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The Five Best St. Louis Cardinals Players by rWAR (1989-2011)

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Earlier, we looked at the five best St. Louis Cardinals by rWAR from 1959 through 1988. This the follow-up to that post, which covers the time period from 1989 through 2011. This list is inspired by David Schoenfield's post on the ESPN Sweet Spot blog which looked at the five best position players by WAR. Unlike Schoenfield, I have included pitchers and ranked the five best Cardinals by rWAR.

Star-divide

1989-1993: Ozzie Smith, SS (20.6); Bob Tewksbury, SP (11.7); Milt Thompson, OF (9.0); Ray Lankford, OF (8.3); Bernard Gilkey, OF (7.6)

In these, his age 34-38 seasons, Ozzie continued to accrue numbers despite entering the normal decline phase for baseball players generally and middle infielders in particular. 1989 was likely Ozzie's second-best season. His defense was otherworldly according to Total Zone. He posted a 3.1 dWAR (!), which was almost half his value. With a batting line of .273/.335/.361/.696 (97 OPS+), Ozzie accrued 6.3 rWAR that year.

That Milt Thompson is third on this cumulative rWAR list tells us all we need know to about these years in Cardinals history. Rather than focus on Thompson, though, I wanted to mention the emergence of Ray Lankford. Over this time period, Lankford posted a line of .265/.346/.417/.763 (113 OPS+) and totaled 39 homers. In 1991, No. 16/12 led the league in triples and, in 1992, Lankford had the dubious distinction of leading the league in times caught stealing (24) and strikeouts (147). It won't be until the next five-year segment that Lankford emerges as the Lankford we (especially DanUp) remember fondly.

Tewksbury started 118 games over this timespan, totaled 813 IP, and posted a 3.13 ERA which was good for a 118 ERA+. All of this with opposing batters hitting for a .273 average against him. You, like me, are likely wondering how he managed this feat. It's because he barely walked anyone. Well, in 1989, he did (3.00 BB/9), but after that he was exemplary, posting BB/9's of 0.93 in 1990, 1.79 in 1991, and 0.93 in 1992. That's how he held opposing batters to a mere .297 OBP despite their .273 BA.

1994-1998: Ray Lankford, OF (23.6); Brian Jordan, OF (19.6); Mark McGwire, 1B (9.4); Matt Morris, P (7.2); Todd Stottlemyre, SP (6.5)

Lankford's age 27 through 31 seasons were everything you'd expect, a joyous mix of homers, walks, stolen bases, and strikeouts. Lankford posted a slash line of .282/.378/.523/.900 (135 OPS+), hit 127 homers, drew 381 walks, and struck out 632 over these five seasons. Overshadowed by The Great Home Run Race of 1998, Lankford had his best season in 1998. Lankford hit .293 with a .391 OBP and slugged .540. His .932 OPS was good for a 143 OPS+. Throw in roughly average defense and his 5.9 rWAR was a career best.

The Cardinals acquired Mark McGwire in 1997. In 1998, he rewarded them for having done so with one of the greatest seasons in baseball history. McGwire hit for a .299 average and led the league in OBP (.470), SLG (.752), OPS (1.222), OPS+ (216), walks (162), and, of course, home runs (70). That Sammy Sosa won the National League MVP award is a travesty. McGwire's 1998 was worth 7.2 rWAR. McGwire's production was so ridiculous and the Cardinals that preceded and surrounded him (not named Lankford or Jordan) so lackluster that he is ranked third on this cumulative rWAR list for the five season from 1994 through 1998 despite his only having played in St. Louis for one full season and a couple of months. Does anyone know when the Cardinals will install his statue outside of Busch?

1999-2003: Jim Edmonds, OF (27.7); Albert Pujols, IF/OF (23.6); J.D. Drew, OF (18.5); Edgar Renteria, SS (15.5); Mark McGwire, 1B (10.4)

Jim Edmonds did not play for the Cardinals in 1999. Over the four seasons from 2000 through 2003, he put together four of the six best seasons of his career (with the other top seasons coming in 2004 and 2005). Edmonds burst onto the St. Louis scene in 2000 with a 6.8-rWAR season and just kept hitting and fielding. Here are his OPS's over these five seasons: .994 (146 OPS+) in 2000, .974 (149 OPS+) in 2001, .981 (158 OPS+) in 2002, 1.002 (160 OPS+) in 2003. Here are his rWAR totals for the same years: 6.8, 6.4, 7.2 and 7.3. He also won four Gold Gloves that he was mostly deserving of with dWAR totals of 0.1, 0.5, 0.9, and 1.8.

Pujols places second on this list on the strength of three seasons. By now, we all know how ridiculous Pujols's career has been. Here are his OPS's from his first three seasons: 1.013 (157 OPS+), .955 (151 OPS+), and 1.106 (187 OPS+). Here are his rWAR totals: 6.9, 5.8, and 10.9. He won Rookie of the Year honors in 2001, a Silver Slugger, and placed fourth in the MVP voting. Pujols won the Silver Slugger for third base but could have won it for any number of positions as he played the outfield in 78 games for 611.2 innings, third base in 55 games for 431.2 innings, first base in 42 games for 287 innings. In 2002, Pujols's primary positions was left field where he played in 117 games for 870.2 innings but he also played third base for 293 innings in 41 games, first base for 144 innings in 21 games, and shortstop for two innings.

2004-2008: Albert Pujols, 1B (43.8); Jim Edmonds, CF (17.6); Scott Rolen, 3B (17.3); Chris Carpenter, SP (12.9); David Eckstein, SS (8.0)

To witness the MV3 season of 2004 was to live an entire summer constantly pinching oneself to see if it was a dream. It wasn't. Our trio of WARmongers really did lay waste to the National League in historic fashion. The numbers speak for that fireworks-filled season.

Player

Runs

HR

RBI

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

dWAR

oWAR

rWAR

Edmonds

102

38

111

.301

.418

.643

1.061

1.2

7.2

8.4

Rolen

109

34

124

.314

.409

.598

1.007

2.7

6.5

9.2

Pujols

133

46

123

.331

.415

.657

1.072

1.5

7.9

9.4

Chris Carpenter won the Cy Young in 2005. Carpenter threw 241.2 innings that season. While his IP total did not lead the league, his complete game total of seven did. Carpenter's 2.83 ERA was good for a 150 ERA+ and his peripherals were outstanding: 7.93 K/9, 1.90 BB/9, 2.90 FIP, and 2.93 xFIP. Carpenter pitched in only 2004, 2005, and 2006 for the Cardinals, missing the bulk of 2007 and 2008 due to injuries. Nonetheless, Carp still is the four-most valuable Cardinal during this five-year span.

2009-2011: Albert Pujols, 1B (21.7); Chris Carpenter, SP (12.8); Matt Holliday, OF (12.1); Adam Wainwright, SP (11.9); Yadier Molina, C (9.2)

Rather than five seasons, the final block of time is only three. Matt Holliday's rWAR total comes over about two and a half seasons wearing The Birds On The Bat. His line during that time is .314/.394/.543/.937. He has been elite but not Pujolsian. Despite declining production, Pujols is still a ridiculous talent. These last three seasons, his line is .313/.409/.598/1.007.

Adam Wainwright has only pitched in two of the three seasons that make up this cumulative rWAR exercise, yet his two-year 11.9 rWAR total is only 0.9 rWAR behind Carpenter's three-year total. This is a great indicator of just how excellent Wainwright was in 2009 and 2010. During those two seasons, he pitched 463.1 innings with a 2.53 ERA (157 ERA+) while posting a K/9 of 8.3 and BB/9 of only 2.4. His K/BB ratio was 3.48. The Cardinals' 2012 fortunes largely depend on the return of a healthy Wainwright, capable of dominating like he did prior to his elbow injury and corrective surgery.

It will be interesting to see whether Holliday, Carpenter, or Wainwright can surpass Pujols in rWAR by the end of 2013.

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It was either two posts or one gigantic post.

Two posts makes it a little more readable, I think.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

or

you could have saved one for your slot next week. Which i thought you were going to do, but this is awesome anyway.

Bursting into song.
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by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what us lazy people do.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I love SBN on SBN crime.

"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
May every curveball life throws at you be a hanger. \mm/

by ducttape16 on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the way you did this is similar to schoenfield,

but you didn’t overlap the years as he did. his method gives a slightly more detailed history, but i can imagine it would take forever to do, and the way you did it identifies the best players per half-decade, so it is still awesome to read anyway.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Why do you hate bgh

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't.

i just didn’t realise, until reading part 2, that he didn’t overlap the years. so i commented on it.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds exactly like what someone who hated bgh might say

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't even realize this until just now.

I wrote this without re-reading the Sweet Spot post. Whoops.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, please do the other 80%....

Please, please, please? I imagine McGwire will lead one of them.

by hotwater2 on Jan 30, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Also on this busy day

Azru gives us a Q&A with John Vuch over at Future Redbirds.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Looking at McGwire's '98 season

and the voting for MVP that year. Winner, Sosa, with 6.5 b(or ‘r’)WAR, McGwire with 7.2….and Bonds with a 9.3 came in 8th, even tho he only hit 37 HRs that year! Also, Chippy had 7.4, and Olerud had an 8.1!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

That's interesting.

Here are the Fangraphs WAR totals for 1998:

McGwire: 8.8
Bonds: 8.8
Olerud: 8.4
Chipper: 7.4
Sosa: 7.4
Rolen: 7.3
Andruw: 7.3
Brian Jordan: 7.2

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Words I have never thought about saying before today:

I REALLY want that Skip Schumaker baseball card.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 30, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to get it signed by Schumaker.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"Skip, please sign this. Oh, and try not to write over the squirrel."

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Make sure you leave enjough space

for the squirrel’s paw print.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

me too

he’s a squirrel!

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As funny as I think this is, I hope he does

It must be somewhat insulting to not even be in your own baseball card.

by hr on Jan 30, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder why they did this.

I imagine it’s because they have a contract with MLBPA that only allows for baseball cards for MLBPA members or something. This would preclude them from making a Rally Squirrel card, so they made the Skip Schumaker card the Rally Squirrel card.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

the squirrel wants his own union card!

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn

I’m gonna have to actually buy some baseball cards.

by sdrone on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they did focus on the better player

Seriously though, this is hilarious but cruel to Skip

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 30, 2012 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Squirrel Power!!!!!

:=8D

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Jan 30, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't honestly trust Beej to figure out if Skip is kidding or not.
The Cardinals utility man was less than pleased Monday when Topps announced that the famous squirrel that dashed in front of Schumaker while he batted during Game 4 of the Division Series in October would be featured on one of his trading cards.

“It’s pretty ridiculous,” Schumaker told FOXSportsMidwest.com. “I have a shoe on my baseball card. And a squirrel. It’s pretty ridiculous.”
(…)
“It’s not disappointing, it’s just ridiculous,” Schumaker said. "I don’t know how else to explain it other than that. You expect to have some sort of action shot or something but it’s like a mascot card to me.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Skip would prefer a nice shot of himself making a futile dive into first base

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the grounds crew really let the infield go to shit

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta make the best of it

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd love it

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

skip is our very own rally squirrel

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

rally sq has never slid into 1st

and never thrown out trying to steal
never caught in a rundown

bad slugging though

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought failure rates on plasma's were still much higher

and that failures were more often a complete TV failure than a single component failure.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 30, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't find anything confirming nor denying that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My plasma is fine

but it has a glass screen which is a major league glare issue. Other than that, I don’t see much different between it and my LCD. I think Plasma’s refresh rate is a lot higher and I think they can offer true black, while LCD can’t.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

don't know, but i have a Samsung LED that has a much better picture than my LG LCD

but both are great still

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It pollutes the environment...

It weakens our balance of payments position… It props up unfair labor practices in the developing world… It exposes you to radiation and crystal clear images of zits on Colby Rasmus’s neck… It takes up too much space… It is hard to move… It wrecks relationships… It keeps you from going out to the movies… It distracts you from more useful activities like reading and VEB…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think TV's achieved perfection a couple of years ago

The new ones all seem too detailed, they look weirdly 3 dimension.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

"sir, i'd like to return this television on the grounds that it is too good."

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So disappointed that you gloss over Milt Thompson.

Signed,
TBender’s youth

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Also,

Otis Bernard Gilkey!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Innocent until proven

Gilkey

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

mib cameo

fantastic

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

So you understand completely when I write:
That Milt Thompson is third on this cumulative rWAR list tells us all we need know to about these years in Cardinals history.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll not have you sully my memories, good sir!

Ok, they sucked.

That also was the time when I got to see 10-12 games a year because tickets were plentiful.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

me too, even living 120 miles away back then

I went to more games growing up than I do now, and I only live 25 miles from the stadium

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with ya Bender!!!

Seriously, I had his batting stance memorized for my backyard baseball games!!! That alone is worth 2 WAR.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cardinal trivia

When Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs in 2001 he struck out 93 times.
When Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in 1998 he struck out 155 times.
Name the only player in MLB history to hit 50 homers in a season and strike out fewer times than he homered.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

A famous Cardinal

who did it six seasons after being traded away from St Louis

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Lankford!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Big Cat Andres Galaraga!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Bob Horner!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedro Guerrero!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Greg Vaughn!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob Deer !

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Dave Kingman !

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Reynolds!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Howard!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Dunn!

(since we’re no longer doing former Cardinals)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Maurice Jones-Drew!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Jackson!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Jean-Paul Sartre!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Herodotus!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And the award

for most responses to one’s on posts goes to……. IL Rosso!!!!

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams Jenning Bryan!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh, good one.

Walt Whitman!

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Your s is out of place.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

NO HIS IS

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wilt Chamberlain!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maurice Merleau-Ponty?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 30, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

how would you argue that he struck out?

either in a literal or metaphorical sense?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say that his embodiedness is a permanent condition of the

experience, or perception, of striking out.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 30, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, fine.

Preston Wilson!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Lankford never really had a season where he struck out fewer than 100 times

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

(that's the joke.)

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Stan Musial

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. I missed the 50 HR requirement.

Musial struck out fewer times than he homered a couple of times but never homered 50 times in a season.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to believe

but the Man’s highest HR total in one season was 39.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

stan musial struck 8 less times in 22 seasons

than albert pujols has in 11 seasons.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 30, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

TRUE CARDINAL

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 30, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

GREATEST CARDINAL

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Mize

in 1947 as a NY Giant

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There it is

51 HRs
42 Ks

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

what the what? that's amazing.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Pujols had 49/50 in 2006

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

There's one.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Albert Pujols twice had one more strikeout than he had home runs, IIRC.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Six

was his second best differential. As Fritz noted above, he had the one year with a differential of 1

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That must've been in 2004.

For some reason, I thought he did it that season, too, but I was wrong. Still pretty impressive, though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

04 was 46 and 52

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

and Dimaggio had 361 career dingers and 369 career Ks

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

on the flip side

Adam Dunn has 1312 hits, 365 HRs……..and 1809 strikeouts, in 6561 PAs. In other words, he K’s once every 3.63 PAs. DiMaggio struck out once every 20.79 PAs…unbelievable.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The game's attitude toward strikeouts

has sure changed, hasn’t it.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

they called him joltin' joe

they called him the yankee clipper.
these are facts. i am not making them up

something is happening here but you don't know what it is

by Cha-Cha on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

TLR didn't like him.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Branch Rickey

was famous for trading players before their decline

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

because Branch Rickey

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Mize!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 30, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed!

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Jan 30, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That never happened!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

THE HELL IT DIDNT

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Greatest. Photoshop. Ever.

Didn’t happen.

(Heh.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I really wish b-ref had ST numbers.

It’s almost odd that they don’t.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Mentioned here.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So the invitation to re-join the team might still be open...

You thinking what I’m thinking?

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Currently caught up in this part of his bio:

and is in fact a vegetarian.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Steroids are not meat

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 30, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Gosh I loved those guys.

Pinkie was a true genius.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, here on line 12.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

my favorite out-of-nowhere ex-Card

is Troy Percival pitching like a Boss in 07

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 30, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

As a socal guy, I loved that.

Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub

by Cardinals645 on Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

HFS

1995 San Juan Senators of the Puerto Rico winter league…

R. Alomar
C. Baerga
C. Delgado
J. Gonzalez
E. Martinez
R. Sierra
B. Williams

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

good grief.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Called "The Dream Team"

they swept the 1995 Caribbean Series, 6-0, outscoring opponents 49 to 15.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ricky Bones!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened to Ozzie Canseco ?

If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!

by Red Blazer on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Arrested for impersonating a baseball player.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Correction

TWO baseball players.

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Miami Beach PD

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no...

those guys are nothing next to Horatio Caine!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

loved it! thanks!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

LOOGY Update

Trever Miller agrees to a minor-league deal with the Cubs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

became a conflict of interest for inbev.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you mean the song released six years ago?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Tarnishing what was an otherwise good album

it had 99 Problems on it!

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

is this “Encore” or a different song?

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm sure that's your anthem.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

a specific part of that song

almost made it into my sig above Volsn’s quote.

But it was just too perfect

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

"if you're having girl problems i feel bad for you son

i got ninety-nine problems but that’ll never be one".

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

having just moved to Brooklyn, right next to the new basketball

arena, I must say I haaaaate Jay-Z. His face is plastered all over and people will tell you how he cares so much about the Brooklyn, because he mentions it in his songs! or tracks, or raps. I don’t know what they’re called.

(…..and also helped get an arena built there that wiped out lots of historic property and hundreds of homes despite strong public opposition)

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Jan 30, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

strike the "the"

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a 5 years grace period before making such judgements

It still gets pretty heavy rotation on the radio. It isn’t really until now that the full extent of the song’s shittiness can be fully realized.

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything, I mean anything

made by Rush automatically wins for worst song ever. The only competition for them is other songs by Rush.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But they echo with the sounds of salesmen.

Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.

by Eckstreem on Jan 30, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

McArthur Park

would like a word

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

McArthur Park has a solid hold on #4

right behind Convoy

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

party rock anthem is the worst thing ever.

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 30, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I could probably name 50 songs worse than "We Built This City..."

if I listened to country or rap on the radio. Yeah the song sucks, but you cant tell me that some album filler on a Q-Tip or Black Eyed Peas album isnt worse.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you comparing Q-Tip to late Black Eyed Peas?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

they were just what came to mind

put anything in there…Brad Paisley, Daughtry, Nickelback, Toby Keith, Cher, Backstreet Boys, Vanilla Ice…someone in that clusterfuck has a worse song than WBTCORNR.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't part of the problem with "We Built This City..." the artists involved in its making?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

you could say the same thing about Nickelback et al.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

I loved Numb/Encore.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Currently they're on the roller coaster next door at Six Flags.
This is nice, Mr. Ryan sir, but remember down in Houston they had the rides on the field!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There is one "Oz" in Cardinaldom and he is pictured above.

Oswalt’s name is Oswalt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I suggest Oswalt be nicknamed

Tik Tok, the Royal Army of Oz.

It kind of rolls off the tongue.

#givelancechants

by Brian_K on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

I don’t mean to come down hard or sound mean. It just confuses me when people write “Oz” when they mean Oswalt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

how bout this then ... roy

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

it doesn't read hard or mean...

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't really serious

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ron Washington gets contract extension

plans to bat German 3rd, Napoli 7th, Cruz 9th.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

out of a cannon

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

hey-oh!

I just scared everyone in close proximity with my LOLing

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask Ralph Houk

He took the Yankees to the World Series in 1961 through 1963 and was fired. His predecessor, Casey Stengal, took the Yankees to 10 World Series in 12 years and was fired after losing to the Yankees in a World Series they dominated sans Bill Mazerowski.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 30, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Darvish

DH’ing

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

in other terrible culture news, i finally watched red dawn last night.

somehow i never watched it in my youth. i was thinking it would be fun 80’s kitsch.

it was totally unwatchable.

it has no purpose to continue to exist other than a) to document 1980’s cold war paranoia and b) to document what patrick swayze, lea thompson, jennifer grey, and charlie sheen looked like early in their careers.

i was also irrationally disappointed that patrick swayze never anachronistically grabbed jennifer grey and announced that no russian/cuban puts baby in the corner.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Did you go through the whole 90s without TBS?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, actually.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That explains it.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ted turner's favorite movie?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

TBS also loved airing Roadhouse

which is even more rediculous than Red Dawn

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Gymkata!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 30, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A friend of mine gave me that for Christmas this year

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Roadhouse is high art

don’t you dare say otherwise.

by Robth on Jan 30, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

His name...

is Dalton

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

umm

WOLVERINE!

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you aware that there's a remake in the works?

Only this time, the US is being invaded by North Korea!! IT’S TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE!!!!!!

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

North Korea simply does not have the military infrastructure (namely, transport) to invade the U.S.

What’s more, North Korea’s entire defense strategy is centered on making Seol a “ball of fire” if the U.S. ever attacks North Korea. I’m not saying the premise of the original “Red Dawn” is realistic. It is not at all realistic. But, at least theoretically the U.S.S.R. could have shared military hardware with Cuba and Nicaragua.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

certainly, neither scenario is plausible.

mostly, i was making fun of the strategic outline the movie suggested:

cuba, 60 miles from florida, invades via mexico;
nicaragua, 3 nations away, invades via mexico;
the USSR invades across the bering strait from a place where it has no roads and no troops to a place with no roads, thousands of miles from the continental US and requiring hundreds of miles of travel across wilderness.

all this transport of millions of troops over thousands of miles is of course done by surprise.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well....

they did drop paratroopers into the middle of Colorado, of course flying over a few states without being shot down first. Oh yeah, and all of the European nations except for the UK decided to not defend a NATO ally under attack…..totally plausible!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

There already is an Australian version

Where the Chinese invade them, which is… you know, actually very plausible

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 30, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The U.S. remake was originally supposed to feature a Chinese invasion.

The studio changed it to a North Korean invasion for political reasons.

by DeWitt4Torty on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is a much better documentation of Patrick Swayze's early career.

I’ve got Pabst Blue Ribbon on my miiiiind!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 30, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"Don't you ever cry again!"

:=8O

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Jan 30, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's a shit movie

but 14-year-old The Continental thought it was pretty rad. 14-year-old The Continental was kinda dumb, though.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if any of you have ever experienced this before but ...

I just reached behind me and to my left, artfully grabbed the open beverage on the side table beside the bed while z’ing merrily along to this post, then in an attempt to gracefully transfer this beverage to a more natural grip so that i could conveniently take a swig …. it shot from my hand like it flew out of a trebuchet in a split second, ricocheting the glass and contents all over the left side of my head, upper torso, the wall, the remotes, my cell, the hotel clock radio, phone, and the glasses … i’m wearing

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

otherwise banal story rec'd for the use of "trebuchet."

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

elite tarkans are better.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you son-of-a ... back handed ...

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

in my world, "i spilled something all over" is an everyday occurrence, i suppose, so it's kind of a back handed gibe

at myself if you think about it.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i used to knock over stuff on a regular basis, then was informed i have no visual depth perception so i take precautions and do it less often now

was just making fun of myself becuase i felt cool and confident as i was f…ing up until i felt cold and silly

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, in my family, this is called

pulling a “insert isgigra’s real name here”.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Were you involved in the murder of Molly Jensen's boyfriend ?

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Lee is still a FA and not technically retired

at what monetary value would you be ok with Mo giving him a 1 year deal to be our RH bench bat

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

none, really. lee is a .340 wOBA hitter with no defensive flexibility. i am not that worried about our lefthandedness.

whatever he’d add in platoon pinch-hit situations (not much), he’d take away by limiting our defensive depth.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

not interested.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can get him on a minor league deal I'd do it

He’s great depth if Berkman goes down.

Hell, I’d rather have him on the bench than Skip. But lets sign Oswalt first.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He is probably better at 2B,

and better at hitting righties and lefties. And faster.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

signing derrick lee to play 2B

might be the most amazingly brave decision any GM ever made. And it would be fairly low risk. How could you not do that? Worst case, you release him, pay a couple of mil to his bahamas account.

But if it works out? That’s the kind of thing hall of fame Gm resumes are made of.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

how much worse than Schumaker could he be?

"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Jan 31, 2012 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, ok tony

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

the brewers just signed corey patterson.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Just a minor-league deal and Patterson is not even invited to big-league camp as of now.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

right.

but they signed him.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Your comment got my hopes up that it was a guaranteed MLB deal.

I was disappointed to learn that the odds are Patterson won’t be making outs against Cardinals pitching this year.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, yes, well, i suppose that is disappointing.

there isn’t really such a thing as a bad minor league deal, but still, it’s corey patterson.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He's the Koyie Hill of center fielders.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Class F FA

we get a 51st round draft pick!!!! WOOHOOO

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

oh dammit...it was a minor league deal

no draft picks

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

depends on which rules you mean

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

thats completely made up

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

however

if class f free agents were for realz…we still wouldnt not get a pick because he signed a minor league deal

2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 30, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, just checking.

i surely didn’t think class F existed.

M-I-Z-D-G-B

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 30, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Our reward for this signing

is that if Corey Patterson is found wandering lost and confused in a city somewhere, the Brewers are now responsible for sending someone to pick him up and bring him home instead of the Cards.

by Robth on Jan 30, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

are we sure this isn't what happened today?

“Brewers pick up Patterson”

"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Jan 30, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

attanasio should have a stricter "no hitchikers" policy.

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

As is the 51st round

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The Willie McGee round!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Jan 30, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Class Z"

I "z"ip right over it.

by stlfan on Jan 30, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

I know it’s just a minor league deal, but still…

Will people still get mad if I post Corey Patterson’s headshot with a Brewer’s uniform?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 30, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It feels like the right time to link to my favorite CoPa picture.

Bask in its glory!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 30, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I can’t decide if this photo is more “yeah, they stuck me in this locker and won’t let me out. To live is to suffer,” or if it’s more like, “yes, Father… for years I pretended to be a good baseball player.”

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 30, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like to pretend he is in a confessional.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 30, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Lohse

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Jan 30, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

helpful.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

who are you calling "you people"?

to answer your question, not really, due to the fact that i knew it already. but i guess i am, in the sense that if you had asked me before the 2011 season who would lead the team in era, i would not have said lohse. so it is surprising but i am not surprised now by it.

does this make any sense?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ARE YOU NOT MILDLY SURPRISED?

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

darn. i previewed it and everything.

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well done again!

Any way that we could get 2001-2005? (just for grins)

by stlfan on Jan 30, 2012 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

OK, I did it.

Pujols (40.3 fWAR), Edmonds (34.8 fWAR), Rolen (20.5 fWAR), Morris (17.3 fWAR), Renteria (15.6 fWAR) – Drew and Williams also had over 10.

by stlfan on Jan 30, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This is probably dumb, but

should the accumulated WAR of all players in a season add up to more-or-less the same value year over year?

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions  

Gotcha.

Just wasn’t sure if there was something more that I wasn’t taking into account.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The number of wins never varies...

so war shouldn’t, although of course it does.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 30, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

not necessarily. there are always 2430 wins total in a season (well, more or less),

but you could see variation in what constitutes “replacement value,” which would theoretically result in a flattening of how many wins are available above replacement value.

you should see some variation season to season, depending on the gap between replacement value and those above replacement value.

in other words, if a replacement value team would win you 40 games, there’d be more wins above replacement than if a replacement value team woudl win you 50 games. and we do see modest year-to-year variation on what a replacement value team is.

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah if replacement level changes...

then the amount of war would change, but I don’t think it has too much

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

on a league-wide level, yes

but not on a team level.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

not following

i see why WPA would be, on the team level, but War is based on things like FIP and includes park factors and doesn’t account for luck at all, right?

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946

by SleepyCA on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i said not on a team level

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll try to rephrase

WPA, on a team level, sums to zero, because it is based on actual in-game events.

WAR does not sum to zero, on any level, since it is based on {sum of some theoretical, some actual}.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Rams moving???

So who are some the finalists for the purchase of the Dodgers? Here’s a list of who is known (MLB has non-disclosure agreements with all the parties involved. It’s being reported that there are now eight finalists):

A group led by Magic Johnson that includes Stan Kasten
A group led by real estate developer Rick Caruso and former Dodgers and Yankees manager Joe Torre
New York hedge-fund magnate Steven Cohen, who at one point was on the cusp of purchasing a large minority interest in the New York Mets
Former Dodgers owner Peter O’Malley
The family of the late Roy Disney along with Stanley Gold (those thinking that this will become the Angels: Part II, The Walt Disney Company is not involved in bidding for the purchase)
St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke

It’s Kroenke that puts that "intersecting" of sports leagues into focus, also bringing about a bit of déjà vu with the last time the Dodgers were sold.

There’s more at play in this current deal, however—something that could mean the St. Louis Rams would be relocating to LA.

I say "could," as the NFL’s Constitution and By-Laws (read them here) come into play. A clause within a 1997 resolution reads (emphasis added):

That the controlling owner of an NFL club may acquire an interest in a major league baseball, basketball or hockey (“other major sports league”) franchise (subject to prior notice to the Commissioner and to such covenants and safeguards as the Commissioner and Finance Committee may determine are appropriate to address actual or perceived conflicts of interest that may arise in the particular situation), but only if such other franchise is located (1) within the home territory of the owner’s NFL club, or (2) within a neutral area, i.e., any area that is not within the home territory of any NFL club;

In speaking with the NFL about Kroenke’s bid and possible relocation of the Rams, the response was, "We have not been presented anything from Mr. Kroenke relative to the Dodgers. Thus, we are not getting into any speculation."

Which comes back to what happened with Glazer in 2004. While there’s nothing to say Kroenke can’t win the day given the accelerated timeline in the sale of the Dodgers (the owner is to be selected by April 1 and the deal finalized 30 days later), it will be tough. The structure of the deal, along with the NFL’s rules, might not conform to football’s view on a number of levels.

But it’s an interesting situation. One would think that Kroenke would wish to control the land around Dodger Stadium to provide for a new NFL stadium for the Rams (it should be noted that the land around Dodger Stadium is the largest single block of undeveloped land in downtown LA). If McCourt continues to control that land, it’s going to complicate matters further.

So, the Dodgers sale potentially impacting the relocation of the St. Louis Rams, potentially impacts the rules in the NFL and potentially impacts the rules in MLB. It makes for a great conversation that ultimately could fall apart for Kroenke over the convoluted nature of it all. Just ask Malcolm Glazer.

Just win

by The Duke on Jan 30, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

is this baseball prospectus?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

a good point on this situation was presented on the Fast Lane earlier

The MLB owners are kind of like a frat, and usually dont approve deals from potential buyers that don’t have an interest in baseball. Re: Mark Cuban

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised not to see Mark Cuban's name among those listed.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame signing Kyle McClellan.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 30, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

dude's gonna get vilified this season

raked over the coals

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately, none of us are major league GMs,

even though most of us are way overqualified.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

finally, you undertsand

i gotta run though, i have to spend 2.5 million on this rock and 1.5 million on this pile of crap.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Bought a 6er of BL Platinum today

way better than I thought it would be

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

worst fielding outfielders thread

Manny Ramirez

go

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Raul Ibanez

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Manny's career dWAR is -11.8

A guy named Frank Howard in the 50-70s accumulated -10.5. Howard was awful.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i did not realize how atrocious he was last year.

after 2009, his contract looked for a second like it wouldn’t be completely terrible. but then his 2011 ate his 2010, and ruben amaro is still paying bad players way too much.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

adam dunn

brad hawpe

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

only two worse than dunn are ramirez and jermaine dye

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hawpe is -18.9 UZR/150

almost as bad as Manny

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

bernie williams.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Pat Burrell

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Steve Bartman

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually just watched that again before you posted this

it’s hilarious at how much he was really just interested in getting a playoff ball… it’s like he knew they never had a chance

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Marquis Grissom as a CF

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos Lee

Adam Dunn
Brad Hawpe

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee is not that bad

-2.5 UZR/150

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

matt holliday, candian astronaut

link

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

Candyland Astronaut?

Wasn’t aware they had a space program…

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by Cardinals645 on Jan 30, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Young is -56.3 UZR in 6700 innings

wow

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

for example, bad SS Derek Jeter is -6.1 UZR/150

Betancourt is -8.1…

Young is -10.4 UZR/150

someone played the wrong position

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

GOB! That's awful!

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Versatile

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Did y'all know that Betsy Ross got around?

Because man did she get around.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

The men.

To be fair all of her husbands died on her but then she just went around falling in love and marrying all kinds of random people. Like people who stuck their head in her window…her dead husband’s prison buddy…

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly they died at war.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn't surprise me. ben franklin was a real skirtchaser.

i do hope you’ll be teaching these little children the real history of the US.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if we really taught the Civil War I would certainly teach them that the South LOST.

Which is oddly enough not what they think happened here.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

you mean the war of northern aggression?

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that one.

And the South one, even though they received pretty much none of their demands.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's probably not proper English but I don't care.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

so, you'll be teaching english to these children as well?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I typed one twice.

I should really sleep. But Mizzou is on…

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We should've salted the earth like the Rdmans...

so there would be no disputing the result.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

As a "Yankee" who holds a history degree

I very much agree with this. For some of them, its like the war never happened.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Favorite video game offense (Cardinals style)

2001 St. Louis Cardinals

1B Mark McGwire
LF Albert Pujols
CF Jim Edmonds
2B Fernando Vina
RF JD Drew
3B Placido Polanco
SS Edgar Renteria

that lineup allows you to carry dead weight like Mike Matheny.

It angers me sometimes that group of talent didn’t win the World Series that year.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 30, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

So, the Blues

last played a game on Jan. 24th, will not play another one until Feb. 3rd. That’s 10 friggin’ days! Who came up with this schedule?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Someone that hates us

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The same a-hole who scheduled a 1pm

home game in St. Louis on Mardi Gras weekend. We have like the third biggest mardi gras /paradeparty in the states?!?!? Make that a freaking away game.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, but only jokingly

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Define "normal conversation"

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

you know...

you’re hanging out with friends and it becomes necessary to refer to the female breast region…

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 30, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

When discussing "Bosom Buddies."

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

...

I believe it’s derogatory to refer to a woman’s breasts as “boobs”, “jugs”, “winnebagos” or “golden bozos”.. and that you should only refer to them as “hooters”.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Guess none of you recognize this as one of Steve Martin's monologues

from SNL. Love the line “And, people say I’m crazy for believing this, but I believe that robots are stealing my luggage.” Carpenter and azru memes crossing streams; verrrry dangerous.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

I do believe everybody needs that.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Colby Projections

Does Colby have the breakout year, more of the same we saw with Cards (which isn’t horrible) or does he regress?

Just win

by The Duke on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

no way he regresses

can’t get much worse than last year. I believe if he changes his approach like the Cardinals and the Jays have asked him to do, then he’ll have a lot more success.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ZiPS likes him for 105 OPS+

.250/.322/.454 23HR

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, most of the projection systems more or less agree with that as far as I can tell

Low-ish BA, enough walks to give him a decent OBP (this is the new offensive environment after all, a .322 OBP is better than it used to be and I’d imagine it’s right about average) and mid-400s SLG.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how much of a hindrance turf is for those teams.
Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos said the following about Carlos Beltran: “some guys don’t want to play on turf, no matter how much you pay them. Some guys don’t want to DH.”

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

and some guys just hate canada.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946

by SleepyCA on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't Baseball Think Factory have ZiPS all in one place?

All I can find are Dan’s original posts for each team. Meh.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

FanGraphs might have them

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. FanGraphs doesn't list ZiPS per player (not yet at least)

but they’re under the Projections tab team-by-team. OK.

Still odd that there’s no easy way to look at them all at the source.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

they will probably update it soon

have all the ZIPS projectsions come out?

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they're waiting for them all to be out.

He released Indians today. I think he has 6 teams to go.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No

He’ll post a single file with the ZiPS at the end of the team lists, iirc.

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by azruavatar on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeter has the most?

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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

google says yogi berra (10), which sounds right to me.

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I misunderstood "active of not" because it is not a real phrase

I would guess Lonnie Smith has the most with different teams?

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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

that

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

's what i see too. which is kind of odd - you'd think a loogy or someone well-traveled like that would've racked up a

bunch of rings with different teams.

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by tom s. on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

LOOGY is a relatively recent trend, yeah?

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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As is free agency...

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by mysterui on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeter has what, 5 rings?

Him and Mo have 5 each.

I’m trying to think of a current player that has 3.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Players who received WS rings from 3 different teams (many of them did not play in all the WS for which

they got the rings):
Herb Pennock
Stuffy McInnis
Wally Schang
Lonnie Smith
Dave Stewart
Jack Morris
George Burns
Steve Carlton
Jay Johnstone
Mike Lowell
Dolf Lugue
Luis Polonia
Nick Altrock
Lew Burdette

This was a quick and dirty viewing of the page stlfan linked to. I didn’t see anyone win one from more than 3 different franchises.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i am happy for you.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope this is a euphemism.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

so did your mother, last night

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

don't ever let anyone tell you humor should have some element of being subtle.

or clever.

or funny.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Works for 2.5 Men.

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by Cardinals645 on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

ARE YOU NOT SLIGHTLY AMUSED?

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

guys, if not oswalt

why not javier vazquez. dude got his velocity back, was >3 WAR last season and is practically free

by prophetjohn on Jan 30, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, lets do that

let him and westy fight it out in ST.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

from rachel weisz's imdb page
Her part in Eragon (2006) made her one of the first actress [sic] in world history to have a leading role as a dragon.

um okay

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by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Trendsetter.

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by Cardinals645 on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But the latest Bond, Daniel Craig, apparently is

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But the best Bond, Daniel Craig, apparently is.

/fixed

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by azruavatar on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd because it's true.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Beautiful night tonight.

Orion hangs in the sky like celestial pyrotechnics.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

what if instead of those three stars being orion's sword,

they’re actually his

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by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

His what?

Take-out pizza?
Parchment scroll?
Surfboard?
Carry-on luggage?
Stratocaster?
Book of limericks?

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Likely so.

Translated into Russian, probably.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

so who else

was in on the Heb de shaving craze? what blades have you settled on? I’ve been liking the Gillette super platinum dark blues (the Russian, not Indian ones); they’re not the closest shave, but for me they’re by far the most comfortable.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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is "heb de" a typo?

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by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Feather Hi-Stainless for me so far.

I just tried the Gillette Super Platinum this morning. You’re right, not super close, but no burn or nicks either. I have a bunch to try out still.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i love the feathers on first go,

but they get rough on me quick.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

and i had one

HORRIBLE feather shave when i didn’t get a good enough lather. my fault, of course.

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by a fink on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I just use soap in the shower

and my trusty ol’ Gillette Mach 3, which I’ve used for at least 7 years (same handle, not the same blade). Of course, about 7 months out of the year (Oct-Apr) I’m rockin’ a beard and mustache, so all I do is a touch-up on the face and neck every 3 days or so.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I still am not too fond of it

which is one of the reasons why I grow a beard for the cold months. The other main reason is that my wife likes it. But by April, I’m very ready to be rid of it, and almost every time I shave it off, people comment how much younger I look without it, so that’s always nice. Still, even in summer, I don’t shave every day.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Captain Obvious to the rescue

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

much obliged.

i was just trying to say maybe the reason you don’t like shaving is because you use a terrible razor.

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by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I know that was rude

as I said below, I try not to put too much thought into something that only takes a couple of minutes, at most. Bowling, on the other hand, has me worried lately.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

no, i didn't mind.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Game 1 / pitcher 1 - Bowl, shoot pool, throw darts terribly.

Game 2 / pitcher 2 – Bowl, shoot pool, throw darts exceptionally, unbelievably well.
Game 3 / pitcher 3 – Throw bowling ball on pool table and wonder what went wrong.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't drink when I bowl

my league is Wednesday afternoons. Aside from it being too early to drink, I just don’t do a lot of drinking. Ever. Last time I was actually drunk was probably 1979.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't use a safety razor.

The Mach 3 is a terrible shave in comparison.

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by spants on Jan 30, 2012 11:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Meh.

Shaving is not one of my hobbies. Having more time to read VEB, however, is.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's why I'm commenting in it

:/

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife has very definite ideas about my beard

and that I’m not allowed to shave my van dyke.

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by The Continental on Jan 30, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

your three stars?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

your orion

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If she saw my naked, uncovered face all the time

she would just be too turned-on to get anything done.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how Josh's beard looks at 3-5 weeks.

Before that it’s coarse. After that he looks like Yukon Cornelius. So I prefer him clean shaven.

But it took Tiny turning away from him and crying to keep him shaving through winter. Should’ve had a kid years ago!

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

you guys are going to compel me to buy an android phone

so i can get in on the party.

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by il rosso on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

it's a kindle fire!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by a fink on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Oh, wait. You got it working!

Good show.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 31, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

well then.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Woooooo

Paaaarty!!!!

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Ain't no party

like a Droid party.

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by The Continental on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Interesting use of the OE form of dick

and can’t believe you call it “Van”.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

alternatively, there's this thing called a beard

the way it works is, you just don’t worry about shaving a relatively large portion of your face.

by Robth on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

boo beards.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 30, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay this comment!

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by spants on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Josh is using Vincent blades right now.

Damn close shave, especially when he shaves in multiple directions. The blade must be good for him to do that because usually multiple passes makes his skin irritated.

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by spants on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Speaking of razors

That was a close shave, Mizzou…

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

Texas could be pretty damn good in a few years once those guys get a bit more experience under their belt. Still, wouldn’t have been so close without the obnoxiously overcautious approach in the last 3 minutes.

by Robth on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say

after watching Norm Stewart’s approach pre-shot-clock era, I hate overcautiousness. Of course, my family was busy watching something else, so I did not get to see the game tonight, only followed it by refreshing WWL’s ncaabb page.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It was on ESPN3

ie on the interwebs for free. ESPN3.com airs a number of college games. It’s usually a good bet if you want to watch a game that’s not going to be on TV.

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by Cardinals645 on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

My internet provider is not on the list

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there's a list of providers

who can show ESPN and ESPN3, but CenturyLink (formerly Qwest) ain’t one of them. Almost makes me want to switch to cable internet.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Haith was reacting to the foul trouble inside

Fewer possessions=lower odds of an Andrew Jones appearance.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

holy shit

i just saw a totally demeaning directv ad.

not sure why people think that trying to offend a portion of your audience is good advertisement.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

also, this reads like i'm a valley girl.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, fine, fer sure, fer sure

You’re a valley girl, and there is no cure.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They have a series of ads that

are basically explicitly playing on fears where other ads are usually more subtle.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Must be another late-ish feeding for you?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

She's teething.

Just cut her first tooth yesterday. But the one next to it is not quite through the gum. She’s usually not sleeping when I put her down and isn’t sleeping through the night again.

Right after your comment she threw up on me.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

She's getting Tylenol and Motrin.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

poor girl. teething stinks.

the good news is she should be out of her pukey age soon.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

It's weird. She didn't puke for like a month.

Just started again. Fortunately she’s good-natured. Not really fussy. Just won’t sleep.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook

Or Roy Oswalt and Javier Vasquez.

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by hazel on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

rich harden.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Lohse than Vasquez

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

wat

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by mysterui on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

3.39 ERA | 3.67 FIP

3.69 ERA | 3.57 FIP guess they’re about the same

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Vazquez has had the much better career though

And he had a 2.77 xFIP in 09.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

as long as he's not on the yankees he should be ok

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuuck

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Oswalt and Vazquez would be way cheaper also

This is why you don’t sign mediocre pitchers to big contracts.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

screw you, captain morgan. "ball and a biscuit" came on pandora and i involuntarily have your stupid commercial in

my head.

you too, jack white, for selling this song.

what are other currently awful uses of songs in advertisement? i cringe every time i hear the pogues shilling for subaru.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

have you seen colbert's sell-out-off?

it was painful.

also, here are the black keys discussing the concept of “selling out”.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i care a lot less about struggling musicians trying to get their music out there, even through commercials,

or hell just trying to make money. if the black keys had sold mayonnaise in the UK when they had no money, fine.

i don’t understand why jack white in 2011, who surely didn’t need any money, sells his song to captain morgan.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Salt n Pepa's "Push It" in a Hyundai ad.

Bunch of animals in the ad too

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

How is this song almost 26 years old?

How is it still less than half my age??

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I feed young right now.

I remember that song from when I was 6.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Ugh. Feel, not feed.

Stupid autocorrect.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Still true.

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by Cardinals645 on Jan 31, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Just one youngin. Not the young.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

What's a salt n pepa?

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by mysterui on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

A female rap group that I believe has been around longer than you've been alive.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah I'm kidding I know who they are

I watched Grandma’s Boy, after all

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by mysterui on Jan 31, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would anyone watch that?

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

High school Rui thought it was hilarious

I haven’t seen it since

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by mysterui on Jan 31, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

i.e., in the last four years.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

...yes?

I don’t understand you rpoint

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by mysterui on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It was funny!

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

My hair in 5 years.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I preferred that other commercial with that song

I can’t remember what it was for, but a bunch of nerdy white guys in an office were dancing to it because they could afford to waste their time. Cute animals selling “green” products is kinda “meh” to me.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 31, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not selling out if you have your music in a commercial

It’s selling out if you change your music so that it’s more commmercial, so you can make money

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by Notorious PSC on Jan 31, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

i didn't say he sold out (which is so subjective a term that it lacks a fixed meaning).

i just said i’d like to be able to hear his song without involuntarily thinking of something unpleasant and otherwise unrelated. i don’t think that’s unreasonable.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like you have a little Captain in you.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

curse you, spants!

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I paid for it downthread.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree

I just remember Iggy Pop going on a monologue about how people were accusing old punk musicians of selling out by letting their music be in commercials, and how it’s not selling out to want your music to be heard, or to want to make money, its selling out when you change your music to make it more sellable.

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by Notorious PSC on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

GAH. Bills.

Wish

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

OMFG

I’m too tired.

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by spants on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

"lust for life" is one of those songs i'd like to hear without thinking of commercial products, but can't.

so, iggy pop can take his opinion and shove it, then go make a jim jarmusch movie or something. maybe eat and sandwich on the way, because dude needs it.

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by tom s. on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It does get a little annoying

I guess I can push it out of my head enough to concentrate on the song. I love that The Passenger is in the Captain Morgan commercial, because I love the song

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by Notorious PSC on Jan 31, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. No patch for openSUSE yet.

Local exploits like this aren’t quite as big a deal, but still better to be patched against it.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 31, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Good evening VEB, and good posts the first one and this one.

Finally it’s started snowing, and it’s coming down goood, and quasi heavy, maybe I’ll make a hot buttered rum tonight.

by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 31, 2012 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

it is supposed to be warmer tomorrow

but windy as hell

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 31, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm ready for spring

"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

you're lucky you missed last winter in COS ;)

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Painful Fungoes Article

Ill likely be posting this on the next big thread as well. It may be folks have already seen it. But if not, it makes for a fascinating read,

Oh Albert, you were such a wonderful ball player. How did you end up so flawed?
www.fungoes.net

by JWO on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed, but

This almost suggests some level of Barry Bonds neurosis at work. It appears that the money wasn’t enough, and the continuous crush of love and support from fans was insufficient. Albert was looking for something so elusive that he was never going to find it here. BJD and Mozeliak must have found the negotiation side of things maddening.

How can you “make” an employee happy? In Albert’s case, I don’t think it was possible. In retrospect, I’m not sure a 10 year, $300M contract with the key to the Clydesdale stables would have been enough. Albert has great faith in God, and I respect that. But at his core, I don’t think he knows what he wants. Very sad.

by JWO on Jan 31, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You make him happy by

having your owner call him “partner” on a conference call, according to ESPN the magazine.

by sdrone on Jan 31, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

From the quotes brought I would almost say

that Albert needed a team where he would be the only, and ultimate, player, as opposed to the Cardinals where he might end up the greatest , but of many truly great ones.

I fear that Stan’s Christmas wish helped drive Albert away even more.

Of course, in hindsight we could feel the wind blowing this way a year ago, when he turned down the pre-ST offer.

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

New DanUp post is up

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

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