St. Louis Sports Power Rankings, January 2012
"10 (Tie). David Freese and Jose Oquendo
Freese's incredible BABIP streak continues, as he lucked out when that horrible TV show about two men dressing like women that he had filmed a cameo on was canceled after two episodes. Let us all pray his scenes will never be released online.
Actually, let's pray for the opposite of that."
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These are strange and unreal things
With sprinkles of baseball for effect
by Cheeseballs on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've never watched that show, but would watch his episode, which is probably a cameo I assume???
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
The fact that this show got canceled so quickly
gives me hope for the future, mitigated almost completely (but not entirely) by the fact it was ever made in the first place.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
First thought
all of Fritz’s top four are mustachioed. This reveals something, but I’m unsure what
Second thought: Maybe it’s just a bad photo, but Stan Kroenke is giving Derek Holland a run for his money in the “my facial hair is legally recognized as a guilty plea to charges of child molestation” competition.
#1 is flat out fantastic.
Now whenever I see/hear/read-something-from Tony Softli, it will always coming from the Mr. Johnson muppet.
Well done, Mr. Fritz.
...
0_o
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
And rec'd here
because you can’t rec there.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
How?
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You throw enough money at something anything can happen
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No I mean how did they get him in an angels uniform like this
Did he pose? Or is this a photoshop job
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Photoshop, I'm guessing
Otherwise, they paid respected him.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
'shop
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
You missed the joke
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
I got it…
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Photoshop
If this is real, it’s much better than the pre-2011 Berkman photoshopped baseball cards.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you got any linkage?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
What I don't get is why his foot isn't on the base...
and why is there a blurry image of a player behind him? Who is that player behind first base and where is he running to?
Sign Roy O
It's the Royals.
He might be going to the dugout to check which way to run around the bases.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
It's a pickoff throw to first base
The guy behind him is the runner, getting back to first easily. Albert is receiving the throw like that because he knows he has no chance of tagging the runner.
Seems odd the runner is so blurry when he's not very far in the background
I suppose they increase the blur so as to not disrespect Pujols…
Sign Roy O
look at some of the paint jobs Topps did to their cards in the 60s
its laughable
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
that's so wrong
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
ew.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I see they Atleast took enough time to shop a photo of him in Kaufman
So he’s in an AL park
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
flagged
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
How many players did the Cards call up in September?
Chambers, Greene, an extra catcher…?
I found this quote from Melvin interesting and doesn’t really jibe with my recollection:
“I believe the Cardinals won the World Series because of the expanded rosters in September,” Brewers GM Doug Melvin said. “Tony La Russa is the best in the game at using his roster, especially with an expanded roster in September. In September, they had a ton of players that he could use.”
as you know, only the cardinals were allowed to use the 40 man roster.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Selig strikes again!
wait, what?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Well my reaction is not only to that but the suggestion that we had "a ton of players" available
It seems to me that in most years the Cards don’t call up that many players.
Also I guess I should point out that I took the quote from an article on ESPN.com
Suggesting changes to the game including stopping the use of expanded rosters or limiting the roster to 25 players for any given game.
Melvin is just wrong...
The Cardinals used 18 position players in September and players 14-18 totaled 33 plate appearances (CoPa 12, Sugarshane 8, Adron 8, Cruz 3, Greene 2). They went 6 for 33.
They used 15 pitchers. Pitcher #15 and #14 appeared in one game each and pitched one inning each(Sanchez and Cleto). Pitcher #13 appeared in two games and pitched 4.1 innings (Dickson).
Sign Roy O
Dusty Baker also testifies to La Russa's uncanny ability to predict the weather.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 24, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I (along with many Brewers fans) am so sick of Doug Melvin complaining about expanded rosters
He does this every year. It makes no sense whatsoever.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
it seems it should be welcomed. it gives everyone flexibility.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Exactly
I honestly don’t even understand what his point is, and I’ve heard it a half-dozen times.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
not the Brewers.
I think they traded away all of their minor leaguers.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
All except the cool names
All we have left are Zelous Wheeler, Stosh Wawrzasek, Maverick Lasker, and Scooter Gennett. Hoping to trade for Stolmy Pimentel.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
those are real names that actually exist?
zelous wheeler is the best thing ever.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i love when names are adjective combos
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
The Cards did pick up
Shooter Hunt in the rule 5 draft.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not only does he exist
But he’s also an awesomely rotund utility infielder.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also- Kind of looks like a manatee.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is my new favorite player in the Brewers system
Also as noted above he does look like a manatee, the clever charicature makes it even more amusing/awesome
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tyler Greene makes championships happen!!!
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
I believe the cardinals won the world series because
They scored more runs than the rangers in four separate games.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hah, that's what you think spreadsheet boy
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Then Mo retorted
"I believe the Brewers won the National League Central because of Ryan Braun’s elevated testosterone levels in September," Cardinals GM John Mozeliak said. "It was difficult for us to catch a Brewers team that featured a player with higher levels than the combined levels of our entire team. Luckily, the Wild Card existed and Larry Jones’ high levels of estrogen put the Braves in a vulnerable position."
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 24, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Now why you gotta say bad things about Chippah?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Can St. Louis support two baseball teams?
St. Louis Dodgers is going to take a little getting used to.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Where does it say they're exploring the possibility to move the dodgers to St. Louis?
that doesn’t even make any sense.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
Yeah, wouldn't it be more likely he'll move to L.A. and relocate the Rams there?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Not that either of these things are really likely.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Well, one is significantly more likely than the other.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure that's what tackle box was suggesting.
by clever inversion of perceived probability, his comment becomes amusing and humorous.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Ding-dang-ole-broken-sarcasm-detector
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was being hilariously academic in my analysis.
i have no clue what he really meant.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think you might have been fairly accurate with your analysis
even though, I don’t know what half the words all put together like that actually mean.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
We used to have two baseball teams, so technically yes
But realistically on a financial level . . .
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Every once in awhile I hear the
“New York should get a third baseball team” argument. Would enough Yankees and Mets fans jump ship to make that plausible? I doubt it. The same goes with the “Chicago could support a second NFL team” theory.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think the whole 2nd NFL team in Chicago
was all the creation of ex-Mayor Richard Daley who was lobbying hard to land the Summer Olympics for Chicago. He had to have a good reason to build another big ass stadium downtown and I believe the only logical explanation he could come up with was that Chicago should (and could totally support) another NFL franchise to fill this new proposed stadium.
it was a dumb idea.
This city is entrenched in the Bears. And those that aren’t are in it for the Packers.
There’s no way in hell any fan was ever going to migrate from either of those teams to some new team just because. Way too much history.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
that was what I always thought about that idea too
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 26, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
damn, with all this effusive praise,
i really wish i had been following mike fast’s work earlier.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
30 Rock is getting essentially the same ratings in the 7:00 time slot.
NBC really screwed this up. They should have been giving us Community, Parks & Rec, The Office, and 30 Rock—in that order—since the fall.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like all those shows except 30 Rock.
It has its moments, but it’s just not as good as Parks, The Office, and Community.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
I think it goes
Parks and Rec=Community>30 Rock>The Office>Tebow
Both 30 Rock and The Office have fallen far from where they once stood, as in their prime they were equal to the level which Community and Parks and Rec currently inhabit.
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
San Francisco Chronic
le reports that Timmy Lincecum gets $18 in 2012 and $22 in 2013, plus $500K signing bonus.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions
"San Francisco Chronic" sounds contagious
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nice
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Brown is tweeting that the Tigers are near a 9 year deal with Fielder
Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.
https://twitter.com/#!/TBrownYahoo/status/161899325453119488
what
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
and what about VMart next year?
He can’t catch, and even there they have Avila, who can rake
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
And yet it's real.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Cabrera and VMart are both signed through 2014.
WTF?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
there's got to be a corresponding move or something...
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
but where does he play?
WHO CARES DO IT ANYWAY
/tigerslogic
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
he's probably never heard of second designated hitter.
/hobbit logic
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Which is positioned right before second starter in the 8 hole...
/tlrhobbitlogic
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
VMart is out for the year with a knee injury.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
if he misses the entire season
his rehab team sucks
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
haha, in this whole shenanigans,
i discovered jon heyman is blocking me. guess i was antagonistic too many times.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he said he found colbert "stupid" or something a couple weeks back,
so i retweeted it and added “blocked and reported for spam”, jokingly. i guess he took me seriously and did the same to me.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I always thought he was a moran
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
He is
I don’t even know
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
i kept saying earlier prince is going to get an absurd contract
but yeah after the last month i didn’t think it would be this big… wow
Did the new CBA include the ability to have multiple DHs in the lineup at once?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Little Caesars must be selling the shit out of $5 pizzas
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BlessYouBoys blow-up in 3, 2, 1 ...
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
the good news, prince, is that we got you $214m.
The bad news is that you will have to go to detroit at least 81 times a year for the next 9 years.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cabrera to the OF?
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
DH this year, OF next? 3B?
They tried him at 3B. He’s awful and fat. What are they going to do?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I recall that he wasn't very good at it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
remember when Miggy started the all star game at 3B
and Rolen sat the bench, and Miggy was really bad in the field…yeah. And that was what 6 years ago?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
my god.
next year, you have VMart-Prince-Cabrera in some order.
that’s gross.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
well, they have the best pitcher in the game
two decent arms in Scherzer and Porcello, and, well, Doug Fister.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
was being sarcastic, but yes, they do have good pitching as well.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
detroit pitching coach: "now, we have prince fielder
At first, and miguel cabrera at third. What I need you to do is bump up your strikeouts to . . . Maybe 20 per game. Think you can do that?"
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Um....
“Skip, we’re playing Detroit tonight. What’s the game plan?”
“Bunting. Lots of bunting.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
alex avila is tasked with covering both lines all
The way up to the infield dirt on bunts.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Justin Verlander says
No problem
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
so they have vmart, fielder, and cabrera.
i don’t see how they play all three of them at once. put vmart at catcher full time? move cabrera back to third?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
no way VMart plays catcher full time at age 34 coming off a severe knee injury
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
I'd say no way he plays catcher at all.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i mean, yeah, i know.
so how do you get all three of these guys on the field at once?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I mean they have to have told Miggy to lose those 30 pounds back over the next year right?
Not afraid to nitpick
so they put him back at third, i guess.
have vmart and prince alternate at dh and first?
i guess it’s a nice problem to have.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think VMart will miss most or all of 2012
due to a torn ACL
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
In order to be a useful player...
Martinez can’t lose much or any of his bat. As a 34 year old coming off major knee surgery they probably figured this was a non-problem because Martinez is not likely to ever give them much value anyway.
Sign Roy O
OK
The Tigers do have plenty of time to figure it out though.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone can play corner outfield.
(We love you, Lance)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
The real issue is Alex Avila
Putting V-Mart back at catcher would be fine except that they have one of the best young catchers in baseball, if not the best.
His value will be awful coming off missing an entire year
And trading Avila seems stupid. What are the Tigers doing? This is crazypants.
It's a crazy contract...
but not because of Martinez. Once he blew his knee, he essentially stopped having any value at all. He was a 3 win DH last year. In 2013 there’s probably a 1/3 chance he will be replacement level or won’t be a baseball player, 1/3 chance he’ll be something like a league average hitter or below average, and 1/3 he’ll get back to a 120 OPS+ which is about a 2 win DH. They probably proceeded as if Victor Martinez did not exist.
Sign Roy O
Tony calls his pal Leyland and tells him to play Cabrera at 2nd
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is actually a good idea
it will virtually be impossible to hit it through the right side of the infield with Cabrera and Fielder blocking it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
bloopers to short right field
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck it. If Carlos Lee can play LF to the tune of a +18 UZR/150, then anyone can.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Tigers Stadium LF > MMP LF
Plus, Delmon Young is under contract for 2012.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Twas joke.
In any event, I don’t see much of a problem for Det. Prince and Miggy play 1B and DH this year while VMart is out. Delmon or whoever can play LF. ( So there’s no problem for 2012)
That leaves VMart with a 2yr/25MM contract for 2013-14 (or something like that). He can play some C/DH/1B and maybe LF or Miggy could play LF in 2013 or maybe even some 3B (probably LF though). They’ve got over a year to figure it out and they can always trade VMart too. Is it ideal? Not really, but hardly crippling for a team with money.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a wizard at reading defensive stats
But Delmon has a negative UZR every year since 2006. Might be scenarios where Miggy in LF and Delmon DH make sense?
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Never believe anything ever.
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
A quote from Dave Dombrowski on Prince just 5 days ago: “He doesn’t fit for us. He’s looking for a long-term deal & that just doesn’t fit.”
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions
Would Boras have gotten Pujols
One. Billion. Dollars?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions
Nope.
Just more respect.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Seriously
Boras would absolutely be my agent, I don’t know how you go with anyone else.
Not afraid to nitpick
I don’t know how you go with anyone else.
maybe if you care about things other than money, like respect?
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Respect and commitment are paid this way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
personally
i am rather indifferent between 214 million dollars over 9 years and, like, 100 million dollars over 9 years. i know that’s just me, but i’m just pointing out a reason one might go with someone other than Scott Boras.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
Well technically
It’s more like 9 years and 50M vs. 9 years 107M once you take into account taxes, agent fees, financial advisor people and whatnot.
Not afraid to nitpick
Prince Fielder will make $65144.60/day for the next 9 years.
Prince Fielder will make $65144.60/day for the next 9 years.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I doubt that accounts for the leap years involved
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention that by 2020 fielder will be large enough
to actually create significant relativistic time distortions in his immediate neighborhood
that's 23.7/year vs 12.2/year.
i’d like the extra 13 million. i don’t know what i’d do with it but at that point i’d probably just be writing pretty big checks to the bill & melinda gates foundation.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Agents handle a lot of stuff beyond contract negotiations...
if you were an athlete you’d have to sit down with the various firms that wanted to represent you and look at their track record of managing their client’s image, getting sponsorships, and all the other stuff they do.
There’s no question Boras is the best at negotiating these contracts.
Sign Roy O
I don't buy this at all, not even a little
i am rather indifferent between 214 million dollars over 9 years and, like, 100 million dollars over 9 years
RIGHT NOW you don’t see a difference between those numbers, because both would lead to essentially the same type and scope of radical departure from your current lifestyle. And I get that — from where I’m sitting, those numbers both seem just equally ridiculous and absurd as well. But I seriously, seriously doubt that when you’re actually a baseball player faced with the choice between the two that you would feel “rather indifferent.”
right...
and these guys are immersed in a community of people who very much see the difference between 10M, 50M and 200M.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, I don't get why so many people fail to see this
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
well i definitely wouldn't care about an extra 10 million a year
I would just choose to go to my favorite team, even for a huge discount.
This is also operating in the same universe where I am not a baseball player. If I were a mega-talented player, I would likely have a different set of values.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's my whole point, though
It’s not that hard to make the logical leap from what “I a normal person” would do to what a star athlete is already a multi-millionaire would be thinking. Or at least that is how it seems to me.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
What I'm saying
is that its likely those who are star athletes have a different set of values – those values coming before the stardom – than I do. Also, probably a lot of it is conditioning. So we agree.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
You can like it
but you have to act like you don’t see it.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Seriously imagine if Boras was his agent and had maneuvered Pujols to the open market about
3 or 4 years ago.
Would something like 12/400-420ish be out of the question?
Tigers fans don't know how this would work either.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions
It's just one year...
of Cabrera, VMart, and Fielder. Martinez can be traded or one of VMart/Cabrera can play the OF.
Sign Roy O
i BELIEVE VMart has a no-trade
but don’t quote me on that, trying to figure it out now
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
It's on BPro now
They don’t list a NTC for VMart. But then, they didn’t list one for Westbrook either.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Now for something completely different:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Cool news: La Russa to manage National League All-Stars, according to #MLB.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
fucking awesome
i hope he does ridiculous shit, like putting a pitcher in the outfield for a batter and then putting him back in.
mumble mumble Peter Bourjos mumble mumble
by tehzachatak on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But, but
this time it counts!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Having his bat checked for corking.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
demand to see his birth certificate
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
check the amount of pine tar on his bat
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
to rule them all...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
If Yadi is voted the starter
does Tony make him catch the whole game?
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I hope TLR really out TLR's himself
Make the entire thing really ridiculous
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
That is absolutely fantastic
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is great
Matheny avoids a major distraction in his first year of managing and TLR gets back in the spotlight for a well-deserved curtain call.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
the angels were the mystery team.
their involvement was unknown until the night before pujols signed the deal.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
and for that matter
Mo made it seem like he didn’t even think they were negotiating until he got a call that morning saying a deal had been reached.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what sub-ground-level floors at tiger's stadium have to do with anything.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap! Didn't see that coming
I would have figured Detroit would have been low on his list just because now he’s probably going to have to deal with more crap about and comparisons to his dad. But maybe that won’t really be a big deal (or maybe $214 million is enough to make him not mind).
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
I think he said he wanted to hit 50+ HR more times than his dad did, since Cecil did it just once.
I don’t think it’s going to happen.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
He should accept the sabermetric approach to player valuation...
and declare victory now.
Sign Roy O
Fielder doesn't even speak to his father
and I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I will probably never speak to cecil fielder.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, but I think he still occasionally gets comments/questions about him,
which he really doesn’t like, unless he’s somehow managed to put a stop to that. I’d imagine it will be a more frequent topic with him playing for the team where his dad spent the majority of his career. But maybe that doesn’t happen much anymore.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
What's the backstory there?
I am unaware.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
The basic gist of it that I'm aware of is that Cecil was really bad with his own money after he
was done in baseball, and at some point he started trying to get money from Prince in compensation for his perceived contributions to Prince’s baseball career. The money arguments just kind of spiraled out of control, with Cecil at some point saying he was the reason Prince even had a career, and Prince has said that one of his major motivations in baseball is to outshine his father and prove him wrong about that.
I’m not sure how much (if any) more there is to it than that.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say Prince...
Comerica is 365 ft to the RF power alley and only 330 down the line. It’s much harder to hit HRs there as a right handed hitter.
Fielder will hit 180 in the four years.
Sign Roy O
I'll go Cecil.
35, 35, 35, 30, 30, 25, 20, 20, 15 leaves him at 245, and it seems fairly optimistic to me with that body, and no injuries. It’s fairly close though.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I feel even better about this after reading this
Jeff Sullivan
@LookoutLanding
StatCorner lefty home run park factors — Milwaukee: 118, Detroit: 88
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Did Prince know this or think Beast mode works as well in all parks?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Beast Mode works anywhere as long as you fill up the Beast meter
and push left right triangle square triangle
Everyone knows this.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Now all I can think about is Altered Beast
“WISE FWOM YO GWAVE”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
2 years ago
the National League 1Bmen were:
Albert Pujols
Prince Fielder
Joey Votto
James Loney
Ryan Howard (injury)
Adam Dunn
Adrian Gonzalez
Lance Berkman
Derrek Lee
Adam LaRoche
Which at the time was a pretty stacked group of players. Now, not so much.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions
i love being in the national league
AL has the yankees, red sox, rangers, angels, tigers, rays
NL has the phillies, cardinals, ….
reds, dodgers, braves
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
i think the dodgers are underrated
and you’re probably right, i was just making the point that the NL is going to be more hotly contested than just the phillies and cardinals.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
unless you are suggesting that the dodgers
Are widely considered likely to win 65 game but may win 70, I strenuously disagree with the notion the dodgers are underrated. Do they have anyone in the infield with a .300 obp yet?
Look, they’re basically kemp, billingsley, and kershaw, a couple role players like capuano and ethier, and a bunch of dreck.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not to mention that pretty much no one in LA cares about the dodgers anymore.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
really, strenuously object disagree
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
are you suggesting the dodgers are stiff competition?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha ha
You said stiff!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly his point
those are 80-90 win teams at best.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
LOL TIGERS
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions
true or false?
i’m 21 years old. i plan on living for about 60 more years. there will be a billion dollar sports contract before i die
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions
Definitely
In 60 years, even a 5% discount rate puts a billion at $50 million today.
Not afraid to nitpick
Definitely true
An annual salary of 25,000,000 in 2012 growing at a 5% inflationary rate will be nearly 445M in 2071. That is for one year. The world will see a billion $ multi-year contract long before fang turns 81. The better question might be guesstimating fang’s life expectancy.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
probably around 70
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
...
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Who plays 1B in Detroit? Baseball Info Solutions rated Prince the 6th worst regular 1B in baseball last year — & Cabrera the 4th worst.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions
Get a google news alert for "television contract"
then you’ll know where the mystery teams are.
Sign Roy O
$64million gets you
Fielder, Cabrera, and Verlander.
For another $13million you can add a Martinez.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
@MLB tweeting it now
looking pretty official.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions
Oh man. I was hoping he'd stay in the NL, though the AL obviously makes more sense. Damn.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
yeah what the hell finker?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I love watching him hit. He's probably my favorite player, non-Cardinal division.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Former Vegetarians UNITE!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
DAYUM
The tigers are gonna be pretty good next year…
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
Awesome
Pause it at :52 mark if you’re into some good ole’ fashioned masochism.
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions
I like how Freese is all over that video.
Like he’s one of the top 10 players in the game.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Loved how they included him hitting a HR against the Rangers too.
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Prince is getting a jump on Spring Training with his new team
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions
he is repping so many teams i dislike
it hurts my retinas to look at this
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also, he looks like that kid from hook
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
Dude, he IS that kid from Hook.
You didn’t know?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is that Alan Trammell in the background ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and he's realizing that after that game
there will be no post game spread.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
if he was this big as a child
think of how big he’ll be in years 8 and 9 of this contract
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I didn't need to see that picture to imagine how big he might be or broke down his knees/ankles may be at at that time
He’s been pretty damn big at the professional/adult age long enough to show that his size is not a SSS
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
While completely obvlivious to the Fielder signing,
I wrote a new main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
totally cracked up at the bubble comment
rofl
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions
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