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WAR! What Is it Good For? (And How Much Is it Worth?)

Howdy, y'all.

I hope you will forgive the rushed nature of this post, but I find myself with a bare amount of time in which to try and compose something. My apologies.

You know, I was in my automocar yesterday afternoon, flying across the alkali flats of Fenton, when a particular ad came on the radio. The ad in question is, I suppose, more of a public service announcement than a proper advertisement, warning against the dangers of buzzed driving. (Apparently it is the same as drunk driving, according to the Ad Council.) Anyhow, there's a pair of young women driving home from a party of some sort, partially inebriated. They're joking about the lame pickup lines guys at the party tried on them, giggling merrily, when suddenly the sounds of screams and crashing kicks in.

After the apparent crash, the girl driving asks her friend if she's alright, and the other girl starts crying and moaning about her broken arm. The driver gives her the, "I was only a little buzzed," defense, at which point the passenger decides she much be alright, then, cheers up, and apparently resets her arm. Of course, it doesn't last, the girl rebreaks her arm and starts wailing away, everyone winces at the sound effect and feels bad for the injured party, and the tagline comes in about not driving buzzed. It's a fairly effective spot, and the voice actor playing the injured girl does an especially nice job conveying both pain and panic.

There's only one problem with the spot, at least for me. The passenger who gets injured is name Becky, and when the crash occurs the driver turns to her and says, "Oh my god, Becky. Are you all right?"

Here's the problem: when she says those first four words, "Oh my god Becky," I actually experience this Pavlovian response mechanism and my brain immediately follows those words with, "Look at her butt." Of course, once that happens the rest of the song kicks in and the message of the PSA is completely lost in my adolescent giggles. While the voice actress playing Becky is vamping her heart out telling the world how much her arm hurts, I'm thinking of the circumstances under which my anaconda (shout out to Roy Halladay), don't want none and missing the point by a fairly large margin. It negatively impacts the effectiveness of the spot for me.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Star-divide

All through the offseason, more than I can ever remember before, there's been a lot of discussion about player value centered around WAR. You know, such and such is worth X amount of wins, wins are valued at Y dollars apiece, ergo the player in question is worth Z per season and his contract is a good or bad one.

This has gotten me to thinking, and since I'm short on time and ideas today I thought I would throw this out there. I understand the concept behind the cost of adding marginal wins. In a given year, teams spend so much per win across baseball. The number takes into account good contracts, bad contracts, and those that come in right at market value. It's not a perfect way to look at valuation, but it's certainly good enough for those quick back of the envelope calculations we all do when we see what a given player got.

But I've been thinking lately that this method of player valuation really underrates great players and overrates mediocre ones. We know that not all wins are valued equally; i.e. there's a certain spot on the quality curve where it's very cost-effective to buy wins and other places on the curve where the cost is too high for the benefit gained. But we sort of accept that players are valued very linearly, when I don't know that's a very good way to look at it.

Say for the sake of ease that a win this year will be 'worth' $5 million. That means a player posting 1.0 WAR should be worth $5 million, while a player posting 3.0 WAR should be earning $15 million on the open market. It makes sense, right? You expect to spend $5 million per win on the open market, the player worth three wins is worth thrice as many wins as the first guy. Simple equation.

Here's my problem, though: there are certain advantages gained with a player worth a large number of wins on his own, largely in the form of the smaller percentage of the roster he takes up. There's also a problem of scarcity, in that players worth five wins simply aren't as available as one win players and thus represent a much more in-demand commodity, driving up the relative price.

Ignoring the scarcity aspect for a moment, think of the roster bit this way: say you have five players, all worth 2.0 WAR. League-average players, in other words. Now, on the other hand, consider a pair of 5.0 WAR players in place of those first five hypothetical guys. In the first example, you have 20% of your roster producing 10 wins. That leaves you with 80% of your total roster space to add additional quality. In the second roster example, you have just 8% of your total roster producing those same 10 wins. Simple subtraction, you still have 92% of your roster left to try and add wins to your team. Given that the size of MLB rosters has a concrete limit, there's an opportunity cost to taking up more roster spots to add a similar amount of value. In the more balanced roster posited above, you simply have fewer opportunities left on the roster to improve the team than in the top-heavy model.

Given the value of concentrating quality into fewer roster spots in terms of an opportunity cost, I wonder if players shouldn't really be valued in a linear fashion, but rather exponentially. In other words, as we look at it now, we know a 4.0 WAR player is twice as valuable as a 2.0 WAR player. What I'm suggesting, though is that such a viewpoint undervalues the four win player due to the extra roster spot necessary to equal the value that single player provides. In other words, while we know a player worth four wins is going to produce twice as much value as the two-win guy, the four-win player is actually worth more than twice as much as his league average counterpart and should be valued as such.

There's an issue of scarcity here, too, in that the higher you move up the wins-per-season ladder the more difficult players are to find. A guy worth 6.0 WAR is so much more rare than one worth, say, 3.0 WAR that, again, I think those extra wins should actually be valued more highly than the wins the lesser player provides.

That scarcity works in reverse, as well, of course. Players worth one win are common enough -- and add little enough value relative to the amount of roster space they occupy -- that they shouldn't get full credit for that single win they add. Both the 6.0 win player and the 1.0 win players take up the same 4% of the roster; the excess value provide by the better player shouldn't be subject to the same linear calculation as the below-average production from the other player is.

There is another side to this, in that the potential downside of receiving the bulk of your production adds to the possibility of catastrophic failure due to injury or simple poor play. If your 2.0 league-average guy gets hurt or just falls off a cliff, you're talking about a much smaller percentage of your overall production down the tubes for the season than if your 5.0 WAR staff ace goes down with Tommy John surgery in spring training. (Not that that has ever happened, of course.) Concentrating the value also concentrates the risk, much like a stock portfolio built on just a handful of high-growth holdings. So there is definitely a point against my thought that high-end players are worth exponentially more than lower value players.

Even so, given the larger risk of losing a huge amount of production in one fell swoop, I still think on balance the concrete dollar amount per win method of player valuation tends to underrate those players capable of producing a large amount of value from a smaller percentage of the roster. You should never, ever pay anything beyond league minimum for replacement level, but then the first win above that is immediately worth just as much as the win value a given player produces above, say, league-average level. I tend to think that's overvaluing a relatively commonplace commodity, while undervaluing a significantly less common one.

Then again, perhaps the market already corrects for this and I just don't realise it. After all, there are plenty of one- to two-win players who sign for peanuts in any given year due to health concerns or just the simple crunch of needing a job as spring training approaches. There are people on other boards I've seen scoffing at Edwin Jackson's current contract demands, when his career performance record suggests he will be worth what he's asking in all likelihood. The perception of him as enigmatic and perhaps a bit of an underachiever may very well drive his price down below what he'll be worth, in which case he would essentially serve as a balance against some other contract which overvalues a mediocre player.

I also worry I'm conflating two somewhat unrelated ideas in that the market value for a win is determined by what teams across the game spend in a given year, while player salaries and valuation are much more subject to individual vagaries. Perhaps directly equating the value of a player to what the market says his production is worth in a given season is a mistaken premise from which to start. Still, it's something that's been kicking around in my head recently due to the thrust of so much of our offseason discussions and I thought it would be suitable for a quick (though not so quick now; looking at the word count below this I've rambled on far, far longer than I had planned on), Wednesday discussion thread.

In the end, I'm not really arguing for paying more per win; rather, I wonder -- though in a rather vague sort of way -- if the first win or two worth of value you receive from a player shouldn't be much less valuable than what we think, while those wins you receive from players like Matt Holliday or, dare I say it, Albert Pujols should be placed on a sliding scale, with the fifth and sixth wins worth far more than what we give credit for.

So this is my question to you: do you feel like a linear style of player valuation, in which a player worth five wins is worth exactly five times as much as a player worth one win, is the most accurate and useful method? Or do you feel an exponential valuation, in which higher-quality players are worth more per win beyond a certain number would be more reflective of how valuable said players actually are?

Feel free to tell me I'm way off base here; I'm no economist and there's a whole lot of stuff going on here that probably makes my initial hypothesis a poor starting point. But it's January, there is no new news, and I wasn't quite ready to start on my draft reports for 2012 yet. (I'll likely start those either next week or the week after, mid-ish January seems to be about the time I need to start to get a solid number of them done.) So here is this rather long but poorly thought-out post for you to consider and perhaps argue over.

Have a nice Wednesday, and I shall see you all again next week. Take care.

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Another thing in the same realm

When a team is projected at 90 win team shouldn’t each additional win be valued higher than market value. Because each win greatly increases your chance at the playoffs. I think Nate Silver wrote an article about this way back when.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I thought about marginal value of a win too

Like if you’re the Nats, and you think Prince Fielder gets you from 83 wins to 88 wins, you’re probably much more willing to pay a lot more than $5 million for WARs 3, 4, and 5. Adam LaRoche at 1B gets you the first two wins, but going from 83 to 35 probably doesn’t get you into the postseason.

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Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Jan 4, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

85 wins. Accidently typed my IQ in there instead.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Jan 4, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's Birnbaum referencing the work by Silver in Baseball Between the Numbers

Link.

So there should be a bump in the value of a win in the playoff range. According to Nate Silver, in chapter 5.2 of “Baseball Between the Numbers,” the 71st win is worth less than $1 million in revenue, the 105th win is worth less than $1 million in revenue, but the 90th win is worth $4.5 million.

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by lightbulb on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking about this since Azru's post on setting expectations for the core.

In the post on the Cardinals’ signing of Juan Encarnacion, lboros commented:

but smart organizations don’t pay $5m a year for three years for league avg guys. smart organizations find those guys for $500k.

In this post, you write something that I feel is very similar in sentiment:

Players worth one win are common enough — and add little enough value relative to the amount of roster space they occupy — that they shouldn’t get full credit for that single win they add.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

I think about this problem often, and your view makes intellectual sense (as well as the utility of a marginal win)

however, in practice it is much harder to show that $ to wins isn’t linear. Excellent, excellent discussion of the topic here (math warning):

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/is_this_line_linear_or_polynomial/

I think this is an excellent discussion topic. Not sure we can pinpoint an answer.

by all4tookie on Jan 4, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Essentially, the money is linear, but the difference is found in the length of the contract right?

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

that seems intuitively true, but i don't actually know

more reading: http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/value_of_scarcity/

essentially the takeaway is this:

People talk about premiums for the single superstar, but when it comes down to it, the wiggle room will basically be 0.25 wins.

So, you hear complaints that you can’t just add two players’ 3 + 3 WAR to match to two other guys at 5.3 + 0.7, but when you ask for a specific equivalent, you basically end up with a deviation of at most 0.25 wins.

Therefore, we can all acknowledge that it’s not a perfectly straight linear relationship, but if you can accept a 0.25 win deviation, then a straight line does the job.

(this is from my first link, but is in reference to my second)

by all4tookie on Jan 4, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

also, one commenter disagrees with the premise but i have no idea what this means:
As far as focusing on the issue at hand, it is interesting that this thread commenced with a canned fit of some unspecified data to a 4th-order polynomial with an associated R^2. Wouldn’t a spline have done? Wouldn’t it also be maximally useful in this situation to pinpoint the domain of maximum nonlinearity? That would seem to be a more useful exercise in this context than the speculation on approximation sufficiency.

Gas/#40

by all4tookie on Jan 4, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as the Cardinals

new director of player development does, I have no problem with it.

I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently you aren't familiar with Decision Sciences...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a go:

The initial fit (the 4th order polynomial over the entire range) was an arbitrary choice to model some undisplayed data points (that definitely don’t fall exactly on the line). The post then asks if that particular fit looks linear in some regime. The commenter points out that the choice was arbitrary and so drawing any significant conclusions from the fit itself may not be useful.

The spline option is an alternative way to fit the data in which one uses different functions to fit different chunks of the curve, so you might use a quadratic fit between 0.2 and 0.5, but a linear fit from 0.5 to 1. This type of function would highlight regions where the data appears to be linear, and other regions where it seems to have significant deviations.

by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*data appear to be linear

by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd for literacy

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by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know how the Pythagorean Formula for baseball was derived?

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

It's in Baseball Between the Numbers

Bill James, then Baseball Prospectus changed the exponent, then Patriot/Rally made further modifications to the formula on how to get the exponent.

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by lightbulb on Jan 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

/hazyremembrance

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by lightbulb on Jan 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Using math.

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by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

A Formal (Re)derivation of James' Pythag Theorem

Here’s a technical reference paper I’ve been using for some 5 or more years that goes directly to your question RUI. Although this is not the original derivation, the author’s independent (re)derivation is quite beautiful and fairly rigorous from a mathematical standpoint (warning: serious “maths” involved). He also does a fair job referencing sources. Find the PDF here: http://web.williams.edu/go/math/sjmiller/public_html/math/papers/PythagWonLoss_Paper.pdf

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by AustinBOB on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't read math

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

My brain hurts

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh good

here

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That's IT!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

ok that was good

i didn’t understand it all but I could tell it was well presented. I love math.

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by spfldbird on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an interesting idea. Awesome players are worth more

Because you get that performance out of 1 roster spot instead of having to use 2 or 3 roster spots to get the equivalent WAR. So Pujols is worth 5 WAR by the stats, but 6 rWAR (roster WAR).

by sdrone on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

This is conflating the two issues.

WAR, as a measurement, is an attempt to directly measure impact on the game. It’s calculated on how many bits of a probabilistic run you save or score during each play.

$/WAR is simply an attempt to price out the free agent market (which has historically priced free agents in a linear fashion) based on contracts signed.

Saying that someone should be more valuable in terms of $$$ absolutely should not impact how many WAR they are worth. You would simply want to price WAR in a non-linear fashion.

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by azruavatar on Jan 4, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

so much WAR has to do with who is on the team

extremem example
how many WAR is pujols worth on a team that has all other players at replacement value?
answer—not much
extreme is he walks every time because the other players are crap
so he has no rbi, no runs scored, etc

also, i think the WAR-$ curve is actually inverted
the highest $/WAR tend to be in guys who produce very low WAR
my favorite example is jrey and miles (or equivalent)
and jrey got more per WAR than pujols (even in real average dollars) based on next year’s contract and last year’s WAR

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 4, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

WAR is context neutral. RBI and runs scored are context-driven stats, based as much on the performance of other players as on the player driving in the run or scoring the run. Having a low runs scored or RBI total would not negative impact a player’s WAR.

Also, if Pujols walked every time, he’d be the most valuable offensive players in baseball history. Bill James wrote an article on this, comparing the player to Babe Ruth.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

do you have that article?

I wonder how that value shifts from a team full of average players to a team full of replacement players. For instance, at the extreme (like a lineup full of me, for instance), walks are essentially worthless because I will strike out everytime.

by all4tookie on Jan 4, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in

The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract and can be read here, I think.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

great, thanks.

I think I’m going to find my answer more in the establishment of “replacement level”

by all4tookie on Jan 4, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That isn't a "replacement level" lineup in the WAR sense, but it might be close.

The lineup James surrounded Ruth with for the simulation was pretty bad.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand the question.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

There are tons of arguments to be had along these lines

but in the end, the linear relationship tends to hold up empirically. I think it’s probably because there are plenty of forces on both sides as well as enough noise to render any fit with more than linear complexity hard to support. That said, here are a couple more arguments that I’ve always found interesting related to this:

  • Concentrating WAR increases the likelihood of maximal performance There’s a flip side to the risk of putting all your WAR in one player which is that you’re more likely to get all of than you are if it’s spread over multiple players. If you have one 5-WAR player vs five 1-WAR players, you’re more likely to end up with 0 WAR at the end of the day (catastrophic injury of one player is more likely than catastrophic injury of five), but you’re also more likely to get 5 WAR (complete health of one player is more likely than complete health of 5). Generally speaking, these types of risk seem likely to be worth taking when the goal is to win a championship.
  • On the opposite side of RBs point (and of my first bullet) is lineup construction. If considering two consecutive lineup positions, I’m willing to bet that having 3WAR-3WAR is more valuable than 5WAR-1WAR. There’s no question that overall offensive success is cooperative (non-linear) wrt run scoring in the extreme cases, but in practice, we tend to see the linear part of the curve. That said, I think there’s an argument to be made for lineup balance.

by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I've been thinking about a post on the post-Pujols lineup,

comparing it to the “Albert Pujols & the Seven Dwarfs” lineups of his peak. I’m still grappling with the structure, though, but it was basically going to be your two bullet points. Now, I guess I don’t have to.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to see some exposition of them

particular the second point. I’ve been too lazy to mess around with a simulator to look at it directly, but it wouldn’t be too hard to test the hypothesis.

by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it is also budget

how many WAR can you afford
as i said above a 7 WAR guy amongst a bunch of losers is not as valuable as a 7 WAR talent on a good team (if that person could even muster 7 WAR on a bad team)

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 4, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not true

A 7 WAR player is a 7 WAR player, regardless
If the other 8 lineup spots are replacement level

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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Re-reading

I may have missed your point

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"you're also more likely to get 5 WAR (complete health of one player)"

I don’t agree. Not all 5 have of the 1 WAR players need to be healthy to get 5 WAR. Some of them can out perform.

Also, your 5 WAR player can be injured and deliver less than 5 but more than 0.

by hotwater2 on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Guy!

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by pattimagee on Jan 4, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

pretty much my thoughts when scrolling down.

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Roy O in the pen?

does he have the stuff to come out of the pen? I dunno if i would pay for him what hell get to come out of pen, however it’d be great insurance well above Kmac should someone go down.

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

There’s no reason to pay him 1 year $10 M to be in the pen, and if we offer less, he can make more elsewhere starting

There’s literally no way he’s in the pen for us

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If we sign oswalt

He better be starting

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He hasn't signed a contract

Lets imagine he takes 4 million so he can finally pitch for the Cardinals. Could he come out of the pen then?

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 4, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it Oswalt want's to pitch for the Cardinals so badly?

Because we won the WS and could repeat, have the aura and legacy of the Cardinal Way, great and knowledgeable fans, best baseball blog community site ever, or is it just the pies?

Or is he jealous of the relationship Halladay has with Carp?

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He misses Berkman

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wants to relive 2005?

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He wanted to come here in 2010 before we had either of them.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

was going with the joking flow

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

/humor fail

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They were conspiring a la lebron/wade/bosh

and chose the Cardinals

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't that just frost Albert's balls

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He's like a Henderson

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Why the hell do we want him in the pen?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't...

they’re just saying that to avoid ruffling feathers.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

if we are pursuing him

this would seem quite possible. And then he could just happen to prove that he merited a starting slot during spring training.

by Robth on Jan 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...

we have five pitchers. Honestly, saying they’re interested in Oswalt as a relief pitcher is even more ridiculous than the idea that JuanEnc might be a “core guy.”

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Please please please

let Hunter Pence reach Free Agency

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

what and/or why?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dinosaur fetish.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 4, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Laughter occurred.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

...

This was on MLBTR

Dunno, its not that i want the Cardinals to sign him (at least not in his current projected form; 30 yr old RF looking for big contract). However, if he plays good not great for the next two years and the Cards are looking for a RF, i would give him a look. But there’s every chance that a team that is looking to be ready to compete in a couple of years, rhymes with Zicago Zubs, would sign him to a massive albatross contract, providing hours of hilarity.

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

Isn’t our outfield kind of crowded already?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 4, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone can play 2nd right?

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 4, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

In Britain, they play with five outfielders and three infielders.

Except the outfielders play on the infield and the infielders play in the outfield!

I think there’s some cultural differences that we need to overcome.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   5 recs

Yup

i would sure like someone to post that right about now

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Hunter Pence is an All Star!

but seriously

Pence has two years on Craig, but he has played 4 full seasons, to Craig’s 0. Pence has wOBA’d above league average every year, career high last year, albeit playing alot of that in Philiadelpia. And Pence is an above average fielder, which Craig probably isn’t.

If i had a choice between the two, i’d take Pence every single time.

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Pence is funny-looking

and anybody saying he’s a good defender hasn’t spent enough time watching him play. He has a decent arm, but as funny-looking as he is, he’s even funnier-looking stumbling around the outfield.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Complete with the "highlighted" letter e

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is funny

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

and an energizer bunny!
“They. Just. Won’t. Go. Away.”

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

why isn't this green?

In the future, I for one, welcome our new Aaron Miles overlord.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 31, 2011 12:30 PM PST

by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll add my two cents here

1) As All4tookie linked to above, on average, dollars per WAR are paid for linearly by MLB teams. Now that doesn’t prove that value is linearly, nor does it say anything about the specifics of each signing.

2) Bracken’s points are both valid. Putting all your eggs in one basket increases the odds of getting higher value overall (because you can theoretically get higher than replacement level production for replacement level money), but it also increases risk. And its definitely better to have a more balanced lineup as well.

3) I wrote a post a few years back on Pennants Added. The takeaway is that in this current format, the playoff value of wins to an average team is basically linear.

Now that’s only for the average team. The value of a win depends entirely on where you fall on the playoff curve and how many roster spots you have to fill. If you are an 85 win team with one roster spot left to splurge on in FA, dollars per win should absolutely be non-linear. Adding 6 wins increases your playoff odds exponentially more than adding 3 years (consult the logistic regression graphs in that article). On the other hand, if you are the pirates, adding a 6 WAR player essentially has no more value than adding a 3 WAR player, so it should nonlinear the other way.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Welp I submitted an application to MLB Fan Cave

I figure, what the hell? Maybe I make the semi-finalists and get a big fan-vote push to be one of the 6 finalists who go to the fan cave.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

dead veb..

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

I think that this is overcomplicating things a little bit.

Since teams do not have an infinite payroll, pricing players non-linearly necessitates that you have less to spend among the other positions. The “opportunity cost” that RB is driving at is mitigated by the actual economics of roster construction. That is to say of teams price 5 WAR players non-linearly and spend all their money on two of those players, they may be economically constrained in a way that prevents them from capitalizing on the alleged “opportunity”.

Secondly, this comment:

There’s also a problem of scarcity, in that players worth five wins simply aren’t as available as one win players and thus represent a much more in-demand commodity, driving up the relative price.

I don’t think this is actually true. Tangotiger has written about this numerous times. You just don’t see the scarcity of those players actually driving up the relative price. Whether it should or not would speak more towards the opportunity cost point, which I think is overstated (at least for small market teams).

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 4, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

I thought something kind of similar whilst reading this

If for example a player with a history of putting up 5+ WAR seasons consistently comes on the FA market (like say, Albert Pujols), then even if $/WAR and oppurtuinity cost (like RB was referring to) say that this player should recieve a monumental sum they still won’t because of other things. There is, it would seem, an accepted upper limit to be paid for superstars, ~$25mil, obviously SSS. Thus, what seems like it should be an exponential-thing (lack of Maths knowledge really starting to show) is limited by economic factors.

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You Blues fans may get a kick out of

this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

I remember actually seeing that during the game

Isn’t that George Parros, noted pugilist?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 4, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

I was waiting for the linesman to threaten to turn the damn car around end vacation right there.

by openside on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

OT: shrinking a baseball hat

Does anyone know of a good way to do so?

My wife got me the NL Champs hat for Xmas – link, and I quite like it – however, the band is elastic and says “one size fits most” (you can guess the rest of the story from here). It’s maybe half a size too large…

The only thing I’ve found on the Interwebs is to soak it in a bucket of water and then wear it on my head until it dries. I’d like to believe there’s a better way however. Has anyone got any other ways they’ve had success with?

by avs18fan on Jan 4, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Most of the one size hats don't really shrink much (by design)

I’ve had a couple one size fits most hats for like 8 years and they haven’t shrunk a bit. The water thing is probably only going to work with the authentic style hats.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

you might be able to stuff a folded slip of paper towel or something

inside the band around the inside. this works with a fitted hat that is too big, but I’m not sure if there is a place to put it in a one size fits all hat.

this doesn’t actually shrink the hat, but could make it fit.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a WS one

Its a bit too small.

Anyway I know in the military the guys who wear berets will shower with their beret one for weeks at a time until its form fitting.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Grow an afro


Coco Crisp says hi.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they did have to give Holliday one

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Watching Tosh.0 once, I choked on my laughter so much I passed out

In my defense, it was a brilliant and sublime montage of puking.

I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Puking montages often are

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How high were you?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

we'd have to add you to

this list

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You reckon TLR has a new job opening up?
Joe Torre has officially resigned from his executive vice president position with Major League Baseball while his group pursues ownership of the Dodgers.

link

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

Wat

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Aranthor, your post plus your signature is unintentionally hilarious.

Unless you burst into song at the thought of Joe Torre buying the Dodgers.

And honestly, who among us doesn’t?

I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Chorus:

WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE
WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE
WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

rhyming 'lots o news'

with Astro-oose. Lyrical genius. Watch out DanUp!

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the British Baseball Blog Invasion

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 4, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

For e His a Henglishman

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you met aranathor, because he loves breaking into song.

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

Get it?

Do you?…..cuz he’s gay

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

I do what I can

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Heyman speculated that TLR may be offered the job.

(for the extremely little that it is worth.)

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I suddenly had this odd image

Of Zambrano, in a red fury, trying to stab Ozzie Guillien with a Marlin. Weird…

by JWO on Jan 4, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

still more funny cubs news
The Cubs will take on much of Zambrano’s salary and are “not expecting to receive much back in the way of prospects,” David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com writes.

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Heyman says the cubs are getting

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Heyman says the cubs are getting volstad back

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

so zambrano and ozzie guillien?

this should be interesting

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They're buddies, IIRC.

Didn’t Big Z get in a bunch of shit for having dinner with Ozzie after one of his blowups?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and jose reyes and hanley ramirez.

Needz moar brett myers and gerald laird. Fisticuffs for everybody!

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think this is a clear win for the Cubbies.

While Zambrano has clearly been the better pitcher in his career, it is my belief that Zambrano is at a Tom Cruise level of crazy – or further – and at 31 is beyond his best years. He is also being paid over $15M next year by the Marlins (taking away the $2.5M they’re being given by the Cubs. Not only that, but Zambrano has a $19M vesting option for 2013 that could kick in for the Marlins. The Cubs may not pay Chris Volstad more than $10M for the next 3 years of arbitration years (of course they hope to because that would mean Volstad was awesome for them) whereas it could be a 2-year, $34.5M contract for the Marlins and Zambrano!

Also, Chris Volstad’s K% and BB% are moving in the correct direction, he had a better FIP than Zambrano last year, a better WHIP, and a better swinging strike %. Lastly, Volstad will be in his age 25 season next year and is just entering arbitration this year. Including the $2.5M that they gave the Marlins, they will almost-assuredly have to pay Volstad less than 1/3 the cost of Zambrano.

by stlfan on Jan 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Crap...

didn’t read below that it’s all $18M now.

by stlfan on Jan 4, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

After now reading the post jump part, it's an interesting thought, and one I've wondered my self in the past

You also have to remember that while winning always sells more than anything, a players popularity among a certain ethnic group or a player being truly elite will always bolster marketing. The thing that kills me is we are in a circular thought process. We could factor in things like of a player is saving you roster space to for more WAR in or if the WAR gets you higher to 95 or 105 wins and make this a little more accurate, we could factor in that a team needs pitching or will get a greater upgrade at a position because of who is on the roster currently, but either way you would have to start and mostly hinge on a linear value core and then base the rest on team budget, need, and risk.

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think the most important thing to remember about WAR

is that it is a good guideline, but does not necessarily mean one player is better than the other, unless it is a drastic difference.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's important to have though

The key to contracts is what do you need, what can you afford, and how value does it give you. My point is that $/WAR analyzes the value well irregardless of it it is linear, scaled, or on a curve. What you need to evaluate beyond $/WAR is not more in depth analysis of the value but rather analysis of need and budget

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow, I looked back at what to wrote so I zcould best reply to the reply

And I’m surprised of Anton can translate some parts of that. Sentences were properly constructed in my brain, could have been spoken well, but we’re typed with incredible inaccuracy that destroyed them even making sense

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone could translate*

Fucking autocorrect

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes I understand but it is worth the read.

that explains some of the conversations…..

Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!

by spfldbird on Jan 4, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It does feel wrong.

But they also posted this after Chass wrote his bullshit about Musial.

So, I say they’re still cool.

(Side note: The Chass hitpiece only happened last March? Gah, seems like two or three years ago.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahaha

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

bravo, Baron

this was actually a pretty clear post, even though it was a bit rambling. very interesting idea… me feeling is that only players that have demonstrated being healthy or consistently playing a lot of games should be subject to the exponential curve.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not reading all of that.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Nope.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's too much to read.

I have stuff to do.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I can wait until the movie comes out.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

...

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh.

OK, fine.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

wuss

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a thing for trigger happy blondes

and no willpower.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I read it on the bus

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing to see here folks

move along

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

LOL
6:25pm: The Cubs will absorb all of Zambrano’s $18MM salary less the MLB minimum, tweets Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

They just want him gone.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Player personality fueled collapse

waiting to happen

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

ZambranoGoHoRo?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So magical. So awesome.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you blame him for wanting the move?

He’s the best HR hitting pitcher in the show

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ZambranoGoThroHoRo

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

God, I love that contract.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In Wrigley field
homer prone and struggles against left-handers, as MLBTR’s Mike Axisa pointed out earlier in the offseason.

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

he gave up 2.16 HR/9 last year to lefties

One of Berkman/Beltran hits a HR off him in his first start against the Cards. Book it.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This might be

The biggest contract a MLB team has ever eaten. Anyone know of a bigger one. at least AAV?

by JWO on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

very good sir

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They're only eating about $18 million...

I think the record amount of salary for a guy who was flat out released (not traded) was, at one point, $24 million by the DBacks for Russ Ortiz.

In terms of trading a guy and paying his salary, the Rangers got stuck with a bunch of ARod’s contract. Mike Hampton also comes to mind.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

adjust that to $71 million and $50 million.

The Rangers also paid another $4 million in signing bonus money owed.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

for 2 seasons totaling $12.9 million

The Rangers would have been better off keep A-Rod and letting him opt out after ’07

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Carlos Beltran fit in here somewhere?

Aren’t the Mets still paying him a ludicrous amount?

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

he fulfilled his deal and reached free agency. I don’t think any money even changed hands when he went to SF.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

How much of Vernon Wells' contract is Tortonto still eating?

Or is Arte choking all of that down his throat now?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Now now

the only thing Arte is choking on is all of Albert Pujols’ large… respect.

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by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That sucks

for Anaheim!

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They have Abreu, Hunter, and Wells all looking to get time in the OF and at DH

When they have younger, cheaper, and better options in Bourjous (spelling?) and Trout literally begging for at bats. They kind of screwed themselves by trading for Wells.

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by mtzxc on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Abreu turns 38 in March

and his D has been atrocious for awhile now. I’m betting he’s gonna be at DH more than the other 2.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

joey bombs signed with the cubs

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we'll always have Joey Slides

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by BVHeck on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ashamedly, I did not remember who Joey Bombs was, so I Googled it, and found a Youtube video titled Colby Rasmus and Joe Mather whose description reads
I believe these boys have a shot at the show. Joey Bombs did have a taste in STL this year.

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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

heh.

on Clubhouse Confidential they use WARP. And for those that are interested they are having a HOF vote roundtable discussion.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

I was watching

I’ve never seen Clubhouse Confidential before, but I like it. I also like Brian Kenny.

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He was cutting Jack Morris no slack.

I think he’s wrong about Lee Smith, myself. I think if those other guys got in then he should too. Better strike out rate by almost a full SO/9.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

WARP?

Is that like VORP and WAR combined?

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by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Engage

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

basically

They just had to throw the ‘Player’ on the end for the statistically challenged.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

right

thats still pretty stupid

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by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

someone at BP was the one that created the stat, I believe

they named it WARP, and then it was eventually trimmed down to WAR, with some people still using the ‘Player’ designation

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT

WAR sounds so much cooler.

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by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

BP calls it WARP

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

12 hour workday!

Booooo! I don’t even have billable’s or any of that other shit.

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by azruavatar on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

hire an assisstant (ambitious and capable or hot, your choice) then tell payroll your boss said you could hire an assistant

when your boss asks whats up refer to the assistant as an intern. what could go wrong?

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm usually close to 11 every day once you count my commute

i could leave earlier, but it wouldn’t matter; i’d just sit in traffic. i guess i might as well get paid for that time

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Austin traffic is awesome.

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by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston gets such a bad rap about traffic

DFW and Austin are the same nightmares.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Today I discovered a neat trick

You can skip Mopac and 35 altogether and take 183 to get to the airport in under 30 minutes during rush hour from Far West. Today didn’t suck!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know about Houston but hated driving up I35

Its like a driving a loop with all the on and of ramps right through town

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

at least houston has enough lanes to accommodate the drivers

houston is full of terrible, assholish drivers. austin just has more traffic than the roads can handle

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

On the topic of Texas (but not traffic)

We spent the week after Christmas in a vacation home in the Hill Country. I forgot how gorgeous it is out there. You were right.

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by clank on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Whereabout?

We’re taking the kids out there for Spring Break and staying here in one of their cabooses.

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by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Near Wimberley.

Two Christmases ago we stayed at a house in Marble Falls right on the lake. It’s one of my favorite traditions.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

as if I get paid for overtime

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by azruavatar on Jan 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

then don't work it.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy's never had a real job

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

tongue in cheek, but thanks.

though i kind of actually believe what i said.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So I'm coming up on 40 hours this week, we have a game on Saturday, but I haven't finished my scouting reports

I just stop?

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

stop bitching, maybe. there's two ways to think about it:

1. if you like your job and think you’re getting paid maybe more than you would at a cushier, definitely only-40 hours/week and/or hourly pay job (ie you think you’re getting paid to get the job done no matter how many hours it takes), then good for you. i hope you’re happy with your job and the increased pay, but you lose the right to bitch about it.

2. if you’re working unpaid overtime that you think you’re not getting paid for in other ways, then yeah, you should quit working at 40 hours or, really, quit your job. if you’re not enjoying working overtime it’s more likely you’re not enjoying working your first 40 hours anyway.

i know you’re going to call me out on being a little black/white on it and that there’s not many choices for most “in this economy” but still.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, work for yourself Rui, not for anyone else!

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

only work extra if it benefits you

not just because you feel that you have a duty to finish your work.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, not getting fired benefits you

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah of course

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

you do have a duty to finish your work.

but if you’re not getting paid for it other ways (utility from other benefits, having a higher salary than you think you would otherwise, etc) then you’re essentially working for free.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

you should work for how much they pay you

I think we’re agreeing on this.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. okay fair enough.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I will save this post for 2 years from now

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i worked 45 crazy hours at the office last week.

i know what it’s like.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There are some weeks you just get hammered with work, that's out of your control

Or anybody’s, really. We could have a Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday schedule next season where I’ll be working 60-70 hours. I don’t think that means i can’t bitch about it

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

do you enjoy your job? do you like what you get paid?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The answer to both is yes

And some weeks still really suck.

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

"rough week at work" would be acceptable.

“i hate that i don’t get paid overtime” is not.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did anybody say that

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"hahaha like i get paid for overtime"

was a bit tilted toward the latter.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It was more of an expression of disbelief

at how little the non-working commenters on this board understand.

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by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

45?

That’s been a light week for me for the past six years. 50+ hours per 6 day week is pretty much normal, anymore.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i enjoyed it because i got paid more.

and i’d never work six days a week. ever.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

ok.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Your expectations are ridiculous

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

he's still in college,

the real world hasn’t slapped him in the face yet.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

well you guys have families/wives

if you don’t have a family there is little reason to work anything more than the minimum.

Chitown, for example, works part time and rooms with people IIRC.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Those two things are very related

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean?

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, nothing important

Just that if you work part time, you HAVE to room with other people most likely

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I agree

that’s just another way to work less while still having enough money to eat and have your own bed.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe to you.

While I was single, I wanted to make money. As much of it as I could. So that I could spend said money on multiple tophats and monocoles.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this makes no sense

isn’t having a family a motivator to not work unreasonable hours?

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, but you have to provide for them

so you’re minimum work hours increase.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry?

she can work, too. and then we have two incomes and it becomes cheaper than being single. also, hopefully, you’re not making only the amount of money that is necessary to keep you breathing. if you are, then yes you will have to work more hours to have a family

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, if you're wife also has a job, then you work less

but having a family costs more money than not having a family. not sure why you are disagreeing with that.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not saying that more people cost more than fewer people

i’m saying that it’s not 1950 and most families aren’t one-income households

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i never disagreed with that

but even if your wife works, you’ll still have to work more to provide the minimum for a family (if you have kids).

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

if you current amount of work provides only the minimum for the x family members, you will have to work more to provide the minimum for x + 1. that’s common sense. hopefully most people are not in the situation.

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I don't what you think my original argument was

But I’ll say it again:

If you are single and you have no responsibilities outside of yourself, you should work enough to eat and sleep, and then balance extra work with what you really want to do in life.

If you have a family you have a duty to take care of them and provide a certain quality of life, so you will need to work more, and you’ll probably have to end up sacrificing what you really want to do in life (although at that point, it’s most likely going to be taking care of your family).

So, IMO, don’t overwork yourself when you are single.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought you meant the minimum required by the job

i don’t think working 16.5 hours per week is a reasonable expectation for most jobs

i also have no desire to live at the bare minimum level. i want nice computers and fancy cars. maybe your argument is that if i want to maintain that lifestyle while having a family, i have to work more. i suspect that its’ unrealistic to expect to maintain your single lifestyle once starting a family

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you can get a part time job

Although that’s definitely difficult depending on what line of work you are in.

I agree about not living on the bare minimum, but you have to balance working with free time or else there is no point to that extra work.

My argument is that even if you are a lazy bum who only wants to live on the bare minimum, once you get a family you have a moral responsibility to work more in order to provide for them. You’re minimum increases drastically when you get a family.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i think if you are just getting by

it’s overwhelmingly likely that it’s not by choice and that you would make more money if you could. given that, it’s probably pretty irresponsible to start a family when you’re in that position. (assuming family means kids. moving in with a long-term partner who also works will make things cheaper)

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

right, you have to prepare to have a family

but there are definitely people who, by choice, are just getting by. because some people will value working the bare minimum more than most other things in life.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

that’s why i used “overwhelmingly likely,” not “guaranteed.”

i didn’t know we were talking specifically about the extreme outliers

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its an extreme outlier

everyone is part of a curve. some people work for slightly more the minimum, some people work for slightly more than that, some people work for waaaay more than the minimum.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm talking about the choice

people who have the choice to live affluently, but choose to live in poverty because they prefer smoking pot and playing call of duty or whatever are extreme outliers. almost all people in poverty would move to middle class income if they had the opportunity

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

among single people?

I would think its higher than you think. there’s definitely an inverse relationship with age.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's infinitely easier to work when you're single

I have no obligations, I seriously have nothing better to do on a Monday-Wednesday.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what's thursday-sunday?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

see, so you only work part time

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Well no

Thursday is mostly spent realizing that I’m not in college and I can’t go out because I work on Friday because I do work full time. Friday is spent counting down the hours till I get enjoy myself.

But Monday-Wednesday is productivity heaven because I can’t do anything better if I wanted.

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by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

it doesn’t get much better than thursday nights in college.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

what an asshole.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Travel hockey, football, baseball etc.

Two incomes is necessary for us, and it still gets tight at times.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hockey is ridiculous

if you don’t mind me asking, what costs more, hockey or education?

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

probably education, but its close.

New breezers and a stick in the last month, and 400 bucks is gone. Although he’s paying for the stick, as we refused to dump $250 for a stick. The travelling is what kicks your ass though. 1-2 nights in a hotel twice a month, plus food, gas, etc…..it adds up pretty quick.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean normally.

if i have to come in on a saturday and do 4 hours of work once a month…whatever.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You serious?

My friend just got a job with KPMG and travels every week and is happy if she’s home at 5:30 on a non-travel day

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

#lifeinthebigfour

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not where this belongs!

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren't you studying to be an accountant?

Also, if you needed to support your family and pay your mortgage you’d work 6+ days a week if it came down to it.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yes and correct.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

ya busy season is gonna be 55+ hrs a week

at least

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by BVHeck on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

my brother's an accountant

and 55 is a light week for him

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No kidding.

Year-end and tax time, those guys work insane hours.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not fang though, he'll be home by 4 on friday.

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by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

not big four and not tax will curb most weeks like that.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really know what sort of position or company you're looking to work for.

From what I’ve seen, even if you’re working internally for a modestly-sized company you’re still going to putting in a lot of hours. I see it over and over again. Accountants never seem to go home.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

this

every year my brother says he’s not going to work as much and every year we see him less and less. I don’t think it’s quite what he thought it was going to be.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll work long days and long weeks.

and get paid like i should. and i won’t bitch about it. i’ve never denied that, simply given my opinion.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

assurance has just as much work to do at year end

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

year end, sure.

tax season, not so much.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

financial year end

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I was in this thread last night.

Not much of white collar america works a 40 hour work week (except for the underperformers).

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

you realize you're talking to someone that used to work 80 hours a week for free?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rui has to work off his mom's sacrafice

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

low blow

Oh……wait…..

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

heh. heh heh heh

you’ve never worked in IT, I suppose. if shit breaks, it has to be fixed. there’s no overtime for me (your tax dollars hard at work), but i sure as hell’ll get fired if i don’t get off my ass and get to work.

i could bitch about it and find another it job, but the 40 hours-a-week gigs are generally pretty shitty for other reasons.

> tebow

by cschepers on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

hell'll is the best contraction ever.

Right up there with wouldn’t’ve.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you're well intentioned

but this is just a naive post. That’s simply not the way the world works.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Reading the rest of this thread

just reminds me what the median age for commenters is. I really don’t mean this or want it to be condescending but a lot of the comments in here are reflective of the fact that people simply don’t understand what a corporate-salaried position is like.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i don't get paid overtime, either

but i am hourly, so i get paid more. salary jobs are kind of a scam

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean, on average

actually the salaried employees where i work get nice benefits including unlimited paid vacation time. we also all work essentially when we want aside from having to be there in time for the morning stand up meeting

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

unlimited paid vacation time

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a job with unlimited paid vacation...

I ended up on a beach in Brazil for six months. It got so monotonous I eventually crawled back to the office and demanded to do something.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that part is nice

no idea how competitive the salary is, though. my hourly rate is relatively kind of bad

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no such thing a free lunch

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

what the hell are you saying?

unlimited paid vacation? unlimited?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, unlimited

i’m sure it would be frowned upon if it was abused, though

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlimited paid vacation time?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i think any consecutive period of more than a week needs approval and they ask that you be mindful of deadlines and such, but it’s kind of nice.

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously, WTF

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the unlimited paid vacation.

sign me up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wish I could get a piece of that action.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure not getting time and a half after 40 hours is against the law.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

nope. It all depends on job classification.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i think that only counts for employees

i’m a 1099 contractor. i could be wrong, though. the office hasn’t been open for 5 consecutive days since i started there due to all the holidays, so i haven’t encountered this yet

by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

oh okay.

i’m not completely sure, but i know there’s laws in place to guard against stuff like that.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and there are also loopholes in place,

to allow those to be worked around.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

well salaried workers for sure.

but for hourly?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I've worked an hourly job,

that I was required to work at least 5 hours of overtime per week, and for that time I was paid 1/2 (half) time. And it was completely legal. I quit as soon as I could.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

well of course you did. that's bullshit.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much any white collar job is exempt from the Fair Labor stuff

If you have a degree, you aren’t getting time and a half. Contracting firms exist solely to farm out labor to a handful of companies so that they are “contractors” and not “employees”. And it’s a good thing that exists, most people needing to work hourly-pay jobs post-grad are going to want to work more than 40 hrs a week seeing as how it gives you more money.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

hourly/salary isn't the standard

sometimes secretaries get paid a salary. they still get overtime.

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Most Naive Subthread of The Year.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   5 recs

Collapsible threads!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

nice quote
I think Mark McGwire deserves somebody somewhere to stand up and say enough. He doesn’t deserve what he’s been put through. He deserves someone to say what he cannot.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear! Hear!

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I really liked what was said about Ken Boyer.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

in short,

Gehrig, Ripken, Rose, Cobb, Ted Radcliffe, Henderson, Charleston, Jigger Statz, Brooks Robinson (in that order)

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gehrig played all those games in a row because he was a badass...

Ripken did it to top Gehrig. This is one of those records that is seriously diminished by getting to go second.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

As the link said (in reference to Gehrig),
It took a fatal illness later named after him to end his consecutive games streak and drive him from the game.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

so badass

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

So what’s your criteria for “one of those records”?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Ted Williams was also on there

7th

I wanted to play baseball!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

was there a second part?

I’ve been singing that song for the last 20 minutes…

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Jan 4, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know 'bout you guys,

but i’ve spent about a half hour every night before bed watching 2011 Cardinals Postseason related videos. This one struck me as funny:

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19960563&topic_id=25589992&c_id=stl

This is a man who has just achieved the highest goal you can reach as a professional baseball player, and he is just about as flat and unenthused as you can be. At around :30 he glares at a teammate for splashing champagne in his face. I for one am glad to be rid of his grumpiness and monster contract.

Sorry if we are done talking about Pujols, this might be my first post. Also, I have never been more excited for a Cardinals season as I am about 2012. Win (it all), or lose, let’s have fun out there! WOOOOOOOOO

Rip it up and start again

by good cut good cut on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

well I'm done complaining about Albert but I love watching WS videos.

This one was spectacular. And I agree, I am very excited about this next year. I think everything worked out for the best.

Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!

by spfldbird on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It would've been better if he had signed an extension in 2009 for 6/162...

that would’ve put him just behind ARod in terms of AAV and locked him up through age 38. Plus it would have protected him against a Ryan Howard-type injury just prior to free agency.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, It was great watching the best player in baseball be a part of the cardinals and I will miss that.

But the whole “pamper Albert’s every whim because he’s so moody” is hard to take and I bet many of the other players are relieved not to have to do it anymore. I know I’m exaggerating his moodiness and how it impacts the team but for instance, I was really concerned that Albert would have undue influence on team decisions like the next manager, etc.

Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!

by spfldbird on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't seem grumpy, just uncomfortable

understandable, with champagne in your eyes.

But, the unforgivable sin is mentioning Corey Patterson among the midseason acquisitions.

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Jan 5, 2012 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh...
Alyson Footer @alysonfooter Close
Luhnow had a get-to-know-you breakfast with Biggio this morning. Two-hour session. Talked a lot about Biggio’s ideas for the club.

Also, Luhnow now gets to work with Milo Hamilton. I’d take Dan, Al, and Ricky over that.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Question for the folks who understand the math . . .

How well does WAR correlate with actual wins? That is, if after any given season you add up all the WARs (using whichever version of WAR you find theologically orthodox) for each team’s roster, and add to each sum the presumptive wins achieved by an all-replacement roster, how closely do the sums approximate the teams’ actual wins?

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

the correlation is about .83

For FanGraphs WAR.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Which seems low, but you have to remember that WAR is context neutral

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's actually higher than I expected

but still pretty sad.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

well you want the correlation to be somewhat low

if you wanted a high correlation to wins, you would just use wins. The point of WAR is not to estimate team wins, but to estimate how many wins a player would have been worth on an average team.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like, though

that “wins above replacement” ought to correlate strongly with something real. This doesn’t seem much more informative than traditional Pitcher’s Wins.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Colin Wyers has addressed the one-stop über-stat

over at Hardball Times.

How to measure a player’s value (Part 1)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually if you added up pitcher wins, they would have a 1 correlation with team wins

which is why pitcher wins suck for evaluating individual talent.

The point of WAR is gauge how many wins a player would have added if you took his rate statistics and put them in a league average lineup. You can try to correlate that to something, but I’m not sure what.

League WAR = league wins.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a very good answer! So you can't validate it at the team level.

— But damnit, you have to validate it somewhere. It’s not enough to say “the point of WAR is to gauge how many wins” &c. If you’re going to call it “wins”, somewhere along the line there needs to be some sort of validation that it in fact measures wins and isn’t just a Rube Goldberg machine for assigning grades.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It has a .83 correlation to actual wins

That’s really high.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

My earlier statement was in reference to stuff like OBP and SLG and their correlations with runs scored, which is in the .90s I believe

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by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Well I’d imagine a good chunk of that error is strictly going to be in the defensive stuff (Carlos Lee being +11 might be .05 alone), and then the leverage effects, hitter interaction effects, bullpen chaining etc.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, wait ...

I’ve just been told that correlation is meaningless.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not it's not meaningless

Here are the differences between WAR wins and actual wins:

WAR wins assume league average value for all events, with actual wins the events for each value will vary based on the context (baserunners, score, outs) and they won’t add up to league average.

So you would like to see some correlation, but not too high. A .83 correlation is a .6 R^2 about, so that means the variation in WAR explains 60 percent of the variation in wins. I don’t know exactly what the correct correlation should be, so I can’t tell you if that’s a good correlation or not.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd definitely like to see higher IMO

Better defensive stats(!), better accounting for bullpen effects etc.

Then again on the other side of the ball, hitters’ stats are probably too “accurate” correlating to runs/wins e.g. wOBA treats a rocket shot HR pulled back by the CFer as worse than an Aaron Miles rocket shot in between the pitcher’s mound and SS.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, because we know WAR isn't accurate

due to defense and stuff, and even positional values (which I have no idea how you would test). So we know the correlation is too low, but we don’t know what it should be.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But shouldn't most of those in-game contexts pretty much wash across a full season?

On the other hand I can see that WAR’s summing runs created/prevented blurs the correlation because that’s an element of team context that WAR doesn’t appear to address

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by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

(Going away now to think about this. Thank you.)

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by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Teams outperform their “Pythagorean” based on runs scored/allowed by up to like +/- 7 games.

WAR is effectively only going to be “predicting” in any sense runs scored/allowed. That’s probably at least 2/3 (WildAssGuess!) of the error right there.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone understand this tweet by Maury Brown?
I feel sorry for those working, and rooting for, the #Astros. And I’ll leave it at that.

LINK

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Because the Astros are terrible?

Or you think it has something to do with Luhnow?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My first thought was the tweet was addressing how horrible the Astros are.

But I’m wondering if Brown is attempting to comment on Luhnow. I wasn’t sure if anyone here would know whether he was.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it has to do with the organization's terribleness.

Also, possibly having to work under Crane (?).

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it is a couple reasons

Mostly because the team got shipped off the AL West and loses all it’s NL history. Rangers and Angels just both got huge TV contracts so they will be on the short end of the stick out there.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

FOUND OUT WHY

NYT LINK

Maury Brown, who has written extensively on the Crane situation for Forbes magazine and his BizofBaseball blog, said the accusations by the E.E.O.C. were "the 800-pound gorilla" in the room when Selig and Crane met last month in Milwaukee after a vote to approve Crane was tabled at an owners meeting in August. "Crane flew to Bud, and Bud got comfortable," Brown said.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. I figured he was making an inference.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

EEOC? SEC, wasn't it?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the article says his company was being investigation for pattern/practice of sex and race discrimination

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

BAHAHAHA

His spokesman has called the agency’s investigation a "shakedown."

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking of the marlins.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, shit.

The Continental –
I just returned to Austin, only to discover that there was a CD I missed when attempting to install the drivers for the Wacom graphics tablet.
Despite it warning that it was only good for Windows and Macs, I put it in anyway, and it ran perfectly. It’s now downloading all the necessary drivers.
Seriously?
Moral of the story: if you are compiling from source on no sleep at 1-2 in the morning, put it aside and go to bed (especially if you decide to start messing with the kernel). You aren’t nearly as coherent as you think you are.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, good deal.

Yes, I’ve gotten better at figuring out when it’s time to walk away from something before I fuck it up.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, and he's going to the bullpen

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No no no

he’s going to get a bulldozer.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And Kyle can't have one

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see why you wouldn't want to encourage Lohse to use a Bulldozer

but KMac seems mentally sound

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He already has one of those.

He’s getting a backhoe and 3 super sweet custom ATVs.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

do we like it?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

bitch.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He wants a new one:

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor kid...
dfreese23David Freese

Kid asked me at Whole Foods if I was Adam Wainwright. Said I wish.. rightfully so. Then said are u sure, u look like him. #wishihadthatcurve

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow, kid is confused

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That is so awesome.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

that was for 2011.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

F'n calendars.

Well, it’ll likely be a similar date this year. All-inclusive tickets are available now.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

though i’ve always wondered why they wait on single game tickets so long. maximize season/partial/all-inclusive/ticket pack sales?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it's exactly that.

Ticket sales is kind of dicey, actually. They’d prefer to sell Section 145, Row 4, Seat 11 as a season ticket, so they’ll wait and hope it sells. At some point they have to try to sell it another way, eventually falling to single game tickets.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

which is kind of weird since season tickets are discounted.

though i guess the guarantee that it’s going to have an ass in it for 81 games it worth it.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

TVM!

actually, that’d be an interesting study that i guess is answered by the fact they do it they way they do. is section 145, row 4, seat 11 more valuable as a season ticket at a discounted rate + TVM or is it more valuable as a higher priced single gamer – TVM benefit – chances it might not sell every game

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

On the topic of calendars, all of my reports at work are effed up,

because some asshat programmer decided that last july is a better parameter than july 2010. I would love to talk to the jackass at adp that designed this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

lil Dunc...

stop whining about Busch III not having a roof.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jan 4, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

Has anybody seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptc-tinbEfQ

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

sweeeeet!

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I love how MLB was able to poke fun at themselves

I never liked the “million miles away” commercials and thought they were corny. But the rally squirrel version was hilarious.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That was good

I also enjoyed the Hilter rant about the Cubs season that was on the page when I opened the link.

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

German-Irish, I presume?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone read Goold's book?

If you have read it, and if there were a comment that said, “Goold’s book” would you rec said comment?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

wat?

I liked his book. I have no idea if this is responsive to your question.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I have it, but have not read it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's good

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I just accused of being one of those “people that knows baseball”, and it wasn’t in a complimentary tone. That just cracks me up.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

Knowing stuff is bad for your health.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What's funny about it is that it was a Cubs fan that said it.

He was lipping off about Pujols, so I smacked him with some facts that he didn’t believe. Of course, he’s also the guy that argued with me about GABP playing like a bandbox. Are all Cubs fans just brain-damaged? Well, I have two nephews that aren’t, they were brainwashed by their grandfather on the other side of the family.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Can’t go with my standard “Baseball is hereditary” line here without insulting your family.

There is something very… wrong about Cubs fans for sure.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

they'd be Cardinal fans if they had grown up around here.

Right now I have to keep my wife and her family from turning our son into a Red Sox fan. Her dad sent a sleeper that looked like a Red Sox uni for Christmas. My wife said I turned three shades of green.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

if I do that then I'd lose even worse.

at least this way I’m around him everyday and can maybe deflect it. Her dad loves to stir up shit.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you hotline him?

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

felt like it

I know the old bastard was chuckling his ass off. I’ll give him a break, his wife’s a fruit loop and his son is a piece of work. So if that gives him a jolly, I can’t really hold it against him.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

this would only make sense if they were not a baseball fan

but I have a feeling they are

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping he would post here

but… Tango wrote me a quick email concerning this topic

The non-linear argument doesn’t hold.
But the playoff-sweetspot argument is fine.

Tom

by Xeifrank on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

that kinda lost me with the playoff-sweetspot bit

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Reply to this post. Sweep spot (playoff) was the 82 win team adding a few wins vs a 67 win team adding a few wins.

by Xeifrank on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, so by the rules of sweet spot

some teams should pay for wins exponentially and other teams should pay for wins negative exponentially. and some should pay exactly linearly. so it evens out.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

by the rules of sweet spot

if there are rules, a team that thinks it is on the brink of being good enough for the playoffs should have a higher $/WAR than let’s say a team like the Astros or Athletics. But the problem is even if you think a team is an 82-85 win team it does not mean they will really win that number of games because of the noise in a single season sample size. They could actually win anywhere (realistically) between 74-93 games based on variation. Where this really manifests itself is at the trade deadline when teams have a better idea of how many wins they are on track for, certain teams are more willing to pay more for a player via trade than others. Everything is still linear.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

ah. thanks.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is really random...

But anyone know where you can find any cool skill crane machines in St. Louis? Like the kind you put a quarter in and use the claw to try to scoop out a stuffed animal.

Need a cool one for a photoshoot.

Squish.

by Squishmytomato on Jan 4, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

There's a Denny's a few miles from downtown that has one

just off the 44, think it was in crestwood. We had breakfast there driving home from the airport with my denny’s-loving dad last month.

I have no idea why I remember that, except that I always feel compelled to play, but never do.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Today's dumb sentiment that I can't stop reading on the internet

To paraphrase, it goes something like this:

LOL THE CUBS ARE GOING TO PAY $16M FOR CHRIS VOLSTAD
Sunk costs: hard to understand.

by mojowo11 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah...

the fact that they didn’t trade him 2-3 years ago when someone might’ve paid a more significant part of his salary was pretty dumb on Hendry’s part.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he did have a NTC

So that, at least partially, sort of forced them to wait until it all went to shit for him in Chicago.

by mojowo11 on Jan 4, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

huh, a player with a no trade clause was traded

I thought that was unpossible!

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He would've waived it...

they suspended him and then sent him to the pen. This is the kind of treatment Westbrook deserves.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing that that kind of thing is hard to pull off with a productive player

The Players Union would flip the fuck out, and it would be a massive PR problem for the team and likely damage their reputation as employers. At least with Westbrook it would be a case of there just happening to be a much better option available (this is after we sign Oswalt and Rich Harden, of course).

by mojowo11 on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just finished The Accidental Sportswriter and the three Batman graphic novels I'm getting tomorrow won't last me long

Need a new book or two to get into. Heard good things about the new Stan Musial bio by George Vecsey and October 1964. Anybody read the new Satchel Paige book by Larry Tye? Any others to recommend? Not restricted to sports books, just in general.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

sounds like some good reads there, read October 1964 and throughly enjoyed it.

Try, The Pitch that Killed by Mike Sowell, about Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in 1920 or 21, also has some good history on the Indians and the “Grey Eagle” Tris Speaker.

by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

shift+A

did we sign roy oswalt yet?

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

aughhhhhhhh

what is this?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What sorcery is this?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So, if the robot flips out over avatar changes

this could cause an aneurism.

(No, Oswalt not a Cardinal yet)

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

oh hell no.

You log out and back in with the proper username.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   5 recs

rec'd.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me, we already have a poster who's initials are IHB

please get the fudge out.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oops

guys, its me!

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Mario?

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i thought it would be a simple solution to the fact that i don't really care about brendan ryan anymore

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

you either change that shit completely or you stick with the original.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

what? says who

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

me. UID of 468

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

but there's nothing wrong with your name

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

(Other than cardinals don't have fangs...)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Any more

Now that a certain person who hopes all his fangs still loves him has left

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i know! but i get to tell you what to do.

do better. get “iheartcolby” or something.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

but i don't heart colby

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

IT WAS AN EXAMPLE, DAMMIT

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

his name was influenced by pujols, at least I think. so he should change it.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

no the "g" was the start of his last name

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

oh

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I always read it as fang, now I will have to say fangee

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

good job!

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Ignore fang.

He’s coming to terms with all the 65+ hour work weeks in his future. He’s a little disoriented right now.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

shush, peon.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

the old avatar would not have made any sense

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't believe this.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Art?

Danny!?
WCBW?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

seeya, art

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

dad?

You got back from going to the store for cigarettes 10 years ago?

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

nooooo

we can’t let the memory of Boog die.

Director of Decision Sciences
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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCKITY FUCK

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

simmer down nah

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

...sigh....

this is not going to work

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's okay.

I blame the robot.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

he was the one who told me to get a new avatar!

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

More proof it's his fault.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was a fine idea.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 1:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you were the only one, apparently

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I like it.

Everyone calls you that anyway.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

AHHHHHHHH

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

in retrospect i could have used this name to fake troll myself and that would have been pretty funny

"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein

by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

if you can post with that account

I can post with this account

Still a werewolf.

by cIank on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that's clever.

I think I missed this.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Mind

blown

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Aw, I thought that's what she did.

Would be kind of a shame to let the old account fade away.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i am surprised. i thought you guys would like the change.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

CHANGE BAD.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i fear change.

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

alright i won't change my name

just getting a little sick of it is all

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

just change it completely.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

why. i like IHB

it can stand for whatever you want

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

What, us?

VEB: THOSE CHARGES WERE DISMISSED.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If the glove don't fit....

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

talk about opening up a can of worms...

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I Hate Brewers

Insignificantly Hefty Bonus
I Have Bronchitis
I Hate Bronchitis
Immediately Have Burritos
Intermittent Head Blows

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There it is

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

why wouldn't you just go to Hammock Hut or Hammocks-R-Us, or

Put-Your-Butt-There, or Swing Low, Sweet Chariot….you know what, just go to the Hammock District

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

damnit

winner

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I Have Boobs?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

you should exercise more, then.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

hey, i get to second base everyday

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Internet Hotcake Brigade?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

the name change would be fine

but i need your name to remind me to keep Boog in my heart.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

why would you call me that?

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

also, people on the coasts don't like the south

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm right here, asshole

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

pop quiz

what’s Kentucky?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hell if I know

Baseball came from there right

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Several times

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

On a scale of 1-10, how small and Asian are they?

10 being smallest and Asianest. I’d put it at like a 9-9.5.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd say that's about accurate

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by mysterui on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

barely, hahaha!

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

anagram

keep i heart boog, your name, to remind me my need to but(t) in

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally OK with it. Good on you.

But hit up the mods to see if you can just change your old account instead of losing all your old comment history.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

paging bjork/dan!

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, do this

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

YESSSSSSS

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

flaggable

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That went well.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i should have known

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

now you can tell people the B is for Berkman

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 5, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

where is

the Yankee blog that has the predicted 2012 standings?

I just can’t remember the name.

by Harknights on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

You want predicted 2012 standings

I will give them to you…

NL Central (Wins)
1. Cardinals 95.68
2. Reds 87.15
3. Brewers 84.38
4. Cubs 71.26
5. Pirates 70.92
6. Astros 65.14

Here is what that Yankees blog has.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like we all agree on the Cards win totals

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

er wait, nevermind

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Replacement Level Yankees has:
TM	W 	L	RS 	RA	Div 	WC	PL
Brewers	92 	70 	700 	646 	52.5% 	14.3% 	66.7%
Cards	90 	72 	708 	648 	36.8% 	19.3% 	56.2%
Reds	84 	78 	724 	704 	10.1% 	10.8% 	20.9%
Cubs	74 	88 	649 	727 	0.3% 	1.1% 	1.4%
Pirates	70 	92 	656 	758 	0.4% 	- 	0.4%
Astros	60 	102 	569 	759 	0.0% 	- 	- 

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

OTOH, this projection was run on 12/13

pre-Beltran.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that Pre-Beltran

on the RLY blog? 12/13 was their last revision. Mine includes transactions of all teams up to yesterday (No Zambrano trade). I think that has to add a few wins to their total. I think their Brewers number is a little high and no way the Padres are an 81 win team. Of course my numbers have a few quirks here and there too.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

that was also about the time that Braun's suspension was leaked

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That's pretty screwy

The Cards are projected to have a higher Pythag than the Brewers, but fewer wins. Why would they project that?

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

it's within

the error bars of pythag. Especially if this is done via a monte carlo.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

CF

If tomorrow I could have my pick of Maybin or Rasmus I would select Maybin. I think he has more upside in relation to his current value.

I think Maybin is still developing offensively and his defense seems better than the Raz.

Lastly, Rasmus is neat but I discredit his value as being of equal or greater value to Maybin based on the bit of dramatics due to Colby’s interloping father…

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by Red Blazer on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

/deadhorsebeaten

I do like Maybin, but I think many around VEB are very interested to see what Rasmus does in ’12

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more interested in seeing what his dad does.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the rumor I heard.

Imissed the exchange, though. What’d you do?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

they got in a really bad blow up

im not sure what it was about, i skipped, know it got personal and mods stepped in

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

eh, no point in bringing out details

you can look at his/her profile and see the last comment made which was in response

by prophetjohn on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i stayed out of it

thought it was kinda dumb to be honest..there was a honest baseball discussion and then two guys started going at it..and then he was no more..

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

no. there was no honest baseball discussion going on that day.

VEB died that day.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

but anyway, what made me think of this

holy shit why do i have so many comments. i wonder how many of them are “wat” or correcting typos or whatever

i think my new year’s resolution is to not reach 50K comments

by prophetjohn on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a crappy new years resolution

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

no actually i had two

one was to learn a functional programming language and i don’t remember what the other one was, so i guess it wasn’t important. or maybe it was a cop out like “graduate college”

by prophetjohn on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You'll break that before Opening Day.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

he came back as Uncle Lights

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i was wondering if that was him

but he has been less snarky..

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

heh

no way that was Y2S

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

me too

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

looked him up last night

his last post was a response to you, you monster.

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by scoot on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Y2S! he's gone now! you can come out!

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

If it was his breath that offended you so

good news! he’s brushing his teeth!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

don't worry, he'll make his triumphant return as "Y2S"

and VEB will shit itself

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is something you would not be allowed to try (YWO)

lest we have another clank/chalk situation with you and JWO

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

he'll probably come back round season time, I reckon

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

we need a Y2S spotlight

he must be summoned

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I always assumed it was to say "unexpected"

But The Spanish Inquisition has logged in and posted recently. Everything is upside down now.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

hmm

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

that would make me sad

I wanted to play baseball!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone heard from Cgirl?

I fear she may not be enjoying the Orange Bowl.

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Saw activity on Twitter...

I think she witnessed the slaughter tonight in person.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

At least Illinois won its Bowl Game!

The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

the bowl system needs redone

if they are staying with bowls, make them in some sort of order..i would have swapped the bowls monday for tonight..bigger teams and games IMO than the one now, there should be build up as u get to title

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

the BCS sucks. the two-team per conference rule is complete garbage.

guess how many teams are in the true top ten that aren’t in the SEC, big 12, or pac 12? ZERO.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

"football"

might as well through the big ten in there too.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

but they could keep the BCS

and make small changes, liek say having OR WI tonight..itd be a simple change have your diluted bowl games early and your better games leading up to NChamp they used to do it that way i thought..

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Or make the games be on network television again.

I wasn’t able to watch Oregon-Wisconsin.

I LIVE IN OREGON

by mattisnotfrench on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously? it wasn't on fox sports nw?

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Alabama

has a 44 day layoff between last game and National Title game. That is a long enough stretch to have played 6 games in (one per week). That cannot be good.

by Xeifrank on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i dunno, its football

they are probably hurting a lot.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

They could have played a 7-game series with LSU.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Who the hell is Bryan Lahair?

MLBTR says Epstein is counting on him to start at first for the Cubs.

I first noticed him last year when I went to a Cubs/Cards game late in the year and he was hitting third and looked him up. His minor league numbers were pretty solid and he hit well last year (SSS) in the majors, but then I realized he’s 29!

Is he just a career minor leaguer? Or was he a guy who was an actual prospect at one time but got injured or something?

by mick311 on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

he was a BEAST in baseball mogul 2008

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

damnit the marlins signed zambrano? when did this happen

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

zambrano to marlins, cubs pay the whole contract ($18m)

get Volstadt back in return

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

wow

so….

wow

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

there should be a website where you can enter in the names of two different medications

and see if it is ok to take them together

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

Just call a 24 hour pharmacy.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

that is genius.

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

of course, now that i pick up the phone to do this, it seems a little sketch

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah.

Pharmacists are helpful.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Agreed.

Although if that existed when I was fourteen “Heroin” + “Drano” probably would have set off a red flag and robbed me of the best twenty minutes of my life. (Followed by the worst two months. Still, though.)

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

obviously you have to tell this story

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, it was but a joke.

I have lots of unpleasant drug-related stories I could tell, but none that actually involve both drain cleaner and heroin. I feel bad about myself now that I’ve let you down.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

you've let yourself down, rb

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I know.

Sigh. So many late nights, so many disappointments.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

wait what

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, people like to claim that street drugs are cut with all sorts of shit

rat poison and what not. they almost never are, though.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i mean killing your customers is bad for business

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I did know a guy who used to

cut acid with D-Con. He got taken down in a drive by after some customers found out what he was doing. Ended up in a coma for a couple months then died, if I remember correctly.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why he would do that

isn’t acid dirt cheap to make as it is? or was he just homicidal?

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Quick tip:

never try to ascribe really good logic to serious drug addicts.

And I honestly don’t know how expensive it is to make acid. I’ve only ever bought it and sold a little here and there years ago. Never tried to fabricate the stuff. Did download plans on how to synthesize LSD off of Usenet years ago, but never got around to trying the method out.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

acid is really difficult to make, as i understand

the chemicals needed are strictly controlled and not obtainable in stores.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

the only person i know of who allegedly does it

purchases the chemicals under the name of the institution he works for and uses their facilities at great personal risk. not for beginners.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

more often, powdered laxatives.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ewwwwww

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

jesus

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i did see this

it says no interactions exist. i don’t know that i believe that.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i guess we will find out if i'm dead tomorrow

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You'll be fine.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i tend to get a little paranoid when i travel

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you a drug mule?

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

i fear i've said too much

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i just worry that i will be unconscious or slip into a coma or something and no one will find me for days and by then it will be too late

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Well don't count on Boog finding you

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

WTF did you take?

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Twelve condoms full of cocaine.

Which makes sense, as I have no idea if latex and cocaine interact badly.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

House told me that condoms are used to smuggle herion

So I assume they are fine for cocaine.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

so I just googled "heroin cocaine condom smuggle"

with purely academic intentions (plus, an impish desire to troll a little bit), and immediately after hitting return, realized that might not be the best idea (being someone who averages 30K frequent flyer miles per year).

ho hum.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2012 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If you have a latex allergy

and a heart defect that could be deadly.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

You're right.

And those are THE ONLY CIRCUMSTANCES under which swallowing a dozen condoms full of narcotics could have negative consequences.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

on an unrelated note

how bad would it suck to have a latex allergy? especially like 15 years ago

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

It's still rough as shit.

Um, I’ll just leave the rest of my comment off. But it’s still tough to deal with.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

they make nitrile ones.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am allergic to it.

Started causing related food allergies while I was pregnant. It’s called Oral Allergy Syndrome.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

nothing yet!

i got some xanax from a friend to help me sleep, but i have a terrible cough and want to take some robitussin. paranoia is by definition not sane.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't put the good stuff in

Robitussin anymore, do they? You’ll be fine.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

they do. actually i had to show my ID when i bought it

i have never had to do that before

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa.

We used to drink that stuff for fun.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

that's why

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

some robo has codeine and requires a prescription

a good swig should put you out

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by sportsman on Jan 5, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

skip the xanax and get some robitussin PM.

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well i'm in a hotel with limited gift shop options

they had nyquil but it was $17.99

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

wait, so being sure if you'll wake up isn't worth

$18?

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i bought the robitussen earlier and i wasn't thinking and now the gift shop is closed

yeah, i would love a do over. maybe i’d be asleep by now

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

this is fodder for a crappy eulogy

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

were they both prescribed by the same provider?

Because if there is an interaction, at least we could sue someone. A lawsuit is a fitting tribute.

Seriously, you should be fine.

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you at home or staying in a hotel?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm in a hotel, which fuels the paranoia

i’m just going to try to sleep normally and see what happens

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, here's what you do.

Go to the nearest Walgreen’s, buy the cheapest alarm clock you can find. Take it back to the room with you, set it for a few hours after you plan on getting up, then turn the volume up as high as it will go.

If you wake up as planned, just turn the alarm off so you don’t have to listen to it. If something happens to you and you don’t wake up, the enormously loud alarm going off will piss off everyone in neighbouring rooms and the staff will eventually bother you to try and get it turned off. If you don’t answer, they’ll have to enter the room and find you before you’ve lain there in a coma for too very long.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOORRRRRRR

Ask for a wake-up call.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

They don't come get you

if you miss a wake-up call, though.

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by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yeah, first steal all the money in IHB's purse

then call the paramedics

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant to protect the hotel & employees.

What if she booby traps the room?

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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Sounds like a Saw thing to do

first tell the hotel to let someone into the room if the patron doesn’t answer, then boom – horse tranquilizer to the chest.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I would bet there is too.

I have a feeling they would want some kind of waiver at the very least to avoid something unfortunate by bursting into your room while you’re masturbating with a belt around your neck.

Still, I suppose if you’re really concerned about death signing a waiver wouldn’t be too terrible.

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by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

these are all great ideas guys

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by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Advice is what we do best.

Need to know how to avoid going undiscovered for days in a coma in a hotel? Just ask your imaginary internet friends!

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

what? you guys are imaginary too?

thought I was the only one.

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by purple_haze on Jan 5, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

kids, there's no such thing as safe autoerotic asphyxiation.

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by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

..
I don’t want to go into too much detail but… you choke yourself with a belt around your neck while masturbating dressed up like Batman or something, then you pass out from lack of air and apparently it makes your orgasm super awesome..

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Tjere probably is

I know my dad used to have a book on that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

there are several

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 5, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching Futurama for the first time since truly joining VEB, I can't look and think of Bender the same.

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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 2:45 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

punto wanted a speech

link

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by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 4:33 AM EST reply actions  

Just to troll you guys a bit

I can’t beleive i have to do like 6 hours a week of uni next semester! Why is my life so hard?

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by Aranathor on Jan 5, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions  

Name Suggestions

I need a new name for a new year. This was just a name from other various blogs, mainly racing and doesn’t really fit here. That said, I can’t think of a good one. And yes, I know in 4 years I’ve contributed virtually nothing except for the Despicable Mo ’shops but I still visit most days. Ideas?

by paposse on Jan 5, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

despicablemo ain't half bad

already have the avatar..

> tebow

by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 8:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Ooooh... just realised you are one of the fabulous March 15, 2008 join date.

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by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

What's up with that date?

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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If you signed up the day before,

you got an UID. The 15th, the new SBN launched, and UID’s ceased to exist.

Not that I’m bitter or anything.

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by RiverRat on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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