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beyond beltran and berkman

happy 2012, one and all. i’m your designated danup today. good position for a geezer like me -- way too old and slow to be trusted afield, but can pick up a few stray ABs now and again without hurting the team.

so let’s get right down to it. i’m impressed w/ the cardinals’ rapid patch-up job after pujols’ departure. by signing furcal and beltran, they gave themselves a good chance to stay competitive in the short run, while avoiding deadweight obligations that will hurt them in the medium and long term. the latter are what i’ve been thinking about lately -- the 2014 season and beyond, when the expiration dates (literally and figuratively) will have passed on beltran, berkman, furcal, and chris carpenter. molina may be gone by then as well -- and if he’s still here, he’ll be entering an age range at which (as tom s documented last week) catchers are susceptible to sharp drops in value. it’s safe to say that after 2014 the cardinals will need help at catcher regardless of whether yadi’s still on the team.

that’s a whole lot of lost value they’ll have to replace in the not-too-distant future, and the organization is not likely to do it solely with internal resources. here’s the projected depth chart heading into the 2014 season, based on players who are currently under control through that year (2014 age in parens):

1b matt adams (25) mark hamilton (29) andrew brown (29)
2b dan descalso (27) kolten wong (23) greg garcia (24)
3b david freese (31) zack cox (25) matt carpenter (28)
ss tyler greene (30) ryan jackson (26) pete kozma (26)
lf matt holliday (34)
cf jon jay (29) adron chambers (27) tommy pham (26)
rf allen craig (29) andrew brown (29) oscar taveras (22)
c bryan anderson (27) tony cruz (27) robert stock (24)

plenty of quibbles you could make w/ my selections if you wanted. maybe cody stanley or audry perez or even steve hill (who will be 29 by 2014) should be the 3d catcher; you could make a case that mark hamilton belongs ahead of adams at 1b, or that wong should leapfrog descalso at 2b, or that matt carpenter is likelier to see playing time in rf than andrew brown. all legitimate arguments, but they don’t alter the basic picture: entering 2014, the cards will likely have more holes to fill than resources with which to fill them. the core of the offense by then projects to be craig, freese, and 34-year-old matt holliday. they're good players, but they hardly constitute an mv3 nucleus.

of course, a lot can change in two years.

Star-divide

maybe matt adams will have established himself as a solid starter at 1b by then -- maybe he’ll tear it up at memphis this year and take over for berkman in 2013. or maybe zack cox will take charge at third base, with freese shifting across the diamond to replace berkman at 1b. perhaps carpenter (like craig before him) will move off 3b to become a right fielder, with craig shifting to 1b. either jay or descalso (or both) might evolve into a reliable .800 OPSer by 2014. i bet some of you are even secretly hoping that taveras pulls a pujols and jumps from class A straight to the majors as a sure-thing .400 woba hitter. maybe maybe maybe maybe. . . . . but probably not. while there’s a plausible chance that any of these lovely scenarios (except the last one) may come to pass, an equal or better chance exists that matt holliday will age more quickly than we’d like, or freese’s ankles will splinter, or allen craig's weaknesses will get exposed as a full-time player, rendering a thin offense even thinner by 2014.

this isn’t meant as a criticism of the cards’ decision-making this off-season; it’s just a reminder that a ton of work remains to be done, and fairly soon. what are the cards’ options? it seems as if the biggest needs are at catcher, short, and center field. freese, holliday, and craig account for three of the corner positions, and the fourth is covered if just one of adams, cox, carpenter, or taveras is able to stick; that seems like a reasonable bet. i’m willing to entrust 2b to descalso / wong beyond 2014. so we’re looking for up-the-middle players who can hit, and who will be available within the next couple of years. anybody out there who fits the profile?

bj upton is just about a perfect match. he’ll be a free agent after the 2012 season, heading into his age-28 year. he’s reliably a 3-win player and has the talent to surpass that. it will require upwards of $100 million to sign him, but the cards will have the money. one drawback is that upton bats right-handed -- and we’re adding him to a lineup whose presumed holdover anchors (holliday, craig, freese) are all righties.

curtis granderson becomes a free agent after the 2013 season, or sooner in the unlikely event the yankees decline their option on him after 2012. he’ll be 33 years old entering 2014 but appears to have quite a bit of good baseball left in him. he plays good defense in cf, bats left -- bingo.

brian mccann is scheduled to hit the FA market after the 2013 season at age 30. he’s a consistently productive left-handed hitting catcher; scarce commodity. would fit right in.

stephen drew reaches free agency after the 2013 season, and possibly sooner if the dbacks decline their option on him after this year. the cards have long liked this player; he will be 31 years old in 2014. is inconsistent but would still be the cards’ best-hitting ss since edgar renteria.

shane victorino becomes available as a free agent after this year, heading into his age-32 season. he got a late start on his career, but he’s been at a very high level for four years; plays cf, switch hits, is very durable.

adam jones was dangled in trade this winter and will be a free agent after the 2013 season, heading into his age-28 year. he hasn’t developed the way the orioles hoped, but he’s still young and has upside and could be an attractive buy for that reason.

grady sizemore will play 2012 on a one-year make-good deal, then hit the free-agent market again this fall at just 29 years of age. he was a consistent 5- or 6-win player not too long ago, before injuries slowed him down. he’s not likely to get back to that level again, but i can imagine him getting back to the 3 WAR level; he bats left and plays centerfield. could be a fit.

jhonny peralta will be a free agent after 2013, heading into his age-32 year. he has an inconsistent bat, and may not be able to play ss full-time by then. still worth paying attn to.

colby rasmus will be a free agent after the 2014 season, heading into his age 28 year . . . . .

beyond the free agent market, the cards also will have a golden opportunity to trade for an impact player within the next two years, dealing from their surplus of cost-controlled pitchers. i wouldn’t want shelby miller to be traded, but i’d be amenable to dealing almost anyone else (in exchange for the right player, of course) from a rotation stable that includes carlos martinez, tyrell jenkins, lance lynn, trevor rosenthal, and joe kelly. a package of one or two of those guys, plus maybe zack cox or matt adams or makiel cleto or jordan swagerty, should be able to bring back a pretty damn good player.

that exhausts my inventory of half-baked ideas. look forward to reading yours in the comments section.

a quick aside before i go -- i know there are a number of people in this community who have troves of photos they have taken of cardinal players. if anyone’s willing to share, pls contact me (vivaelbirdos AT yahoo); i may have need of some pixs for a project i’m working on.

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Good points

and good to see you here lb.

I’ve thought about the same things recently. It’s amazing how Albert leaving suddenly alters future perspectives. Bottom line is, without him we’re missing that sure thing down the road. I still believe Holliday will play at a high level (5-6 WAR) for the next three years but that’s probably me wishing. Albert was always a sure thing so this is new for us.

Another strong year by Wong in the minors would make me feel good about second. When was the last time we had production from that spot anyway? Grudzielanek? Womack? What should we hope for with Wong?

by paposse on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

2B

Answering my own question here. According to fangraphs we haven’t had a 3 WAR 2B since Grudz in 05. (3.4) Womack was good for 3.1 in that mythical MV3 year and Vina had 3.4 in 2001.

A lot of ugly numbers on that chart…

by paposse on Jan 5, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I would not have guess they totaled over 3. Makes me wish Punto was coming back as the every day guy.

And good ol’ Pete. He’ll always have that RBI double.

by paposse on Jan 5, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh never mind....

that counts at bats taken at SS and everywhere else those five guys played.

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by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

If we were gonna make that kind of comparison, shouldn’t we include everybody besides Vina and Grudz who also played at 2B their respective 3+ WAR years?

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by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Believe it or not

I think I’m right in saying the three-headed monster of Skip, Punto and Theriot was worth ~3 WAR last year, mainly due to Punto’s unlikely career year with the bat.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I started that fallacy accidentally

Fortunately that 3 fWAR was in around 1000 PA’s, and included defensive time at SS, 3B, CF, etc.

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by SleepyCA on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping for something similar to Grudz.

If we’re getting ~3.0 WAR from second base, I’ll be quite pleased. Anything additional to me is gravy.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

When you consider his age relative to league and performance

I’d say his upside looks better than that.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Wong very well could have a higher upside,

but I’m trying to temper my hopes given it was two hundred and some PAs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

live a little, bgh.

let your optimism run free

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

most days I don't want to

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

me neither, but then i get hungry

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

6-7 by my count...

Roughly, numbers 19, 23, 33, 41, 45, 73, and 100

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

does that include the pick we'll get when Jackson signs?

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

three of our own, two for pujols, one for dotel, one for jackson.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

who you got taking jackson?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know...

seems like he’d be perfect for the Red Sox or Yankees.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i've been thinking he'd end up with the yanks since we traded for him

but apparently they want no part of 5 years at $15/year

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet he doesn't get that

even with Boras as his agent.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

scary thing is...he may actually be worth it

he’s been worth 3+ WAR over the past few years, even with multiple “disruptions”

nad he’s only 28

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that his ceiling though?

3.5, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.5 = 12.5 war over 5 years. 4.5M/war = $56 million

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

probably right

but, theoretically, he is hitting his prime now

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

cool.

I thought we had 5 of the first 50.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

towel, please

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Another name to throw out there...

Miguel Montero. He’ll be a FA after 2012 and can likely be had for 5/70. In addition to being a year younger than Yadi, he’s a much better hitter with a LOT less mileage having caught 513 games in the last six years.

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by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, if he and Yadi are both FA

That’ll be a good year to be in the market for a catcher

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Napoli will be out there as well...

though I don’t really like him at age 32 as much as Montero and Molina.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if he maintains his offensive breakout

You have to assume he’s gonna be a 1B as a free agent (although we’ll be in the market for one of those too)

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't want...

not when a Berkman or a Carlos Pena is a available on a one year contract.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

montero is another good call

i overlooked him. i’d expect him to come in lower than 5/$70m - that’d be more than what victor martinez (a better player) got a couple years back.

by lboros on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

love an lb post

even more so when it covers a guilty pleasure (hypothetical FA hunting)

Really like Upton, Drew, and McCann targets. Granderson is appealing as well.

Other names I like:
Josh Hamilton
Andre Ethier
David Wright

I think Wright is most likely to be an FA, followed by Ethier (surely Tex will lock up Hamilton…) I wouldn’t mind Wright at 3B, Freese at 1B and Craig in RF. Very RH heavy, but not bad.

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jan 5, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

The thing with Wright is

he had a pretty bad year compared to his other years, and has been in something of a decline the last 3 years. If he has a bounce-back year in 2012, you can bet the Mets will pick up their option on him in 2013, and maybe sign him to a longer deal during that season. If he doesn’t bounce back, maybe they decline the deal (it’s for $16M, with a $1M buyout), and he’s available in 2013…but that would mean 4 years of declining WAR, and he’d be entering his age 30 season….not a good combo.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Wright's defense was pretty much agreed upon to kind of suck at 3B now.

Why not keep Freese at third and move Wright to first in that scenario?

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by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Brown is no longer in the organization

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

If we are talking 2014

then our bevy of 2011 draftees in the outfield should be under consideration. Larry had Brown in his depth chart but neglected Charlie Tilson.

by jjray on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Tilson will be what, 22?

Hard to count a guy as depth who has yet to play full season ball. Taveras is 22 (probably) too, but he’s at least got a pro track record.

by Pegasus on Jan 5, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a supposed depth chart

That will be Tilson’s fourth year in the org. I’d list him because he could very well reach AAA that year. I took the point of Larry’s post to be that the org is thin with position players after Beltran, Furcal, Berkman, Yadi leave (i.e., “biggest needs are at catcher, short, and center field”). Tilson is a CF’er. Jay is relatively young at 26 (will be 27 in March). At corner OF, Taveras will be AA in 2012 either to start or as an in season promotion. Would I like more depth? Yes but I like the players we have in the pipeline.

by jjray on Jan 5, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

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by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Frangraphs Minors Leaderboards

Pretty cool.

http://www.fangraphs.com/minorleaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=2,4&qual=y&type=0&season=2011&team=0&players=

Looking at AA offensive numbers makes me think I didn’t know Alex Castellanos well enough. .958 OPS, 104wRC, 419wOBA in 534 PA. Would have made a nice bat in the OF in 2014.

by paposse on Jan 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I liked him as a 4th outfielder type

But he was no great loss especially in exchange for a productive partial season from Rafael Furcal. The guy was old for a prospect and was hitting in a friendly ballpark.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ian Kinsler might make a good pick up (if he doesn't get extended)

Depending on how his injury history looks when he hits free agency.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

he would definitely help our DAR!

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by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And our standing with the JDL!

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome back lb!

Are you saying you’re the Matt Stairs of VEB?

way too old and slow to be trusted afield, but can pick up a few stray ABs now and again without hurting the team.

If so, your pinch hits are always appreciated.

We may have some holes, but I do think that we have a good amount of decent prospects to either plug those holes or to acquire such hole-pluggers. Currently, I am feeling good about Mo as a GM, and I trust his ability going forward, this changes quite often though.

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by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

More like Andruw Jones

Once an elite all-around player now content to sit back and put in some quality pinch hits for a great franchise.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Roger Freed

Anyone else remember this game: May 1st, 1979 — walk-off grand slam in bottom of 11th to make up 3 run deficit. WPA of 0.906 !!

Sad to see that he is deceased.

by Poop on Jan 5, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Freed- thanks for reminder

I mostly remember Freed from his 1977 season (.398 /.463/.627) which was pretty sweet for playing the Strat-o-matic Cardinals in 1978. Glory Days!

I didn’t realize how much career he’d already had.

Looking for cause of death now…

by baked mcbride on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

lboros,

professional pinchblogger

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by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

lboros = DB - Designated Blogger. . . .

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by akaitori on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This
Currently, I am feeling good about Mo as a GM, and I trust his ability going forward, this changes quite often though.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

as an old gezzer myself it is nice to see you LB

I would like the team to stay strong up the middle, and the only future major leaguer I see is Wong. It will be interesting to see what players are available in the draft over the next couple of years.

by nybirdfan on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

I really don't like all this 'old' talk.

lb’s not that much older than me, and I’m not old yet, dammit!

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Surprised you mentioned Steve Hill

I thought I was the only one that thought he had the makings to be a good major league hitter.

by ridgesee on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

He's so old though

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He is old Rui

and his ship sailed a few years back admist a series of injuries but I’ve always looked at Hill as a timely hitter, kind of a Matt Stairs type. I still would like to see him log in a few years as a bench player in Majors though.

by ridgesee on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

are you saying

that Steve Hill is lb?

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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be Rich Hill.....

who, I think, is also available; get ’em both and we can really be over the Hill…

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by The MooCow on Jan 5, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

signed a minor league deal with the red sox last week, iirc.

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

While this paints a bit of a rough picture for us on the position player side,

the organization is likely to be well armed in the rotation and bullpen through 2016 with two of the current starters (Wainwright, Garcia) and at least two of the arms in the high minors (Miller, Cleto, Lynn, Kelly, Swagerty) jumping into the rotation with the rest bolstering the bullpen.

This likely saves the team around $25M from the 2012 payroll (Subtract Carp, Westbrook, Lohse, McClellan = $34M; Add WW’s new contract, raise for Garcia = $9M), which is enough to go sign someone like BJ Upton (who I don’t think costs $100M unless he has a Matt Kemp type season this year) and possibly even another player (like Steven Drew) while keeping the total payroll at around $110M or so.

Barring a catastrophic rash of arm injuries (and believe me, I’m not ruling it out) our depth of pitching in the minors is a huge strength for the organization.

It’s pretty demonstrative that the build-from-within strategy employed since Mo took over has been a win-win for the organization: If they were able to sign Albert to the Ridiculous-Pujols-Contract, they’d have cheap talent on the way to bolster the roster and for trade bait. Failing to sign Albert now leaves a $25M hole in the payroll through which to fill the roster with younger, less-likely-to-decline talent, while we still have roster capable prospects to fill the holes and trade from depth for players that we could actually sign long term, like Matt Holliday.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

The real test is about to begin with the prospect pipeline

and our ability to keep it supplied with talent We lost our two top evaluation guys. I’m not saying that there aren’t others, we just don’t know how good they are yet.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW -- Our organization has never really lacked talent evaluation people, imo.

Our organization has lacked, at numerous times since Branch Rickey, front office people capable and willing to listen to those talent evaluation people.

I believe in Mo with respect to talent evaluation of high school and college players — they haven’t missed on too many and have more hits than misses. Therefore, while we’ll miss Luhnow, I believe that our organization is as good as any at the “next man in” philosophy when it comes to talent evaluation personnel.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll defer to you on that.

I’ve only really started following prospects in the last 5 years or so, and even then it was just peripherally. I’ve paid a lot more attention since i came here.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

When you don't pay talent evaluators and you don't value them as part of your organization

then your farm tends to suck. Much like it did for most of the 90’s.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Fourstick is right on the money with this. . .

and the crazy thing is that this assessment isn’t even really taking into account breakout players that we aren’t properly valuing yet, or the likes of a Martinez, Jenkins, Rosenthal moving quickly. As has also been noted elsewhere in this thread, there are a whole lot of high picks on the horizon as well. There have certainly been a few decisions (mostly on the margins) to quibble with the last couple of years, but it seems to me Mo has done an outstanding job positioning the team for the next couple of years while retaining optimal flexibility for 2014 and beyond.

I don’t follow any other teams nearly as closely as the Cardinals, but I would be surprised if very many teams have a better blend of certainty and flexibility going forward. Taking any team’s MV3-equivalent and projecting out 2+ years would almost by design implicate some concerns (aging-related decline, escalating salary, etc. . .). Barring some kind of structural change or a very unlucky run of injuries, we should be able to add two “core” type players in or before 2014 and not have to mortgage the future significantly to do so. We will also have roughly an additional $30M to spend when Berkman, Beltran and Furcal leave. With the pitching we could reasonably expect to have at that point we could really have something!

by Enigma35 on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The obligatory "Yes, but":

Call me crazy but I don’t see more than one of these guys making it as a starter:

or the likes of a Martinez, Jenkins, Rosenthal moving quickly.

Not to mention that I think we’re overvaluing Taveras, Adams, and Cox to a certain extent already. Of the “sure bets” I’d say will contribute at this point, I’d probably only put Wong and Cleto on that list. I think Cleto could be in the bullpen as early as this year and that Wong should be a contributor at 2B for at least a few seasons, even though I think his upside is pretty limited.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Taveras is a much surer thing than you think

Baseball Prospectus called his hit tool the best in the minor leagues. It’s pretty difficult envisioning him not being able to at least hit for average in the majors.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just have real trouble with projecting toolsy players like him

before we see what they can do against pitching above A ball.

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by fourstick on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think folks here are generally pretty sober in their assessment of Adams and Cox.

As for Taveras, I think he is a very intriguing prospect with the potential to be a superstar. The kid can hit.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

my sober assessment:

2017 MV3!!! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

by Pegasus on Jan 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Taveras

I live in Springfield and can’t wait to watch him play 20-30 times in a year or two. Here’s to a healthy 2012 for the kid.

by Enigma35 on Jan 5, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Whos to say they won't start him in Springfield this year?

After all, they threw him into the AFL which is approximately AA level play. He didn’t totally dive bomb (although he did refuse to take a walk). Springfield seems as likely a starting spot as any.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Level to start 2012

I think it is possible that he starts in Springfield. Probably depends somewhat on how he looks in the spring. I’d be thrilled if the club thought he was ready for that. However, given his age, it seems more likely that they would give him at least the ‘Cox treatment’ at PB. Say roughly a third of a season, and then promote him after he’s had success at that level.

They jumped Adams, but he was older and really needed to move fast so they could see what they had. Hope I’m wrong. Would love to seem Taveras for the majority/all of next year.

by Enigma35 on Jan 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Prospect projections

Wasn’t suggesting more than one of the above pitchers will make an impact. Certainly not in 2 years. Simply pointing out that a very optimistic scenario doesn’t account for any of them making it. Frankly, I think it isn’t unrealistic to assume one of them could be ready for at least bullpen duty by 2014, but they are far enough away that it is appropriate to be cautious in drawing that conclusion.

The best thing about hypothetically playing out the next few years is that we don’t need any of the above three pitcers to pan out, or all of Taveras, Adams and/or Cox to significantly contribute to end up in a good place. I personally believe Cox and Carpenter aren’t much of a drop off from Freeze, but even if I’m wrong on one of those projections, the notion that we only need one of the three (also counting Freeze) to work out to be covered at third is extremely comforting.

Also, I saw Swagerty pitch several times at the end of last year and I would be very surprised if he doesn’t end up surpassing Cleto (as early as next year) in terms of value. And I like Cleto alot.

Maybe it isn’t what you are trying to say, but it also seems pretty silly to state that Wong and Cleto are sure things but Miller isn’t? Of course no player is a “sure” thing, but Miller seems about as good as it gets in that regard.

by Enigma35 on Jan 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. The only question with Shelby Miller is whether he'll be a star.

He could be a mid-tier starting pitcher in the majors right now, IMO. (Of course, like any pitcher, he could get injured, but that’s a given for all of them).

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Miller's readiness

I think you are right about that, but I also believe he will benefit from a little more time before he hits the bright lights of the show. A half/full season at Memphis and he should be closer to what he can/hopefully will be from the go. Also avoids super2 issues if that wasn’t resolved in the new deal.

by Enigma35 on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not advocating for him to brought up now, only saying that he could be successful.

He still needs work on his changeup, IMO. He “guides” it and slows down his arm action when throwing it.

I also agree on the super 2 issue. I’m thinking he follows the same path as Matt Moore last year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

As the designated Matt Carpenter proponent,

I feel it is my duty to express concern that he is listed behind Zach Cox who he beat by .063 wOBA points when comparing their double A production.

More general question: I really do not understand why people think Zach Cox will be demonstrably better than Matt Carpenter in the majors. I have Cox projected as a comparable player but there’s a lot more projection involved there. Matt Carpenter is already pretty good.

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by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely...

and the sooner the better, before he completely fails.

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by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

AZ, i like carpenter too

but i’ve got cox ahead of him for two reasons. #1 is that big-league contract that bgh mentioned below -- the org has a big investment in cox, and that’s the tie-breaker in what looks (for the moment) like a fairly even competition.

the second reason is that, imho, cox has more upside. carpenter is what he is -- there’s plenty of value, but not a lot of growth potential. contrast w/ cox, who performed well against double A competition in his first year as a pro, at age 22. by age 24 he may look a lot better than he does today.

but it’s a close call, and you might be right that carpenter proves to be the better player in the end.

by lboros on Jan 5, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well aren't they both on the 40 man roster now?

So that voids out that #1. If Carpenter increases his power to an ISO over .200 he would be absolute stud with his walk rate.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

The upside argument is valid and subjective.

The only point about that w/r/t/ Cox is that I often hear a lot of people (not necessarily you) say that he will hit for more power. I think this is ignorant of history though. By all accounts, he significantly changed his swing in college to cut down on strikeouts. As a result, he saw a decreased power output. He basically traded batting average for some of his power in college. That may make him viable long term (he had porous plate coverage with his old swing) but I think iy has limited his upside.

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by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

So he turned himself into Michael Young, basically,

although without the talent to achieve the Young’s contact rate at the MLB level?

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure that I'd peg him for any .389 wOBA seasons

but I don’t hate the Young comparison.

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by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Michael Young comparison is an apt one (I think I've made it before, actually)

http://www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=543059 (Cox)

http://www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=276545 (Young)

The high LD%, low IF%, and similar walk rates are there.

In any event, I am high on Cox (ba-dump ching). I think we’ve gotten to the point where the scouting community underrates, because it has a hard time recognizing, elite hitters who don’t have a lot of power or walk a lot (though I think Cox will improve his walk rate). Does not having a lot of power or walking a lot lower a player’s ceiling? Sure. I’m betting Cox ends up being a .300+ hitter, and even if he only hits 10-15 homers and walks 8%, that’s still a valuable guy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

...David Freese?

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Freese has more power and strikes out more than Cox.

I actually think Freese’s regular season home run totals so far are a bit anomalous.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This

The Kenny Oberkfells of the world (the original Mr. 4 0 2 0) are the new market inefficiency.

Oberkfell isn’t really the best example of that, as his walk rate , I just wanted an opportunity to work that nickname into the blog.

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+1 for the Oberkfell reference

as an old guy myself….;)

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by HockeyHippie on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he can hit for that high an average in the big leagues

but I think he profiles as a doubles hitter that doesn’t take a lot of walks. I don’t think it’s out of the question for him to have a 40 double season in the big leagues if he got 600 PA’s at his ceiling.

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by fourstick on Jan 6, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

For the Walrus?

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by akaitori on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Cox is baitin'

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

because endorphins are awesome.

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by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

endorphins make you happy

and happy people don’t just kill their husbands…

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by pattimagee on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it the hype?

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by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it has to do with Cox being a first-round draft pick who signed a big-league contract.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

need to see it to believe it

i think there is something to the “swing change” that occurred after his first year of college

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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Cox do it at a younger age though?

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Carp...

had the big AA breakout year when he was 24.

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by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Even correcting for age, Matt Carpenter had a drastically better season.

Two years of age does not make up for a .413 versus .350 wOBA.

(also, I can see I’m spelling his name wrong again. I have a chronic problem remembering it is Zack with a k.)

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by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Except, of course

Carpenter had an unsustainable .377 BABIP during his year in AA, whereas Cox .338 BABIP. I’m not saying the difference isn’t meaningful, but it isn’t anywhere close to what those wOBA values say it is.

by Paper Lions on Jan 7, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get this either.

Is it because he makes better contact? Or because he was a higher pick in the draft? I’m going to bet big on the latter, because there’s still a number of people around here who think Pete Kozma is still a legit 1st round talent.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Peter Kozma is a terrible player of baseball

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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What does "around here" mean?

‘Cause I haven’t seen anyone on VEB touting him…ever. And that’s 3 years+ of reading here.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, they are around.

Trust me.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Um....okay....

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I WIN!

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No competition!! My compliments. . . .

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by akaitori on Jan 5, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Cox is younger and has a higher scouting base

But I agree. Cox should be trade bait.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

....and frosted tips

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Any hope a 2012 draftee will be able to man a position in 2014?

Seems like Wong could compete for a spot in 2013i f he really plays well this year in AA…

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by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Should, he completely dominated Quad Cities last year. Don't see why they wouldn't move him up.

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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Jump to Springfield. . . . ?

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by akaitori on Jan 5, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually almost said this, but I remember hearing that the jump from A-AA is pretty great

So I wouldn’t count on them trying that at this stage.

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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone seen the World Series Budweiser pint glasses

yet? I bought them in 2006 but haven’t seen them online yet and it is January.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

the Columbia Mall had a stand with some 2011 pint-sized steins.

they were pretty cool and official-looking. They were going to be my default christmas present, but they sold out very quickly, and I haven’t seen them since.

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steins is the wrong word

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

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by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure the jeff city hyvee

still has a bunch of that stuff..

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by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Here is something for ya.

Linky!

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by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

However, I’m looking for the clear glass pint glasses with the WS logo on them made by Budweiser. Its the kind you’d find in a bar.

They have made them for every World Series for atleast the last 10 years. My grandfather made me this great cherry display case for them in 06 and I was hoping to take a crack at it this year.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the straight sided 16oz-or-so glasses, right?

I’m almost certain I can get you at least a few of those..

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by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

now I'm wondering what exactly they are

I’ll take a stop by after work and take a picture & post it here. whatever they are, they haven’t been selling so I could buy and ship if anyone wants one. assuming they’re desirable, of course.

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by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

please do

I’d be interested.

Amazon has a couple options here and here, but they’re not Budweiser branded.

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by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

they could be that first set

guess we’ll see..

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by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

in-bev'd.

they were, indeed, the first set. plenty of the pint-sized steins in that size still left.

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by cschepers on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

#CardinalNationProblems

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by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What about Alex Avila?

Since we are speculating, he will be through his arbitration years after 2014. He is a catcher who bats left, With a WAR of 5.5 according to fangraphs. Would he be a target of interest?

by JWO on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

those are always a ToI

I hadn’t even thought of him, yet. probs won’t be cheap though.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

and in swoops guay with the kick to the groin

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Doh!

Well…it was a thought.

by JWO on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, that's possible

I saw he played in 2009, but it was only part of the season. He might still be a good pickup though.

by JWO on Jan 5, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

How about we have an amazing draft this year

With our 6 or however many picks we have in the first 2 rounds

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm guessing 50/50

Mostly because we pick so late in the first round, which is projecting to be pitcher heavy up top.

My guess? We’ll grab a couple of position players (both college, due to signability issues: with this many picks this early we can’t spend a lot of money on just a few players) and a risky HS pitcher early, and then take a couple of polished college arms and a college position player late.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The hard draft cap hits this year though, right?

The signability issues of the past should be diminished, correct?

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by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes....

but there’s also a cap on what you can spend on the draft each year. Which means that if you stockpile picks in the top 100 and then draft over slot on most of them (like the Rays), you won’t have the money available to sign them all.

It’s a blatant attempt to rid the world of Scott Boras’ types representing 18 year old kids. And it won’t work. But it really hamstrings the teams that lose a lot of free agents in a given year, or the teams like Tampa, who sign relievers and veterans for a year and then let them walk and collect the compensation picks.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Examples
  • We’ll take Wallace/Wong/Cox types early, along with someone like Tyrell Jenkins
  • We’ll focus more on players like Lance Lynn, Mitchell Boggs, Chris Perez with the last three picks in the top 100.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Double Agreed.

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by pattimagee on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

triple agreed

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

remember how BAD our rotation was in 07?

ugh

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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a McGwire/Kile/Edmonds/Rolen/Holliday type to be traded for?

If so, who do folks foresee him being?

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

What position do we even have to fill?

Catcher is really the only one if we don’t resign Molina

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking after the 2013 season or at the 2014 trade deadline.

SS, CF, 1B/RF, and C all seem possible.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Jackson, but I also liked Placido Polanco.

And Rolen was an upgrade over Polanco. I guess I’m thinking of a truly elite player that could be acquired.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure where this faith in Ryan Jackson comes from

He’s a good, solid (but not great) defensive short stop and his hitting was only average for his league and inflated in exactly the way that you would expect Springfield to inflate batting numbers, i.e. an uncharacteristic power increase. Daniel Descalso had a much better year at Springfield with a similar power boost and we see how that looks now. Jackson is, of course, a better defender but I would expect he falls into a similar utility type role.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I have!

o/

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and what's your assessment?

\o

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not as rangy as Boog was, but it's still well above average

Like PH said, great reactions, good hands, quick release

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I can live with that

as long as he’s not just a black hole with a bat.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He reminds me of Clint Barmes.

I will say that I haven’t been overly impressed with his arm strength on the few throws I’ve seen.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I have.

I think I might have talked a little about this on here before. From what I saw, he had quick reactions and good hands but wasn’t super rangy and missed a couple groundballs up the middle that, say, Boog would have got to.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I have a hard time comparing anybody to Boog.

Boog’s a freak of nature as most elite defensive SS’s are.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet that is who I most frequently hear Ryan compared

And I don’t think he’s on that level.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So instead of being +15 he's +7-10 at SS

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a useful SS

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I made that remark a little higher up.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I could

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess...

I just know that the bar for Major league shortstop defense is set awfully high and people might be disappointed in what these range metrics have to say about Ryan Jackson.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If I had to peg a number on it, I'd call him a +5 defensder at short

Which is still a considerable amount of defensive prowess.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As for the hitting

Yeah, there’s a lot of movement at the plate but the swing itself looks fine so I don’t worry about it too much. It’s a good, line drive generating kind of swing and not slappy like you see from a lot of defense-first shortstops. But the line drives don’t carry much so it’s more like singles and some doubles if they find the right gap.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like he could be an Adrus-lite kind of player

Hopefully hit for a good enough average, take some walks, not worry too much about power at all, and play good defense at SS. Maybe a touch more power than Andrus (who seems to never have really had any, while Jackson has at least some) and maybe not as good defense but still good?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with your Andrus Lite comment.

Now we just need to think of a misogynistic ad campaign to promote our brew.

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by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Joey Votto?

I can’t see the Reds trading him in the division, but maybe a 2013 deadline deal.

David Wright?

by OCCardsFan on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Albert with the Angels picking up the devil's share of the bloated salary. . . .

. . . "It just didn’t work out. . . . "

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by akaitori on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

you know, that thought has also crossed my mind a time or two. I can’t imagine it would ever really happen as I think too many bridges have been burned but…

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda think Theo is biding his time until 2013 when Votto hits free agency

and then is gonna go big to sign him.

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by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet Votto gets super paid

By that time San Fran will be rid of all their bad contracts

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He should get super paid.

It just won’t be Cinci doing it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

well, he makes $19 mil in 2013 according to Cot's

so I’m sure he’s going to want a significant bump to that, plus the years.

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by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what I mean.

I can’t imagine Cinci being able to compete with that kind of contract increase.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Alex Gordon, perhaps?

if he keeps this up, he’s going to price himself out of KC. we have that position filled already, though. i’m still holding out hope for McCutchen.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Jan 5, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear he's the truth.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I likes McCutchen a lot.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Gordon's year was a fluke. Though, honestly, I am completely biased because I hate Alex Gordon.

Everyone here (Meaning Lincoln, not VEB) holds him as a god because he reached the major leagues, and it has clearly gone to his head. Though this is completely not based on his actual stats, which are actually decently impressive. I would love to add McCutchen

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, this is ridiculous

I know a few royals fans and they all hated him until last year. Even though he was a decent player before his breakout.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say it was by any means sane, I readily recognize how crazy my hate of him is.

Oh I meant to delete the fluke part, I talked myself out of it later in the post with the “not based on actual stats” part but I forgot. I mean to say that I hope that he doesn’t return to that level of production, as terrible as it sounds.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I would gladly trade for him tomorrow

as long as Dayton Moore also thinks it was a fluke and will give him up for 2 C prospects.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

There's going to be less of those with the second wild card, but here goes:

Adam Jones
Brett Anderson
David Wright
Joe Mauer
Gavin Floyd
Michael Pineda
Felix Hernandez
Chris Young
Miguel Montero
Clay Kershaw
Tim Lincecum

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Joey Votto and Brian McCann

are the two that pop in my mind when I think of players with this type of impact potential. I don’t think Cincy is all that interested in paying Votto the ridiculous price he’s going to require, but they probably don’t want to have him killing them for the next decade in the division either.

Atlanta will go ball to the wall to extend McCann, and if they can’t, he’ll be on the block at some point in the next year I would imagine.

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by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Votto

is the one I keep coming back too. But he’s going to be very expensive and when I read lots of folks saying we’ve got so many options at 1B (I’m not sold on Adams or Hamilton yet), I wonder if I’m letting myself fixate too much on replacing a loss at 1B with someone who (currently) plays 1B. As has been pointed out, if we get/promote someone else to play 3B or RF, then Freese and/or Craig are available.

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We'd never be able to trade for him...

but I think he’s a potential free agent target in two years when he’s on the market. We’ll know what we have with Adams and Allen Craig at that point to make an informed decision.

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by fourstick on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to lboros write an occasional article here

Someone remind me to send photos tonight

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See

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Heh!
maybe maybe maybe maybe. . . . . but probably not.

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by pattimagee on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

larry, if she doesn't pop in and see your request,

you need to get a hold of d-dee. She has thousands of pics from the last couple of seasons. Also, mom up usually has some that she has shared with us in the past.

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by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

i sent him an email, maybe he'll find something he needs

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by d-dee on Jan 5, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me throw another name out there

Jacoby Ellsbury. Unless I’m way wrong, he finishes his last arbitration year in 2013. He plays center and hits left. He will be 31 and still should have five good years in him. He would also be massively expensive. Thoughts?

by JWO on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Well, I wonder how his power would hold up in Busch

and how much playing center in Busch would affect his defensive value. And of course, you have to take a wait and see approach to determine just how aberrational his ridiculous 2011 was.

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by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Tougher CF in Boston, actually

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

just not sure why he would leave the Sox if he was still playing at a high level

can’t think of any stars, offhand, who have left NY/BOS recently to play elsewhere while still at a high level except Johnny Damon, who… signed with the Yankees.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Brett Gardner

if we’re pirating the AL East. And I see no reason why he wouldn’t be available.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Cubs trade Zambrano to Marlins for Volstad.

Cubs are picking up $15M of his money this year.

That’s… pretty not-terrible, actually. Good PR for Theo, Ltd.

by Pegasus on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I can think of someone

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

dude looks like a shar-pei

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wish I had thought of this.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I set that one up on a tee.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well done, sir

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel inferior for not coming up with this....

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That contract is so bad

it was worth saying it twice!

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He should call up Anthopoulos for ideas

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And if we're lucky

Zambrano will lose his shit and take a bat to the atrocity that is beyond the centerfield wall

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

They should install a Gatorade fountain in that thing

That would make this scenario perfect.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

with alternating flavors.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody else here probably feels this way, but I, for one, hope he rebounds

Think about how many gray hairs he’s gained while playing in Chicago. And it’s not like he’s a Theriot, he has some good stuff. I’d love to see him live up to his full potential now that he’s not a Cub and help restore baseball in Miami.

by hr on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Nolasco

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I’d say they’re looking pretty favorable in the NL East right now. Solid rotation, capable offensively, and if Hanley returns to form they have a shot at the Phillies, I would think.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes triples that all by himself

I think that Hanley’s bat will bounce back with Reyes being on base in front of him and Stanton hitting behind him. Infante/Reyes might be the best defensive middle infield in baseball next year. I think that Sanchez and Morrison are good players. The one issue I think they have is whether Brian Peterson can be a starter in CF; if he can’t, they have a real hole to fix there. Otherwise they look to be set:

Reyes 6
Morrison 7
Hanley 5
Stanton 9
Sanchez 3
Buck 2
Infante 4
Peterson 8
Pitcher

Rotation of Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Beurhle, Zambrano.

Solid bullpen + Heath Bell.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hanley will be interesting.

Sort of hard, with the weight gain and all, to think that his performance wasn’t in large part related to him not caring much, on top of the shoulder problems. And I say that as somebody who HATES when players are accused of being lazy/disinterested. We’ll see if the Reyes signing is a kick in the butt, or not.

by Pegasus on Jan 5, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be interested to see whether Ozzie puts them both at the top of the lineup 1-2

I’d probably do it, considering that Morrison/Sanchez are very good options for #3 hitters and Stanton is a great #4 hitter. Getting their speed and power at the top of the lineup would really wreak some havoc on opposing defenses.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

if you can keep that rotation healthy, they're gonna be pretty solid.

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all.

That’s a good team. Maybe a very good team if Hanley can Hanley again.

by Pegasus on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly I gotta think

that Zambrano and Ozzie will go at it at least once.

by sdrone on Jan 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

not that there's anything wrong with that

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Until Zambrano puts up a sub 3.00 ERA. . .

in that Death Valley of a ballpark. Good deal by the Marlins IMHO.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Poll:

Number of days into Spring Training before Zambrano attacks Ozzie Guillen with a baseball bat:

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 0 — He’ll kill him with a Gatorade cooler before using the bat.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 5, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This has me thinking: could Holliday be moved to first base before the end of his contract?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

it certianly should be a possiblity

depending on the landscape of talent we would have in his later years.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was kind of wondering why this hasn't been talked about more in the medium/long term discussions

Since Craig and Freese are relatively young still.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he started out as a 3B

and was ryan braun-esque, defensively.

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Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't seem like the infielder type.

But more importanlty, seems like we have more 1B types than LF types – especially Freese (if Cox plays 3B) and Adams.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ Upton

Don’t I remember him dogging a shot in the gap within the last few years? Lapse or common practice?

I love his ability, but don’t want another Juan ’ceon player/fan venom.

by openside on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Oh man I really wanna make a joke but I don't want the robot to ban me again

I WILL POST THIS INSTEAD

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

when did he ban you?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he warned me for making casual racist jokes

And then banned me because he and Fritz got drunk

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel your pain.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

how many times is it now?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I've lost track.

The robot has the official count. All I know, is that I’m in second place for warnings.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

lawlz

at least he’s not dropped the big hammer on you yet

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just his plaything.

Link for enlarged screen cap.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone rocketed into first recently.

I’m not sure you’d make top 10 in flags. Certainly not if you don’t the ones where I’m screwing with you.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The one's where you are screwing with me

account for about 95%, I would think. I think I’ve only gotten one, possibly 2 true warnings.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

VAN GUNDY!

he is a walking slapstick punchline.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm lol'ing all over the place

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Was that the time he got into a fight with Longoria?

I tend to assume that sort of thing is an isolated incident, but I do not know for sure. The defensive metrics seem to think he does a good job overall though.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe so

I like him a lot, I just don’t watch enough Rays baseball to say one way or another.

by openside on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he had one highly publicized instance where he jogged after a ball

and I think Maddon pulled him for it. I don’t know if it is a common thing though.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing back Colby would be clever

And while most GMs wouldn’t, Moz was going to extend him until Tony demanded him out. That said he’ll either blossom and be expensive, or forever be a good not great player who is hated for not being excellent with his talent and hype. I would love signing Upton myself

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm all for signing Upton, just wouldn't want to trade for him.

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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So I watched an episode of Futurama last night for the first time in about 4 years

And it was the episode where azru gets his current avatar from, I started freaking out and my bro and sis were all WTF and I was all, OMG and they were all, Weirdo, and then I was all, IDGAFTIA.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

I think i just stepped in a worm hole and went back to the early 2000s

you guys are seeing this right?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost stepped into a wormhole yesterday on my way home, it led underground and smelled really bad for some reason.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

you must have gone to the dimension of the mole people

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That explains why I heard Theriot's voice....

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm so so happy snakebro is back, you guys

i was really worried about him for a while

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Psh, he's just a worse Dadboner

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

"worse"

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sick and tired of your DadBoner bashing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

there it is.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sick of this. Sick of everything.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

There's No Place Like The Neighborhood, to Get Blackout Drunk For A Holiday Celebraish

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

DadBoner is one of those things that is okay on its own

But if people you frequently interact with also know what it is, then it’s awesome

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

like sex?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't be such a grossout, you classless sow

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

...

You are all weirdos.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So the sbnation android app is very nice

Bit it is a little buggy. Sometimes i want to create a new comment but it ends up as a reply (reverse reply fail?). Also it crashes every few days.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 2:09 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Agreed.

Also to get the full Gif’y goodness you have to view the page from a browser.

by openside on Jan 5, 2012 2:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Good post

I’m pretty sure Andrew Brown got claimed by the Rockies a few months ago

Beltran please

by Kyle1016 on Jan 5, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Just plug in Aaron Luna or Matt Carpenter

at least that’s what I was told when I posted this same thing six hours ago

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh snap, scoot's throwing down!

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

nah, just joking

no harm meant

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dodgems allegedly nearing deal with Mike MacDougal

He’s an ex-cardinal, therefore this counts as news.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Some people beleive in the existence of Mike MacDougal, but I remain skeptical.

Sounds like something those folks in California would make up.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

goddamn wishy washy lefty democrat liberal communist homosexuals

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure you're not actually American?

You know us so well!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Mac the Ninth?

More like something a German would dream up…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Announced...
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi Close
#Dodgers announce one-year with reliever Mike MacDougal. It includes a club sandwich for 2013.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Marbled rye

or 9-grain? Toasted or not?

Don’t let ’em screw you out of your share of bacon!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It included a personal sandwiches clause

They wanted to show MacDougal that they respected him and they wanted him to be an integral part of the club.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cardinal Trivia

Which individual who played for the Cardinals during the 1980s achieved baseball fame earlier by being the first player in history to hit home runs in each of his first two World Series at bats?
Bonus question: Which person with current Cardinal ties was the trivia answer backing up when the trivia answer began his major league career ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

This would be

A. Gene Tenace
B. Dave Duncan

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Bing Bing Bing

Well done

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Only other player to do it?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Andruw Jones

homered in his first two World Series at bats in 1996. Jones was 19 at the time – becoming the youngest player to homer in the WS.
Andruw Jones – Over the 9 year period from 1998 to 2006 averaged 6.1 bWAR but has TOTALED 0.5 bWAR in the four seasons since 2008.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you mean 3 seasons since 2008

unless you’re a time traveler.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe, you're including 2008?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

2008 -2.3
2009 0.8
2010 1.1
2011 0.9

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

oh my, 2008

it’s REALLY hard to be that bad.

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

How come automatic dispensers are so prevalent in bathrooms nowadays

They add absolutely zero convenience. Seems like technology for it’s own sake.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

probably to prevent germ transfer

if you don’t have to put your hands on anything to operate it, you’re at less risk of spreading/acquiring germs

by Robth on Jan 5, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

that's always seemed ass-backward

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Some bathrooms have those metal things at the bottom of the door so you can open with your foot

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone seen the urinals with foot pedals to flush?

Some of the buildings at UIUC have them

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bro you just gotta ninja kick that shit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

our building has a "green" urinal

that has no water flow. Nastiest thing I’ve ever seen. Smells like you are walking into an outhouse and the damn thing backs up with some kind of oil and urine whenever the filter gets stopped up. Whoever thought of these things should be shot.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

most standard urinals are a gallon per flush

newer or remodeled wal marts have new urinals that are something like a pint per flush, and they all smell like piss. Might as well put some Wrigley Field troughs in there.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why don't they just use double swinging doors?

(I’m sure they are probably more expensive, so there’s my answer).

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

have you never seen Three's Company?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

keep your paper towels you used to dry your hands

if there is no trashcan by the door just throw them on the floor.

OR

stand there awkwardly until someone else comes in

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If they aren't courteous enough to put a trash can next to the door

just drop the paper towel right by the door when you get out. Keep this in mind if you ever want to invite me to your house.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to know who has a bathroom so big

that the trashcan in said bathroom isn’t close to the door by default

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Nickelback

but seriously, it’s not uncommon for the trash can to be 20 feet away in public restrooms.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate that i get this reference

stupid ex-girlfriend and her stupid taste in “music”

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

it came on the jukebox at the restaurant over my lunch break

only reason it popped into my head.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Do what my wife does

and grab a paper towel (assuming they haven’t all been replaced with the

free bacon dispensers), and use that to open the door, then throw it away (again, assuming trash can is near door).

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Pegacorn wing dispenser?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are pegacorns that small?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Big dispenser

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damnit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

my old job had automatic toilets

but manual sinks. That always seemed very backwards to me.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

/Andy Rooney

Director of Decision Sciences
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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting Johns Hopkins study

here about how hands-free faucets actually have more germs than standard taps.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

Actually, most public faucets, hands-free or not, are not hot enough, imo. I’m sure it’s because the owners of the facilities the washrooms are located in do not want a burning incident turning into a lawsuit.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've used lots of them that are

extremely hot. You need to hang out in a better class of public restroom!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

the automated paper towl dispensers are the worst

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Because modern people are ridiculous germophobes

Who think they’re going to come down with malaria from touching a surface in a bathroom.

/mini-rant

by mojowo11 on Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

whenever VEB stops talking for a few minutes

i always think that every one is taken aback by some shocking news / announcement of some sort. Then i check the news and MLBTR and realise that its just a slow day.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

its huge. game changer.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TWSS

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

damn, beat me to it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

o_o

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

500

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

254 Million

Over 10 years. But only with respect and a personal services contract

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't stop myself from laughing at this, though I tried. How I did try.

Rec, sir.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgRo9NYXjg

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you have wings for Thirstday? Ha!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! Just like Family Circus!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

confirmation

fuck albert pujols

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh...

It would be one thing he left for near equal money or less, but the Cardinals offer just wasn’t really competitive.

by bailorg on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

if it really was 10/220

then it was only ~8% less.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the 30 million deferred beyond the 10 years

that makes the offer uncompetitive, especially considering the Angels’ offer contains about 25 million in performance incentives and no deferments.

by bailorg on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, from the Cardinals side of things....

They already owe him, I believe, $1.2 million annually between 2020-2029 in deferred money.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, there are deferments

he doesn’t reach “full salary” for several years
he reaches year 10 5M in the hole
that is deferred money

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck you

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Pujols’ average salary matches that of Philadelphia pitcher Cliff Lee for the third highest among current players behind Rodriguez and Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard ($25 million).

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

How are those A-Rod and Howard contracts working out

If there’s one that’s clear, it’s that you should only give megadeals to pitchers!

by mojowo11 on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Ben Sheets!

I wanted to make a Barry Ziti comment but I liked this one more

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 5, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I found this nugget interesting:
Los Angeles’ offer to Pujols surpassed St. Louis’ offer by more than $40 million.

Are they reporting that the Cards offer was less than $200MM?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

well, they're talking about 240 million in cash, right?

I’m presuming that all of the non-cash stuff has cash values attached to it that would add up to the 254 reported.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Non-guaranteed money does not count towards the luxury tax, so I don't know why that would be the comparison.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

beats me then.

it’s probably as WMT says, the deferred money drew down the total offered.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to say. But, because of the deferred money in the Cards' offer, which gets discounted

when such contracts are valued by MLB and the MLBPA, the Cards’ offer may very well have been less than $200MM.

For example, according to MLB, Holliday’s contract was a 7yr/$113.5MM deal.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I wondered how ESPN was valuing the deals. The article isn't very clear.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Buster Olney

tweets the MLBPA’s valuation of the Pujols contract:

The union has calculated value of Pujols’s contract as: It’s worth $246,841,811. $240m,+present-day value of his personal services deal.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a really strange number

I can’t figure out what the fuck interest rate they would be using. Either ~2.5% to bring it back to 2012 or ~7.5% to bring it back to 2021 and tack it on to the 30M year. Neither one really makes much sense given how oddball the numbers are.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Non-serious answer: The SENSUAL one. Ooh la la!

Slightly more serious answer: the Medieval-Time-lookin’ one.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Which one?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

There was a Medieval Times in Dallas, where I went to college. I always told myself I would go there but I never did.

I guess sometimes you just don’t appreciate what you have.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You know how I know you're gay?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

the rainbow avatar?

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Ka or Zumanity

They will be far better than any of those others.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The crossover Cirque shows (Chris Angel, Elvis, Beatles) are not as good.

Jabawockeez are dancers from MTV’s ABDC show (good show). Just go to Medieval Times in Chicago sometime. And just say no to ventriloquists.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

when I had access to cable

I loved that show.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 5, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Skip criss angel

I have heard good things about jabbawockeez.

The jousting thing looks fun. Zumanity too but manly for the adult themes

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Callis on Shelby Miller
Jim Callis @jimcallisBA Close
Could see mid-2012. @r0nito: Miller ETA? #Cardinals

That soon means 2 injured starters, right?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is called up and installed in the bullpen if he pitches well for Memphis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

My anecdote about Matt Adams:

Last season, I got an assignment from a client to shoot the Friday Night Fireworks at Hammons Field in Springfield. I wasn’t attending the game, so I rolled up in the last third of the game, found a good spot outside the park, and set up my equipment. I had no way of following the game at that point, but I knew we had a comfortable lead heading into the bottom of the eighth. So, despite not knowing what was going on, I heard Adams’ name called over the public address system. I thought to myself, “I bet he puts another one on top of the training center.” Sure enough, a minute or two later, I hear a crack, the low rumble of the crowd swell to a roar, and a siren sound within the stadium. Sure enough, Patch came through again.

Kind of hard to describe, but kind of a cool baseball experience. Plus the photos came out rather well, too:

@aaronjscott

by musialsuspects on Jan 5, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

I can't remember off-hand,

but I think that was a three-second exposure. It has to be a semi-longish exposure in order to get nice streaks of light.

@aaronjscott

by musialsuspects on Jan 5, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved the photo and your handle

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

that's awesome!

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

A 2012 Post

by lboros, D.D.U. and H.B.E.**

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

thanks, larry! …. /sheds sentimental tear

(**) Designated DanUp and Head Blogger Emeritus

"The dog! The dog! He's at it again!"

by AustinBOB on Jan 5, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

SWEET!!
Your request for “Pokepark Wii Pikachu’s adventure” has been filled and will be held for you at our McClay Branch through Tuesday Jan 10 2012 .

I love the St. Charles Library.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

when i went without cable for awhile

i completely exhausted their supply of movies

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I did that, as well, about 5 years ago.

They had most of the AFI top 100 movies and I was surprised how quickly they got some of the newer movies. Sometimes within a few months of them coming out on video.

I’m glad all my late fees help they buy good stuff.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The WS trophy will be in the loop Saturday

I plan getting my picture taken with it

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for posting. Doesn't look as bad as some other sports games' soundtracks

But I’m still glad I can use the music that’s on my PS3 instead. Can’t believe a the dude in the comments is complaining about no Limp Bizkit or 311

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually only like 2 or 3 songs on it

which is less than usual. i’m happy that there’s the option of a custom soundtrack, because that’s gonna be the way to go.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 5, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I'm just gonna turn off all of those tracks, I think I kept one or two from the last two years.

The greatest sports game soundtrack remains MVP Baseball 2005. That was just an amazing game all around.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading through the track list I can still remember how most of those songs go.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i liked just about every song from the 04 & 05 soundtracks, especially 05

EA knew what kind of songs to put on those games. the madden soundtracks keep getting worse as the years pass.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't bought a Madden game in a while, but the soundtracks for NBA 2K11

and 2K12 are both terrible, increasingly so.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i wonder what the target age/demographic is for madden

it could just be that you are aging further from their target / their target has shifted and therefore the songs aren’t as appealing to you as others.

from your experience, you liked the soundtracks from when you were what, 13? 14? I wonder how 13 & 14 year olds feel about today’s soundtrack

by all4tookie on Jan 5, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 17 and a bunch of my friends also hate the soundtrack for 2K12, so there's that.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and i hate how much i use the word basically

it doesnt mean anything. 2012 resolution starting now

by all4tookie on Jan 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i think that's a part of it

because the songs that they had on the madden games were heavily edited (drug references, cuss words, etc)

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK

I got sick of those songs pretty quickly. I preferred the songs in the 07 mod patch

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that this isn't a Grooveshark link

So I did something useful.

There are two songs I didn’t find in quick searching. Also, I didn’t actually play them through. I’m not that useful.

by mojowo11 on Jan 5, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I always hope I get the airplane seat next to the cute girl

But I always end up with the obese man and his elderly mother and behind the loud French-speaking family with crying children that seem to be on the brink of collective emotional breakdown.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I sat next to the cute girl once

Of course I watched deadwood with captions on during the flight. She pretty much ran off the plane.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm rec'in the hell outta this one.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I sat across from the cute girl once

on a trans-Pacific flight from LA to Sydney. We had a section pretty much to ourselves, and the seats actually faced each other. Problem: she was early 20’s and single, I was 41, married, and a father, heading to my step-father’s wedding, and would be meeting up with my own family in Hawaii, on the way back from Australia, a couple of days later. 12+ hours on a plane, I usually have no problems falling asleep, but this time I couldn’t get comfortable, and stayed awake the whole time. I engaged in very little convo with her, to try to keep it normal for myself, but I was a wreck when we touched down.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I've only flown a few times, and when I was younger

Hoping to get the cute girl on my flight to Europe this semester

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes you're the windshield

Last Xmas i sat next to the cute girl. She slept in my bed that night. No action cuz her boyfriend back home wasn’t cool with it, but plenty of nudity. I’LL TAKE IT. She even texted to see if i was visiting Houston again this year. Sadly, I wasn’t. Looking forward to the holiday season already.

Remember, you almost never get a pitch to hit, but when you do, you just gotta put your best swing on it. I think that’s my new life motto.

Rip it up and start again

by good cut good cut on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

and a loy nomination for you.

Welcome back.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

don't you mean stanofstan?

or maybe berkofstan

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Berkmanofstan?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Stan: No, I am your father.

Berk: No. No. That’s not true. That’s impossible…

Stan: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

Berk: No! No!

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

2012 AD

After Dunc

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

well put

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Still waiting on announcement of 2011 winner.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

as soon as dan fixes the damn search function.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is oddly specific

All I’ve learned is that I should turn caption off when I watch Deadwood on the flight

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The imdb description of Before Sunrise:
A young man and woman meet on a train in plane to Europe, and wind up spending one romantic evening together in Vienna. Unfortunately, both know that this will probably be their only night together.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And it works because I'll be in Vienna!

But I’m flying with other students who not only will be living with me there, but also attend the same school as me when I get back. So I will have to get creative.

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Love that movie

and the sequel’s not too bad, either.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Best trip of my life

Was coming back from Hawaii with my family. I was 16 at the time. My mom worked for the airline and we had one first class ticket that I ended up getting. Even though I was in first class the middle row was 5 long and I got stuck in the middle of it. Than it happened. The Hawaiian Tropic girls got on the plane. They were wearing stripper shoes and had on super tight clothes. I ended up with 2 on both sides of me for an 8 hour flight.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I sat next to a cute girl once

of course i was 14, so we just played one of those puzzles.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My pref #3 and #1 in that order

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

why? takes up to much space? he's an institution just like shannon

trying out no caps deal … was awkward, had to go back and edit out the caps

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I got Jaime and Craig's autograph on the same ball

Last year at the rolla caravan. I put the ball on a shelf

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The first time I read this I saw I got Craig Jame's autograph.

And I was wondering who would what his autograph.

/dyslexia

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Mattoon paper reported Freese was going to be on their caravan a couple of weeks ago

guess they were wrong.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hot damn

Freese, Jaime and Shelby in my town.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Jan 5, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we should try to get a ransom together I guess

I have like 5 dollars in pennies I could donate

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

in the van?

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss Y2S. I was playing wonderputt the other day and thought of him

(or her. I know nothing about that person except that they like the Cardinals and have some firm beliefs about VEB).

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

come back y2s! VEB is incomplete w/o you

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

agreed

I don’t have it in me to serve as the official keeper of VEB lore

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I plan on it soon

figured I’d allow for a cooling-off period

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he's pretty good about that

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you have been especially welcoming as well MtF

at least in my case

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks. I try to be

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

the Forsch is strong in you

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And various minuteae

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Jd's last comment was:

Ha, boob

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Poor JD

He’s gone to the big Waffle House in the sky.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like some werewolf is going around devouring the VEB regulars

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have often had this thought

If a VEBer ever died, there is a chance we would never find out

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If you really want to get down to it

Sheer probability says at least one person who has posted on VEB is no longer alive

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Brains...

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I've thought that too

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

another forum i was a part of had a regular die

and somehow they found out. you’d be surprised how many internet detectives are out there.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 5, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Werewolf, or Skip Schumaker enthusiast?

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

Enough of your wild and crazy accusations!

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It's The Demon Barber of Fleet Street all over again!

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Werewolf, or Skip Schumaker enthusiast?

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

also, maniacal

stupid fone

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

had Monical on the brain

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That too

I blame the delicious cheesy Mac I’m eating at cheese-ology

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

We must find the werewolf and DESTROY

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just wondering yesterday where JD had gotten to.

I figure Y2S will come back eventually.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And a rec.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and then he popped

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and theres just all these cliques now

i miss the good old days

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried very hard to read this as

clichés, but couldn’t do it, mostly because the accent aigu was missing.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that

The wind did really weird things to that kick

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wind or not

That was pretty inexcusably pathetic on the other goalie’s part.

by mojowo11 on Jan 5, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he looked frozen

But h judged that ball poorly. Like he couldn’t decide whether to try to take it in the air or off the bounce

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily blame him, that bounce was ridiculous.

Under normal circumstances I imagine the ball would have bounced right to him.

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree.

I played a keeper for most of the 25 years I played soccer, and wind can be a bitch. Also, balls shouldn’t normally bounce that high, either.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

classy guy too

felt really bad for the opposing keeper, and didn’t celebrate. said the same thing happened to him a long time ago, and wouldn’t wish it upon anyone.

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saw this, and thought of rui.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Should've made it 5 panels with a blank 4th panel

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

so is your face

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sup VEB

its been a bit. How goes things in Cardinal land?

GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!

by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

65 in January?

Sold. Something tells me we are going to pay dearly for this.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in Western NC

We just saw our first measurable snow of the season monday night. extremely unusual.

GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!

by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

First week of January and theres only been one measurable snow here too

I’m waiting for another Snowpacalypse!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I love snow.

Im also an (extremely) amateur weather buff. From what I’ve been reading, it sounds like we could be in for a pattern change coming in the next month or so. but who knows?

i just hope we see one really good storm before winter ends.

GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!

by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was able to open my door and get some fresh air

Until my d-bag neighbors started smoking again. It’s like a smokestack is next door, I don’t know how it gets in so much but within a minute the entire inside of my house is covered in the smell. I’ve actually had problems breathing it got so bad before. It’s like they sit outside and blow the smoke deliberately into our house.
/diatribe

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good! While this off-season hasn't exactly been a fairy tale,

we’re mostly pretty pumped about Beltran and happy about Furcal. Oswalt rumors are intriguing as well.
The big question is how are YOU feeling about needing to root for Big Z?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like the marlins cleaned up in tht deal actually.

Volstad is a 25 year old, former first round pick, who has pitched quite poorly. its not like we didnt give him a shot either. he had 3 years of poor play. The upside on Zambrano is high. we only pay 2-3 million to him this season, and if he even comes close to his 2010 stats, it will be twice as good of stats we were getting from Volstad in the #5 slot.

1 year flier on a veteran pitcher for 2 million, who has shown ace stuff before? low risk. High ceiling for reward.

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by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Volstad is a 6' 8" sinkerballer. He was 5-13

with round a 4.80 ERA. Zambrano had similar stats last year, but he has at least had great seasons before and last year seemed a bit fluky.

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by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Volstad had a 3.64 xFIP last year

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

admittedly I dont know alot about advanced stats

but it seems that Volstad has always pitched worse then advanced stats would indicate. fact is he had a terrible year last year.

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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the advanced stats just look at the things that are more in a pitchers control

Volstad’s strikeout and walk rates were both at a career best last year, and that’s usually a harbinger of future success. His GB% was also at a career high and well above the league average. His HR/FB was pretty well elevated above the league average, which could mean he was throwing more hitable pitches – but that doesn’t gel with his improved strikeout rate and is most likely not much of a concern going forward.

I think Volstad and Zambrano are about equal going forward, and the Marlins save salary with this, so I think it’s a good trade.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Theo's got his hands full in Chicago

When I was up there I saw Theo themed Obama Hope poster that just said “THEO”

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he's prepared for when it goes downhill

and the city turns on him. Maybe he could sneak out of the stadium in a Bartman costume

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Barring mental breakdowns

Giving up one too many homeruns at home may do it

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

how do you think that the combination

of guys like hanley, zambrano & ozzie – all known as guys who voice their frustrations – will gel in the clubhouse?

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 5, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel that this is being WAY overblown

Ozzie is a character for sure. we’ll see how that turns out.

As for Hanley, he stated yesterday that he was willing to move to 3B to help the team win. said all the right things. I bet hes not as happy about it as he conveyed though, but he is stupid if he thinks moving to third and making room for Reyes does not make his chances at winning a heck of alot better.

Zambrano also has alot of reason to behave. new city, contract year coming up. we’ll see, but I think you will find Zambrano and Ozzie to get along fine.

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he who fears losing, has already lost
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by Gatorfan4life on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

are they romans?

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yes they are romans

by way of venezuela

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

They made a Pepsi commercial together!

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by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If anyone needs me, i'll be in the angry dome

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Zelda, probably

If we look at the whole history of their games and music

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by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

dammit aranathor

making to posts in a row

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Videogame with the best soundtrack

GO!

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

Oh man

You really don’t want me to pay attention to my family tonight, do you

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You have no need of family when you have VEB

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh snap, this is a direct challenge.

Ummmm….uhhhhhhh…..eeeeeeeehhhh…. Batman: Arkham City?

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Which one?

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Skyward Sword came with

a 25th anniversary symphonic composition of 8 different zelda songs, including a medley from each of a few of the most recent games (windwaker, twilight princess). Pretty awesome, plus it was “free”.

Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........

by liars&thieves on Jan 5, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Coincidental link that I just saw in my timeline

This would be awesome

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you're all already wrong

its Toy Commander

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Chronotrigger

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

A strong contender.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hipster.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys ever heard the weird jazz album of covers from that game?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's called The Brink Of Time

Here’s a track

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that is some pretty interesting stuff

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds interesting

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Are we talking individual games or series?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

individual games

just to make my standard answer of ‘soulcalibur’ less valid.

The Dreamcast version of soulcalibur has some great songs, but they can be quite same-y. Soulcalibur 2 on the NGC has more standout tracks but isn’t as good overall.

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang.

So, I can’t just answer “the Final Fantasy series”. Hm.

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by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head

Act Raiser
Jet Set Radio
Final Fantazy 3(6)
Super Castevania 4

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it had a pretty kick-ass run

Soul Calibur, Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, the first Sonic Adventure was pretty good. I’m sure there are some awesome ones I’m forgetting.

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by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd sonic adventure was good too

lest we forget

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

the sonic games fell off so quickly after that that I forget how much I enjoyed the second one.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I just never got around to playing the second one

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by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

your honestly missing out

its a fun game. although the story gets a little wierd at the end.

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't figure out where I put my dreamcast

but I remember being pissed off that I couldn’t skip the knuckles stages.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Actraiser final fantasy megaman zelda

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

any megaman

but at the top, earthbound.

this is the answer to most “best video game x” questions.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Does any Megaman soundtrack really compare to Megaman 2?

It’s so perfect. I think it has an argument for best ever. It’s like a band made an album with eleven songs, and ten of them were number one hits, and the last one was really good but only broke the top 20.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

2 is the best

but the entire NES run is fantastic.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I love those videos!

I’ve listened to way, way too many of them already…

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Counter with:

Minibosses

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure you're not thinking of The Advantage?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an mp3 of that, and one of the Minibosses doing a whole medley

But I can’t find The Advantage one on YouTube.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, OK

Either way, Bubble Man is a good song. So we are in total agreement. We can now have peace in our time.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not gonna go there

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I hooked my NES back up over break and I've been playing a ton of mega man.

for some reason my copy of 2, out of all 6, is no longer working. this gameplay footage is killing me.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Skyrim music is pretty great too

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

phrygian!

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

flagged

Rockband and it’s ilk just make me hate what ever song that person is attempting to play

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe "that person" just sucks at Rockband

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Road Rash

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Late night VEB

yea or nea?

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yay!

How the heck are you Aranathor? Happy Christmas I hope

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm good

i have returned to my university home on the west coast of Britain, christmas was good, but i’m hella glad its over. And most importantly i get to see my BF again on saturday, which i really cannot wait for.

How are you I-M-L-A?

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

IMLA is pretty cool acronym

really rolls off the tounge.

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

appreciate it it and glad you enjoyed it

On a personal note the fam and I did as well. Really enjoy this time of year and the time off. Watched some great movies … Radio Days, Purple Rose of Cairo, The Maltese Falcon, Barefoot Contessa, and Casablanca to name a few, got the 06 and 11 WS sets and a few good books to read. Overall was very reinvigorating.

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I especially love period classic movies when it comes to the newer ones

When we watched Paper Moon with the girls and they were hooked on good ol’ timey movies to my delight but it’s damned hard to live up to in continued selections.

Sidebar I followed it up with Stand by Me and we never looked back but I have to be on my game with movie selections. I am glad they’re liking the Bogie movies and they have also enjoyed Christmas classics for years like Miracle on 54th Street older and new versions, and old classics like It’s a Wonderful Life (no haters please). Speaking of Jimmy Stewart, we watched Harvey this holiday season too.

I’m always open to suggestions as I really love my other hobby of classics and sharing with the kids. So if you have favourites your children have enjoyed with you please share….Lurkers welcome

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is Bogie?

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by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

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by TBender on Jan 6, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Barefoot Contessa?

Without going to IMdB, trying to remember this. Is that with Sophia Loren and Paul Newman?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, had to go look

boy was I off. Must have been thinking about Lady L. Haven’t seen it in probably 35+ years

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched Maltese Falcon for the first time.

I love older movies such as that.

"Let me tell you something kid; Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either because they're too scared, or they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. You shouldn't let it go by."
"Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong."
-Babe Ruth in the movie "Sandlot"

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

nhl officiating is ridiculous

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

HA

vindication

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw fuck.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Pitching coach Dave Duncan is taking leave of absence from #STLCards. Full story coming. #MLB

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Ohshitrealnews

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing we've still got Carp to fill in.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And I certainly hope that everything is still okay with Mrs. DD.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

now strauss reports he is stepping down

twitter

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

follow up tweet makes it sound like that's a no

“citing family matters”

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

if that means what i think it means, my heart goes out to dave, chris, and shelley.

what a heartbreaker.

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

More stuff rolling in makes it seem like Strauss is wrong

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

like that would be a first

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Goold said something about him stepping down too though, I think

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah the difference in semantics is confusing

“stepping down” vs. “leave of absence” . Rosenthal’s “Leave of absence” is saying the enitre season.

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn, the other shoe has dropped

best wishes to them

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We're in the other thread

here

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 6, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

goddamnit

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

link

here for posterity’s sake

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck, fuck, fuck.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Jan 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Update
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Chris Carpenter will take on the job as Pitching coach #STLCards

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Block quote, huh?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the question is

who comes out and pays him a mound visit?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody

if they know what’s best for them

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

A Brazilian anaconda that they will keep in a cage in the clubhouse.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

he'd just turn that into shoes and a handbag for his wife

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

here's rosenthal's full story

click

Duncan, 66, is leaving the team so he can be with his wife, Jeanine, who underwent surgery to remove a brain tumor on Aug. 21, sources said.

"As far as how long he’ll be gone, no one knows," Mozeliak said.

The Cardinals intend to make a formal announcement Friday and leave open the possibility that Duncan can return to the organization at a later time.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

that sucks on multiple points

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

god damnit

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Who in the hell is Greg Garcia?

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

I think he's the Houston Texans 6th string QB

which means he’s starting on Saturday.

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by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

round 7 draftee out of Hawai'i in 2010.

If you read FR, you’d know this.

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by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

jeez...
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Miguel Cabrera ordered to pay total of $1,436.23 in DUI plea. He earned $20M last year. Equivalent to $3.59 for someone who makes $50k.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

he probably pulled that out of his front pocket

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 5, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor bastard

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

unbelievable

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I like you topic

2014 is going to be a year the youth are served. Sure Wainwright and Garcia will anchor the rotation with Shelby Miller and Lance Lynn (or Rzepczynski) both serving in their 2nd seasons as regulars. Carlos Martinez or Trevor Rosenthal will move into the 5th spot. Let’s skip to the starting lineup. 1b – Matt Adams will begin his first full season their after his apprenticeship under Berkman in 2013. Allen Craig will back him up. Both are unheralded players who put up huge numbers in the minors but people weren’t sure if they’d translate into the majors. One of them will succeed. 2b – Kolten Wong. He will begin his reign as the star second sacker we never wanted to pay to have. 3b. – David Freese and his wonky ankles will hopefully be holding up due to regular rests and Matt Carpenter backing him up. Dan Descalso of course will more then capably spell 2b, ss & 3b. Matt Holliday in left is a given. Jon Jay will be still having people shake their heads at how well he produces in CF. In right, well it’s Oscar Taveras time, which he will share with Craig. And yes, Skip Schumaker will still be the 5th outfielder. At, catcher will STILL be Yadier Molina, maybe not playing as many games as before, however, I don’t feel he will leave via free agency and I don’t think he will go down hill as quick as other catchers. The Molina’s are tough and durable and Yadi is the best of them. The organization can’t afford to let him leave. Now the backup could be any of Anderson, Cruz, Stanley or Stephen Hill. As for shortstop, I’m going with a trade (that Mozeliak is normally afraid to do and never does) of minor league prospects. We trade Zack Cox to Texas for wonderkind Jurickson Profar. He has Taveras potential on offense and a tremendous glove on D. The Rangers have Andrus and don’t need him, whereas they could use Cox at 3rd and move the aging Beltre to 1b or DH. The highly under-rated Ryan Jackson could fill in just in case Profar isn’t ready until 2015. So what we have, is yes, a very young team of exciting talent that will grow together. Keeping the costs down in case one of them fails and we need to bring in an expensive free agent. And that’s how I see if shaking out.

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