The Best of Dave Duncan
by DanUpBaby on Jan 6, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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PrintReports as of Thursday night indicate Dave Duncan will be stepping down (on an as-yet-undetermined basis) from his job as the St. Louis Cardinals' official mad pitching scientist for family reasons—given Duncan's enduring love for turning batting practice pitchers into targeted groundball delivery systems and his wife's health problems those family reasons are probably very serious indeed, and it seems trifling, by comparison, to worry about where this puts the Cardinals right now.
In honor of where he put the Cardinals, though, we interrupt our regular cooling-stove updates for a Dave Duncan Crazy Pitching Season Mixtape, biased heavily toward the recent and the crazy. (With all apologies to Dave Stewart and Chris Carpenter, respectively.)
Joel Pineiro 2009: The first time someone with clubhouse access reported it and started the meme I was a little surprised that Duncan did little in the way of mechanical adjustments—that this ostensibly enormous part of every pitching turnaround was left to the rest of his staff. Sometimes I wondered if that meant that his job was just making really obvious and potentially ridiculous suggestions about pitching while cloaked in his long run of success.
Anyone who's played a baseball video game has wondered what would happen if your cannon-fodder fifth starter decided to just throw every pitch into the bottom half of the strike zone; Dave Duncan was able to actually get his cannon-fodder fifth starter to do it, because he was Dave Duncan, the Kent Bottenfield Guy.
At one point, as a result, Joel Pineiro had a strikeout rate of 3.79 and a walk rate of 0.91. Dave Duncan didn't do the mechanics stuff, I guess, because he was too busy telling non-roster invitees, "Hey, wouldn't it be neat if you could just act like you were pitching in the Dead Ball Era?" and walking away.
Honorable mention: In 2010 Duncan apparently made the same suggestion to Brad Penny, who went 5.7/1.5 in nine starts before his own grand slam broke the spell.
Braden Looper: Hey, wouldn't it be neat if you hadn't been a relief pitcher since high school?
Kent Bottenfield, 1999: Kent Bottenfield is proof that the thought has at least crossed the mind of the rest of baseball that Dave Duncan is an actual sorcerer. I know it was 1999, and that 18-7 is a very impressive win-loss record, and that teams were not as smart then as they are now.
But Kent Bottenfield was 30 years old, did not have particularly impressive stuff, and had, after the All-Star Break, finished the season 4-4 with an ERA of 4.25—and if there's one form of statistical analysis teams have always been willing to use, it's drawing conclusions from tiny, arbitrary sample sizes. Look, I'm willing to be convinced that the Angels didn't trade Jim Edmonds for him with the intent of creating a Dave Duncan cargo cult out of Bottenfield jerseys, mullet wigs, and coconut bullpen-phone fetish objects, but I won't be easily persuaded.
Andy Benes 2002: In 2001 Andy Benes was worth -2.9 bWAR in 107.1 innings.
Wells, Kip and Brett Tomko, et al: This one goes out to all the times we as Cardinals fans thought, "If Dave Duncan can turn Woody Williams into Woody Williams, imagine what he could do with a guy who has a real fastball!"
Woody Williams: In 2001 I was 14, just beginning to understand "advanced stats" (read OPS), and the world's biggest Ray Lankford fan, and it killed me that Woody Williams so quickly became the perfect Dave Duncan pitcher. I don't think I ever forgave Dave Duncan for it, let alone Woody Williams.
Lankford wasn't just my favorite player, he was my first chance at that intoxicating early-sabermetrics feeling of complete, undeserved superiority—he wasn't having a bad year, after all (.235/.345/.496) just an ugly one, and the Cardinals were trading him at the bottom of his value for some boring pitcher with a 4.97 ERA. Lankford went on to have a great second half in San Diego, which would have fit that narrative just perfectly.
Unfortunately, I hadn't, at 14, perused the two-year-old research on defense-independent pitching, or else I would have been less surprised by Williams's infuriating 7-1 finish to the season. He carried a 2.75 K:BB ratio into the trade, and he was almost exactly the same pitcher in St. Louis, with one important exception—not ground balls, Duncan's most immediately apparent fascination, but pitching to (even weaker) contact.
The part of me that read up on DIPS a few years later is nervous about saying this, but the Woody Williams for whom the Cardinals traded allowed a ton of fly balls, and a ton of home runs on those fly balls—as frequently as 10%, against a league average of 8%. The one the Cardinals got, the Dave Duncan model, allowed a ton of fly balls—fewer than he had before, but more than the league average—and gave up home runs on them a little more than half as frequently as he had that year in San Diego.
Williams was a weird pitcher in general—both before and after St. Louis he had a much lower BAbip than you'd expect (a career mark of .280), and his career FIP was 0.44 higher than his career ERA. While he was with St. Louis things got weirder still; his FIP fell to met his ERA, and together they hovered about half a run below his xFIP—the fielding-independent ERA you'd expect him to have with an average number of fly balls turning into home runs.
Williams confounded casual observation, and early-aughts sabermetrics, and two different brands of contemporary sabermetric thought, and that—in addition to his 45-22 record—makes him the perfect Dave Duncan pitcher. And that's what I'll miss most about Dave Duncan: As long as he was around, I was willing to believe—no matter how much I thought I knew about baseball—that he and a thirtysomething waiver claim were about to prove me terribly wrong about something.
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I'll always remember Dave Duncan for his haunted amusement park.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
rui's got some tips for you for suppressing that gag reflex
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
don't you mean rui's mom?
if not, damn
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
no, I mean rui
he was bragging about a pressure point he had discovered to suppress the gag reflex.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Haha oh yeah I forgot about that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
can you describe said presure point
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
you're all a bunch of sick bastards.
It’s on the palm.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
mucho grasias
is this the same one rui spoke of?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC, yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sick bastard?
I’m preparing for a eating contest here. Surely you do not mean to insult me by suggesting this is knowledge would be used for deviant sexual acts, do you good sir?
Grit != flat out sucking.
you know, I got called down for shit like this a couple of weeks ago.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
that's about what my comment amounted to
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
it was more who you were replying to, IIRC
rockstark has quite the vulgar reputation
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I must have missed that
well, he has no one to blame but himself.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
She was born without a gag reflex...
Natural born talent cannot be denied!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Funny that you think there are actually good subthreads.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Jan 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
chuckb is that you?
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by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
and he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks gdm ... was one of my perennial favs as a kid .. and my kids loved it as well
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 8, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well said, DanUp.
Loved this
Dave Duncan didn’t do the mechanics stuff, I guess, because he was too busy telling non-roster invitees, “Hey, wouldn’t it be neat if you could just act like you were pitching in the Dead Ball Era?” and walking away.
and this
And that’s what I’ll miss most about Dave Duncan: As long as he was around, I was willing to believe—no matter how much I thought I knew about baseball—that he and a thirtysomething waiver claim were about to prove me terribly wrong about something.
The man just had a way of confounding the natural order of things. To let the batter hit the ball to get quicker outs when the whole idea should be to not let them hit the ball in the first place? It’s lunacy!
But I did find it interesting that in Strauss’ little piece in the P-D last nite, that it said that he would retain some position with the club, just not the actual pitching coach. Evidently, he’ll still be just a phone call away. Let’s just hope that the phone connection is better than the one in Arlington.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions
another (earlier) snippet
seemed to indicate this was (possibly) temporary depending on the outcome of surgery. The article on the P-D makes it sound permanent.
In either case, well wishes to the Duncan family and best hopes for a good outcome (regardless if that mean he comes back).
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I always used Dave Duncan as a crutch.
Anytime they brought in some guy who stunk or was washed up, I wouldn’t worry about it. I’d just tell people that Dave would turn him into the next Cy Young candidate. A lot of guys did much better in our system, but it didn’t work out for everyone. I guess I’ll have to evaluate new pitchers a little more honestly going forward.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Weeeeird
Fangraphs just published a short interview with Dave Duncan that they did a while back (they have been gradually publishing 80s themed interviews, there was a cool one with Wade Boggs a little while ago). Here is the link: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/snapshots-from-the-1980s-dave-duncan/
A big-league catcher for 11 seasons, Duncan went on to become the pitching coach for the Oakland A’s from 1986 to 1995. He currently serves in that role for the St. Louis Cardinals.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Money quote: "A big part of being a pitching coach is recognizing what a pitcher does well, and honing it."
That basically is Piñeiro, right? “Joel, you have a great sinker. We should use that. Over and over again.”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
"Jaime, you have perfect facial hair. Groom it. Over and over again."
"He probably misses his old glasses."
"... must be perfect... must have perfect beard... must be perfect for Dave..."
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Can pitching coaches go to the HoF?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
In theory, yes. But one has not been inducted.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
is there the same 5 year wait for coaches?
If so, it’ll be cool if Dave and Tony went in together.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
The question then is does DD have what it takes to be the first?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he doesn't, then no one does.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
This
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree
there hasn’t been another non-managerial coach like him
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Duncan was good, but
There has been another pitching coach more highly regarded
than Dave Duncan, Johnny Sain and Sain never made the HOF.
Sain was pitching coach for the White Sox, Twins, Tigers
back in the 60’s and 70’s. and a number of visiting pitcher’s
sought him out when when coming in to play against the team
he was coaching for. The White Sox accused several teams of
“Tampering” trying to lure Sain away. The league office stepped
in on one ocassion. If Duncan is inducted into HOF then they would
certainly have to induct Sain first.
Click link and read this page about Sain. He was an interesting fellow.
Last guy to pitch to Babe Ruth and first guy to pitch to Jackie
Robinson. Also nice little poem on the famous baseball saying. “Spahn
and Sain and two days rain.”
by ridgesee on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
awesome stuff ridgesee..
the whole last to Ruth, first to Robinson bit is great. I’ve always quoted it as “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain”
rec'd for reply ... works for both alltookies subject line and body comment ha
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with this part
If Duncan is inducted into HOF then they would certainly have to induct Sain first.
That may be the ‘fair’ thing to do, but the HOF isn’t really fair. Duncan worked in a different time than Sain. Even the causal baseball fans know that Duncan “is the best pitching coach ever.” The media just has so much more information now than it did back in the 60’s and 70’s
Grit != flat out sucking.
This was kind of what I was basing my initial comment on.
I had to go to work, or I would have expanded on it.
Anyway, yeah, Dunc is one of the best pitching coaches ever. Couple that with his sterling reputation among his peers (I presume his induction would come via the Veteran’s Committee) and his longevity and it’s hard argue against his induction.
And honestly, Dunc will get (has gotten) a boost to his rep by being along side TLR for so long.
Sain worked in a different era and went from team to team a lot. Not that he doesn’t deserve to be in. If Dunc gets in, it may open things up to get him more consideration.
Mazzone has to be considered to have similar credentials, rep, and longevity as Dunc, though.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 6, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lincecum, Cain and pray for rain
or, um, Bumgarner and Vogelsong….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
carp, adam, and jaime then please god blind me
by all4tookie on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
poor kyle lohse.
And FWIW I think Lohse/Westbrook stack up reasonably well against:
Narveson/Wolf
Bailey/Arroyo
Think the three contending teams in the NLE all have better 4/5 starters than us, but we’re comparatively OK compared to most teams.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
“carp, adam, and jaime then lohse and westbrook who aren’t very good but hey I mean they are pretty decent back of the rotation starters compared to the rest of the league”
rain
in bed
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
that's better than the 2007 refrain,
Adam and braden loo . . . No.
Adam and kip . . . No.
Adam and muld . . . No.
Adam and reye. . . No.
Please clone waino, or give us season-long rain-o.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
or we'll all be drinking drain-o
hey-o!
by all4tookie on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Batista and Franklin found in a discount bin.
Batista and Franklin get out the gin
Batista and Franklin I’d rather get kicked in the shin
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sain got 34% of the vote for the HOF
as a player so the argument for his enshrinement is pretty strong when you add the two roles together.
Just win
Leo Mazzone. . .
would like to have a word with you.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
wait a minute...
yes because of all the success he had with guys that weren’t named maddux, smoltz, or glavine? He is/was ok but i will not put him in the same class as duncan.
I know he didn’t have a lot to work with in baltimore, but most don’t even remember him being there. It was short time but also not very good.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
And what the heck, let's throw in Johnny Sain, too
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
my fav duncan reclamation
was todd wellemeyer circa 2008. it only lasted one season, because the colonel’s elbow couldn’t handle the transition from relief to the rotation -- but for that one year he went from a sub-replacement level bum who’d never experienced any success in the major league to a 3-win pitcher. almost all of duncan’s other reclamations had at least tasted success at one point or another; wellemeyer had known only failure until dunc got ahold of him.
by lboros on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I took a quick glance at Wellemeyer's stats page just now
What jumps out at me at-a-glance is that he threw his slider a bit more cut his BB/9 by over 1.6. In the DanUp version, I guess Duncan was just standing next to Wellemeyer during practice one day and remarked, “Hey Todd, have you ever thought about throwing a couple more sliders per game? Couldn’t hurt. Also, you should try not walking so many guys. OK, see ya.”
And then Wellemeyer stared off and said, “… Whoa!”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean, it doesn't look like there are any other significant differences to me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
So, in the movie about Dave Duncan
Wellemeyer is played by Keanu Reeves.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't
Duncan also slow Welly down on his fastball so he could be more accurate with it? I seam to remember reading that somewhere.
Fangraphs doesn't really show any difference
Just a gradual year-by-year decrease in velocity, which I would assume is just age-related-decline.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
So Starlin Castro accused of sexual assault, eh?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
whoa. although no charges filed yet.
the picture for this article had to be planned.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I hope it's not true
He is a young kid with a boatload of talent
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I hope it's not true
because I dislike sexual assault.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Thanks for making me look like an ass, azru. :-)
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
We each contribute what we can.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
I am always kind of skeptical claims
When the person doing the accusing got black out drunk
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
my god what did I just write. That makes no sense
I am always kind of skeptical when the person doing the accusing was black out drunk
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
He in the DR right now
I think it would be embarrassing to have bobby valentine call you out for being lazy and not prepared to play while you’re on national tv
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was always fun to watch Duncan talk to pitchers on the mound
mostly because I imagined that it was calm, quiet and profanity-laced. I don’t know why.
He was a great pitching coach. It will be interesting to see if/how the approach of our pitchers change under new coaching.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Steps in Chris Carpenter...
player/coach?
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
I can't see that happening, but it would be pretty awesome.
Gibby 45 has a pretty accurate depiction below of what that would probably be like.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
"Throws Strikes....
….or I’ll break your face"?? Hmmmmm, not HOF material, but it mayu work…
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
Has anyone tweeted this to rains yet?
That way he could see what a proper article looks like, and answer his question from last night.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
football baseball coach comparisons
Had the pleasure? of meeting both Bobby Petrino (Arkansas – among others – head football coach) and Dunc on a couple of occasions. From my perspective they shared two things in common – 1) singular genius, offense for Petrino and pitching for Dunc – 2) a persistant look on their face (and likely in their heart) that they were greatly pained by having to deal with the public/fan (including me) aspect of their occupation – they both worked a room (only because they had too) with the same joy one usually associated with trimming thorn bushes…..I got the impression they would both prefer working their trade in laboratory with no fans or general public or fanfare….probably both great guys and yes, the public can be a pain…but kinda funny nonetheless….body language that screams “get these humans away from me”…..also loved his secret journals that he no doubt guarded with his life…..no doubt meticulously kept with a archives in a vault buried deep under the Arch for safekeeping
by Hinkster on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Chris Carpenter for player / Pitching Coach
Westy: I can’t seem to get my sinker down in the zone
Carp: I don’t give a F#* about what you're throwing where. Get a G# D#%@ out!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Dave Duncan IS an actual sorcerer
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well, there apparently is a sci fi/fantasy author named Dave Duncan
Author of such novels as “Children of Chaos”:
and “The Alchemist’s Apprentice”:
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The introduction paragraph of Children of Chaos' protagonist.
Christopher was a tall, strapping lad. A carpenter by trade, he was known as one of the most talented in the land. Christopher’s noted skill was forged by a young adulthood laced with misfortune, injury and disappointment. Now he was known for his fast, quality work, fiery temper, and penchant to scream. It should also be noted that he does not give a f*ck.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
The NL Central could have the three worst teams in the NL next year if Castro gets locked up...
and Garza gets traded.
Sign Roy O
But the top half of the division could be pretty solid.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
50 games against Houston/Chicago/Pittsburgh
should give the NL Central the WC in 2012. Especially considering the parity in the East and the mediocrity in the West.
Sign Roy O
I recently saw a poll in one of those Fangraphs chats about the best non-AL-East division
And the NL East won in a landslide. I kept wondering why people thought it was so good, other than the Phillies. Then I remembered the Braves. And the Marlins. Funny how the Marlins not signing Pujols made me temporarily forget all their other moves.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
And then the Nationals might be on their way to at least being not bad.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
They are probably around a .500 team without Prince
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Are they the consensus favorites right now to land Prince
or was that just another round of speculation?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Rizzo bails out Boras...
So unless someone steps up, the Nationals are always the fall back option
Sign Roy O
Ah, is that a pattern or something?
I honestly have not read up much on Boras outside the normal cliches.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I don't know how much of a pattern it is...
Werth is a Boras client, as are all of the big name kids the Nationals have drafted recently.
Sign Roy O
Ah, cool
Interesting stuff. It does seem just a matter of time before the Nationals are competitive, with all the drafting and the ridiculous revenue potential in their market. The Werth contract seemed like the confirmation that they were headed there soon.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Not sure why they would want Prince, honestly
Over the last two seasons, in 868 PA’s, Mike Morse is hitting .298/.357/.539 with 46 homers. Looking at his minor league numbers, he makes you wonder how Mark Hamilton would do if he got to play full time as they look like similar players.
They also have Chris Marrero at AAA and he looks like a Casey Kotchman type player — didn’t do well with a limited opportunity last year, but he was hurt, and he’s only 22.
Maybe if they didn’t have Jayson Werth’s ridiculous contract on their books, they would take a shot at Prince. Just seems it would be better for them to roll the dice with Morse/Marrero than to pony up $180M for a first baseman when what they really need is a left fielder.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
For what it's worth
I just saw some stuff on MLBTradeRumors saying the Nationals plan to go with Laroche at 1B.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Not a bad option either, really
Especially if you stick Morse in LF in place of Nix and wait for the inevitable Bryce Harper mid-season call up to play CF.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Looking at their minor leagues and MLB pitching depth
This team is going to be very, very good in short order without Prince Fielder. I’m not sure why they would even entertain taking on his contract at this point.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Yeah
I mean, maybe the thinking is that, if they can afford it, why not go all the way? Maybe? I dunno, I am not exactly a good prognosticator.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
They could certainly do worse than signing him, if they have the money to do so
Harper, Prince, Zimmerman is a pretty damn fantastic 2-3-4 with Werth hitting 5th.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
It would be so weird to think of the Nationals being good
Still trying to prepare myself for that one.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
and Marlins.
bizarro NL this year. Jays and Royals being competitive soon would complete the decade-long overhaul that saw the Rays, D’backs, Rangers, and Tigers jump to the top of the league
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I have a dog and a cat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's it, I'm gonna start stocking up on canned goods tomorrow
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Are you actually the big black woman from Tom and Jerry?
THOMAS!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 6, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm surprised you know enough about Tom and Jerry to make that comment.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
If the Nationals sign Prince
I don’t see the Marlins as any better than 3rd in that division. And that’s if they can figure out a way to stay ahead of Atlanta.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
It doesn't really seem to me that they "need" Fielder very much
So I am wondering how likely it is that they sign him and take on another huge contract. But, who knows.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If no-one else is in on him
I think it’s possible they could get a fair deal. He’s only 27, so anything less than $20m AAV and anything less than 7 years probably isn’t too bad and maybe even has a chance of some surplus value.
I wouldn’t touch the guy with a bargepole, and think he makes more sense in the AL, but the Nats wouldn’t be a bad landing place if he drops to something like 6/$120m. Guessing he won’t though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those specifics are kind of up in the air still and will be crucial.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Not sure Hamilton has anything like Morse's power
if anything Mark H has taken a backwards step in that regard in recent years. His numbers at Memphis last year looks pretty mediocre if you take the BABIP into account.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Go look at Morse's minor league numbers
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=morse-001mic
In 1287 PA’s at AAA, he hit only 34 homers and slugged .461.
In 753 PA’s at AAA, Mark Hamilton has hit 26 homers and slugged .530.
That’s what I’m referring to when I made the comparison. If Morse can have a coming out party in the MLB at age 28/29, one wonders what Mark Hamilton could do given 500 PA’s, considering that he seems to have better skills than Morse did at the same age.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I'm going to assume
Morse is the exception, and not the rule, then. After watching Hamilton bat this year, there is no way I could envision him as a ML starter.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Well, what's the rule?
MLE’s? Because MLE’s don’t have a very good track record projecting players either. Probably the best that we have currently, however.
I think Hamilton is a AAAA hitter as well, but it’s hard to argue with his results at AAA so far. Also, I think I’ll take statistical metrics over your “I can’t envision him as a ML starter” subjective analysis.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
that's fair
but my envisioning is based on how he’s performed in the minors. what i was trying to say is that just because Morse has been able to rake in the majors with the minor league numbers he had doesn’t mean Hamilton will be able to. the rest was just a fan’s take on what i’ve seen, as in he looked like shane peterson and pete kozma at the dish.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
and then the NL Central won the wildcard
with both teams advancing to the NLCS by beating the best from the East and the best from the West.
World Series appearances 2002-2011
ALC – 2
ALE – 5
ALW – 3
NLC – 4
NLE – 3
NLW – 3
Grit != flat out sucking.
And the other two ended in a Championship.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Jesus, we're gonna win 100 games this year
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
And we get 6 of 15 against the Brewers while they're without Braun...
and we also face the AL Central next year – 6 against the Royals, 3 vs. each of Indians/White Sox/Tigers.
Interleague continues to be pretty unfair – Brewers get a series vs the Yankees while the Reds play the Blue Jays.
Sign Roy O
I see future WOOOOOOOOO's on the horizon.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Despite popular opinion, I have bigger worries then sports. Love, Jesus
by Forsch's2nohitters on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
must resist image link.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Damn it robot
You banned Jesus Christ from VEB
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Houston's not in the division though
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
They are next year.
They move after 2012.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
oh nice!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I sent you an email to your AIM account
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I replied
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Pittsburgh is going to be as bad as everyone is projecting
Outside of McCutchen, everybody had bad years for them last year and they still outperformed their Pythag by two games. I think they’ve made some good moves to fill holes this offseason (Barmes, Bedard, Barajas, McClouth) while not spending a lot of money, and their rotation is pretty solid and has some talented depth with McPherson at AAA and on the 40 man roster.
I still think there’s a chance they bring back Maholm, they have a solid bullpen, and there’s just no way Pedro Alvarez is going to be that bad again in 2012. He’s just to talented to hit .190 for two straight seasons.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
You had me until. . .
you said their rotation was “pretty solid”. They might have the least talented starting rotation in the NL. They have exactly one guy with plus stuff in James McDonald, and he walks too many guys. They were last in the NL in K/BB ratio as a staff on 2011.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Bedard is better than anyone in their 2011 rotation
I still think they will end up signing Maholm when the market doesn’t net him the offer he’s looking for. If not, they could do way worse than making Edwin Jackson the anchor of their future staff — they can certainly afford it. So: Bedard, Maholm/Jackson, Correia, McDonald, Ohlendorf/Karstens/McPherson isn’t solid?
I guess I just disagree. And that’s certainly not the least talented staff in the National League. The Rockies, Mets, and the Cubs (assuming Garza or Dempster gets dealt, and I’m reasonably sure that one or both of them will).
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Bedard was a bizarre pickup for a team with zero chance of contending, IMO
I’m also bemused as to why he wanted to go there.
FWIW I agree with you that the Mets and possibly Rockies don’t look great in terms of pitching – I think you could add Houston as well, especially if Wandy leaves.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think it screams of Billy Beane..
1. Pick up grizzled vet.
2. Hope grizzled vet has good start to year.
3. Wait for desperate team with injury problems to offer real prospects in trade.
4. profit.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Ummm
4.???
5.Profit!!!!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Pirates' rotation might perform better
than the Mets’ or Rockies’ in 2012. I don’t think so, at least not with respect to the Mets, but I’m willing to accept the argument.
But from a talent perspective, I’d take either of those rotations over the Pirates.
Bedard is probably tied with R.A.Dickey for the best pitcher in any of those rotations right now. The rest of the Pirates rotation, however, is pretty meh. James McDonald and Jonathan Niese are basically the same guy, except Niese is younger and has better control. Ditto Jhoulys Chacin for the Rockies (minus the control). And none of those guys are as talented as Alex White or Drew Pomeranz. Granted, they’re more major-league ready. White and Pomeranz should both probably start in AA or AAA.
If Charlie Morton gives up 6 HR in 171 innings again, I’ll send you a million internet dollars.
Karstens may have channelled Joel Piniero successfuly for a year. If he repeats it, I’ll grant you him.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
The West is pretty appalling
the deeply mediocre D’backs look the best of a crappy bunch.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Rockies could be alright
they have lots of guys that can hit
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
But you gotta like how their rotation is set up going forward
Their 2010 first round pick was some kind of secret genius. “Oops, we picked a dude with a broken shoulder. Can we get the number 7 pick in next years draft instead?”
by purple_haze on Jan 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The central had the wild card in 2011
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah, we have it good here in the Central
But the Angels/Rangers might have it even better cleaning up against the Athletics/Mariners.
by purple_haze on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The AL West seems like a hard place to hit ground balls to the left side
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Aybar, Andrus, Boog, and Cliff Pennington? Two out of the 4 are top-flight defenders, one is slightly above average, and the other has the the same last name as a former NFL QB.
AL Central is pretty good too, Ramirez, Peralta, Escobar, dragged down by Cabrera though.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he "worked" with those two
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah, Weaver sucked in the regular season.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Has this been mentioned today?
101.1 FM cuts 5 to put Chris Duncan in key role
Ousted was Cliff Saunders, who hosted a night show and filled a key
jack-of-all-trades role. And there have been more, lower-profile layoffs,
too. Post-Dispatch Cardinals beat writer Joe Strauss and Rams beat writer
Jim Thomas, who added news and insight from being around the team every day,
have been dropped. So have a producer and part-time board operator.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
Saunders had said months ago
That he was leaving to take a better job. Not sure if he was fired.
by Cheeseballs on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would explain this Strauss tweet last night
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Am gonna miss my twice weekly hits w/@miklasz and @msmallm2 on @BernieShow. Good time. #MovingOn
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Move on out of town ya bum
Head out to the land of Halo’s and let them enjoy your wit and wizdom for a while
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
at least with Duncan on the Fast Lane
there is someone to listen to who actually knows stuff about baseball. Now if Randy and D’marco would just stop attacking saber-metrics we’ll be fine.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Yeah, haven't heard him but seems to be impressing the right folks wtih his candor I'm really surprised there hasn't been more buzz on the Joe Strauss dismissal though
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I rather enjoy listening to Dunc.
Hopefully, he can shut D’Marco up.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
what he need now
is some Morgan Ensberg to come in advocating advanced stats!
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
he = we
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Duncan is strangely enjoyable to listen to
even though he’s pretty clueless with advanced stats. And he loves him some “experience.” I think he might be better in small doses than a full time gig.
I would agree
He isn’t the smartest guy I have ever listened too, but he employs some interesting commentary. He told a story last night about an experience he had in A-Ball…dude was cracking me up.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Yea
Their idea was pure genius even though it was an exeuction fail
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
link?
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Can’t you just ask me to summarize like a normal human being? Instead, I have to go search for a link to make you happy. I don’t know how you sleep at night.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
welcome to the computer age
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
LOTS of drugs.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Here ya go
"Linky"http://www.101sports.com/category/shows-thefastlane
Click on the Thursday podcast, the 4-5 time slot, and fast forward to the 24-minute mark
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Jeez, profuse thanks. I would have been completely fine with a mere summary.
But instead you went and searched for a link to make me happy, and even gave me a minute mark at which to start. I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep at night knowing I would never give this much effort.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if you're joking, but I was actually being serious.
I didn’t mean to make him do all that work. Bravo, AJ
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
i was joking / mocking
i wish this was the most antagonistic VEB got.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I avoid conflict as a rule.
I don’t like turning into HULK. I always have to buy new clothes afterward.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
SHUT UP
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
YOU SHUT UP.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I spent a couple hours recently looking for this one...
ALL HAIL “eelcat vivaelbirdos”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
YOU SHUT UP
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
damn, that's funny
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't mind at all
I was just messing with you
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I mentioned Dunc and Rammer switching roles a couple of nights ago
but I didnt know about the other stuff until Bob Stelton posted it on his facebook page yesterday.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Look, I’m willing to be convinced that the Angels didn’t trade Jim Edmonds for him with the intent of creating a Dave Duncan cargo cult out of Bottenfield jerseys, mullet wigs, and coconut bullpen-phone fetish objects, but I won’t be easily persuaded.
Congratulations, you have just won VivaElBirdos (2012 edition).
Still bitching to contact.
You guys?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't get this
But feel like I should
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
What time do you want me to come over?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Rec'd
for use of the term “cargo cult”, an uncommon but interesting notion.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions
I have a piece called Cargo Cult Coachin on my hitting client site
The point is that so many people do things simply because they see people do them, not because they understand why they do them.
Boog would have made that play.
OT: For the next person that tells you "....but then I took an arrow to the knee"
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions
This whole meme is not funny to me
Because my cousin actually did take a arrow to the knee. Someone shot him while he was hiking. Never found the person who did it
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
is your cousin the sheriff of nottingham?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Am I the only one who confuses Men in Tights with Prince of Thieves?
IF I VAZ YOU I VOULD NOT DO ZAT AGAIN!
Yes
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
holy crap
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Does he no longer do any adventuring?
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
was waiting for this.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Good time to job shop
Try Maytag.com. Work is pretty quiet there as I recall from the commercials.
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
If it wasn't for people life would be perfect.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
kill'em all, I say
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
This is a friend of mine that I grew up with.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions
For sure
Wasn’t Rizzo the centerpiece of the A.Gon trade last year? I know he struggled a bit this year, but trading him for Cashner seems like a sell-low move for SD.
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He hit really well in AAA.
Not that it seems difficult to do in the PCL.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
cashner's a pretty good pitcher, iirc. he was
The top cubs prospect for a while, I think.
Rizzo seems like a decent, but not great 1b prospect, pretty comparable to matt adams.
Seems like a pretty decent trade.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what's a good comparable (in the Cards organization) for Cashner?
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Lynn and Cashner are both 25 year old 6'5 righties...
taken 20 picks apart in the 2008 draft. Cashner seems to be more highly touted, but has only managed half the minor league innings Lynn has, and he’s performed somewhat worse. Lynn has also been clearly better in the major leagues. Cashner does throw harder than Lynn, but I’m not sure if either has a leg up in terms of someday sticking in a starting rotation.
Sign Roy O
Cashner got moved to the bullpen in 2010, then he hurt his shoulder last May.
Hasn’t made it back to pitching yet. I would assume the Padres are turning him back into a starter if they’re giving up Rizzo for him.
This seems like a really damn good deal for the NorthSiders on the face of it.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Okay,
so I’m thinking I’d rather have Lance Lynn than Matt Adams.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Rizzo has to be better than Adams, right?
A year younger, better track record, not hugely fat, more walks…
Sign Roy O
Not to mention
Cashner has a shoulder injury. I’d rather have any top 100 position player prospect than any pitcher with shoulder problems.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I don't know. I'm just going off what tom s. said above.
Rizzo is probably better in terms of obp, but I’m sure Adams is better in regards to slg.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
they sound pretty similar, except for the more walks.
also, individual ranks list rizzo as slightly better:
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
I like Rizzo better became he's not fat as fuck
But more importantly, he can take a walk. His power might not be quite on par, though.
I don’t know much about Cashner (Cubs prospects always seem to be a blind spot for me)
by purple_haze on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These iPhone typos are becoming unbearable
by purple_haze on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you and Chris Duncan, it appears
@chrisduncan11
Epstein familiar, this I pad is killing my spelling
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
if anyone is lurking and considering joining the blog, "epstein-familiar" would be an awesome username.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
wouldn't they need to be from Boston?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone was low on Rizzo.
But when the Padres picked up Alonso in the Latos trade, the Padres ended up with one two many 1B candidates. I would have traded Alonso but if you care about small sample ML stints, he did a lot better than Rizzo. Also could be that Epstein wanted his man back in Rizzo.
by purple_haze on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
He takes walks, though, and he’s had good contact rate in the minors. He’ll give decent value back at 1B, probably more than Cashner will ever be worth as a starter.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
That seems like a great deal for the Cubs...
They’d all but quit on Cashner as being a starter and Rizzo could play 1B for them in 2012.
Clearly, Theo likes Rizzo a lot as he tried to keep him out of the A-Gon deal until the very last minute as well.
Pads clearing space at 1B for Alonso it appears….
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Rizzo looks like he swings in slow motion
He looked completely atrocious in his short stint in SD last year. Scouts seem to like him though.
perusing the collected scuttlebut at bcb, it seems the pads will use cashner in setup (at least this year), rather than as a starter.
and the cubs will start lahair at first, with rizzo continuing in the minors.
if cashner doesn’t move out of the bullpen eventually, this seems like a pretty poor return for the padres.
and if lahair is going to start at first base, this is going to be a pretty terrible year to be a cub fan (albeit with things looking up in the future).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Chris Duncan selling Alan Benes as PC candidate.
(@chrisduncan11)
Also, very complementary of FO for handling the family’s situation.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Interesting
I have to believe daddy Dunc is involved the process to find a replacement.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
And...it's someone else:
St. Louis Cardinals @Cardinals Close
Cards to announce Derek Lilliquist as pitching coach, Dyer Miller as bullpen coach #stlcards
Instant feedback from the robot:
azruavatar @azruavatar Close
I fucking love dyar miller.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Got in a big argument with my boss last night.
Who’s departure is more detrimental to the team? Duncan or La Russa?
Laird
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, after all
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
flying
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Dude needs Photoshopped out of that picture and into everything else.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
for sure
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oooooooohhhhhh if only I was on a commputer with Photoshop right now.
I already have about forty ideas.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
this sounds like a thread that Lookout Landing would excel at
re: their Nyjer Morgan photoshop thread
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Remember that Orioles one with nonchalant Mark Reynolds?
That was also pretty awesome.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
ooooo, have not seen
need to find!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a SBNation blog. Just a forum
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I had one to add, was about to put it on VEB
Then I realized they pretty much covered everything with all of those. Mine was going to be the bigfoot, but of course they did it better.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, they did lots of classic shots
here is bigfoot
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
In mine he was standing on the log and I didn't change the filter
So he stuck out badly.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
On page 36
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 7, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
oh man that was awesome.
There were like 10 pages of them
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
that is one of the best threads I have ever seen.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Had not looked at this ever before. They are masters over there, I rescind my statement.
I would simply embarrass myself attempting to come close to that.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
At VEB, the standard to beat is this:
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
(Yikes, sorry about the size.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
heh
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Also...note to VEB
A Google search of “eelcat vivaelbirdos” provides lots of good pics.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
weird-motte says thank you tbender
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m always amped.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Found while looking for the Motte interview with above quote.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
HALL OF FAME
WILD JASON MOTTE
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
linky
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/5/12/1469664/starting-a-meme
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
This one would prove rather ironic
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this one got 130 recs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
For good reason, I literally started crying.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
All of the gifts were great, I found myself wanting to re-post all of them.
Obviously couldn’t though
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
ie this
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
that's fucking great
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he can ... "see" him
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
that's fantastic
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
here's a start
“Laird on White”
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
here's a start
Laird gets attacked by a cat
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
uhoh
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Did someone say Corey Patterson?
Cause Corey Patterson LOVES the ladies.
They really rev his engine!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
please stop posting corey patterson pictures
by hr on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it's a form of negative reinforcement.
if his name appears…so to will his face.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it's a form of torture
why must I continue seeing his shiny face!??
by hr on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
his best picture...
is one where he looks like he is in a confessional. i’m waiting for the perfect moment.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I assume you're saving the tlr-bunny pictures for the perfect moment as well?
by hr on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
which one?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gah
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how you really separate the two of them.
Since they’ve both been together for so long, how good do you think Tony is without Duncan? I think when TLR left, we still had Duncan so it wasn’t that bad. Now we lost Duncan too and it hurts.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
yeah, i think this is a matter of subjective perception. i'd probably guess duncan, but i don't think any of us really understand
the division of labor between the two, or how either’s departure would impact the club.
i wouldn’t get into an argument with anybody (um, especially my boss) about who was more influential.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Duncan
And I don’t think that it’s close, actually.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Duncan's departure saddens me more than Tony's
Might just be the circumstances though. One goes out on top. The other leaves to be with his wife who has a brain tumor
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dave
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
too hard to tell
IMO we don’t know enough about the inner workings of the organization, but from what I’ve seen as a fan, I agree, probably Duncan
by hr on Jan 6, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Waino on 101.1 now if anyone cares
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
If you could relay whatever he says
That would be awesome
by Cheeseballs on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Waino is talking about Furcal being back
He said he will really help the pitchers. (read – I’m glad I won’t have to pitch with Theriot behind me.)
He also said that he thinks this year’s team is better entering ST than last years.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
He also forgot Jaime is a member of the pitching staff
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Theriot going to be the SS all year?
Better blow up my arm in ST!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Or, this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
So...Wainwright's surgery was a ploy to avoid having to pitch with Theriot at shortstop?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I meant he was glad Furcal is SS this year
but I like the way you guys think.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Waino - 'Hey Beltran, are you busy?"
Voltron – “No, what up man?”
Waino – “I’m about to go snap off a curveball for the first time. Can you tell me what you think?”
Voltron – “Dick!”
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 21 recs
thats good
+1
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
- front office speak
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Well Waino is repaired this year
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sooo glad theriot is gone
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lilliquist named PC
Not sure if mentioned yet.
by Cheeseballs on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Guess I'm OK with this
he seemed, or, that is, the team seemed to do OK while he was filling in this year.
Adding Dyar Miller as bullpen coach is an added plus.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
he ain't no young fella, is he?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
dyar miller is my favorite led zeppelin song
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 6, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Close enough
for a rec
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers ZiPS are out:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/oracle/discussion/2012_zips_projections_milwaukee_brewers
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
doesn't take the possible braun suspension into account
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Or the fact that Fielder isn't coming back.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
With those two factors
their offense goes from “holy crap” to “meh”.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
i like the 83 OPS+
for Nyjer
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
was surprised Aramis projects so well still
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Home Lights
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
every one of their 6 potential starters
projects for a 100 ERA+ or better
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
oh wait thats wrong
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Fiers and Estrada project for 101 and 100 ERA+
but only 94 and 87 innings apiece
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Narveson and Flores project
for 94 ERA+. Go ex-cards!
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Braun's #1 comp
is Lego
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Marcum's #2 comp
is Carp
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I'd buy that. . .
since I suspect that Marcum is about to miss a season thank to surgery, given the way he pitched down the stretch.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think Aramis' #1 comp
is a bit ridiculous: Brooks Robinson?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
erm, racist comps?
Nyjer Morgan: Willie Wilson, Milt Thompson, Dave Roberts
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
he doesnt have to play all of those day games anymore
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure why the ERA+ disparity is so huge between Carpenter and Gallardo
Carpneter: 3.49 ERA, 201 innings, 108 ERA+
Gallardo : 3.46 ERA, 195.3 innings, 117 ERA+
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oh yeah... does ERA+ include park factors?
I have a hard enough time remembering the specifics of Fangraphs stats, let alone stuff like ERA+
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah
And Milwaukee is a much bigger hitters park than St. Louis.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Also, Salas projects for a better ERA than Francisco Rodriguez but a worse ERA+
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It can only be
Park Factors, I think. Isn’t ERA+ just ERA adjusted for park factor?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
and normalized to the 100 scale, yeah
I just checked B-Ref
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
strikeouts?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Fielder's ZiPS
look especially tasty.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
"sea bass gonzalez"
i like a little lightheartedness in lengthy D-bases of stats.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
offensive comps look pretty good:
starting 8 OPS+
brewers:
braun – 135
ramirez – 117
weeks – 116
hart – 116
gamel – 107
aoki – 97
lucroy – 85
sea bass – 81
cardinals
holiday – 132
berkman – 132
beltran – 126
craig – 112 (jay – 100)
molina – 101
freese – 98
furcal – 96
descalso – 93
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
freese :(
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
starting pitching less so (era +)
cardinals
waino – 121
carp – 108
garcia – 105
lohse – 86
westbrook – 83
brewers
greinke – 136
gallardo – 117
marcum – 115
fiers – 101 (estrada 100)
wolf – 100
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Wait, what the hell, so the Brewers are like significantly better than us?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
actually, we're a lot better than offense when you add it up
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
yeah, and Waino's likely a lot worse than his ZIPS projection
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
someone was pointing out that the run-scoring environment neutralizing OPS+ is pulling our pitchers down
and (i would assume) our batters up, in terms of their results. so, if you just looked at raw OPS and ERA, both categories might be more even (in terms of what we should actually expect to occur).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
The Brewers look pretty good according to ZiPS either way
I’m a bit more nervous about this division than I was before.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oh, did he add the Beltran projection?
I didn’t see it before.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
no, i pulled it from the giants page.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
I'm with Timmerman, for the last line
THE WATER COOLER:
What was biggest story of year for Cardinals: The September rally; the World
Series; Tony retiring; Albert leaving?
TOM TIMMERMANN:
Gotta go with the Cards winning the series. La Russa’s retirement and
Pujols’ departure may change the team in years ahead, for those of us who
had the good fortune to be in the ballpark for Game 6, I don’t know that
there’s anything that can compare to that. To be that close to elimination
and survive? That was incredible. Years from now, that’s what people will
remember
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
Got to be the World Series
Is there any debate ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
/fail Timmerman was the only one who picked it. The rest all picked Pujols defection
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
then Timmerman was the only one with the right answer
players come and go, flags fly forever
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
that's right. Pujols leaving was just business.
I don’t think the Cards really would have won by signing him, especially to a $250M deal, and at best they break even in that case. By not signing him they have more flexibility and can sign other deals that have to potential to give them residual value.
Winning the WS was an amazing feat and I don’t think we’ll see a series as exciting as that one for a long time.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I don’t think we’ll see aseriesSeptember and October as exciting as that one for a long time.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
very true
i was just happy to get into the post season. Then I was just happy to beat PHI. Then I was VERY happy to beat MIL. Then I was I was just happy to win game 6. Then…Holy crap, we might win this thing…….WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Timmerman was the only one who picked it. The rest all picked Pujols defection
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
In light of all the recent Cards related activity this offseason,
I have to say this much. It’s easy to be a fan of an organization that is this well-run. The way the Cards have treated Papa Dunc is the way a classy organization acts.
In addition, the shrewd contract negotiations with Pujols, the fabulous job of restocking the farm system, and (with a couple notable exceptions) the ability of Mo to dodge most of the sinkhole free agent contracts has really cemented me as a true fan of this team. While I may not LOVE every move that they make, there is always a very good argument for them.
I look around the league, and I see no other organization that year in and year out continues to better itself with smart trades, good free agent signings, and great drafts. Thank you, Mo and company for ushering in a very good present and a very bright future for our Cardinals.
Ok, I’ll get off my soapbox now.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
by Eckstreem on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think lot's of credit also goes to Papa Dunc
I couldn’t believe he came back and joined the team in the WS. What a class act. A classy org with classy folks.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Dude, that sucks. I have no doubt you'll land back on your feet soon
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I will be all right
The main reason I was working there was for dental/health insurance. Just happy I didn’t just go buy a car
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
You live in STL?
I got 5 openings
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Gotta love VEB,
dude gets a job offer 6 minutes after he’s laid off.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 6, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I actually have had 2 others ones already
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Free agent!!
When you are negotiating don’t forget to mention you are being heavily pursued by a mystery company.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Most importantly - make sure you are getting the 'respect' you deserve
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
ask about their PSCs
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, get your ass out of Ohio and back to the Lou and maybe you can have a job, too.
/ not completely serious
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
So, I guess what I said stands.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
i don't really know if i could sell cell phones
i’d give it a try, but i don’t know if i’d be any good at it
Balls
hah
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
St Peters
Work in St Louis. Well, closer to Chesterfield, but you get the idea
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
I grew up in Saint Peters off harvester and Page ext
Now live in South City
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
isn't that where Gandalf defeated the Balrog?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No
That was on the other side of the river
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 6, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And actually
The Balrog got whacked in a driveby during the fight.
/mostdangeroustowninAmerica
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you do?
If you don’t mind me asking
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, what exactly would you say ya do?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I work in a business office for a local hospital
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS! I AM GOOD AT DEALING WITH PEOPLE!!!
What the hell is wrong with you people?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
You can say that again.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Today was a reaally shitty day
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He looks a little beefy in this picture
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
F'in Banquet Trail
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
was that an early 1980's marillion reference?
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Lol...Angels sign Jorge Cantu per MLBTR
How many first baseman do they need?
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 5:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh man, I remember when I thought he was good
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by CodyG on Jan 6, 2012 6:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lol was it back in 2006 when he put up -2.2 WAR?
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, he's got theriot-type defense
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever season he had like 28 HRs
I was naive, I was young, oh and it’s not that bad for fantasy play.
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by CodyG on Jan 6, 2012 7:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
To be fair he did have two halfway decent
Seasons.
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This, before I got into actual, useful stats, I was awed by his RBIs...
It was a dark time.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
one awesome thing about his career stats
4.7 fWAR, and 476 RBIs, to date. I know, not predictive and doesn’t include runs scored or defense or anything, but that’s a fun bit of meaningless synchronicity. A thing like that could drive a philosopher mad.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I feel bad soiling a Dave Duncan main post with the name Boras,
does anyone else think that Boras’ stature has diminished over the past few years and/or GMs are sick of his tactics? There’s no telling what Fielder or EJax will fetch, but I am pretty surprised at the lack of activity/interest at this point. Boras’ trick of maximizing amount could be in jeopardy if the demand disappears.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I forgot to add Madson to that list.
BTW, Madson was linked in MLBTR to the Cards. That rumor makes no sense to me.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
ya i saw that
A contender like the Cardinals could make a surprise play for Ryan Madson, but the market for the free agent closer currently looks thin. Agent Scott Boras may wait until Spring Training to find a deal, as he has done in the past.
why would we burn that kind of money on an area of strength? Madson almost had a 4/$40ish deal with Philly before the Papelbon deal, and we’re linked to Oswalt but Strauss says he’d most likely come out of the pen. This makes zero sense.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I think thats just pure speculation from
Rosenthal. It doesn’t make any sense at all.
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's more
that he doesn’t have the top free agents this year, removing all his leverage
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
The top free agents have signed though
Now he plays the waiting game to see who blinks first
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 6, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
but among a significantly smaller collection of teams
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Joe Strauss has been let go from the Post. Does he still serve as the beat writer as a free lance or does he have another gig?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
do fucking what?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
let's hope he relocates regardless
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
sorry for getting hopes up /fail
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
meh.
that’s not the first time it’s happened, won’t be the last.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I posted this this morning up thread with link and couldn't believe the cricket sounds
Ousted was Cliff Saunders, who hosted a night show and filled a key
jack-of-all-trades role. And there have been more, lower-profile layoffs,
too. Post-Dispatch Cardinals beat writer Joe Strauss and Rams beat writer
Jim Thomas, who added news and insight from being around the team every day,
have been dropped. So have a producer and part-time board operator.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
That is from ESPN 101.1
They probably kicked him a $100 to come on the show every once in awhile. Still working for the Post
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
this means nothing.
All it means is Joe Strauss will be on 590 A.M. and not 101 FM. It has absolutely nothing to do with his newspaper gig.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Of course title to link was about Chris Duncan getting the new fast lane drive job
but did have the block quote as well
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
side note
Duncan was not on the show today because he was giving instruction on how to play outfield at the University of Arizona today………..
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
did you hear him talking about stuffing kids full of bananas?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
no, i missed that one, lol
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
i was going to link it but I guess they don't have it up yet.
He basically said..“yeah, I’m gonna go down there and stuff those kids full of bananas and teach them how to do what I couldn’t (play the outfield)”
D’Marco: “What?!?!? Stuff them full of bananas??!?!”
Lil Dunc: “yeah they need their potassium so I’m gonna go down there and pump them full of bananas”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
That is actually great news...
Cliff Saunders is horrible! He would cover for Bernie whenever he was gone and the baseball talk was ridiculous.
by mick311 on Jan 6, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there....
Chris Duncan as heir to Mike Shannon’s radio seat. The guy is hilarious, he doesn’t have much of a filter and he has the self-depricating humor of Bob Uecker. The dude has some stories and knows how to tell him. I’m actually somewhat convinced this will happen.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions
Can't be the same guy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 6, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He evidently likes his beer.
Should be a natural succession to Shannon.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiosity, what was Shannon's reputation as a radio guy 30 or so years ago?
Had people grown to like him or did people think he had no business being in the same booth as Jack Buck?
I really don't know...
I hope one day he gets to be in the booth with Shannon and Rooney and they ditch out on him leaving him to call the action. Much like Buck did with both Shannon and Joe Buck (and probably others)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a drunk 30 years ago.
He was purely there for color commentary.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
thats the way I see it happening with Chris...
At first just for sheer entertainment and then later he can follow Shannon’s career path.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
very quite possible
if not in StL, then somewhere.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I remember his words slurring a bit as the game went on.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
i was talking with a guy in a luxury suite during a game in July
who claimed to have run around with the same people as Shannon or something like that…anyway, we had a long discussion about Mike and he said usually he’s not as drunk as he lets on, or sounds like
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
An old man once told me Shannon kicked Curt Flood's ass in the locker room
shortly before Flood got traded. Something about Flood messing around with one of the players wives/girlfriends…Impossible to verify…well I guess you could get Shannon drunk enough…
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
my dad hates mike shannon with a passion
he’s told me about instances where Jack would make a joke about Shannon during a game and he wouldn’t even realize it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
heh heh heh
I just remembered a story my dad told me about opening day one year. He’s gone to something like 35 straight opening days, btw. Anyway, him and his friend were standing in line to enter the stadium and Shannon was walking down the line greeting the fans as he walked along. He came up to my dad and his friend and extended his hand for a shake and they both turned their backs and shunned him! Shannon didnt say anything and kept moving.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
He was bad, but it didn't matter because Buck did the heavy lifting.
He’s made himself a crafty professional by hard work.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
when Shannon first started, people considered him to be AWFUL
my family that lived in St Louis said that he was just terrible.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Nearly every radio broadcast is bad compared to Joe Buck.
I miss Joe Buck.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Joe Buck, still quite alive.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Oh my goodness.
What have I done? I’ve substituted Jack Buck and Joe Buck. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I really hope that you flagellate yourself appropriately.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
he was hated, Jack did a lot to help him & get people to love him
and the rest as they say, is history
Balls
I'll go ahead and nominate Lil Dunc and Vince Coleman
to replace Al and Ricky right now
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Action Jaxon has some job openings
maybe he’ll give Vince one of them
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
VEB
Vince Employment Board!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
we need to step up and get that man some work!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'd much, much, much, much rather have a great play-by-play man like Joe Buck or Vin Scully than Shannon Lite.
I love Shannon but I can only imagine Duncan as a step down. I’d rather take a step up and get someone who is legitimately good at radio work.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
lil dunc doesn't even need to do play by play.
That’d be Rooney’s job.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I'd rather have a play-by-play guy who is great alone in the booth than have a color guy.
I may just be sick of idiotic blather during broadcasts, though. I recognize that I am probably in the minority. It is really hard to call a baseball game on the radio by yourself. Basketball and football are much easier.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think that our radio team is pretty solid
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I enjoy the broadcasts a lot but, when I listen to them, I realize how much I'm missing with Shannon on play-by-play.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my biggest quarrel with shannon
is a lot of times during an inning, he doesn’t mention the score, or how many outs there are, etc.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree completely.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's not a problem if you've been listening along the whole time, but if you just tune in it would help him to mention the scored/outs once in a while
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
yeah...he should probably just repeatedly mention the score and how many outs there are
that would be thoroughly enjoyable to the people who have been listening to the entire game.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 7, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
are we agreeing here or shall I turn up the sarky meter?
I agree I would rather hear action/play commentary or Shannon stories/ramblings during lulls than score/inning/outs updates repeatedly, even if I just tuned in. but one once in a while is good
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm agreeing with you, disagreeing with others
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 7, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think at the end of an inning it would be good to mention the score.
Also, it’s nice to know when one batter has made an out and the next batter is at the plate. Shannon will talk though a half inning and except for interpreting the crowd noise, I have no idea what is happening.
Not sure who is being snarky and who is being sarcastic here, but this is something about Shannon that really bugs me.
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
Me and Todd are not being snarky or sarcastic
Rooney or whoever is doing the play by play normally keep up with outs as they occur and what inning is coming up at the change
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 8, 2012 6:21 AM EST up reply actions
Shannon rambles on about nonsense so much
especially during long innings, that its easy to lose track of the score because he’s talking about some time he and Ken Reitz went barhopping in 1972.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not the biggest fan.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i had never really listened to him till this past October
and i did not like him at all. he’s better than Wayne, the guy they fired before him, but i think they could have gotten someone better.
Balls
I don't mind him
I am thoroughly entertained whenever you can tell he’s either ignoring an irrelevant Shannon story, or letting out an obviously fake laugh when Shannon thinks he’s made a funny.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S A GONER!
how can you not love that?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you sure it isn't GUNNER?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
it sounds forced,
it’s really not fair to mr rooney, i’m so used to hearing Jack on KMOX that anyone else other than Vin Scully calling games just won’t do
Balls
was sarcasm
I hate his home run call.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i liked his call of the Berkman tieing single in the 10th
but yes, I hate the HR call.
Grit != flat out sucking.
no no no no no no no no no
the Moon Man will never die & will call Cardinal games forever & ever
Balls
tell them*
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Porcello Opts Out Of Contract, Becomes Arb-Eligible
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/porcello-opts-out-of-contract-becomes-arb-eligible.html
Dodge a bullet when we signed Kozma . . .
only if you wear a skinny tie
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 6, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
and boat shoes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and your name is "Zack Morris".
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Suit jacket, no
but get a nice, light wool blazer, with a hint of pattern, and make sure your shirt is not tucked in, and you’re a hipster.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely not
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 6, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the suit jacket
but should be fine, if wearing with a white or light-blue oxford. Make sure color of belt matches your shoes.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Of course
provided the jacket isn’t too office-y.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
yeah, i'm surprised by the overally negative reaction
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corduroy
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
that's summer cloth
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Is it appropriate to wear a summer cloth during winter?
Assuming the weather complies, of course.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
I wear shorts and a t-shirt year round, even in winter.
I don’t think most peoples issue with it is that it’s not fashionable enough. Well, okay one or two people.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
well that's an anti-fashion
searsucker is definitely a fashion. the correct answer is who gives a crap, wear whatever you think looks good.
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Searsucker sounds like a cutting-floor name for Tremors.
Or some cheesy alien movie that I would watch on Syfy. If I watched SyFy
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wednesday at 2 am ET don't miss "Searsucker"!
starring Eric Roberts and Alyssa Milano!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I guess what I mean is
Is seersucker a summer cloth because it’s comfortable in warmer weather, or is it a summer cloth because etiquette says so?
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
I don't think a searsucker is any less comfortable than a normal jacket
so i think it’s etiquette.
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I was meaning
that it’s a bit light and airy for this time of year. If you want to wear it, by all means wear it. If the weather is very chilly, you may wish that you hadn’t is my point.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Living in San Diego, that is not a problem in the slightest
It was in the high 70s today! Unbearable!
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
oddly enough, it was here as well
just not likely to stay that way
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would only wear seersucker in the summer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm sure it is.
just that it wouldn’t be very warm and I didn’t know where you were.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Late to this, but
Blazer yes, suit jacket no.
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by spants on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
huh, didn't know there was a difference
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
you probably thought that a blazer was somebody that smoked dope
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, but now that you mention it
blazer is a cool name for a jacket.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
just kidding
per wiki:
A blazer is a type of jacket. The term blazer occasionally is synonymous with boating jacket and sports jacket, two different garments. A blazer resembles a suit coat cut more casually — sometimes with flap-less patch pockets and metal buttons. A blazer’s cloth is usually durable (14oz.), because it is an outdoor sports jacket. Stylistically, blazers often are uniform garments, e.g. for airline, school, and yachting, and rowing clubs.
A blazer is generally distinguished from a sports jacket as a more formal garment and tailored from solid color fabrics. Blazers are often made with naval-style metal buttons, reflecting their historic boating club association, but this is not a defining feature. 1
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
no, i've heard of a blazer before
i just didn’t think it was different than a suit jacket.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I was just looking for a good definition
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
A boating jacket, you say?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Right-o, Commodore
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good one, incidentally, IMO Ted Baxter's laugh was better
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yes they do for the special few
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No love I guess
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 8, 2012 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sport coat okay, too.
I think it’s mainly just a difference in material. Suit jackets are dressier.
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by spants on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is right
I wear a sports coat with jeans when I want to be somewhere between casual and dressy
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Alright - I need some advice on the best movie to watch right now in theaters
Even the artsy ones. Any recommendations?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
I want to see the devil inside right now
And I’m not usually of the kind who wants to see horror movies because I think most of them are crap.
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by CodyG on Jan 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Also this movie very well still may be crap.
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by CodyG on Jan 6, 2012 7:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I probably should suggest movies I've watched already...I'll leave this thread to others
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by CodyG on Jan 6, 2012 7:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
....It has a 7% on Rotten Tomatoes among critics and just a 40% among users.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I'm probably not going to waste my tone watching it in theaters then.
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by CodyG on Jan 7, 2012 6:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe you should save your tone in a bottle
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Sherlock Holmes is okay, nothing special
I thought Tin Tin was over-rated. Haven’t seen much else recently, but The Descendants and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy look very good.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I also want to see Hugo, to compare it to Tin Tin
I’ve read the book, but neither of my kids are interested in it.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I really want to see TTSS.
it was a really good book.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of
that band, I’ve never understood why people like them so much. they are ok I guess, but not really my thing (even though, on paper, it’s the type of band I like)
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
mainly known for their visual elements
such as really cool costumes, and stage shows including a wide variety of different odd eye candy
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
The girl with the dragon tatoo
hands down
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I enjoyed it
I was impressed how close it matches the original movie
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was better than the original movie,
but then again, I thought the original movie was mediocre at best.
it might be a good question to ask
what art films are available in your area?
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard Melancholia is good
I’d probably go see that one
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see that.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
it's on almost every year end list I've seen
plus the premise is quite interesting. it’s like a macrocosm for mortality
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rank them thusly:
1) Hugo
2) The Descendents
3) Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy
4) Melancholia (read reviews as this may not be for you)
5) Mission: Impossible 4
6) The Girl With The Drago Tattoo
7) Sherlock Holmes 2
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rank them thusly:
1) Hugo
2) The Descendents
3) Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy
4) Melancholia (read reviews as this may not be for you)
5) Mission: Impossible 4
6) The Girl With The Drago Tattoo
7) Sherlock Holmes 2
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Mission Impossible in IMAX is jaw-droppingly awesome
Dragon Tattoo is also very good if you don’t mind some intense/graphic scenes.
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is also quite enjoyable, but you do have to pay strong attention, especially if remembering names is something you struggle with.
Sherlock Holmes was enjoyable
Girl With the Dragon Tattoo kind of sucked. I haven’t seen Hugo, but it supposed to be great. My friend told me War Horse was good.
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How can you say that Girl with the Dragon Tattoo sucked?
Have at you, sir!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 6, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you have offended my honor!
I demand satisfaction!
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I choose pistols at dawn!
Sir, i say sir!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
All I can think of is this
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was cows...
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Shot from catapults, of course
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I say
just let them rochambeaux for it.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
mental image is even painful
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
Blackadder the Third?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 7, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I REALLY enjoyed it.
Though it’s definitely not for everyone.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
how was brad pitt?
i’m curious what he’s like in a movie like this?
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I've heard from multiple people that it was the worst movie they've ever seen
But all of my favorite critics like it. I’m not sure if I’m gonna watch it.
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I really want to see this movie
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
haven't, but among people I know who've seen it, it's easily
the most polarizing movie ever made. I talked to my mom after she saw it, and I was embarrassed just to talk to her; she was still near-sobbing saying it was the most incredible movie she’d ever seen. My dad walked out halfway through. These reactions, though perhaps at the extremes, seem to reflect a lot of the disagreement about the movie.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Horrible
My thoughts are on the movie are in some other thread.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
what is the premise or plot of this movie?
i have heard a lot of commenting on love/hate, but none about what it is ABOUT
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I'm guessing the polarizing element of the movie is that its more of an examination of existence than a storyline
which sounds exactly like the type of thing I want to see
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-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
me too
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I'm pretty worn out with the hollywood plot
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-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
i just watched the trailer...it's interesting
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I have high hopes
but sometimes I do not like this type of movie (although I usually do). I think I’m with VEP, I’m reluctant to watch it because it might suck. like, I thought I’d love The Fountain by Aronofsky, but wow, that was not very good.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds really interesting to me as well
The less plot a movie has the better I like it, usually. However, I’ve heard that Malick’s approach to examining existence amounts to little more than showing National Geographic style images. I also hear the ending was terrible.
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Doesn't just showing Nat Geo images suit your movie tastes then? Pretty much little plot there or ending options
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, that's the other extreme
A movie has to have good dialogue and some kind of narrative thread – just not some plot to end all plots, like many movies I’ve seen recently have.
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My theory is, if you care to entertain me is ...
Since at least as far back as the 90’s, movies have steadily been geared toward trying to get too much sex, nudity, violence, and intriguing subplots/complications in for a lot of the movies to actually stand up to the classics (at least as in a rate/amount of productions sense).
It is to me like they spend so much of the run time and cash for all that sex and action, and cool plot twists, and have run out of run time left/money to wrap it up in a coherent and sufficiently logical and satisfying way. I’m not saying all movies should have a happy ending mind you … just hate when it feels like the producer or studio says, enough already, wrap it up now.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
BTW I agree with you and think all I did was say it with more words, but it felt good to vent
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
I love all of that stuff, but only if it has a point.
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I do too, when there is balance and a "whole" well made movie
Not enough of it these days
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
everything out now is meh (even though it's Oscar season)
although Hugo was definitely worth the admission.
Or you could stay in and rent:
thriller: Michael Clayton
dark comedy: In Bruges
balls to the wall awesomeness: City of God
Romance/light-hearted: Midnight in Paris
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
2 of those 4 I have seen and are amazing. In Bruges doesn't get enough respect.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I love In Bruges
Anyone here see The Guard? It has the same actor (the fat Irish guy) and a similar tone.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I remember seeing previews and wanted to but it was only at our art theater for a week so I never got a chance.
Will have to remember to look for it now.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I approve of all these suggestions
I wish In Bruges was seen by more people. That movie really showed Colin Farrell could still act.
I love City of God. One of my all time favorite.
Midnight in Paris is okay. I would suggest Match Point as another Woody Allen movie. Not really a romance movie though.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
In Bruges is amazing.
Match Point DEFINITELY NOT a romance.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
not a romance, but a great movie IMO
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed.
Jonathan Rhys Meyers does creepy charismatic really well.
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
But not much else these days.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah...what happened to that guy
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Alcoholism, apparently.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Robert Downey Jr. was a mess for years.
This guy might get it straightened out yet.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute DanUp -- in 2001 you were 14 years old?
Which makes you…uh….uh……don’t tell me……24 now?
And you are already taking on the role of grizzled snark vet, full of ironic wisdom and sabermetrical badassness, someone so filled with the knowledge of Base Ball that you can take every other TLR decision and, with a few magical strokes of the keyboard, turn it into so much doggie poop?
Wow, that’s awesome. This truly is a young man’s game.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
yeah, not fair lol
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
DEFINITELY not fair
Here he is, not even a quarter century into this thing called life, and already he has more knowledge of the Game of Base Ball than TLR, who had 50 years in pro ball, 2,700-odd wins as an MLB manager, 6 pennants and 3 WS titles.
Boggles the mind!
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
this is the train of thought that I am not agreeing with
I’m just jealous that when I was that age I wasn’t doing shit except for sitting in my house creating music no one likes
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
not the way to look at it
you were creating music. that in itself is an accomplishment, to those of us who can’t create music, which is most of us.
i can’t even play the harmonica. and i’ve tried. oh, i’ve tried.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
thanks
I’ve had a bad day. my work started mailing out checks and didn’t really tell anyone, and so I was expecting to have the means to buy things today, as it is payday. but now the check is late. just not right.
anyway, DanUp does have a gift, he’s a great writer… why are you bringing up this Larussa stuff, he’s not even writing about Tony. he’s not even one of the more extreme Larussa haters, in fact I think he has defended him more often than throwing him under the bus.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
oh well
i guess you disagree. that’s the great thing about VEB. It is a free forum of ideas, as long as the ideas don’t clash with the overall vibe.
i thought DanUp was older, is all. i’ve heard enough criticism about TLR, from him and others, to last me 100 lifetimes. i took this moment to state an opinion about it.
so anyway, see ya.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I'm pretty sure you are associating the overall tenor of the blog's opinion of TLR with DanUp
and I am not so sure danup agrees with it. I just hate to see someone branded with a certain opinion, when it’s not theirs.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Might I ask what the hell his age has to do with anything?
I know old people who hate TLR and young people who love him! TLR must really be terrible!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by a fink on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah what the heck is going on here
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's the experience = wisdom argument
to be fair, it isn’t entirely uncharacteristic of VEB.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
danup is generally one of the more tenacious defenders of tony la russa's legacy and influence on the team.
not to say he doesn’t criticize him, but it’s usually in measured terms.
i mock the hell out of him, but i am old, relative to the general blog population (thirtysomething).
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
punk kid
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thirtysomething is not old.
Fortysomething on the other hand.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
screw you
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
shut up
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don't let facts get in the way of someone declaring all criticism of TLR invalid.
After all, no one may ever criticize a manager with 50 years in baseball, who is third in all-time wins as a manager, second in all-time losses as a manager, who is tied with Bob Brenly at about 35th overall with a .536 winning percentage, whose teams have won 6 pennants, and three World Series.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ironic sig is ironic, mr. jones.
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by tom s. on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
huh.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
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I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
so long Dave & thanks for all the wins
i can’t fault him for wanting to devote his time to his wife’s treatment. i’ve been there with my mom & dad & there’s no way he could have done that + be the pitching coach. he’s making the right decision. the team will be fine without him. Mike said on Bernie’s show today he’ll still call & talk things over with him, so that’s good. sure it’s not the same & it won’t have the calming affect that having him in the dugout next to him would, but it’s better nothing.
cancer sucks. here’s hoping Mrs Duncan can beat it. the rest will take care of itself
Balls
whoops
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
those guys are in the playoffs
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
it actually wasn't that awful of a play, in the sense it could've been worse
QB saw it was a pick 6 if he threw it, but it was too far gone to pull back, so just did whatever he could to not toss that little step-back screen. Granted, he got lucky with the ref’s interference, but still/ Down on the 1 and looking like an idiot is better than 6 the other way, I guess.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
he's lucky it didn't result in a safety
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
that was definitely an 'Oh Shit!' moment
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, Flannery.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
actually, waits; I was noticing mattyp's sig.
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by tom s. on Jan 7, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't see sigs in this app.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
please tell me late nite veb is happening
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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at least there's flying laird
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
i am disappoint
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nice to meet you
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
come on! this is my first night off in 6 days!
where is all the people!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i don't know what that is
but i hate it too
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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A British spy movie that just opened that's getting ridiculous reviews
Baffling.
Not afraid to nitpick
the name is terrible
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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That's really too bad cuz it was a great fucking book.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
This really puts a hole in my plans for Saturday
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading the reviews of it still
Felt like they were trying too hard to rebel against action movies—-trying to make the boring parts of the story the focus (half the movie’s “events” are simply re-told stories without the goddamn “event” part actually happening).
Layered back from the trickeration of how they tell the story, the plot is pretty damn straightforward and lacking substance I thought. There was no suspense, just dull uncertainty and then it gets resolved.
Not afraid to nitpick
I just remembered
I’m bowling and drinking tomorrow night. That was close
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Booze it up!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 7, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
i am! but now i am bored
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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oh hey - you're in the OC i forgot
you wanna be a volunteer juror on sunday?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I'm actually in CO now
Moved to Denver about a year ago. Are you doing the NITA course? I’ve wanted to do that but heard it is a lot of work.
yeah, actually i am in NITA
how did you know? its quite a bit of work but not as much as i expected. and i have been LOVING it. i mean, i want to do a trial now so bad.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Saw your comment the other day about doing a closing
I have my first real first chair trial coming up in 2 weeks. I think I could use some NITA.
good luck in your trial!
NITA is amazing and i would recommend it to anyone who even thinks they might see the inside of a courtroom someday.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Thanks, it should be a bench trial so that makes it a good bit easier.
I may try to get to a NITA later this year.
Don't call it that.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
well i wouldnt but that's his name
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i just got to that fanpost
HILARIOUS. literal LOL! moar recs
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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such good stuff
and there should be another new pic or a few pics for a few days
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
yo
baby keeping you awake again?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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JUST put her down.
We’ll see how long that lasts.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
our swing has been a life saver
basically sleeping through the night now
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Hahaha
Mine used to sleep through the night too! Almost from birth.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
so you're saying
it’s all down hill from here?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Apparently somewhere between 5-8 months
most start acting like newborns again. It’s supposed to improve after about a month. We’re about 2 weeks in.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
that'll coincide perfectly
with Mrs. Scoot being off for the summer
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If that's when she starts teething.
Mine coincided perfectly with me getting sick. Taking forever to get over.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I hate to be that guy.
but ours never really went thru that.
/ducks and runs
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
A) I said most.
B) Stab.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think that is the first post baby stabbing.
I’m so happy right now.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I bet my knife is pretty happy, too.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
So glad i could give my life for such a worthy cause.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
now i have the hiccups!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i just held my breath for about 2 minutes
that worked
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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drink a large glass of water w/o stopping while you have someone hold your ears from behind, like your head is in a vice
holding ears should result in a vacuum if done correctly and this never fails to rid subject of hiccups
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
but hopefully you don't have them anyone since it's 6 hrs later, save for future ref :)
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
WE'RE TAKING OVER THE WORLD
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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peach, those boots i told you i ordered?
i LOVE them! they are really comfortable. even after 10 hours at work. highly recommend
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Nice!
I love it when shoes work out. I’m still looking for boots, but I think I’m going to wait a little while and see if I can catch some sales when the stores shift over to spring. (Which will probably be in about a week, because the world is dumb.)
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I need some brown shoes
I bought a sweet tan suit but I’ve been too lazy to buy shoes/belt so that I can actually wear it. Then again I have until Spring to accomplish this anyway.
Not afraid to nitpick
what is in the spring
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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The time to wear lighter tan suits
Stupid fashion rules that I don’t care about intrinsically in the least, but am forced to care about because otherwise I’d have to hear about it.
Not afraid to nitpick
i've never even heard such a thing
i will wear white after labor day and tan in october. fuck it
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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You're also in warm weather yearround
And finance people are all conservative and stuff about these stupid rules.
Not afraid to nitpick
They really are.
My brother worked for a company that only allowed white shirts and very conservatively colored/patterned ties. Once I saw a guy dressed much fancier and with lavender accents. I asked my brother why that guy got away with dressing like that and he said that being a top earner had its perks.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
riveting subthread
/ducks
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
people have died for less
when speaking to spants thusly.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
I was actually a little scared when I hit the post button
guess I’ll pay later
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
her edge isn't quite as keen since she had the kid
so you may survive.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
takes out hanky and wipes sweat from brow
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry. It's just fine in person.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 9:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm glad to hear that.
The world just wouldn’t seem right without a few well-placed stabbings.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I should have been making sexual assault jokes instead.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 9:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
no offense intended
was just early morning humor fail
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
You haven't even seen the one with the giant Cheetos in it yet
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what in the fuck
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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by IHeartBoog on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
watching the sorrow and the pity and drinking bourbon.
This is what the history channel would be if it didn’t suck.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That sounds interesting.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, what is it?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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French documentary about
World War II. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrow_and_the_Pity
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 1:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Are they bragging about how valiantly they capitulated ... instantly?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
it's a documentary on german occupation of a town
In central france. Its implicit purpose is to document the extent of french collaboration with the nazis and try to figure out how a seemingly normal country began such extensive and disgusting collaboration.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 7, 2012 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
handegg
please come back baseball
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:37 AM EST reply actions
I'm losing it
I can’t stop laughing at this
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
can you slow it down?
i can’t tell what is happening – like where it is hitting first
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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it hits the guy in the face first
I shouldn’t be laughing at that, but oh well
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
what in the actual fuck did he do that for? It looks totally intentional
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was intentional.
I think he was just throwing the ball at the fence as part of the celebration. Since, you know, that’s just what those guys have to do. And he wasn’t paying attention to what might be in the way. That’s what I’m hoping.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
I could see that but his head is aimed straight at the guys and they are like 5 feet in front of him
from that distance it’s hard to imagine his eyes would focus on the more distant wall vice the guy filling his visor. But I’m sure you are correct and wasn’t intentional or he hates that guy (thinks of oil can joke)
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
If he was all jacked up and happy
and too busy celebrating, then he probably wasn’t focusing on anything.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
rog
hey thought you were going to send an email, also how is tackle box from our area, doesn’t he live in Chi town area? Or does he come/go back home periodically?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
oh crap.
sorry, I’ll try to get that done. TBox is from down here originally. I have no idea if he still comes back, just figured he does from time to time.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
cool
wonder if there are lurkers from the area, would probably have spoke up by now I guess
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
that's the main reason this is so funny
I can’t figure that out
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
winter meetings
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
i just watched a three minute video showing cats in water
and i laughed my ass off. probably time for bed
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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link?
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
sorry i thought everyone had seen this 100 times
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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nah
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
For real? from MLBtr
Arthur Rhodes is close to deciding where he will play in 2012, reports Anthony Andro of Fox Sports Southwest (Twitter link). Rhodes also confirms that he will play next year, making it 21 Major League seasons for the 42-year-old southpaw. The Cardinals and Mariners have both shown interest in Rhodes this offseason.
He has options? Next t thing you know the mystery team will be involved
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they probably asked his agent
if he would take the league minimum to come back before they signed Romero.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
And didn't tell him they had publicly signed Romero?
Then weighing options is a way to boost self image?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I guess they could sign him to a minor league contract.
don’t know why, but they could.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty amazing that he's still considered viable at 42, so that combined with his luck of breaking the bigs at 21
means this will be his 21st season, doesn’t happen that often in past 2 decades that someone breaks that young and stays around for ever, especially a pitcher.
If Castro get’s his shit together he would have a shot and some serious longevity. Offensively he’s got some talent.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how viable he is at this point.
He’s strictly a LOOGY and not always good at that. Although he did have his moment in the sun during the WS facing Hamilton.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I don't want him, but obviously there are those that do since he's "deciding where he will play"
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
dude Darren Oliver just signed so why not
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just looked at the 15 day weather forecast for this region.
It looks friggin awesome for Jan. I just hope I’m not jinxing it.
/knocking on every piece of wood I can find.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 8:29 AM EST reply actions
I keep wondering what the negative effects will be, drought probably, dammit
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
good chance of it, I guess.
There’s an old wives’ tale about however many days you have over 100 that’s how many days you’ll have under 0, or something to that effect. So maybe this summer won’t be too unbearable being as it hasn’t really gotten cold yet and this is the three week period that it’s usually the coldest.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm....
…Cubs traded for Anthony Rizzo – the climb back to respectability cowtinues…
:=8.
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
I have to say that after watching the Clubhouse Confidential HOF roundtable last nite,
Jon Heyman really doesn’t impress me at all. Pretty much all I heard from him was the classic ’ I know baseball’ cliche crap and completely tuned him out after he quoted Jack Morris’ W-L record.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions
You should read his tweets.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
pass
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they spew some pretty idiotic stuff out there
I just don’t get the Jack Morris bromance some of these guys have. He pitched big games! If you had been there you would understand! No, I will not explain what that means specifically, you just have to take my word for it! He pitched to the score, and that explains his relatively unimpressive career stats! No, I will not answer the charge that “pitching to the score” if it is indeed something he did was terrible baseball decision-making and he deserves those “alleged” voluntary earned runs!
Blah. I hate the HOF process more and more.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Since we seem to still be stuck on this thread
Quick question: which of the current likely Cardinals pitchers for 2012 most needs to be “fixed”, Duncan style? My vote would be on Romero, the wayward LOOGY.
yeah, was hoping he would find some hitch to fine tune
maybe he’ll do some consultant work, since undoubtedly cards signed Romero with that in mind
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the walks are pretty scary.
I think Lohse is a good candidate to out-perform his projections since his wacky injuries are dragging him down a bit. Though, he was never that much better than an average pitcher, so I’m not expecting great things from him. I just want him to do better than his awful ZiPS… 86 ERA+ isn’t gonna do it. Anyway, I feel like he will be OK on his own.
Jake Westbrook needs to cut down his walks as well, and maybe just benefit from improved defense and luck. If he can just get it down to around 3 instead of 3.5 I think we’ll be surprised by how cromulent he is.
I was gonna say Boggs but he didn’t really do anything wrong last year. His stats look find and he improved on the previous year… they just didn’t seem to “trust” him for whatever reason.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I didn't trust Bogs out of the pen either, probably irrational but I dreaded him coming in
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
The stats say there wasn't really anything "wrong" with Boggs
He was also third in innings pitched from the bullpen (I think… hopefully I’m using Fangraphs correctly). So he had more time for stuff to revert back towards the mean than Lynn, Sanchez, Dotel, and Scrabble.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I seem to remember some games we fought back or fought all along and he came out and gave out a few big hits or HR
Wasn’t he the one who came in to relieve Carp in that game in August, IIR, where Carp battled for like 8 innings and clearly wanted to stay even even though he’d let one or two get on base, memory is Boggs first pitch resulted in a bomb. Were at least a few other examples. But I’ve never be a boggs fan, but he has his uses.
Like I said my fear was irrational. It was small sample size and all
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if Boggs never lives up to a lot of people's hopes for him (closer-type reliever) then he can still be just fine
He might end up as one of our lesser right handed relievers and still be a pretty decent reliever.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I hope so
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Your "fear" of Boggs isn't irrational, IMO.
One stat that I think accurately explains fan’s feelings about relievers is WPA.
Boggs’s WPA was -.96 in only 60 innings. Only Jake Westbrook and Ryan Franklin were worse last year. Boggs also had more “meltdowns” than “shutdowns” – (you can read more about these stats on fangraphs, if they’re not familiar to you).
I’m often a Boggs defender here, but there are definitely arguments that he did not pitch particularly well last year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the follow up question is, do you expect that to continue?
I can buy that he did actually have an inordinate amount of poor outings and that people’s memories about that are accurate. But one wonders if he is actually prone to that for some reason that has to do with his pitching or if it was just bad luck or something else anomalous. I personally have no idea, I’m not exactly an expert in pitching.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Boggs's WPA has been consistently negative, but it's not really a forward-looking stat.
If you were to look at Cards relievers from 2007-2011, min. 10 innings, Boggs’s does pretty poorly in reliever-centric sats – WPA, clutch, SD/MD ratio.
By the way, just reading some of those names made me cringe. (But check out Lance Lynn!)
In any event, I think Boggs will be a serviceable, low-leverage RH middle reliever, nothing more. I don’t like his mechanics (he throws across his body – it leads to more movement on his pitches, but lessens command and leads to an inconsistent release point, IMO), which is why I don’t think he’ll ever be an effective starter.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Appreciate it WMT, when I sorted the chart by WPA it pretty much lined up with my confidence factor
for the bullpen with the exception of Scrabbles placement below Batista and McClellan. However, Scrabble’s sample size was not very large sample size if they’re only counting Cads appearances.
Also, my memory was they misused/abused Scrabble at least once or twice, don’t know if those things skewed his numbers.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
/reply fail it was quite a while between starting and finishing this response as I got called away and thought I replied to the wrong response at first
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is reaching back a ways and I'll preface it with
me not being a big fan of armchair psychology. In the minors, there were some concerns that Boggs would let the “big innings” get to him. He’d be fine so long as things are going well but that they could spiral out of control as well.
There’s a lot of perplexing things about Boggs though. If you just watch him pitch, his stuff is tremendous. A clear out-pitch breaking ball and an above average fastball with good velocity. His stats have never matched his stuff (even in the minors). He’s a very perplexing player.
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Not perplexing when you believe bad things result when he exits the pen with less than a 5+ run lead
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Man that is quite an illustration!
I do like me some Lance Lynn, and Motte, Salas,and Sanchez, … had to go to bottom of the 2nd page to see Boggs!
Thanks for sharing the joys of this thing you call WPA, and BTW I do use Fangraphs (again with the baby steps), but this really expanded it for me, especially being able to filter it like you have.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I dig
Cool stuff. It’s always cool to see a more analytic viewpoint support a more “subjective” fan viewpoint.
I kind of see Boggs as a McClellan+ right now. Obviously he won’t have the same kind of split advantage (at least, I don’t think he’ll be similar against lefties and righties, I could be wrong) but he might be better overall.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Boggs is way better than McClellan
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care for KMac either, but he's not to bad as a long man
with a short leash
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 8, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
Appreciate it WMT, when I sorted the chart by WPA it pretty much lined up with my confidence factor
for the bullpen with the exception of Scrabbles placement below Batista and McClellan. However, Scrabble’s sample size was not very large sample size if they’re only counting Cads appearances.
Also, my memory was they misused/abused Scrabble at least once or twice, don’t know if those things skewed his numbers.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it makes much sense to look at Lohse's ZiPS.
ZiPS simply doesn’t know that Lohse’s numbers were influenced by injury in 2009 and 2010.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I was initially horrified by his ZiPS, and then I remembered the factors at work, as you say. So I am not too worried about it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Exactly, while I clearly am a baby in the statistics discussed in this community, I've been beating that drum for a while
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Do we know that?
Or perhaps do we know to what degree that’s true?
I always worry about glossing over what were simply bad years because of a subsequent injury that it is difficult to determine when it happened.
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I believe that Lohse was injured when he was hit in the forearm with that pitch (late May 2009). He hit the DL multiple times, but also tried to pitch through a difficult-to-diagnose injury. 2010 was a lost year, and then he had surgery.
Of course, any time a player plays through injury rather than sitting out until he’s “100%,” there will be a question as to what degree it affected his performance. How injured a player really is is one of the few areas into which we, as fans, have very little insight.
Increasingly, I think the mistake among sabermetric types is the opposite one from what you mention – it’s the incoropation of past data into predictions of future performance without any allowance for injury. Of course, to do this, you have to analyze each player that may be affected to try to make a determination as to the “degree” that the injury affected performance. That’s almost impossible to do in mass projections like ZiPS – but a FO that is analyzing a specific player can do this.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
How would you project Lohse?
He had a 3.67 FIP last year in 190 “healthy” innings last year, a 4.42 FIP in 90 “unhealthy” innings the year before, a 4.55 FIP in 117 “unhealthy” innings the year before that, and a 3.89 FIP in 200 “healthy” innings the year before that.
I put heathly and unhealhty in quotations, because we certainly don’t know how healthy he was in each of those groups in innings. He certainly wasn’t 100% healthy in 2011, nor was he 0% healthy in 2010.
Even if you want to give significantly more weight to 2011, you still have to regress heavily to league average and age his performance heavily – he’ll be 34 next year. I don’t see how you’re getting below a 4.00 FIP on his projection.
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He started out 2009 quite well, then that weird thing happened at first base, immediately after he pitched like shit the rest of the year
Came back next year, started off OK IIR, then was hit by pitch and that was that
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
You woud regress to league average and take account of aging anyway, regardless of injury. I don't see any reason to ignore those factors.
I would throw out 2010. To my eye, he wasn’t the same pitcher at all and had completely lost the ability to (1) command his fastball and (2) throw his slider or changeup (his best pitch). He clearly had his changeup back this year
Just eyeing the numbers, I’d expect about a 4 FIP, maybe a touch better. By the way, he’ll be 33 through the baseball season next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Two things
1) I think when a player has an injury, his scouting mean (the thing you regress to) should get worse. When a player has an injury, its likely he never fully recovers, so that should count against his projection a little. Now, it doesn’t seem that Lohse was too negatively effected by his injury last year, so maybe you don’t give his injury too much weight in terms of his projected mean.
2) If you are going to throw out 2010, and weight 2009 less heavily than you otherwise would, than you have to regress Lohse more to his mean than you normally would. That’s because you’re reducing the sample size, which makes the data less reliable.
I would project Lohse for around a 4.10 FIP next year, so either way, we pretty much agree.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Yeah, I definitely think injury marred years have a negative effect on performance going forward
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
negative impact on performance or projections?
or both?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
well projections are projecting performance, so... both
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I wouldn't think so, unless he's still less fit than he was before the injuries, of course he's two years older
if that has anything to do with what you mean
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I mean
when a player gets injured, it likely saps a bit of his talent, right? I doubt players ever recover 100% from injuries. So even beyond aging, Lohse is a bit worse than we would expect.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I cannot argue this point, but I am looking forward to seeing how he does next year and I'm still bullish
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
so I've been up for a couple hours cleaning
now that I’m done I realized it’s only 10:20 AM, is it too early to have a beer?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
You should wait at least 40 minutes, or an hour and 40 would be better
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Just tell yourself you're going to bed an hour earlier than udual
Problem solved
by Cheeseballs on Jan 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no tom post at three in the morning?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions
So MLB hasn't decided whether there will be two WCs in 2012 or just one...
this seems insane to not have decided this already. This is an important piece of information for teams making roster decisions.
Sign Roy O
How so?
I don’t think it really makes a difference how teams conduct business.
by Cheeseballs on Jan 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For example...
if you are the Chicago Cubs… you need to rebuild and get some young players no matter what, but you have a bunch of money to spend and could get some free agents that would push you to 80 wins. With a little luck, you could over-perform by five games and sneak into the second WC. Maybe there’s a 10% chance of the playoffs with the second WC and a <1% without it. That’s a significant difference.
Or the Cardinals… if there are two WCs, we absolutely need to separate ourselves from the Reds in order to win the division and avoid the one game playoff. If there is only one WC, I’d feel comfortable standing pat. The difference isn’t going to determine whether a team should rebuild or go for it, but it could decide whether a team should make moves on the margins.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not liking this 2nd WC at all but will laugh my ass off if the 1st victim of a 1 game playoff is the Yankees or the Red Sox!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Some commenters at future redbirds drive me crazy
Guy over there is saying Skip is a much better CF than rasmus
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trying to decide if that's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Maybe they meant better-looking?
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nope
He’s talking defense…of course this his based on his eye as defensive “metrick’s” are not reliable
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 7, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So he actually does mean better-looking.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why even bother arguing it.
Once the conversation is “my eyes tell me this” vs. “my eyes tell me that” – it’s at an end. Especially when there’s no evidence that one side knows anything about watching baseball and/or assessing talent.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 7, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
this is one of the cleverest things i've heard all day
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
-Christopher Hitchens
-Michael Scott
-The Continental
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by The Continental on Jan 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kill
Bang
Marry
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by azruavatar on Jan 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wish I could rec this whole series.
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by spants on Jan 7, 2012 4:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Christopher Hitchens lives on in the heart of every lovably cantankerous asshole.
(Seriously, though, I really liked Christopher Hitchens. The atheism thing never bothered me.)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You sir are clearly not ready for the zombie apocalypse.
/double-tap
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Seems clear to me.
Bang Hitch
Kill Michael Scott
Marry the lovely and charming The Continental
Easy.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 8, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
This is why I jumped out of the conversation early...I saw where it was headed
That commenter often makes comments like that…Tom s. tried, but I don’t think it worked
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ahahhhahahhahah
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just saw Albert in a Angels hat for the first time since he signed
That sucked
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
was it through the telescopic sights of a high powered rifle?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I just got my pic taken with the WS trophy
I only hope it was the real one. Looked small
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
did you do
what i believe is called in the industry ‘a Duncan’?
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by Aranathor on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
in the industry!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
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