scully (who works alone)?
#givelancechants
who's "much?"
/grammar nazi
but anyway, Dan is the only thing tolerable about Cardinals broadcasts, now he just needs to learn from Shannon how to hold his booze
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
yeah, U2 sucks!
but they did help us beat the Phillies! Or was it the Astros? Either way, Hunter Pence fall down, go boom.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that was the Astros
I was at that game…the searing temperatures sure didn’t help that new sod settle
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was too busy drinking free beer in the AC in a suite
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
sweet
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Wins Above Replacement was a good
Album, but I really like the Unforgettable FIP.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's a good one.
It definitely predicted the path they’d take, rather than describe where they’d been.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by a fink on Feb 1, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well according to the EIST (Edge Independent Sound Theory)
It also described their past pretty well.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Sounds like a not-too-subtle dig at Whitesnake
by brackenthebox on Feb 1, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I know there's a lot of controversy, and many people
Will go for the Joshua tRA, but I prefer the simple elegance of the Unforgettable FIP.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
unforgettable FIP
isn’t that the rapper who predicted that conditions were favorable for his eventual death?
you're thinking of the Notorious K/BB.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was under the impression that it was that personal services contract that cost us Pujols
You know, the Notorious PSC
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Achtung Babip.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which of these albums has "Where the Geeks Have No Game"?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I remember this too
It was words per minute or something. Was it from Deadspin? I’ll search
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dan talking instead of Rick and Al is what saves the broadcast
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I mostly hear
radio teams. The Reds and Padres radio teams are two that I remember hating.
Because Matheny
ditto on the Reds
just awful. Sounds like they grabbed two guys off of a farm at random.
youneverknow
is Jeff Brantley still on their radio team?
I remember listening to him do a cards/reds game in 08 and he repeatedly kept mentioning that there were fireworks after the game
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
i chose 3, 1, 2.
they have some charisma at least, but in terms of game analysis they suck.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
my favorite broadcast teams are probably (miller and krukow)
and (vin scully).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I always preferred Brenneman and Lyons
like in All*Star Baseball.
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 1:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ESPN 2K5 had Miller and Morgan :(
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
3, 1, 1
I then explained in my comment that Horton and Hrabosky are the reasons for the 1’s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
this is exactly what I put
and for the exact same reason.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
4,1,3
I actually like McLaughlin. Horton is horrendous at play-by-play, but is somewhat more tolerable than Hrabosky at analysis. If Horton and Hrabosky left, I probably wouldn’t miss them.
My preferred set-up is Dan and Rick
I actually have a soft sport for Rick Horton, I just think he and Al are a terrible combination. However, I understand that the powers that be will probably have Hrabosky in there most of the time to ensure one of the broadcasters actually played baseball.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You do know Rick played too, right?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So you didn't see what I did there?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
what you did there
I see it.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would have gotten it better but I'm more used to trigger phrases than ideas
So when I didn’t see “played the game” I breezed by it
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2,1,3
Commented on how we used to be treated to the likes of Joe Buck, Bob Carpenter, an Bob Costas but Al Hrabosky dominates now and we hate our tv guys. Also commented that Ben though it was about tv our radio guys are still really good but we miss Jack Buck
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ben = even
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he was really good an I was sad to see him get stuck on just channel 11 Sundays and not get more time
Im happy for him to have the Nationals full time but I miss him
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2's across the board
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1,1,1
I have the Games per Season set at ~10% because these guys are so bad I generally watch the other team’s feed via MLB.tv. Dan McLaughlin is a passably OK broadcaster. Al Hrabosky and Rick Horton should never be allowed behind a microphone for any reason at all.
Just about the only MLB broadcasting team worse than these clowns is the awful duo of Brennaman and Brantley in Cincinnati.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
haha. i'm curious to know what the results are going to be.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I emailed the link to my dad
he’ll surely give them ones across the board
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
if the reds are not better than the brewcrew, id be very surprised
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Thank You!
The Brewers TV guys were far and away the worst I remember from MLB.tv last year.
FWIW, Arizona was mentioned as “disliked” above. Other than Vin Scully, I think AZ was my favorite to listen to — if nothing else, the broadcasters were excited about the team. I can’t speak for Grace’s analysis, but I’d give him 5 on the charisma, he’s entertaining. To each his own.
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
that puts a whole new spin on it!
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 2, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Random question for those who know things like this
How does the accuracy of projected stats change over a players career. Presumably it starts off low due to the paucity of data, peaks some time in the middle once a player has plateaued and has a good sample size, and then declines due to differential impact of aging.
I’m mainly interested in when that peak occurs and how steep the late tail looks (assuming it exists). I’m particularly interested in the context of the fabled market inefficiency of aging stars.
I've never looked at the data
But I imagine your hypothesis is correct. Although I could also projections being more accurate for older players, when they rely less on physical tools.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
yea, that last part is what I'm interested in
you could imagine older players being both undervalued and easier to project, which could largely mitigate the increased injury risks.
by brackenthebox on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Holliday had a really weird minor league career for one of the best hitters in baseball
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
wow
He wasn’t really impressive at any point. I wonder if the PurpleRow guys would know anything about this
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sickels said he was always a tools guy who happened to put it together when he got to the Majors
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
RIP Spoonball.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I've never been prouder
Bob Horner: Would a team ever try to have two punters on the field (one as a decoy) to fake out the other team? I feel this could revolutionize special teams.
Tony Softli:
That’s a scary thought because in today’s special teams with the returners the defense must be able to cover. Adding a 2nd punter takes away a LB or safety with explosive tackling ability. While I like the idea, I’m doubtful that any NFL coach would embrace it.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
He's like IBM's Big Blue
but not as good.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i mean, i don't understand
are you being sarcastic?
i don’t know football strategy so i can’t tell whether or not his dismissal of this tactic is smart or dumb.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The question was the dumbest I could think of without it being obvious.
As to trying to explain Tony Softli the person, I tried once but probably failed.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Wait, Softli is a real person?
I thought he was just a junior high science fair project on artificial intelligence?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
oh! YOU asked the question.
the pseudonym threw me off.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
We need to do an intervention, people!
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 2:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it is.
Word on the street was 99% of submitted questions were, um, not very serious.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
That's the trick
To give the question that shadow of doubt to whether it’s troll bait.
#givelancechants
i mean...
I would have made up some crazy BS is someone asked that question too.
Q: Why don’t manages send a left handed and a right handed hitter to bat at the same time. This would give the batters better plate coverage, and force the pitcher to throw more strikes:
A. I like it. But the issue comes with outs. While there is a greater chance for a hit, as long as there is proper communication between each better, and they know who is swinging at what pitch, there are rules in place about the number of runners who can occupy one base. In order for both players to get on base safely, one player must end up on second, and one player must end up on first. Since doubles are a lot rarer than singles, chances are even a hit will result in one out.
Still, the extra run that comes on a home run would be a boost. And there are sometimes when you just need to hit that five run homer in late innings that would make this an exciting play for managers to deploy.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Got to admit,
that’s pretty solid analysis from a Muppet.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN: Boston still in for Oswalt
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Well it looks like whoever doesn't sign Oswalt
will be in the running for Jackson.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
honestly, were they both available at 1/7, a team wouldn't do poorly to sign both.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
no team needs two starters though
at least out of Boston, Texas and us. I’m shocked the Rangers are pushing to sign Oswalt so hard. Harrison was worth 4.2 WAR last year – he’s probably better than Oswalt going forward. Makes no sense.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
it was more oswalt saying he only wanted to play for the rangers or the cardinals.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
but the rangers have definitely shown interest as well
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
if someone says "i would like to play for the rangers"
and the rangers say “that is a dumb idea”, they’re not really running the team well.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
If by someone, you mean "someone good", then sure. . .
but if, for instance, Yuniesky Betancourt or Stephen Hawking wants to play for the Rangers, then “that is a dumb idea” as a response is just fine.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Wow that's pretty harsh
saying Hawking is as bad as Yuni.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
He'd figure out a way
to have an extra lineup spot, and an anti-lineup spot spontaneously pop into existence at convenient times. Then they would annihilate each other so as to conserve the laws of baseball.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coincidence?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Feb 1, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm also gonna pull a Selig here and declare that we're adding an extra comma into English grammar
to increase “parity”.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
They've met with him multiple times though
So I think they are seriously considering it.
At any rate, you might be right that the Rangers aren’t going to sign him, which just leaves the Sox and us. If Oswalt really wants to pitch here, will he to go to the Sox for an extra 2-3 million.
What’s been our high offer? 5 or 7.5?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I honestly don't understnad having the difficulty of moving McClellan
being the sticking point. Is 2% of payroll really going to make or break the team? Can’t they just take it out of next year’s payroll until they move McClellan/Westy/Lohse at some later point in the year?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
OPEN DEWALLET
I agree. DeWitt should authorize an extra $2.5MM to sign Oswalt.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
I can’t imagine it being the only roadblock standing between Oswalt and the Cardinals. Worst case scenario, pony up the extra $ for Oswalt now and then dangle McClellan as trade bait until someone takes him, even if you have to eat a small portion of the contract.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
There has to be a line that they stick to...
my understanding is that they were breaking the budget to keep Pujols ($110 million) and that’s where they are at now.
Sign Roy O
But at some point they're going to be able to dump one of those three salaries
But Oswalt is going to go off of the market soonish. and it’s not like we’re talking about a ton of money (in terms of percentage of team payroll)
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
2% of costs when it is several million dollars would
make or break other types of businesses, with the same revenues as the Cardinals (in the big scheme of things, of course, the Cards aren’t that big of a business).
Basically your argument is that DeWitt (and the 18 other owners, who might not like this idea) should just run the team at a deficit or outside their budget. Certainly some other pro sports teams do that. I’m in favor of it too, because I’m a fan, I don’t care if Dewitt or the other owners lose money, and it would improve the team. But it doesn’t surprise me that the Cards have an internal budget that they stick to.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait
You’re saying that the Cardinals raising payroll by 2% for one year could break them? Even ignoring the fact that DeWitt likely has massive wealth outside of the Cardinals, that’s just not true.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
2% of costs when it is several million dollars would make or break other types of businesses
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Then I don't see the relevence
Valatan wasn’t talking about other businesses, he was talking about the Cardinals.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Have they actually said that at salary x they are falling short of a profit?
I assume this would just cut into profits more than BD wants to. I doubt it comes close to putting them in the red. and they can always try to unload McClellan later.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it's comparative.
he’s saying a signing such as this may make the cardinals unprofitable, which is not something normal businesses could sustain, and that dewitt may therefore be loath to push the budget above a certain dollar figure.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Assuming Oswalt is 10 million dollars
And we can trade KMac later for 2 million dollars, that’s 8 million dollars less in profits. Now a chunk of that will be made back due to the Cards improved playoff and WS odds from getting Oswalt, so lets say its 4 million less in profits.
I’m not sure why that’s such a big deal to DeWitt, since we’re not talking about anything close to a normal business, and especially considering the long term effects of winning another WS.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
the thing is you do not collect monetary rewards
for increased chances. you collect them for the result at the end of 162 games. there comes a point where improving the team results in only minimally improved odds.
i’m not arguing this should be a big deal. rather i am only trying to provide some insight into what ownership’s position may be.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
uh, what?
the thing is you do not collect monetary rewards
for increased chances. you collect them for the result at the end of 162 games.
That’s saying that same thing. If you make the playoffs, lets say you get 40 million. If you increase your odds by 10%, that’s factoring a 4 million dollar profit increase, on average.
there comes a point where improving the team results in only minimally improved odds.
I agree, but we aren’t at that point yet. We’re only a couple of wins ahead of the brewers and not that far ahead of the reds. We’re still well in the playoff sweetspot.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
i didn't state myself well.
what i mean is that “the move improves playoff odds, so you offset some of that cost” isn’t quite accurate because if you don’t make the playoffs, that cost is not offset. sure, you have a better chance of getting there, but that better chance doesn’t immediately result in financial gain.
you can’t just say “bam, let’s take 4 million off the cost of the contract. why the hell isn’t dewitt doing this?”
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It's an expected value, not an absolute one
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah, i'm not really qualified to
mount a defence of business practices.
frankly, all i’m trying to say is i can completely understand a hard cap on salary being put in place by ownership.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
if i were wealthy, and i owned a sports team,
that is not how i would run it. but i can understand why someone else would.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Me too.
It would be interesting to have a drink with a (former) MLB owner and get the skinny on how things really work.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
right, if you don't make the playoffs the cost is not offset
But if you do make the playoffs the cost is more than offset – you’re making way more in profits than the Oswalt salary. probabilities are the only way you can look at it.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
The thing that gets me
is that this isn’t even about the marginal cost of Oswalt—it’s about the difference between the marginal cost of Oswalt and McClellan’s salary. If it was “Oswalt is too expensive”, fine. I get that. He’s an expensiveish player with an arm history.
But it’s “Oswalt is too expensive if we can’t unload McClellan”. And, absent the issues with having re-tendered McClellan, THAT line is patently absurd.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
probabilities are the only way you can look at it.
You gotta get out of all those English poetry classes and take some basic business courses. You can’t run your accounting on “increased playoff odds” -
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 1, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes you can
That’s the only way you can account for the increased revenue made from going to the playoffs.
Tell me how I’m wrong.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Increased playoff odds
don’t pay the bills. That’s how.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 2, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they do
if getting to the playoffs makes you an extra 30 million in revenue, then a 10% increase in playoff odds should increase your expected revenue.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
...
Tell me how I’m wrong.
You make a ridiculous statement and then tell me to prove you wrong? Am I supposed to teach you how to read an income statement? Or explain GAAP? All in a little box pressed up against the right side of screen? Or else, what, you think your ridiculous statement will be correct? Heh.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why would DeWitt not account for increased playoff odds in his revenue predictions?
If he thinks he has a 40% chance of making the playoffs he’d expect a higher revenue, on average, than if he had a 20% of making the playoffs.
You’re the one making ridiculous statements. Why you don’t stop taking all of those business classes and actually think about it?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
What percentage of the team
is owned by other investors? What if the other investors are guaranteed a certain profit every year, with shortfalls coming out of DeWitt’s pocket?
I have no way of knowing, but the fact is we don’t have insider info on how the ownership is structured.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
What could possibly be the long term effects
of another WS when they’ve won 2 in 5 years? That’s a rationalization if I’ve ever read one.
Also, you are conflating the possibility of additional profits (improved playoff odds) with the actuality of spending money (guaranteed contracts). Just because the playoff odds are better doesn’t mean that profits are better as well.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I've been wondering
whether the Cards and/or Rangers and/or Sox (psbly including the Orioles?) are trying to swing some sort of three team deal, and that’s what the holdup has been.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
So help me god
If VEB ever trys to pull off the same bullshit music playing as RockMNation. There will be hell to pay
are you saying their website plays music or is in in a comment or post?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
It automatically starts playing music for me at least
I can’t stop it
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmm does it play the same music the entire time you are on the site?
that would be even more annoying
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
well thats what you get for liking Mizzou
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
yep, much rather be an illinois fan
wait…
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Beat Mich St last night
what now son
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Their final score was higher than Michigan State's final score
STILL COUNTS
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
20-2, top ten in every ranking system out there except bullshit RPI, road wins against at least three tournament teams, playing for the lead in the best or second best conference in the nation on saturday night….
you were saying?
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at Mizzou's non-conference schedule, I'd say their RPI is fairly accurate.
I guess they played Illinois…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
southern miss has a higher RPI than mizzou.
that’s all you need to know about RPI
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not
What are the inputs? Do you have an objective critique of it?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the inputs are 75% SOS, which is composed of your opponent’s winning percentage (2/3 of the 75%) and your opponents opponent’s winning percentage (1/3 of the 75%). the remaining 25% is your own winning percentage.
objective critiques:
1. unfairly favors power six teams
2. no credit for “tough” road wins
3. no human element (c’mon, even the BCS has a human element)
4. there’s just better measures out there. most notable kenpom and sagarin
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
this seems hard to believe
so if a team plays the toughest schedule in the league, but loses all their games, they still end up in the 75th percentile?
by brackenthebox on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
What makes kenpom and sagarin objectively better at determining team quality?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Does not answer my question
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
oh come on. it's not like you don't agree.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're probably right, but I have no basis for saying that
So I wouldn’t call it “bullshit RPI”
I think what I asked is a very legitimate question, and it’s something I’ve never seen answered
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Twitter
Jay Bilas prefers the two fang listed
Can’t entirely remember his reasoning, and when looking at them they seemed more accurate. Realize this doesn’t mean much though.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
is she a go'er?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
does she like....photography?
he asked him knowingly….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
look ... are you trying to insinuate something?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
well
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nudge, nudge
know what I mean, say no more. A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind bat.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
you are ... I mean ... a man of the world aren't ya?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
wot's it like?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
That fact doesn't mean I should dismiss the RPI out of hand.
Also, there’s a difference between dismissing the RPI simply because it doesn’t have Mizzou as a top 10 team and saying that other systems are better.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
But you have to be able to show other systems are better
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
someone should do a study on this or something.
it’d be default to say “looks what happens in the tourney” but i’m not sure that’s the best way to do it.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
i've always said the other systems were better. no matter what year.
i check kenpom and sagarin almost daily during the season. RPI i check maybe once a week because i think it’s garbage.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I only semi-follow the sport, but that's surprisingly high to me.
They’re incredibly tough, but I’m not sure they’re that good.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They're benefitting from a super-deep
Big 10.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
The big 12 does suck this year.
Seriously, the big 10 has way more depth. Texas is down, Texas Tech sucks, Iowa State isn’t very good, Oklahoma is still reeling from Kelvin Sampson,
They’re very top-heavy with a bunch of also-rans. Baylor has been exposed as not a truly great team, which leaves Kansas and Missouri. I think Kansas is legit, and I think Missouri is for real, but I think Ohio State would beat both of them and both teams would suffer a LOT more conference road losses in the big 10. It’s no fun this year to go to Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Purdue, or even Northwestern…
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
the big 12 is at worst the second best conference in the country.
and the big ten might be better from top to bottom (in fact i might agree—sagarin does but it’s really close) but the big 12 has more final four contenders. and you’re VASTLY underrating iowa state, texas, and k-state, who are all possible tourney teams.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you're saying
I believe that a road win against the second tier in the Big 12 is a LOT easier this year than a road win in the Big 10 though. Texas is way down, though they may get in the the tournament. I neglected k-state. My bad there. I think they can make some noise this year.
I guess a lot of it depends on one’s belief in Baylor. I just don’t think they’re that good. They’re incredibly athletic, but I don’t think they’re any better than Michigan or Michigan State.
And yeah, I guess the Big 12 may get more teams in the tournament than I would have guessed, but I think it’s because the Pac 10 is AWFUL and the Big East really isn’t that great either this year.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
your point is probably right
ames, manhattan, and austin probably aren’t as tough as ann arbor, either assembly hall, or lafayette, but it’s probably closer than you think. i was mostly arguing against your “the big 12 sucks” statement.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't mean to make it sound like they sucked.
It was more of a competitive jab.
I’m mad at Missouri for beating my Illini and I’m still not over Self bolting to Kansas and taking Sheron Collins with him.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
well in that case, HAH
but yeah screw kansas. and bill self. and sharon collins.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah yeah...
Historically, Illinois has been a MUCH better program than Mizzou, but I think they’re going to have an elite rivalry for at least the next few years going forward. Illinois is finally back in some national conversations again and Mizzou plays a pretty cool style of basketball.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Well, if there's one thing
on which Illini and Mizzou fans should be able to agree, it’s a visceral dislike for Bill Self and KU, amirite?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with ya on that one!!!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
for sure
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Although. . .
“Historicall, Illinois has been a MUCH better program than Mizzou” is patently false.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
How so?
Illinois has more NCAA tournament apperances, more all-time wins, fewer all-time losses, 5 final fours (Mizzou has 0), more conference titles, more all-americans, and has won more games head-to-head.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Since fourstick isn't around, I'll stick up for Iowa State.
Iowa State is 16-6 and 6-3 in the Big 8. Their kenpom.com ranking is 34. Iowa State is a likely tournament team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Royce White is incredible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Not when he ran into the Northern Iowa Panthers!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
The MVC is better than
the Pac 10 this year, IMO. Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Creighton. Those are 3 tough teams.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Creighton and Wichita State are in a class by themselves.
UNI and Missouri State have played very inconsistently in MVC play. In late December, if you’d have told me UNI would have 9 total losses and Missouri State would have 10 total losses on February 1st, I’d have told you that you were crazy. But that’s where we stand. Drake is playing pretty good basketball right now. Not much separates third place from seventh.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
But I think that goes to show the overall
depth and talent in the MVC. Creighton and Wichita would both walk away with the Pac 10 title this year. Creighton also features one of the best players in the country.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Yes, rub it in.
He was ours and then his dad left Iowa State for Creighton. As an aside, I saw him play last Wednesday and his footwork is as close to perfect as I’ve seen. He’s the new Big Fundamental.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Creighton is overrated. Nebraska could have easily beat them if there weren't two technicals and six FTs given out on one play
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
WAT! Kryten demands you take that back
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though it wouldn't surprise me if they don't make it out of the first round of the tournament.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
heh. sweet how you weren't phased ... good on you cowboy
I will chill on the english tv … got locked in a loop … aplogies to all
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, I'm a cowboy now? Sweet!
Actually, I guess that would be a SPACE cowboy, so like 4 times cooler. WOOOOOOOOO
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Loved Red Dwarf
great, great show. Now I’m hungry for some kebabs and vindaloo.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Smeg off,
dog food face!
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
they made another 3 part special in 2009
Back to Earth (Part 1 of 3). Special Episode 1.
Older but no wiser, the crew discover a dimension-hopping leviathan in the ship’s water tank.
Back to Earth (Part 2 of 3). Special Episode 2.
Katerina guides Lister back to his home planet, but Earth in 2009 is not everything the crew of Red Dwarf expected.
Back to Earth (Part 3 of 3). Special Episode 3.
Knowing they are destined to die, the Dwarfers track down those who created them to plead for more life.
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope SIU gets rid of Chris Lowery soon
and returns to playing good basketball
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
watching him shoot free throws though...
he makes shaq look good.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wat?
Kansas already beat Ohio St this year. Granted, it was at home and Ohio St was without Sullinger, but still. . .
Also, how has Baylor been exposed as “not a truly great team” when its only two losses have been to “legit” Kansas on the road, and “for real” Missouri? They’ve played a top 50 SoS according to KenPom (which is better than either Ohio St’s or Missouri’s, FWIW)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 1, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
They are a team of freaky athletes, but I just don’t see them being as good as Kansas, Ohio State, Kentucky, or really even Duke or Michigan State.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
scott drew really, really, really can't coach.
M-I-Z-D-G-B
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
maybe that's it.
I don’t know. Maybe it’s just the fact that they’re not a name-brand team. I just don’t think they have the chops to beat an elite team on a regular basis.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I'm biased here.
But I believe Nebraska could be a tourney team if they were in the Big 12 still. Granted not being able to run an offense for the last five minutes of games hasn’t helped much, but still.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois basketball players spend more time on their gradesaaahahahahahah
I couldn’t finish that thought. I had a class with DJ Richardson and I can confirm that this is not the case.
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, don't ruin it for me.
I like DJ. He plays smart and I thought he would be one of the good guys!
I’m a monster Illini fan, and I think this team needs to find its identity and find it fast. At times they can’t shoot and their defense is smothering, and at other times they look unreal on offense and their defense is lazy. Very frustrating team to watch, considering how talented they really are.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
It's hard to remember how young they are
they really weren’t supposed to compete this year but are a handful of bad plays away from being on top the B1G. Frustrating, but man they’re young. If Meyers comes back next year (and I don’t like keep saying “oh, NEXT year!”), They could be real good.
Also, they should start running an offense.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Its not that he's a bad guy
He just didn’t seem overly smart to me. He did the work, but it was a gen ed 101 class
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Meyers is the one I've heard is a dick
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
He seems like it judging from the way he plays.
A certain amount of that is good. A good player should have a bit of a chip on his shoulder. However, I think Meyers lets it get the best of him. He’s only 19, though. I was a pretty big hothead when I was 19 too.
Alx, you’re completely right. Maniscalco should be on the bench, and they should be running a spread-4 with Leonard isolated in the post and Richardson, Bertrand, Paul, and Abrams on the perimiter. Then you can get Paul and Leonard isolated on hi-lo action and put Richardson in the corner as the shooter with Abrams running the point and Bertrand as a slasher-type along with Paul.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I'm hopeful Egwu, Henry, and Abrams will all develop well.
Each of them show real flashes from time to time.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
a couple of my friends back in the day had a class with Sergio McClain
and only saw him there twice
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
All I heard was
“fap fap fap fap fap” when I went to that site.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
the soundtrack of the internet, essentially.
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by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my gob
Forgot how this thread started, that’s nuts
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
tom and I are just down here chillin' and bein' our awesome selves.
Weekend Writers UNITE!
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Wait, but you're a robot....
You shouldn’t have sense of self!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Cardinal trivia
World Series Rings
There are 5 Cardinals players who have earned 4 or more World Series rings in their playing careers (I assume a World Series ring is earned if a player plays for World Series winning team at any time during the regular season). All 5 of these players were on at least 3 winning WS rosters. While many Cardinals players have earned three WS rings with St Louis including Musial, Kurowski, Haines, Marion, P Martin, etc), no Cardinal has earned 4 rings exclusively as a Cardinal player.
Name the 5 Cardinals with 4 or more WS rings during their playing careers.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions
sheesh,
I can’t think of anyone except Carp (and does he have four, or three?). It can’t be any of our youngsters, neither Beltran nor Berkman has been on a WS winning team before Berk was last year. Lohse?
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
None of the players are current - all retired many years ago.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, well that broadens the possible answers, huh?
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Carpenter? Only team he played for before the Cards was the Jays, and they didn't do anything
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by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I wasn't thinking straight
Carp is old, but not Joe Carter old.
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Jays won the Series in 92 and 93
long before Carp
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bite:
Hornsby
Maris
Frisch
Tino Martinez
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Frankie Frisch earned 4.
1921 and 1922 with the Giants
1931 and 1934 with the Redbirds
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Lonnie Smith?
I recall that he played in a ridiculous number of WS in his career after the Cardinals.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Smith has 3
Phillies, Cards, Royals
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
One of the five has had his number retired by the Cards.
Another was a notoriouly weak hitting shortstop.
Another has a name that is a homonym for a major sport.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hah!
Gotta be Dal Maxvill for one. I think he went to the A’s when leaving the Cards and was part of those Finley teams.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
64 and 67 with STL
72,73,74 with Oakland
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
It cracks me up
that Maxvill had 5 rings. Career OPS: .552.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Carlton has 3
Cardinals, Phillies, Twins
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Time is up - got to get back to work. In addition to Frisch and Maxvill
The others were:
Gene Tenace – Oakland 1972,73,74 and STL 1982
Enos Slaughter – Cardinals 1942 and 1946 and Yankees in 1956 and 1958.
Johnny Hopp – Redbird First baseman during the war years of 1942 and 1944 and with the Yankees on their bench in 1950,51,52
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
After you posted this I cheated and looked
up the list. Shouldn’t you include Johnny Mize?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Based on my wording, you would be correct
My intent was to include players who earned a ring with St Louis and Mize had all 5 of his with the Yankees. I’ll try to word the question more carefully next time.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe he was on that '87 Twins team - that makes the loss that much worse
I just had a sad
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Carlton pitched in 9 games that year for the Twins
and not very well. Left off the postseason roster(s) and declined the chance to dress and sit in the dugout iirc
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Feb 1, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
didn't realize his career ran that long, even if 87 was a bad year.
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by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He officially retired in 1988.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Did anyone see this slight on Colby over at the WWL?
Talking about Rasmus vs Cespedes…
I don’t like the swing, and there’s something about the J.D. Drew way he goes about things.Ouch.
Drew's been worth 48 WAR over his career
So that’s a pretty high compliment.
Also, reaaaaal original FESPN.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
It was tweeted too...
Ben Duronio @Ben_Duronio
An AL Exec about Colby Rasmus via @baseballpro “I don’t like the swing, and there’s something about the J.D. Drew way he goes about things.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
j.d. drew's been a real force for racial equality in this country
finally, lazy baseball executives have a way to denigrate white players who aren’t perceived to be doing enough with their talent.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
he's a hero
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like that one white sprinter on the US Olympic Team
however many years ago.
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 4:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wasn't he mixed race?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the guy from the famous Dan VS. Dave showdown?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Full article requires Insider, but Rasmus notes are free.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
That's a slight on two very good players, and since when was Al Hrabosky a GM?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
al hrabosky wouldn't be as pernicious if he were
A lone nut. He represents a larger group of thought common to many in MLB.
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by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
anyone here see this yet?
from mlbtr
The Cardinals have not made Oswalt a financial offer anywhere close to what he considers sufficient,reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal reiterates that Oswalt seeks a one-year, $10MM deal. Rosenthal questions Oswalt’s leverage, if he remains adamant about pitching for two teams with full rotations in the Cardinals and Rangers.
Oswalt is adam ant dammit!
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2 year 12 million.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Feb 1, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think roy's a little high here.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 1, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think
one thing being overlooked is how confident is the peanut gallery here on Waino’s return to form? I just can’t see being off a year as being a good thing. I just don’t think you can rely on a 20 game winner (OMG I used wins!) from him.
So what is reasonable?
luckily, it doesn't matter how many wins he gets.
it matters that he pitches well.
i don’t see him pitching 200 innings, if that’s what you’re asking. i think they’ll handle him with care this year.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I prefer to call them 'STARTING PITCHER WHO COMPLETES 5 INNINGS AND HIS OFFENSE SCORES MORE RUNS THAN THE NUMBER OF RUNS HE ALLOWS (THROUGH HIS OWN PITCHING OR DEFENSE) WHEN HE EXITS THEN THE BULLPEN DOES NOT ALLOW THE OTHER TEAM TO TIE THE GAME's
Doesn’t quite have quite the same ring to it as their misleading normal name.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think we can expect a mix of '07 and '08 Wainwright.
I don’t think his command is going to be much of an issue, and according to him, his sinker is sinking more and (hard to believe) that he sees more movement on the curve.
by dan on Feb 1, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
If he's seeing more movement on his curve
then he will be featuring one of the great curveballs of all time. That will be absolutely sick.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
and cody will need to be ever present with the towels
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
It’s going to be awkward when my wife walks in on me with nothing on but my socks watching replay after replay of curveballs.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
by Eckstreem on Feb 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll get the cottonwool treatment
but the GM and manager are going to not cave into pressure to use him too much, they’re too intelligent for that.
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 4:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'll be ecstatic
if he gives us 150 innings and an ERA below 4 and, most importantly, no health setbacks … allowing him to come back in 2013 and maybe be the old Waino again.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think that with all the knowledge out there about recovering from these type of surgeries
he should be pretty close to normal.
calling it now….top 5 in Cy young competition
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Gammons actually tweeted CYA
For Waino. Of course Gammons is nuts, so take that for what it’s worth
by mattyfrommo on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Didn't he also pick Bobby Crosby as the AL MVP one time?
preseason of course, but still, even if he had been healthy it’d have been a pretty big surprise.
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by Cardinals645 on Feb 1, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I seem to remember him picking either the Mets or Cubs
to win the world series for something like 5 years in a row when he was still with FESPN
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by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he meant cover your ass!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think the possibilities cover the waterfront.
I looked at the research. Recovery times are improving, even just in the last few years. The younger you are @ time of surgery the better. Waino’s not 25 but he’s not 35 either.
So far, he sounds pretty confident. I’m inclined to say he’ll do pretty well.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 1, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There has been
a lot of talk of a 90-95 win team. How much of that are people basing it off of a return to form by A.D.A.M? That’s all I’m asking. Cause I think we are closer to the Reds that people think.
Optimism works
Just ask the magic thread.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
In my projections post I gave him 196 innings and a 3.8 ERA, good for 3.3 WAR
In retrospect, that’s probably too many innings (and someone here said he’ll be capped at 180). So let’s say, 170 innings. So about 3 WAR.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
So long as he's able to pitch in October, that sounds reasonable and even exciting.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
My question is when will he start
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 7:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Micah Owings
0.2 WAR as a Pitcher
3.0 WAR as a hitter
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Started 19 games (13/7) as pitcher and put up 5.6 WAR as a batter over 380 PA in the same season
who is it and what year?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
answer 1 is correct - ding ding ding
answer 2 is incorrect (extra points … w/o looking: during what years did WW1 transpire?)
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who did Italy fight for?
More like who didn’t Italy fight for, amirite?
by openside on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
didn't get dalmatia after world war one,
so italy was a little bitter.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Italy
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
100 internet bucks for you. Go forth and purchase m&n jersey immediately
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
oh come on
I’m a History Student! Thats like asking me to touch my nose.
1914 – 1918
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
some time in 1914 til 11/11/1918 to be exact
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
but what year did they try to force the Dardanelles?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
is was not before WW1
and not after
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
1918
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 3, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
11 in 11' baby
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
also ... nov 11, 2011 at 11:11:11 am
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
wife was pushing her little heart out at that time
trying for that 11/11/11 baby. Fun times!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
what did it work to to be?
I recall the thread just not the date/time
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
C-section at 1:41 in the morning
11/12. Stubborn kid wanted to come out face up and just couldn’t make it out on her own
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
predicting this year!
gotta be her own woman! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I watch Downtown Abbey,
so I’d have gotten the first year right…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
what an awesome series!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
the series that forces the most mis-spellings of its name.
it’s downton abbey.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm one of the misspellers!
I actually didn’t know it wasn’t called Downtown Abbey until I heard the name in a TV ad for the first time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I watched however many episodes of this are currently available through netflix and pbs in like three days
last week. it was bad for my productivity.
I've come close to buying the season 2 DVD on PBS.org a few times.
Waiting a week is very difficult.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can point you to a website where you can download them directly a day or so after they air on Brit TV months before the states
and it’s legal. it’s for expats. wife and I download all of them and have a downton abbey weekend afterwards. make sure you watch the xmas special before you see the 3rd series
send email if interested
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
let me know if my response helps if you do email me
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's one most excellent series, the Guardian reported the other day
that for series 4, Shirley Maclaine will be playing Lady Grantham’s mother, can’t wait to Maclaine and Dame Maggie Smith in the same scene….
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
dame maggie is still knocking it out of the park
I almost wish I hadn’t heard of this series until it was over so I could watch all they make at once. hate the wait for next season!
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, same with the new Sherlock Holmes series, 3 episodes just
goes by to fast to wait almost a half year or longer for the next set of three.
by Tuning in from Korea on Feb 1, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the first episode of that recently
I was quite surprised by how much I liked it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
loved it personally ... and yes TifK waiting sucks!
I’m a holmes fan in general, also love the jeremy brett series. I’m looking forward to next season’s Sherlock
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
heh, I did almost exactly the same
it’s great; it’s basically a soap opera, but you can convince yourself it’s classier than that cause of the period costumes and accents
Iowa Public Television showed back-to-back episodes on consecutive Sundays in late December.
Needless to say, that hooked me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
babe ruth did not play in the show before 1914
(forgot you are not a life long baseball fan momentarily – (not being snarky))
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
incorrect on both accounts, but he had one hell of a 1887 with 4.4 batting WAR and 29/9 record
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
he was pretty amazing
learnt something here
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Old Hoss laughs at your puny 29 wins
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
presume you are talking about Old Hoss Radbourn
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was scouted by a guy without a radar gun
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yah he of the 1300 innings of 175 ERA+ baseball and 107 wins in 1883-4
A sidearmed and sub mariner style somebody once said he had 12 pitches
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
how'd he make it through 1300 innings then?
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"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Trade him for Kmac and put him in center!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are we talking about downton abbey now?
Why do I like it so much?
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 1, 2012 7:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
it's always fun when a community of people settle on something as very good
all around the same time.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
because it's a ripping yarn
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
btw anyone ever see this michael palin series? Loved the title as well as michael palin (also around the world in 80 days etc)
Ripping Yarns
Monty Python comic geniuses Michael Palin and Terry Jones spoof adventure tales once popular among British schoolboys in this hilarious BBC series, covering heroic stories of bravery in war, death-defying expeditions and black magic.
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
You still on Season 1 or moved on to Season 2?
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
Season 2
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 8:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
make sure you see the christmas special
before season 3 rolls around
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 2, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is there any way other than the Cards re-signing Jackson that we do';t get a draft pick for him?
Just win
eaten by a tiger.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 4:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
how many wins will the team have this year (assuming no additional signings)
96
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions
94
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Feb 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone needs to take their number and add 11
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
still on the old playoff system you know...
11 playoff wins+regular season
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
1 game playoff for the wild card!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
108
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
107
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
12
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
So 4 of the 5 best records in the Western Conference are in the Central
And the Central has 4 of the top 7 in the NHL. I don’t like Seeing Phoenix hold the three seed
SIGN ROYO
Milk: 1% > 2 % > Soy > Skim
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Non-animal milk tiers:
God tier: Almond
Good tier: Coconut (the drink, not the cooking stuff, which is heavenly, but not really the topic at hand nowisit?)
Meh tier: Rice
Barf tier: Soy
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i'd generally agree with this, except i'd have soy up in the meh tier.
i like it alright.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i'm trying to think of a milk substitute that i've actually disliked.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Soy is okay for pouring on honey bunches of oats
But I would never drink it
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I tried a sip of soy milk once
It reminded me of grass. Not a flavor I’m looking for in milk.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
IT"S JUICE!!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
this sounds about right
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
nertlerb tier: 2%
meh tier: all other milk
by DanUpBaby on Feb 1, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec for nertlerb.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
But what about 1/2%?
We switched from 2% to 1%. Now 2% tastes like heavy cream.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I did the same
went to 1%, now 2% tastes kinda weird. it is, after all, twice as much fat, right?
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
> Spilled
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
But not worth crying over
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like to chew my milk so
I’ve got Skim at the top of the list.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Why are your opinions so terrible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Why are you the way that you are?
I hate so much about the things that you choose to be.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is funny
because my wife and son were singing “I think I’m turning Japanese” at the dinner table tonight. And yes, I know rui isn’t of Japanese decent, but sorta in the same vicinity.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
or descent, even.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I drink skim.
Weekend writers, bitches! Represent!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 4:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
skim
I get enough fat from other sources
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
If I wanted cloudy water, I'd just drink straight from the tap.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Wife will bring home skim once in a while.
Then I pour it on my cereal without realizing. Might as well have just stuck the bowl under the faucet. Awful.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
You have 1% and 2% in the wrong order.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 1, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
whole
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Feb 1, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I admire those who just drink whole milk
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
2% is my favorite
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I vote almond.
Plain, not the vanilla stuff. Soy milk is the devil’s ejaculate.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Whole is first
And does eggnog count as milk?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
why do you mericans
Have silly names for milk? It’s whole, semi or skimmed damnit!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Feb 2, 2012 6:45 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
How do you differentiate between 1% and 2%?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Feb 2, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I now have the whole family gathered 'round the computer to watch.
Heartwarming.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I love you
If I had the money I’d buy you the entire internet and I’m not afraid to say it.
In other words, thanks, this is funny and pretty cool
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it's a novelty cowboy hat
I found it backstage. It’s funny.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Feb 2, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I always felt Burt Reynolds > Sean Connery in Celebrity Jeopardy.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda did too
I’m not sure if I really do, I mean, I don’t know if I actually laughed as much at the Reynolds character. But for one thing, I always had a soft spot for Norm MacDonald, and two, the Connery character was an inaccurate-but-funny impersonation in the vein of Dana Carvey’s George Bush, and it kind of wore on me after a while.
I am typing this in a post two days after the fact because it is not yet 6:30 on a Friday morning, and I have been awake since roughly 5, and the house is quiet now and I’m bored.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
cardinals guy on mlbn right now, playing the trivia game
against a cubs guy.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
what kind of questions do they ask?
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
baseball questions
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's basically
“name mlb players who fall into this category” such as most home runs hit by brothers or 2012 postseason starters or most seasons played.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
"Starters for the last Chicago Cubs WS winner"
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Um..
1B- Australopithecus?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
2B - Iguanadon
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Tinkers, Evers, chance
Also until the Cubs rename thier curse to the proper Curse of Fred Merkle name and/or go back in time and undo what they did to Bartman then I cannot respect that following
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is this a new Gary Oldman movie
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
We pulled a Bartman with Denkinger.
Let’s not get too high on our horse lest we fall.
by openside on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good point, but Dekinger wasn't a Cardinals fan
That said, you’re right
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 2, 2012 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heh, reminds me of the other day, went to a swim meet at a school I wasn't familiar with
So I had to ask the ticket taker, “Where is the swim meet?” Her response: “In the pool.”
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hurt my rib laughing at this
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was pretty horrible
We can’t have a Cub destroy us like that
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He got destroyed by a cubs fan, they were both dumb
The countdown afterward was pretty cool. I hate 2004 topped it, especially when it just weird over this year and the shot heard ’round the world, but you have to repect it and they probably got the top three exactly right
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I did appreciate him saying he didn't like talking about the Yankees
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
loved the wayne world 2 reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw1cHykOxqg
Rzepczynski tough name to say, tough sinker to hit-Lance Berkman
I think that's actually the first Wayne's World
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
They're not my team, but I don't really have a problem with them
and these dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down are nuts.
by cardinalswsbound on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
im not a griffin fan
i was but he has gotten way too arrogant, didnt like him coming out of college thought he was over hyped…force Lob city to shoot for 4 qtrs and you are favored to win
Rzepczynski tough name to say, tough sinker to hit-Lance Berkman
DVD
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 1, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
und die blumen abgefallen.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Renaming Albert Pujols’ restaurant
Pujols 5 Restaurant to be re-branded the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame Bar and Grill. Expect an announcement tomorrow #stlcards
— John Marecek (@JohnMarecek) February 2, 2012
They should probably name the new restaurant:
Appreciate What You Had!
Life Is Still Good!
Why So Sad?
Eat Hamburgers!
Albert’s
Al’s
Burger SWING
NL Central Favorites Still
Just A Game Anyway
The Golden Arches*
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 AM EST reply actions
Probably a good idea
From what I hear, they could probably stand to improve the food too
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Scrap value has to be fairly decent now....
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Condensing a pile of Marecek tweets here:
@C70 I believe the statue and restaurant’s name are independent. Long way of saying I don’t know
@macewank We’ll find out how this came about tomorrow when those involved speak. I don’t believe he has any ownership
@StlCrdsfn11 It took a hit initially, not sure recently. The name change was inevitable when he bolted.
The release is out regarding Pujols 5 name change to St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame Bar and Grill. Quote from Pujols #stlcards….
Pujols "I want to wish Pat Sr, Dave, Pat Jr, and the rest of the Hanon family nothing but success and happiness with their new restaurant"
Pujols "They are passionate about what they do and that is why the Hanon’s are the best in the business." #stlcards
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
This sounds like it was written by a publicist.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 2, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
it's funny to hear jon stewart and brad pitt talk about
Sabermetrics.
Best joke of night: you know, they should make a movie about a team that spends a lot of money but still stinks. They could call the tean . . . Hypothetically . . . The Mets.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Every time he has basketball guy on the last few years he asks
So……….are the Knicks going to be good soon?
SIGN ROYO
by Notorious PSC on Feb 2, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's close enough to be decided by injuries
May the best medical staff win
Mark Attanasio is the best.
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