WAR! What Is it Good For? (And How Much Is it Worth?)
Howdy, y'all.
I hope you will forgive the rushed nature of this post, but I find myself with a bare amount of time in which to try and compose something. My apologies.
You know, I was in my automocar yesterday afternoon, flying across the alkali flats of Fenton, when a particular ad came on the radio. The ad in question is, I suppose, more of a public service announcement than a proper advertisement, warning against the dangers of buzzed driving. (Apparently it is the same as drunk driving, according to the Ad Council.) Anyhow, there's a pair of young women driving home from a party of some sort, partially inebriated. They're joking about the lame pickup lines guys at the party tried on them, giggling merrily, when suddenly the sounds of screams and crashing kicks in.
After the apparent crash, the girl driving asks her friend if she's alright, and the other girl starts crying and moaning about her broken arm. The driver gives her the, "I was only a little buzzed," defense, at which point the passenger decides she much be alright, then, cheers up, and apparently resets her arm. Of course, it doesn't last, the girl rebreaks her arm and starts wailing away, everyone winces at the sound effect and feels bad for the injured party, and the tagline comes in about not driving buzzed. It's a fairly effective spot, and the voice actor playing the injured girl does an especially nice job conveying both pain and panic.
There's only one problem with the spot, at least for me. The passenger who gets injured is name Becky, and when the crash occurs the driver turns to her and says, "Oh my god, Becky. Are you all right?"
Here's the problem: when she says those first four words, "Oh my god Becky," I actually experience this Pavlovian response mechanism and my brain immediately follows those words with, "Look at her butt." Of course, once that happens the rest of the song kicks in and the message of the PSA is completely lost in my adolescent giggles. While the voice actress playing Becky is vamping her heart out telling the world how much her arm hurts, I'm thinking of the circumstances under which my anaconda (shout out to Roy Halladay), don't want none and missing the point by a fairly large margin. It negatively impacts the effectiveness of the spot for me.
Does anyone else have this problem?
All through the offseason, more than I can ever remember before, there's been a lot of discussion about player value centered around WAR. You know, such and such is worth X amount of wins, wins are valued at Y dollars apiece, ergo the player in question is worth Z per season and his contract is a good or bad one.
This has gotten me to thinking, and since I'm short on time and ideas today I thought I would throw this out there. I understand the concept behind the cost of adding marginal wins. In a given year, teams spend so much per win across baseball. The number takes into account good contracts, bad contracts, and those that come in right at market value. It's not a perfect way to look at valuation, but it's certainly good enough for those quick back of the envelope calculations we all do when we see what a given player got.
But I've been thinking lately that this method of player valuation really underrates great players and overrates mediocre ones. We know that not all wins are valued equally; i.e. there's a certain spot on the quality curve where it's very cost-effective to buy wins and other places on the curve where the cost is too high for the benefit gained. But we sort of accept that players are valued very linearly, when I don't know that's a very good way to look at it.
Say for the sake of ease that a win this year will be 'worth' $5 million. That means a player posting 1.0 WAR should be worth $5 million, while a player posting 3.0 WAR should be earning $15 million on the open market. It makes sense, right? You expect to spend $5 million per win on the open market, the player worth three wins is worth thrice as many wins as the first guy. Simple equation.
Here's my problem, though: there are certain advantages gained with a player worth a large number of wins on his own, largely in the form of the smaller percentage of the roster he takes up. There's also a problem of scarcity, in that players worth five wins simply aren't as available as one win players and thus represent a much more in-demand commodity, driving up the relative price.
Ignoring the scarcity aspect for a moment, think of the roster bit this way: say you have five players, all worth 2.0 WAR. League-average players, in other words. Now, on the other hand, consider a pair of 5.0 WAR players in place of those first five hypothetical guys. In the first example, you have 20% of your roster producing 10 wins. That leaves you with 80% of your total roster space to add additional quality. In the second roster example, you have just 8% of your total roster producing those same 10 wins. Simple subtraction, you still have 92% of your roster left to try and add wins to your team. Given that the size of MLB rosters has a concrete limit, there's an opportunity cost to taking up more roster spots to add a similar amount of value. In the more balanced roster posited above, you simply have fewer opportunities left on the roster to improve the team than in the top-heavy model.
Given the value of concentrating quality into fewer roster spots in terms of an opportunity cost, I wonder if players shouldn't really be valued in a linear fashion, but rather exponentially. In other words, as we look at it now, we know a 4.0 WAR player is twice as valuable as a 2.0 WAR player. What I'm suggesting, though is that such a viewpoint undervalues the four win player due to the extra roster spot necessary to equal the value that single player provides. In other words, while we know a player worth four wins is going to produce twice as much value as the two-win guy, the four-win player is actually worth more than twice as much as his league average counterpart and should be valued as such.
There's an issue of scarcity here, too, in that the higher you move up the wins-per-season ladder the more difficult players are to find. A guy worth 6.0 WAR is so much more rare than one worth, say, 3.0 WAR that, again, I think those extra wins should actually be valued more highly than the wins the lesser player provides.
That scarcity works in reverse, as well, of course. Players worth one win are common enough -- and add little enough value relative to the amount of roster space they occupy -- that they shouldn't get full credit for that single win they add. Both the 6.0 win player and the 1.0 win players take up the same 4% of the roster; the excess value provide by the better player shouldn't be subject to the same linear calculation as the below-average production from the other player is.
There is another side to this, in that the potential downside of receiving the bulk of your production adds to the possibility of catastrophic failure due to injury or simple poor play. If your 2.0 league-average guy gets hurt or just falls off a cliff, you're talking about a much smaller percentage of your overall production down the tubes for the season than if your 5.0 WAR staff ace goes down with Tommy John surgery in spring training. (Not that that has ever happened, of course.) Concentrating the value also concentrates the risk, much like a stock portfolio built on just a handful of high-growth holdings. So there is definitely a point against my thought that high-end players are worth exponentially more than lower value players.
Even so, given the larger risk of losing a huge amount of production in one fell swoop, I still think on balance the concrete dollar amount per win method of player valuation tends to underrate those players capable of producing a large amount of value from a smaller percentage of the roster. You should never, ever pay anything beyond league minimum for replacement level, but then the first win above that is immediately worth just as much as the win value a given player produces above, say, league-average level. I tend to think that's overvaluing a relatively commonplace commodity, while undervaluing a significantly less common one.
Then again, perhaps the market already corrects for this and I just don't realise it. After all, there are plenty of one- to two-win players who sign for peanuts in any given year due to health concerns or just the simple crunch of needing a job as spring training approaches. There are people on other boards I've seen scoffing at Edwin Jackson's current contract demands, when his career performance record suggests he will be worth what he's asking in all likelihood. The perception of him as enigmatic and perhaps a bit of an underachiever may very well drive his price down below what he'll be worth, in which case he would essentially serve as a balance against some other contract which overvalues a mediocre player.
I also worry I'm conflating two somewhat unrelated ideas in that the market value for a win is determined by what teams across the game spend in a given year, while player salaries and valuation are much more subject to individual vagaries. Perhaps directly equating the value of a player to what the market says his production is worth in a given season is a mistaken premise from which to start. Still, it's something that's been kicking around in my head recently due to the thrust of so much of our offseason discussions and I thought it would be suitable for a quick (though not so quick now; looking at the word count below this I've rambled on far, far longer than I had planned on), Wednesday discussion thread.
In the end, I'm not really arguing for paying more per win; rather, I wonder -- though in a rather vague sort of way -- if the first win or two worth of value you receive from a player shouldn't be much less valuable than what we think, while those wins you receive from players like Matt Holliday or, dare I say it, Albert Pujols should be placed on a sliding scale, with the fifth and sixth wins worth far more than what we give credit for.
So this is my question to you: do you feel like a linear style of player valuation, in which a player worth five wins is worth exactly five times as much as a player worth one win, is the most accurate and useful method? Or do you feel an exponential valuation, in which higher-quality players are worth more per win beyond a certain number would be more reflective of how valuable said players actually are?
Feel free to tell me I'm way off base here; I'm no economist and there's a whole lot of stuff going on here that probably makes my initial hypothesis a poor starting point. But it's January, there is no new news, and I wasn't quite ready to start on my draft reports for 2012 yet. (I'll likely start those either next week or the week after, mid-ish January seems to be about the time I need to start to get a solid number of them done.) So here is this rather long but poorly thought-out post for you to consider and perhaps argue over.
Have a nice Wednesday, and I shall see you all again next week. Take care.
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Another thing in the same realm
When a team is projected at 90 win team shouldn’t each additional win be valued higher than market value. Because each win greatly increases your chance at the playoffs. I think Nate Silver wrote an article about this way back when.
Yeah, I thought about marginal value of a win too
Like if you’re the Nats, and you think Prince Fielder gets you from 83 wins to 88 wins, you’re probably much more willing to pay a lot more than $5 million for WARs 3, 4, and 5. Adam LaRoche at 1B gets you the first two wins, but going from 83 to 35 probably doesn’t get you into the postseason.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's Birnbaum referencing the work by Silver in Baseball Between the Numbers
Link.
So there should be a bump in the value of a win in the playoff range. According to Nate Silver, in chapter 5.2 of “Baseball Between the Numbers,” the 71st win is worth less than $1 million in revenue, the 105th win is worth less than $1 million in revenue, but the 90th win is worth $4.5 million.
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I've been thinking about this since Azru's post on setting expectations for the core.
In the post on the Cardinals’ signing of Juan Encarnacion, lboros commented:
but smart organizations don’t pay $5m a year for three years for league avg guys. smart organizations find those guys for $500k.
In this post, you write something that I feel is very similar in sentiment:
Players worth one win are common enough — and add little enough value relative to the amount of roster space they occupy — that they shouldn’t get full credit for that single win they add.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think about this problem often, and your view makes intellectual sense (as well as the utility of a marginal win)
however, in practice it is much harder to show that $ to wins isn’t linear. Excellent, excellent discussion of the topic here (math warning):
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/is_this_line_linear_or_polynomial/
I think this is an excellent discussion topic. Not sure we can pinpoint an answer.
Essentially, the money is linear, but the difference is found in the length of the contract right?
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that seems intuitively true, but i don't actually know
more reading: http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/value_of_scarcity/
essentially the takeaway is this:
People talk about premiums for the single superstar, but when it comes down to it, the wiggle room will basically be 0.25 wins.
So, you hear complaints that you can’t just add two players’ 3 + 3 WAR to match to two other guys at 5.3 + 0.7, but when you ask for a specific equivalent, you basically end up with a deviation of at most 0.25 wins.
Therefore, we can all acknowledge that it’s not a perfectly straight linear relationship, but if you can accept a 0.25 win deviation, then a straight line does the job.
(this is from my first link, but is in reference to my second)
also, one commenter disagrees with the premise but i have no idea what this means:
As far as focusing on the issue at hand, it is interesting that this thread commenced with a canned fit of some unspecified data to a 4th-order polynomial with an associated R^2. Wouldn’t a spline have done? Wouldn’t it also be maximally useful in this situation to pinpoint the domain of maximum nonlinearity? That would seem to be a more useful exercise in this context than the speculation on approximation sufficiency.
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new director of player development does, I have no problem with it.
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by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently you aren't familiar with Decision Sciences...
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a go:
The initial fit (the 4th order polynomial over the entire range) was an arbitrary choice to model some undisplayed data points (that definitely don’t fall exactly on the line). The post then asks if that particular fit looks linear in some regime. The commenter points out that the choice was arbitrary and so drawing any significant conclusions from the fit itself may not be useful.
The spline option is an alternative way to fit the data in which one uses different functions to fit different chunks of the curve, so you might use a quadratic fit between 0.2 and 0.5, but a linear fit from 0.5 to 1. This type of function would highlight regions where the data appears to be linear, and other regions where it seems to have significant deviations.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Does anyone know how the Pythagorean Formula for baseball was derived?
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I'm guessing lack of potential mates had something to do with it.
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by CodyG on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
james was the first to come up with it, but i think davenport found coefficients that better fit
I think what you are looking for is here: http://gosu02.tripod.com/id69.html
Holy crap that's hard to read
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It's in Baseball Between the Numbers
Bill James, then Baseball Prospectus changed the exponent, then Patriot/Rally made further modifications to the formula on how to get the exponent.
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Using math.
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by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A Formal (Re)derivation of James' Pythag Theorem
Here’s a technical reference paper I’ve been using for some 5 or more years that goes directly to your question RUI. Although this is not the original derivation, the author’s independent (re)derivation is quite beautiful and fairly rigorous from a mathematical standpoint (warning: serious “maths” involved). He also does a fair job referencing sources. Find the PDF here: http://web.williams.edu/go/math/sjmiller/public_html/math/papers/PythagWonLoss_Paper.pdf
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh good
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
That's IT!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
ok that was good
i didn’t understand it all but I could tell it was well presented. I love math.
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That's an interesting idea. Awesome players are worth more
Because you get that performance out of 1 roster spot instead of having to use 2 or 3 roster spots to get the equivalent WAR. So Pujols is worth 5 WAR by the stats, but 6 rWAR (roster WAR).
err I think that's similar to what we're talking about.
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intro piece on it
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/1/19/1943398/the-genesis-of-wwar
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and mainstream
i prefer hipWAR
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by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is conflating the two issues.
WAR, as a measurement, is an attempt to directly measure impact on the game. It’s calculated on how many bits of a probabilistic run you save or score during each play.
$/WAR is simply an attempt to price out the free agent market (which has historically priced free agents in a linear fashion) based on contracts signed.
Saying that someone should be more valuable in terms of $$$ absolutely should not impact how many WAR they are worth. You would simply want to price WAR in a non-linear fashion.
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nah
so much WAR has to do with who is on the team
extremem example
how many WAR is pujols worth on a team that has all other players at replacement value?
answer—not much
extreme is he walks every time because the other players are crap
so he has no rbi, no runs scored, etc
also, i think the WAR-$ curve is actually inverted
the highest $/WAR tend to be in guys who produce very low WAR
my favorite example is jrey and miles (or equivalent)
and jrey got more per WAR than pujols (even in real average dollars) based on next year’s contract and last year’s WAR
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Wrong
WAR is context neutral. RBI and runs scored are context-driven stats, based as much on the performance of other players as on the player driving in the run or scoring the run. Having a low runs scored or RBI total would not negative impact a player’s WAR.
Also, if Pujols walked every time, he’d be the most valuable offensive players in baseball history. Bill James wrote an article on this, comparing the player to Babe Ruth.
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
do you have that article?
I wonder how that value shifts from a team full of average players to a team full of replacement players. For instance, at the extreme (like a lineup full of me, for instance), walks are essentially worthless because I will strike out everytime.
It's in
The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract and can be read here, I think.
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't a "replacement level" lineup in the WAR sense, but it might be close.
The lineup James surrounded Ruth with for the simulation was pretty bad.
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the question.
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
There are tons of arguments to be had along these lines
but in the end, the linear relationship tends to hold up empirically. I think it’s probably because there are plenty of forces on both sides as well as enough noise to render any fit with more than linear complexity hard to support. That said, here are a couple more arguments that I’ve always found interesting related to this:
- Concentrating WAR increases the likelihood of maximal performance There’s a flip side to the risk of putting all your WAR in one player which is that you’re more likely to get all of than you are if it’s spread over multiple players. If you have one 5-WAR player vs five 1-WAR players, you’re more likely to end up with 0 WAR at the end of the day (catastrophic injury of one player is more likely than catastrophic injury of five), but you’re also more likely to get 5 WAR (complete health of one player is more likely than complete health of 5). Generally speaking, these types of risk seem likely to be worth taking when the goal is to win a championship.
- On the opposite side of RBs point (and of my first bullet) is lineup construction. If considering two consecutive lineup positions, I’m willing to bet that having 3WAR-3WAR is more valuable than 5WAR-1WAR. There’s no question that overall offensive success is cooperative (non-linear) wrt run scoring in the extreme cases, but in practice, we tend to see the linear part of the curve. That said, I think there’s an argument to be made for lineup balance.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've been thinking about a post on the post-Pujols lineup,
comparing it to the “Albert Pujols & the Seven Dwarfs” lineups of his peak. I’m still grappling with the structure, though, but it was basically going to be your two bullet points. Now, I guess I don’t have to.
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by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see some exposition of them
particular the second point. I’ve been too lazy to mess around with a simulator to look at it directly, but it wouldn’t be too hard to test the hypothesis.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
it is also budget
how many WAR can you afford
as i said above a 7 WAR guy amongst a bunch of losers is not as valuable as a 7 WAR talent on a good team (if that person could even muster 7 WAR on a bad team)
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This is not true
A 7 WAR player is a 7 WAR player, regardless
If the other 8 lineup spots are replacement level
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Re-reading
I may have missed your point
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120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"you're also more likely to get 5 WAR (complete health of one player)"
I don’t agree. Not all 5 have of the 1 WAR players need to be healthy to get 5 WAR. Some of them can out perform.
Also, your 5 WAR player can be injured and deliver less than 5 but more than 0.
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by pattimagee on Jan 4, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pretty much my thoughts when scrolling down.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Roy O in the pen?
does he have the stuff to come out of the pen? I dunno if i would pay for him what hell get to come out of pen, however it’d be great insurance well above Kmac should someone go down.
because TLR
why would he be in the pen for the amount he's going to be paid?
it doesn’t make any sense.
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Yeah
There’s no reason to pay him 1 year $10 M to be in the pen, and if we offer less, he can make more elsewhere starting
There’s literally no way he’s in the pen for us
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Sort of like paying Westbrook $8M to be in the pen?
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If we sign oswalt
He better be starting
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Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He hasn't signed a contract
Lets imagine he takes 4 million so he can finally pitch for the Cardinals. Could he come out of the pen then?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 4, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it Oswalt want's to pitch for the Cardinals so badly?
Because we won the WS and could repeat, have the aura and legacy of the Cardinal Way, great and knowledgeable fans, best baseball blog community site ever, or is it just the pies?
Or is he jealous of the relationship Halladay has with Carp?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
He misses Berkman
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
wants to relive 2005?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
He wanted to come here in 2010 before we had either of them.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
was going with the joking flow
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
/humor fail
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
/he want's to come here now as well and both players are here fail
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
They were conspiring a la lebron/wade/bosh
and chose the Cardinals
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't that just frost Albert's balls
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's like a Henderson
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
On a mission from the GOB's
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
if we are pursuing him
this would seem quite possible. And then he could just happen to prove that he merited a starting slot during spring training.
Exactly...
we have five pitchers. Honestly, saying they’re interested in Oswalt as a relief pitcher is even more ridiculous than the idea that JuanEnc might be a “core guy.”
Sign Roy O
Dinosaur fetish.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 4, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Laughter occurred.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
...
Dunno, its not that i want the Cardinals to sign him (at least not in his current projected form; 30 yr old RF looking for big contract). However, if he plays good not great for the next two years and the Cards are looking for a RF, i would give him a look. But there’s every chance that a team that is looking to be ready to compete in a couple of years, rhymes with Zicago Zubs, would sign him to a massive albatross contract, providing hours of hilarity.
Bursting into song.
Hm
Isn’t our outfield kind of crowded already?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
In Britain, they play with five outfielders and three infielders.
Except the outfielders play on the infield and the infielders play in the outfield!
I think there’s some cultural differences that we need to overcome.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
They also run clockwise around the bases
It’s the weirdest thing
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, but I honestly am not sure how many roster spots we have left for this year
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Why would we think Pence would outperform Craig?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Jan 4, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because Hunter Pence is an All Star!
but seriously
Pence has two years on Craig, but he has played 4 full seasons, to Craig’s 0. Pence has wOBA’d above league average every year, career high last year, albeit playing alot of that in Philiadelpia. And Pence is an above average fielder, which Craig probably isn’t.
If i had a choice between the two, i’d take Pence every single time.
Bursting into song.
Pence is funny-looking
and anybody saying he’s a good defender hasn’t spent enough time watching him play. He has a decent arm, but as funny-looking as he is, he’s even funnier-looking stumbling around the outfield.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
You know who else was funny looking in the OF

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 4, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I've never notice the clever hilarity of the sign above Cruz missing the ball saying "Now that's positive energy"
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Complete with the "highlighted" letter e
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is funny
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
and an energizer bunny!
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
why isn't this green?
In the future, I for one, welcome our new Aaron Miles overlord.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 31, 2011 12:30 PM PST
by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'll add my two cents here
1) As All4tookie linked to above, on average, dollars per WAR are paid for linearly by MLB teams. Now that doesn’t prove that value is linearly, nor does it say anything about the specifics of each signing.
2) Bracken’s points are both valid. Putting all your eggs in one basket increases the odds of getting higher value overall (because you can theoretically get higher than replacement level production for replacement level money), but it also increases risk. And its definitely better to have a more balanced lineup as well.
3) I wrote a post a few years back on Pennants Added. The takeaway is that in this current format, the playoff value of wins to an average team is basically linear.
Now that’s only for the average team. The value of a win depends entirely on where you fall on the playoff curve and how many roster spots you have to fill. If you are an 85 win team with one roster spot left to splurge on in FA, dollars per win should absolutely be non-linear. Adding 6 wins increases your playoff odds exponentially more than adding 3 years (consult the logistic regression graphs in that article). On the other hand, if you are the pirates, adding a 6 WAR player essentially has no more value than adding a 3 WAR player, so it should nonlinear the other way.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Welp I submitted an application to MLB Fan Cave
I figure, what the hell? Maybe I make the semi-finalists and get a big fan-vote push to be one of the 6 finalists who go to the fan cave.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions
Is it any coincidence that there's an advertisment for a DUI/DWI injury attorney next to the "Becky" story?
Oh my God, Becky – don’t call Thomas J. Henry!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
better call saul!
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think that this is overcomplicating things a little bit.
Since teams do not have an infinite payroll, pricing players non-linearly necessitates that you have less to spend among the other positions. The “opportunity cost” that RB is driving at is mitigated by the actual economics of roster construction. That is to say of teams price 5 WAR players non-linearly and spend all their money on two of those players, they may be economically constrained in a way that prevents them from capitalizing on the alleged “opportunity”.
Secondly, this comment:
There’s also a problem of scarcity, in that players worth five wins simply aren’t as available as one win players and thus represent a much more in-demand commodity, driving up the relative price.
I don’t think this is actually true. Tangotiger has written about this numerous times. You just don’t see the scarcity of those players actually driving up the relative price. Whether it should or not would speak more towards the opportunity cost point, which I think is overstated (at least for small market teams).
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I thought something kind of similar whilst reading this
If for example a player with a history of putting up 5+ WAR seasons consistently comes on the FA market (like say, Albert Pujols), then even if $/WAR and oppurtuinity cost (like RB was referring to) say that this player should recieve a monumental sum they still won’t because of other things. There is, it would seem, an accepted upper limit to be paid for superstars, ~$25mil, obviously SSS. Thus, what seems like it should be an exponential-thing (lack of Maths knowledge really starting to show) is limited by economic factors.
Bursting into song.
You Blues fans may get a kick out of
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if that was Chris Carpenter
that guy would be minus a few fingers right now
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jan 4, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I remember actually seeing that during the game
Isn’t that George Parros, noted pugilist?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
OT: shrinking a baseball hat
Does anyone know of a good way to do so?
My wife got me the NL Champs hat for Xmas – link, and I quite like it – however, the band is elastic and says “one size fits most” (you can guess the rest of the story from here). It’s maybe half a size too large…
The only thing I’ve found on the Interwebs is to soak it in a bucket of water and then wear it on my head until it dries. I’d like to believe there’s a better way however. Has anyone got any other ways they’ve had success with?
Most of the one size hats don't really shrink much (by design)
I’ve had a couple one size fits most hats for like 8 years and they haven’t shrunk a bit. The water thing is probably only going to work with the authentic style hats.
Not afraid to nitpick
you might be able to stuff a folded slip of paper towel or something
inside the band around the inside. this works with a fitted hat that is too big, but I’m not sure if there is a place to put it in a one size fits all hat.
this doesn’t actually shrink the hat, but could make it fit.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Poke a hole, just above the elastic band and wrap some yarn around the the band in a perpendicular winding fashion until the band fits your head
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I have a WS one
Its a bit too small.
Anyway I know in the military the guys who wear berets will shower with their beret one for weeks at a time until its form fitting.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Grow an afro

Coco Crisp says hi.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they did have to give Holliday one
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do the soak/wear thing with any hat I get. Helps it mold to my grotesque, misshapen head.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I almost choked to death on absolutely nothing laughing
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 6:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Watching Tosh.0 once, I choked on my laughter so much I passed out
In my defense, it was a brilliant and sublime montage of puking.
I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Puking montages often are
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How high were you?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You reckon TLR has a new job opening up?
Joe Torre has officially resigned from his executive vice president position with Major League Baseball while his group pursues ownership of the Dodgers.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
Aranthor, your post plus your signature is unintentionally hilarious.
Unless you burst into song at the thought of Joe Torre buying the Dodgers.
And honestly, who among us doesn’t?
I see Rally Squirrels everywhere I go.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
'Aranathor'
But anyway
I am the very model of a modern Dodger general
I have information pitchitable, hittable and fieldable
I know the kings of baseball and i quote the games historical
From ‘58 to ’99 in order categorical
I am very well acquainted too with matters sabermetrical
I understand the metrics, both the average and replaceable,
About baseball realignment theorem I’m teeming with a lot o’ news,
…
With many cheerful facts about the reloaction of the astro-oose.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Jan 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Chorus:
WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE
WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE
WITH MANY CHEERFUL FACTS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE ASTRO-OOSE
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
rhyming 'lots o news'
with Astro-oose. Lyrical genius. Watch out DanUp!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
It's the British Baseball Blog Invasion
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
For e His a Henglishman
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Have you met aranathor, because he loves breaking into song.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Get it?
Do you?…..cuz he’s gay
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
I couldn't have awkwardly over explained the punch line better my self.
Very good sir!
Bursting into song.
I do what I can
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heyman speculated that TLR may be offered the job.
(for the extremely little that it is worth.)
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I suddenly had this odd image
Of Zambrano, in a red fury, trying to stab Ozzie Guillien with a Marlin. Weird…
by JWO on Jan 4, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
still more funny cubs news
The Cubs will take on much of Zambrano’s salary and are “not expecting to receive much back in the way of prospects,” David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com writes.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Heyman says the cubs are getting
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Heyman says the cubs are getting volstad back
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're buddies, IIRC.
Didn’t Big Z get in a bunch of shit for having dinner with Ozzie after one of his blowups?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and jose reyes and hanley ramirez.
Needz moar brett myers and gerald laird. Fisticuffs for everybody!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, I think this is a clear win for the Cubbies.
While Zambrano has clearly been the better pitcher in his career, it is my belief that Zambrano is at a Tom Cruise level of crazy – or further – and at 31 is beyond his best years. He is also being paid over $15M next year by the Marlins (taking away the $2.5M they’re being given by the Cubs. Not only that, but Zambrano has a $19M vesting option for 2013 that could kick in for the Marlins. The Cubs may not pay Chris Volstad more than $10M for the next 3 years of arbitration years (of course they hope to because that would mean Volstad was awesome for them) whereas it could be a 2-year, $34.5M contract for the Marlins and Zambrano!
Also, Chris Volstad’s K% and BB% are moving in the correct direction, he had a better FIP than Zambrano last year, a better WHIP, and a better swinging strike %. Lastly, Volstad will be in his age 25 season next year and is just entering arbitration this year. Including the $2.5M that they gave the Marlins, they will almost-assuredly have to pay Volstad less than 1/3 the cost of Zambrano.
by stlfan on Jan 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After now reading the post jump part, it's an interesting thought, and one I've wondered my self in the past
You also have to remember that while winning always sells more than anything, a players popularity among a certain ethnic group or a player being truly elite will always bolster marketing. The thing that kills me is we are in a circular thought process. We could factor in things like of a player is saving you roster space to for more WAR in or if the WAR gets you higher to 95 or 105 wins and make this a little more accurate, we could factor in that a team needs pitching or will get a greater upgrade at a position because of who is on the roster currently, but either way you would have to start and mostly hinge on a linear value core and then base the rest on team budget, need, and risk.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think the most important thing to remember about WAR
is that it is a good guideline, but does not necessarily mean one player is better than the other, unless it is a drastic difference.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's important to have though
The key to contracts is what do you need, what can you afford, and how value does it give you. My point is that $/WAR analyzes the value well irregardless of it it is linear, scaled, or on a curve. What you need to evaluate beyond $/WAR is not more in depth analysis of the value but rather analysis of need and budget
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, I looked back at what to wrote so I zcould best reply to the reply
And I’m surprised of Anton can translate some parts of that. Sentences were properly constructed in my brain, could have been spoken well, but we’re typed with incredible inaccuracy that destroyed them even making sense
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone could translate*
Fucking autocorrect
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Somehow, linking to this feels wrong.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
yes I understand but it is worth the read.
that explains some of the conversations…..
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
It does feel wrong.
But they also posted this after Chass wrote his bullshit about Musial.
So, I say they’re still cool.
(Side note: The Chass hitpiece only happened last March? Gah, seems like two or three years ago.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
bravo, Baron
this was actually a pretty clear post, even though it was a bit rambling. very interesting idea… me feeling is that only players that have demonstrated being healthy or consistently playing a lot of games should be subject to the exponential curve.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions
Nope.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's too much to read.
I have stuff to do.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can wait until the movie comes out.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
...
…
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
sigh.
OK, fine.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
wuss
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I have a thing for trigger happy blondes
and no willpower.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I read it on the bus
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
nothing to see here folks
move along
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
LOL
6:25pm: The Cubs will absorb all of Zambrano’s $18MM salary less the MLB minimum, tweets Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions
They just want him gone.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
This Miami team keeps getting more and more interesting
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Player personality fueled collapse
waiting to happen
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Zambrano is infatuated with the new HR deal at Marlins new park and want's to be first to break it in
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
ZambranoGoHoRo?

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So magical. So awesome.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Can you blame him for wanting the move?
He’s the best HR hitting pitcher in the show
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
he has the most HR of any pitcher since Bob Gibson retired in '75 with 24.
Crybaby Carlos has 23.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
He'll be ringing that monstrosity like a bell, to bad he won't work on pitching in between batting practices
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
ZambranoGoThroHoRo
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
God, I love that contract.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's even funnier when you consider that the Cubs are basically paying $18 million for Chris Volstad
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
In Wrigley field
homer prone and struggles against left-handers, as MLBTR’s Mike Axisa pointed out earlier in the offseason.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
he gave up 2.16 HR/9 last year to lefties
One of Berkman/Beltran hits a HR off him in his first start against the Cards. Book it.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
This might be
The biggest contract a MLB team has ever eaten. Anyone know of a bigger one. at least AAV?
by JWO on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
You mean in a trade?
cuz the Cubs are still eating Soriano’s contract.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
rec'd
very good sir
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking that throwing $18M away is almost historic
This even dwarfs deals like the Julio Lugo trade.
by JWO on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
They're only eating about $18 million...
I think the record amount of salary for a guy who was flat out released (not traded) was, at one point, $24 million by the DBacks for Russ Ortiz.
In terms of trading a guy and paying his salary, the Rangers got stuck with a bunch of ARod’s contract. Mike Hampton also comes to mind.
Sign Roy O
The Rangers would've eaten $67 million of A-Rod's deal had he not opted out.
Instead, they were on the hook for “only” $46 million.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
adjust that to $71 million and $50 million.
The Rangers also paid another $4 million in signing bonus money owed.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
for 2 seasons totaling $12.9 million
The Rangers would have been better off keep A-Rod and letting him opt out after ’07
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Does Carlos Beltran fit in here somewhere?
Aren’t the Mets still paying him a ludicrous amount?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
No...
he fulfilled his deal and reached free agency. I don’t think any money even changed hands when he went to SF.
Sign Roy O
i think the mets ate about 4 million out of 6 million bucks.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
plus they got wheeler
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
The mets still owe him a bunch of money, but it's deferred money...not really the same thing
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
He's not even remotely in this conversation...
he was gave the Mets what they paid for and brought them a top shelf pitching prospect at the end of the deal.
Sign Roy O
thats my point
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
How much of Vernon Wells' contract is Tortonto still eating?
Or is Arte choking all of that down his throat now?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
they only ate $5 million. That's it.
No, seriously….that’s it.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
That sucks
for Anaheim!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
They have Abreu, Hunter, and Wells all looking to get time in the OF and at DH
When they have younger, cheaper, and better options in Bourjous (spelling?) and Trout literally begging for at bats. They kind of screwed themselves by trading for Wells.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Abreu turns 38 in March
and his D has been atrocious for awhile now. I’m betting he’s gonna be at DH more than the other 2.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 5, 2012 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
joey bombs signed with the cubs
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions
Shouldn't we be calling him Joey Wristinjurysappedpower by now?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 4, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
joey pffft
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
by spfldbird on Jan 4, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we'll always have Joey Slides
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Ashamedly, I did not remember who Joey Bombs was, so I Googled it, and found a Youtube video titled Colby Rasmus and Joe Mather whose description reads
I believe these boys have a shot at the show. Joey Bombs did have a taste in STL this year.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
heh.
on Clubhouse Confidential they use WARP. And for those that are interested they are having a HOF vote roundtable discussion.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions
I was watching
I’ve never seen Clubhouse Confidential before, but I like it. I also like Brian Kenny.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
He was cutting Jack Morris no slack.
I think he’s wrong about Lee Smith, myself. I think if those other guys got in then he should too. Better strike out rate by almost a full SO/9.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
WARP?
Is that like VORP and WAR combined?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Engage
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
basically
They just had to throw the ‘Player’ on the end for the statistically challenged.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
someone at BP was the one that created the stat, I believe
they named it WARP, and then it was eventually trimmed down to WAR, with some people still using the ‘Player’ designation
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
BP calls it WARP
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
12 hour workday!
Booooo! I don’t even have billable’s or any of that other shit.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
hire an assisstant (ambitious and capable or hot, your choice) then tell payroll your boss said you could hire an assistant
when your boss asks whats up refer to the assistant as an intern. what could go wrong?
and we won the world series.
i'm usually close to 11 every day once you count my commute
i could leave earlier, but it wouldn’t matter; i’d just sit in traffic. i guess i might as well get paid for that time
Austin traffic is awesome.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Houston gets such a bad rap about traffic
DFW and Austin are the same nightmares.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Today I discovered a neat trick
You can skip Mopac and 35 altogether and take 183 to get to the airport in under 30 minutes during rush hour from Far West. Today didn’t suck!
Still not a werewolf.
I-35 is the reason I have no problem using the toll roads to go north/south over there.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Don't know about Houston but hated driving up I35
Its like a driving a loop with all the on and of ramps right through town
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
at least houston has enough lanes to accommodate the drivers
houston is full of terrible, assholish drivers. austin just has more traffic than the roads can handle
On the topic of Texas (but not traffic)
We spent the week after Christmas in a vacation home in the Hill Country. I forgot how gorgeous it is out there. You were right.
Still not a werewolf.
Whereabout?
We’re taking the kids out there for Spring Break and staying here in one of their cabooses.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Near Wimberley.
Two Christmases ago we stayed at a house in Marble Falls right on the lake. It’s one of my favorite traditions.
Still not a werewolf.
then don't work it.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
This guy's never had a real job
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
tongue in cheek, but thanks.
though i kind of actually believe what i said.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm coming up on 40 hours this week, we have a game on Saturday, but I haven't finished my scouting reports
I just stop?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
stop bitching, maybe. there's two ways to think about it:
1. if you like your job and think you’re getting paid maybe more than you would at a cushier, definitely only-40 hours/week and/or hourly pay job (ie you think you’re getting paid to get the job done no matter how many hours it takes), then good for you. i hope you’re happy with your job and the increased pay, but you lose the right to bitch about it.
2. if you’re working unpaid overtime that you think you’re not getting paid for in other ways, then yeah, you should quit working at 40 hours or, really, quit your job. if you’re not enjoying working overtime it’s more likely you’re not enjoying working your first 40 hours anyway.
i know you’re going to call me out on being a little black/white on it and that there’s not many choices for most “in this economy” but still.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, work for yourself Rui, not for anyone else!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
wat
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
only work extra if it benefits you
not just because you feel that you have a duty to finish your work.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not getting fired benefits you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah of course
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
you do have a duty to finish your work.
but if you’re not getting paid for it other ways (utility from other benefits, having a higher salary than you think you would otherwise, etc) then you’re essentially working for free.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
you should work for how much they pay you
I think we’re agreeing on this.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
yes. okay fair enough.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I will save this post for 2 years from now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i worked 45 crazy hours at the office last week.
i know what it’s like.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
There are some weeks you just get hammered with work, that's out of your control
Or anybody’s, really. We could have a Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday schedule next season where I’ll be working 60-70 hours. I don’t think that means i can’t bitch about it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
do you enjoy your job? do you like what you get paid?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
The answer to both is yes
And some weeks still really suck.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"rough week at work" would be acceptable.
“i hate that i don’t get paid overtime” is not.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Where did anybody say that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
"hahaha like i get paid for overtime"
was a bit tilted toward the latter.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
It was more of an expression of disbelief
at how little the non-working commenters on this board understand.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
45?
That’s been a light week for me for the past six years. 50+ hours per 6 day week is pretty much normal, anymore.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i enjoyed it because i got paid more.
and i’d never work six days a week. ever.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
ok.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Your expectations are ridiculous
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
he's still in college,
the real world hasn’t slapped him in the face yet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well you guys have families/wives
if you don’t have a family there is little reason to work anything more than the minimum.
Chitown, for example, works part time and rooms with people IIRC.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Those two things are very related
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
what do you mean?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, nothing important
Just that if you work part time, you HAVE to room with other people most likely
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah I agree
that’s just another way to work less while still having enough money to eat and have your own bed.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe to you.
While I was single, I wanted to make money. As much of it as I could. So that I could spend said money on multiple tophats and monocoles.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes, but you have to provide for them
so you’re minimum work hours increase.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
sorry?
she can work, too. and then we have two incomes and it becomes cheaper than being single. also, hopefully, you’re not making only the amount of money that is necessary to keep you breathing. if you are, then yes you will have to work more hours to have a family
yes, if you're wife also has a job, then you work less
but having a family costs more money than not having a family. not sure why you are disagreeing with that.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not saying that more people cost more than fewer people
i’m saying that it’s not 1950 and most families aren’t one-income households
i never disagreed with that
but even if your wife works, you’ll still have to work more to provide the minimum for a family (if you have kids).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes
if you current amount of work provides only the minimum for the x family members, you will have to work more to provide the minimum for x + 1. that’s common sense. hopefully most people are not in the situation.
Okay, I don't what you think my original argument was
But I’ll say it again:
If you are single and you have no responsibilities outside of yourself, you should work enough to eat and sleep, and then balance extra work with what you really want to do in life.
If you have a family you have a duty to take care of them and provide a certain quality of life, so you will need to work more, and you’ll probably have to end up sacrificing what you really want to do in life (although at that point, it’s most likely going to be taking care of your family).
So, IMO, don’t overwork yourself when you are single.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
i thought you meant the minimum required by the job
i don’t think working 16.5 hours per week is a reasonable expectation for most jobs
i also have no desire to live at the bare minimum level. i want nice computers and fancy cars. maybe your argument is that if i want to maintain that lifestyle while having a family, i have to work more. i suspect that its’ unrealistic to expect to maintain your single lifestyle once starting a family
Well you can get a part time job
Although that’s definitely difficult depending on what line of work you are in.
I agree about not living on the bare minimum, but you have to balance working with free time or else there is no point to that extra work.
My argument is that even if you are a lazy bum who only wants to live on the bare minimum, once you get a family you have a moral responsibility to work more in order to provide for them. You’re minimum increases drastically when you get a family.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
i think if you are just getting by
it’s overwhelmingly likely that it’s not by choice and that you would make more money if you could. given that, it’s probably pretty irresponsible to start a family when you’re in that position. (assuming family means kids. moving in with a long-term partner who also works will make things cheaper)
right, you have to prepare to have a family
but there are definitely people who, by choice, are just getting by. because some people will value working the bare minimum more than most other things in life.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
yep
that’s why i used “overwhelmingly likely,” not “guaranteed.”
i didn’t know we were talking specifically about the extreme outliers
I don't think its an extreme outlier
everyone is part of a curve. some people work for slightly more the minimum, some people work for slightly more than that, some people work for waaaay more than the minimum.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
i'm talking about the choice
people who have the choice to live affluently, but choose to live in poverty because they prefer smoking pot and playing call of duty or whatever are extreme outliers. almost all people in poverty would move to middle class income if they had the opportunity
among single people?
I would think its higher than you think. there’s definitely an inverse relationship with age.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's infinitely easier to work when you're single
I have no obligations, I seriously have nothing better to do on a Monday-Wednesday.
Not afraid to nitpick
what's thursday-sunday?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Alcohol and the disappointment of as many women as possible
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see, so you only work part time
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well no
Thursday is mostly spent realizing that I’m not in college and I can’t go out because I work on Friday because I do work full time. Friday is spent counting down the hours till I get enjoy myself.
But Monday-Wednesday is productivity heaven because I can’t do anything better if I wanted.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah...
it doesn’t get much better than thursday nights in college.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
what an asshole.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Travel hockey, football, baseball etc.
Two incomes is necessary for us, and it still gets tight at times.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hockey is ridiculous
if you don’t mind me asking, what costs more, hockey or education?
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
probably education, but its close.
New breezers and a stick in the last month, and 400 bucks is gone. Although he’s paying for the stick, as we refused to dump $250 for a stick. The travelling is what kicks your ass though. 1-2 nights in a hotel twice a month, plus food, gas, etc…..it adds up pretty quick.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i mean normally.
if i have to come in on a saturday and do 4 hours of work once a month…whatever.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
You serious?
My friend just got a job with KPMG and travels every week and is happy if she’s home at 5:30 on a non-travel day
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
#lifeinthebigfour
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is not where this belongs!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Aren't you studying to be an accountant?
Also, if you needed to support your family and pay your mortgage you’d work 6+ days a week if it came down to it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
yes and correct.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
ya busy season is gonna be 55+ hrs a week
at least
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
my brother's an accountant
and 55 is a light week for him
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
Year-end and tax time, those guys work insane hours.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not fang though, he'll be home by 4 on friday.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not big four and not tax will curb most weeks like that.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really know what sort of position or company you're looking to work for.
From what I’ve seen, even if you’re working internally for a modestly-sized company you’re still going to putting in a lot of hours. I see it over and over again. Accountants never seem to go home.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
this
every year my brother says he’s not going to work as much and every year we see him less and less. I don’t think it’s quite what he thought it was going to be.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
i'll work long days and long weeks.
and get paid like i should. and i won’t bitch about it. i’ve never denied that, simply given my opinion.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
assurance has just as much work to do at year end
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
year end, sure.
tax season, not so much.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
financial year end
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I wish I was in this thread last night.
Not much of white collar america works a 40 hour work week (except for the underperformers).
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
you realize you're talking to someone that used to work 80 hours a week for free?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rui has to work off his mom's sacrafice
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
low blow
Oh……wait…..
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
heh. heh heh heh
you’ve never worked in IT, I suppose. if shit breaks, it has to be fixed. there’s no overtime for me (your tax dollars hard at work), but i sure as hell’ll get fired if i don’t get off my ass and get to work.
i could bitch about it and find another it job, but the 40 hours-a-week gigs are generally pretty shitty for other reasons.
> tebow
the correct decision is to rob a bank
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
hell'll is the best contraction ever.
Right up there with wouldn’t’ve.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I know you're well intentioned
but this is just a naive post. That’s simply not the way the world works.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Reading the rest of this thread
just reminds me what the median age for commenters is. I really don’t mean this or want it to be condescending but a lot of the comments in here are reflective of the fact that people simply don’t understand what a corporate-salaried position is like.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't get paid overtime, either
but i am hourly, so i get paid more. salary jobs are kind of a scam
i mean, on average
actually the salaried employees where i work get nice benefits including unlimited paid vacation time. we also all work essentially when we want aside from having to be there in time for the morning stand up meeting
unlimited paid vacation time
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I had a job with unlimited paid vacation...
I ended up on a beach in Brazil for six months. It got so monotonous I eventually crawled back to the office and demanded to do something.
Sign Roy O
yeah, that part is nice
no idea how competitive the salary is, though. my hourly rate is relatively kind of bad
there is no such thing a free lunch
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Unlimited paid vacation time?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah
i think any consecutive period of more than a week needs approval and they ask that you be mindful of deadlines and such, but it’s kind of nice.
seriously, WTF
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
and i mean, i can take unlimited vacation, but i don't get paid for it
only the salaried employees. i’m just like you guys
the unlimited paid vacation.
sign me up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Wish I could get a piece of that action.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure not getting time and a half after 40 hours is against the law.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
nope. It all depends on job classification.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i think that only counts for employees
i’m a 1099 contractor. i could be wrong, though. the office hasn’t been open for 5 consecutive days since i started there due to all the holidays, so i haven’t encountered this yet
oh okay.
i’m not completely sure, but i know there’s laws in place to guard against stuff like that.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
and there are also loopholes in place,
to allow those to be worked around.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well salaried workers for sure.
but for hourly?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I've worked an hourly job,
that I was required to work at least 5 hours of overtime per week, and for that time I was paid 1/2 (half) time. And it was completely legal. I quit as soon as I could.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well of course you did. that's bullshit.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much any white collar job is exempt from the Fair Labor stuff
If you have a degree, you aren’t getting time and a half. Contracting firms exist solely to farm out labor to a handful of companies so that they are “contractors” and not “employees”. And it’s a good thing that exists, most people needing to work hourly-pay jobs post-grad are going to want to work more than 40 hrs a week seeing as how it gives you more money.
Not afraid to nitpick
hourly/salary isn't the standard
sometimes secretaries get paid a salary. they still get overtime.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Most Naive Subthread of The Year.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
the ten most durable players of all time
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions
Nice read & thanks for the link..
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I especially liked the inclusion of players I've never heard of before
reminds that baseball is far from just mlb
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
reading this one now
http://baseballpastandpresent.com/2011/12/11/50-baseball-players-hall-fame-version-2-0/
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
nice quote
I think Mark McGwire deserves somebody somewhere to stand up and say enough. He doesn’t deserve what he’s been put through. He deserves someone to say what he cannot.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hear! Hear!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I really liked what was said about Ken Boyer.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wish I could click on comment links from within this app.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
in short,
Gehrig, Ripken, Rose, Cobb, Ted Radcliffe, Henderson, Charleston, Jigger Statz, Brooks Robinson (in that order)
Still not a werewolf.
Gehrig played all those games in a row because he was a badass...
Ripken did it to top Gehrig. This is one of those records that is seriously diminished by getting to go second.
Sign Roy O
As the link said (in reference to Gehrig),
It took a fatal illness later named after him to end his consecutive games streak and drive him from the game.
Still not a werewolf.
so badass
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
So what’s your criteria for “one of those records”?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 5, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ted Williams was also on there
7th
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
was there a second part?
I’ve been singing that song for the last 20 minutes…
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
Don't know 'bout you guys,
but i’ve spent about a half hour every night before bed watching 2011 Cardinals Postseason related videos. This one struck me as funny:
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19960563&topic_id=25589992&c_id=stl
This is a man who has just achieved the highest goal you can reach as a professional baseball player, and he is just about as flat and unenthused as you can be. At around :30 he glares at a teammate for splashing champagne in his face. I for one am glad to be rid of his grumpiness and monster contract.
Sorry if we are done talking about Pujols, this might be my first post. Also, I have never been more excited for a Cardinals season as I am about 2012. Win (it all), or lose, let’s have fun out there! WOOOOOOOOO
Rip it up and start again
by good cut good cut on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST reply actions
At least he was glad he helped this organgizationg win 2 WS
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
well I'm done complaining about Albert but I love watching WS videos.
This one was spectacular. And I agree, I am very excited about this next year. I think everything worked out for the best.
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
It would've been better if he had signed an extension in 2009 for 6/162...
that would’ve put him just behind ARod in terms of AAV and locked him up through age 38. Plus it would have protected him against a Ryan Howard-type injury just prior to free agency.
Sign Roy O
yes, It was great watching the best player in baseball be a part of the cardinals and I will miss that.
But the whole “pamper Albert’s every whim because he’s so moody” is hard to take and I bet many of the other players are relieved not to have to do it anymore. I know I’m exaggerating his moodiness and how it impacts the team but for instance, I was really concerned that Albert would have undue influence on team decisions like the next manager, etc.
Who's got it better than us? NOBODY!
He didn't seem grumpy, just uncomfortable
understandable, with champagne in your eyes.
But, the unforgivable sin is mentioning Corey Patterson among the midseason acquisitions.
Cards fan in Middle East
Heh...
Alyson Footer @alysonfooter Close
Luhnow had a get-to-know-you breakfast with Biggio this morning. Two-hour session. Talked a lot about Biggio’s ideas for the club.
Also, Luhnow now gets to work with Milo Hamilton. I’d take Dan, Al, and Ricky over that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Question for the folks who understand the math . . .
How well does WAR correlate with actual wins? That is, if after any given season you add up all the WARs (using whichever version of WAR you find theologically orthodox) for each team’s roster, and add to each sum the presumptive wins achieved by an all-replacement roster, how closely do the sums approximate the teams’ actual wins?
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
the correlation is about .83
For FanGraphs WAR.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Which seems low, but you have to remember that WAR is context neutral
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It's actually higher than I expected
but still pretty sad.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
well you want the correlation to be somewhat low
if you wanted a high correlation to wins, you would just use wins. The point of WAR is not to estimate team wins, but to estimate how many wins a player would have been worth on an average team.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
third orden wins are still context neutral
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Seems like, though
that “wins above replacement” ought to correlate strongly with something real. This doesn’t seem much more informative than traditional Pitcher’s Wins.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
It does correlate. .83 is a very high correlation, but the difference is stuff like run sequencing and things like that, which an individual hitter doesn't have an effect on
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Colin Wyers has addressed the one-stop über-stat
over at Hardball Times.
How to measure a player’s value (Part 1)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Actually if you added up pitcher wins, they would have a 1 correlation with team wins
which is why pitcher wins suck for evaluating individual talent.
The point of WAR is gauge how many wins a player would have added if you took his rate statistics and put them in a league average lineup. You can try to correlate that to something, but I’m not sure what.
League WAR = league wins.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
That's a very good answer! So you can't validate it at the team level.
— But damnit, you have to validate it somewhere. It’s not enough to say “the point of WAR is to gauge how many wins” &c. If you’re going to call it “wins”, somewhere along the line there needs to be some sort of validation that it in fact measures wins and isn’t just a Rube Goldberg machine for assigning grades.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Right
My earlier statement was in reference to stuff like OBP and SLG and their correlations with runs scored, which is in the .90s I believe
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Wait, wait ...
I’ve just been told that correlation is meaningless.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Not it's not meaningless
Here are the differences between WAR wins and actual wins:
WAR wins assume league average value for all events, with actual wins the events for each value will vary based on the context (baserunners, score, outs) and they won’t add up to league average.
So you would like to see some correlation, but not too high. A .83 correlation is a .6 R^2 about, so that means the variation in WAR explains 60 percent of the variation in wins. I don’t know exactly what the correct correlation should be, so I can’t tell you if that’s a good correlation or not.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
You'd definitely like to see higher IMO
Better defensive stats(!), better accounting for bullpen effects etc.
Then again on the other side of the ball, hitters’ stats are probably too “accurate” correlating to runs/wins e.g. wOBA treats a rocket shot HR pulled back by the CFer as worse than an Aaron Miles rocket shot in between the pitcher’s mound and SS.
Not afraid to nitpick
Well yeah, because we know WAR isn't accurate
due to defense and stuff, and even positional values (which I have no idea how you would test). So we know the correlation is too low, but we don’t know what it should be.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
But shouldn't most of those in-game contexts pretty much wash across a full season?
On the other hand I can see that WAR’s summing runs created/prevented blurs the correlation because that’s an element of team context that WAR doesn’t appear to address
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
(Going away now to think about this. Thank you.)
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
No way
Teams outperform their “Pythagorean” based on runs scored/allowed by up to like +/- 7 games.
WAR is effectively only going to be “predicting” in any sense runs scored/allowed. That’s probably at least 2/3 (WildAssGuess!) of the error right there.
Not afraid to nitpick
Thank you.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Does anyone understand this tweet by Maury Brown?
I feel sorry for those working, and rooting for, the #Astros. And I’ll leave it at that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because the Astros are terrible?
Or you think it has something to do with Luhnow?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
My first thought was the tweet was addressing how horrible the Astros are.
But I’m wondering if Brown is attempting to comment on Luhnow. I wasn’t sure if anyone here would know whether he was.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think it has to do with the organization's terribleness.
Also, possibly having to work under Crane (?).
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I think it is a couple reasons
Mostly because the team got shipped off the AL West and loses all it’s NL history. Rangers and Angels just both got huge TV contracts so they will be on the short end of the stick out there.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
FOUND OUT WHY
Maury Brown, who has written extensively on the Crane situation for Forbes magazine and his BizofBaseball blog, said the accusations by the E.E.O.C. were "the 800-pound gorilla" in the room when Selig and Crane met last month in Milwaukee after a vote to approve Crane was tabled at an owners meeting in August. "Crane flew to Bud, and Bud got comfortable," Brown said.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Thanks. I figured he was making an inference.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
EEOC? SEC, wasn't it?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the article says his company was being investigation for pattern/practice of sex and race discrimination
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
BAHAHAHA
His spokesman has called the agency’s investigation a "shakedown."
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I'm thinking of the marlins.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Well, shit.
The Continental –
I just returned to Austin, only to discover that there was a CD I missed when attempting to install the drivers for the Wacom graphics tablet.
Despite it warning that it was only good for Windows and Macs, I put it in anyway, and it ran perfectly. It’s now downloading all the necessary drivers.
Seriously?
Moral of the story: if you are compiling from source on no sleep at 1-2 in the morning, put it aside and go to bed (especially if you decide to start messing with the kernel). You aren’t nearly as coherent as you think you are.
Still not a werewolf.
Oh, good deal.
Yes, I’ve gotten better at figuring out when it’s time to walk away from something before I fuck it up.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I totally bought a Wacon tablet for a dollar at Goodwill
It even had the stylus pen and mouse
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Situational lefty I assume?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
No no no
he’s going to get a bulldozer.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I can see why you wouldn't want to encourage Lohse to use a Bulldozer
but KMac seems mentally sound
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I kinda thought Roy could be our new backup LF
Has experience there
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I GET THE REFERENCE VEP
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
He already has one of those.
He’s getting a backhoe and 3 super sweet custom ATVs.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
cuz if we don't, we shouldn't but a ring on it
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
bitch.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
He wants a new one:


The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Poor kid...
dfreese23David Freese
Kid asked me at Whole Foods if I was Adam Wainwright. Said I wish.. rightfully so. Then said are u sure, u look like him. #wishihadthatcurve
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If only Freese could have WS game ending moment like Wainwright
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
wow, kid is confused
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Single game tickets go on sale to the public
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
that was for 2011.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
F'n calendars.
Well, it’ll likely be a similar date this year. All-inclusive tickets are available now.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...
though i’ve always wondered why they wait on single game tickets so long. maximize season/partial/all-inclusive/ticket pack sales?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it's exactly that.
Ticket sales is kind of dicey, actually. They’d prefer to sell Section 145, Row 4, Seat 11 as a season ticket, so they’ll wait and hope it sells. At some point they have to try to sell it another way, eventually falling to single game tickets.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
which is kind of weird since season tickets are discounted.
though i guess the guarantee that it’s going to have an ass in it for 81 games it worth it.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
And they get paid for all of those games waaaaay up front.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
TVM!
actually, that’d be an interesting study that i guess is answered by the fact they do it they way they do. is section 145, row 4, seat 11 more valuable as a season ticket at a discounted rate + TVM or is it more valuable as a higher priced single gamer – TVM benefit – chances it might not sell every game
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
On the topic of calendars, all of my reports at work are effed up,
because some asshat programmer decided that last july is a better parameter than july 2010. I would love to talk to the jackass at adp that designed this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Has anybody seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptc-tinbEfQ
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
sweeeeet!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
I love how MLB was able to poke fun at themselves
I never liked the “million miles away” commercials and thought they were corny. But the rally squirrel version was hilarious.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That was good
I also enjoyed the Hilter rant about the Cubs season that was on the page when I opened the link.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
German-Irish, I presume?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone read Goold's book?
If you have read it, and if there were a comment that said, “Goold’s book” would you rec said comment?
Still not a werewolf.
wat?
I liked his book. I have no idea if this is responsive to your question.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have it, but have not read it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hahahaha
I just accused of being one of those “people that knows baseball”, and it wasn’t in a complimentary tone. That just cracks me up.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions
Knowing stuff is bad for your health.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
What's funny about it is that it was a Cubs fan that said it.
He was lipping off about Pujols, so I smacked him with some facts that he didn’t believe. Of course, he’s also the guy that argued with me about GABP playing like a bandbox. Are all Cubs fans just brain-damaged? Well, I have two nephews that aren’t, they were brainwashed by their grandfather on the other side of the family.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm.
Can’t go with my standard “Baseball is hereditary” line here without insulting your family.
There is something very… wrong about Cubs fans for sure.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
they'd be Cardinal fans if they had grown up around here.
Right now I have to keep my wife and her family from turning our son into a Red Sox fan. Her dad sent a sleeper that looked like a Red Sox uni for Christmas. My wife said I turned three shades of green.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
should've turned three shades of arsonist
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if I do that then I'd lose even worse.
at least this way I’m around him everyday and can maybe deflect it. Her dad loves to stir up shit.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Did you hotline him?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
felt like it
I know the old bastard was chuckling his ass off. I’ll give him a break, his wife’s a fruit loop and his son is a piece of work. So if that gives him a jolly, I can’t really hold it against him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
this would only make sense if they were not a baseball fan
but I have a feeling they are
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I was hoping he would post here
but… Tango wrote me a quick email concerning this topic
The non-linear argument doesn’t hold.
But the playoff-sweetspot argument is fine.Tom
This was in response to the red baron's post today?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
that kinda lost me with the playoff-sweetspot bit
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Reply to this post. Sweep spot (playoff) was the 82 win team adding a few wins vs a 67 win team adding a few wins.
Interesting.
Don’t be a stranger, Tango!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
He has actually commented here before though not in a long time.
http://www.sbnation.com/users/tangotiger
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
yes, so by the rules of sweet spot
some teams should pay for wins exponentially and other teams should pay for wins negative exponentially. and some should pay exactly linearly. so it evens out.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
by the rules of sweet spot
if there are rules, a team that thinks it is on the brink of being good enough for the playoffs should have a higher $/WAR than let’s say a team like the Astros or Athletics. But the problem is even if you think a team is an 82-85 win team it does not mean they will really win that number of games because of the noise in a single season sample size. They could actually win anywhere (realistically) between 74-93 games based on variation. Where this really manifests itself is at the trade deadline when teams have a better idea of how many wins they are on track for, certain teams are more willing to pay more for a player via trade than others. Everything is still linear.
ah. thanks.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is really random...
But anyone know where you can find any cool skill crane machines in St. Louis? Like the kind you put a quarter in and use the claw to try to scoop out a stuffed animal.
Need a cool one for a photoshoot.
Squish.
by Squishmytomato on Jan 4, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There's a Denny's a few miles from downtown that has one
just off the 44, think it was in crestwood. We had breakfast there driving home from the airport with my denny’s-loving dad last month.
I have no idea why I remember that, except that I always feel compelled to play, but never do.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Today's dumb sentiment that I can't stop reading on the internet
To paraphrase, it goes something like this:
LOL THE CUBS ARE GOING TO PAY $16M FOR CHRIS VOLSTADSunk costs: hard to understand.
Yeah...
the fact that they didn’t trade him 2-3 years ago when someone might’ve paid a more significant part of his salary was pretty dumb on Hendry’s part.
Sign Roy O
Well, he did have a NTC
So that, at least partially, sort of forced them to wait until it all went to shit for him in Chicago.
huh, a player with a no trade clause was traded
I thought that was unpossible!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Westbrook should go nuclear on more Gatoraide coolers.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
(I have no idea who was traded from Chicago)
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
He would've waived it...
they suspended him and then sent him to the pen. This is the kind of treatment Westbrook deserves.
Sign Roy O
I'm guessing that that kind of thing is hard to pull off with a productive player
The Players Union would flip the fuck out, and it would be a massive PR problem for the team and likely damage their reputation as employers. At least with Westbrook it would be a case of there just happening to be a much better option available (this is after we sign Oswalt and Rich Harden, of course).
Just finished The Accidental Sportswriter and the three Batman graphic novels I'm getting tomorrow won't last me long
Need a new book or two to get into. Heard good things about the new Stan Musial bio by George Vecsey and October 1964. Anybody read the new Satchel Paige book by Larry Tye? Any others to recommend? Not restricted to sports books, just in general.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions
sounds like some good reads there, read October 1964 and throughly enjoyed it.
Try, The Pitch that Killed by Mike Sowell, about Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in 1920 or 21, also has some good history on the Indians and the “Grey Eagle” Tris Speaker.
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
shift+A
did we sign roy oswalt yet?
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
by IHB on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
What sorcery is this?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
So, if the robot flips out over avatar changes
this could cause an aneurism.
(No, Oswalt not a Cardinal yet)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
oh hell no.
You log out and back in with the proper username.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Excuse me, we already have a poster who's initials are IHB
please get the fudge out.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oops
guys, its me!
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
Mario?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought it would be a simple solution to the fact that i don't really care about brendan ryan anymore
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
you either change that shit completely or you stick with the original.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
what? says who
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
me. UID of 468
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
but there's nothing wrong with your name
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
(Other than cardinals don't have fangs...)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Any more
Now that a certain person who hopes all his fangs still loves him has left
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 5, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
i know! but i get to tell you what to do.
do better. get “iheartcolby” or something.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
but i don't heart colby
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
IT WAS AN EXAMPLE, DAMMIT
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
actually
his name was influenced by pujols, at least I think. so he should change it.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
no the "g" was the start of his last name
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
oh
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I always read it as fang, now I will have to say fangee
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
good job!
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ignore fang.
He’s coming to terms with all the 65+ hour work weeks in his future. He’s a little disoriented right now.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
shush, peon.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the old avatar would not have made any sense
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
i don't believe this.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Art?
Danny!?
WCBW?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
seeya, art
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
dad?
You got back from going to the store for cigarettes 10 years ago?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WHAT THE FUCKITY FUCK
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
simmer down nah
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
...sigh....
this is not going to work
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
It's okay.
I blame the robot.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
he was the one who told me to get a new avatar!
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
More proof it's his fault.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I thought it was a fine idea.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 1:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you were the only one, apparently
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I like it.
Everyone calls you that anyway.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
AHHHHHHHH
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
in retrospect i could have used this name to fake troll myself and that would have been pretty funny
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...no we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." --Albert Einstein
we have not signed roy oswalt
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, that's clever.
I think I missed this.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
PS I think you can lobby the SBNation muckity mucks and get your original account's SN changed
Not afraid to nitpick
Aw, I thought that's what she did.
Would be kind of a shame to let the old account fade away.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
i am surprised. i thought you guys would like the change.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
CHANGE BAD.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i fear change.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
alright i won't change my name
just getting a little sick of it is all
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
just change it completely.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
why. i like IHB
it can stand for whatever you want
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
(do you really want these mooks coming up with what IHB stands for?)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
What, us?
VEB: THOSE CHARGES WERE DISMISSED.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the glove don't fit....
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
talk about opening up a can of worms...
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I Hate Brewers
Insignificantly Hefty Bonus
I Have Bronchitis
I Hate Bronchitis
Immediately Have Burritos
Intermittent Head Blows
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
by BVHeck on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Internet Hammock Buyer
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
There it is
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why wouldn't you just go to Hammock Hut or Hammocks-R-Us, or
Put-Your-Butt-There, or Swing Low, Sweet Chariot….you know what, just go to the Hammock District
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
damnit
winner
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I Have Boobs?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
you should exercise more, then.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Internet Hotcake Brigade?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 5, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
why would you call me that?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Kentucky Fried Chicken is just KFC officially so they can go into China and not have small Asian people wondering what the fuck Kentucky is
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also, people on the coasts don't like the south
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm right here, asshole
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
pop quiz
what’s Kentucky?
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell if I know
Baseball came from there right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Several times
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
On a scale of 1-10, how small and Asian are they?
10 being smallest and Asianest. I’d put it at like a 9-9.5.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say that's about accurate
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
barely, hahaha!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
anagram
keep i heart boog, your name, to remind me my need to but(t) in
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Totally OK with it. Good on you.
But hit up the mods to see if you can just change your old account instead of losing all your old comment history.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
paging bjork/dan!
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
YESSSSSSS
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
That went well.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Jan 5, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i should have known
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
now you can tell people the B is for Berkman
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
You want predicted 2012 standings
I will give them to you…
NL Central (Wins)
1. Cardinals 95.68
2. Reds 87.15
3. Brewers 84.38
4. Cubs 71.26
5. Pirates 70.92
6. Astros 65.14
Here is what that Yankees blog has.
Looks like we all agree on the Cards win totals
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
er wait, nevermind
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Replacement Level Yankees has:
TM W L RS RA Div WC PL Brewers 92 70 700 646 52.5% 14.3% 66.7% Cards 90 72 708 648 36.8% 19.3% 56.2% Reds 84 78 724 704 10.1% 10.8% 20.9% Cubs 74 88 649 727 0.3% 1.1% 1.4% Pirates 70 92 656 758 0.4% - 0.4% Astros 60 102 569 759 0.0% - -
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
OTOH, this projection was run on 12/13
pre-Beltran.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Is that Pre-Beltran
on the RLY blog? 12/13 was their last revision. Mine includes transactions of all teams up to yesterday (No Zambrano trade). I think that has to add a few wins to their total. I think their Brewers number is a little high and no way the Padres are an 81 win team. Of course my numbers have a few quirks here and there too.
Yeah, with Beltran, their project probably comes closeish to yours and VEP's
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
that was also about the time that Braun's suspension was leaked
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
That's pretty screwy
The Cards are projected to have a higher Pythag than the Brewers, but fewer wins. Why would they project that?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
they don't like Matheny as manager
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
CF
If tomorrow I could have my pick of Maybin or Rasmus I would select Maybin. I think he has more upside in relation to his current value.
I think Maybin is still developing offensively and his defense seems better than the Raz.
Lastly, Rasmus is neat but I discredit his value as being of equal or greater value to Maybin based on the bit of dramatics due to Colby’s interloping father…
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
/deadhorsebeaten
I do like Maybin, but I think many around VEB are very interested to see what Rasmus does in ’12
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm more interested in seeing what his dad does.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
you're an asshole
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
That's the rumor I heard.
Imissed the exchange, though. What’d you do?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they got in a really bad blow up
im not sure what it was about, i skipped, know it got personal and mods stepped in
because TLR
eh, no point in bringing out details
you can look at his/her profile and see the last comment made which was in response
yeah i stayed out of it
thought it was kinda dumb to be honest..there was a honest baseball discussion and then two guys started going at it..and then he was no more..
because TLR
no. there was no honest baseball discussion going on that day.
VEB died that day.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
but anyway, what made me think of this
holy shit why do i have so many comments. i wonder how many of them are “wat” or correcting typos or whatever
i think my new year’s resolution is to not reach 50K comments
that's a crappy new years resolution
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
no actually i had two
one was to learn a functional programming language and i don’t remember what the other one was, so i guess it wasn’t important. or maybe it was a cop out like “graduate college”
You'll break that before Opening Day.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
he came back as Uncle Lights
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
heh
no way that was Y2S
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I want Y2S back
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
me too
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
looked him up last night
his last post was a response to you, you monster.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Y2S! he's gone now! you can come out!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
don't worry, he'll make his triumphant return as "Y2S"
and VEB will shit itself
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is something you would not be allowed to try (YWO)
lest we have another clank/chalk situation with you and JWO
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
he'll probably come back round season time, I reckon
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Doesn't he know that I'm not yet finished with the Submachine?
Selfish, Y2S, selfish. Come back!
Still not a werewolf.
we need a Y2S spotlight
he must be summoned
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I always assumed it was to say "unexpected"
But The Spanish Inquisition has logged in and posted recently. Everything is upside down now.
Still not a werewolf.
hmm
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
that would make me sad
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone heard from Cgirl?
I fear she may not be enjoying the Orange Bowl.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hasn't been here in 3 weeks or so
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Saw activity on Twitter...
I think she witnessed the slaughter tonight in person.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
At least Illinois won its Bowl Game!
The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
the bowl system needs redone
if they are staying with bowls, make them in some sort of order..i would have swapped the bowls monday for tonight..bigger teams and games IMO than the one now, there should be build up as u get to title
because TLR
the BCS sucks. the two-team per conference rule is complete garbage.
guess how many teams are in the true top ten that aren’t in the SEC, big 12, or pac 12? ZERO.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
"football"
might as well through the big ten in there too.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
but they could keep the BCS
and make small changes, liek say having OR WI tonight..itd be a simple change have your diluted bowl games early and your better games leading up to NChamp they used to do it that way i thought..
because TLR
Or make the games be on network television again.
I wasn’t able to watch Oregon-Wisconsin.
I LIVE IN OREGON
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
seriously? it wasn't on fox sports nw?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Alabama
has a 44 day layoff between last game and National Title game. That is a long enough stretch to have played 6 games in (one per week). That cannot be good.
i dunno, its football
they are probably hurting a lot.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
They could have played a 7-game series with LSU.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Who the hell is Bryan Lahair?
MLBTR says Epstein is counting on him to start at first for the Cubs.
I first noticed him last year when I went to a Cubs/Cards game late in the year and he was hitting third and looked him up. His minor league numbers were pretty solid and he hit well last year (SSS) in the majors, but then I realized he’s 29!
Is he just a career minor leaguer? Or was he a guy who was an actual prospect at one time but got injured or something?
by mick311 on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
he was a BEAST in baseball mogul 2008
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
damnit the marlins signed zambrano? when did this happen
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
zambrano to marlins, cubs pay the whole contract ($18m)
get Volstadt back in return
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
wow
so….
wow
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Not even gonna properly link this one...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/reds-have-some-interest-in-ross-ankiel-ludwick.html
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
there should be a website where you can enter in the names of two different medications
and see if it is ok to take them together
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Just call a 24 hour pharmacy.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
that is genius.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
of course, now that i pick up the phone to do this, it seems a little sketch
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Agreed.
Although if that existed when I was fourteen “Heroin” + “Drano” probably would have set off a red flag and robbed me of the best twenty minutes of my life. (Followed by the worst two months. Still, though.)
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
obviously you have to tell this story
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Sadly, it was but a joke.
I have lots of unpleasant drug-related stories I could tell, but none that actually involve both drain cleaner and heroin. I feel bad about myself now that I’ve let you down.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
you've let yourself down, rb
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I know.
Sigh. So many late nights, so many disappointments.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
wait what
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yeah, people like to claim that street drugs are cut with all sorts of shit
rat poison and what not. they almost never are, though.
yeah, i mean killing your customers is bad for business
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I did know a guy who used to
cut acid with D-Con. He got taken down in a drive by after some customers found out what he was doing. Ended up in a coma for a couple months then died, if I remember correctly.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know why he would do that
isn’t acid dirt cheap to make as it is? or was he just homicidal?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Quick tip:
never try to ascribe really good logic to serious drug addicts.
And I honestly don’t know how expensive it is to make acid. I’ve only ever bought it and sold a little here and there years ago. Never tried to fabricate the stuff. Did download plans on how to synthesize LSD off of Usenet years ago, but never got around to trying the method out.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
acid is really difficult to make, as i understand
the chemicals needed are strictly controlled and not obtainable in stores.
the only person i know of who allegedly does it
purchases the chemicals under the name of the institution he works for and uses their facilities at great personal risk. not for beginners.
more often, powdered laxatives.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ewwwwww
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yeah, i did see this
it says no interactions exist. i don’t know that i believe that.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i guess we will find out if i'm dead tomorrow
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
You'll be fine.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i tend to get a little paranoid when i travel
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Are you a drug mule?
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
i fear i've said too much
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i just worry that i will be unconscious or slip into a coma or something and no one will find me for days and by then it will be too late
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Heh.
WTF did you take?
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Twelve condoms full of cocaine.
Which makes sense, as I have no idea if latex and cocaine interact badly.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
House told me that condoms are used to smuggle herion
So I assume they are fine for cocaine.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
so I just googled "heroin cocaine condom smuggle"
with purely academic intentions (plus, an impish desire to troll a little bit), and immediately after hitting return, realized that might not be the best idea (being someone who averages 30K frequent flyer miles per year).
ho hum.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
If you have a latex allergy
and a heart defect that could be deadly.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're right.
And those are THE ONLY CIRCUMSTANCES under which swallowing a dozen condoms full of narcotics could have negative consequences.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
on an unrelated note
how bad would it suck to have a latex allergy? especially like 15 years ago
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
It's still rough as shit.
Um, I’ll just leave the rest of my comment off. But it’s still tough to deal with.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
they make nitrile ones.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am allergic to it.
Started causing related food allergies while I was pregnant. It’s called Oral Allergy Syndrome.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
nothing yet!
i got some xanax from a friend to help me sleep, but i have a terrible cough and want to take some robitussin. paranoia is by definition not sane.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
They don't put the good stuff in
Robitussin anymore, do they? You’ll be fine.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
they do. actually i had to show my ID when i bought it
i have never had to do that before
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Whoa.
We used to drink that stuff for fun.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
that's why
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
some robo has codeine and requires a prescription
a good swig should put you out
TLR is gone, long live the king
skip the xanax and get some robitussin PM.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well i'm in a hotel with limited gift shop options
they had nyquil but it was $17.99
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
wait, so being sure if you'll wake up isn't worth
$18?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i bought the robitussen earlier and i wasn't thinking and now the gift shop is closed
yeah, i would love a do over. maybe i’d be asleep by now
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
this is fodder for a crappy eulogy
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
were they both prescribed by the same provider?
Because if there is an interaction, at least we could sue someone. A lawsuit is a fitting tribute.
Seriously, you should be fine.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you at home or staying in a hotel?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
i'm in a hotel, which fuels the paranoia
i’m just going to try to sleep normally and see what happens
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Okay, here's what you do.
Go to the nearest Walgreen’s, buy the cheapest alarm clock you can find. Take it back to the room with you, set it for a few hours after you plan on getting up, then turn the volume up as high as it will go.
If you wake up as planned, just turn the alarm off so you don’t have to listen to it. If something happens to you and you don’t wake up, the enormously loud alarm going off will piss off everyone in neighbouring rooms and the staff will eventually bother you to try and get it turned off. If you don’t answer, they’ll have to enter the room and find you before you’ve lain there in a coma for too very long.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
OOOOOORRRRRRR
Ask for a wake-up call.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
They don't come get you
if you miss a wake-up call, though.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
or.. just call the front desk and ask them to enter the room if you don't answer the phone or the door
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I bet there's some strict protocol for this type of thing.
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, first steal all the money in IHB's purse
then call the paramedics
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I meant to protect the hotel & employees.
What if she booby traps the room?
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by spants on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sounds like a Saw thing to do
first tell the hotel to let someone into the room if the patron doesn’t answer, then boom – horse tranquilizer to the chest.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I would bet there is too.
I have a feeling they would want some kind of waiver at the very least to avoid something unfortunate by bursting into your room while you’re masturbating with a belt around your neck.
Still, I suppose if you’re really concerned about death signing a waiver wouldn’t be too terrible.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
these are all great ideas guys
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Advice is what we do best.
Need to know how to avoid going undiscovered for days in a coma in a hotel? Just ask your imaginary internet friends!
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Jan 5, 2012 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
kids, there's no such thing as safe autoerotic asphyxiation.
Themoreyouknow.jpg
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 5, 2012 2:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
..
I don’t want to go into too much detail but… you choke yourself with a belt around your neck while masturbating dressed up like Batman or something, then you pass out from lack of air and apparently it makes your orgasm super awesome..
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Tjere probably is
I know my dad used to have a book on that
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is an amazing song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PsahByRUU
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Watching Futurama for the first time since truly joining VEB, I can't look and think of Bender the same.
Thanks azru
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by cardinalswsbound on Jan 5, 2012 2:45 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
punto wanted a speech
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Just to troll you guys a bit
I can’t beleive i have to do like 6 hours a week of uni next semester! Why is my life so hard?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Name Suggestions
I need a new name for a new year. This was just a name from other various blogs, mainly racing and doesn’t really fit here. That said, I can’t think of a good one. And yes, I know in 4 years I’ve contributed virtually nothing except for the Despicable Mo ’shops but I still visit most days. Ideas?
despicablemo ain't half bad
already have the avatar..
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 5, 2012 8:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ooooh... just realised you are one of the fabulous March 15, 2008 join date.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
What's up with that date?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you signed up the day before,
you got an UID. The 15th, the new SBN launched, and UID’s ceased to exist.
Not that I’m bitter or anything.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

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