beyond beltran and berkman
happy 2012, one and all. i’m your designated danup today. good position for a geezer like me -- way too old and slow to be trusted afield, but can pick up a few stray ABs now and again without hurting the team.
so let’s get right down to it. i’m impressed w/ the cardinals’ rapid patch-up job after pujols’ departure. by signing furcal and beltran, they gave themselves a good chance to stay competitive in the short run, while avoiding deadweight obligations that will hurt them in the medium and long term. the latter are what i’ve been thinking about lately -- the 2014 season and beyond, when the expiration dates (literally and figuratively) will have passed on beltran, berkman, furcal, and chris carpenter. molina may be gone by then as well -- and if he’s still here, he’ll be entering an age range at which (as tom s documented last week) catchers are susceptible to sharp drops in value. it’s safe to say that after 2014 the cardinals will need help at catcher regardless of whether yadi’s still on the team.
that’s a whole lot of lost value they’ll have to replace in the not-too-distant future, and the organization is not likely to do it solely with internal resources. here’s the projected depth chart heading into the 2014 season, based on players who are currently under control through that year (2014 age in parens):
| 1b | matt adams (25) | mark hamilton (29) | andrew brown (29) |
| 2b | dan descalso (27) | kolten wong (23) | greg garcia (24) |
| 3b | david freese (31) | zack cox (25) | matt carpenter (28) |
| ss | tyler greene (30) | ryan jackson (26) | pete kozma (26) |
| lf | matt holliday (34) | ||
| cf | jon jay (29) | adron chambers (27) | tommy pham (26) |
| rf | allen craig (29) | andrew brown (29) | oscar taveras (22) |
| c | bryan anderson (27) | tony cruz (27) | robert stock (24) |
plenty of quibbles you could make w/ my selections if you wanted. maybe cody stanley or audry perez or even steve hill (who will be 29 by 2014) should be the 3d catcher; you could make a case that mark hamilton belongs ahead of adams at 1b, or that wong should leapfrog descalso at 2b, or that matt carpenter is likelier to see playing time in rf than andrew brown. all legitimate arguments, but they don’t alter the basic picture: entering 2014, the cards will likely have more holes to fill than resources with which to fill them. the core of the offense by then projects to be craig, freese, and 34-year-old matt holliday. they're good players, but they hardly constitute an mv3 nucleus.
of course, a lot can change in two years.
maybe matt adams will have established himself as a solid starter at 1b by then -- maybe he’ll tear it up at memphis this year and take over for berkman in 2013. or maybe zack cox will take charge at third base, with freese shifting across the diamond to replace berkman at 1b. perhaps carpenter (like craig before him) will move off 3b to become a right fielder, with craig shifting to 1b. either jay or descalso (or both) might evolve into a reliable .800 OPSer by 2014. i bet some of you are even secretly hoping that taveras pulls a pujols and jumps from class A straight to the majors as a sure-thing .400 woba hitter. maybe maybe maybe maybe. . . . . but probably not. while there’s a plausible chance that any of these lovely scenarios (except the last one) may come to pass, an equal or better chance exists that matt holliday will age more quickly than we’d like, or freese’s ankles will splinter, or allen craig's weaknesses will get exposed as a full-time player, rendering a thin offense even thinner by 2014.
this isn’t meant as a criticism of the cards’ decision-making this off-season; it’s just a reminder that a ton of work remains to be done, and fairly soon. what are the cards’ options? it seems as if the biggest needs are at catcher, short, and center field. freese, holliday, and craig account for three of the corner positions, and the fourth is covered if just one of adams, cox, carpenter, or taveras is able to stick; that seems like a reasonable bet. i’m willing to entrust 2b to descalso / wong beyond 2014. so we’re looking for up-the-middle players who can hit, and who will be available within the next couple of years. anybody out there who fits the profile?
bj upton is just about a perfect match. he’ll be a free agent after the 2012 season, heading into his age-28 year. he’s reliably a 3-win player and has the talent to surpass that. it will require upwards of $100 million to sign him, but the cards will have the money. one drawback is that upton bats right-handed -- and we’re adding him to a lineup whose presumed holdover anchors (holliday, craig, freese) are all righties.
curtis granderson becomes a free agent after the 2013 season, or sooner in the unlikely event the yankees decline their option on him after 2012. he’ll be 33 years old entering 2014 but appears to have quite a bit of good baseball left in him. he plays good defense in cf, bats left -- bingo.
brian mccann is scheduled to hit the FA market after the 2013 season at age 30. he’s a consistently productive left-handed hitting catcher; scarce commodity. would fit right in.
stephen drew reaches free agency after the 2013 season, and possibly sooner if the dbacks decline their option on him after this year. the cards have long liked this player; he will be 31 years old in 2014. is inconsistent but would still be the cards’ best-hitting ss since edgar renteria.
shane victorino becomes available as a free agent after this year, heading into his age-32 season. he got a late start on his career, but he’s been at a very high level for four years; plays cf, switch hits, is very durable.
adam jones was dangled in trade this winter and will be a free agent after the 2013 season, heading into his age-28 year. he hasn’t developed the way the orioles hoped, but he’s still young and has upside and could be an attractive buy for that reason.
grady sizemore will play 2012 on a one-year make-good deal, then hit the free-agent market again this fall at just 29 years of age. he was a consistent 5- or 6-win player not too long ago, before injuries slowed him down. he’s not likely to get back to that level again, but i can imagine him getting back to the 3 WAR level; he bats left and plays centerfield. could be a fit.
jhonny peralta will be a free agent after 2013, heading into his age-32 year. he has an inconsistent bat, and may not be able to play ss full-time by then. still worth paying attn to.
colby rasmus will be a free agent after the 2014 season, heading into his age 28 year . . . . .
beyond the free agent market, the cards also will have a golden opportunity to trade for an impact player within the next two years, dealing from their surplus of cost-controlled pitchers. i wouldn’t want shelby miller to be traded, but i’d be amenable to dealing almost anyone else (in exchange for the right player, of course) from a rotation stable that includes carlos martinez, tyrell jenkins, lance lynn, trevor rosenthal, and joe kelly. a package of one or two of those guys, plus maybe zack cox or matt adams or makiel cleto or jordan swagerty, should be able to bring back a pretty damn good player.
that exhausts my inventory of half-baked ideas. look forward to reading yours in the comments section.
a quick aside before i go -- i know there are a number of people in this community who have troves of photos they have taken of cardinal players. if anyone’s willing to share, pls contact me (vivaelbirdos AT yahoo); i may have need of some pixs for a project i’m working on.
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Good points
and good to see you here lb.
I’ve thought about the same things recently. It’s amazing how Albert leaving suddenly alters future perspectives. Bottom line is, without him we’re missing that sure thing down the road. I still believe Holliday will play at a high level (5-6 WAR) for the next three years but that’s probably me wishing. Albert was always a sure thing so this is new for us.
Another strong year by Wong in the minors would make me feel good about second. When was the last time we had production from that spot anyway? Grudzielanek? Womack? What should we hope for with Wong?
2B
Answering my own question here. According to fangraphs we haven’t had a 3 WAR 2B since Grudz in 05. (3.4) Womack was good for 3.1 in that mythical MV3 year and Vina had 3.4 in 2001.
A lot of ugly numbers on that chart…
Yeah
I would not have guess they totaled over 3. Makes me wish Punto was coming back as the every day guy.
And good ol’ Pete. He’ll always have that RBI double.
Oh never mind....
that counts at bats taken at SS and everywhere else those five guys played.
Sign Roy O
Also
If we were gonna make that kind of comparison, shouldn’t we include everybody besides Vina and Grudz who also played at 2B their respective 3+ WAR years?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Believe it or not
I think I’m right in saying the three-headed monster of Skip, Punto and Theriot was worth ~3 WAR last year, mainly due to Punto’s unlikely career year with the bat.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think I started that fallacy accidentally
Fortunately that 3 fWAR was in around 1000 PA’s, and included defensive time at SS, 3B, CF, etc.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
What we should hope for with Wong is better than Womack or Grudz, to be sure
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm hoping for something similar to Grudz.
If we’re getting ~3.0 WAR from second base, I’ll be quite pleased. Anything additional to me is gravy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
When you consider his age relative to league and performance
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Wong very well could have a higher upside,
but I’m trying to temper my hopes given it was two hundred and some PAs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
live a little, bgh.
let your optimism run free
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
don't be a fool, if you're living in dreams you'll never want to wake up
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most days I don't want to
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Good post that does not factor in the potential windfall from this year's draft. .. . How many top 100 pics do the Cards have?
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does that include the pick we'll get when Jackson signs?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
The Colby trade looks all the better
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who you got taking jackson?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
i've been thinking he'd end up with the yanks since we traded for him
but apparently they want no part of 5 years at $15/year
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
I bet he doesn't get that
even with Boras as his agent.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
scary thing is...he may actually be worth it
he’s been worth 3+ WAR over the past few years, even with multiple “disruptions”
nad he’s only 28
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Isn't that his ceiling though?
3.5, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.5 = 12.5 war over 5 years. 4.5M/war = $56 million
Sign Roy O
probably right
but, theoretically, he is hitting his prime now
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Nice - have to figure that should help top off the bottom line. . .
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cool.
I thought we had 5 of the first 50.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
we still have andrew brown?
is luna not good for a shot in the outfield?
TLR is gone, long live the king
Another name to throw out there...
Miguel Montero. He’ll be a FA after 2012 and can likely be had for 5/70. In addition to being a year younger than Yadi, he’s a much better hitter with a LOT less mileage having caught 513 games in the last six years.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, if he and Yadi are both FA
That’ll be a good year to be in the market for a catcher
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Napoli will be out there as well...
though I don’t really like him at age 32 as much as Montero and Molina.
Sign Roy O
Even if he maintains his offensive breakout
You have to assume he’s gonna be a 1B as a free agent (although we’ll be in the market for one of those too)
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
montero is another good call
i overlooked him. i’d expect him to come in lower than 5/$70m - that’d be more than what victor martinez (a better player) got a couple years back.
love an lb post
even more so when it covers a guilty pleasure (hypothetical FA hunting)
Really like Upton, Drew, and McCann targets. Granderson is appealing as well.
Other names I like:
Josh Hamilton
Andre Ethier
David Wright
I think Wright is most likely to be an FA, followed by Ethier (surely Tex will lock up Hamilton…) I wouldn’t mind Wright at 3B, Freese at 1B and Craig in RF. Very RH heavy, but not bad.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
The thing with Wright is
he had a pretty bad year compared to his other years, and has been in something of a decline the last 3 years. If he has a bounce-back year in 2012, you can bet the Mets will pick up their option on him in 2013, and maybe sign him to a longer deal during that season. If he doesn’t bounce back, maybe they decline the deal (it’s for $16M, with a $1M buyout), and he’s available in 2013…but that would mean 4 years of declining WAR, and he’d be entering his age 30 season….not a good combo.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Wright's defense was pretty much agreed upon to kind of suck at 3B now.
Why not keep Freese at third and move Wright to first in that scenario?
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Andrew Brown is no longer in the organization
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If we are talking 2014
then our bevy of 2011 draftees in the outfield should be under consideration. Larry had Brown in his depth chart but neglected Charlie Tilson.
Tilson will be what, 22?
Hard to count a guy as depth who has yet to play full season ball. Taveras is 22 (probably) too, but he’s at least got a pro track record.
It's a supposed depth chart
That will be Tilson’s fourth year in the org. I’d list him because he could very well reach AAA that year. I took the point of Larry’s post to be that the org is thin with position players after Beltran, Furcal, Berkman, Yadi leave (i.e., “biggest needs are at catcher, short, and center field”). Tilson is a CF’er. Jay is relatively young at 26 (will be 27 in March). At corner OF, Taveras will be AA in 2012 either to start or as an in season promotion. Would I like more depth? Yes but I like the players we have in the pipeline.
Who?
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Frangraphs Minors Leaderboards
Pretty cool.
http://www.fangraphs.com/minorleaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=2,4&qual=y&type=0&season=2011&team=0&players=
Looking at AA offensive numbers makes me think I didn’t know Alex Castellanos well enough. .958 OPS, 104wRC, 419wOBA in 534 PA. Would have made a nice bat in the OF in 2014.
Yeah, I liked him as a 4th outfielder type
But he was no great loss especially in exchange for a productive partial season from Rafael Furcal. The guy was old for a prospect and was hitting in a friendly ballpark.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ian Kinsler might make a good pick up (if he doesn't get extended)
Depending on how his injury history looks when he hits free agency.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
he would definitely help our DAR!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
And our standing with the JDL!
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome back lb!
Are you saying you’re the Matt Stairs of VEB?
way too old and slow to be trusted afield, but can pick up a few stray ABs now and again without hurting the team.
If so, your pinch hits are always appreciated.
We may have some holes, but I do think that we have a good amount of decent prospects to either plug those holes or to acquire such hole-pluggers. Currently, I am feeling good about Mo as a GM, and I trust his ability going forward, this changes quite often though.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
More like Andruw Jones
Once an elite all-around player now content to sit back and put in some quality pinch hits for a great franchise.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roger Freed
Anyone else remember this game: May 1st, 1979 — walk-off grand slam in bottom of 11th to make up 3 run deficit. WPA of 0.906 !!
Sad to see that he is deceased.
I do indeed,
listened to it on the radio.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Freed- thanks for reminder
I mostly remember Freed from his 1977 season (.398 /.463/.627) which was pretty sweet for playing the Strat-o-matic Cardinals in 1978. Glory Days!
I didn’t realize how much career he’d already had.
Looking for cause of death now…
by baked mcbride on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
lboros,
professional pinchblogger
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This
Currently, I am feeling good about Mo as a GM, and I trust his ability going forward, this changes quite often though.
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as an old gezzer myself it is nice to see you LB
I would like the team to stay strong up the middle, and the only future major leaguer I see is Wong. It will be interesting to see what players are available in the draft over the next couple of years.
I really don't like all this 'old' talk.
lb’s not that much older than me, and I’m not old yet, dammit!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Surprised you mentioned Steve Hill
I thought I was the only one that thought he had the makings to be a good major league hitter.
He's so old though
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He is old Rui
and his ship sailed a few years back admist a series of injuries but I’ve always looked at Hill as a timely hitter, kind of a Matt Stairs type. I still would like to see him log in a few years as a bench player in Majors though.
are you saying
that Steve Hill is lb?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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That would be Rich Hill.....
who, I think, is also available; get ’em both and we can really be over the Hill…
;=8)
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
signed a minor league deal with the red sox last week, iirc.
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While this paints a bit of a rough picture for us on the position player side,
the organization is likely to be well armed in the rotation and bullpen through 2016 with two of the current starters (Wainwright, Garcia) and at least two of the arms in the high minors (Miller, Cleto, Lynn, Kelly, Swagerty) jumping into the rotation with the rest bolstering the bullpen.
This likely saves the team around $25M from the 2012 payroll (Subtract Carp, Westbrook, Lohse, McClellan = $34M; Add WW’s new contract, raise for Garcia = $9M), which is enough to go sign someone like BJ Upton (who I don’t think costs $100M unless he has a Matt Kemp type season this year) and possibly even another player (like Steven Drew) while keeping the total payroll at around $110M or so.
Barring a catastrophic rash of arm injuries (and believe me, I’m not ruling it out) our depth of pitching in the minors is a huge strength for the organization.
It’s pretty demonstrative that the build-from-within strategy employed since Mo took over has been a win-win for the organization: If they were able to sign Albert to the Ridiculous-Pujols-Contract, they’d have cheap talent on the way to bolster the roster and for trade bait. Failing to sign Albert now leaves a $25M hole in the payroll through which to fill the roster with younger, less-likely-to-decline talent, while we still have roster capable prospects to fill the holes and trade from depth for players that we could actually sign long term, like Matt Holliday.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
The real test is about to begin with the prospect pipeline
and our ability to keep it supplied with talent We lost our two top evaluation guys. I’m not saying that there aren’t others, we just don’t know how good they are yet.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW -- Our organization has never really lacked talent evaluation people, imo.
Our organization has lacked, at numerous times since Branch Rickey, front office people capable and willing to listen to those talent evaluation people.
I believe in Mo with respect to talent evaluation of high school and college players — they haven’t missed on too many and have more hits than misses. Therefore, while we’ll miss Luhnow, I believe that our organization is as good as any at the “next man in” philosophy when it comes to talent evaluation personnel.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I'll defer to you on that.
I’ve only really started following prospects in the last 5 years or so, and even then it was just peripherally. I’ve paid a lot more attention since i came here.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
When you don't pay talent evaluators and you don't value them as part of your organization
then your farm tends to suck. Much like it did for most of the 90’s.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Fourstick is right on the money with this. . .
and the crazy thing is that this assessment isn’t even really taking into account breakout players that we aren’t properly valuing yet, or the likes of a Martinez, Jenkins, Rosenthal moving quickly. As has also been noted elsewhere in this thread, there are a whole lot of high picks on the horizon as well. There have certainly been a few decisions (mostly on the margins) to quibble with the last couple of years, but it seems to me Mo has done an outstanding job positioning the team for the next couple of years while retaining optimal flexibility for 2014 and beyond.
I don’t follow any other teams nearly as closely as the Cardinals, but I would be surprised if very many teams have a better blend of certainty and flexibility going forward. Taking any team’s MV3-equivalent and projecting out 2+ years would almost by design implicate some concerns (aging-related decline, escalating salary, etc. . .). Barring some kind of structural change or a very unlucky run of injuries, we should be able to add two “core” type players in or before 2014 and not have to mortgage the future significantly to do so. We will also have roughly an additional $30M to spend when Berkman, Beltran and Furcal leave. With the pitching we could reasonably expect to have at that point we could really have something!
Agreed
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The obligatory "Yes, but":
Call me crazy but I don’t see more than one of these guys making it as a starter:
or the likes of a Martinez, Jenkins, Rosenthal moving quickly.
Not to mention that I think we’re overvaluing Taveras, Adams, and Cox to a certain extent already. Of the “sure bets” I’d say will contribute at this point, I’d probably only put Wong and Cleto on that list. I think Cleto could be in the bullpen as early as this year and that Wong should be a contributor at 2B for at least a few seasons, even though I think his upside is pretty limited.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I think Taveras is a much surer thing than you think
Baseball Prospectus called his hit tool the best in the minor leagues. It’s pretty difficult envisioning him not being able to at least hit for average in the majors.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just have real trouble with projecting toolsy players like him
before we see what they can do against pitching above A ball.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I think folks here are generally pretty sober in their assessment of Adams and Cox.
As for Taveras, I think he is a very intriguing prospect with the potential to be a superstar. The kid can hit.
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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
my sober assessment:
2017 MV3!!! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Taveras
I live in Springfield and can’t wait to watch him play 20-30 times in a year or two. Here’s to a healthy 2012 for the kid.
Whos to say they won't start him in Springfield this year?
After all, they threw him into the AFL which is approximately AA level play. He didn’t totally dive bomb (although he did refuse to take a walk). Springfield seems as likely a starting spot as any.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If not, it seems possible that he'll be promoted to that level at some point during 2012
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Level to start 2012
I think it is possible that he starts in Springfield. Probably depends somewhat on how he looks in the spring. I’d be thrilled if the club thought he was ready for that. However, given his age, it seems more likely that they would give him at least the ‘Cox treatment’ at PB. Say roughly a third of a season, and then promote him after he’s had success at that level.
They jumped Adams, but he was older and really needed to move fast so they could see what they had. Hope I’m wrong. Would love to seem Taveras for the majority/all of next year.
It is a huge jump from High A to AA
Probably bigger than AAA to MLB
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Prospect projections
Wasn’t suggesting more than one of the above pitchers will make an impact. Certainly not in 2 years. Simply pointing out that a very optimistic scenario doesn’t account for any of them making it. Frankly, I think it isn’t unrealistic to assume one of them could be ready for at least bullpen duty by 2014, but they are far enough away that it is appropriate to be cautious in drawing that conclusion.
The best thing about hypothetically playing out the next few years is that we don’t need any of the above three pitcers to pan out, or all of Taveras, Adams and/or Cox to significantly contribute to end up in a good place. I personally believe Cox and Carpenter aren’t much of a drop off from Freeze, but even if I’m wrong on one of those projections, the notion that we only need one of the three (also counting Freeze) to work out to be covered at third is extremely comforting.
Also, I saw Swagerty pitch several times at the end of last year and I would be very surprised if he doesn’t end up surpassing Cleto (as early as next year) in terms of value. And I like Cleto alot.
Maybe it isn’t what you are trying to say, but it also seems pretty silly to state that Wong and Cleto are sure things but Miller isn’t? Of course no player is a “sure” thing, but Miller seems about as good as it gets in that regard.
Agreed. The only question with Shelby Miller is whether he'll be a star.
He could be a mid-tier starting pitcher in the majors right now, IMO. (Of course, like any pitcher, he could get injured, but that’s a given for all of them).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Miller's readiness
I think you are right about that, but I also believe he will benefit from a little more time before he hits the bright lights of the show. A half/full season at Memphis and he should be closer to what he can/hopefully will be from the go. Also avoids super2 issues if that wasn’t resolved in the new deal.
I'm not advocating for him to brought up now, only saying that he could be successful.
He still needs work on his changeup, IMO. He “guides” it and slows down his arm action when throwing it.
I also agree on the super 2 issue. I’m thinking he follows the same path as Matt Moore last year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
As the designated Matt Carpenter proponent,
I feel it is my duty to express concern that he is listed behind Zach Cox who he beat by .063 wOBA points when comparing their double A production.
More general question: I really do not understand why people think Zach Cox will be demonstrably better than Matt Carpenter in the majors. I have Cox projected as a comparable player but there’s a lot more projection involved there. Matt Carpenter is already pretty good.
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AZ, i like carpenter too
but i’ve got cox ahead of him for two reasons. #1 is that big-league contract that bgh mentioned below -- the org has a big investment in cox, and that’s the tie-breaker in what looks (for the moment) like a fairly even competition.
the second reason is that, imho, cox has more upside. carpenter is what he is -- there’s plenty of value, but not a lot of growth potential. contrast w/ cox, who performed well against double A competition in his first year as a pro, at age 22. by age 24 he may look a lot better than he does today.
but it’s a close call, and you might be right that carpenter proves to be the better player in the end.
Well aren't they both on the 40 man roster now?
So that voids out that #1. If Carpenter increases his power to an ISO over .200 he would be absolute stud with his walk rate.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
The upside argument is valid and subjective.
The only point about that w/r/t/ Cox is that I often hear a lot of people (not necessarily you) say that he will hit for more power. I think this is ignorant of history though. By all accounts, he significantly changed his swing in college to cut down on strikeouts. As a result, he saw a decreased power output. He basically traded batting average for some of his power in college. That may make him viable long term (he had porous plate coverage with his old swing) but I think iy has limited his upside.
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So he turned himself into Michael Young, basically,
although without the talent to achieve the Young’s contact rate at the MLB level?
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I'm not sure that I'd peg him for any .389 wOBA seasons
but I don’t hate the Young comparison.
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I think the Michael Young comparison is an apt one (I think I've made it before, actually)
http://www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=543059 (Cox)
http://www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=276545 (Young)
The high LD%, low IF%, and similar walk rates are there.
In any event, I am high on Cox (ba-dump ching). I think we’ve gotten to the point where the scouting community underrates, because it has a hard time recognizing, elite hitters who don’t have a lot of power or walk a lot (though I think Cox will improve his walk rate). Does not having a lot of power or walking a lot lower a player’s ceiling? Sure. I’m betting Cox ends up being a .300+ hitter, and even if he only hits 10-15 homers and walks 8%, that’s still a valuable guy.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
...David Freese?
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Freese has more power and strikes out more than Cox.
I actually think Freese’s regular season home run totals so far are a bit anomalous.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
This
The Kenny Oberkfells of the world (the original Mr. 4 0 2 0) are the new market inefficiency.
Oberkfell isn’t really the best example of that, as his walk rate , I just wanted an opportunity to work that nickname into the blog.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for the Oberkfell reference
as an old guy myself….;)
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by HockeyHippie on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he can hit for that high an average in the big leagues
but I think he profiles as a doubles hitter that doesn’t take a lot of walks. I don’t think it’s out of the question for him to have a 40 double season in the big leagues if he got 600 PA’s at his ceiling.
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Cox is baitin'
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I think it has to do with Cox being a first-round draft pick who signed a big-league contract.
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I think there are people like Keith Law who feel he has more power in the tank
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
need to see it to believe it
i think there is something to the “swing change” that occurred after his first year of college
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Didn't Cox do it at a younger age though?
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Even correcting for age, Matt Carpenter had a drastically better season.
Two years of age does not make up for a .413 versus .350 wOBA.
(also, I can see I’m spelling his name wrong again. I have a chronic problem remembering it is Zack with a k.)
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Except, of course
Carpenter had an unsustainable .377 BABIP during his year in AA, whereas Cox .338 BABIP. I’m not saying the difference isn’t meaningful, but it isn’t anywhere close to what those wOBA values say it is.
I don't get this either.
Is it because he makes better contact? Or because he was a higher pick in the draft? I’m going to bet big on the latter, because there’s still a number of people around here who think Pete Kozma is still a legit 1st round talent.
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Peter Kozma is a terrible player of baseball
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
What does "around here" mean?
‘Cause I haven’t seen anyone on VEB touting him…ever. And that’s 3 years+ of reading here.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, they are around.
Trust me.
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Um....okay....
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
most random use of image award
goes to ISGIGRA
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
No competition!! My compliments. . . .
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Cox is younger and has a higher scouting base
But I agree. Cox should be trade bait.
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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Any hope a 2012 draftee will be able to man a position in 2014?
Seems like Wong could compete for a spot in 2013i f he really plays well this year in AA…
Sign Roy O
Should, he completely dominated Quad Cities last year. Don't see why they wouldn't move him up.
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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I actually almost said this, but I remember hearing that the jump from A-AA is pretty great
So I wouldn’t count on them trying that at this stage.
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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone seen the World Series Budweiser pint glasses
yet? I bought them in 2006 but haven’t seen them online yet and it is January.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the Columbia Mall had a stand with some 2011 pint-sized steins.
they were pretty cool and official-looking. They were going to be my default christmas present, but they sold out very quickly, and I haven’t seen them since.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
steins is the wrong word
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
pretty sure the jeff city hyvee
still has a bunch of that stuff..
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Here is something for ya.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Thanks
However, I’m looking for the clear glass pint glasses with the WS logo on them made by Budweiser. Its the kind you’d find in a bar.
They have made them for every World Series for atleast the last 10 years. My grandfather made me this great cherry display case for them in 06 and I was hoping to take a crack at it this year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the straight sided 16oz-or-so glasses, right?
I’m almost certain I can get you at least a few of those..
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hmmm... I haven't seen them this year. You might have been in-bev'd.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
now I'm wondering what exactly they are
I’ll take a stop by after work and take a picture & post it here. whatever they are, they haven’t been selling so I could buy and ship if anyone wants one. assuming they’re desirable, of course.
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
please do
they could be that first set
guess we’ll see..
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I was saddened when my steins I got at the game this year
Became out of date after the WS win
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
#CardinalNationProblems
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What about Alex Avila?
Since we are speculating, he will be through his arbitration years after 2014. He is a catcher who bats left, With a WAR of 5.5 according to fangraphs. Would he be a target of interest?
those are always a ToI
I hadn’t even thought of him, yet. probs won’t be cheap though.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
and in swoops guay with the kick to the groin
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm, that's possible
I saw he played in 2009, but it was only part of the season. He might still be a good pickup though.
How about we have an amazing draft this year
With our 6 or however many picks we have in the first 2 rounds
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Will be interesting to see the ratio of drafted position players and pitchers. . .
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I'm guessing 50/50
Mostly because we pick so late in the first round, which is projecting to be pitcher heavy up top.
My guess? We’ll grab a couple of position players (both college, due to signability issues: with this many picks this early we can’t spend a lot of money on just a few players) and a risky HS pitcher early, and then take a couple of polished college arms and a college position player late.
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The hard draft cap hits this year though, right?
The signability issues of the past should be diminished, correct?
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Yes....
but there’s also a cap on what you can spend on the draft each year. Which means that if you stockpile picks in the top 100 and then draft over slot on most of them (like the Rays), you won’t have the money available to sign them all.
It’s a blatant attempt to rid the world of Scott Boras’ types representing 18 year old kids. And it won’t work. But it really hamstrings the teams that lose a lot of free agents in a given year, or the teams like Tampa, who sign relievers and veterans for a year and then let them walk and collect the compensation picks.
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Examples
- We’ll take Wallace/Wong/Cox types early, along with someone like Tyrell Jenkins
- We’ll focus more on players like Lance Lynn, Mitchell Boggs, Chris Perez with the last three picks in the top 100.
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It's very relieving to have all that money coming off the books to spend in 2014
One upside of losing Pujols
I never want to see us sign multiple year contracts to #4 and #5 starters again
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Double Agreed.
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unless we put together a rotation with 5 Cy Young winners!
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by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
remember how BAD our rotation was in 07?
ugh
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Is there a McGwire/Kile/Edmonds/Rolen/Holliday type to be traded for?
If so, who do folks foresee him being?
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What position do we even have to fill?
Catcher is really the only one if we don’t resign Molina
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking after the 2013 season or at the 2014 trade deadline.
SS, CF, 1B/RF, and C all seem possible.
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I have a lot of faith in Ryan Jackon at SS
We have a lot of options for 1B.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I like Jackson, but I also liked Placido Polanco.
And Rolen was an upgrade over Polanco. I guess I’m thinking of a truly elite player that could be acquired.
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Maybe if Hanley wants to go back to SS in 2 years
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Hanley seems like a guy who is going to put on 20 pounds since he can now
/UninformedSpeculation
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm not sure where this faith in Ryan Jackson comes from
He’s a good, solid (but not great) defensive short stop and his hitting was only average for his league and inflated in exactly the way that you would expect Springfield to inflate batting numbers, i.e. an uncharacteristic power increase. Daniel Descalso had a much better year at Springfield with a similar power boost and we see how that looks now. Jackson is, of course, a better defender but I would expect he falls into a similar utility type role.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have!
o/
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and what's your assessment?
\o
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
He's not as rangy as Boog was, but it's still well above average
Like PH said, great reactions, good hands, quick release
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I can live with that
as long as he’s not just a black hole with a bat.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
He reminds me of Clint Barmes.
I will say that I haven’t been overly impressed with his arm strength on the few throws I’ve seen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I have.
I think I might have talked a little about this on here before. From what I saw, he had quick reactions and good hands but wasn’t super rangy and missed a couple groundballs up the middle that, say, Boog would have got to.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a hard time comparing anybody to Boog.
Boog’s a freak of nature as most elite defensive SS’s are.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
And yet that is who I most frequently hear Ryan compared
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So instead of being +15 he's +7-10 at SS
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that's a useful SS
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not if he is a 210/275/300 hitter
Just sayin’
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I made that remark a little higher up.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I guess...
I just know that the bar for Major league shortstop defense is set awfully high and people might be disappointed in what these range metrics have to say about Ryan Jackson.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I had to peg a number on it, I'd call him a +5 defensder at short
Which is still a considerable amount of defensive prowess.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As for the hitting
Yeah, there’s a lot of movement at the plate but the swing itself looks fine so I don’t worry about it too much. It’s a good, line drive generating kind of swing and not slappy like you see from a lot of defense-first shortstops. But the line drives don’t carry much so it’s more like singles and some doubles if they find the right gap.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seems like he could be an Adrus-lite kind of player
Hopefully hit for a good enough average, take some walks, not worry too much about power at all, and play good defense at SS. Maybe a touch more power than Andrus (who seems to never have really had any, while Jackson has at least some) and maybe not as good defense but still good?
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I agree with your Andrus Lite comment.
Now we just need to think of a misogynistic ad campaign to promote our brew.
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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Joey Votto?
I can’t see the Reds trading him in the division, but maybe a 2013 deadline deal.
David Wright?
Albert with the Angels picking up the devil's share of the bloated salary. . . .
. . . "It just didn’t work out. . . . "
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haha
you know, that thought has also crossed my mind a time or two. I can’t imagine it would ever really happen as I think too many bridges have been burned but…
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda think Theo is biding his time until 2013 when Votto hits free agency
and then is gonna go big to sign him.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I bet Votto gets super paid
By that time San Fran will be rid of all their bad contracts
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
He should get super paid.
It just won’t be Cinci doing it.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
well, he makes $19 mil in 2013 according to Cot's
so I’m sure he’s going to want a significant bump to that, plus the years.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
that's what I mean.
I can’t imagine Cinci being able to compete with that kind of contract increase.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Gordon, perhaps?
if he keeps this up, he’s going to price himself out of KC. we have that position filled already, though. i’m still holding out hope for McCutchen.
RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos
I hear he's the truth.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I likes McCutchen a lot.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think Gordon's year was a fluke. Though, honestly, I am completely biased because I hate Alex Gordon.
Everyone here (Meaning Lincoln, not VEB) holds him as a god because he reached the major leagues, and it has clearly gone to his head. Though this is completely not based on his actual stats, which are actually decently impressive. I would love to add McCutchen
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Um, this is ridiculous
I know a few royals fans and they all hated him until last year. Even though he was a decent player before his breakout.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I didn't say it was by any means sane, I readily recognize how crazy my hate of him is.
Oh I meant to delete the fluke part, I talked myself out of it later in the post with the “not based on actual stats” part but I forgot. I mean to say that I hope that he doesn’t return to that level of production, as terrible as it sounds.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I would gladly trade for him tomorrow
as long as Dayton Moore also thinks it was a fluke and will give him up for 2 C prospects.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
There's going to be less of those with the second wild card, but here goes:
Adam Jones
Brett Anderson
David Wright
Joe Mauer
Gavin Floyd
Michael Pineda
Felix Hernandez
Chris Young
Miguel Montero
Clay Kershaw
Tim Lincecum
Sign Roy O
Joey Votto and Brian McCann
are the two that pop in my mind when I think of players with this type of impact potential. I don’t think Cincy is all that interested in paying Votto the ridiculous price he’s going to require, but they probably don’t want to have him killing them for the next decade in the division either.
Atlanta will go ball to the wall to extend McCann, and if they can’t, he’ll be on the block at some point in the next year I would imagine.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Votto
is the one I keep coming back too. But he’s going to be very expensive and when I read lots of folks saying we’ve got so many options at 1B (I’m not sold on Adams or Hamilton yet), I wonder if I’m letting myself fixate too much on replacing a loss at 1B with someone who (currently) plays 1B. As has been pointed out, if we get/promote someone else to play 3B or RF, then Freese and/or Craig are available.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
We'd never be able to trade for him...
but I think he’s a potential free agent target in two years when he’s on the market. We’ll know what we have with Adams and Allen Craig at that point to make an informed decision.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Good to lboros write an occasional article here
Someone remind me to send photos tonight
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app reply actions
See
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Heh!
maybe maybe maybe maybe. . . . . but probably not.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
larry, if she doesn't pop in and see your request,
you need to get a hold of d-dee. She has thousands of pics from the last couple of seasons. Also, mom up usually has some that she has shared with us in the past.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i sent him an email, maybe he'll find something he needs
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Let me throw another name out there
Jacoby Ellsbury. Unless I’m way wrong, he finishes his last arbitration year in 2013. He plays center and hits left. He will be 31 and still should have five good years in him. He would also be massively expensive. Thoughts?
Well, I wonder how his power would hold up in Busch
and how much playing center in Busch would affect his defensive value. And of course, you have to take a wait and see approach to determine just how aberrational his ridiculous 2011 was.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Tougher CF in Boston, actually
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
just not sure why he would leave the Sox if he was still playing at a high level
can’t think of any stars, offhand, who have left NY/BOS recently to play elsewhere while still at a high level except Johnny Damon, who… signed with the Yankees.
RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos
I'd rather have Brett Gardner
if we’re pirating the AL East. And I see no reason why he wouldn’t be available.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Cubs trade Zambrano to Marlins for Volstad.
Cubs are picking up $15M of his money this year.
That’s… pretty not-terrible, actually. Good PR for Theo, Ltd.
Now if he can only find a sucker for that Soriano contract
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I can think of someone

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
dude looks like a shar-pei
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's actually an
over-pei
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
I set that one up on a tee.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
well done, sir
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I feel inferior for not coming up with this....
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bravo TBender.. . .beverage of choice on me next time you're in Bangkok!
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Now if he can only find a sucker for that Soriano contract
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
That contract is so bad
it was worth saying it twice!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
He should call up Anthopoulos for ideas
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
And if we're lucky
Zambrano will lose his shit and take a bat to the atrocity that is beyond the centerfield wall
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
They should install a Gatorade fountain in that thing
That would make this scenario perfect.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
with alternating flavors.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody else here probably feels this way, but I, for one, hope he rebounds
Think about how many gray hairs he’s gained while playing in Chicago. And it’s not like he’s a Theriot, he has some good stuff. I’d love to see him live up to his full potential now that he’s not a Cub and help restore baseball in Miami.
by hr on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson, Sanchez, Buehrle, zambrano
by Cheeseballs on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Johnson, Sanchez, Buehrle, Zambrano, ?
Not bad, really.
by Cheeseballs on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nolasco
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yup
I’d say they’re looking pretty favorable in the NL East right now. Solid rotation, capable offensively, and if Hanley returns to form they have a shot at the Phillies, I would think.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Reyes triples that all by himself
I think that Hanley’s bat will bounce back with Reyes being on base in front of him and Stanton hitting behind him. Infante/Reyes might be the best defensive middle infield in baseball next year. I think that Sanchez and Morrison are good players. The one issue I think they have is whether Brian Peterson can be a starter in CF; if he can’t, they have a real hole to fix there. Otherwise they look to be set:
Reyes 6
Morrison 7
Hanley 5
Stanton 9
Sanchez 3
Buck 2
Infante 4
Peterson 8
Pitcher
Rotation of Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Beurhle, Zambrano.
Solid bullpen + Heath Bell.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
Hanley will be interesting.
Sort of hard, with the weight gain and all, to think that his performance wasn’t in large part related to him not caring much, on top of the shoulder problems. And I say that as somebody who HATES when players are accused of being lazy/disinterested. We’ll see if the Reyes signing is a kick in the butt, or not.
I'll be interested to see whether Ozzie puts them both at the top of the lineup 1-2
I’d probably do it, considering that Morrison/Sanchez are very good options for #3 hitters and Stanton is a great #4 hitter. Getting their speed and power at the top of the lineup would really wreak some havoc on opposing defenses.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
if you can keep that rotation healthy, they're gonna be pretty solid.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Honestly I gotta think
that Zambrano and Ozzie will go at it at least once.
not that there's anything wrong with that
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Until Zambrano puts up a sub 3.00 ERA. . .
in that Death Valley of a ballpark. Good deal by the Marlins IMHO.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Poll:
Number of days into Spring Training before Zambrano attacks Ozzie Guillen with a baseball bat:
- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
- 0 — He’ll kill him with a Gatorade cooler before using the bat.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
This has me thinking: could Holliday be moved to first base before the end of his contract?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it certianly should be a possiblity
depending on the landscape of talent we would have in his later years.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering why this hasn't been talked about more in the medium/long term discussions
Since Craig and Freese are relatively young still.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
he started out as a 3B
and was ryan braun-esque, defensively.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
He doesn't seem like the infielder type.
But more importanlty, seems like we have more 1B types than LF types – especially Freese (if Cox plays 3B) and Adams.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
BJ Upton
Don’t I remember him dogging a shot in the gap within the last few years? Lapse or common practice?
I love his ability, but don’t want another Juan ’ceon player/fan venom.
by openside on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Oh man I really wanna make a joke but I don't want the robot to ban me again
I WILL POST THIS INSTEAD

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
when did he ban you?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well he warned me for making casual racist jokes
And then banned me because he and Fritz got drunk
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
DRUNK ON POWER.
And beer.
Mostly beer.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I feel your pain.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
how many times is it now?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I've lost track.
The robot has the official count. All I know, is that I’m in second place for warnings.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
lawlz
at least he’s not dropped the big hammer on you yet
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just his plaything.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Someone rocketed into first recently.
I’m not sure you’d make top 10 in flags. Certainly not if you don’t the ones where I’m screwing with you.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
The one's where you are screwing with me
account for about 95%, I would think. I think I’ve only gotten one, possibly 2 true warnings.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
VAN GUNDY!
he is a walking slapstick punchline.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i'm lol'ing all over the place
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Was that the time he got into a fight with Longoria?
I tend to assume that sort of thing is an isolated incident, but I do not know for sure. The defensive metrics seem to think he does a good job overall though.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I believe so
I like him a lot, I just don’t watch enough Rays baseball to say one way or another.
by openside on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he had one highly publicized instance where he jogged after a ball
and I think Maddon pulled him for it. I don’t know if it is a common thing though.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Signing back Colby would be clever
And while most GMs wouldn’t, Moz was going to extend him until Tony demanded him out. That said he’ll either blossom and be expensive, or forever be a good not great player who is hated for not being excellent with his talent and hype. I would love signing Upton myself
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm all for signing Upton, just wouldn't want to trade for him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
So I watched an episode of Futurama last night for the first time in about 4 years
And it was the episode where azru gets his current avatar from, I started freaking out and my bro and sis were all WTF and I was all, OMG and they were all, Weirdo, and then I was all, IDGAFTIA.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions
I think i just stepped in a worm hole and went back to the early 2000s
you guys are seeing this right?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I almost stepped into a wormhole yesterday on my way home, it led underground and smelled really bad for some reason.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
you must have gone to the dimension of the mole people
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
That explains why I heard Theriot's voice....
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
i'm so so happy snakebro is back, you guys
i was really worried about him for a while
RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos
Psh, he's just a worse Dadboner
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm sick and tired of your DadBoner bashing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sick of this. Sick of everything.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
There's No Place Like The Neighborhood, to Get Blackout Drunk For A Holiday Celebraish
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
DadBoner is one of those things that is okay on its own
But if people you frequently interact with also know what it is, then it’s awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Don't be such a grossout, you classless sow
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...
You are all weirdos.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
So the sbnation android app is very nice
Bit it is a little buggy. Sometimes i want to create a new comment but it ends up as a reply (reverse reply fail?). Also it crashes every few days.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Mine force closes several times a day.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just plug in Aaron Luna or Matt Carpenter
at least that’s what I was told when I posted this same thing six hours ago
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Oh snap, scoot's throwing down!
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dodgems allegedly nearing deal with Mike MacDougal
He’s an ex-cardinal, therefore this counts as news.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Some people beleive in the existence of Mike MacDougal, but I remain skeptical.
Sounds like something those folks in California would make up.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
goddamn wishy washy lefty democrat liberal communist homosexuals
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
i'm taking them down from the inside
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Are you sure you're not actually American?
You know us so well!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Mac the Ninth?
More like something a German would dream up…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Announced...
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi Close
#Dodgers announce one-year with reliever Mike MacDougal. It includes a club sandwich for 2013.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Marbled rye
or 9-grain? Toasted or not?
Don’t let ’em screw you out of your share of bacon!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
It included a personal sandwiches clause
They wanted to show MacDougal that they respected him and they wanted him to be an integral part of the club.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cardinal Trivia
Which individual who played for the Cardinals during the 1980s achieved baseball fame earlier by being the first player in history to hit home runs in each of his first two World Series at bats?
Bonus question: Which person with current Cardinal ties was the trivia answer backing up when the trivia answer began his major league career ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions
This would be
A. Gene Tenace
B. Dave Duncan
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bing Bing Bing
Well done
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Only other player to do it?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Andruw Jones
homered in his first two World Series at bats in 1996. Jones was 19 at the time – becoming the youngest player to homer in the WS.
Andruw Jones – Over the 9 year period from 1998 to 2006 averaged 6.1 bWAR but has TOTALED 0.5 bWAR in the four seasons since 2008.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you mean 3 seasons since 2008
unless you’re a time traveler.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe, you're including 2008?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
2008 -2.3
2009 0.8
2010 1.1
2011 0.9
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
oh my, 2008
it’s REALLY hard to be that bad.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
How come automatic dispensers are so prevalent in bathrooms nowadays
They add absolutely zero convenience. Seems like technology for it’s own sake.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
probably to prevent germ transfer
if you don’t have to put your hands on anything to operate it, you’re at less risk of spreading/acquiring germs
This
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
that's always seemed ass-backward
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Some bathrooms have those metal things at the bottom of the door so you can open with your foot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Has anyone seen the urinals with foot pedals to flush?
Some of the buildings at UIUC have them
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Bro you just gotta ninja kick that shit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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our building has a "green" urinal
that has no water flow. Nastiest thing I’ve ever seen. Smells like you are walking into an outhouse and the damn thing backs up with some kind of oil and urine whenever the filter gets stopped up. Whoever thought of these things should be shot.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
most standard urinals are a gallon per flush
newer or remodeled wal marts have new urinals that are something like a pint per flush, and they all smell like piss. Might as well put some Wrigley Field troughs in there.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
That is just a legend
Never seen one in person before
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't they just use double swinging doors?
(I’m sure they are probably more expensive, so there’s my answer).
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
keep your paper towels you used to dry your hands
if there is no trashcan by the door just throw them on the floor.
OR
stand there awkwardly until someone else comes in
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
You gotta swish that wad of paper towels from across the room, while propping the door open with your foot.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If they aren't courteous enough to put a trash can next to the door
just drop the paper towel right by the door when you get out. Keep this in mind if you ever want to invite me to your house.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'd like to know who has a bathroom so big
that the trashcan in said bathroom isn’t close to the door by default
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Nickelback
but seriously, it’s not uncommon for the trash can to be 20 feet away in public restrooms.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i hate that i get this reference
stupid ex-girlfriend and her stupid taste in “music”
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
it came on the jukebox at the restaurant over my lunch break
only reason it popped into my head.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Do what my wife does
and grab a paper towel (assuming they haven’t all been replaced with the
free bacon dispensers), and use that to open the door, then throw it away (again, assuming trash can is near door).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pegacorn wing dispenser?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are pegacorns that small?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Big dispenser
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I wanted something all handsy and germ infected, I know who to call.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
my old job had automatic toilets
but manual sinks. That always seemed very backwards to me.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Interesting Johns Hopkins study
here about how hands-free faucets actually have more germs than standard taps.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
the thing I hate about hands-free faucets is that they are never hot enough.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
This.
Actually, most public faucets, hands-free or not, are not hot enough, imo. I’m sure it’s because the owners of the facilities the washrooms are located in do not want a burning incident turning into a lawsuit.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I've used lots of them that are
extremely hot. You need to hang out in a better class of public restroom!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
the automated paper towl dispensers are the worst
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
...
http://cheadlesucks.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-motion-activated-paper-towel.html
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Because modern people are ridiculous germophobes
Who think they’re going to come down with malaria from touching a surface in a bathroom.
/mini-rant
by mojowo11 on Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
whenever VEB stops talking for a few minutes
i always think that every one is taken aback by some shocking news / announcement of some sort. Then i check the news and MLBTR and realise that its just a slow day.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
its huge. game changer.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn, beat me to it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Papa Johns is running a promotion for 50% off all menu items till Sunday
just enter coupon code “halfoff” . So you can get 100 wings for $30
o_o
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
you are right
Better make it 200
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
254 Million
Over 10 years. But only with respect and a personal services contract
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't stop myself from laughing at this, though I tried. How I did try.
Rec, sir.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
In other words....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgRo9NYXjg
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Can you have wings for Thirstday? Ha!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Man I get large 1 toppings for $5 at Papa John's
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
not working
liar
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 5, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
stupid mid-missouri
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 5, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh...
It would be one thing he left for near equal money or less, but the Cardinals offer just wasn’t really competitive.
if it really was 10/220
then it was only ~8% less.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It's the 30 million deferred beyond the 10 years
that makes the offer uncompetitive, especially considering the Angels’ offer contains about 25 million in performance incentives and no deferments.
Also, from the Cardinals side of things....
They already owe him, I believe, $1.2 million annually between 2020-2029 in deferred money.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
it wasn't about the money though, no PS Contract/family love which caused him to cried
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes, there are deferments
he doesn’t reach “full salary” for several years
he reaches year 10 5M in the hole
that is deferred money
TLR is gone, long live the king
Pujols’ average salary matches that of Philadelphia pitcher Cliff Lee for the third highest among current players behind Rodriguez and Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard ($25 million).
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
How are those A-Rod and Howard contracts working out
If there’s one that’s clear, it’s that you should only give megadeals to pitchers!
Sign Ben Sheets!
I wanted to make a Barry Ziti comment but I liked this one more
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I found this nugget interesting:
Los Angeles’ offer to Pujols surpassed St. Louis’ offer by more than $40 million.
Are they reporting that the Cards offer was less than $200MM?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
well, they're talking about 240 million in cash, right?
I’m presuming that all of the non-cash stuff has cash values attached to it that would add up to the 254 reported.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Non-guaranteed money does not count towards the luxury tax, so I don't know why that would be the comparison.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
beats me then.
it’s probably as WMT says, the deferred money drew down the total offered.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to say. But, because of the deferred money in the Cards' offer, which gets discounted
when such contracts are valued by MLB and the MLBPA, the Cards’ offer may very well have been less than $200MM.
For example, according to MLB, Holliday’s contract was a 7yr/$113.5MM deal.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I wondered how ESPN was valuing the deals. The article isn't very clear.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Buster Olney
tweets the MLBPA’s valuation of the Pujols contract:
The union has calculated value of Pujols’s contract as: It’s worth $246,841,811. $240m,+present-day value of his personal services deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's a really strange number
I can’t figure out what the fuck interest rate they would be using. Either ~2.5% to bring it back to 2012 or ~7.5% to bring it back to 2021 and tack it on to the 30M year. Neither one really makes much sense given how oddball the numbers are.
Not afraid to nitpick
Non-serious answer: The SENSUAL one. Ooh la la!
Slightly more serious answer: the Medieval-Time-lookin’ one.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That is the only show I have actually been to before
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
There was a Medieval Times in Dallas, where I went to college. I always told myself I would go there but I never did.
I guess sometimes you just don’t appreciate what you have.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Reminds me of this scene from Knocked Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhG7GzWJFg
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
the rainbow avatar?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Ka or Zumanity
They will be far better than any of those others.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
The crossover Cirque shows (Chris Angel, Elvis, Beatles) are not as good.
Jabawockeez are dancers from MTV’s ABDC show (good show). Just go to Medieval Times in Chicago sometime. And just say no to ventriloquists.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Skip criss angel
I have heard good things about jabbawockeez.
The jousting thing looks fun. Zumanity too but manly for the adult themes
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Callis on Shelby Miller
Jim Callis @jimcallisBA Close
Could see mid-2012. @r0nito: Miller ETA? #Cardinals
That soon means 2 injured starters, right?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is called up and installed in the bullpen if he pitches well for Memphis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
My anecdote about Matt Adams:
Last season, I got an assignment from a client to shoot the Friday Night Fireworks at Hammons Field in Springfield. I wasn’t attending the game, so I rolled up in the last third of the game, found a good spot outside the park, and set up my equipment. I had no way of following the game at that point, but I knew we had a comfortable lead heading into the bottom of the eighth. So, despite not knowing what was going on, I heard Adams’ name called over the public address system. I thought to myself, “I bet he puts another one on top of the training center.” Sure enough, a minute or two later, I hear a crack, the low rumble of the crowd swell to a roar, and a siren sound within the stadium. Sure enough, Patch came through again.
Kind of hard to describe, but kind of a cool baseball experience. Plus the photos came out rather well, too:

@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Jan 5, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Would be cool to see a long exposure on them
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I can't remember off-hand,
but I think that was a three-second exposure. It has to be a semi-longish exposure in order to get nice streaks of light.
@aaronjscott
by musialsuspects on Jan 5, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Loved the photo and your handle
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
that's awesome!
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
A 2012 Post
by lboros, D.D.U. and H.B.E.**
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
thanks, larry! …. /sheds sentimental tear
(**) Designated DanUp and Head Blogger Emeritus
"The dog! The dog! He's at it again!"
SWEET!!
Your request for “Pokepark Wii Pikachu’s adventure” has been filled and will be held for you at our McClay Branch through Tuesday Jan 10 2012 .
I love the St. Charles Library.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
They really do have an awesome libary system
You ever use them for e-books?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
If I had something with which to read e-books, I probably would.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
when i went without cable for awhile
i completely exhausted their supply of movies
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I did that, as well, about 5 years ago.
They had most of the AFI top 100 movies and I was surprised how quickly they got some of the newer movies. Sometimes within a few months of them coming out on video.
I’m glad all my late fees help they buy good stuff.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Thanks for posting. Doesn't look as bad as some other sports games' soundtracks
But I’m still glad I can use the music that’s on my PS3 instead. Can’t believe a the dude in the comments is complaining about no Limp Bizkit or 311
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
i actually only like 2 or 3 songs on it
which is less than usual. i’m happy that there’s the option of a custom soundtrack, because that’s gonna be the way to go.
Yeah I'm just gonna turn off all of those tracks, I think I kept one or two from the last two years.
The greatest sports game soundtrack remains MVP Baseball 2005. That was just an amazing game all around.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Reading through the track list I can still remember how most of those songs go.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
i liked just about every song from the 04 & 05 soundtracks, especially 05
EA knew what kind of songs to put on those games. the madden soundtracks keep getting worse as the years pass.
I haven't bought a Madden game in a while, but the soundtracks for NBA 2K11
and 2K12 are both terrible, increasingly so.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder what the target age/demographic is for madden
it could just be that you are aging further from their target / their target has shifted and therefore the songs aren’t as appealing to you as others.
from your experience, you liked the soundtracks from when you were what, 13? 14? I wonder how 13 & 14 year olds feel about today’s soundtrack
I'm 17 and a bunch of my friends also hate the soundtrack for 2K12, so there's that.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
im basically wondering if it's a small way to sell the 9-12 year olds on buying a madden game yearly
basically like how Joe Cool ads weren’t..umm..cool to the 18 year olds by design
i think that's a part of it
because the songs that they had on the madden games were heavily edited (drug references, cuss words, etc)
IDK
I got sick of those songs pretty quickly. I preferred the songs in the 07 mod patch
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I noticed that this isn't a Grooveshark link
There are two songs I didn’t find in quick searching. Also, I didn’t actually play them through. I’m not that useful.
I always hope I get the airplane seat next to the cute girl
But I always end up with the obese man and his elderly mother and behind the loud French-speaking family with crying children that seem to be on the brink of collective emotional breakdown.
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I sat next to the cute girl once
Of course I watched deadwood with captions on during the flight. She pretty much ran off the plane.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm rec'in the hell outta this one.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I sat across from the cute girl once
on a trans-Pacific flight from LA to Sydney. We had a section pretty much to ourselves, and the seats actually faced each other. Problem: she was early 20’s and single, I was 41, married, and a father, heading to my step-father’s wedding, and would be meeting up with my own family in Hawaii, on the way back from Australia, a couple of days later. 12+ hours on a plane, I usually have no problems falling asleep, but this time I couldn’t get comfortable, and stayed awake the whole time. I engaged in very little convo with her, to try to keep it normal for myself, but I was a wreck when we touched down.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I've only flown a few times, and when I was younger
Hoping to get the cute girl on my flight to Europe this semester
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you do, you gotta tell me your secret
by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes you're the windshield
Last Xmas i sat next to the cute girl. She slept in my bed that night. No action cuz her boyfriend back home wasn’t cool with it, but plenty of nudity. I’LL TAKE IT. She even texted to see if i was visiting Houston again this year. Sadly, I wasn’t. Looking forward to the holiday season already.
Remember, you almost never get a pitch to hit, but when you do, you just gotta put your best swing on it. I think that’s my new life motto.
Rip it up and start again
by good cut good cut on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
and a loy nomination for you.
Welcome back.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
don't you mean stanofstan?
or maybe berkofstan
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
...
Stan: No, I am your father.
Berk: No. No. That’s not true. That’s impossible…
Stan: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
Berk: No! No!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
well put
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Still waiting on announcement of 2011 winner.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
as soon as dan fixes the damn search function.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This is oddly specific
All I’ve learned is that I should turn caption off when I watch Deadwood on the flight
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
The imdb description of Before Sunrise:
A young man and woman meet on atraininplane to Europe, and wind up spending one romantic evening together in Vienna. Unfortunately, both know that this will probably be their only night together.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And it works because I'll be in Vienna!
But I’m flying with other students who not only will be living with me there, but also attend the same school as me when I get back. So I will have to get creative.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Love that movie
and the sequel’s not too bad, either.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Best trip of my life
Was coming back from Hawaii with my family. I was 16 at the time. My mom worked for the airline and we had one first class ticket that I ended up getting. Even though I was in first class the middle row was 5 long and I got stuck in the middle of it. Than it happened. The Hawaiian Tropic girls got on the plane. They were wearing stripper shoes and had on super tight clothes. I ended up with 2 on both sides of me for an 8 hour flight.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I sat next to a cute girl once
of course i was 14, so we just played one of those puzzles.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
My pref #3 and #1 in that order
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Randolph needs to be kicked off #3
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
why? takes up to much space? he's an institution just like shannon
trying out no caps deal … was awkward, had to go back and edit out the caps
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I got Jaime and Craig's autograph on the same ball
Last year at the rolla caravan. I put the ball on a shelf
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The first time I read this I saw I got Craig Jame's autograph.
And I was wondering who would what his autograph.
/dyslexia
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
similar, I read "I stuffed the ball in my shirt"
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Mattoon paper reported Freese was going to be on their caravan a couple of weeks ago
guess they were wrong.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hot damn
Freese, Jaime and Shelby in my town.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
New theory: JD is legend has kidnapped Y2S
by all4tookie on Jan 5, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh lord, that's gotta be it!
The only question is… who’s next?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I've got my fingers crossed it's clank
probably a werewolf.
by clankbot on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well we should try to get a ransom together I guess
I have like 5 dollars in pennies I could donate
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
in the van?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I miss Y2S. I was playing wonderputt the other day and thought of him
(or her. I know nothing about that person except that they like the Cardinals and have some firm beliefs about VEB).
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
come back y2s! VEB is incomplete w/o you
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
DanUp maybe if you send him a personal invite that would work, like the Gipper asking him to win one for you
… and hopefully it’ll work
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I plan on it soon
figured I’d allow for a cooling-off period
by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks from a newb this past year ... he was one of the first to make me feel welcome
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
he's pretty good about that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
you have been especially welcoming as well MtF
at least in my case
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
thanks. I try to be
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
the Forsch is strong in you
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
And various minuteae
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jd's last comment was:
Ha, boob
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Poor JD
He’s gone to the big Waffle House in the sky.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It's like some werewolf is going around devouring the VEB regulars
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I have often had this thought
If a VEBer ever died, there is a chance we would never find out
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought that earlier, but didn't want to say anything.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
If you really want to get down to it
Sheer probability says at least one person who has posted on VEB is no longer alive
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
another forum i was a part of had a regular die
and somehow they found out. you’d be surprised how many internet detectives are out there.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 5, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Werewolf, or Skip Schumaker enthusiast?
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
Enough of your wild and crazy accusations!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
It's The Demon Barber of Fleet Street all over again!
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
...
Werewolf, or Skip Schumaker enthusiast?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Menical laugh, Menical laugh, Menical laugh!
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
had Monical on the brain
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
That too
I blame the delicious cheesy Mac I’m eating at cheese-ology
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its impossible for me to look at their sign and not read it as "Cheese-loogy"
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
If I start reading it like that I'm blaming you
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's too late.
you’ll think about that every single time you go past their now. Enjoy.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was just wondering yesterday where JD had gotten to.
I figure Y2S will come back eventually.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
This is a nice article and all,
but this blog has really changed since the good old days of DanUp.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
And a rec.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It feels like just yesterday that he was posting articles
Dear Leader
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
and then he popped
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
and theres just all these cliques now
i miss the good old days
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I tried very hard to read this as
clichés, but couldn’t do it, mostly because the accent aigu was missing.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
OT, Tim Howard the goalie for Everton scored a goal from 100 yards.
He’s the 4th goalie in EPL history to score a goal.
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST reply actions
I saw that
The wind did really weird things to that kick
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
he looked frozen
But h judged that ball poorly. Like he couldn’t decide whether to try to take it in the air or off the bounce
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
It looked like the ball took one heck of a huge bounce though..
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 5, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was a superball bounce.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I don't necessarily blame him, that bounce was ridiculous.
Under normal circumstances I imagine the ball would have bounced right to him.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
I played a keeper for most of the 25 years I played soccer, and wind can be a bitch. Also, balls shouldn’t normally bounce that high, either.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
classy guy too
felt really bad for the opposing keeper, and didn’t celebrate. said the same thing happened to him a long time ago, and wouldn’t wish it upon anyone.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Good News:
Dan McLaughlin is set to be the emcee of one of the Cardinals Caravans.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST reply actions
Just saw this, and thought of rui.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Should've made it 5 panels with a blank 4th panel
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
humor is all timing in the timing ...... c'mon guy
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sup VEB
its been a bit. How goes things in Cardinal land?
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
65 in January?
Sold. Something tells me we are going to pay dearly for this.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Western NC
We just saw our first measurable snow of the season monday night. extremely unusual.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
First week of January and theres only been one measurable snow here too
I’m waiting for another Snowpacalypse!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love snow.
Im also an (extremely) amateur weather buff. From what I’ve been reading, it sounds like we could be in for a pattern change coming in the next month or so. but who knows?
i just hope we see one really good storm before winter ends.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I was able to open my door and get some fresh air
Until my d-bag neighbors started smoking again. It’s like a smokestack is next door, I don’t know how it gets in so much but within a minute the entire inside of my house is covered in the smell. I’ve actually had problems breathing it got so bad before. It’s like they sit outside and blow the smoke deliberately into our house.
/diatribe
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Good! While this off-season hasn't exactly been a fairy tale,
we’re mostly pretty pumped about Beltran and happy about Furcal. Oswalt rumors are intriguing as well.
The big question is how are YOU feeling about needing to root for Big Z?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I feel like the marlins cleaned up in tht deal actually.
Volstad is a 25 year old, former first round pick, who has pitched quite poorly. its not like we didnt give him a shot either. he had 3 years of poor play. The upside on Zambrano is high. we only pay 2-3 million to him this season, and if he even comes close to his 2010 stats, it will be twice as good of stats we were getting from Volstad in the #5 slot.
1 year flier on a veteran pitcher for 2 million, who has shown ace stuff before? low risk. High ceiling for reward.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think getting him makes sense for you all. I know nothing about Volstad, though.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Volstad is a 6' 8" sinkerballer. He was 5-13
with round a 4.80 ERA. Zambrano had similar stats last year, but he has at least had great seasons before and last year seemed a bit fluky.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
admittedly I dont know alot about advanced stats
but it seems that Volstad has always pitched worse then advanced stats would indicate. fact is he had a terrible year last year.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
the advanced stats just look at the things that are more in a pitchers control
Volstad’s strikeout and walk rates were both at a career best last year, and that’s usually a harbinger of future success. His GB% was also at a career high and well above the league average. His HR/FB was pretty well elevated above the league average, which could mean he was throwing more hitable pitches – but that doesn’t gel with his improved strikeout rate and is most likely not much of a concern going forward.
I think Volstad and Zambrano are about equal going forward, and the Marlins save salary with this, so I think it’s a good trade.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Theo's got his hands full in Chicago
When I was up there I saw Theo themed Obama Hope poster that just said “THEO”
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he's prepared for when it goes downhill
and the city turns on him. Maybe he could sneak out of the stadium in a Bartman costume
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Barring mental breakdowns
Giving up one too many homeruns at home may do it
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good thing their display doesn't go off when opponents hit a HR.
That would surely speed up the process.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
how do you think that the combination
of guys like hanley, zambrano & ozzie – all known as guys who voice their frustrations – will gel in the clubhouse?
I feel that this is being WAY overblown
Ozzie is a character for sure. we’ll see how that turns out.
As for Hanley, he stated yesterday that he was willing to move to 3B to help the team win. said all the right things. I bet hes not as happy about it as he conveyed though, but he is stupid if he thinks moving to third and making room for Reyes does not make his chances at winning a heck of alot better.
Zambrano also has alot of reason to behave. new city, contract year coming up. we’ll see, but I think you will find Zambrano and Ozzie to get along fine.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
they are reported to be friends, countrymen and all
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
yes they are romans
by way of venezuela
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
They made a Pepsi commercial together!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone needs me, i'll be in the angry dome

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Zelda, probably
If we look at the whole history of their games and music
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
dammit aranathor
making to posts in a row
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Videogame with the best soundtrack
GO!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Oh man
You really don’t want me to pay attention to my family tonight, do you
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
You have no need of family when you have VEB
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Oh snap, this is a direct challenge.
Ummmm….uhhhhhhh…..eeeeeeeehhhh…. Batman: Arkham City?
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Which one?
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Skyward Sword came with
a 25th anniversary symphonic composition of 8 different zelda songs, including a medley from each of a few of the most recent games (windwaker, twilight princess). Pretty awesome, plus it was “free”.
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Coincidental link that I just saw in my timeline
This would be awesome
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Chronotrigger
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You guys ever heard the weird jazz album of covers from that game?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah, it looks like something that somebody made up. The album cover is also a pretty big non sequitur as far as I can tell.
But it’s real.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
that is some pretty interesting stuff
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds interesting
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Are we talking individual games or series?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
individual games
just to make my standard answer of ‘soulcalibur’ less valid.
The Dreamcast version of soulcalibur has some great songs, but they can be quite same-y. Soulcalibur 2 on the NGC has more standout tracks but isn’t as good overall.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
my video game exposure is pretty limited, but i enjoy mayhem to the sound of blondie singing "heart of glass"
so, vice city.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Off the top of my head
Act Raiser
Jet Set Radio
Final Fantazy 3(6)
Super Castevania 4
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I had a real hankerin' to play Jet Set Radio recently, but I don't have a Dreamcast at home anymore.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I loved the Dreamcast in college
Probably the most underrated system
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it had a pretty kick-ass run
Soul Calibur, Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, the first Sonic Adventure was pretty good. I’m sure there are some awesome ones I’m forgetting.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
2nd sonic adventure was good too
lest we forget
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
yeah
the sonic games fell off so quickly after that that I forget how much I enjoyed the second one.
I just never got around to playing the second one
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
your honestly missing out
its a fun game. although the story gets a little wierd at the end.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I can't figure out where I put my dreamcast
but I remember being pissed off that I couldn’t skip the knuckles stages.
Actraiser final fantasy megaman zelda
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Does any Megaman soundtrack really compare to Megaman 2?
It’s so perfect. I think it has an argument for best ever. It’s like a band made an album with eleven songs, and ten of them were number one hits, and the last one was really good but only broke the top 20.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I love those videos!
I’ve listened to way, way too many of them already…
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Are you sure you're not thinking of The Advantage?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I have an mp3 of that, and one of the Minibosses doing a whole medley
But I can’t find The Advantage one on YouTube.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I was thinking of the bubble man section of the minibosses' medley
the advantage version is also great.
Oh, OK
Either way, Bubble Man is a good song. So we are in total agreement. We can now have peace in our time.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I hooked my NES back up over break and I've been playing a ton of mega man.
for some reason my copy of 2, out of all 6, is no longer working. this gameplay footage is killing me.
Skyrim music is pretty great too
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rockband 1, 2 or 3
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
flagged
Rockband and it’s ilk just make me hate what ever song that person is attempting to play
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe "that person" just sucks at Rockband
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Road Rash
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Yay!
How the heck are you Aranathor? Happy Christmas I hope
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm good
i have returned to my university home on the west coast of Britain, christmas was good, but i’m hella glad its over. And most importantly i get to see my BF again on saturday, which i really cannot wait for.
How are you I-M-L-A?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
IMLA is pretty cool acronym
really rolls off the tounge.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
appreciate it it and glad you enjoyed it
On a personal note the fam and I did as well. Really enjoy this time of year and the time off. Watched some great movies … Radio Days, Purple Rose of Cairo, The Maltese Falcon, Barefoot Contessa, and Casablanca to name a few, got the 06 and 11 WS sets and a few good books to read. Overall was very reinvigorating.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Radio Days is one of my favorite movies ever (so is Casablanca, but that's less surprising).
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yeah I especially love period classic movies when it comes to the newer ones
When we watched Paper Moon with the girls and they were hooked on good ol’ timey movies to my delight but it’s damned hard to live up to in continued selections.
Sidebar I followed it up with Stand by Me and we never looked back but I have to be on my game with movie selections. I am glad they’re liking the Bogie movies and they have also enjoyed Christmas classics for years like Miracle on 54th Street older and new versions, and old classics like It’s a Wonderful Life (no haters please). Speaking of Jimmy Stewart, we watched Harvey this holiday season too.
I’m always open to suggestions as I really love my other hobby of classics and sharing with the kids. So if you have favourites your children have enjoyed with you please share….Lurkers welcome
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Barefoot Contessa?
Without going to IMdB, trying to remember this. Is that with Sophia Loren and Paul Newman?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bogie and Ava Gardner the other amazing woman of the same decade(s)
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, had to go look
boy was I off. Must have been thinking about Lady L. Haven’t seen it in probably 35+ years
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I watched Maltese Falcon for the first time.
I love older movies such as that.
"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite part is when Bogie pulls Wilmer's suit coat down over his shoulders and takes his guns away
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
laugh every time
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Aw fuck.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Pitching coach Dave Duncan is taking leave of absence from #STLCards. Full story coming. #MLB
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
Good thing we've still got Carp to fill in.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
And I certainly hope that everything is still okay with Mrs. DD.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
now strauss reports he is stepping down
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
follow up tweet makes it sound like that's a no
“citing family matters”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
if that means what i think it means, my heart goes out to dave, chris, and shelley.
what a heartbreaker.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
More stuff rolling in makes it seem like Strauss is wrong
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
like that would be a first
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Goold said something about him stepping down too though, I think
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yeah the difference in semantics is confusing
“stepping down” vs. “leave of absence” . Rosenthal’s “Leave of absence” is saying the enitre season.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Damn, the other shoe has dropped
best wishes to them
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
We're in the other thread
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
goddamnit
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Update
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Chris Carpenter will take on the job as Pitching coach #STLCards
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
the question is
who comes out and pays him a mound visit?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
A Brazilian anaconda that they will keep in a cage in the clubhouse.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
he'd just turn that into shoes and a handbag for his wife
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
here's rosenthal's full story
Duncan, 66, is leaving the team so he can be with his wife, Jeanine, who underwent surgery to remove a brain tumor on Aug. 21, sources said.
"As far as how long he’ll be gone, no one knows," Mozeliak said.
The Cardinals intend to make a formal announcement Friday and leave open the possibility that Duncan can return to the organization at a later time.
that sucks on multiple points
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
welp
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Who in the hell is Greg Garcia?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions
I think he's the Houston Texans 6th string QB
which means he’s starting on Saturday.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
round 7 draftee out of Hawai'i in 2010.
If you read FR, you’d know this.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
jeez...
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Miguel Cabrera ordered to pay total of $1,436.23 in DUI plea. He earned $20M last year. Equivalent to $3.59 for someone who makes $50k.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions
he probably pulled that out of his front pocket
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Poor bastard
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
wow
unbelievable
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I like you topic
2014 is going to be a year the youth are served. Sure Wainwright and Garcia will anchor the rotation with Shelby Miller and Lance Lynn (or Rzepczynski) both serving in their 2nd seasons as regulars. Carlos Martinez or Trevor Rosenthal will move into the 5th spot. Let’s skip to the starting lineup. 1b – Matt Adams will begin his first full season their after his apprenticeship under Berkman in 2013. Allen Craig will back him up. Both are unheralded players who put up huge numbers in the minors but people weren’t sure if they’d translate into the majors. One of them will succeed. 2b – Kolten Wong. He will begin his reign as the star second sacker we never wanted to pay to have. 3b. – David Freese and his wonky ankles will hopefully be holding up due to regular rests and Matt Carpenter backing him up. Dan Descalso of course will more then capably spell 2b, ss & 3b. Matt Holliday in left is a given. Jon Jay will be still having people shake their heads at how well he produces in CF. In right, well it’s Oscar Taveras time, which he will share with Craig. And yes, Skip Schumaker will still be the 5th outfielder. At, catcher will STILL be Yadier Molina, maybe not playing as many games as before, however, I don’t feel he will leave via free agency and I don’t think he will go down hill as quick as other catchers. The Molina’s are tough and durable and Yadi is the best of them. The organization can’t afford to let him leave. Now the backup could be any of Anderson, Cruz, Stanley or Stephen Hill. As for shortstop, I’m going with a trade (that Mozeliak is normally afraid to do and never does) of minor league prospects. We trade Zack Cox to Texas for wonderkind Jurickson Profar. He has Taveras potential on offense and a tremendous glove on D. The Rangers have Andrus and don’t need him, whereas they could use Cox at 3rd and move the aging Beltre to 1b or DH. The highly under-rated Ryan Jackson could fill in just in case Profar isn’t ready until 2015. So what we have, is yes, a very young team of exciting talent that will grow together. Keeping the costs down in case one of them fails and we need to bring in an expensive free agent. And that’s how I see if shaking out.
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